"Great modernization potential": Work on the BMP-3 will continue

The modernization of the BMP-3 combat vehicle will continue, the equipment will receive an improved engine and a new thermal imaging panoramic sight for the commander. This was reported in the complex of weapons of the state corporation "Rostec".

The state corporation said that the BMP-3 has a great modernization potential, work on the machine will continue. Rostec plans to install an UTD-32T engine with a capacity of 660 hp on the BMP, which will allow the infantry fighting vehicle to become much more maneuverable.

We plan to equip the BMP-3 with a power plant using the UTD-32T engine. It will be more powerful than its predecessor - it has 660 hp. This will allow you to start the engine faster, change its operating modes faster, and make the car more maneuverable.

- leads TASS corporation message.

In addition to the engine, it is planned to install the commander's thermal imaging panoramic sight on the BMP-3. In the course of modernization, the car has already received new means of communication.

(...) serial BMP-3, supplied to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, are equipped with a set of additional protection

- said in a statement.

It is noted that the process of improving and modernizing the BMP-3 will continue, the vehicle will be supplied to the troops for a long time.

The BMP-3M infantry fighting vehicle is armed with a 100mm gun - a 2A70 launcher with a 30mm 2A72 automatic cannon and a 7,62mm PKTM machine gun. BMP is designed to transport personnel to the front line, increase the mobility, armament and security of military personnel on the battlefield in conditions of the use of nuclear weapons and joint action with tanks in battle.

Comments

[Cananecat]

Judging by how many times the BMP-2 has been modernized, the number of BMP-3 upgrades over the entire service period will be no less. ))

[Thrifty]

We still have bmp1 being upgraded, so bmp3 is a "baby" compared to bmp1!

[bayard]

BMP-1 is a mobilization potential for quick compensation for losses incurred and for the deployment of new formations in case of war. Why should they be wasted when there is enough resource? Well, as an aid to allies, when you need it quickly and inexpensively.
But the BMP-3 has an engine of 660 hp, this is already like the T-64's power, almost like the early T-72s. So I have to fly with this. Or maybe in case of strengthening the booking, but then the swim is worse.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: bayard

BMP-1 is a mobilization potential for quick compensation for losses incurred and for the deployment of new formations in case of war.

The troops have 500 + 7 of them in storage (in what state they are unknown) ...
Most of all in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the RG is the BMP-2, t.s. the main BMP, respectively, it is necessary to modernize the BMP-2 and increase the number of BMP-3 (560 in total) .....

[bayard]

Quote: Lara Croft

The troops have 500 + 7 in storage (in what state they are unknown).

This is a reserve in case of a big war, or in case of delivery to a belligerent country, when you need a lot and quickly, and on a familiar chassis. The modernization option is very budgetary and quite effective.

Quote: Lara Croft

Most of all in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the RG is the BMP-2, t.s. the main BMP, respectively, it is necessary to upgrade the BMP-2

So they are being modernized. And there are indeed more of them in the storerooms. But the losses of BMPs in a real war are very large - an example of Donbass, when the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost most of their BMP-2 and were forced to pull the BMP-1 from storage in its original form. This is still not a tank, and it is possible to disable them even with shell fragments. And finally. That's why you need to have a good supply of such (BMP-2 and BMP-1) and options for their quick and budgetary modernization.

Quote: Lara Croft

and increase the number of BMP-3 (total 560).

But there won't be too many of them anyway - they are quite expensive.
And the old infantry fighting vehicles will gradually move to the role of armored personnel carriers - the transportation of infantry through the space under fire, because their reservation does not leave them a chance of survival in direct modern combat.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: bayard

This is a reserve in case of a big war, or in case of delivery to a belligerent country, when you need a lot and quickly, and on a familiar chassis.

Well, let it remain in reserve, only you need to take an inventory of all BMP-1s ... so as not to spend money on storing them in a proper form, because, for sure, 2/3 of the BMP-1 is a pile of scrap metal, they are also under the open have stood for several decades ...

The modernization option is very budgetary and quite effective.

There are 7 BMP-000s on the BHVT, can you imagine how much money needs to be invested in them in order to bring them closer to the level of the BMP-1M, change the engine, install a new combat module, etc. this will take the entire budget ...
Here it is necessary to organize a private-state partnership, private traders are developing a scheme for modernizing the BMP-1, private traders with the state at a separate enterprise (so as not to interfere with making a new military vehicle in Kurgan) are modernizing the BMP-1, incl. in BREM, KShM, RHBZ, etc., and then these machines are spent on drink to countries in which these BMP-1s have been released, only 20 of them have been released and the operating operators of this BMP are immeasurable ...

BMP losses in a real war are very large

in a real war, large losses will be of all types of military vehicles, not just BMPs ...

example of Donbass, when the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost most of their BMP-2 and were forced to pull the BMP-1 from storage in its original form

Well, we also went through this at the PChV, when we have 1 MRBR. and 1 SMR completely burned down, with which they were re-armed, also with BHVT, and there is nothing new there ...
In the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as in ours and in Belarus, the basis of infantry armored vehicles is infantry fighting vehicles and tracked armored personnel carriers, and not wheeled armored personnel carriers, therefore, the losses among infantry fighting vehicles in the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donbass are greater than in other military vehicles.
Among the BMPs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it is the BMP-2 that predominates (unlike us), probably because under the Union in the Ukrainian SSR, the formations of the second echelon of the SA were located ...
But the APU has 2 MLTB, you can somehow adapt them for motorized rifle ...

But there won't be too many of them anyway - they are quite expensive.

Well, how do you want? Spend all the money on the BMP-1, which are 95% all on the BHVT and so that you still have money left for the production of the BMP-3 and the modernization of the BMP-2 (the basis of the RF Armed Forces and the National Guard) ...

[bayard]

Quote: Lara Croft

Well, let it remain in reserve, only you need to take an inventory of all BMP-1s ... so as not to spend money on storing them in proper form, because, for sure, 2/3 of the BMP-1 is a pile of scrap metal, they are also under the open stood for several decades in the sky ..

Even the "rebirth from the ashes" into a new look of 1000 - 2000 BMP-1 is already a very good potential. And it's better when you have one and you have a choice.
Moreover, such machines are very suitable for deliveries to poor countries. Take the same Africa, where our business has recently rushed, and PMCs with military assistance. They can afford this technique and according to their needs. There, after all, often for preferences, our side offers / pays with deliveries of weapons ... A good exchange product from old stocks and in a new look.

Quote: Lara Croft

Well, how do you want? Spend all the money on the BMP-1, which are 95% all on the BHVT and so that you still have money left for the production of the BMP-3 and the modernization of the BMP-2 (the basis of the RF Armed Forces and the National Guard) ...

Yes, not so much is spent on their modernization per year - not such a large number per year to greatly affect the BMP-3 program. The number of BMP-2 undergoing modernization is still larger, and how to compare the cost of modernizing such machines and manufacturing from scratch BMP-3 ... But what is \ appeared \ revived production capacities and competencies (process technology \ production cooperation) for modernization of those deposits of military goods that remained to us from our great ancestors ... are encouraging. If something unpleasant happens, it will immediately be possible to replenish the losses by getting equipment from the HH. With quality repairs and budget upgrades.
If there is a need to dramatically strengthen the corps of Donbass, make up for their losses, arm mobilized units and subunits ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: bayard

Or maybe in case of strengthening the booking, but then the swim is worse.

Likely.

[Maz]

Everybody is good with the BMP, and for us a thrill, nimble, fast, BUT during exercises and marches we shied away from it like a crazy animal in the direction of the armored personnel carriers, and tried to move precisely on them. Because the landing force is very swaying at speed, God forbid to shove the plow, and on the way, a simple half of the infantrymen will tear out breakfast after the first ten kilometers. Shoot, yes, from her and her weapons, even without dinner, into a thrill.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

It is more typical for the BMP-1,2, in the BMP-3 the landing is closer to the center of the car, it is lighter in it.

[Usher]

What kind of troopers are they? Children or what?

[No name B]

I don’t understand why she needs a pair of two guns? If its task is to deliver the infantry to the battlefield, then the 100 mm cannon seems to be superfluous, this is not an SPG.

[NDR-791]

Quote: No name B

If her task is to deliver the infantry to the battlefield

We open a good book "Initial military training" (Averin, Vydrin, Endovitsky, etc.) 1987 and begin to study materiel. In particular, what is the difference between an armored personnel carrier and an infantry fighting vehicle. Only after studying do we write a comment. Do not be like illiterate correspondents and you will be happy!

[hagen]

Quote: NDR-791

We open a good book "Initial military training" (Averin, Vydrin, Endovitsky, etc.) 1987 and begin to study materiel.

It is better to open a very authoritative book - BUSV parts 1, 2. There it is clearly written out for whom what to do in battle. And most importantly, this book is the last instance of truth. The military prosecutor's office will verify the actions of the subdivisions exactly according to it.

[NDR-791]

Quote: Hagen

It is better to open a completely authoritative book - BUSV parts 1, 2.

This book is for those who already know where the AK fuse is and where the car does not go. And here it looks like the KMB has not been passed yet. So as in the old joke - "smart to smart, and me to you"

[hagen]

Quote: NDR-791

This book is for those who already know where the AK fuse is and where the car does not go.

It is necessary to familiarize with the right books from childhood

[Growlers]

The military prosecutor's office has a commander, and only he is always to blame. The only thing since it has come to the prosecutor's office, either the winners are not judged, or the dead do not have shame. So that you do not plunge into the discussion, I will say, this is from my own experience. The ancestors also said - "... do not stick to the regulations like walls ..) Something like this .... When the infantry does not have attached tanks and artillery, and the task must be completed, it" prays "for the weapons of BMPs and AGSs .... ..

[hagen]

Quote: Growlers

So that you do not plunge into the discussion, I will say, this is from my own experience

If you had read the question to which the answer sounds, then there would be no need to mention the personal experience of communication with the prosecutor. To which I will answer - not only you have such experience. By the way, the winners are judged. And there may be plenty of reasons for this, because no one can ever prove what the price of victory is sufficient, if at least something is paid for it.

[Growlers]

That's why she is life, there are exceptions to every rule. which only prove the rule

[venik]

Quote: NDR-791

We open a good book "Initial military training" (Averin, Vydrin, Endovitsky, etc.) 1987 and begin to study materiel. In particular, what is the difference between an armored personnel carrier and an infantry fighting vehicle.

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All this is correct, Artyom! BUT! So it was "at the dawn" of the formation of the BMP, as a class of armored vehicles SV. Everything was clear: armored personnel carriers - wheeled, less often tracked BM, which serves to deliver infantry to the battlefield and support by fire (from a "respectful" distance). And therefore - nothing more powerful than a large-caliber machine gun, as it were, does not need it. BMP is tracked BM, directly involved in the battle together with tanks (including and with a leisurely landing), and therefore has cannon-machine gun e weapons (and sometimes ATGMs), and embrasures for firing troops ...,
Alas! The evolution of armored vehicles has led to a complete blurring of this "fine line". Modern armored personnel carriers often have machine-gun armament and anti-tank systems, and their armor is often not inferior to BMPs!
Here's an example:

So figure out WHAT it is: either a heavy armored personnel carrier (as it is qualified in Israel itself), or a heavy infantry fighting vehicle?
Try to figure out who is in the photo below the BMP, and who is the APC ?!

How is it? But the collage has both BMPs and armored personnel carriers!
Well, and then there is also MRAP "fit in ... So it seems clear: just an armored truck with increased mine resistance ... But in this version:

Well, why aren't you an APC ???

PS In general, it's a difficult topic ... I'm afraid I'll have to write an article ...

[NDR-791]

Here's an example:

So figure out WHAT it is: either a heavy armored personnel carrier (as it is qualified in Israel itself), or a heavy infantry fighting vehicle?
Cool, just below our Israeli friend called this unit a bus for delivering infantry to the battlefield. So even the creators themselves have no understanding. However, this does not change the essence - the transporter and the combat vehicle, and if they do not differ in armor, then in weapons and the ability to fight from the inside are different. And this was the "misunderstanding of the question" on the part of NoName B

[venik]

Greetings, Artyom!

Quote: NDR-791

However, this does not change the essence - the transporter and the combat vehicle, and if they do not differ in armor, then in weapons and the ability to fight from the inside are different.

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And here and there!
Look at the bottom row of the photo: there is the Italian BMP "Freccia" on the far right, and the Italian armored personnel carrier SUPERAV on the far left !!! The weight is almost the same, the armament is the same .... WHAT is the difference? The fact is that SUPERAV also exists in the "completely unarmed" version !!!
PS Artem, it was not in vain that I made a collage!
PPS By the way: the majority of modern and promising BM (both armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles) do not have embrasures at all for firing an airborne assault force (unlike their predecessors (both armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles), such - have had!)

Well, why not BMP? The cannon is there, the embrasures are also there !!!

[Flooding]

Quote: No name B

If its task is to deliver the infantry to the battlefield, then the 100 mm cannon seems to be superfluous, this is not an SPG.

the task of delivering infantry to the battlefield is performed by armored personnel carriers.
and BMPs also provide fire support on the battlefield.
What is actually reflected in the abbreviation.

[hagen]

Quote: Flood

the task of delivering infantry to the battlefield is performed by armored personnel carriers.
and BMPs also provide fire support on the battlefield.
What is actually reflected in the abbreviation.

What school did you graduate from (at least in terms of profile) and what position did you reach, if not a secret? Regulatory documents provide for such a thing - the combat order of the unit. So in this battle formation there is a place for both the BMP and the armored personnel carrier. So forget about abbreviations. If even a slingshot is installed on the machine, then there will be a place for it in the battle formation.

[Grandfather]

Quote: No name B

I don’t understand why she needs a pair of two guns? If its task is to deliver the infantry to the battlefield, then the 100 mm cannon seems to be superfluous, this is not an SPG.

and what to beat the tanks with? to cover the same infantry?

[Hermit21]

Initially, it was conceived that the 2A72 would be used to combat light armored vehicles, and the 2A70, due to the Arkan ATGM, to fight tanks. But both the LBT and the tanks have increased their security over 40 years, their armor penetration has hit the ceiling, and now they are returning to the "automatic cannon + ATGM" scheme.

[EvilLion]

A 100 mm land mine has a far from zero usefulness.

[Hermit21]

I only speak in the context of the fight against BTT

[alexmach]

armor penetration rested against the ceiling

so-so ceiling, especially for a 30mm cannon.

[Hermit21]

For the new LME is not enough or enough end-to-end, while the "Arkan" it rested on the caliber of the gun and the size of the rocket. Individual ATGMs have much more armor penetration reserves.

[alexmach]

Let's start with the fact that for the 30mm cannon, a modern APCR projectile has not appeared. Why in general then talk about the fact that the gun has exhausted itself, if the most obvious thing to improve armor penetration for it and did not do.

By the way, all Kurgan-Boomerangs are also armed with modules with 30mm cannons ..

[Hermit21]

There is a 30-MM BPS. But they are mainly in the navy. New platforms with 2A42 is an intermediate demo version. In the series they will be with 2A91 or LSHO-57

[alexmach]

There is a 30-MM BPS. But they're mostly in the navy

In the navy? BOPS? Why is that? In the navy, anti-aircraft guns are just the main high-explosive fragmentation projectile.

New platforms with 2A42 is an intermediate demo version.

well, not a fact. Wait and see.

In the series they will be with 2A91 or LSHO-57

2A91 in my opinion is very vryatli
LSHO-57 - wait and see. It looks interesting, but they screwed up a little there with that combat module.

[Hermit21]

Well, the T-15 is just with 2A91, "Kurganets" and "Boomerang" are still unknown with what they will be. Maybe with both.

In the navy? BOPS? Why is that?

For the initiation of warhead anti-ship missiles, for example. And all the same, it will be necessary to leave from 30 mm. In the second line, he will still live, but in general it is time to look to the future.

[alexmach]

Well, the T-15 is just with the 2A91

With the T-15, it is not yet known when in any quantity. It was not initially planned for mass production, and with the pace of deliveries it will probably be generally a piece goods. And there are no guarantees that it will go into production with the 2A91. And according to rumors, not everything is going smoothly with 2A19 itself ...

Kurganets and Boomerang, in general, should be mass machines in the future. But first, again, the same rate of supply, at which the old machines will remain in service for a long time. Secondly, there is no ready-made excellent single cannon for the new technology, then they may well go into series with 2A42.

[riwas]

But both the LBT and the tanks have increased their security over 40 years, their armor penetration has hit the ceiling, and now they are returning to the "automatic cannon + ATGM" scheme.

You just need to add the Kornet ATGM in armored casings on the sides. Although, of course, the 57-mm cannon + ATGM is better.

[Hermit21]

It's somehow stupid to hang up another PTS when there is already one ("Arkan"), don't you think?

[hagen]

Quote: Hermit21

It was originally thought that 2A72 would be

Something (an explanatory note to the project, for example) can you confirm what was originally conceived? Who intended it? Or is it you yourself invented, and now you want to share your personal thoughts?

[Professor]

Quote: No name B

I don’t understand why she needs a pair of two guns? If its task is to deliver the infantry to the battlefield, then the 100 mm cannon seems to be superfluous, this is not an SPG.

You asked the correct question. Such armament tempts to send the vehicle into battle on the front lines, and this is death for her. The 30-mm cannon is guaranteed to hit the vehicle in any projection, and the 14.5-mm cannon in the sides and stern.
The 100mm cannon is superfluous.

[Grits]

Quote: professor

The 100mm cannon is superfluous.

Don't be jealous. I think if there was such a cannon on the Namer, and not a machine gun, you would shout with enthusiasm that this is what you need!

[Professor]

Quote: Gritsa

Quote: professor

The 100mm cannon is superfluous.

Don't be jealous. I think if there was such a cannon on the Namer, and not a machine gun, you would shout with enthusiasm that this is what you need!

Of course not. I am against installing it on an armored personnel carrier or an infantry fighting vehicle with a caliber of more than 30 mm, even though Namer is better protected than a tank.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Gritsa

Quote: professor

The 100mm cannon is superfluous.

Don't be jealous. I think if there was such a cannon on the Namer, and not a machine gun, you would shout with enthusiasm that this is what you need!

if there were a 100 mm cannon on the target, it would be a Merkava with a 100 mm cannon.

[Roma 1977]

Since the 80s, the BMPs of NATO countries have been designed to withstand the 30-mm cannons of the BMP-2. And, probably, they will not make their way into the forehead. Although, you have to try.

[Professor]

Quote: Roma-1977

Since the 80s, the BMPs of NATO countries have been designed to withstand the 30-mm cannons of the BMP-2. And, probably, they will not make their way into the forehead. Although, you have to try.

Why guess? Open TTX and see the level of protection. Level 6 STANAG is protection against 30mm.

[Maz]

Quote: Roma-1977

Since the 80s, the BMPs of NATO countries have been designed to withstand the 30-mm cannons of the BMP-2. And, probably, they will not make their way into the forehead. Although, you have to try.

Brad, in TTX and TTZ on BMP Bradley clearly scored KPVT! The car in any projection was not supposed to break through with a 14,5 mm machine gun. And when ours put a 30mm cannon on the BMP, the Bradley BMP had to be weighed down with additional armor, from which its weight approached the weight of light tanks and the desired buoyancy went into minus forever, like the Merkava's cross-country ability in the European theater of operations with its almost 70 ton weight with all the bells and whistles ... combat weight Bradley5 = 34,5 tons! For comparison, the weight of the T-90 is 46 tons

[Roma 1977]

German "Puma" - frontal armor holds up to 45mm shells. But also the weight is more than 40 tons. Mastodon.

[Victorio]

Quote: professor

You asked the correct question. Such armament tempts to send the vehicle into battle on the front lines, and this is death for her. The 30-mm cannon is guaranteed to hit the vehicle in any projection, and the 14.5-mm cannon in the sides and stern.
The 100-mm cannon is superfluous.

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/ Another problematic point of the BMP-1 is the main armament - the 73-mm smooth-bore gun 2A28, which was intended primarily to combat enemy armored vehicles. The weakness of the 2A28 as a means of supporting infantry and suppressing enemy firing points was noted even during the hostilities in Afghanistan and Chechnya.
Therefore, it is not surprising that both the Syrian military and various militant groups, during the course of the war, independently carried out work to increase the firepower by installing automatic anti-aircraft guns and large-caliber machine guns on the BMP-1.
Currently, the main means of enhancing firepower is the ZU-23-2 cannon, which can bombard the enemy with 190-gram shells with a rate of fire of up to 2000 rounds per minute and at a range of 2,5 km.
https://arsenal-otechestva.ru/article/939-legkaya-bronetekhnika-v-sirijskom-konflikte /

[Professor]

Quote: Victorio

Quote: professor

You asked the correct question. Such armament tempts to send the vehicle into battle on the front lines, and this is death for her. The 30-mm cannon is guaranteed to hit the vehicle in any projection, and the 14.5-mm cannon in the sides and stern.
The 100-mm cannon is superfluous.

===
/ Another problematic point of the BMP-1 is the main armament - the 73-mm smooth-bore gun 2A28, which was intended primarily to combat enemy armored vehicles. The weakness of the 2A28 as a means of supporting infantry and suppressing enemy firing points was noted even during the hostilities in Afghanistan and Chechnya.
Therefore, it is not surprising that both the Syrian military and various militant groups, during the course of the war, independently carried out work to increase the firepower by installing automatic anti-aircraft guns and large-caliber machine guns on the BMP-1.
Currently, the main means of enhancing firepower is the ZU-23-2 cannon, which can bombard the enemy with 190-gram shells with a rate of fire of up to 2000 rounds per minute and at a range of 2,5 km.
https://arsenal-otechestva.ru/article/939-legkaya-bronetekhnika-v-sirijskom-konflikte /

The BMB-2 has no such problems.

[Old tanker]

Field fortifications cannot be destroyed with a 30mm cannon, here a 100mm high-explosive fragmentation is just good. Well, the BMP-3 ATGM launches through the barrel.
The BMP-3 armament complex provides a wide range of capabilities to defeat various enemies. Great car. It is not for nothing that the paratroopers are rapidly re-equipping the BMD-4M with a similar one.

[Maz]

Quote: Old Tanker

Field fortifications cannot be destroyed with a 30mm cannon, here a 100mm high-explosive fragmentation is just good. Well, the BMP-3 ATGM launches through the barrel.
The BMP-3 armament complex provides a wide range of capabilities to defeat various enemies. Great car. It is not for nothing that the paratroopers are rapidly re-equipping the BMD-4M with a similar one.

One problem is the volume and amount of ammunition in the BMP 3, compared to the BMP-2 with the Berezhok module.

[Old tanker]

What's the problem? The total used BMP-3 is larger than that of the BMP-2 with the "Berezhk".

[hagen]

Quote: No name B

I don’t understand why she needs a pair of two guns?

Then, that an infantry company of one and a half howitzer battalions will not interfere in any form of combat. 14 100mm guns in the interests of the MCP is power! Still, in the staff of the ITS, a competent artillery officer with the functions of a senior officer of a battery and a tower could be upgraded to network-centric control qualities - in general it would be great !!!

[Roma 1977]

30-mm is no longer enough to confidently defeat enemy infantry fighting vehicles in the frontal projection. But the 100-mm can penetrate any NATO BMP, and besides, it also has a decent high-explosive effect for firing at fortifications, with the support of its infantry.

[hagen]

Quote: Roma-1977

But 100-mm can penetrate any NATO BMP

Do not confuse 2A70 with D-10. 2A70 - low-impulse gun, muzzle velocity 250 m / sec. Against the enemy infantry fighting vehicles, you need to keep in mind it only as a launcher for ATGM. In her b / c, in my opinion, there are not even armor-piercing shells.

[Usher]

What is the difference a 100mm land mine is better than a 30mm projectile.

[hagen]

Quote: Usher

What is the difference a 100mm land mine is better than a 30mm projectile.

If in terms of armor, then not a fact ...

[Usher]

Quote: Hagen

Quote: Usher

What is the difference a 100mm land mine is better than a 30mm projectile.

If in terms of armor, then not a fact ...

Why? 1,5 kg of TNT, anything is better. And that we have enemy infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers is all armor? No triplexes, no wheels, no weapons, no hatches? Apparently not? Yes, and only tears are thick.

[hagen]

Quote: Usher

No triplexes, no wheels, no weapons, no hatches?

It is one thing to rip off a wheel or punch through the barrel, and quite another to punch through the armor and kill the crew. In general, all these assumptions are empty killing of time.

[Grandfather]

Russians have something to be proud of ... except for their own life, ask Kurgansev, watch the video, people who create weapons, live without roads, with wild housing and communal services, with poor pensioners. and BMP -3: cool ... yes ... Ural is driving cho ... zavotstorasbankrot ... one propaganda. yes, even if you issue a "state order" and give money, people want to work!

[Cottodraton]

Maybe your whining and pink snot can go to pour out on other sites, along the profile. I do not see the connection between m / d "pregnant retirees" and BMP.
So you want srach and holivar, right? Or pay extra?

[Grandfather]

Quote: Cottodraton

Maybe your whining and pink snot can go to pour out on other sites, along the profile. I do not see the connection between m / d "pregnant retirees" and BMP.
So you want srach and holivar, right? Or pay extra?

go to Kurgan for permanent residence ... and see. there are no worse scum who yell "hurray" when things need to be done, and not "throw caps"

[Cottodraton]

The most ingenious, and most importantly well-reasoned answer ...

[hagen]

Quote: Dead Day

.worse there are no scumbags who yell "hurray" when things need to be done

Well, take it and do it. The plant goes bankrupt not because the Lord ordered it so, but because it cannot withstand the competition with similar industries. How do you want it. Government order, money in the hat, but "we are blind, so use it"? The local leadership must also move. And to make him move should be both from above, but also from below.

[EvilLion]

You in Kievisho undoubtedly know better how they live here.

[Hermit21]

Grandfather, did you forget to take your pills again?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Hermit21

forgot to take pills again?

Here, on the contrary - it would be better if I forgot ...

[Victorio]

Quote: Dead Day

Russians have something to be proud of ... besides their own life, ask Kurgansev, watch the video, people who create weapons, live without roads, with wild housing and communal services, with poor pensioners. and BMP-3: cool ... yes ... Ural is driving cho ... zavotstorasbankrot ... one propaganda. yes, at least you can issue a "state order" and give money, people Want to work !

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maybe? it is clear that the chaos is caused by poverty and lack of education. but, for me, so many, and at one time (80-90s), scored on everything, and the same shift grew. and nowadays it is not easy to force, press and observe somehow, if at all possible with such and such spaciousness, well, democracy, and everything else good is in favor. hence, and in fact, each for himself and for himself.

[Constanty]

Is it possible to upgrade the BMP-3 to the BMP-3M "Dragoon" variant with a rear landing ramp

or will it be necessary to build a new building?

[Runway]

Change the engine to pedals and put on a fashionable ramp ...

[NDR-791]

Quote: Constanty

Is it possible to upgrade the BMP-3 to the BMP-3M "Dragoon" variant with a rear landing ramp

Perhaps that is possible. There are simple doors, the lintel should be transferred to the hatch (it will work the same when closed), but when it is open it is not needed. And yes, the wide exit is a handy thing

[Runway]

Crawling on the belly on the MTO. It's worse than diving / diving in 70 ...

[Bad_gr]

Quote: NDR-791

Perhaps that is possible.

Then you should immediately return to the BMP-1-2. There only the doors to the ramp should be changed.

[Comrade I]

(...) serial BMP-3, supplied to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, are equipped with a set of additional protection

As I understand it, is it just a grate?

[Professor]

The state corporation said that the BMP-3 has a great modernization potential, work on the machine will continue.

Doesn't possess. It's like Zaporozhets endlessly modernize. The rear engine position and dismounting ABOVE it negates all potential / It's better to upgrade the BMP-2.

[NDR-791]

Quote: professor

Doesn't possess. It's like Zaporozhets endlessly modernize.

That's why you are still using the M-113. And nothing like that, don't complain

[Professor]

Quote: NDR-791

Quote: professor

Doesn't possess. It's like Zaporozhets endlessly modernize.

That's why you are still using the M-113. And nothing like that, don't complain

Let me ask you where and how are they used and when was the last time they fought?

[NDR-791]

Quote: professor

Let me ask you where and how are they used and when was the last time they fought?

Sorry brizzo! As of 2016, your invincible and legendary M-113 includes as many as 500 pieces.... Or is it already not listed ??? And there are 200 Akhzarits !!! Does the T-54 base bother you from old age? That’s another Zaporozhets. Storyteller, you, my friend.

[Professor]

Quote: NDR-791

Sorry brizzo! As of 2016 in your invincible and legendary M-113 is listed as much as 500 pieces .. Or is it all, not listed ??? And there are 200 Akhzarits !!! Does the T-54 base bother you from old age? That's the Zaporozhets that still. Storyteller, you, my friend.

So where and how are they used and when was the last time they fought? This is the key question.
I understand that YOU are not kicking, and therefore I am telling you. The number of Akhzarit is limited by the number of tanks kindly supplied by the USSR, and today they are actively being removed from service. Namer at the Merkava base is actively replenishing its ranks. There is also the most protected in the world armored personnel carriers Nagmashen and Puma.
M113 apply EXCLUSIVELY as all-terrain vehicles, they are armed with a machine gun for self-defense like jeeps and are not allowed close to the front line. By the way, its permeability is excellent, it is cheap and not whimsical, although it is outdated. Eitan is their replacement.

[Grits]

Quote: professor

Let me ask you where and how are they used and when was the last time they fought?

What a beautiful unarmed barn. And you call this miracle of Jewish thought a fighting machine?

[Professor]

Quote: Gritsa

Quote: professor

Let me ask you where and how are they used and when was the last time they fought?

What a beautiful unarmed barn. And you call this miracle of Jewish thought a fighting machine?

This is an armored bus. This is what we need armored personnel carriers, KEP.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

On it only to the nearest bridge with a low carrying capacity of 10-20 tons, and then either dive into the hole or wait for the ferry.

[Professor]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

On it only to the nearest bridge with a low carrying capacity of 10-20 tons, and then either dive into the hole or wait for the ferry.

As with any well-protected armored vehicle. And for this there are engineering departments, CEP.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

It remains only to wait for such circumstances, when they will be allowed to work calmly, by these very engineering units.

[Professor]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

It remains only to wait for such circumstances, when they will be allowed to work calmly, by these very engineering units.

Engineering troops always go BEFORE the tanks. Passages in minefields, guiding crossings, clearing debris is their direct responsibility. You can forget about "quiet" work.

[Usher]

Quote: professor

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

On it only to the nearest bridge with a low carrying capacity of 10-20 tons, and then either dive into the hole or wait for the ferry.

As with any well-protected armored vehicle. And for this there are engineering departments, CEP.

How you dishonor the owner of the avatar with your idiotic pearls.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

I also imagined what would happen to him when a 100 mm ATGM from a BMP-3 arrives at him

[Tamer]

If we assume the generally accepted maximum reservation parameter of the Namer is 800mm and the maximum armor penetration parameter of the Arcana is 750 mm, then, with a high degree of probability, nothing)) If we take into account the work of Trophy, then the defeat is even more unlikely. The name is a very specific armored personnel carrier, absolutely not massive

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

About 800 mm it looks more like advertising, I can't believe it somehow, I have to try.

[Usher]

This is in the forehead. Aft or side? No need to sculpt fairy tales here.

[Tamer]

Quote: Usher

This is in the forehead. Aft or side? No need to sculpt fairy tales here.

"Fairy tales" are molded for those who want to listen to "fairy tales", and not for those who are trying to delve a little deeper.
And about in the side or in the stern, but even in the roof, then in the introductory there were no conditions about the place of "arrival" of the Arkan, which must also be found in the stowage in the BMP-3 in the army. The presence of the Trophy was ignored. And if you delve even deeper, then the probability of penetration of 750 mm of armor by Arkan is known to you?))

[Usher]

Quote: Tamer

Quote: Usher

This is in the forehead. Aft or side? No need to sculpt fairy tales here.

"Fairy tales" are molded for those who want to listen to "fairy tales", and not for those who are trying to delve a little deeper.
And about in the side or in the stern, but even in the roof, then in the introductory there were no conditions about the place of "arrival" of the Arkan, which must also be found in the stowage in the BMP-3 in the army. The presence of the Trophy was ignored. And if you delve even deeper, then the probability of penetration of 750 mm of armor by Arkan is known to you?))

What trophy? Do you know when NUMBER was created? Trophy is a recent invention. There are ways now. To use KAZ for armored personnel carriers, I think it is excessive.

[Tamer]

Quote: Usher

What trophy? Do you know when NUMBER was created? Trophy is a recent invention. There are ways now. To use KAZ for armored personnel carriers, I think it is excessive.

And when was Namer created? )) And when was the Trophy created? And, most importantly, when was Arkan created? ))
You think that the KAZ is too much for the armored personnel carrier, and the Israelis believe that the KAZ for the armored personnel carrier Namer is necessary, and I think that you are biased.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: NDR-791

Quote: professor

Doesn't possess. It's like Zaporozhets endlessly modernize.

That's why you are still using the M-113. And nothing like that, don't complain

They stand in the storerooms, the reservists will sit on them when more modern armored personnel carriers run out in the event of a major war.

[rocket757]

It is noted that the process of improving and modernizing the BMP-3 will continue, the vehicle will be supplied to the troops for a long time.

... The car is classic for us. What you need.
And ... there is no limit to perfection!

[Krasnoyarsk]

= We plan to equip the BMP-3 with a power plant using the UTD-32T engine. It will be more powerful than its predecessor - it has 660 hp. This will allow you to start the engine faster, change its operating modes faster, and make the car more maneuverable =
I never knew that the more powerful the engine, the better it starts up and the faster it changes the operating mode.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Such a radical increase in power may only be needed to use the BMP as a tractor.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

an increase in power may only be needed to use the BMP as a tractor.

Or to install additional armor ....

[Zaurbek]

It is a pity that the version with the front MTO did not go into series. And we must think about strengthening anti-tank weapons. 100mm is frankly not enough.

[Roma 1977]

100 mm is what you need. She also shoots ATGMs through the barrel. Increasing the caliber will drastically make the car heavier, and you will have to completely redesign it. A simple barrel replacement is indispensable.

[Zaurbek]

100m was not enough already in the 90s to defeat the T90 head-on and the latest versions of the T72 and T80 ..... moreover, both the BOPS from MT12 and the cumulative and Pturs

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Roma-1977

100 mm is what you need. She also shoots ATGMs through the barrel.

We still will not give up the MT-12 "Rapier", because it can fire an ATGM ... none of the world's leading armies have any ATGM ..... we cannot saturate the ATGM army with equivalent Western counterparts, so we keep ptd in each division and ABR.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Zaurbek

It is a pity that the version with the front MTO did not go into series.

We started with it (BMP-1, BMP-2)

[Zaurbek]

And now everyone has returned ... it has entered the BMD ... in some special vehicles Yes ... it has not entered the BMP

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Zaurbek

And now everyone has returned ... it has entered the BMD ... in some special vehicles Yes ... it has not entered the BMP

And who decided this? I think they are not the people who had to travel in the troop compartment of the BMP-1 and BMP-3 - they know the difference between the places in the central part of the car and the places in the rear of the car.

[Zaurbek]

Probably there is some kind of statistics ... and statistics of what kind of hostilities are now going on (50 years) ...

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Zaurbek

Probably there are some statistics ...

Vehicle layout statistics?
When transferring troops, people inside the car can stay for hours, therefore, when building a car, you need to focus on comfort in movement, and not on embarkation and disembarkation, which takes seconds. Embarkation and disembarkation are important, but not so much as to make the layout of the machine based on this.
BMP-3, thanks to the rear engine, are well balanced, therefore, besides everything else (good forehead protection, smooth running, etc.), they behave well in water, unlike BMP-1 and BMP-2, which, when underloaded, burrow their nose.

[Zaurbek]

Not only in the Russian Federation there are developments in the BMP ..... and there are massive vehicles for large wars, there are trends in vehicles for local conflicts.
Now the main trend is with a diesel engine in the front and a ramp in the rear and good protection against blasting and resistance in the forehead about 30mm ...

[Nestor Vlakhovski]

When transferring troops, people inside the car can stay for hours, therefore, it is necessary to navigate when building a car for comfort in movement

you still have to figure out how tightness, torsion bar suspension and hard seats have a positive effect on the transportability of the landing in the car.

Embarkation and disembarkation are important, but not so much as to make the layout of the machine based on this.

This is probably why BMP 3 has no analogues in the world (literally!) with its layout. Even the Chinese did not copy it. All new Russian BMPs and armored personnel carriers are also human-made.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Nestor Vlahovski

.... torsion bar suspension

And why didn’t you please with the torsion bar suspension? They put it on Formula 1 cars, on the government Aurus, the rear suspension is torsion bar, our armored personnel carriers are on the torsion bar, and I have not met bad reviews for their smooth ride.

Quote: Nestor Vlahovski

All new Russian BMPs and BTRs are also human-made.

The TK for the BMP-3 was drawn up in those days when an organization still existed that coordinated the wishes of the military with production capabilities. Since the Serdyukov era, the TK was made up by managers. The opinion that the door should be in the ass is from them. Time will judge who was right.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Bad_gr

on the government Aurus, the rear suspension is torsion bar

Ops! wrong ... On the government ZIL-114 - front. I did not find confirmation on Aurus.

[Nestor Vlakhovski]

And the torsion bar suspension did not please you

the fact that it is wooden, shaking and rocks the car on the go.

She is put on machines of Formula 1

Still, the torsion bar suspension is the lightest and simplest.

on the government Aurus, the rear suspension is torsion bar

strange decision. Usually, torsion bars are installed only on cars of the economy segment due to their lightness, simplicity and low cost. Premium (rollers, Bentleys or Maybachs) completely hydropneumatic.

our armored personnel carriers are on a torsion bar, and on their soft travel

large diameter wheels with pneumatic tires absorb vibration, but wobble is still there, even on the BTR80

The TK for the BMP-3 was drawn up in those days when an organization still existed that coordinated the wishes of the military with production capabilities.

that's it. Not the BMP was created under the terms of reference, but the terms of reference were prescribed under the BMP, in order to somehow push into the troops this miracle, which was originally created as a support tank (in fact, it still is). Modern "managers" can smoke on the sidelines.
Further offtopic:
I had to serve until Serdyukov and I found all his reforms. The satisfaction of the servicemen under him increased significantly, supply and manning improved much, not just tinted, but new equipment went to the troops under him, it was Serdyukov who allocated money to develop everything that is now customary to frighten NATO soldiers.

[Tamer]

Quote: Nestor Vlahovski

it was Serdyukov who allocated money to develop everything that is now customary to frighten NATO soldiers.

"Blessed is he who believes" (c)

[Nestor Vlakhovski]

And here is faith. I am not retelling slogans from TV, but writing about what I saw with my own eyes, in which I took part in one way or another.

[Nestor Vlakhovski]

Those people who had to travel around the troop compartment of the BMP-1 and BMP-3 - they will not say a good word towards the BMP-3.
In the BMP-1/2, you can at least sit normally, and not crammed into the fighting compartment, like sprats in a bank.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Nestor Vlahovski

In the BMP-1/2, at least you can sit normally ...,

I do not argue that when she stands, you can sit. When it moves evenly, it’s the same. But in the convoy, the technique goes with acceleration and deceleration, in which the seats in the rear of the car walk up and down in a very wide range. And during hard braking, when the frontal sheet almost falls on the road, what is going on in the trooper?

[garri-lin]

It is necessary to alter the standard ATGM for the 100 mm cannon. Brain add a little to him. To remake the roof.

[Zaurbek]

To attack from above ...

[garri-lin]

You can leave the old one. Warhead for firing points to optimize. And new. A couple of pieces in BC. In case of meeting with a tank.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: garri-lin

It is necessary to alter the standard ATGM to the 100 mm cannon

Is it necessary? Maybe it is better to fix a pair of pipes with ATGM pipes on the tower?

[garri-lin]

Half measure. A couple of Cornets will add some firepower, though.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: garri-lin

Half measure.

An ATGM in a separate tube can be much larger, which means it has a better chance of dealing with an enemy than a 100mm ATGM.

[garri-lin]

ATGM itself is a morally outdated concept. It is long overdue to transform it into the UR of the battlefield. Modular. So that you can collect various options from Baby to Hermes according to your capabilities. And preferably a vertical start. But while the military-industrial complex will mature to such a point, you can carry ordinary Cornets in armored casings on the tower. Although their vulnerability will be high. Anyway.

[Azimuth]

Better ATGM detonates on the turret than in the fighting compartment.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

I am a little embarrassed in our BMPs by the impossibility of a regular way of driving leaning out like a driver or even higher up to the waist. For at least a few airborne shooters, an open ride is desirable for better visibility and ventilation. 2 or 4 sunroofs with liftable seats would be desirable.

[Castro Ruiz]

This is imitacia modernizacii. Vopros slabogo bronirovania nikuda neischez.
BMP-3M Dragun eto nastoyashchaya modernizacia no ey nebudet. I sadly.

[Azimuth]

Quote: CastroRuiz

This is imitacia modernizacii. Vopros slabogo bronirovania nikuda neischez.
BMP-3M Dragun eto nastoyashchaya modernizacia no ey nebudet. I sadly.

Once shown at exhibitions, it will be, but for a foreign customer.

[Castro Ruiz]

Nu da. How obichno dla inozakazchika.

[Azimuth]

Quote: Zaurbek

It is a pity that the version with the front MTO did not go into series. And we must think about strengthening anti-tank weapons. 100mm is frankly not enough.

Better normal 2A42 and ATGM, but for example AGS as in Berezhka.

[Kaw]

They would have been better off removing the 100mm cannon and replacing it with a powerful ATGM (Kornet). And the body of the car was turned so that the engine was in front, and a full-fledged and convenient exit for the landing from the rear. Since we have not been able to master the production of Kurgan residents.

[Usher]

Why don't you design tanks, my dear!

[Basarev]

This is bullshit, not modernization. Better to give at last a normal ramp, so that you can land like a human. The anti-mine bottom, the chairs suspended from the ceiling, the armor is finally normal - so that it can easily hold the thirty in the forehead and in the circle of the CPV ... That's what is needed, not these half-measures.

[Azimuth]

No money. Yes, and BMP in bulk, and the troops and the crews of the mother give birth.