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"Canos humiliation" or political pride: Europe cannot decide on the Russian vaccine

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Unarmed Europe


From the very beginning, the Europeans somehow went wrong with their own antikovid vaccine program. Employees of the world-famous Pasteur Institute in Paris at the end of January 2021 officially announced that they could not create their own vaccine against COVID-19. As it turned out, that vaccine is unable to induce an effective immune response in the body. This was revealed in the first phase of testing. And all would be fine, in medical science, such failures happen, but the Pasteur anticoid vaccine was the only one created in Europe. Another French vaccine from Sanofi is being investigated at preclinical stages, but it will have to wait at least until the end of the year. That is, on the eve of the expected third wave of coronavirus, the European Union found itself at a strategically very disadvantageous position.


Photo: press service of the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation

So far, Brussels has approved the use of four anticancer vaccines at once, none of which are 100% European. AstraZeneca is the fruit of a collaboration between the British and the Swedes, Moderns is from the United States, and Pfizer / BioNTech was developed by the Germans with the support of the American Pfizer. At the end of the second quarter of 2021, the fourth vaccine is expected, created by the Belgian Janssen Pharmaceuticals, which is the property of the American Johnson & Johnson. Naturally, all these companies are interested in such an extensive client base as the population of the European Union. But Europeans are not the only vaccine consumers on the planet, even if they are some of the most solvent.

Now in the Old World, a new wave of coronavirus incidence is flaring up, and the cause of this was the greed of Brussels. Even last year, the Europeans knocked out discounts on the American Moderna for a long time, which forced the manufacturer to put overseas buyers at the end of the list. Why waste time with a tight-fisted customer when everyone around is willing to pay more. For Europeans, the supply of 80 million doses of one of the world's best vaccines against coronavirus with a proven 95% effectiveness was disrupted. As a result, only 10 million doses of Moderna vaccine have now come from the United States. Another US manufacturer Pfizer, with whom it was agreed, delivered all the planned 66 million doses in the first quarter. However, things do not go further.

Pfizer is now shipping its vaccine to those willing to pay more. For example, Israel, which bought a batch of $ 25 per ampoule. For reference, the US buys from Pfizer at $ 20 per dose, and the Europeans at $ 15-19. The relationship between the Europeans and the manufacturer AstraZeneca was not easy. Brussels signed a contract for the purchase of 90 million doses of the British-Swedish vaccine AstraZeneca in the first quarter, but received only 30 million. The resulting deficit of 60 million is now very inappropriate - it could seriously hinder the formation of herd European immunity.


The European total lockdown may return. Largely because of the unreasonable position of the European Commission. Source: iamexpat.de

But Brussels not only wants to save money, but is also wary of the very theory of salvation from COVID-19 through vaccination. In Europe, there is a large proportion of the population skeptical about vaccines, and the leaders of the countries have to listen to them. For example, several EU countries have stopped vaccination with AstraZeneca due to the extremely unlikely risk of developing blood clots in the blood vessels. At the same time, there is no direct evidence of the effect of the vaccine on dangerous thrombus formation. In a situation where vaccines are in dire shortage in Europe, Germany, France, Italy, Ireland and several other countries are temporarily abandoning AstraZeneca. It is not surprising that the European public is being prepared for a new wave of COVID-19, new strains of the virus and new large-scale lockdowns.

Some sane Europeans still remembered the Russian Sputnik V vaccine and the Chinese Sinopham vaccine. And there are very good reasons for this. Currently, the vaccine from the Gamaleya Center has been approved in 50 countries around the world, and this is a population of almost 1,4 billion people. It is difficult to overestimate the financial and political dividends of Russia from the supply of the life-saving means to these countries. The European leadership also understands this, trying in every possible way to deal with COVID-19 on their own, without attracting help from Moscow. So far, as we can see, this is not very successful.

Hungarian precedent


The obstinate desire to ignore Russia's successes in vaccination can be called a new kind of chauvinism. Russia, which in the eyes of the average European official looks like a third world country that can only sell hydrocarbons and rattle weapons, suddenly found herself in the world biotechnology top with Sputnik V. An exceptional democratic European West in this stories found himself in the role of a catch-up. They do not want to believe, because it should not be so.

The first to decide to end their own exclusivity in Hungary. At the moment, according to the Hungarian Foreign Ministry, about 1,4 million citizens have been vaccinated with Russian and Chinese vaccines since February. This is a lot for a country with a population of 9,7 million. It cannot be said that this somehow drastically affected the incidence within Hungary, but in comparison with other European countries, the epidemiological situation has stabilized. Most likely, the reason was the vaccines purchased in Russia and China.


Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Siyjarto has already been vaccinated with Sputnik V. Photo: facebook.com/Szijjártó Péter

To be sure, Sputnik V in Hungary has caused the European Commission to be angry. Peter Siyjarto, head of the Hungarian Foreign Ministry, spoke about a powerful lobby opposed to the Moscow vaccine. Budapest has already flown in from Brussels for "wrong" care for its own citizens through "wrong" vaccines.

To all questions about the time of registration of "Sputnik V", the European Medicines Agency refers to the complicated registration procedure and the unwillingness to allow the vaccine on the European market so far. No one in the medical agency hears the requirements and requests for certification according to a simplified procedure. Apparently, they are preparing for a new large-scale quarantine.

Officials from European medicine are ready to put the Russian vaccine into production on their own territory only 12-14 months after the approval of the main regulator. Obviously, there is no talk of buying Sputnik V at all - only production is under its own control. The European Medicines Agency is stalling for time in anticipation of new mythical supplies from the UK, USA and a new vaccine from Johnson & Johnson. At the same time, they make it clear to Moscow that they do not trust it. The European sense of self-exclusivity in all its glory. In the best traditions of sanctions diplomacy, Manuel Macron recently accused Russia and China of unleashing a new type of global war based on "the desire of Moscow and Beijing to influence with the help of vaccines." The French leader has probably forgotten about the European Union's desire to influence Russia with the help of sanctions?

The voices of common sense


Despite the pressure of the anti-Russian lobby, voices of common sense are heard on the European continent. The lives of EU citizens are clearly dearer than the political ambitions of Brussels. With this message, the Norwegian publication Resett advises the European leadership to turn to Russia for help. An article on this topic in the Norwegian edition was called "The EU has been fooled in the fight for vaccine doses." More precisely, to be honest, you can't tell.

The Norwegians, however, warn that an appeal to Moscow with a request to sell the vaccine will look like Canossavandring. This term is already several hundred years old and its meaning is well understood in the countries of Northern and Western Europe. It is associated with the emperor Henry IV, who in 1077 with repentance went to Canossa to Pope Gregory VII to ask him to return to the bosom of the church. By the way, Gregory VII then allowed the disgraced emperor to lead the Holy Roman Empire again.


Exports of Sputnik V may become an important source of state revenue by the end of 2021. Source: click.ru

They echo the Norwegians in Germany as well. Health Minister Jens Spahn is confident that if a large batch of Sputnik V is not purchased in the very near future, Europe may not be able to cope with the third wave of coronavirus. Bavarian Prime Minister Söder Markus calls for the purchase of a Russian vaccine, which "in some cases is better than the vaccines that have already received approval." In Italy, Minister of Health Roberto Speranza was more diplomatic and offered to buy any antikidny vaccines, just to quickly ensure Europe's notorious herd immunity. And if Sputnik V is the vaccine, then so be it. Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz adheres to a similar point of view.

They are coming to an understanding of the need to purchase "alternative" vaccines even in the European Commission itself. Thierry Breton, responsible for the European internal market, gave a positive review of the vaccine and even proposed to release it in the EU. His words:

"Among the candidates (listed)" Sputnik V "," Sputnik V "is a good vaccine, because there are very good scientists in Russia."

Europeans showed their stinginess when they missed tens of millions of doses of the American vaccine Moderna. Bureaucratic delays and political conditions are becoming an obstacle to purchasing vaccines in Russia. It is likely that when the true price of such stubbornness reaches Brussels, all production facilities in Russia will be loaded with orders for the Sputnik V satellite.

And then Moscow will have to make a difficult decision and choose - whether to help build collective immunity in Europe or continue to vaccinate its own Russian population and not limit the sale of the vaccine to its long-term and reliable partners?
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  1. Alien From
    Alien From 30 March 2021 10: 10
    +12
    On the contrary, we need to ban the sale of our vaccines to Europe.
    1. prior
      prior 30 March 2021 10: 34
      +6
      The supply of Russian vaccine to Europe - only after the lifting of all EU sanctions, including the Nord Stream. Trade is trade like that!
      Europeans Lives Matter!
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 30 March 2021 11: 11
        +2
        Quote: prior
        The supply of Russian vaccine to Europe - only after the lifting of all EU sanctions, including the Nord Stream. To trade is to trade like that

        If everyone in the EU dies, who will we sell gas to? Another thing is if an EU country buys American LNG, then there you can distribute the "newcomer" in ampoules from under American vaccines ....
        1. prior
          prior 30 March 2021 11: 25
          +2
          "If everyone in the EU dies, who will we sell gas to? !"

          I remembered: "And we have gas in our apartment, what about you?"
          Yes, I don’t care if there will be gas in Europe or not. Let them buy American - super-democratic.
          Have you seen what remains in America after shale gas extraction? and how long will it last?
          Maybe the volume of gas on the planet is infinite?
          Will we leave at least something for the grandchildren? or desert and rusty gas pipelines?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 30 March 2021 11: 30
            0
            Quote: prior
            "And we have gas in our apartment, and you?"

            And we have a gas mask. Some for housing and communal services pay nevebinno.
            1. prior
              prior 30 March 2021 11: 35
              0
              This is a much more pressing issue than the vaccination of Europeans with Sputnik ..... yes
              Let's start with him ... angry
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 30 March 2021 11: 42
                +5
                Quote: prior
                This is a much more pressing issue than the vaccination of Europeans with Sputnik ..... yes
                Let's start with him ... angry

                Mordvin 3 (Vladimir) Some for housing and communal services pay neviebinno.

                This is all, of course, probably informative (I have an electric stove), but what does this have to do with the article under discussion and my comment? we are not at a rally, and you are not angry or distrustful members of the forum ...
                1. prior
                  prior 30 March 2021 11: 45
                  +2
                  We are white and fluffy. love
                  Just a sense of humor turned on before the sense of self-preservation lol
                  1. Lara Croft
                    Lara Croft 30 March 2021 11: 57
                    +1
                    Quote: prior
                    We are white and fluffy. love
                    Just a sense of humor turned on before the sense of self-preservation lol

                    Don't get sick and get vaccinated ...
                    1. Overlock
                      Overlock 30 March 2021 13: 26
                      +24
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      Don't get sick and get vaccinated ...

                      Does it help?
                      1. Lara Croft
                        Lara Croft 30 March 2021 14: 17
                        +1
                        Quote: Overlock
                        Quote: Lara Croft
                        Don't get sick and get vaccinated ...

                        Does it help?

                        I was ill that year. In the fall he was vaccinated against the usual flu. This year he was vaccinated against COVID-19.
                        And for what purpose are you anti-fussing ?.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 March 2021 10: 38
      +6
      Quote: Alien From
      On the contrary, we need to ban the sale of our vaccines to Europe.

      The point is not even a ban, but the fact that there are many dirty tricks in the West who can create a provocation and inflate the whole world that the Russian vaccine is more dangerous than Astra Zenica. That is, to lower the rating.
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 30 March 2021 10: 43
        +4
        From these devils it will become am
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 30 March 2021 10: 47
          +3
          Quote: Alien From
          From these devils it will become

          I don't even doubt it. Imagine what will happen if this vaccine is delivered to Poland? Although the people of Poland have nothing against "Sputnik", the State Department's squabbles, as always, will shit.
          1. Alien From
            Alien From 30 March 2021 10: 55
            +2
            Of course, you need a steady hand and a sober head!
          2. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 30 March 2021 19: 20
            0
            Quote: tihonmarine
            syavki gosdepovskie shit as always.

            That's all European "freedom" and "democracy": ordinary people are dying from the coronavirus, they want to be vaccinated with the safest vaccine - and the "state department", to please the owners, slow down the registration of the vaccine and its use with all its might!
            1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
              Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 30 March 2021 23: 37
              -2
              > common people are dying of coronavirus

              Is there anything to say about excess mortality in the Russian Federation in 2020, or is the heart bleeding only for the EU?
    3. Civil
      Civil 30 March 2021 10: 49
      -4
      An excellent vaccine, by the way, my wife took root. And I still have a high titer of antibodies. As soon as they begin to decline - immediately for vaccination. Anti-vaccines should be struck in their rights, except for those who have contraindications.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 30 March 2021 11: 56
        +6
        Quote: Civil
        Anti-vaccines should be struck in their rights, except for those who have contraindications.

        Why are you so us? The vaccine is "cloudy", even today it has not passed the full cycle of tests. The media screams about mass vaccination, but so far about 3% of the population is vaccinated. Is it massiveness?
        In addition, the bunker grandfather of the type was vaccinated, but for some reason secretly, without a personal example, and an unknown vaccine. A muddy topic. The people do not believe in the vaccine, at my enterprise there are more than 600 people, a little more than a dozen have been vaccinated. The rest wrote a refusal (forced to write).
        Further, in our "fair" kingdom, the state should not hope for an honest publication of the facts of the side effects of the vaccine, in contrast to Europe. You yourself know that. So the ratio of risks from vaccination and risks from covid is in a very thick fog. hi
        1. Civil
          Civil 30 March 2021 12: 55
          0
          So the ratio of risks from vaccination and risks from covid is in a very thick fog.

          Vaccine Technology - A Hundred Years Lunch:
          The first vaccine got its name from the word vaccinia (cowpox) - a viral disease of cattle. In 1796, the English physician Edward Jenner first applied the smallpox vaccine to the boy James Phipps, obtained from a cowpox patient [47]. Almost 100 years later (in 1876-1881) Louis Pasteur formulated the main principle of vaccination - the use of weakened preparations of microorganisms to form immunity against virulent strains.
          Hundreds of millions of lives have been saved by vaccination.
          And not in vain, the most terrible diseases such as measles, polimelitis, remained only in underdeveloped countries such as Pakistan, Samoli, etc. But measles outbreaks in Ukraine are the result of degradation and the work of anti-vaccines.
          The higher culture and science, where sanitation and medicine always win
          1. bk0010
            bk0010 30 March 2021 21: 33
            +2
            Quote: Civil
            Vaccine technology - a hundred years at lunch
            So, we do not confuse vaccines in general and the covid vaccine. Now we have arranged a race, they may miss something. It’s even worse if they don’t miss it, but add something wrong (for example, the Americans with Pfizer decide to sterilize the Europeans at the same time, but no one will check, they will immediately begin to vaccinate, and then it will be too late). Afraid, in short.
          2. vic02
            vic02 April 2 2021 12: 52
            0
            Vaccine technology - a hundred years at lunch
            Do not confuse vaccines for polio, measles, rubella, etc. with what is offered from covid. New vaccines are genetically engineered. These are actually synthesized new viruses.

            At the same time, no manufacturer dared to take any responsibility for possible side effects. By taking this vaccine, you have actually agreed to participate in a statistical study. How dangerous the disease is to be vaccinated, everyone decides for himself. In addition to covid, there are many dangerous diseases for which genetically engineered vaccines are now being developed. Maybe you also want to participate?
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 30 March 2021 13: 27
        +28
        Quote: Civil
        Anti-vaccines should be struck in their rights, except for those who have contraindications.

        Smells like segregation! Maybe all vaccinated in the "red zone"?
        And so already ...
        1. Civil
          Civil 30 March 2021 14: 07
          0
          Smells like segregation! Maybe all vaccinated in the "red zone"?
          And so already ...

          OK. A child of anti-vaccine patients brought polio or measles to kindergarten except for his "colleagues" and children who, according to medical indications, cannot be vaccinated. Who is to blame for the outbreaks of these 4 world diseases?
          Case number two, an anti-vaccine tourist flew to Zanzibar and brought malaria, infected his family, doctors and died in intensive care. Why should innocent people get sick from the ignorance of anti-vaccines.
          Why should normal people suffer for idiocy and medieval traditions alone?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 30 March 2021 15: 30
            +1
            Quote: Civil
            Why should normal people suffer for idiocy and medieval traditions alone?

            So they are vaccinated, are they normal? wink
            1. Civil
              Civil 30 March 2021 16: 00
              0
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              So they are vaccinated, are they normal?

              Not everyone who is not allowed to eat, there are those who have expired vaccinations, there are those who do not drive to Zanzibar) and they do not have to inject from malaria, yellow fever)
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 30 March 2021 17: 47
                0
                I agree about vaccinations before traveling to exotic countries, but not about the rest. Why should I use drugs if someone doesn't follow the deadline? request
                By the way, all my children are not vaccinated, and according to subjective observations, we get sick less often. hi
                1. Civil
                  Civil 31 March 2021 06: 32
                  0
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  By the way, all my children are not vaccinated,

                  This is up to the first case, then there will be groans and accusations of everyone and everything. Go to any children's infectious diseases clinic, see how the children have a hard time getting sick and dying because of ignorance, and for the frequent laziness, of parents.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 31 March 2021 11: 14
                    +2
                    Before my decision, I studied the topic in detail, and comparing the risks, I made a decision. So if something happens, the responsibility is only on me, I understand that.
                    Understand that under the Soviet Union all vaccines were ours, whole institutes worked on them, and no one put the necessary side effects into them. Now the Ministry of Health is sold like a street girl, and more than half of the vaccines are imported. About 15-20 years ago, they caught the head of a polyclinic somewhere in the Urals region, she, for a bribe from a French pharmaceutical company, vaccinated children with an experimental vaccine. The plot was on the central media.
                    I am sure that if the French had brought it higher and more, everything would have worked.
                    I am not against vaccination in general, I am against it as it is now. The effect of the vaccine on a person is very individual, but no one takes this into account. I have a personal example that a child became disabled after DPT. hi
          2. vic02
            vic02 April 2 2021 12: 59
            0
            A child of anti-vaccine patients brought polio or measles to kindergarten except for his "colleagues" and children who, according to medical indications, cannot be vaccinated.
            You are absolutely wrong. The kindergarten, as an institution, is obliged to adhere to certain policies based on legislation. That is, a set of vaccinations or immunity indicators must be determined, which must be met in order to take advantage of the right or the opportunity to visit a children's institution. And parents should have a head on their shoulders.
    4. Flooding
      Flooding 30 March 2021 10: 55
      +8
      Quote: Alien From
      On the contrary, we need to ban the sale of our vaccines to Europe.

      Why?
      Europeans will buy an alternative.
      Perhaps not worse than the Russian one.
      The Russian manufacturer will not receive the currency.
      Europeans will not agree on a good opinion about Russian vaccines.
      The dominance of negative news about Russia will continue in the European media.
      What is so good about it? And for whom?
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 30 March 2021 10: 59
        -1
        Can not be forced.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 30 March 2021 11: 02
          +3
          Quote: Alien From
          Can not be forced.

          that's what we are talking about, that not by force, but by good
      2. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 31 March 2021 17: 41
        0
        I read and I feel strange. On the one hand, you have a high percentage of infected:


        And the vaccinated part of the population is small:


        And you also do not have production facilities and part of Sputnik is produced in South Korea and China and exported to Russia.

        And in Europe there are 52 vaccine production plants with a capacity of 2021 million doses by the end of 860.

        So I don’t understand why you don’t vaccinate your own population first, as they do in the EU, where the export of vaccines has been banned, but want to sell Sputnik in the EU and where not? This is strange for an outside observer.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 31 March 2021 17: 57
          +1
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          So I don’t understand why you don’t vaccinate your own population first, as they do in the EU, where the export of vaccines has been banned, but want to sell Sputnik in the EU and where not? This is strange for an outside observer.

          reasonable question
          perhaps the inner need is fully satisfied
          because vaccination is not compulsory, but voluntary
    5. Victor Tsenin
      Victor Tsenin 30 March 2021 20: 45
      0
      The United States, for example, could well have done this, but this is not at all reasonable, because good money, respect and gratitude from EU citizens, and so on, are much more valuable than quarrelsomeness and other negative moments.
  2. No name B
    No name B 30 March 2021 10: 10
    0
    Do you have production capacities of the required volumes in Russia? I read somewhere that there is a lot of stress with bioreactors for making a vaccine.
    Interestingly, at least a third of the population is ready to inject themselves with a vaccine now? After all, at least 2 more years are needed to complete the full cycle of tests, in Europe they came up with an emergency permission for the vaccine, as an exception, here the vaccine against astrozeneca and jerked with side effects ...
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 30 March 2021 10: 34
      +5
      Quote: No name B
      and jerked with side effects ...
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 30 March 2021 10: 49
        +1
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        and jerked with side effects ...

        But about the Nobel Prize with a photo, I have no doubt that it will be awarded to specialists from Faizer.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 30 March 2021 11: 06
          +1
          Quote: tihonmarine
          will be awarded to specialists from Faizer

          AstraZeneca vaccine is out of competition! The authors are British scientists! wassat
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 30 March 2021 12: 48
            +3
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            AstraZeneca vaccine is out of competition! The authors are British scientists!

            But how it is being crammed in the European Union by compulsion, and what kind of propaganda is going on, up to the point that those who are not vaccinated will be fired from their jobs. What to do with it if the EU has already paid.
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 30 March 2021 13: 21
              +1
              Quote: tihonmarine
              it is crammed in the European Union

              There are many side ailments from her, including fatal ones ...
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 30 March 2021 14: 33
                0
                Quote: Uncle Lee
                There are many side ailments from her, including fatal ones ...

                From my acquaintances vaccinated by this "vakhtsin" I know about side effects, though at least there were no lethal outcomes.
              2. bk0010
                bk0010 30 March 2021 21: 35
                0
                Quote: Uncle Lee
                There are many side ailments from her, including fatal ones ...
                Well, not that much, but the side effects are extremely unpleasant.
      2. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 30 March 2021 22: 49
        +1
        The American flag is especially touching here. Considering that the Americans have 3 vaccines, and they have much fewer problems with raw materials and personnel than the rest.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 March 2021 10: 35
      +5
      Quote: No name B
      Do you have production capacities of the required volumes in Russia?

      And here the Russian facilities, the vaccine can be produced in any country with the capacity, just like Faizer, produces a vaccine in Belgium and other countries.
    3. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 30 March 2021 10: 51
      0
      They are on the side of darkness. And there will be a vaccine immediately if necessary.
    4. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 30 March 2021 11: 34
      +2
      Quote: No name B
      here is the vaccine for astrozeneca and jerked with side effects ...

      Three enterprises where I worked were destroyed under Putin.
  3. Niko
    Niko 30 March 2021 10: 18
    +8
    Officials really do not look very smart. And normal people got tired of these games already. I live in Germany, and here, despite the general strong mistrust of vaccination, Sputnik enjoys the support of the press and the government (in words, at least) and probably because of this many of the " ordinary people "are very aggressively interested in:" why are we not given the opportunity? "
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 March 2021 10: 42
      +7
      Quote: Niko
      I live in Germany, and here, despite the general strong mistrust of vaccination, Sputnik enjoys the support of the press and the government

      In Estonia, the Russian-speaking population opposes vaccination with Western vaccines, and support Sputnik. It's easier for us, took a bus and drove to Ivangorod, Kingisepp, Peter, which many do.
      1. Niko
        Niko 30 March 2021 11: 01
        +6
        I got sick back in October, so vaccination is a theoretical topic for me, but the "people" really got sick of the political games of Brussels against the background of a general depression. Moreover, Angela's "Mutti" (mommy probably in Russian) said last week or the week before last: "The European Commission does not want to buy it ourselves
      2. alexmach
        alexmach 30 March 2021 11: 42
        +4
        It's easier for us, took a bus and drove to Ivangorod, Kingisepp, Peter, which many do.

        And here, please enlighten me, because now you can't just enter Russia now, for this you need some reason, you can freely only with a Russian passport, or am I wrong?
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 30 March 2021 12: 31
          +1
          Quote: alexmach
          And here, please enlighten me, because you can't just enter Russia now.

          You are right only with the Russian and LBG, with the European passport is impossible.
  4. samurai_klim
    samurai_klim 30 March 2021 10: 18
    +4
    I have already been vaccinated for the first time. The second one is on April 9th. I can say that the record is simply huge - more than 700 people are queuing up for vaccination in our town. And there are three such queues - by risk group, through the portal of state services, by phone. People want to get vaccinated - there is not enough vaccine
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 30 March 2021 10: 31
      +3
      I also stuck it for the first time .. My wife already twice. Family companion twice. I did not notice much pandemonium, the people are not very torn. But if you take into account that many people have been ill in a year, I think that half of the population will get immunity in one way or another.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 March 2021 10: 44
      +1
      Quote: samurai_klim
      I can say that the record is simply huge - more than 700 people are queuing up for vaccination in our town.

      I also injected on March 25, and the second time I will be on May 6, but with us it is easier, everything goes through the family doctor.
    3. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 30 March 2021 10: 53
      0
      If it would be as you say the question would be closed in one fell swoop to which hundreds of examples. They immediately open new points and increase supplies.
    4. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 30 March 2021 11: 46
      -1
      Quote: samurai_klim
      I have already been vaccinated for the first time. The second is on April 9th. I can say that the record is simply huge - more than 700 people are queuing up for vaccination in our town.

      Why are you persecuting? Are they queuing up? Chatterbox..
  5. Alex66
    Alex66 30 March 2021 10: 24
    +3
    Most of all, vaccination is confused by the speed, they do not give a chance to change their minds and advertising comparable to MMM, Khoper-Invest, the Russian House of Selenga. Still embarrassed by the government's concern after the adoption of the retirement age, VAT, toughened technical inspection, where did such love suddenly come from?
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 30 March 2021 10: 32
      0
      Quote: Alex66
      Most of all, vaccination is confused by the speed, they do not let them think again, and advertising comparable to MMM, Khoper-invest, Russian House

      It's just that the medical problem has become political. And in politics all methods are good, even if they are not clean.
      Quote: Alex66
      embarrassed by the government's concern after the adoption of the retirement age, VAT, toughening of technical inspection, where does such love suddenly come from?

      Is this a banter? Give examples of this love - there are none.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 30 March 2021 11: 59
        +7
        Quote: Silvestr
        Is this a banter? Give examples of this love - there are none.

        He meant how the government actively enforces vaccinations, calling it a concern.
    2. Ren
      Ren 30 March 2021 10: 34
      +4
      Quote: Alex66
      Still embarrassing concern of the government after the adoption of the retirement age, VAT, toughening of technical inspection, where does such love suddenly come from?

      The country needs a healthy and working population up to 65/60 years old, paying taxes, and not being in hospital. repeat
      Nothing personal - it is better to be healthy and rich than poor and sick. hi
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 30 March 2021 10: 52
        +1
        Quote: Ren
        It's nothing personal - it's better to be healthy and rich than poor and sick.

        Nothing personal, but you will also become 70 years old someday.
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 30 March 2021 12: 10
        +5
        Quote: Ren
        The country needs a healthy and working population up to 65/60 years old,

        Why, then, the reduction in medical costs and the growing import of palm oil every year? wink
        In my opinion, everything is going according to the plan "Ost", and in the best traditions of the wishes of Margaret Thatcher.
      3. New Year day
        New Year day 30 March 2021 12: 55
        +1
        Quote: Ren
        Nothing personal - it's better to be healthy and rich than poor and sick

        Not realizable! Here is Spiegel rich, but no health. And if you eat poor quality food and breathe God knows what, where does your health come from?
        1. your1970
          your1970 30 March 2021 14: 35
          +1
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: Ren
          Nothing personal - it's better to be healthy and rich than poor and sick

          Not realizable! Here is Spiegel rich, but no health. And if you eat poor quality food and breathe God knows what, where does your health come from?

          I know a bum - who lives in a dugout, eats every two or three days, and drinks all sorts of rubbish such as denatured alcohol and varnish ...
          Where does health come from?
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 30 March 2021 17: 02
            0
            Quote: your1970
            I know a bum

            This example has always baffled me for 40 years!
            You operate on a bum, in the stomach is full of crap, he is a goner and he recovers! And quite a decent person, with not worn out health, and the disease is not the most hopeless, but is dying request
            1. your1970
              your1970 30 March 2021 18: 45
              +1
              He fell asleep in the fall of last years with his head in a puddle several times, the hat fell off and he frozen head and hair into a puddle. I helped him cut off his hair from ice a couple of times ... Moreover, he has been leading this way of life since 1983 - he was sitting, he either drank his passport or stole it, now he has no citizenship, no passport, no pension, no policy, .. .. any normal person would have died a long time ago, he does not care
  6. Ren
    Ren 30 March 2021 10: 28
    +10
    It would be prudent for the Russian government to allow "vaccine tourism" for EU citizens, setting an acceptable price of about 200 euros for vaccination with Sputnik V (a visit to a doctor in Europe costs about 150-180 euros). Probably, many EU citizens would prefer to fly to Russia and get vaccinated with Sputnik. This would not only give a kick to European politicians in the form of public opinion in favor of allowing the use and deployment of production of Sputnik V in the EU countries, but would also significantly replenish the state budget. Our citizens, in turn, looking at foreigners, would begin to get vaccinated much more willingly. If Russia has developments and technologies that no one else in the world has, then why not use it even more commercially reasonable, with a state approach and a planetary scale?
    hi
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 30 March 2021 10: 55
      +3
      And who banned it?) Thousands of different journalists, bloggers and others have already hit the road and described everything)))
    2. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 30 March 2021 11: 01
      0
      Quote: Ren
      Our citizens, in turn, looking at foreigners, would begin to get vaccinated much more willingly.
      The reluctance of citizens to get vaccinated is most often associated with the not very good organization of this case. For example, in our village there are about 40000 residents, and there is only one vaccination site. Of course, you can go to the central hospital, but the situation is the same there - there are too few points where these vaccinations are given, and few people want to sit in queues with, perhaps, sick people.
    3. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 30 March 2021 11: 39
      +2
      Quote: Ren
      If Russia has developments and technologies that no one else in the world has, then why not use it even more commercially reasonable, with a state approach and a planetary scale?

      Due to the fact that the political component was brought to the fore.
      It is possible that Sputnik is the best vaccine. On August 11, it was announced. And all the information was classified instead of being officially registered with the EMA.
      At Putin's request, Israel was ready to manufacture it, but there was no approval from either the EMA or the FDA.
      Only on March 4, a request was made to the EMA for a permit. But time and faith in the drug is lost. It is clear that many countries, with a permit, would buy everything in the bud. And at this time, not to look for buyers in third world countries, but to vaccinate your population, And at such a pace the pandemic will not end soon, the wave that today in European countries will reach Russia.
      Vaccination schedule in Israel at the top and Russia at the bottom.
      In Israel, 78% of the adult population is vaccinated.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 30 March 2021 12: 44
        0
        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
        In Israel, 78% of the adult population is vaccinated.

        Well done, you won’t say anything. Although 10 million is easier to vaccinate than 140 million, and the territory of Russia is simply huge to cover in one fell swoop, and to produce a vaccine for everyone. Although people "giving birth" children need to think before vaccination.
        I really did the first injection, I already "do not give birth" to children. I chose the least of two evils.
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 30 March 2021 13: 16
          +1
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Although 10 million is easier to vaccinate than 140 million, and the territory of Russia is simply huge to cover in one fell swoop, and to produce a vaccine for everyone

          This is a schedule for 100 people, and 100 in any country is 100.
          The question is different.
          What is the goal set by the country's leadership and the correct use of the carrot and stick.
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 March 2021 12: 37
      +1
      Quote: Ren
      Probably, many EU citizens would prefer to fly to Russia and get vaccinated with Sputnik.

      While entry to Russia from the EU has been terminated, even foreign student students are not allowed in Russian educational institutions. And if they are allowed, then after the first injection you need to fly in for the second injection, it will be a little expensive.
  7. sergo1914
    sergo1914 30 March 2021 10: 28
    +4
    Something like this
  8. New Year day
    New Year day 30 March 2021 10: 29
    +1
    All vaccines are raw, yet. Improvement required. The question of its effectiveness against constantly changing strains of the coronavirus is relevant. There is a lot of information in the press about the side effects and complications of foreign vaccines, but in our opinion, it is silent. And they are. Therefore, physicians for the most part avoid vaccinations.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 30 March 2021 10: 49
      +6
      Therefore, physicians for the most part avoid vaccinations.

      And nobody asks them. Everything is voluntary and compulsory. For what they get caught, they inject there. In general, I myself am without any enthusiasm for any vaccination, but covidlo is already really sick of it .. Besides, in the Soviet Union virology, including military, was ahead of the rest of the planet, and I strongly hope that at least in this area effective managers did not have time to do everything finally optimize .. Soviet scientists have a very impressive list of various vaccines tested over the years and in demand all over the world. Avon - how our people saved Japan from polio. And in the USSR, thanks to total vaccination, they destroyed a lot of previously raging diseases ..

      So if we are really injecting it is better than ours. Which I did.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 30 March 2021 12: 58
        -1
        Quote: paul3390
        And nobody asks them.

        Are you talking about our hospital? Offered, received shock and silence
        Quote: paul3390
        Everything is voluntary and compulsory. For what they get caught, they inject there.

        What a stupidity.
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 30 March 2021 10: 57
      +1
      Sylvestrushka, dear, I doubt that Putin was injected with the Kremlin version of "Sputnik-V". And when you want to live ... There, on the outskirts, they are injected with a vaccine for livestock, and they are not at all embarrassed that it is from parasites. Oh yes, prYuwet Sylvester.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 30 March 2021 12: 58
        -1
        Quote: sabakina
        Putin was injected with the Kremlin version of "Sputnik-V".

        Hi! hi
        I doubt this fact at all request
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 30 March 2021 13: 00
        -1
        Quote: sabakina
        on the outskirts, they are injected with a vaccine for livestock, and they are not at all embarrassed that it is from parasites.

        In the 90s, we also injected patients with veterinary gentamicin for the lack of human-it helped! laughing
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 30 March 2021 14: 38
        0
        Quote: sabakina
        There, on the outskirts, they are injected with a vaccine for livestock, and they are not at all embarrassed that it is from parasites.

        In Rwanda, too, the same vaccine is injected. Who likes what.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 March 2021 10: 58
      +2
      Quote: Silvestr
      All vaccines are raw, yet. Improvement required. The question of its effectiveness against constantly changing strains of the coronavirus is relevant.

      You, as a person of medicine, know more about this than we know. And everyone knows that it is impossible to create a serum in one year, therefore, we went along the path of creating genetically modified drugs that do not give immunity. There is only Vector serum and one Chinese serum.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 30 March 2021 13: 00
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        You, as a person of medicine, about this more than we know

        Because .... bye .. dangerous
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 30 March 2021 13: 03
          +3
          Quote: Silvestr
          Because .... bye .. dangerous

          Husband's words.
        2. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 30 March 2021 13: 41
          0
          Quote: Silvestr
          Because .... bye .. dangerous

          And which is more dangerous, a vaccine or a crown?
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 30 March 2021 14: 40
            +1
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            And which is more dangerous, a vaccine or a crown?

            If you want to give birth, then it's dangerous. And people like me are no longer dangerous, karona is much more dangerous.
            1. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 30 March 2021 16: 13
              0
              Quote: tihonmarine
              If you want to give birth, then it's dangerous.

              The question is which is more dangerous.
              The death of a 45-year-old pregnant woman was pronounced at Soroka Hospital in Beer Sheva. infected with the coronavirus.
              The patient was 39 weeks pregnant, the fetus did not survive.
              According to doctors, this woman, who was in critical condition, was delivered by an ambulance. They tried to revive her. But doctors were soon forced to ascertain the death of the woman and the fetus.

              A 22-year-old resident of the city of Rakhat Nokha Abu Siam died at the Soroka hospital in Beer Sheva. A young woman who did not have any background diseases, contracted the coronavirus during pregnancy. Childbirth took place by caesarean section, and after the operation, the woman's condition deteriorated sharply. The child was tested and found that he was not infected.
              In Israel, pregnant women are recommended to be vaccinated.
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 30 March 2021 16: 39
                0
                Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                In Israel, pregnant women are recommended to be vaccinated.

                Recommendations, not yet conclusions about the safety of this drug (this is not a serum) slurried for a short time, whereas the normal period is about 5 years. Only time will tell what came out of this invention. And I personally would not risk the health of the child.
                1. Vitaly gusin
                  Vitaly gusin 30 March 2021 22: 40
                  0
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  And I personally would not risk the health of the child.

                  And here I am, the whole family, and all our friends were vaccinated.
                  Everyone makes a decision personally, as you can see from the examples above, these are only two cases, and unfortunately these are not isolated ones, and there were no violations of nature from the use of the vaccine. And what will happen in tens of years. no one knows and will not know because there are hundreds of thousands of diseases and from what they occur, no one knows. But already today there is statistics on the increase in total mortality by country, and in this increase, the effect of the virus is certainly.
                  In Israel, the increase in mortality for the whole of 2020 compared to the trend of 2015-2019 is 4,6%, if we count from the beginning of March to the end of 2020 - 7,3%.
                  In Russia, it is 19,8% per year, and since March - 24,2%.
                  Great Britain - amounted to 14,5% and since March - 18,9%.
                  In Sweden - 11,6% and 15,1%, respectively.
                  In France - 8% and plus 11,7%.
                  In Germany, the overall mortality rate for the year increased by 3,4% and since March - by 5,7% ",
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 30 March 2021 23: 15
                    0
                    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                    and from the use of the vaccine there were no violations of nature.

                    I'm not talking about childbirth, it will go well. I do not know what will happen to children and grandchildren, what the consequences may be. And I don't know, but nobody knows either.
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 30 March 2021 17: 08
            0
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            And which is more dangerous, a vaccine or a crown?

            If from the point of view of a hypothesis, then the probability of infection in crowded places exists and no one knows the% of this probability and what the outcome will be. During vaccination, the genome of the virus is introduced into the body, i.e. infection is deliberately and Hope for immunity. Life has already shown that this Hope was not justified for some
            1. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 30 March 2021 22: 15
              0
              Quote: Silvestr
              Life has already shown that this Hope was not justified for some.

              In theory, you are right, but in practice, 6129 people died without a vaccine in Israel, but not a single one from the vaccine.
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 30 March 2021 23: 19
                0
                Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                In theory, you are right, but in practice, 6129 people died without a vaccine in Israel, but not a single one from the vaccine.

                At this stage, this is a great achievement of Israeli medicine. It is at this stage.
          3. bk0010
            bk0010 30 March 2021 21: 41
            +2
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            And which is more dangerous, a vaccine or a crown?
            It depends on whom. Some die from the crown. I didn't even know that I was sick until I passed the analysis for admission to the object.
  9. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 30 March 2021 10: 36
    +1
    With the collective immunity of Europe, judging by the article, it is a matter of seams.
    I hope that the situation with such in Russia is more favorable. For herd immunity, at least 60% of the adult population will need to be vaccinated.
    Vladimir Vladimirovich said last week:
    "In general, in Russia, 6,3 million people have already been vaccinated with the first component (of the drug), of which 4,3 million are fully vaccinated, that is, they received the first and second components of the vaccines."
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 30 March 2021 11: 37
      +1
      With the collective immunity of Europe, judging by the article, it is a matter of seams.

      And if you judge not by article but by statistics?
    2. Liam
      Liam 30 March 2021 13: 14
      -1
      Quote: A. Privalov
      With the collective immunity of Europe, judging by the article, the case is seams

      You have been on the site long enough not to know the level of reliability of the local "articles"
    3. Overlock
      Overlock 30 March 2021 13: 32
      +20
      Quote: A. Privalov
      With collective immunity

      What kind of beast is this?
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 30 March 2021 15: 43
        0
        Quote: Overlock
        Quote: A. Privalov
        With collective immunity

        What kind of beast is this?

        "Herd immunity", also known as "population immunity", is an indirect protection against an infectious disease that occurs due to the development of immunity in the population either as a result of vaccination or as a result of a previous infection.
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 March 2021 14: 43
      +2
      Quote: A. Privalov
      For herd immunity, at least 60% of the adult population will need to be vaccinated.

      You know, the "chuyka" works better for the people than for the government and many "scientists".
      But when politicians and journalists act in the role of "doctors", then the thought immediately comes - "they are not."
    5. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 30 March 2021 22: 56
      +1
      Quote: A. Privalov
      “In general, in Russia, 6,3 million people have already been vaccinated with the first component (of the drug)

      How many percent is it, 4? And in Norway with this "kenos humiliation" how much? eleven? Very interesting.
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 30 March 2021 10: 38
    +2
    The voices of common sense
    Common sense, common sense, where oh, where is common sense ??? In geyrope, he is tight with him, there are very separate responsible persons.
  11. iouris
    iouris 30 March 2021 10: 40
    +5
    "Canossa" is not humiliation, but repentance.
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 30 March 2021 11: 08
      +1
      Quote: iouris
      "Canossa" is not humiliation, but repentance.

      This is in the case of an appeal to the Pope, and when to the Patriarch of all Russia - humiliation. yes
  12. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 30 March 2021 11: 15
    +2
    Wealthy states will somehow sort out the vaccination of their populations. The problem is with the poor now.
    WHO has approached the UN with an initiative to allocate a billion doses to underdeveloped countries. And then the difficulties began.
    If you do not give them the vaccine, they will scream that they are being killed.
    Give for free - they will yell that they are being tested.
    To give for money - they will yell that they are making money on them.
    Amazing creatures - wherever you kiss, everywhere the buttocks!
    1. bk0010
      bk0010 30 March 2021 21: 42
      0
      Quote: A. Privalov
      And then the difficulties began.
      Since they are still screaming, then there is nothing to spend money.
  13. thinker
    thinker 30 March 2021 11: 21
    +1
    several EU countries have stopped vaccination of AstraZeneca
    Already invented an "ingenious" workaround yes
    AstraZeneca now changes its name to "Vaxzevria". The name change does not entail any other changes,

    https://www.lakemedelsverket.se/sv/nyheter/astra-zenecas-vaccin-byter-namn-till-vaxzevria
  14. alexmach
    alexmach 30 March 2021 11: 35
    +3
    The article is wonderful, but in "unarmed Europe" the percentage of vaccinated people is now greater than in Russia. And although they did not create their own vaccine in Europe, they nevertheless produce and export it in Europe, while they export to third countries even more than they use themselves, about which they are very indignant.
    1. Motorist
      Motorist 30 March 2021 19: 50
      0
      Quote: alexmach
      in "unarmed Europe" the percentage of vaccinated now is more than in Russia

      In Germany, so far only those over 80 are vaccinated; the rest smoke in line. We have everyone.

      Ab dem 15. Februar 2021 beginnen die Corona-Schutzimpfungen im Impfzentrum für alle anderen Menschen, denen die Schutzimpfung mit höchster Priorität zusteht. Die erste Gruppe sind unter anderem Menschen über 80 Jahre.

      Source: one of the local sites.
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 30 March 2021 20: 12
        0
        In Germany, so far only those over 80 are vaccinated; the rest smoke in line

        We, too, will only be ready to offer vaccinations to everyone by the end of April. It makes sense that one approach is different.

        Current vaccination statistics as of 28.03.2021 (Germany)
        Population 83 983 thous.
        Number of vaccinated 8 994 965 10,71%
        Fully vaccinated 3 877%
        Total vaccinations 12 872 859

        Well, they report that 10% of the population have received at least one dose today. How many people are vaccinated in Russia? Bigger or Less? And who, then, is defenseless? Recently, in the coronavirus news, I read that 57 companies in Europe produce vaccines today.
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 30 March 2021 22: 59
          +1
          Quote: alexmach
          Number of vaccinated 8 994 965

          Quote: Motorist
          In Germany, so far, only those over 80 are vaccinated.

          How many veterans there are in Germany.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 30 March 2021 23: 06
            0
            Vryatli is up-to-date information. In addition, in addition to the elderly, in the first wave, doctors, policemen, firefighters are usually vaccinated, we also have teachers and even gas station workers - for some reason they were also considered critical for the functioning of society.
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 30 March 2021 23: 33
              +1
              Quote: alexmach
              Vryatli is relevant information

              What information? That the Germans found somewhere Wehrmacht veterans for 9 million vaccinations, which have been made to date? Against about 7 million made in Russia? You are right, this is not easy to believe.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 30 March 2021 23: 43
                0
                That only people over 80 are vaccinated. We also started with old people, but with vaccination, 14% of the population this month already offer vaccinations to everyone over 60. I am not a big connoisseur of the age structure of the population, maybe the Germans have older people a little more, but not so much.
                Well, besides, as I said, in addition to the elderly, it is necessary to vaccinate doctors and other people critical to society ..

                And the question of who to vaccinate in the first place is strange. It is still necessary to vaccinate 65-70% of the population. And who is the first, well, the question is good - people of active age spread the infection faster. Old people suffer more from it and are much more likely to need hospital treatment, much more likely to have a severe course of the disease and death. And the more seriously ill patients, the greater the burden on the entire medical system as a whole and the harder it is for the whole society. Here in Estonia, in hospitals, the places allocated for coronavirus patients are almost exhausted. There was already news that tired doctors killed one patient who went to doctors with a banal appendicitis. Thank God, the number of new infections is gradually decreasing, which means that the number of patients in hospitals will soon decrease.

                In Russia, where, as they say, there is a super rush and queues for vaccination, it is not quite logical to vaccinate everyone. In Europe, where the next peak of the epidemic is raging, especially like ours, and where it is still possible to drive people to vaccinate in an organized manner, as probably in Germany, it is quite logical first of all to save the medical system from overload in general, no matter what happens like in Italy.
                1. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine 31 March 2021 00: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: alexmach
                  That only people over 80 are vaccinated.

                  It seems that I speak too hard. Naturally, this is bullshit.
                  Quote: alexmach
                  whatever happens in Italy.

                  Well, what happened in Italy is not an easy question. And with priority, it seems like more or less consensus. Firstly, the vaccine protects very well against a severe course of the disease and just from hospitalization. Worse from asymptomatic, transmissible disease. Therefore, first of all, of course, it is necessary to inject risk groups, here is humanism and a decrease in the number of hospitalizations. Then people who are not far away and work with people - doctors, salespeople, etc. Then the first thing to open schools for teachers and students, it is impossible to fully study remotely. Then who will stay.
                  1. Liam
                    Liam 31 March 2021 07: 10
                    +1
                    Quote: Cherry Nine
                    Well, what happened in Italy is not an easy question.

                    The same as in Spain, France, the World Bank, the USA and further (almost) everywhere. Just 2-3 weeks earlier than the rest, and therefore got the media "fame".
                    PySy With vaccination - all the same average European 10%.

                    9 million doses for 60 million population. First vaccinated all health workers, then staff and hospice guests, then the police, firefighters, teachers, prisoners))) and 80+ year olds, now -70+ and further in order of age. By July ( if the suppliers do not pump up again) according to the plans there will be 70% of vaccinated, by September, by the opening of schools, everyone, including children. Today, they are vaccinated at 200-300 K per day. From mid-April, when J. and J-500 will begin to arrive. K per day.
                    PyPySy Most of all in% in Europe were vaccinated in WB. Firstly, they started a couple of weeks earlier in mid-December. Secondly, they went the other way. They decided to vaccinate as many people as possible with the first dose and postponed the second dose-colitis after 2 months after the first instead of 3 weeks like the rest. In principle, everything is at the same level in% of the population. Except for the USA, which vaccinate 2-3 million per day and have already exceeded 200 million doses
                    1. Cherry Nine
                      Cherry Nine 31 March 2021 08: 05
                      +1
                      Quote: Liam
                      Just 2-3 weeks earlier than the rest, and therefore got the media "fame".

                      Well, at first there really was some kind of game going on. The action "hug a Chinese", all these strange stories. By the way, no one answered for this, as far as I know.
                      Quote: Liam
                      Central European 10%.

                      The EU, let's say, large EU countries keep in a tight group. But here it is really funny - the Hungarians are right that in the countries that are not covered by the care of Brussels, like the Serbs or the World Bank, by the way, or love to spit on the European plate, like the Hungarians themselves, they have settled much better. True, Sweden did not stand out here, the same about 10%.
                      1. Liam
                        Liam 31 March 2021 08: 35
                        +1
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        some game

                        I am afraid that the creation of the pen of newspapers which cannot be read at night is more than reality. The main indicators (mortality per 100.000) do not differ from the average for the hospital.
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        Hungarians are right

                        Orban is a rather peculiar "democrat." But if you leave the propaganda inherent in such democrats and look at the numbers, then on March 24, 2021 in Hungary (despite all the Russian / Chinese vaccines), 1 million people out of 1,6 were vaccinated with the 9,8st dose, 15 million of the population. 195%, which is not so dense. Mortality from COVID is one of the highest in the world-100.000 per 175. In Italy-164, in the USA-8. Today the virus gallops in them-9.000-10 infected per day. In 60 million countries. In the same Italy with 15.000 million-XNUMX now.
                      2. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 31 March 2021 08: 46
                        +1
                        Quote: Liam
                        The main indicators (mortality per 100.000) do not differ from the average for the hospital.

                        Two times higher than German, one third higher than Swedish.
                        Quote: Liam
                        leave the propaganda inherent in such democrats

                        I'm not ready to talk about the unreliability of Hungarian statistics now.
                        What about vaccination
                        https://koronavirus.gov.hu/cikkek/magyarorszagra-erkezett-vakcinak-tipusa-es-mennyisege-8
                        It's not bad with vaccinations in general.
                      3. Liam
                        Liam 31 March 2021 10: 12
                        +1
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        Twice higher than German, one third higher than Swedish

                        The Germans are a special case compared to everyone else. As for Sweden, there is no need to compare the incomparable. Sweden has one and a half large cities. The rest of the inhabitants are scattered here and there among the lakes and taiga. Different size and overcrowding of the population. Compare Sweden with Norway, Finns and Denmark. And the results will be deplorable by the way
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        What about vaccination
                        https://koronavirus.gov.hu/cikkek/magyarorszagra-erkezett-vakcinak-tipusa-es-mennyisege-8

                        And where is the number of those vaccinated?)
                      4. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 31 March 2021 10: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: Liam
                        Compare Sweden with finns and denmark Norway and the results will be deplorable by the way

                        How interesting. Why exactly with them? Spain is a very crowded country, are you sure?
                        Quote: Liam
                        And where is the number of vaccinated

                        In the first paragraph.

                        In general, of course, the history of the EU - when European officials, having knocked out a 5-euro discount, pushed the entire EU to the end of the queue and paid for this 5-euro discount with lockouts and thousands of lives - is absolutely enchanting and requires, of course, executions.

                        They won't.
                      5. Liam
                        Liam 31 March 2021 13: 41
                        +2
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        ... Why exactly with them?

                        Similar geography, demography, etc.
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        Spain is a very crowded country, are you sure?

                        Estessno. Find metropolitan areas in Sweden at the level of Madrid, Barcelona, ​​Valencia and more.
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        In the first paragraph

                        és már több mint 1,8 million
                        as of March 24, 2021 in Hungary (despite all the Russian / Chinese vaccines) 1 million people out of 1,6 million of the population were vaccinated with the 9,8st dose. 15%, which is not so much


                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        pushed the entire EU to the end of the queue and paid for this 5 euro discount with lockouts and thousands of lives

                        I'm afraid this is from the same newspapers as about hug the chinese
                      6. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 31 March 2021 14: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: Liam
                        Sweden has one and a half large cities. The rest of the inhabitants are scattered here and there among the lakes and taiga. The population is different and crowded. Compare Sweden with Finland and Denmark. And the results will be deplorable by the way.

                        You have listed the countries whose results are an order of magnitude better than the European average. As I understand it, the difference between Finland and Italy is purely in geography, and between Finland and Sweden - in the anti-people policy of Sweden? By the way, is it in Denmark, perhaps, a low population density?
                        Quote: Liam
                        1,6 million people out of 9,8 million population. 15%, which is not so dense

                        This is a 2-fold difference in relation to the EU, it seems. By the way, 1,6 / 9,8 = 16,3%
                        Quote: Liam
                        I'm afraid this is from the same newspapers as about hug the Chinese.

                        And the Chinese wasn't actually hugged or what?
                      7. Liam
                        Liam 31 March 2021 15: 29
                        +1
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        You have listed the countries whose results are an order of magnitude better than the average European

                        That's right. Better precisely because of demographic and geographic characteristics, and not because they worked an order of magnitude better than Italy, Fragment, Poland, Belgium or the World Bank. They took the same measures as the continents. And the Swedes together in order to keep pace with their neighbors and have their indicators, they began to do nonsense and killed a bunch of people. If they shoot someone, the officials of the Swedish Ministry of Health. If they had the population and geography of Italy and other large countries, they would have created a holocaust in absolute terms with their approach. So Sweden- an example of how NOT to do in this case.

                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        This is a 2-fold difference in relation to the EU, it seems. By the way, 1,6 / 9,8 = 16,3%

                        ))) 16% vs 11% of the average European. This is definitely not
                        It is especially funny in the case of Hungary - there the vaccination rate is under 20% for the second component and under 40% for the first, one of the best in the EU

                        For full vaccination (2 doses), the European average is 129 per 1000 people, 130 in Italy, Hungary-180, and Malta is the leader in the EU (317). Estonia is also in the lead)
                        As you can see, there is a direct relationship with the population size.
                        Hungary serves as an advertisement (probably not for free) you know to whom as the only decent country agreed on this. And then continuous Guatemala with Burmania were on the list. Scanty several hundred thousand doses for a small population so that the% would look decent. It is impossible to repeat such a trick with a country with a population of 60-70-80 million due to the lack of vaccine in marketable quantities, and a hundred thousand doses will look minuscule and there will be no advertising / political exhaust
            2. alexmach
              alexmach 31 March 2021 09: 06
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              Today, the virus gallops in them - 8-9.000 infected per day. 10 million in the country

              Come on
              252.11 per 100 thousand population in 14 days. Not even bad at the current European level. Which gives 10 million less than 2000 a day.

              PS: but no, I was mistaken, I looked at the wrong figure 1145.70 sick for 14 days per 100 thousand - indeed Hungary is among the "leaders".
  • alexmach
    alexmach 30 March 2021 20: 15
    +1
    In Europe, problemma is a certain mess among numerous bureaucrats. In Russia, there is a lack of production capacity.
    1. Motorist
      Motorist 30 March 2021 20: 32
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      Our people did not go on their own, at least in large numbers (in February, I don’t know now). And even in spite of this, more than 4 million people are fully vaccinated (Vicki writes, on 22.03). As for the production capacities, it looks like they are still covering the demand.
  • pytar
    pytar 30 March 2021 11: 37
    +2
    Unfortunately, even such topics as life, health, vaccines and drugs are politicized! Not only in the West, but also in Russia! This article is not an exception!


    From the very beginning, the Europeans somehow went wrong with their own antikovid vaccine program. Employees of the world-famous Pasteur Institute in Paris at the end of January 2021 officially announced that they could not create their own vaccine against COVID-19 ... Now, at the preclinical stages, another French vaccine from Sanofi is being investigated, but it will have to wait at least until the end of the year ...

    Here the author is clearly not in the know or speculating. The Pasteur Institute cooperates with a whole group of countries, including Russia! The apparent slowness of development is caused by the fact that we are talking about another type of broad-spectrum vaccine, which should act on all mutations of covid, and should also provide immunity for several years! By the way, the Russian vaccine of the Institute of Biomedical Systems and Technologies in St. Petersburg is being created in cooperation with the Pasteur Institute, and it represents exactly this type of vaccine!

    At the moment, Brussels has approved the use of 4 anticancer vaccines at once, none of which are 100% European. AstraZeneca is the fruit of a collaboration between the British and the Swedes, Moderns is from the United States, and Pfizer / BioNTech was developed by the Germans with the support of the American Pfizer. At the end of the second quarter of 2021, the fourth vaccine is expected, created by the Belgian Janssen Pharmaceuticals, which is the property of the American Johnson & Johnson.

    These are multinational companies, it is normal for them to work together with departments from different countries and in cooperation. This speeds up the development process and shortens the time frame.

    To all questions about the time of registration of "Sputnik V", the European Medicines Agency refers to the complicated registration procedure and the unwillingness to allow the vaccine on the European market so far. No one in the medical agency hears the requirements and requests for certification according to a simplified procedure.

    All companies go through the same certification procedure! The application is submitted by the manufacturer or his authorized representative! The Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF) has applied for the registration of the Russian vaccine against the coronavirus COVID-19 "Sputnik V" in the European Union at 20th of January 2021!
    https://rg.ru/2021/03/04/nachalas-ekspertiza-vakciny-sputnik-v-dlia-ee-registracii-v-es.html
    The author could ask! Sputnik 5 is certified within a time frame no longer than all other vaccines! At least 5-6 other manufacturers have submitted applications!

    And then Moscow will have to make a difficult decision and choose - whether to help build collective immunity in Europe or continue to vaccinate its own Russian population and not limit the sale of the vaccine to its long-term and reliable partners?

    Here the question is: What is more important? Life and health of its citizens or loot? They are going to make good money on Sputnik 5! Loot is most likely more important, so don’t blame someone else!
    1. pytar
      pytar 31 March 2021 08: 59
      0

      https://news.mail.ru/society/45764203/?frommail=1
      Germany announced the criteria for evaluating the vaccine "Sputnik V"
      The Russian Sputnik V coronavirus vaccine is undergoing standard testing at the European Medicines Agency (EMA). The EMA began an examination of the Sputnik V registration dossier on 4 March. This is the first step in a process that could lead to EU-wide approval of the vaccine. An EMA spokesman told Reuters that a decision on possible approval could be made in May.
  • Boromir1941
    Boromir1941 30 March 2021 14: 15
    +2
    to start with this vaccine, you need to provide your
  • Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 30 March 2021 20: 42
    0
    Their choice is not rich, Le Monde is broadcasting that negotiations between the EC and the Russian Federation will begin in the very near future. Obviously, it makes no difference that there is a tube of Macaron and similar humanoids pressing out of itself, the situation is not good.
  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 30 March 2021 23: 23
    +4
    Unfortunately, the vaccination in the EU, in addition to the proliferation of Euro-burtkrat, has included such countries as Russia and China in the question. These countries have two characteristics in relation to vaccination.

    1. Their authorities owe nothing to their own people. Therefore, at extremely low levels of vaccination within the country (both the Russian Federation and the PRC are vaccinated with the first component at the level of 4-5% against European 10), they are engaged in geopolitical games. It is especially funny in the case of Hungary, where the vaccination rate is under 20% for the second component and 40% for the first, one of the best in the EU. Including the second component of the Sputnik, 553 thousand people have already injected themselves, about 5% of the population, that is, in Hungary Percentage of Satellite Received (and this is the third most injected vaccine in Hungary) higher than in Russia.
    2. The topic of vaccines is accompanied by propaganda pumping. In particular, in the same Hungary, the main vaccine (1,3 million vaccinated) is Pfizer, but no one is trying to pass it off as a big favor from the American people and personally from Comrade Trump. And the topic of Chinese and Russian vaccines is accompanied by pig scandals of the biased press on the topic of political priorities.

    The life of the European bureaucrats did not prepare for both. Let's see how they will get out.
  • Lister
    Lister 31 March 2021 01: 31
    +6
    Europe cannot decide on the Russian vaccine

    These are their problems with choosing a vaccine. And we must think and help our own citizens.
  • NF68
    NF68 31 March 2021 16: 53
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    It seems that in France and Germany the issue of the Russian vaccine has been resolved positively. Otherwise, Merkel and Macron would have begun to agree on the production of Sputnik V at home this summer.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 31 March 2021 19: 44
    0
    Gee. Some are screaming - we are dying, others are screaming - well, breathe ... what a split? laughing laughing
  • Decimalegio
    Decimalegio April 7 2021 14: 03
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    I've never read so much nonsense at once. There is no withdrawal of Russian vaccines in Europe. You must follow the procedures just as you must follow the Russian procedures for the sale of suppositories in Russia, at the same time you must follow the European sales procedures in Europe. In fact, as user Pitar also explained, the evaluation of the EMA satellite vaccine is ongoing. Moreover, there is a collaboration between the Italian Institute of Infectious Diseases and the Gamaleya Institute for testing and studying the Russian vaccine https://www.inmi.it/comunicato-a-firma-congiunta-inmi-l-spallanzani-e- hamaleya-institute .html ...
    As for the Astrazeneca vaccine, it is a safe vaccine like all other vaccines. All drugs can cause adverse reactions in some subjects. Read the package insert for aspirin and you will see the reactions it can cause, but it is sold and used. You should stick to numbers, not emotionality. If on Monday you give a glass of orange juice to 6 million people, then by next Thursday a certain number of people may die for various reasons, we can say that orange juice is to blame ???. Facts are not propaganda
  • Decimalegio
    Decimalegio April 21 2021 21: 24
    +1
    director general of the Italian drug agency (Aifa) Nicola Magrini, interviewed at 24 AM on Radio 24.
    As for the Sputnik vaccine, “I'm glad there is another vaccine to be evaluated,” he points out. “The so-called rolling review of Ema is ongoing and the production quality assessment was postponed at their request in late May, early June. and it is likely that in June the dossier will be complete and therefore valued. "