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"Doesn't meet modern requirements": American magazine criticized the F-15EX fighter

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The American magazine The National Interest criticized the US Air Force for purchasing the latest F-15EX Advanced Eagle fighters, calling its creation "the biggest mistake."


According to the author of the article published in the magazine, the F-15EX fighter does not meet modern requirements and will not be able to provide the military superiority of the US Air Force. The main drawback of the fighter is the lack of stealth technology, which, in turn, makes the aircraft vulnerable not only to modern anti-aircraft systems in Russia and China, but also to the outdated ones used by the DPRK.

(...) the fighter is unable to withstand arms class "surface-to-air" and "air-to-air" powers such as Russia and China. The spread of the formidable Russian anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) S-400 around the world and the further debut of the S-500 only complicate the F-15EX's flights. Crews will be at serious risk

- declares the author.

The F-15EX's ability to carry up to 22 air-to-air missiles will also not help the fighter in modern combat, the magazine writes, as due to the lack of stealth technology, the plane will simply be shot down.

It doesn't matter how many missiles a fighter can carry if it can't live up to the opportunity to use them

- stresses the columnist NI, adding that the Pentagon spends huge sums on obsolete aircraft, instead of investing in modern fighters.

Recall that the first heavy fighter, the F-15EX Advanced Eagle, entered service with the US Air Force on March 12, a total of 144 new aircraft have been ordered, and serial deliveries will begin in the 2023 fiscal year.

It differs from previous versions of the F-15EX with modern avionics based on the concept of a "digital highway" and the architecture of Open Mission Systems (OMS), including the Raytheon AN / APG-82 series radar with AFAR. The F-15EX is said to be capable of carrying up to 22 air-to-air guided missiles or "hypersonic weapons up to 22 feet long and weighing up to 7000 pounds."
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  1. Alien From
    Alien From April 2 2021 11: 31
    +9
    Did they not send a share to the author or what?
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins April 2 2021 11: 35
      +2
      An interesting presentation of the material.
      When NI criticizes or doubts our (Chinese, Indian ...) technology, the material is accompanied by an "addition" from the author, so that the couch patriots have something to break away from. And when an American criticizes American technology in an American publication, it's nothing like that ... Silently, objectively ..
      1. figwam
        figwam April 2 2021 13: 25
        +2
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        then the material is accompanied by an "addition" from the author, so that couch patriots

        And the couch not patriots hurt?
      2. Simon schempp
        Simon schempp April 2 2021 13: 28
        0
        And when an American criticizes American technology in an American publication, nothing is wrong ...

        Well, at least it's better than taking a couple of comments from readers of this publication, writing an article based on these comments, and inserting one of the comments into the title of the article. It turns out something like: "In Poland, they called American planes rubbish.", Or "In Japan, Putin is considered the best president in the world," or "Turkey has threatened to close the Injerlik base for NATO aviation."

        This is really objectivity))
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan April 2 2021 13: 46
      +6
      Did they not send a share to the author or what?


      They just sent Martin from Lockhead to promote the F-35 more actively, otherwise the program may be curtailed)).

      And since the F-15 is not bad, as I understand it, it will be used, as it were, on the second line to cover the F-35 working on the first and breaking into enemy air defenses.

      F-15s in a network-centric war will transmit data from their radars to the F-35 and cover them from enemy attacks, shooting down enemy missiles and aircraft (this is precisely why they place them as many as 22 pieces on each).

      And the F-35 is assigned the role of a quiet and inconspicuous killer, which will be used as a carrier of high-precision weapons to the place of its release, while it will have to work without using its own radar, which can betray its presence.

      The circuit is very real and efficient. Especially considering that the United States has an advantage in the number of aircraft.

      The F-15 will conduct reconnaissance and transmit data to the F-35 being at a long distance from air defense objects, which excludes their defeat by anti-aircraft missiles, and the F-35 will knock out air defense objects and abruptly go under the protection of the F-15, and then to its airfield for replenishment B / C. And so wave after wave.

      From anti-aircraft fire, the F-15 covers the range, the F-35 is of low visibility, and the numerical superiority of its fighters from fighter aviation.

      We need more aircraft, both fighters and AWACS aircraft, like the Yak-44, in order to detect both the F-15 and the F-35 and aim long-range missiles at them.

      Otherwise, they will slowly but systematically grind us with their fighter-bombers.
      1. zwlad
        zwlad April 2 2021 14: 00
        0
        After the first wave, they will have nowhere to return, well, if I understand correctly our concept of repelling an enemy strike.
      2. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell April 3 2021 01: 07
        +2
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        Did they not send a share to the author or what?

        Just sent from Lockhead Martin to actively promote the F-35 ...
        This is you in the "top ten", I think that is exactly what you are.
        Otherwise, your reasoning is also logical, just the opposite: the F-35 is taking advantage of its capabilities in front, and behind "Truck with weapons" ready to dump it using the information received penguin, network centric databases however. There is something to think about
  2. Pereira
    Pereira April 2 2021 11: 35
    +1
    How should it be done correctly? The author wrote? What should have been bought?
    1. dzvero
      dzvero April 2 2021 12: 31
      +2
      What should have been bought?

      And there is nothing to buy. The F-22 has been out of production for almost ten years, the F-35 ... keep quiet ... F / A-18 - the Air Force didn't like something, the F-16 is not quite right for such purposes. It turns out that the only solution is to upgrade the F-15, using the advantages and putting on the disadvantages of the machine.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft April 2 2021 13: 22
        +2
        Quote: dzvero
        F / A-18 - The Air Force didn't like something,

        So it (like F / A - fighter-attack aircraft) was originally made for the carrier-based aircraft of the US Navy, and it is in service with the Canadian Air Force ....
        the only solution is to modernize the F-15, using the pros and putting on the disadvantages of the machine

        Well, not everyone is ready to endlessly modernize an un-modernized one and then call it an aircraft 4 ++
        And then, in your opinion, many countries buy the F-35 in vain ...
        1. dzvero
          dzvero April 2 2021 13: 31
          0
          And then, in your opinion, many countries buy the F-35 in vain ...

          What other options are there? F-16 and F18, but they are not "super-duper", do not fit into the "new look". In the same category, the French with Rafal, the Swedes with the flu ... and that's it. China and the Russian Federation are also on the market, but "not only everything, few people can afford it" - sanctions, sir.
          1. ironic
            ironic April 2 2021 14: 26
            -2
            And how are the F-16s and F-18s sideways to the ticket office of the F-15s? Eurofighter, by the way, you can say yes.
      2. ironic
        ironic April 2 2021 14: 24
        -2
        Why be silent about the F-35 then? And the version is practically combat-ready and its production is, in principle, established. It's just that the queue for her is already really big. And the F-15 is never an alternative to it, as well as vice versa. The F-16 does not have any serious orders and its further production is generally in question, and again it is in the F-35 class, not the F-15. F-15EX is a replacement for the F-15C / D and a partial relief on the E, as long as no other alternative is produced.
    2. ironic
      ironic April 2 2021 12: 59
      -2
      The fact of the matter is that now there is nothing, therefore, a temporary patch for 200 units is being brewed. At first they wanted 144, but realized that they would not have time to offer something new to replace.
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 April 2 2021 11: 47
    0
    "Doesn't meet modern requirements": American magazine criticized the F-15EX fighter
    ... Is it sho, a struggle between concepts or did you care about denyushku?
    1. ironic
      ironic April 2 2021 12: 54
      -3
      This magazine indirectly raised the question that the discontinuation of the F-22 was a wrong decision.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 2 2021 13: 15
        0
        This opinion has been expressed more than once ...
        F 22, this is a really serious "bird" that needs to be modernized to modern requirements.
        BUT, this is THEIR business, we only observe from the outside.
        1. ironic
          ironic April 2 2021 13: 33
          -1
          They recently carried out a serious modernization of the F-22, replaced it with more modern computers, added a new communication system, complementary to the F-35, but there are a little more than 180 of them, and this is not enough for the United States, they should have been about 800 tons.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 April 2 2021 13: 44
            +1
            Ha, ha, as for me, so burn everything with fire ... I hope you understand why.
            1. ironic
              ironic April 2 2021 13: 56
              -1
              Well, we are not discussing a personal relationship to the United States.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 April 2 2021 14: 08
                +1
                Personal, this is when they personally interfered with me b ... to the other side it is not applicable, from the definition of ALL.
                And on the topic ... yes there were statements that the aircraft was modernized. How much more effective it has become, only real application can prove.
                At this point in time, a huge amount of military equipment, with declared interesting performance characteristics, but, in practice, nothing has been tested even once, and it is unlikely to be confirmed at all.
                As for me, and so it will come down ... I do not wish anyone to experience, in general, the effectiveness of that very technique.
                WORLD WORLD, as they say.
                1. ironic
                  ironic April 2 2021 14: 19
                  -2
                  But we express our opinion as individuals.
                  I practically agree with the rest, but from time to time it is still checked. And the world is now very shaky, there are more than one or two points where a scuffle can begin, unfortunately. And politicians are potentially dangerous now in power.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 April 2 2021 14: 32
                    +1
                    Not everything is checked ... rarely is it checked at the right level.
                    Quote: ironic
                    And politicians are potentially dangerous now in power.

                    That's right ... of course, having claims to some country, these are most often claims to the ruling elite !!! but, completely separating the ruling and citizens will not work! because the top is chosen by citizens, albeit conditionally. If the chosen elite starts something, the citizens will not get out of the consequences of that in any way. Alas, alas, such is the structure of any state.
                    1. ironic
                      ironic April 2 2021 15: 15
                      -1
                      The ruling elite of the United States today is certainly not the best, especially considering those who came from the Obamot government. But part of the military wing of the Russian Federation, too, cannot be called anything other than Lamapasism. In general, everyone tried their best to bring the existing conflicts to insolubility without bayonets. Well, in fact, before WWII, everyone in Europe also tried to gloriously play the Hitler card to their advantage. It ended sadly.
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 April 2 2021 15: 20
                        +2
                        Ours also kosyachat, not without it, but we did not move the missiles and so on to the borders of the strip, this is a FACT. about the rest, where the minke whales were NEVER called, I don't even want to list. The list is awfully long.
        2. Alex777
          Alex777 April 2 2021 15: 25
          +1
          F 22, this is a really serious "bird" that needs to be modernized to modern requirements.

          This "birdie" was removed from production because it is expensive even for the United States.
          And even their machine cannot print for its modernization. All production lines have been dismantled a long time ago, there are no spare engines, etc. etc.
          And this is good.
          Possession of "invisible" in peacetime is too expensive.
          Only the US military-industrial complex pleases.
          The concept of our fighters, IMHO, still looks more successful.
          And the article is pure Lockheed's order. 100500%.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 April 2 2021 15: 36
            0
            Quote: Alex777
            And even their machine cannot print for its modernization.

            So they modernize the old, proven equipment, make it and send it to the troops !!! This BZ Well is also not casual!
            Of course, you can live on debt ... but there are unpleasant nuances!
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 April 2 2021 15: 41
              0
              So they modernize the old, proven equipment, make it and send it to the troops !!!

              I would not call the F-15EX an old technique.
              The electronics are better there than on the F-22.
              And the main thing is the price. And ready for production.
              200 F-15EX is a very serious headache.
              And the ability to save the resource "invisible".
              And save money for an hour of flight.
              And to increase the number of flights per day.
            2. Alex777
              Alex777 April 2 2021 16: 05
              0
              Of course, you can live on debt ... but there are unpleasant nuances!

              I agree. Earlier, debts were written off through wars ...
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 2 2021 11: 47
    -1
    because due to the lack of stealth technology, the plane will simply be shot down.

    It doesn't matter how many missiles a fighter can carry if it can't live up to the opportunity to use them
    Let the merikatos adopt tactics from the Ipenites, when the "divine wind" did not particularly need BP. laughing Because, since the Second World War, they should hiccup from memories (who survived).
  5. Dodikson
    Dodikson April 2 2021 11: 57
    +4
    but as for me, this is the best buy of their Air Force
    stealth is not a panacea, and the F-15 is an excellent fighter
    1. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino April 2 2021 12: 10
      0
      +1. The most dangerous fighter in the United States today.
      1. ironic
        ironic April 2 2021 12: 33
        -5
        As an interceptor, it fully meets the requirements of the tasks. And in a clash of forces over the battlefield, only if it is covered by the F-35A and acts behind its back as an amplifier.
    2. Irokez
      Irokez April 2 2021 12: 34
      0
      I agree completely.
      At a time when the continuation of the financial crisis and the fading of the dollar are coming, the expensive and high-tech F-22 and F-35 states may not be able to pull both financially and technologically, which means that a workhorse is needed that is cheaper and time-tested slightly modified for new terms.
      Accordingly, the new fighters are no longer rolling and to admit this is insulting and disastrous, and therefore they are trying to push them further by smearing the previous generation. And maybe the order came paid for criticism of a competitor.
      1. ironic
        ironic April 2 2021 12: 36
        -2
        Yes, yes, we no longer know how many years we have been hearing about the financial decay of the United States, but they all decay and decay ... and they all do not pull and do not pull ...
        1. Irokez
          Irokez April 2 2021 13: 24
          +1
          When a person drowns, he tries with all his might to stay afloat, and when all his strength has dried up, he immediately goes under the water and this process is fast, and not the same as you imagine. The moment of collapse can be today and tomorrow and in 1-2 years and you do not know exactly when, but it all depends on how the world's financial oligarchs decide.
          1. ironic
            ironic April 2 2021 13: 31
            -2
            There was also 97th and 2003rd and 2008th. Everyone who understands has seen everything and everyone knows how to do it and what the consequences are. It is really impossible to pre-order exactly, the general picture is clear. Well, yes, the next crisis is inevitable. I’ll even tell you more, it will not be the last. And not even one. And the United States will and will continue to have crises. The USA will not cease to be from this.
            1. Irokez
              Irokez April 2 2021 13: 54
              0
              The United States will not disappear correctly, but its exclusivity and hegemony will disappear, and everything is heading towards this, and today it is seen more than ever by those who have eyes.
              This is an era of political, social, economic changes, and in this era, it is always and everywhere difficult to live in chaos. In this chaos, the United States will just hang out, which promises them a general fall.
      2. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft April 2 2021 13: 35
        -1
        Quote: Irokez
        Accordingly, the new fighters are no longer rolling and to admit this is insulting and disastrous.

        If the F-35 is such a failure, why are all known countries re-equipping their air forces with it, and why many countries - China, Russia, South Caucasus, EU, Japan, are developing their 5th generation aircraft ...?
        1. Irokez
          Irokez April 2 2021 13: 57
          +1
          Quote: Lara Croft
          If the F-35 is such a failure, why are all known countries re-equipping their air forces with it?

          Because they invested in cooperation in this expensive pleasure with the promises of the main executor that the plane would be the most stupid, but it turned out that the 5th generation never shines for him either in speed or in maneuverability. Seeing this, some cooperators, having bought it, begin to create their own fighter on its technologies, but the best in many respects because the F-35 is really a failure in some technical characteristics, but in science and technology it is so modern.
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft April 2 2021 14: 50
            0
            Quote: Irokez
            Because they invested in cooperation in this expensive pleasure with the promises of the main executor that the plane would be the most stupid, but it turned out that the 5th generation never shines for him either in speed or maneuverability.

            So what prevented them from leaving the project? History knows a lot with such an example, for example, the same EF "Typhoon", when it was created, many left the project or reduced the number of purchased fighters.
            Then only Lockheed Martin creates the F-35 and no other country participates in its construction. You are confusing potential F-35 operators and project participants. Anyone who ordered the F-35 from the United States can abandon them or reduce the number of purchased fighters ...
            As Lockheed Martin announced on March 3, 2020, the F-500A manufactured for the US Air Force became the 35th fighter of this type. At the moment, out of 500 manufactured and delivered F-35 aircraft, for modification F-35A relate 354 aircraft, for modification F-35B - 108 aircraft, and for the modification of the F-35C - 38 aircraft.
            Today F-35 is in service with nine countries, With four operators of this aircraft used it in hostilities (Air Force and US Marines, Israel, Great Britain)... The total flight time of the F-35 of all types has reached 250 thousand hours.

            https://topwar.ru/168666-korporacija-lockheed-martin-postavila-vvs-ssha-500-j-istrebitel-f-35.html
          2. ironic
            ironic April 2 2021 15: 18
            0
            Who shed this light on you? Reprints of uryakalok in the internet in Russian?
      3. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A April 2 2021 13: 47
        +2
        Quote: Irokez
        I agree completely.
        At a time when the continuation of the financial crisis and the fading of the dollar are coming, the expensive and high-tech F-22 and F-35 states may not be able to pull both financially and technologically, which means that a workhorse is needed that is cheaper and time-tested slightly modified for new terms.
        Accordingly, the new fighters are no longer rolling and to admit this is insulting and disastrous, and therefore they are trying to push them further by smearing the previous generation. And maybe the order came paid for criticism of a competitor.


        First.
        The F-35 is significantly cheaper than the F-15EX in terms of production. and in operation. in the life cycle, for example, 15 years.
        Second.
        Pilots capable of flying 5th generation aircraft in full compliance with the functionality of these aircraft make up no more than 20% of the number of combat pilots available.
        No more than 20%. Even after retraining.
        Accordingly, it is necessary to find many new pilots (and they are sorry, but they study for a very long time).
        And you need to somehow use the existing pilots who are not capable of 5th generation aircraft. but well-proven on 4th generation aircraft.
        The same goes for technicians. By avionics, by engines, by airframe, etc. all-all support units.
        The third.
        The competencies of production personnel of airlines should always be at approximately the same level. Otherwise, after a while, there will be no competition in manufacturers and the industry will wither away entirely.

        This contract for the production of the F-15EX is a comprehensive set of measures on a national scale, in which the aircraft itself is the fifth thing. or even the tenth ...
        1. Irokez
          Irokez April 2 2021 14: 13
          0
          The F-35 are planning to make several thousand for themselves and for partners and, accordingly, reduce the cost, which was planned in a large perspective, and the personnel of the old aircraft remained as they were, and in view of the knocking out of personnel as well as technology, gradually move and teach new ones to new equipment.
          And here the F-35 is somehow not quite in the required parameters, and the F-22 has been discontinued and most likely will no longer be supplied, so where to look for a replacement and which one? Correctly F-15 is the best way out if it is mapped to the new realities of life.
          1. ironic
            ironic April 2 2021 15: 20
            0
            The F-35 was not supposed to be in the F-15 replacement parameters.
    3. ironic
      ironic April 2 2021 12: 34
      -2
      Interceptor, bomber, missile platform, yes. And above the battlefield and in areas of vulnerability from air defense is the place of the F-35A.
  6. Sined
    Sined April 2 2021 11: 59
    +3
    NI sometimes praises and criticizes them, you will not understand them. Instead of analyzing from the available data, coming to conclusions in the form of disadvantages and advantages, they draw one conclusion and make a verdict around it. Yesterday the F-15EX is a killer of dryers, today is a mistake by the Pentagon. Can you stop publishing news in the form of opinions of some authors of the foreign press? NI is not an institution that does extensive analysis and all that. Although ... Thank you for the fact that you stopped publishing selective comments from the foreign press!
  7. yehat2
    yehat2 April 2 2021 12: 03
    +5
    obvious order of lobbyists
    ships according to the program that I saw, the airsoft is not at all for working in conditions of serious air defense, for this there are hundreds of f-35s and other machines.
    And he is quite capable of overcoming the frivolous.
    In addition, even if we consider the same Syria, there are quite a lot of opportunities for him.
    Meanwhile, it will be the most powerful strike aircraft in the Air Force, surpassing the F-35 by 2-3 times.
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson April 2 2021 12: 12
      -6
      it was originally taken as an analogue of the MiG-31K, as a carrier of hypersonic weapons
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 April 2 2021 12: 18
        0
        Quote: Dodikson
        it was originally taken as an analogue of the MiG-31K

        no one considered it as an analogue of the mig-31.
        he can intercept, but only for tactical purposes.
        It is not suitable for MIG-31 speeds and individual hunting in a huge territory.
        except that the load is back and forth analog.
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson April 2 2021 12: 23
          -5
          The MiG-31K is not an interceptor, but a Dagger anti-ship missile carrier.
          The F-15EX was taken as a carrier of the future analogue of the Dagger.
          1. yehat2
            yehat2 April 2 2021 12: 25
            0
            f-15ex was taken exactly as a flying arsenal.
            The United States has a stupid problem to bomb is not as expensive as it is now.
            this plane also solves the problem.
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson April 2 2021 12: 31
              -2
              as a flying arsenal, the F-15 has other models, the number of suspensions and the combat load have not changed.
              specifically EX was taken for future hypersonic weapons
              Air Force Major General David Krumm, in an interview with Air Force reporters, said the new fighters could become launching pads for deterring hypersonic weapons.

              The F-15EX is said to be capable of carrying up to 22 air-to-air guided missiles or "hypersonic weapons up to 22 feet long and weighing up to 7000 pounds."


              22 UR VV, he could carry earlier, moreover, he could carry the UAB 28
              1. ironic
                ironic April 2 2021 12: 38
                -2
                No, I couldn't. The number of pendants has also changed. The wings are different. Only outwardly they look similar.
                1. Dodikson
                  Dodikson April 2 2021 12: 44
                  -1
                  Ф15Х could .......
                  1. ironic
                    ironic April 2 2021 12: 52
                    -2
                    This is practically the same plane, we just decided not to make a single-seat version.
                    1. Dodikson
                      Dodikson April 2 2021 12: 54
                      -1
                      that is, it's still a drummer.
                      as I said
                      and so in comparison with SE the number of suspensions has increased from 9 to 12, here you are right.
                      1. ironic
                        ironic April 2 2021 13: 52
                        -1
                        It is, after all, multipurpose. Drummer with interception capabilities. In Israel, the F-15I is a version based on the E, but it was rebuilt according to the same principles, the drummer is daily, if necessary, the interceptor. And they are also going to upgrade it to the EX version, well, as far as possible, of course, from the previous version. T. e. change of wings, computer, radar, some sensors.
            2. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik April 2 2021 12: 34
              -2
              The F-15EX is a very versatile machine. A fighter with a high payload that can fly far and fast. Accordingly, it can close the task of intercepting, escorting, long-range patrolling, carrying an arsenal of missiles and bombs, carrying "heavy" hypersonic and cruise missiles, do not forget that it has TNW in service. A very wide range of tasks that can change over time. There are no questions regarding its purchase, a very necessary and formidable car.
              1. ironic
                ironic April 2 2021 12: 52
                -1
                There are no questions about its purchase, since the F-22 is not enough in terms of ciseness, and the termination of its production was an obvious mistake that they do not want to publicly admit. Until the replacement of the F-22 appears, it is necessary to replace the F-15C / D with something else. For one and the function E to partly pull back on the newer model.
                1. Dodikson
                  Dodikson April 2 2021 13: 00
                  0
                  if ROFAR is released soon, F-22 will be worse than F-15
                  1. ironic
                    ironic April 2 2021 13: 46
                    0
                    I will soon already soon know how much I hear? AFAR is still in the Russian Federation on fighters in single copies.
                    1. Dodikson
                      Dodikson April 2 2021 16: 23
                      0
                      on the planet there is not only the Russian Federation, there is also China. and his work on ROFAR is also progressing.
                      Yes, and we, as I understand it, AFAR decided to slip by making a bet on ROFAR.
                      1. ironic
                        ironic April 5 2021 17: 02
                        0
                        But China has already successfully mastered AFAR. But where to slip through, it is not yet clear.
                2. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik April 2 2021 13: 03
                  0
                  For the F-22, as there was no enemy, it still does not. A prototype NGAD for the Air Force is already flying. By the age of 30, it will just go into production, only then there will be competitors for the F-22 in marketable quantities.
                  1. ironic
                    ironic April 2 2021 13: 48
                    -1
                    The problem is that there are few of them, so the United States cannot apply where it would like. It is necessary to somehow reach the 30s, and the flying fleet of F-15s can no longer reach the 30s in terms of production.
                    1. OgnennyiKotik
                      OgnennyiKotik April 2 2021 13: 55
                      -2
                      Is the F-22 one or what? There are more than enough of them for group tactics. A huge fleet of F-15/16/35, in the number of AWACS and tankers the whole world surpasses several times. There are also fighters in the Navy, the ILC, and the National Guard. This is without allies. Again, Loyal Wingman will enter service in 25 years, light UAV fighters can be riveted with the speed of cars.
                      1. ironic
                        ironic April 2 2021 14: 57
                        -1
                        Well, no, of course he is not alone, but in his class he was supposed to change the F-15, but he did not. The rest of the planes are from other classes and not quite the same tasks.
              2. yehat2
                yehat2 April 2 2021 14: 43
                0
                there is one more aspect - the use of heavy guided bombs from great heights. ex it will do better than the old E
        2. ironic
          ironic April 2 2021 13: 55
          -1
          Mainly because the MiG-31 has a supersonic cruise by means of partial afterburner. Those. very specialized aircraft and engine.
      2. ism_ek
        ism_ek April 2 2021 12: 21
        0
        It is an analogue of the Su-34
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson April 2 2021 12: 32
          0
          analogue of the duckling Strike Eagle F-15E
    2. ironic
      ironic April 2 2021 12: 57
      -1
      Actually, the main problem is that there is nothing to replace the F-15C / D with nothing, and the plaque is already such that it is further dangerous. And the F-15E can be brought to the same state that it will be erased to holes. So we welded a temporary replacement for some and support for the second in one bottle.
  8. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 2 2021 12: 08
    +3
    As an additional weapon of the "second line", "flying arsenal of explosive missiles"
    this modification of the F-15 is suitable.
    If an F-35 is flying in front of them, they reconnoiter
    targets, destroy air defense, and provide target designation for long-range explosive missiles.
    1. Dread
      Dread April 2 2021 12: 14
      -1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      If an F-35 is flying in front of them, they reconnoiter
      goals destroy air defense, and give targeting for missiles Long-range explosives.

      voyaka uh, don't write fairy tales. Too large ESR from the F-35, and short flight range long-range explosive missiles AIM-120 - 180 km.
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 April 2 2021 12: 21
        +2
        Quote: Dread
        short flight range of long-range explosive missiles AIM-120.

        What range do you think you need?
        what is not enough?
        AIM-120 is a breakthrough of the Americans to the level of F-14a with a phoenix and many times better accuracy,
        which most fighters are now capable of using.
        We also have similar missiles, but mostly on advertising stands.
        So why do we need more range?
        1. Dread
          Dread April 2 2021 12: 40
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          Quote: yehat2
          We also have similar missiles, but mostly on advertising stands.

          yehat2, do not write children's tales, the Su-35S, Su-30 are armed with RVV - BD R-37M with a range of D = 300 km. Not so long ago, the launch of the R-37M from the Su-35S was shown.
          F-15EX will not reach the AIM-120 launch linehow the radar will be detected and then hit by the RVV-BD R-37M ... Take and calculate at what distance the F-035EX fighter will be detected by the N15 "Irbis" radar and then the R-37M will be destroyed.
          Dodikson is wrong - his information is out of date.
          1. Dodikson
            Dodikson April 2 2021 12: 57
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            R-37M is not designed to destroy fighters, it was made to destroy AWACS, tankers, strategic bombers, transports, because its maneuverability is not so hot.
            what am I wrong and what infa in my comets is outdated?
            1. Dread
              Dread April 2 2021 13: 22
              -2
              "R-37M is designed to destroy air targets (fighters, attack aircraft, bombers, military transport aircraft, helicopters, cruise missiles), at any time of the day, at all angles, in conditions of electronic countermeasures, against the background of the earth and water surfaces, including with multichannel shelling according to the principle of "let go and forget ".
              https://turbo.gazeta.ru/army/2020/10/06/13283281.shtml

              Dodikson, you wrote a lie!
              1. ironic
                ironic April 2 2021 13: 44
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                And also a turbo newspaper can write the truth about the defeat of targets at Alpha Centauri by means of a turbo newspaper accelerator.
                1. Dread
                  Dread April 2 2021 14: 01
                  0

                  "The R-37 long-range guided aircraft missile (K-37, RVV-BD) is designed to destroy air targets (fighters, attack aircraft, bombers, military transport aircraft, helicopters, cruise missiles) at any time of the day, at all angles, in conditions of electronic countermeasures, against the background of the earth and water surfaces, incl. with multichannel shelling on the principle of "let it go, forget it." "
                  https://missilery.info/missile/r37

                  ironic, envy without emotion!
                  1. ironic
                    ironic April 2 2021 14: 51
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                    And where else was this uryakalka reprinted? Please give me the whole list. To envy your stupidity? Well, if I need to blunt somewhere, I will envy you exactly, but with emotions, without it in any way.

                    ... hypersonic air-to-air missile ... It was designed to shoot down tankers, AWACS and other C4ISTAR aircraft while keeping the launch platform out of range of any fighters that might be protecting the target.
              2. yehat2
                yehat2 April 2 2021 14: 47
                +1
                dread, stop hysteria. They speak to you politely, implying that you at least understand something.
                p-37 has limited maneuverability. the AWACS aircraft will not leave it, but the F-15 can.
                that's why it's not that simple. And about the presence of our new missiles in combat units, well, name at least one that has a significant stock in the warehouse and expenditure on exercises.
                1. Dread
                  Dread April 2 2021 21: 09
                  -2
                  Quote: yehat2
                  p-37 has limited maneuverability. the AWACS aircraft will not leave it, but the F-15 can.

                  yehat2, do not confuse RVV-BD R-37 with RVV-BD R-37M and write old data that are not related to RVV-BD R-37M. And do not forget about the development of RVV-BD KS-172, with a range of D = 400 km.
                  yehat2, don't worry about missiles in service. Only the Israelis behave like you, when they can say nothing more about the materiel ...
                  1. yehat2
                    yehat2 April 2 2021 22: 17
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                    If it comes to descriptions, then how does your behavior differ from the urya-patriots?
              3. Dodikson
                Dodikson April 2 2021 16: 26
                0
                I wrote the truth, at the maximum distance ALL single-stage missiles have maneuverability to hell
                it is the poet that the European Meteor is considered almost a standard, because it has enough energy for maneuvers even at the end point. the R-37M does not have such an opportunity, therefore, more competent resources already directly write that this is a missile for non-maneuverable targets.
                1. Dread
                  Dread April 2 2021 21: 16
                  -2
                  Quote: Dodikson
                  the poet is the European The meteor is considered almost a standard , because he has enough energy for maneuvers even at the end point. the R-37M does not have such an opportunity, therefore, more competent resources already directly write that this is a missile for non-maneuverable targets.

                  Dodikson, you don't have to write a lie if you don't know! Meteor - this is not a standard, the range is too small for the RVV-BD and the speed is too small to hit rapidly flying targets.
                  The RVV-BD R-37M has enough energy for maneuvers with excess energy, since it is constantly accelerating in flight range and has a maximum flight speed at the end of its trajectory ...
                  1. Dodikson
                    Dodikson April 2 2021 23: 18
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                    darkness, even got sick to argue, you stupidly do not know the subject of what you are arguing. do not argue, this is not yours, you have no coincidences with the materiel at all, and if Che Meteor is the standard NOT in terms of range. but if you do not know this, then there is nothing to argue with you
        2. ironic
          ironic April 2 2021 12: 46
          -2
          The Phoenix was a missile capable of shooting down a very limited number of targets. And is it better than the AIM-120 Meteor, which has a smaller range on a running engine, is a big question.
      2. Dodikson
        Dodikson April 2 2021 12: 24
        -1
        and missiles and missile launchers of explosives are never allowed to reach the maximum range, because the enemy flies away corny. usually fired at 40-60% of the maximum range
      3. ironic
        ironic April 2 2021 12: 43
        -1
        In your stories it is big and in uryakostyah in Russian. European meteors with a range of 110 km, on a running engine, are better than all today's missiles in this class, including more distant American and Russian ones. Just not three again with a highlighted text about knowledge. You are a set of one-sided information, not knowledge, and you do not know the meaning of this word.
    2. dauria
      dauria April 2 2021 12: 53
      0
      If an F-35 is flying in front of them, they reconnoiter
      targets, destroy air defense,


      Thoughts are correct, but you take a bit narrow ... wink "We will beat the enemy on his territory ..." Continuous "hurray, we are advancing, and the enemy is running, running, running."
      There is also a defense with interception, and a counter battle with a build-up on both sides. And ambushes. This is where a massive air combat aircraft will be needed. Dropping the F-15 would be a mistake. And repeating the F-22 and improving it is expensive and time-consuming.
  9. Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin April 2 2021 12: 25
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    The United States does not have a very wide choice, the F-22 is not produced, the F-35 is known for what, so if in mind, then it is a completely reasonable attempt to keep in shape an overall successful aircraft.
    1. ironic
      ironic April 2 2021 12: 49
      -2
      The F-35A is known for what, the most massive front-line multi-role fighter-bomber that will replace the F-16 and Harier in the United States and many of its allies, which does not yet have full-fledged competitors in its class above the front line. The F-15X cannot be an alternative to them. He is an intermediate link until the replacement of the F-22, the termination of production of which was simply an obvious mistake.
      1. Victor Tsenin
        Victor Tsenin April 2 2021 13: 08
        0
        In the expression, it is known what was meant, an inferior fighter and an inferior bomber, in comparison with the American machines of the previous generation. Specialists and experts in the United States recognize this as an indisputable fact. Therefore, this, as you say, is intermediate, noticeably inferior to the new version of the F-15 in all relevant functions, except for stealth, and this is also a fact.
        1. ironic
          ironic April 2 2021 13: 42
          -1
          Well, it's not clear why it is meant if the F-16 is a full-fledged bomber, and the F-35 is better as a bomber. The F-16 is a full-fledged front-line fighter, and the F-35 is better as a front-line fighter. Specialists, who are not quite experts, do not quite recognize and it is not clear what fact. It's like in the joke about Rabinovich's winning in the lotto. In addition, these are cars of different classes and therefore they have initially incomparable functionality in certain parameters. The F-15X is inferior to the F-35A in non-afterburner flight speed, in the maximum angle of attack, at which the car retains full controllability and the ability to sharply reduce speed. Apparently, you also do not really understand the meaning of the word fact.
          1. Victor Tsenin
            Victor Tsenin April 2 2021 14: 04
            0
            > F-16 full-fledged bomber

            How long ago did the F-16 go from being a fighter / bomber to a full-fledged front-line bomber?
            What exactly is the F-35 superior to the F-16, given its low speed, load, sky-high cost, capriciousness and unreliability?

            > F-15X is inferior to F-35A
            You tried so hard, but did not provide a much more extensive list of advantages of the F-15EX) For example, adequate cost, extreme reliability, much more weighty speed, load, maneuverability, etc.?

            Do not think, personally, I would very much like the United States to have as many F-35s as possible, and the F-15EX not at all. God grant that with your prayers and facts this will happen)
            1. ironic
              ironic April 2 2021 14: 47
              0
              As a fighter bomber, I mean by functioning as a bomber, is he complete? Yes. So the F-35 is more complete. The F-16 has a high maximum speed in afterburner, but it can be on it for a very long time and it takes time to accelerate to it. The F-35A has a high average speed, the ability to supercruise up to a speed of 1.2M, as well as a larger supply of fuel, which allows it to use the afterburner more often than the F-16. In addition, the F-35A has a larger maximum controllable angle of attack, a high acceleration speed from transonic subsonic to low supersonic and better braking back to subsonic, as well as radial deflection of the aircraft nose to the side while maintaining the direction of flight. Its cost is already below 80 million, which is adequate, it is more expensive than the F-16 only in service, which by the way is better (this is about reliability), and in the operating hour the block 16 does not differ fundamentally from the F-72.

              Firstly, these are planes of different cash desks and destinations, which undoubtedly makes certain performance characteristics incomparable. The cost of the F-15EX is higher than the F-35A. Reliability is not yet known. The speed is higher with the afterburner, but the non-afterburner speed is higher for the F-35A. Their task load should not be comparable, and maneuverability at a speed of about 1M is a big question for who is better. The F-15 does not know how to "brake" as much as the F-35A and so turn the nose to the side and does not have such controlled angles of attack.

              Well, your words will come true. The F-35A in the troops of any countries using Amerkinskaya equipment will be at least three times more than the F-15EX. I also strongly support your desire for your country. 75 F-35A on 25 F-15EX is a successful combination. wink
              1. Victor Tsenin
                Victor Tsenin April 2 2021 15: 35
                0
                Advice and love is such a delight)
              2. Victor Tsenin
                Victor Tsenin 18 June 2021 20: 54
                0
                I just remembered the speech about the F-35, when I read the opinion of a wise man, it is very interesting.
                https://inosmi.ru/military/20210618/249946764.html

                A successful combination is the Su-57 and Su-35S)
  10. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 2 2021 12: 39
    +1
    Lobbyists F15 and F35 share money ...
  11. Sergey985
    Sergey985 April 2 2021 12: 41
    +1
    It's just that the Pentagon really looks at things. The budget is not rubber. And the F-22 and F-35 cost prohibitive costs. Some storage conditions are worth what. And the old F-15 and F-16 already need to be written off (resource depletion). So, soon the Air Force will shrink to microscopic (by the standards of the country) size. With China and Russia, no war is foreseen, and in local conflicts with a weak enemy there will be nothing to fight with. Again, stealth is not a panacea. Yes, and the United States has electronic warfare equipment (and no matter what anyone says, they are quite effective). And the combat load of the F-15 is solid, and it can stand up for itself. Again, the operation is cheaper (and hence the higher combat readiness)
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  13. Niko
    Niko April 2 2021 12: 53
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    The Americans, of course, became insolent, accustomed to the fact that their technique should be head and shoulders above everyone else, if not superior, but simply good, they are already dissatisfied
  14. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 April 2 2021 13: 22
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    Well done author!
    The Pentagon needs to listen! Write off as many planes as possible.
    Why fly on junk and junk? It is better to buy more F-35s, which are useless in terms of fighters.
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  16. Maksim_ok
    Maksim_ok April 22 2021 15: 27
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    The National Interest is the publication where is Pushkov on the editorial board since 2022? And the publisher, together with Nikonov, is broadcasting "The Big Game" on the First Channel? Dima Simis. Well, of course, then the F-15X is a mistake ...