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"As part of building up combat capabilities": Shoigu announced the creation of new airborne regiments

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"As part of building up combat capabilities": Shoigu announced the creation of new airborne regiments

The Russian Ministry of Defense has decided to deploy new airborne assault units of the Airborne Forces. This was stated by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.


Speaking at the collegium of the Ministry of Defense, the head of the military department announced the creation of a third airborne assault regiment in Pskov, as well as reformatting the 56th airborne assault brigade into an airborne assault regiment deployed on the Crimean peninsula.

As part of building up the combat capabilities of the troops this year, it is planned to complete the deployment of the third airborne assault regiment of the 76th division in Pskov, by the end of the year to reorganize the 56th airborne assault brigade into the 56th airborne assault regiment with a permanent base in Feodosia

- said Shoigu, adding that the Airborne Forces have reached a new level of "prompt response to threats to military security."

Currently, an airborne assault battalion of the Airborne Forces is stationed in the Crimea in Feodosia, and the 56th brigade is deployed in the city of Kamyshin in the Volgograd region.

Note that since 2019, the Ministry of Defense has been carrying out a large-scale reform of the Airborne Forces in order to create modern rapid reaction forces while maintaining a very high mobility and degree of combat readiness. As part of the modernization, starting next year, airborne battalions will be formed as part of the units and formations of the Airborne Forces, the main means of delivery for which will be helicopters. Companies of unmanned aerial vehicles are being introduced into the Airborne Forces, new types of equipment are being adopted and weapons.
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  1. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 25 March 2021 15: 55
    +23
    Shoigu announced the creation of new airborne regiments
    And rightly so!
    1. figwam
      figwam 25 March 2021 15: 57
      +30
      Now it is clear why new BTA shelves are being created.
      An integral part of the Airborne Forces is the Il-76.
      1. Orkraider
        Orkraider 25 March 2021 16: 16
        +16
        Welcome
        hi
        Yes, for these tasks and will increase the production of new aircraft.
        And thank God that at the beginning of 2008, they did not make a decision to reassign overland and reform according to tough options, cutting everything .. and then in the period 2010 -2013 to defend again.

        Chronology.
        2008
        at the very beginning of the military reform in 2008, these elite troops were not going to spare. Moreover, it was reported that as part of the reform of the Airborne Forces, a directive was signed, according to which, by December 1, 2009, every fourth to fifth officer from the combat units and formations, as well as units of combat and logistical support of the Airborne Forces, was to be reduced. By the same date, the 106th Airborne Division was to be disbanded.


        2010
        The Ministry of Defense and the General Staff of the Russian Federation decided to reduce the combat and numerical strength of the Airborne Forces by about half. It is planned to disband two out of four divisions, began reassigning and reducing a number of services and educational institutions


        2013
        thanks to the actions of former paratroopers in politics, and specifically the hero of the Chechen war, the famous General Vladimir Shamanov, it was possible to return to the Airborne Forces three airborne assault brigades (11th, 56th, 83rd) and 242nd training (sergeant) center, previously transferred to the Ground Forces.


        2014
        Full-time repair units have been recreated in the airborne forces


        2015
        Expansion of airborne divisions to three-regimental composition announced


        2021
        We see the fulfillment of plans and new horizons.
    2. Gato
      Gato 25 March 2021 16: 16
      +29
      It is not clear only why 56 dshbr should be reformatted into a regiment?
      In general, the guys are probably as happy as elephants with the relocation from Kamyshin to Feodosia laughing
      1. figwam
        figwam 25 March 2021 16: 25
        -31%
        Quote: Gato
        Why reformat 56 dshbr into a regiment?

        The brigade is smaller than the regiment, respectively, the larger the unit, the greater the number of tasks it is capable of solving.
        1. Gato
          Gato 25 March 2021 16: 25
          +36
          A brigade less than a regiment

          Someone tricked you
          1. figwam
            figwam 25 March 2021 16: 31
            +1
            Quote: Gato
            Someone tricked you

            I confused the regiment with the division)
            Maybe they want to form a new division from a brigade in Crimea?
            1. Gato
              Gato 25 March 2021 17: 03
              +5
              to form a new division?

              It is very similar, otherwise what is the point of switching to a regimental structure.
              1. ammunition
                ammunition 27 March 2021 15: 05
                0
                Quote: Gato
                to form a new division?

                It is very similar, otherwise what is the point of switching to a regimental structure.

                To get a good soldier, you need 1.5 years of intensive training. And it is necessary ... that it was a conscript, otherwise it is difficult to apply rigid forms of training.
                Maybe a contract enrollment is planned? .. Otherwise, these divisions will be ineffective. What do you think?
          2. Doliva63
            Doliva63 25 March 2021 17: 38
            +4
            Quote: Gato
            A brigade less than a regiment

            Someone tricked you

            And the airborne assault regiment is even less.
        2. Victor Tsenin
          Victor Tsenin 25 March 2021 16: 31
          -6
          Within the limits of reason, too large a unit a priori has less manageability and efficiency.
          1. Gato
            Gato 25 March 2021 16: 42
            +10
            efficiency

            The issue is controversial. A regiment is a tactical unit, and a brigade is a tactical unit that has its own brigade appendicitis and is therefore capable of acting independently
            1. Victor Tsenin
              Victor Tsenin 25 March 2021 16: 46
              0
              Perhaps that is why the brigades are very suitable for the Airborne Forces, and the shelves for a single organism of the RF Army? I started from the experience of mechanized corps and others like them, i.e. from erection to the absolute and the corresponding disadvantages.
              1. Gato
                Gato 25 March 2021 16: 51
                +6
                As always, everything depends on the specific theater of operations and the tasks to be solved: somewhere it is more convenient to use a more compact brigade, and somewhere a division is more suitable - albeit more cumbersome, but capable of solving a much wider range of tasks. By the way, in the USSR, the Airborne Forces included divisions, and the airborne brigade is an "invention" of the ground forces, originally planned to land from army aviation helicopters and often not having helicopter units in their composition. They were transferred to the Airborne Forces only in 13 year.
                1. NKT
                  NKT 25 March 2021 17: 28
                  +3
                  I read somewhere that the first air assault brigades (ovshbr) began to be created from scratch in the late 60s, after the Dnieper-67 exercises.
                  Three brigades were created based on soldiers and officers from the districts, but officers from the Airborne Forces were appointed to the positions of VDS specialists. By the end of 1971, they were all renamed oshbr. In the late 70s, the second wave began and 8 odshbr of district subordination and 20 odshb were formed.
                  Yes, you are right, they were subordinate to the Civil Command, but in 1989 the process of transferring them to the subordination of the Airborne Forces began.
                  1. Lara Croft
                    Lara Croft 25 March 2021 17: 57
                    +2
                    Quote: NKT
                    Yes, you are right, they were subordinate to the Civil Command, but in 1989 the process of transferring them to the subordination of the Airborne Forces began.

                    Depriving the VO commanders of the mobile reserve ...
                2. Eug
                  Eug 27 March 2021 07: 41
                  0
                  In the USSR Armed Forces, DShBists had red infantry collar tabs with airborne emblems. The border guards in the DShMG had green border buttonholes, but also with landing emblems.
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 27 March 2021 10: 50
                    0
                    Quote: Eug
                    In the USSR Armed Forces, DShBists had red infantry collar tabs with airborne emblems.

                    I have not seen this in the airborne assault brigade and the battalions of the districts, because they wore the usual uniform of the Airborne Forces. This could only be in divisional reconnaissance battalions, and even then only in one company.
                    1. Eug
                      Eug 29 March 2021 20: 08
                      0
                      My friends - a classmate and a year's senior neighbor in the porch - came on vacation in 82-83. with such buttonholes (red with landing emblems). According to them, both served in the DShB, one is in Hungary, the second I do not remember where. I remembered it because I was very surprised.
            2. figwam
              figwam 25 March 2021 17: 06
              +3
              It turns out that this brigade was formed in 2009 from the regiment, it turns out now back, very strange.
              1. Sanya Terek
                Sanya Terek 25 March 2021 23: 53
                +2
                Quote: figvam
                It turns out that this brigade was formed in 2009 from the regiment, it turns out now back, very strange.

                56 Guards oshbr was formed much earlier.
                The 56th Separate Guards Airborne Assault Order of the Patriotic War Don Cossack Brigade was formed on the basis of 351 Guards. PDP 105 Guards. airborne division on November 30, 1979 in the village. Azadbash (district of the city of Chirchik), Tashkent region of the Uzbek SSR.
                In December 1979, the brigade was introduced to Afghanistan and became part of the 40th Combined Arms Army.
                After fulfilling its international duty, on June 12-14, 1988, the brigade was withdrawn to the city of Yolotan of the Turkmen SSR.
                In 1990, the brigade was transferred to the Airborne Forces and reorganized into a separate Guards Airborne Brigade.
                In 1997, the brigade was reorganized into the 56th Guards Airborne Assault, Order of the Patriotic War I degree, Don Cossack Regiment, which became part of the 20th Guards Motorized Rifle Division.
                On May 1, 2009, the 56th Guards Airborne Assault Regiment again became a brigade.
          2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 25 March 2021 22: 17
            +2
            This is how they "justified" for the "refusal" to form tank corps at the beginning of the Second World War. For example, M.E. Katukov, who, in 41st, having withdrawn the remnants of the tank division from the encirclement, received "in return" a brigade (later earning the title of the 1st Guards Tank Division).
            And when the production of tanks (and tankers) was adjusted, then not only the corps were returned, but whole tank armies began to be created.
        3. kenig1
          kenig1 25 March 2021 16: 44
          -1
          The brigade consists of separate battalions that are capable of independently performing assigned tasks.
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 25 March 2021 19: 17
            0
            Quote: kenig1
            The brigade consists of separate battalions that are capable of independently performing assigned tasks.

            So it was in the beginning. Then they did "as always" (.
        4. Doliva63
          Doliva63 25 March 2021 17: 02
          +6
          Quote: figvam
          Quote: Gato
          Why reformat 56 dshbr into a regiment?

          The brigade is smaller than the regiment, respectively, the larger the unit, the greater the number of tasks it is capable of solving.

          The Soviet airborne assault brigade had about 500 more people in the staff than the SMR - not much, but more, because it consisted not of 3 battalions, but of 4. But the difference is that the SMP operates as part of a division (and has a lot from it), and the ODShBr is separate from its troops, but has 2-3 helicopter regiments as cover and support. I had in the past, I mean. Judging by 35 ODshBr.
          1. not main
            not main 25 March 2021 22: 55
            +1
            Quote: Doliva63
            but it has 2-3 helicopter regiments as cover and support. I had in the past, I mean. Judging by 35 ODshBr.

            I don’t know about the 35th Airborne Assault Brigade (I have not personally encountered it), but the 11th and 13th Airborne Assault Brigades are "twins" and had two helicopter regiments in their composition. 1 OBVP, two Mi-24 squadrons and one Mi-8, 2 OTVP, two Mi-8 squadrons and 5 Mi-6 squadrons in addition to the VZPU and later modifications.
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 27 March 2021 20: 58
              0
              Quote: non-primary
              Quote: Doliva63
              but it has 2-3 helicopter regiments as cover and support. I had in the past, I mean. Judging by 35 ODshBr.

              I don’t know about the 35th Airborne Assault Brigade (I have not personally encountered it), but the 11th and 13th Airborne Assault Brigades are "twins" and had two helicopter regiments in their composition. 1 OBVP, two Mi-24 squadrons and one Mi-8, 2 OTVP, two Mi-8 squadrons and 5 Mi-6 squadrons in addition to the VZPU and later modifications.

              The brigades were of different states, yes. But why am I? Everything has already been tried and tested. What is Shoigu's know-how, I did not understand. Lavras of Varennikov do not give rest?
        5. Gennady Bogdanov
          Gennady Bogdanov 26 March 2021 05: 01
          0
          He said, however ...
      2. Konstantin Gogolev
        Konstantin Gogolev 25 March 2021 16: 42
        +4
        In the shelf - 3, 4 baht. In the brigade - probably not limited (in 46 OBRON VV RF in 2003 - 13 Baht (over 10.000 fighters).
        The composition of the 56th OGDSB: a reconnaissance battalion (mainly on the BTR-82), an airborne assault battalion on a BMD-2, an airborne assault battalion on a BMP-2, an airborne assault battalion on UAZ vehicles.
        56 OGDSB does not have heavy weapons - the so-called. "light brigade". I suppose they plan to add Octopus.
        Who knows, they never got a turntable?
        In 2012, the article was not bad
        https://topwar.ru/10094-56-ya-desantno-shturmovaya-brigada-boevaya-tehnika-i-podgotovka.html
        1. Gato
          Gato 25 March 2021 16: 59
          +7
          56 OGDSB does not have heavy weapons

          Come on, howitzer artillery battalion and tank company are light weapons?
          1. Konstantin Gogolev
            Konstantin Gogolev 25 March 2021 17: 54
            +3
            I don't know about a tank company, but there is a howitzer artillery division. I agree. Found info.

            But infa for 2015.
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 25 March 2021 18: 34
              0
              Quote: Konstantin Gogolev
              I don't know about a tank company, but there is a howitzer artillery division. I agree.

              According to the WIKI as part of the 56th Air Assault Brigade. - 3 dshb, 1 pdp, rb, hell, tr ... after being transferred to the Crimea, where there is already one dshb, one dshb will be thrown out of the brigade, and pdb and rb will cut their mouth ...
              The DShP in Crimea is needed for the mobile defense of the coast and for the possible release of our two SMR in the PMR ...
        2. Doliva63
          Doliva63 25 March 2021 19: 21
          +1
          Quote: Konstantin Gogolev
          In the shelf - 3, 4 baht. In the brigade - probably not limited (in 46 OBRON VV RF in 2003 - 13 Baht (over 10.000 fighters).
          The composition of the 56th OGDSB: a reconnaissance battalion (mainly on the BTR-82), an airborne assault battalion on a BMD-2, an airborne assault battalion on a BMP-2, an airborne assault battalion on UAZ vehicles.
          56 OGDSB does not have heavy weapons - the so-called. "light brigade". I suppose they plan to add Octopus.
          Who knows, they never got a turntable?
          In 2012, the article was not bad
          https://topwar.ru/10094-56-ya-desantno-shturmovaya-brigada-boevaya-tehnika-i-podgotovka.html

          BB should not be compared with SA. Different tasks, different approach. Just look at the state of the 35th Guards, for example.
      3. ccsr
        ccsr 25 March 2021 18: 26
        +1
        Quote: Gato
        It is not clear only why 56 dshbr should be reformatted into a regiment?

        This reduction in the framework of reforming the armed forces - they just let a fog, and nothing more.
        But in this case, this is a reasonable step, since the regiment will be cut off from the division, where, as I understand it, he entered, and therefore he needs to have everything for complete autonomy when operating as part of the Southern Military District.
        Quote: Gato
        In general, the guys are probably as happy as elephants with the relocation from Kamyshin to Feodosia

        Most likely, they will be placed in the Old Crimea (Pervomayskoye), where the 10th special forces brigade was stationed, and there are remnants of infrastructure.
        1. Gato
          Gato 25 March 2021 19: 20
          +1
          Pervomaiskoe

          On Karagoz? Interestingly, there is still something preserved besides the strip? The last time I was in those places (Privetnoe) in 2008 was still under the government, it was a sad sight
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 25 March 2021 19: 24
            +1
            Quote: Gato
            The last time I was in those places (Privetnoe) in 2008 was still under the government, it was a sad sight

            Yes, everything was ditched there long ago, but perhaps it will simply be easier to resolve issues with the allocation of land for a military unit. And it is closer to the Dzhankoy airfield from there, although it hardly exists now.
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 25 March 2021 19: 45
              +19
              Quote: ccsr
              The Dzhankoy airfield is closer from there, although it hardly exists now.

              It exists as the main one in the north of Crimea: air defense + helicopter regiment
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 26 March 2021 11: 26
                0
                Quote: Overlock
                It exists as the main one in the north of Crimea: air defense + helicopter regiment

                This makes me happy. But earlier there were transport workers there, as far as I remember, so the runway there is probably a decent one, if you have kept it.
          2. Overlock
            Overlock 25 March 2021 19: 45
            +22
            Quote: Gato
            Interestingly, there is still something preserved besides the strip?

            Nothing. Local Aboriginal auto racing only
        2. Overlock
          Overlock 25 March 2021 19: 44
          +20
          Quote: ccsr
          and there are remnants of infrastructure.

          there is nothing left, ruins. Their localization is different, not Pervomaiskoe.
        3. vitvit123
          vitvit123 25 March 2021 20: 32
          0
          Please tell me, where did the 10th OBRSPN go?
          1. Gato
            Gato 26 March 2021 00: 00
            0
            Please tell me, where did the 10th OBRSPN go?

            They gave the APU. First, 1 special operations department, then it was renamed into 3 special operations department. Fights in Donbass.
            1. vitvit123
              vitvit123 26 March 2021 09: 55
              0
              Your comment is not entirely clear .. ie. 10 obrspn died in battles in Ukraine (please explain)?
              And there were regiments in the brigade (special operations forces)?
              1. Gato
                Gato 27 March 2021 09: 32
                0
                We can say that she died. Instead of the brigade, a separate regiment was formed, but this time the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
                In a brigade, there are usually no regiments, and specifically in the brigade there were detachments, not battalions, which, incidentally, are the same eggs in profile.
        4. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 26 March 2021 01: 12
          -1
          Quote: ccsr
          Most likely, they will be placed in the Old Crimea (Pervomayskoye), where the 10th special forces brigade was stationed, and there are remnants of infrastructure.

          Most likely, the DShP will be located in Feodosia, where the previously formed DShB is already located.
          By the way, under the Union in the Crimea, there were never any airborne forces, the uncle said in a "zombie box" ...
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 26 March 2021 11: 30
            0
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Most likely, the DShP will be located in Feodosia, where the previously formed DShB is already located.

            Perhaps it will be so, but the regiment with the equipment occupies much more area, so if they are placed in Feodosia, then most likely somewhere near the city, because the city itself is small and there are hardly any free territories there.
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 26 March 2021 12: 08
              0
              Quote: ccsr
              Quote: Lara Croft
              Most likely, the DShP will be located in Feodosia, where the previously formed DShB is already located.

              Perhaps it will be so, but the regiment with the equipment occupies much more area, so if they are placed in Feodosia, then most likely somewhere near the city, because the city itself is small and there are hardly any free territories there.

              Placed where there are heliports and / or an airfield ....
        5. 1Alexey
          1Alexey 30 March 2021 18: 02
          0
          Quote: ccsr
          ccsr (ccsr) 25 March 2021 18:26

          Quote: Gato
          It is not clear only why 56 dshbr should be reformatted into a regiment?

          This reduction is part of the reform of the armed forces

          Hardly a cut. Probably (this is, however, just my guess) part of the brigade's staff is used to form the 3rd Airborne Regiment of the Pskov Division.
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 25 March 2021 16: 16
      +4
      Quote: Trapp1st
      Shoigu announced the creation of new airborne regiments
      And rightly so!

      How lucky you and Shoigu are! May God grant him health!
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 26 March 2021 17: 44
        -1
        Quote: Egoza
        How lucky you and Shoigu are! May God grant him health!

        Yes, the shtob threw it up, turned it over, and crashed against the asphalt ...
    4. Doliva63
      Doliva63 25 March 2021 16: 48
      +1
      Quote: Trapp1st
      Shoigu announced the creation of new airborne regiments
      And rightly so!

      With what?
    5. igordok
      igordok 25 March 2021 18: 35
      +1
      Quote: figvam
      It turns out that this brigade was formed in 2009 from the regiment, it turns out now back, very strange.

      In 2001, the 237th Guards Airborne Torunsky Red Banner Regiment, which is part of the 76th Guards. DShD, was disbanded. Interestingly, the regiment will be returned to Pskov with the same name?
    6. iouris
      iouris 25 March 2021 20: 12
      -2
      I do not know. More recently, the Airborne Forces sought to multiply by zero. Soldiers of women, of course, give birth on time, but there are not enough planes for the Airborne Forces.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 26 March 2021 01: 25
        -1
        Quote: iouris
        More recently, the Airborne Forces sought to multiply by zero.

        Where does this data come from? Now the number of the Airborne Forces is 45 military units, according to the plan it should be 000 military units ...
        You don't read periodicals ...
        Now in the Airborne Forces there are four airborne and airborne assault divisions and the same number of airborne assault brigades. Until 2025, a new airborne division will appear in the troops. The formation of a new artillery brigade is also planned. The reform of special-purpose and support units has not been reported. Perhaps the planned changes will not affect them. The same applies to the educational institutions of the Airborne Forces.
        In the Airborne Forces, it is planned to form its own aviation units, which will also be armed with transport helicopters. This will allow the landing party to move and receive air support without the need for interaction with other branches of the military.

        https://topwar.ru/155795-reforma-vozdushno-desantnyh-vojsk.html
    7. Maz
      Maz 26 March 2021 00: 13
      0
      Choto remembered how the brigades of the DShB were slaughtered in 1993. She was stupid. Only now have they begun to recreate. And what cadres were fired ...
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 26 March 2021 01: 50
        -1
        Quote: Maz
        Choto remembered how the brigades of the DShB were slaughtered in 1993. She was stupid.

        They cut, in the absence of AA helicopters, a large number of AA regiments remained outside the RSFSR, which had units of the 2nd or 3rd echelon ...
        Only now have they begun to recreate.

        They are created in threatened directions, and not in order to be ....
        After the transformation of the 56th Air Assault Brigade. in the regiment and sending it to the Crimea, we will have only three DShBr. - CVO (1) and BBO (2).
        I consider it expedient to deploy to KOR - DShBr. (during the Soviet Union she was there) and in Chukotka.
        In remote theaters of operations, in the locations of the RF military base abroad, to form separate airborne assault and / or mountain companies (battalions) ...
        All DShBr., DShB, DShr to transfer again to the Ground Forces (directly subordinate to the commanders of the military, separate defensive districts, the RF WB abroad) ...
        In Crimea, to recreate the 17th brigade of special forces of the KCHF (during the Soviet Union, it was stationed in Ochakovo, which means that there should be its own "cockroach corner" for it in Crimea) ...
        It may be necessary to revise the structure of the DShBr.
        Interesting is the British experience of the 90s, when they were part of the GSBR. had airmobile battalions and infantry battalions without heavy weapons, but with a large number of PTSs. Such a brigade would be more stable in the fight against the second echelons of enemy forces and at the same time would be a good means of strengthening combined arms units, especially for remote and closed theater of operations - KOR, Chukotka, Sakhalin, etc.
  2. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 25 March 2021 15: 59
    +2
    Apparently more striking forces and means are needed, tk. after all, the Ukrainian issue will have to be resolved, and then NATO's challenges will have to be stopped after the first has been resolved.
    1. knn54
      knn54 25 March 2021 16: 27
      +2
      For the solution of the most important combat missions of the Airborne Forces, and the marines are the MAIN tool.
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 25 March 2021 16: 58
        +1
        For the solution of the most important combat missions, the main tool of the VKS. And the fact that you called it only against the bashi-bazouks. Even the transportation of both those and others is impossible without the destruction of air defense and enemy aircraft.
      2. Roma 1977
        Roma 1977 25 March 2021 16: 59
        +1
        Air defense is still more important. Although the videos on YouTube do not look so impressive.
    2. Victor Tsenin
      Victor Tsenin 25 March 2021 16: 33
      0
      It would be more likely that the unstable cannot be delayed until the enemy bases have appeared in Ukraine.
    3. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 25 March 2021 16: 58
      0
      Not specifically the "Ukrainian question", but a lot of questions along the entire perimeter of the borders of the Russian Federation: in the Republic of Belarus, and in Central Asia, and in the Transcaucasus. Apparently, it was considered that it was more profitable to have a relatively small mobile force, quickly concentrated in a threatening sector, than to constantly keep three combined-arms armies in each probable theater of operations.
    4. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 26 March 2021 01: 53
      -2
      Quote: mojohed2012
      Apparently more striking forces and means are needed, tk. after all, the Ukrainian issue will have to be resolved, and then NATO's challenges will have to be stopped after the first has been resolved.

      I think NATO will only be delighted with the weakening of the RF Armed Forces, after we have resolved the first "Ukrainian" issue ....
  3. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 25 March 2021 16: 04
    +8
    How about the Marines? Again on the residual principle? In Crimea, strengthening the Marines is the most natural decision!
    1. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 25 March 2021 16: 09
      +4
      I completely agree, but I think with the development of our Navy, there will be more marines
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 25 March 2021 16: 16
        +2
        So I want to believe that the native Sevastopol 810th Marine Brigade will someday become a Division. Maybe when the UDC is built request
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 25 March 2021 18: 16
          0
          Quote: Hunter 2
          So I want to believe that the native Sevastopol 810th Marine Brigade will someday become a Division. Maybe when the UDC is built request

          What for?
    2. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 25 March 2021 17: 02
      +10
      Strengthening the Marines is, first of all, building a couple of large landing ships or helicopter carriers. What is the use of Ukraine's marines, if in fact they are not naval?
      1. NKT
        NKT 25 March 2021 19: 10
        0
        Better to revive the special forces brigades of the GRU General Staff
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 26 March 2021 01: 55
          -1
          Quote: NKT
          Better to revive the special forces brigades of the GRU General Staff

          And now they are not?
          1. NKT
            NKT 26 March 2021 07: 44
            0
            Yes, but their number has been significantly reduced in comparison with what was in the USSR Armed Forces. There were 14 brigades, two regiments and about 20 separate companies, and now there are eight brigades
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 26 March 2021 11: 55
              -1
              Quote: NKT
              Yes, but their number has been significantly reduced in comparison with what was in the USSR Armed Forces. There were 14 brigades, two regiments and about 20 separate companies, and now there are eight brigades

              Well, there is no longer the USSR (whose territory is larger than the Russian Federation), there is no police department on the territory of the countries where they were stationed ...
    3. ccsr
      ccsr 25 March 2021 18: 34
      -1
      Quote: Hunter 2
      How about the Marines? Again on the residual principle? In Crimea, strengthening the Marines is the most natural decision!

      So here the issue of reducing the marines in the Black Sea Fleet was just being resolved, and instead of them an airborne regiment was deployed, which in combat training will be focused on sea transportation. Whatever they say, the Black Sea Fleet itself will gradually decline, and its structures are being replaced in parts - this is my personal assumption, built on the experience of reforming the Armed Forces in the nineties. And helicopter carriers for this regiment are being built, as I can imagine.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 25 March 2021 19: 47
        +23
        Quote: ccsr
        So here the issue of reducing the marines in the Black Sea Fleet was just being resolved, and instead of them an airborne regiment was deployed

        Not instead, but together
      2. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 26 March 2021 02: 05
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        Quote: ccsr
        Quote: Hunter 2
        How about the Marines? Again on the residual principle? In Crimea, strengthening the Marines is the most natural decision!

        So here the issue of reducing the marines in the Black Sea Fleet was just being resolved, and instead of them an airborne regiment was deployed, which in combat training will be focused on sea transportation. Whatever they say, the Black Sea Fleet itself will gradually decline, and its structures are being replaced in parts - this is my personal assumption, built on the experience of reforming the Armed Forces in the nineties. And helicopter carriers for this regiment are being built, as I can imagine.

        Misjudgment. MP for KCHF is more than enough: br. MP, bot. mp as part of the 36th brigade. BO, bot. MP in Temryuk ..... much more?
        The Airborne Forces in the Crimea have their own tasks and they will not fulfill the tasks of the MP KChF. The length of the coastline of the Crimea is large, there will be worries above the roof ...
        I see no prerequisites for reducing the KChF, on the contrary, the KChF must constantly allocate a squadron of ships to the Mediterranean Sea, for this a full-fledged naval base is being built in Tartus, and a PMTO in Sudan ...
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 26 March 2021 11: 39
          -1
          Quote: Lara Croft
          I see no prerequisites for reducing the KChF, on the contrary,

          You apparently are not aware that the Northern Fleet was elevated to the status of a military district, and removed from the subordination of the Western Military District. And this means that its structure will change, in particular, not only management, but also parts of support will be increased. With the same number of naval personnel, how this will happen - I hope you don’t need to explain. At least I have not heard anywhere that the staff strength of the Russian Navy has been changed in connection with organizational staff activities. If I missed this, then correct me.
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 26 March 2021 12: 14
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            Quote: ccsr
            Quote: Lara Croft
            I see no prerequisites for reducing the KChF, on the contrary,

            You apparently are not aware that the Northern Fleet was elevated to the status of a military district, and removed from the subordination of the Western Military District. And this means that its structure will change, in particular, not only management, but also parts of support will be increased. With the same number of naval personnel, how this will happen - I hope you don’t need to explain. At least I have not heard anywhere that the staff strength of the Russian Navy has been changed in connection with organizational staff activities. If I missed this, then correct me.

            You have a link to your statement:
            So right here the issue of reducing the marines in the Black Sea Fleet was solved, and instead of them an airborne regiment was deployed, which in combat training will be focused on sea transportation... Whatever they say, but the Black Sea Fleet itself will gradually decline

            I personally have not heard anything about what you wrote above.
            Why did they drag the KSF? They decided to be smart about it, I read the periodicals and never saw that the KChF would be reduced in favor of the KSF ...
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 26 March 2021 13: 02
              -1
              Quote: Lara Croft
              I personally have not heard anything about what you wrote above.

              This has happened before:
              So, for example, in 2008, the 810th Marine Regiment (Black Sea Fleet) was again reorganized into a brigade (which it was until 1998). The deed, of course, is good and necessary, that's just why there was simultaneously disband the marine brigade of the Caspian Flotilla, leaving two battalions from her ?!

              https://topwar.ru/149289-voennyj-flot-rossii-grustnyj-vzgljad-v-buduschee-morskaja-pehota.html
              Quote: Lara Croft
              They decided to be smart about it, I read the periodicals and never saw that the KChF would be reduced in favor of the KSF ...

              No, it's just that, unlike you, I saw such a reduction in the armed forces, which you have no idea about, and then they did not let some brigades go under the knife, but entire armies were disbanded. And I am well aware of how personnel issues are resolved in such situations.
              As for the current change in the status of the Northern Fleet, you probably do not know that this immediately entails a change in the size of the Northern Fleet itself. Now explain in a popular way how this can happen?
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 26 March 2021 13: 25
                0
                Quote: ccsr
                Quote: Lara Croft
                I personally have not heard anything about what you wrote above.

                This has happened before:
                So, for example, in 2008, the 810th Marine Regiment (Black Sea Fleet) was again reorganized into a brigade (which it was until 1998). The deed, of course, is good and necessary, that's just why there was simultaneously disband the marine brigade of the Caspian Flotilla, leaving two battalions from her ?!

                https://topwar.ru/149289-voennyj-flot-rossii-grustnyj-vzgljad-v-buduschee-morskaja-pehota.html

                I know about it. One in Kaspiysk remained the other in Astrakhan. Br. MP was reduced to 177th PMP.
                At the moment, the PMP is strengthening.
                The 177th Regiment is a full-fledged force capable of operating on land and water. The battalions are equipped with all the necessary equipment and weapons. The basis of their fleet of equipment is modern armored personnel carriers BTR-82A. There are self-propelled guns "Nona-M" and towed howitzers D-30. Armed with unmanned aerial reconnaissance systems. All fighters use the "Warrior" set. Management is carried out using the "Strelets" complex.
                At the end of last year it was announced the appearance of a new reconnaissance battalion in the 177th regiment... It has a special-purpose company.
                as part of the 177th Marine Regiment soon there will be another battalion of marines, similar to the existing... It was reported that the battalion will include three companies: two marines and one airborne assault.
                https://topwar.ru/172772-usilenie-morskoj-pehoty-kaspijskoj-flotilii.html
                article of 06.07.2020
                After the VChV and the 08.08.08 war, the need for the maintenance of the whole Br. The MP fell away, so it was disbanded.
                After the brewing of the conflict in the NKR between the RA (a member of the CSTO) and the AzR, it was apparently decided to strengthen the 177th PMP, whether it will later be transformed into a Brigade depends on the operational situation in the South Caucasus ...
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 26 March 2021 13: 45
                  0
                  Quote: Lara Croft
                  whether it will subsequently be reorganized into a Brigade depends on the operational situation in the South Caucasus ....

                  I think that the question will depend more on the possibility of expanding the state at the expense of someone, and this is always difficult. So they will leave the regiment, reinforcing it with battalions and bringing them to five, but it will not receive a brigade status - for some reason it seems to me that this scenario will be chosen.
                  1. Lara Croft
                    Lara Croft 26 March 2021 14: 09
                    0
                    Quote: ccsr
                    I think that the question will depend more on the possibility of expanding the state at the expense of someone, and this is always difficult.

                    What for?
                    The sun is like water, the more tasks, the stronger the pressure ...
                    If the situation in the NKR worsens, they will make a Brigade, strengthen other formations and formations of the Southern Military District, they will not simply strengthen and deploy new formations, since these are all the resources of the state ...
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 26 March 2021 18: 19
                      -1
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      If the situation in the NKR deteriorates, they will make a Brigade, strengthen other formations and formations of the Southern Military District,

                      Tell this to someone else, because in peacetime, it is possible to expand the state only without changing the total number, through the redistribution of posts.
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      since these are all the resources of the state ...

                      So the state will not give consent to increase the armed forces in peacetime. Only recently was the size of the armed forces increased by a special presidential decree, and this is within several years, when the reduction took place in general.
                      November 2017, XNUMX
                      Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree to increase the staff of the Russian Armed Forces. According to the document, from July 1, their number will be over 1,9 million people, including more than 1 million military personnel. In total, the Armed Forces will be replenished by 19 thousand people - 13 698 military and 5357 civilians.
                      .This is a rare example of the increase in the staff of the security department in recent years. In February 2015, Kommersant reported that the Ministry of Finance proposed to all Russian law enforcement agencies, as part of the formation of a new reduced budget, to significantly reduce costs or dismiss up to 10% of employees.
              2. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 26 March 2021 13: 50
                -1
                Quote: ccsr
                No, it's just that, unlike you, I saw such a reduction in the armed forces, which you have no idea about, and then they did not let some brigades go under the knife, but entire armies were disbanded.

                If you are talking about the period of the collapse of the USSR, the Department of Internal Affairs and the withdrawal of troops from Eastern Europe and the Mongolian People's Republic, then I think that it could not have been otherwise. The Russian Federation would not have been able to maintain the Armed Forces that remained from the USSR, and there was no need for this, the threats changed.
                In Europe, Associations and formations were also liquidated, like in our country, it was just that we were more and more large ...
                We still will not get away from building a mobilization army, this is especially felt in the ground forces, where in the OA, at best, there is only one MSD, why do we need such OA, with inflated control bodies and the absence of the troops themselves ...
                In the post-war period under Khrushchev, there were also large waves of reductions in the Armed Forces.
                The construction of the Armed Forces is regulated, depending on many factors, and not from the desire of some forum member on the VO website, Military Science, and allows the issues of the construction of the Armed Forces to be resolved.
                And I am well aware of how personnel issues are resolved in such situations.

                I often came across former military men whom the state gave the opportunity to get a new education, one even was a teacher for me at the University ...
                As for the current change in the status of the Northern Fleet, you probably do not know that this immediately entails a change in the size of the Northern Fleet itself.

                Again, troll, how do you know what I know and what does not, what kind of rudeness and an attempt (weak with it), to show your superiority, while I see the offended person's life ...
                At the initial stage of the KSF, all units and subunits, and sometimes formations not previously related to the KSF, were transferred from the SV, VKS ...
                For example, the 200th MRB. became Arctic and became part of the formed AK, which united the entire ground component of the troops into itself.
                At the second stage, new connections and associations of BS KSF began to be created, for example, the 80th MRB. (Arctic), the 45th Army of the Air Force and Air Defense, it is clear that the second stage is the longest and some parts of the Aerospace Forces, for example, have already been transferred to the KSF, and some are on a temporary and rotational basis from other VOs.
                I do not have (and you did not provide me) that any formations, units and subdivisions of the KChF will be transferred to the KSF ...
  4. evgen1221
    evgen1221 25 March 2021 16: 11
    -14%
    And how is the wishlist for the creation of new regiments of security officials of all stripes coordinated with the demmo-resource? Or they plan to enter 2-3-5-25 years of urgent service in the future, with a guarantor it rolls.
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 25 March 2021 17: 07
      -3
      One new division is only a little more than 10 people, and here we are not even talking about a division, but just about reorganizing existing units. But it would be nice to increase military service to 000 years. But not because of a shortage of people, but purely to improve the military professionalism of the broad masses of the population.
      1. evgenii67
        evgenii67 25 March 2021 17: 18
        0
        There are not so many applicants for a year, but here are 4.
        1. Roma 1977
          Roma 1977 25 March 2021 18: 05
          +4
          There are not many who want to go to school for 10 years either. But you have to walk. For a year, you can only call in some kind of "territorial defense" - to teach how to shoot, walk in step and correctly determine the rank of commander. A real army for solving real combat missions requires people who are carefully trained in handling complex equipment and with knowledge of tactics, both their own and the enemy. Simple meat is not needed there, tea is not 1941.
      2. Tank hard
        Tank hard 25 March 2021 18: 15
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        Quote: Roma-1977
        But it would be nice to increase military service to 4 years.

        At one time I served 3 years and 3 months in the units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, already by the beginning of the 3rd year, I think. that he became a really well-trained professional in his field. Calmly and deliberately, he could not only fulfill his duties, but also completely command a unit and a squad, fully responsible for the life of the personnel. But still, it was a contract. I think that 4 years is redundant.
        1. Roma 1977
          Roma 1977 25 March 2021 18: 22
          +3
          I agree. 2 years at least. This is not counting the service associated with complex technology. There, in general, an engineering education would not hurt, and another year of internship ...
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 25 March 2021 18: 26
            0
            Quote: Roma-1977
            I agree. 2 years at least. This is not counting the service associated with complex technology. There, in general, an engineering education would not hurt, and another year of internship

            As it was in the USSR, 2-3 years. Depending on the complexity of the preparation. hi
        2. Essex62
          Essex62 25 March 2021 18: 37
          +3
          So it is necessary to build up the contractual component, until the full transition to spacecraft. As a woodpecker comes, Solobon does not know how to part, and leaves the same way. Of course, he will receive a minimum skill, especially since they have freed from household work and kitchens now, but this is a minuscule year. For local wars, you need a real pro. Continuous fronts and throws into the gamerope, except in the neighborhood, are not planned. What for to teach the entire population to walk in formation and hit the growth target twice from 10 rounds? Karabakh showed nothing about it. Modern combat requires honed skills. Well, if a global batch, then everything will end quickly. You don't have to go into attacks.
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 25 March 2021 19: 33
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            Quote: Essex62
            So it is necessary to build up the contractual component, until the full transition to spacecraft.

            In the Union, the conscription also decided issues. which are now decided by contract. but a significant part of the country's population was ready to replenish combat units with a reserve, if anything. Who will replenish the "professional" units in the event of a hypothetical conflict?
            Quote: Essex62
            Modern combat requires honed skills

            Where did you personally take part in modern times?
            Quote: Essex62
            Karabakh showed nothing about it

            Where were they in Karabakh?
            Quote: Essex62
            Well, if a global batch, then everything will end quickly. You don't have to go into attacks.

            Did you serve yourself at all?
            1. cat Rusich
              cat Rusich 25 March 2021 21: 58
              -2
              Quote: Tank Hard
              ... but a significant part of the country's population was ready to replenish combat units with a reserve, if anything. Who will replenish the "professional" units in the event of a hypothetical conflict?
              In the USSR, almost the entire population did military service ...
              After the collapse of the USSR in local conflicts in the "union republics" the very "mobilization reserve" went into battle.
              And what quality the "mobrezerv" had, because they fought not for the "abstract USSR", but for their "small homeland" - all the same, the level was at the level of "civilian in uniform."
              As an example, the "Second Chechen Company" - "half-year conscripts" went into battle again (there is a video with the words of V. Putin himself), but the "mobrezerv" was not collected ... militia with their WEAPONS - but not an official "mobilization reserve".
              According to "knowledgeable people" in 1999, 60 were needed for the war in Chechnya. combat-ready bayonets, and in the entire army of the Russian Federation there were 55 combat ready - but the "mobilization reserve" was NOT COLLECTED ...
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 26 March 2021 02: 18
                -1
                Quote: cat Rusich
                According to "knowledgeable people" in 1999, 60 were needed for the war in Chechnya. combat-ready bayonets, and in the entire army of the Russian Federation there were 55 combat ready - but the "mobilization reserve" was NOT COLLECTED ...

                Pasha-Mercedes asked Tsar-Boris to carry out a partial mobilization at the PCHV, who sent him immediately with this absurd request ..... both Chechen wars showed that the "Pepsi generation" fought no worse than the "contrabass" ... ...
                1. cat Rusich
                  cat Rusich 26 March 2021 20: 12
                  +2
                  Quote: Lara Croft
                  Pasha-Mercedes asked Tsar-Boris to carry out a partial mobilization at the PCHV, who sent him immediately with this absurd request ...
                  I remembered a video clip - a news report from the summer of 1995 ...
                  Summary -
                  The Russian army entered Shatoi, the general (I don’t remember from memory) gives interviews to journalists - "The war for the army is over, the military units will continue to work - they will search the forests for the" underdevelopment ", in a few weeks the army (MO) will return home ...".
                  Words the general I quote from memory, there may be inaccuracies ...
                  Then you can recall Nevzorov's program "Days" in the summer of 1996 ...
                  Summary (again I retell from memory) -
                  July 1996, the Russian army storms Dargo, Nevzorov comments off-screen in a cheerful voice - "The war will end soon, Victory is very close, all that remains is to find and finish off small groups of hiding bandits - and this is a job for the special forces" ...
                  And then I remember the news report from Khasavyurt on August 31, 1996 ...
                  sad
                  1. Lara Croft
                    Lara Croft 26 March 2021 20: 29
                    -1
                    Quote: cat Rusich
                    And then I remember the news report from Khasavyurt on August 31, 1996 ... sad

                    It could not be otherwise. The brief operation failed.
                    The PCHV decided to end it by losing it and began to immediately prepare for the next PCHV ...
                    The situation is similar in Ukraine, the "Minsk agreements" following the results of a clumsy operation in the "zone" of the ATO and the accumulation of new forces and means for a future, new slaughter ...
                    The only difference is that it is not Ukrainian generals who are preparing for the new massacre of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but the Anglo-Saxons ...
                    1. cat Rusich
                      cat Rusich 26 March 2021 20: 44
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                      Quote: Lara Croft

                      It could not be otherwise. The brief operation failed.
                      The PChV decided to end it by losing it and began immediately to prepare for the next VCHV ...
                      In 1996, the Russian Airborne Forces were reduced to 64 fighters ...
                      In September 1996, it was decided to reduce the Airborne Forces to 47 ...
                      1. Lara Croft
                        Lara Croft 26 March 2021 21: 11
                        0
                        Quote: cat Rusich
                        In 1996, the Russian Airborne Forces were reduced to 64 fighters ...
                        In September 1996, it was decided to reduce the Airborne Forces to 47 ...

                        Now the RF Airborne Forces - 45 military units, plans provide for an increase in the numerical strength and combat strength, so that there are 000 military units.
                      2. cat Rusich
                        cat Rusich 26 March 2021 21: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: Lara Croft

                        Now the RF Airborne Forces - 45 military units, plans provide for an increase in the numerical strength and combat strength, so that there are 000 military units.
                        My opinion.
                        To transfer the Airborne Forces almost completely to a contract basis.
                        The point is that I chose to be paratrooper - SERVE 5 YEARS - NOT LESS THAN ...
                        soldier
                      3. Lara Croft
                        Lara Croft 26 March 2021 22: 13
                        -2
                        Quote: cat Rusich
                        In my opinion, the DVV should be transferred almost entirely to a contract basis.

                        Completely not (a military-trained reserve is required), but 75-80% is probably possible ...
                      4. ccsr
                        ccsr 27 March 2021 10: 55
                        0
                        Quote: cat Rusich
                        My opinion.
                        To transfer the Airborne Forces almost completely to a contract basis.
                        The point is that I decided to be a paratrooper - SERVE 5 YEARS - NOT LESS THAN ...

                        Everything is correct, but perhaps it is better to make the first contract up to three years in order to give the opportunity to leave painlessly for those who realized that this life is not for him. But the first six months must necessarily take place in the training unit of the Airborne Forces, so that the person knows what awaits him in the troops, and perhaps made a different decision by writing a report on the transfer to other units.
          2. Tank hard
            Tank hard 26 March 2021 21: 50
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            Quote: cat Rusich
            After the collapse of the USSR in local conflicts in the "union republics" the very "mobilization reserve" went into battle.

            What are you speaking about? Conscripts were basically dying. The first Chechen example is. How old are you?
            Quote: cat Rusich
            As an example, the "Second Chechen Company" - "conscripts for half a year" went into battle again (there is a video with the words of V. Putin himself), but they did not collect "mobrezerv" ... In Dagestan, a militia gathered with its WEAPON - but not an official "mobilization reserve ".

            The second Chechen one is basically contract soldiers, as an example, some of my comrades. What does the video with Putin himself or the Dagestan militias have to do with it?
            Quote: cat Rusich
            According to "knowledgeable people"

            laughing Apparently it is you ... And my friend, who served in 2007-2009, in 6774 346 ORB, probably does not belong to such people. repeat
            1. cat Rusich
              cat Rusich 27 March 2021 21: 50
              0
              Quote: Tank Hard
              Quote: cat Rusich
              After the collapse of the USSR in local conflicts in the "union republics" the very "mobilization reserve" went into battle.

              What are you speaking about? Conscripts were basically dying. The first Chechen example is. How old are you?
              Transnistria March 2 - August 1, 1992
              Abkhazia August 14, 1992 - September 30, 1993
              Tajikistan August 1992 - July 1993 (hottest time).
              Karabakh 1992 - May 12, 1994
              The first Chechen company ... since summer 1994 (the official beginning was December 11, 1994, but before that there was already the second assault on Grozny on November 26, 1994) - August 31, 1996.
              These wars are "civil" with the main armed mass of the armed civilian population.
              We can say that the "Georgian army", "Azerbaijani army", "Tajik army", "Moldavian army" - were recruited from conscripts, but they were opposed by the armed militia from the other side. In addition to Karabakh and Tajikistan, the Russian army had to save the "armed militia" of Abkhazia and Transnistria.
              The first Chechen campaign began with CHECHEN CIVIL WAR and continued with the war of the Russian army with armed detachments of residents of Chechnya.
              These detachments of armed residents of Abkhazia, Transnistria, Chechnya - when they were doing military service - and now the time has come to show the acquired skills in the USSR army ...
              And they showed - not the ability to create an "army" - only "armed detachments". You can say "There were few weapons ..." - there were more weapons in Chechnya than needed ...
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 27 March 2021 22: 15
                0
                Quote: cat Rusich
                The first Chechen campaign began with the CHECHEN CIVIL WAR and continued with the war between the Russian army and the armed detachments of the residents of Chechnya.

                Quote: cat Rusich
                And they showed - not the ability to create an "army" - only "armed detachments".

                What is this Chechen Civil War? Remind me. IMHO "Chechen militia" absolutely devastatingly beat the army of the Russian Federation. consisted of conscripts basically. There were many reasons for this. much depended on the behavior of the country's leadership. it ended with the 1996 Khasavyurt agreements. Everything changed after 1999, after the start of the second Chechen war. There was already a different leadership of the country, a different motivation. a qualitatively different army. why did you write all this?
                1. cat Rusich
                  cat Rusich 27 March 2021 22: 26
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                  Quote: Tank Hard

                  What is this Chechen Civil War? Remind me.
                  I remind you ...
                  The Provisional Council of the Chechen Republic headed by Umar Avturkhanov. The commander of the "anti-Dudaev opposition army" is Bislan Gantomirov.
                  15 October 1994 - the first assault on Grozny ... Grozny was taken ... and the next day they left it ...
                  November 17, 1994 - the second assault on Grozny ... unsuccessful.
                  More details need to be searched for from different sources.
                  1. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 27 March 2021 22: 29
                    0
                    Quote: cat Rusich
                    I remind you ...
                    The Provisional Council of the Chechen Republic headed by Umar Avturkhanov. The commander of the "anti-Dudaev opposition army" is Bislan Gantomirov.
                    October 15, 1994 - the first assault on Grozny ... Grozny was taken ... and the next day they left it ...
                    November 17, 1994 - the second assault on Grozny ... unsuccessful.
                    More details need to be searched for from different sources.

                    Do you seriously consider this a civil Chechen war ?! laughing
                  2. cat Rusich
                    cat Rusich 27 March 2021 22: 43
                    0
                    Quote: Tank Hard
                    Do you seriously consider this a civil Chechen war ?! laughing
                    What do you think is a "civil war"?
                    Here are some who claim that the events in Moscow September 21 - October 4, 1993 were a "civil war" ...
                  3. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 27 March 2021 22: 56
                    0
                    Quote: cat Rusich
                    What do you think is a "civil war"?

                    I find it difficult to operate with such concepts, a slippery question ... perhaps we can say that the events in the Russian Federation. associated with the Chechen Republic were a civil war, if you use such a definition-
                    Civil war is the most acute form of resolving the accumulated social contradictions within the state [1], which manifests itself in the form of a large-scale armed confrontation between organized groups [2] [3] or, less often, between nations that were part of a previously unified country [4]. The aim of the parties, as a rule, is to seize power in the country or in a separate region [2].

                    But if you use such a definition, then it is not.
                    armed struggle between the social classes of one country during the revolution.

                    And in any case. clashes between clans or teips. or the clans of one people, in my opinion, are not a civil war. This then can be considered a civil war between two criminal groups. However, this is just my opinion.
                  4. cat Rusich
                    cat Rusich 27 March 2021 23: 06
                    0
                    Quote: Tank Hard
                    Quote: cat Rusich
                    What do you think is a "civil war"?


                    And in any case. clashes between clans or teips. or the clans of one people, in my opinion, are not a civil war. This then can be considered a civil war between two criminal groups. However, this is just my opinion.
                    "And brother went against brother, and son against father ..." - we can say that these words were said about a family quarrel ... that occurred on the lands of the Russian Empire after October 1917 ...
                  5. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 27 March 2021 23: 08
                    0
                    Quote: cat Rusich
                    "And brother went against brother, and son against father ..." - we can say that these words were said about a family quarrel ... that occurred on the lands of the Russian Empire after October 1917.

                    No, this option is more suitable here wink -
                    armed struggle between the social classes of one country during the revolution.
                  6. cat Rusich
                    cat Rusich 27 March 2021 23: 25
                    -1
                    Quote: Tank Hard

                    No, this option is more suitable here wink -
                    armed struggle between the social classes of one country during the revolution.
                    F.E.Dzerzhinsky - Polish gentry ...
                    Leib Davidovich Bronstein (Trotsky) - Jew ...
                    I.V. Dzhugashvili is an under-educated priest ...
                    V.I.Ulyanov is a hereditary intellectual ...
                    There were no workers and peasants in the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) ...
                    sad
                  7. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 27 March 2021 23: 27
                    -3
                    Quote: cat Rusich
                    F.E.Dzerzhinsky - Polish gentry ...
                    Leib Davidovich Bronstein (Trotsky) - Jew ...
                    I.V. Dzhugashvili is an under-educated priest ...
                    V.I.Ulyanov is a hereditary intellectual ...
                    There were no workers and peasants in the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) ..

                    Duc and I did not give the definition, I just quoted. Wait. Comrades led by the Tatra will read you, cry. laughing
                  8. Essex62
                    Essex62 29 March 2021 09: 34
                    -1
                    And it doesn't matter what class and nationality the revolutionaries are. Most importantly, they liquidated these estates, destroying the very essence of the division of people into social groups, established the equality of each and every one from birth and established a ban on personal enrichment, which, in the first place, canceled this inequality, in fact.
                  9. cat Rusich
                    cat Rusich 29 March 2021 21: 08
                    0
                    Quote: Essex62
                    ... Most importantly, they liquidated these estates, destroying the very essence of the division of people into social groups.
                    cancel class division in Russia, the Provisional Government was still planning, after the Constituent Assembly.
                    But not in time ...

                    Quote: Essex62
                    by destroying the very essence of the division of people into social groups, we established the equality of one and all.
                    In the USSR, society (people) was divided ...
                    At party and non-party.
                    All senior positions were occupied "members of the CPSU party".
                    Non-partisan (not a member of the CPSU) - practically could not get even the smallest managerial position.
                    All power in the country belonged to one party - the CPSU ...
                    Okay, let it belong ... But when the USSR collapsed - where were "20 members of the CPSU" ??? - all officers of the army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the KGB were members of the CPSU...
                    They even destroyed the USSR former members of the CPSU with a "party experience" of several decades - for example, Boris Yeltsin, a member of the CPSU party in 1961-1990, since 1981 a member of the CPSU Central Committee, while at party work in Sverdlovsk, he received the rank of colonel in reserve.
                    I have provided only well-known facts of the history of Russia, please do not be offended ...
                  10. ccsr
                    ccsr 29 March 2021 22: 07
                    +1
                    Quote: cat Rusich
                    Non-partisan (not a member of the CPSU) - he practically could not get even the smallest managerial position.

                    Complete nonsense - they were non-partisan even in the Supreme Soviet, and I'm not talking about the locals - I have a non-partisan neighbor, I was elected a deputy for two terms. In many enterprises, non-partisan leadership positions were held, as in industry research institutes and the Academy of Sciences.
                    Quote: cat Rusich
                    all the officers of the army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the KGB were members of the CPSU ...

                    It is not true - we had a non-partisan lieutenant colonel in a decent position. The junior officers, too, in many cases remained non-partisan.
                    Quote: cat Rusich
                    But when the USSR collapsed - where were the "20 members of the KPSS" ???

                    Do you think they should have organized a new Civil War in the country?
                    Quote: cat Rusich
                    being at party work in Sverdlovsk received the rank of colonel in reserve.

                    This nomenklatura position and rank existed only for the period of the war, so this does not mean anything at all.
                    Quote: cat Rusich
                    I have provided only well-known facts of the history of Russia, please do not be offended ...

                    This selection of facts does not correspond to reality, in fact, everything was not as you describe, but much more complicated. Moreover, you forgot to point out that it was our God-bearing people who came out with placards "Down with the KPSS", and now it sheds tears that the capitalists robbed him and do not allow him to live, as he dreamed of overthrowing the Soviet regime. Even worse, now both Stalin and Brezhnev are remembered with nostalgia, and life under Brezhnev is considered a great happiness. Or is it not so?
                  11. cat Rusich
                    cat Rusich 30 March 2021 00: 37
                    0
                    Quote: ccsr

                    Complete nonsense - they were non-partisan even in the Supreme Soviet, and I'm not talking about the locals - I have a non-partisan neighbor, I was elected a deputy for two terms.
                    Who was in charge
                    Union republic
                    By the region
                    District
                    City
                    - First Secretary of the KP.

                    Quote: ccsr
                    we had a non-partisan lieutenant colonel in a decent position. The junior officers, too, in many cases remained non-partisan.
                    And when did the "junior officer" become the "senior"? - there were exceptions among officers in party affiliation.
                    But the general mass of officers were members of the CPSU.

                    Quote: ccsr
                    Do you think they should have organized a new Civil War in the country?
                    And what does it mean to be a "member of the KPSS" - is that there was such a "club of interests" ??? - "interest has disappeared" and YOU ARE FREE from ALL Oaths that YOU pronounced when joining the "party" ... Another would have demanded to return the membership fees. (about the oaths when joining the CPSU, he said for the "catch phrase" - or how they became "members" - wanted to be a "communist" - welcome ... if you didn't want it - your right ...)

                    Quote: ccsr
                    This nomenklatura position and rank existed only for the period of the war, so this does not mean anything at all.
                    Imagine ...
                    The "third world war" began, and people like Boris Yeltsin would have joined the army with "colonel's shoulder straps" and would have begun to command YOU ...

                    Quote: ccsr
                    This selection of facts does not correspond to reality, in fact, everything was not as you describe, but much more complicated.
                    And how was it really ...?
                    There was a state of the USSR and now there is no USSR ...
                    And now you can only remember such a phrase from the movie
                    "There is such a profession to defend the Motherland ..."
                    Who defended the Motherland in 1991 ...
                  12. Essex62
                    Essex62 30 March 2021 11: 07
                    0
                    At 93, many stood up. At 91, this is only a flower with 50 to 50 capabilities.
                    Nursing home - the Kremlin had to be shaken up anyway. A traitor, an agent of the Freemasons, Gorbachev hit the stream exactly. As Choi sang "change, we are waiting for change." And they matured, but the bourgeoisie took advantage of the situation, and as a result of the weakening, and in general a complete departure from the dictatorship of the proletariat, it flourished, underground with a magnificent 70s, seized the initiative, using administrative levers. After all, both in the Kremlin and in the localities there were already reincarnates.
                    For example, sabotage with essential goods in Moscow. I personally took part, with other communists, in an attempt to get an explanation why wagons with agricultural products and smoke are not unloaded at our freight station. The secretary of the district committee threw up his hands and poked his finger at the ceiling. Moreover, the new secretary, the former correct communist, was scrapped before that.
                  13. ccsr
                    ccsr 30 March 2021 11: 20
                    0
                    Quote: cat Rusich
                    Who was in charge
                    Union republic
                    By the region
                    District
                    City
                    - First Secretary of the KP.

                    Now the head of the United Russia is in charge or some kind of swindler in general, as in Penza - what has changed?
                    Quote: cat Rusich
                    And when did the "junior officer" become the "senior"? - there were exceptions among officers in party affiliation.

                    Some senior officers were even expelled from the party - you are clearly not in the subject.
                    Quote: cat Rusich
                    But the general mass of officers were members of the CPSU.

                    Well, what did it interfere with the service?
                    Quote: cat Rusich
                    The "third world war" began, and people like Boris Yeltsin would have joined the army with "colonel's shoulder straps" and would have begun to command YOU ...

                    Don't do bullshit - the army is just such a mechanism that will execute the decision of the country's leadership. At least if she herself does not seize power, as is done in some countries. Traditionally, the military has always stayed away from politicians, and when they got into it, it ended badly for them.
                    Quote: cat Rusich
                    "There is such a profession to defend the Motherland ..."
                    Who defended the Motherland in 1991 ...

                    There was no order from the army to kill those who came out with placards "Down with the KPSS".
                    However, even if he did, the Soviet Army would hardly have gone against its people, since it knew how the Civil War would end. And our people got what they deserved - now they live in a bright capitalist future, but they constantly whine that they have a bad life.
                    But the Soviet Army is not to blame for this.
                  14. cat Rusich
                    cat Rusich 30 March 2021 19: 56
                    0
                    [quote = ccsr]
                    Now the head of the United Russia is in charge or some kind of swindler in general, as in Penza - what has changed?
                    . [/ quote] Job title ...
                    Voivode,
                    Governor General,
                    First Secretary,
                    Governor (just governor)
                    smile

                    [quote = cat-rusich] But the total mass of officers were members of the CPSU. [/ quote]
                    Well, what did it interfere with the service?
                    . [/ quote] It's just that NOBODY defended the "party" ...
                    Why then did you join? - were they driven by force? or is it voluntary?

                    [quote = ccsr]
                    Do not engage in garbage - the army is just such a mechanism that will execute the decision of the country's leadership ... [/ quote] Even an order about DESTRUCTION OF THE HOMELAND (or what happened to the USSR ...) sad

                    [quote = cat-rusich] "There is such a profession to defend the Motherland ..."
                    Who defended the Motherland in 1991 ... [/ quote]
                    There was no order from the army to kill those who came out with placards "Down with the KPSS".
                    However, even if he did, the Soviet Army would hardly have gone against its people, since it knew how it would end. [/ Quote] And when they entered Afghanistan to fulfill "INTERNATIONAL DEBT"...
                    There was no doubt ... even when the fighting began ...?
                    There is nothing bad about those who performed their "international duty", but then the army was not afraid to fight and restore order in the country, even in another country ...
                    Remember how contemptuous we are of DRA army... who also did not want to "put things in order in their country."


                    [quote = ccsr] And our people got what they deserved - now they live in a bright capitalist future, but they constantly whine that they have a bad life .. [/ quote] Not what they deserve, but what they "wanted" ...


                    [quote = ccsr]
                    But the Soviet Army is not to blame for this. [/ Quote] December 11, 1994 - the order "Establishing Constitutional Order in the Chechen Republic" entered the army ...
                    After all, then "almost no one" was afraid to put things in order with the help of armored vehicles ...
                    "almost no one" - there were those generals who, under various pretexts, refused "the honor of putting things in order." That's when the "Soviet power" disappeared and the "democratic" one came - the fears gradually passed and "hand over the power" - "fuck you" ...
            2. Essex62
              Essex62 30 March 2021 10: 57
              +1
              Well yes . The bourgeoisie abolished the privileges of the nobility. No more. There was no talk of equality.
              Those officers of the KGB and other departments, real communists, were first cleaned out everywhere by the traitors at the top. It is the same in all party bodies. Ordinary communists were also different from the end of the 70s and before the counter-revolutionary coup, who had attached themselves to the party of careerists, a serious percentage had accumulated. Those who muddied the flower garden in the USSR were never communists. For a puddle, experts do not eat their bread for nothing. The inhabitants of the Union were corrupted very cleverly, subtly and competently. And our elderly blind people continued to drive armor, and at the same time they abandoned the power export of socialism to Geyrope, completely scoring the vital needs of the population for good quality consumer goods. I do not believe that the country that first went into space is not capable of creating and producing enough cars, jeans and chewing gum. For all this, not a reasonable generation of niggas exchanged their homeland and lost the equality of people and the welfare state, putting a master on their neck.
  • cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 27 March 2021 22: 06
    0
    Quote: Tank Hard

    The second Chechen one is basically contract soldiers, as an example, some of my comrades. What does the video with Putin himself or the Dagestan militias have to do with it?
    As an example, the 6th company of the Pskov paratroopers - how many contract soldiers were there? ...
    And the video with V. Putin, and right where? - The prime minister says throughout the country that conscripts who have served for six months are sent to the war, because there are no other "experienced soldiers" ...
    The "era of double basses" began in Chechnya after April 20, 2000 - when open hostilities ended (according to the Deputy Chief of the General Staff of Russia V. Manilov) - a "partisan war" began.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 27 March 2021 22: 24
      0
      Quote: cat Rusich
      As an example, the 6th company of the Pskov paratroopers - how many contract soldiers were there?

      Listen, what's the point here? What conflicts have you personally participated in?
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 27 March 2021 22: 33
        0
        Quote: Tank Hard

        Listen, what's the point here?
        During the Second Chechen Campaign, the bulk of conscripts... August 7, 1999 - April 20, 2000
        Then came the CTO regime - Counter-Terrorist Operation.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 27 March 2021 22: 37
          0
          Quote: cat Rusich
          In the Second Chechen campaign, the bulk of them were conscripts. August 7, 1999

          suppose. what are conscripts, and what does it change? Just the same, it refutes your statement that conscripts (and mobrezerv in the future) cannot fight. laughing
        2. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 27 March 2021 22: 55
          0
          Quote: Tank Hard
          Quote: cat Rusich
          In the Second Chechen campaign, the bulk of them were conscripts. August 7, 1999

          suppose. what are conscripts, and what does it change? Just the same, it refutes your statement that conscripts (and mobrezerv in the future) cannot fight. laughing
          This phrase is about the fact that then conscripts were sent into battle, and "seasoned mobreserve" stayed at home.
          You can lead the conversation towards the fact that the skills acquired on the urgent basis will not be useful ... those who serves urgent today, and when they demobilize, they will recruit new recruits, and the "partisans" will stay at home (there is no need to cite WWI and WWII as an example, then everyone had to fight ...)
        3. Tank hard
          Tank hard 27 March 2021 23: 05
          0
          Quote: cat Rusich
          This phrase is about the fact that then conscripts were sent into battle, and the "seasoned mobrezerv" stayed at home.
          You can hold a conversation in the direction that the skills acquired on the draft will not be useful ... those who serve urgently today will still be sent into battle, and when they demobilize, they will recruit new recruits, and the "partisans" will stay home (bring as an example of WWI and WWII, it is not necessary, then everyone had to fight ...)

          let's do it this way. The professional is the one. who is engaged in a certain business (building houses, digging ditches or military service) for a long period, receives a salary for this. my opinion. that professionally (that is, very well) I began to fulfill my duties by the 3rd year of service (not after 3 years, but after 2). and so good. that I was offered to undergo training as an officer. This means that even in 2 years it is possible to prepare a professional in military service from suitable material, on the condition that the individual will engage in combat training. and not digging a garden at the boss's dacha. This is my opinion. not necessarily the most correct. wink
        4. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 27 March 2021 23: 14
          0
          Quote: Tank Hard
          This means that even in 2 years it is possible to prepare a professional in military service from suitable material, on the condition that the individual will engage in combat training. and not digging a garden at the boss's dacha. This is my opinion. not necessarily the most correct one. wink
          Today you can sign the first contract from 18 to 40 years old.
          "From the age of 18 ..." - it seems like no time is needed ...? - immediately on a contract or as they did in the First Chechen War - they arrived in Chechnya as conscripts, concluded the "first contract", and when the deadline for demobilization approached, they broke the contract and went home ...
          There were such cases, but not massively.
        5. Tank hard
          Tank hard 27 March 2021 23: 22
          0
          Quote: cat Rusich
          Today you can sign the first contract from 18 to 40 years old.
          "From the age of 18 ..." - it seems like no time is needed ...? - directly to the contract

          Today the concept of "local war" is being proclaimed, which should not go beyond certain limits. And then. supposedly the pros will decide everything. And if it does, the pros will suffer losses, who will make up? Even in the USA, a fairly rich country, there are reservists, they use the nat. guard. I had to cross with their Marines in the 90s. Nothing special. A Soviet 2-year student (for example, the Airborne Forces, Airborne Forces, etc.) was in no way inferior to them, provided that he was constantly engaged in military training, and not painting the curb. wink
        6. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 27 March 2021 23: 32
          0
          Quote: Tank Hard
          A Soviet 2-year student (for example, the Airborne Forces, Airborne Forces, etc.) was in no way inferior to them, provided that he was constantly engaged in military training, and not painting the curb. wink
          Yes, even 3-year-olds will be - in 10-15 years in civilian life, what will happen to them ...
          Some will have time to "sit" even twice ...
          To be a "mob reserve" - ​​to maintain "combat form" all the time until it is written off from the stock.
        7. Tank hard
          Tank hard 27 March 2021 23: 35
          0
          Quote: cat Rusich
          To be a "mob reserve" - ​​to maintain "combat form" all the time until it is written off from the stock.

          Did I argue with this?
        8. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 27 March 2021 23: 39
          0
          Quote: Tank Hard
          Quote: cat Rusich
          To be a "mob reserve" - ​​to maintain "combat form" all the time until it is written off from the stock.

          Did I argue with this?
          They argue with this generals of the Russian army.
          According to them - "I went through military service and became a mobilization reserve."
          But in practice (in war) not a single "mobreservist" has been tested ...
        9. Tank hard
          Tank hard 27 March 2021 23: 46
          0
          Quote: cat Rusich
          The generals of the Russian army argue with this.
          According to them - "I went through military service and became a mobilization reserve."
          But in practice (in war) not a single "mobreservist" has been tested ...

          listen, RF is a country of contrasts. I remember how they overclocked (no, not so, cut. Probably laughing ) SOBR, then created again. We created a separate structure - an agency for the fight against drugs. then they were removed, some of the people were reduced. Perhaps this is a kind of sport, create difficulties for yourself. and then courageously overcome them. request
        10. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 27 March 2021 23: 54
          0
          Quote: Tank Hard
          Perhaps this is a kind of sport, create difficulties for yourself. and then courageously overcome them. request
          Can't decide what to do to solve the problem? ... recourse
          Rename it - there was a POLICE - there was a POLICE ...
          good
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 28 March 2021 10: 16
        +1
        Quote: cat Rusich
        The generals of the Russian army argue with this.
        According to them - "I went through military service and became a mobilization reserve."

        Generals cannot argue, as they are ordered to, so they will do. It is the Ministry of Finance that decides that a conscript is much cheaper for the state, and therefore they are so opposed to the contract army, because of that they will have to fork out for infrastructure, salaries, social benefits and early pension.
        The generals also have no doubts about the mob reserve - what for in the army we need flabby men after 30 years, if the modern war is short-lived and does not require massive armies.
        Quote: cat Rusich
        But in practice (in war) not a single "mobreservist" has been tested ...

        This proves that the generals do not need such a mobreserve for a long time and for nothing.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 26 March 2021 02: 14
    0
    Quote: Tank Hard
    Did you serve yourself at all?

    Neither are you and your comrade anti-legacy, this is not our method.
  • Essex62
    Essex62 27 March 2021 23: 32
    0
    He served as an urgent, took part in a short civilian. It was not necessary in a modern way. But by the way the Turks smashed the army of Karabakh, the most combat-ready in Armenia, one can judge that the reservists who have lost their skills have nothing to catch. And if the Masons decide everything will be decided by nuclear weapons. You know this as well as I do. Remember the shock wave that swept the Earth several times from the Sakharov product. Do you seriously think that something else will be able to move after the exchange?
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 27 March 2021 23: 40
      0
      Quote: Essex62
      But by the way the Turks smashed the army of Karabakh, the most combat-ready in Armenia

      Let's not talk about the combat readiness of the Armenian army, the events have just happened. everyone and everything remembers. Moreover, Pashinyan continues to sit in his chair, which means that there is no need to wait for combat readiness.
      Quote: Essex62
      Do you seriously think that something else will be able to move after the exchange?

      Here some tried to convince (some time ago). that almost civilization will remain, in all seriousness. But it wasn't me. hi
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 27 March 2021 23: 43
        +1
        No, well, maybe in Africa, somewhere in the very middle ... laughing hi
  • vitvit123
    vitvit123 25 March 2021 20: 40
    -1
    And two will be enough, if you do not suffer from garbage. Four will go crazy there ..
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 26 March 2021 02: 22
      0
      Quote: vitvit123
      Four will go crazy there ..

      Do you have a choice? The "kind" people from the State Duma extended the term of the "deadline" for half a year, and why? I took the oath and that's it, your life began to belong to your people ...
      1. vitvit123
        vitvit123 26 March 2021 09: 57
        -1
        Do not understand you are refuting or what ..?
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 26 March 2021 12: 00
          -1
          Quote: vitvit123
          Do not understand you are refuting or what ..?

          As much as they say, you will serve as much ...
          1. vitvit123
            vitvit123 26 March 2021 13: 39
            -1
            What does it have to say how much? I expressed my opinion that two years is enough .. you answered me, but I did not understand what you want to say with your answer and asked you to clarify ... now you generally wrote that someone should tell me something .. therefore:
            Have you refuted or what you wanted to say, please explain?
            And another question: when did I switch to you?
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 26 March 2021 14: 03
              -1
              Quote: vitvit123
              What does it have to say how much? I expressed my opinion that two years is enough .. you answered me, but I did not understand what you want to say with your answer and asked you to clarify ... now you generally wrote that someone should tell me something .. therefore:
              Have you refuted or what you wanted to say, please explain?

              Do not Cry. According to the Israeli Jews (military), the optimal service life is 3 years and this is the minimum, below which one cannot go, and I completely agree with them.
              Therefore, the service must be at least 3 years, for military service with military service - 1 year, for persons with secondary special and technical education 1,5 years ...
              I think that up to 2024, an increase in the service life in the Armed Forces does not threaten any of the Russians ...
              And another question: when did I switch to you?

              Comrade is to blame. mr, I forgot, we have subordination and seniority here ...
              But in that phrase you can't write otherwise, don't get to the bottom of a kind and trusting forum member ...
              1. vitvit123
                vitvit123 26 March 2021 14: 08
                0
                You can write: how much they say, so much will be .... so you are wrong.
                What makes you think that I'm screaming? How do you scatter words like that, especially when you write? Do you know me to say that I scream? When you communicate live, you can also not express yourself so correctly.
                1. Lara Croft
                  Lara Croft 26 March 2021 14: 12
                  -1
                  Quote: vitvit123
                  How do you scatter words like that, especially when you write?

                  All the same, they decided to get to the bottom of a good forum user.
                  I expressed my opinion on the term of service. I consider it pointless to continue the discussion ... Farewell ...
                  1. vitvit123
                    vitvit123 26 March 2021 14: 18
                    0
                    Yes, let's say goodbye without any problems and I'm not eager to spell "poke" because of you ..
                    Just because you repeat several times that you are kind, nothing changes. I just never said anywhere that you are evil. You need to communicate correctly with strangers ..
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 26 March 2021 02: 08
    -2
    Quote: evgen1221
    Or they plan to enter 2-3-5-25 years of urgent service in the future, with a guarantor it rolls.

    The term of military service will be increased by anyone, but not immediately .... with an increase in the service life, the number of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will immediately increase, and this is money ...
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 28 March 2021 00: 02
      -1
      Or maybe all the same this money for a contract? Well, what for do we have a large army? Let the pros of the aligarkhat's wishlist in Syria are also fulfilled by the guarantors of security, who are already the pros, no one will let a teapot-salagu to the button, after all, they need nothing. Neither housing nor shock capabilities.
      And I didn’t understand why you, a pure warrior, called Tank Hard a nasty word anti-ligent? And say that you are kind.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 28 March 2021 01: 32
        -2
        Quote: Essex62
        And I did not understand why you, an especially fighter, need Tank Hard with a filthy word anti-ligent called? And say that you are kind.

        Where did I write this?
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 28 March 2021 09: 31
          -1
          Quote: Tank Hard
          Did you serve yourself at all?

          Neither are you and your comrade anti-legacy, this is not our method.
          That the tongue is very sharp? Just to blurt out?
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 28 March 2021 11: 38
            -1
            Quote: Essex62
            That the tongue is very sharp? Just to blurt out?

            Clear. You never know who you are talking to here. I should have sent you right away ...
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 29 March 2021 09: 41
              -1
              Well, here's the confirmation. You are not kind. There are generally doubts about the adequacy. That you hate everyone and the whole world around you? Or is Bonapartism seizing?
  • Viktor Afanasev
    Viktor Afanasev 25 March 2021 16: 20
    0
    Long overdue! good good good
    And not only the Airborne Forces!
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 25 March 2021 16: 43
    0
    If we take into account the conclusions from the previous article "A letter from the red zone ........" then no one will attack us, it makes no sense to chop the chicken that lays the golden eggs.
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 25 March 2021 16: 49
    +2
    Russia has the most loyal friends, the army and the navy. Shoigu announced the creation of new airborne regiments.
    Give more friends to Russia! good
  • faterdom
    faterdom 25 March 2021 17: 21
    +3
    The new regiment of the Airborne Forces is always a necessary thing, no one even knows when and where, but ... our hybrid life constantly throws such places up for us.
    For example, someone (let's call it "U" for mystery) decided to pamper on Chongar and Armyansk and suddenly "one!" - and in Boryspil, for example, a strong change in the situation, which makes it difficult to urgently use the visa-free regime.
    Or a certain, let's call it "MC", begins persistently with her gypsy friends to beat up our peacekeepers, cut off from the Motherland - who will explain to her that this is very bad?
    Not to mention the same gypsy friends - suddenly they got confused there, and they will try to use the object in Deveselu not against Iran, again, after a preventive change in the landscape of the area, who will explain to the rest where to register, where to disassemble the rubble, assign them brigadiers and guards, and distribute porridge from the field kitchen?
  • Tavrik
    Tavrik 25 March 2021 17: 26
    +3
    Don't understand what the build-up is? In one place, instead of a brigade, make a regiment, and in another to add a regiment to the division.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 26 March 2021 02: 24
      -1
      Quote: Tavrik
      Don't understand what the build-up is? in another to add a regiment to the division.

      Well, yes, to form a new regiment with "76" as part of the 0th Airborne Assault Division, is this not a buildup?
      1. Tavrik
        Tavrik 26 March 2021 11: 41
        0
        Duc, cut in one place, and create in another. We can talk about building up forces in specific areas, and not about building up the Airborne Forces as a whole.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 26 March 2021 12: 22
          -1
          Quote: Tavrik
          Duc, cut in one place,

          The fact is that when a separate airborne assault battalion was created in Feodosia, then they immediately said that an airborne assault battalion would subsequently be deployed on its base, and the airborne assault battalion itself would become part of the 7th airborne assault battalion, so the command of the airborne forces and the general staff decided to take forces and means from 56- 56st DShBr., which will go to create the DShB in Crimea, and the XNUMXth DShBr itself. disband ... with the remaining units in it ...
          Or do you think that it was necessary to create new subdivisions with "0" for the deployment of the Air Assault Regiment in Crimea, and the 56th Air Assault Brigade. leave?
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 25 March 2021 17: 42
    +2
    Predictable.
    Both the 7th Airborne Assault Division (mountain) and the 76th Airborne Assault Division of two-regimental composition, now they were honored to make the indicated formations of a three-regiment composition (as they were under the Union) ...

    Almost from "0" the third regiment will be formed as part of the 76th division ...

    On the contrary, the 56th DShBr will be reduced to two DShb with a part already attached to the regimental kit (apparently it is not fully equipped with l / s and VT) and transferred to the Crimea, where a relatively recently formed DShB is now located in Feodosia. All together they will make up a new airborne force, which they talked about on the "zombie box" when they deployed the airborne force in Feodosia, then they said that an airborne regiment would be deployed in the Crimea in the future, which will be organizationally part of the 7th high-speed division (mountain) ...
  • Alexfly
    Alexfly 25 March 2021 17: 46
    -1
    And we need divisions and a lot of reserves ... give me how to keep ammunition in Israel and keep guns with pistols at home !!
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 25 March 2021 18: 17
      -1
      Not on your nelly. Why would a reservist keep a submachine gun under his bed somewhere in Penza if hostilities with the participation of the RF Armed Forces begin somewhere in Zimbabwe? Israel is a front-line country. And Russia needs personnel tank divisions to scare the Baltic states, the Strategic Missile Forces to scare America and drive the barmaley airmobile forces.
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 25 March 2021 18: 46
        0
        In addition, these rattles will not be used routinely, given our unfair reality and the general nervousness of the population living according to the laws of the jungle. Who will give you? Dreaming. laughing
      2. Alexfly
        Alexfly 25 March 2021 18: 55
        +2
        What was required to be proved, the people - do not GIVE weapons to the vanka, but you can put them under the gun. And to fight, as we taught, we will fight on foreign territory ... Something familiar nonsense, doesn't it?
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 26 March 2021 12: 16
          +1
          We don't need to fight at all. Only in defense. But if the batch starts, it will be rocket-vigorous. Even if you have a barrel under your pillow, you won't have time to use it. For all other cases, such as Chechnya, this is a police operation, even if the regular season is involved. Here Vissarionovich had divisions for such a case. The bourgeoisie in the Russian Federation is also creating this, the truth is flatter. Here the landing party is harnessed.
      3. Doctor
        Doctor 25 March 2021 20: 24
        0
        And Russia needs personnel tank divisions

        Their time ended when THIS appeared:

        1. Gato
          Gato 26 March 2021 00: 13
          +5
          IT

          When THIS appeared, the tank divisions did not end anywhere, because armored formations are capable of operating in the conditions of using THIS, and everything else is not.
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 26 March 2021 02: 28
            0
            Quote: Gato
            When THIS appeared, the tank divisions did not end anywhere, because armored formations are capable of operating in the conditions of using THIS, and everything else is not.

            Is this why there are only two TDs in the RF Army, in different parts of the country?
            1. Gato
              Gato 26 March 2021 08: 40
              -1
              Nuclear weapons, etc. appeared a little earlier than the Russian Federation, in the USSR and tank armies, no one was going to disband
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 26 March 2021 11: 59
                -1
                Quote: Gato
                Nuclear weapons, etc. appeared a little earlier than the Russian Federation, in the USSR and tank armies, no one was going to disband

                So you did not answer the question, if there is one TA (with one TD) and two TDs in the modern Army of the Russian Federation, then the threat of the use of weapons of mass destruction has disappeared, respectively?
                TD / BRTD were reduced immediately after the end of the Cold War, both among us and among the Empireists, some NATO countries abandoned tanks altogether, while in others it decreased significantly ...
                1. Gato
                  Gato 26 March 2021 15: 00
                  -1
                  I am not the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation to answer such questions. Write to him, Shoigu or VVP right away - perhaps they can satisfy your curiosity. lol
                  1. Essex62
                    Essex62 27 March 2021 09: 55
                    +1
                    TD of the USSR division was supposed to be exported lol use. It didn't work out, but what for the bourgeoisie to tease the owners. Decreased quickly. Well, they exhaled with relief and also shrank, focusing on high-precision and inconspicuous, offensive weapons.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 25 March 2021 17: 53
    -1
    Quote: figvam
    Maybe they want to form a new division from a brigade in Crimea?

    What division are you? We already have 4 of them ...
    It seems clearly written that the 56th Air Assault Brigade. (Kamyshin) and DShB (Feodosia) together form the DShP (it was previously stated that it will be organizationally part of the 7th DShD (mountain) Novorossiysk) .... thus from the 56th DShBr. (for the formation of a new regiment) two dshb and a regimental set are allocated, everything else is reduced ...
  • nonsense
    nonsense 25 March 2021 18: 10
    0
    Shoigu is an enemy of the people. It develops and numerically increases exclusively the most unnecessary branches of the armed forces (airborne forces, long-range aviation, ...). But in reality, motorized rifle and tank troops have to fight. What is the use of "bare-bellied" paratroopers (without normal armor) in combined arms combat? - no. They, the paratroopers, have their own highly specialized tasks. And for their solution the Airborne Forces units are more than enough.
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 25 March 2021 18: 24
      0
      Shoigu is doing the right thing: making the Airborne Forces heavier while maintaining their mobility. Because the ancient military wisdom says: "Better once in time than three times right!"
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 26 March 2021 02: 29
        +1
        Quote: Roma-1977
        Shoigu is doing the right thing: he makes the Airborne Forces heavier while maintaining their mobility.

        One contradicts the other.
    2. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 25 March 2021 18: 26
      0
      Quote: nespich
      And for their solution, airborne units are more than enough.

      They want to increase the airborne forces to 75 airborne forces
    3. Essex62
      Essex62 25 March 2021 18: 52
      +1
      Calm down, there will be no more either the first or the second Ukrainian and Belorussian fronts. With insect catching, in wet trenches. Conditions have changed, technical progress rules. Airmobile forces are what you need for local networks.
      1. nonsense
        nonsense 25 March 2021 19: 54
        +2
        laughing paratroopers are the most unnecessary in local wars. Both Shoigu and So are constantly increasing their numbers ...
        PS: besides, "airmobile forces" are too expensive to "operate" and too vulnerable "on the march." There is no need to idealize them.
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 26 March 2021 11: 58
          -3
          High level of training, high mobility, very serious weapons. What else are you missing? It is not necessary to throw berets from the sides. Are you all trying on NATU? They will not crawl with their belly, grind them with axes, they have them like a fool of candy wrappers, then they will go to occupy. And we, in response, will glaze the atolls, where Masonic families are sitting and in paradise. Taking Berlin, once again, is problematic. The level of the killers is prohibitive today, the mobresource will end very quickly. But the "in place" of the Airborne Forces is just right. To push through aligarchic interests.
      2. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 26 March 2021 02: 30
        -1
        Quote: Essex62
        Catching insects, in wet trenches. Conditions have changed, technical progress rules. Airmobile forces are what you need for local networks.

        Tell it to the APU.
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 26 March 2021 11: 47
          0
          And in 404 x everything is in one place. I wrote about the RF Armed Forces.
    4. Alexfly
      Alexfly 25 March 2021 19: 00
      0
      With our territory and the lack of sufficient troops and the weakness of the mobilization reserve, the Airborne Forces will just defend the borders of the homeland with their "naked" belly ... Or the Chinese and the Japanese seem like brothers to you ... The life of a paratrooper is designed for 3 hours of modern combat. This is from the days of the USSR, when I had the honor to serve .. Now even less .. But without them, the gifts will not be shut up.
      1. nonsense
        nonsense 25 March 2021 19: 59
        +3
        It's funny ... To use the Airborne Forces to "defend the borders of the Motherland" is a stupid idea. Expensive and resource-intensive, highly vulnerable and ineffective ... Airborne Forces is a tool attack, allowing you to keep your neighbors / opponents in suspense. But not protection ...
        1. Alexfly
          Alexfly 26 March 2021 16: 42
          0
          In modern conditions of development of air defense, the flight of such large targets is practically impossible ...
          1. nonsense
            nonsense 26 March 2021 18: 57
            0
            just about, in order to prevent such large targets from flying into its territory, the enemy is forced to invest hefty resources in the development and maintenance of the combat readiness of the air defense forces. Those. the presence of airborne forces at the opponent in itself requires the consumption of resources to prevent the danger of their use ...
            1. Alexfly
              Alexfly 27 March 2021 13: 10
              0
              We need mobile troops, one-year-old to be transported over long distances (the country is a huge one) with the possibility of landing, since there will be little hope for airfields, the "border" ones will be destroyed or rendered unusable. I hope you understand that the air defense protects the Defense Ministry and missile bases, there will not be enough resources for everything else .. The Airborne Forces and other highly mobile rapid reaction units should be deployed far from the borders. The mobilization reserve must be maintained in working order, there are few women, they do not give birth to more
              1. nonsense
                nonsense 27 March 2021 16: 13
                0
                Railways will make any (motorized rifle, tank, ...) troops highly mobile! :) And they don't need airfields ... And if, at the expense of sane conscripts and full command staff, they are filled 100% and fully carry out their studies, then they will be the very same rapid response units.
                1. Alexfly
                  Alexfly 28 March 2021 11: 21
                  0
                  I dare to doubt, look where the railways pass? If in the European part it is even worse, then in Siberia and the Far East along the border with China, there are no railway backup and the poorest automobile network. Cutting and plugging this road is not at all difficult, especially in connection with the scarcity of modern air defense ... By knocking down a couple of sostv with oil and coal, you can arrange a long-playing fireworks. For transport aviation, airfields, of course, are needed, but they are not the same as for civil aviation ..
        2. Essex62
          Essex62 26 March 2021 17: 37
          +1
          There is only one tool for the mind of the decision-makers of the other side - a vigorous loaf. If it hadn't been for him, we were snatched back in the 90s, early 2000s. There was no country, no army, no hard power. They hung by a thread. They took pity on their skins, and we thought ourselves, over time, we would disintegrate - we would bend. Luckily, our boys were offended by not allowing them to become Masons, they ate the bit and let's again promote militarism. Only on the bourgeois platform.
          We need a well-trained, contract army of professionals, with modern equipment and weapons. There are no tasks now for a huge mass of troops and armor. TMV will only use nuclear weapons. Lokalka is only possible. To think that the roof of those will move down and they will lose the sense of self-preservation, a useless expense of the already meager state resources.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 26 March 2021 18: 25
            0
            Quote: Essex62
            We need a well-trained, contract army of professionals, with modern equipment and weapons. There are no tasks now for a huge mass of troops and armor. TMV will only use nuclear weapons. Lokalka is only possible.

            Everything is correct, except for the possibility of a local war - it will not happen, because the Americans understand no worse than we do that they will get it right away if they decide to use the armed forces to solve some problem with our country.
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 27 March 2021 09: 44
              0
              Here is local, on the periphery is quite possible. Yes, it is, in fact, already underway; only the liberal-bourgeois gopa can perceive the outskirts as a contiguous state. Here is the western front, the Caucasus and Asia, another one. But the fact that they will not climb into the territory of the Russian Federation with open aggression is a fact. They will solve the problem, as from the end of the 80s, by the decomposition of youth. Moreover, "patriotism" does not fit well with the idea of ​​profit at any cost.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 27 March 2021 10: 47
                0
                Quote: Essex62
                Yes, it is, in fact, already underway; only the liberal-bourgeois gopa can perceive the outskirts as a contiguous state.

                The Americans will be afraid to send regular troops to Ukraine, and then force the Ukrainian Armed Forces to attack us - they understand very well that they can only send advisers, otherwise the Middle East will seem like paradise to them compared to the neighboring one. I think Putin's hands have been itching for a long time, and he is just waiting for the Ukrainian Armed Forces to hit the Donbass in order to crush them and return the two republics to their former borders, before later recognizing them as independent states.

                Quote: Essex62
                The problem will be solved, as from the end of the 80s, by the decomposition of youth. Moreover, "patriotism" does not fit well with the idea of ​​profit at any cost.

                Yes, that is how they will act, and here we need the unity of the entire people more than ever.
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 28 March 2021 00: 14
                  0
                  Unity in what, striving for success? In the sense of who will be the first to snatch, and who did not have time to step on? There will be no unity among the people living at different poles. As soon as the appeal was returned, the gentleman, it immediately filled with practical meaning. The Soviets can see this very well. The majority do not give a damn about swinging another flower garden, they survive. Especially after the government's covid.
      2. Konnick
        Konnick 26 March 2021 13: 55
        +1
        The life of a paratrooper is designed for 3 hours of modern combat

        Where do these calculations come from and who counted them, then the tank is designed for 30 minutes, then the paratrooper for 3 hours. One will say, and hundreds will repeat. Combat is not mathematics, but skill and logistics.
        1. Alexfly
          Alexfly 26 March 2021 16: 41
          0
          The calculation is not for a paratrooper, but for the deployment of a battalion behind enemy lines .. You need to put up with this ..
    5. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 26 March 2021 15: 48
      0
      Quote: nespich
      Shoigu is an enemy of the people.

      "Thoughtful" expression, read out the entire list of pzhl .....
      It develops and numerically increases exclusively the most unnecessary branches of the armed forces (airborne forces, long-range aviation, ...).

      Why unnecessary? The most numerous airborne forces in the United States (18th Airborne Forces) and the PRC (15th Airborne Forces), and here and there, the Airborne Forces are subordinate to the SV. Large airborne forces are also part of the KPA ....
      The 18th US Airborne Force participated in all conflicts in which the US and its armed forces participated.
      On the use of the airborne forces of other empirical countries in the post-war period - Great Britain, France and Israel, you can find in Google ...
      Thanks to the Soviet Airborne Forces and the GRU, in the 68th year of Czechoslovakia, within 24 hours, it was successfully returned to the friendly "Soviet camp" .....
      The airborne assault units in the DRA successfully performed their tasks by closely interacting with the AA command and combined arms units, conducting independent and joint operations with the 40th OA ...
      Although the structure of the Airborne Forces may need to be changed.
      All existing airborne divisions (106th and 98th), 45th br. Special Forces of the Airborne Forces, Br. connections, etc. combine into one VDK, reinforcing it with brigade-level artillery and tank formations ...
      Disband all airborne assault rifles (7th and 76th) and create two airborne assault brigades on their basis. which, together with separate DShBr. reassign to the commander of the VO ....
      DShBr. also deploy to KOR, KSF, KTOF.
      Regarding BTA, I don’t understand why you dragged it in? Her task is not only the delivery of airborne units by air ...
      But in reality, motorized rifle and tank troops have to fight. What is the use of "bare-bellied" paratroopers (without normal armor) in combined arms combat? - no.

      I agree, but the fact is that the training of a paratrooper takes more time than a motorized rifle ... and in wartime conditions there will be no time for this ...
  • Ripap
    Ripap 25 March 2021 18: 26
    +1
    I honestly cannot imagine how the combat use of the Airborne Forces in modern conditions for its intended purpose (an amphibious operation behind enemy lines) can be realized. So I can see how the adversary looks like a flock of Il-1 is dropping over him at an altitude of 76 km .. It's funny, by God. The most useless troops, by God, it would be better if these resources were transferred to the Navy and the Land Forces ..
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 25 March 2021 19: 49
      +3
      It's easy to imagine. No one is going to parachute divisions, but to airlift them thousands of kilometers away, landing at airfields adjacent to the crisis area - yes.
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 26 March 2021 13: 59
        0
        Nobody is going to parachute divisions,

        Sometimes they are going to conduct exercises with the landing of an entire division, then the field does not find the required size, then the weather does not allow. The regiment was parachuted at most over the past 20 years, and then they waited for the weather for a month, then the wind, then the rain.
    2. vitvit123
      vitvit123 25 March 2021 20: 48
      +1
      [quote] The most useless troops, by God, / quote]
      Something personal?
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 25 March 2021 21: 03
        0
        quote] The most useless troops, by God, / quote]
        Something personal?

        The wrong thing is taught.
        Half of the preparation is landing, which is not useful in modern conditions.
        This means less time for the rest necessary (tactics, fire).
        Means in the necessary - the preparation is weaker.

        This is roughly how to revive the cavalry.
        1. vitvit123
          vitvit123 26 March 2021 09: 51
          +1
          Those. popular opinion about the most prepared type of troops, is it a myth?
          They didn’t seem to have landed in Chechnya, but then why did they use this branch of troops? And so the scoundrels showed examples of courage and combat training. Why do they fly to Syria? .. they don't jump from the aircraft, the villains just eat bread ..
          and in general, every conflict begs itself, is absolutely unnecessary, but they climb, go around everywhere, or are they everywhere?
          And what kind of troops is more prepared in combat training than the Airborne Forces? Tell me please ?
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 26 March 2021 13: 46
            +2
            Those. popular opinion about the most prepared type of troops, is it a myth?
            They didn’t seem to have landed in Chechnya, but then why did they use this type of troops?

            Of course. And worst of all, the country's leadership believes in this myth. Believe some Grachev, and then rake the whole country for years.

            And in Chechnya they used everything in a row, including riot police.
            1. vitvit123
              vitvit123 26 March 2021 13: 50
              0
              You specifically answer the meaning of my comment, there are even questions there .., just the riot police and the military should have worked .., and the answer that you wrote is called a flood ..
              1. Doctor
                Doctor 26 March 2021 14: 34
                0
                You specifically answer the meaning of my comment, there are even questions there .., just the riot police and the military should have worked .., and the answer that you wrote is called a flood ..


                In Chechnya, the Airborne Forces were used as infantry.
                The RAP was not useful to them. So the time spent on it is wasted.
                With the same success they could be taught to ride, also develops a lot of things.

                But worst of all, because of the RAP, they had less time for the rest. Stupidly fewer hours for fire, tactics, etc.
                And that means the average, private paratrooper is less prepared for the conduct of battle than a motorized rifleman.

                The rest is answered below.
          2. Doctor
            Doctor 26 March 2021 13: 47
            0
            And so the scoundrels showed examples of courage and combat training.

            Courage - yes, combat training - not sure. Can you give examples?
            1. vitvit123
              vitvit123 26 March 2021 13: 55
              0
              And the Pskov paratroopers, is this not an example of combat training? Or, in your understanding, they just stupidly substituted themselves for the bullets and immediately died? Or is it that they held out for so long, there is only courage?
              1. Doctor
                Doctor 26 March 2021 14: 26
                +2
                And the Pskov paratroopers, is this not an example of combat training?

                And you read the analysis of their actions (and their superior commanders in the first place) and decide for yourself.

                Speznazers have a saying: heroism begins where professionalism ends. wink
                1. Alexfly
                  Alexfly 27 March 2021 13: 14
                  0
                  Do not confuse tovarisch, the Airborne Forces are not special forces, highly mobile infantry with the possibility of landing, however, I am proud, highly motivated and based on traditions ...
                  1. Doctor
                    Doctor 27 March 2021 15: 17
                    0
                    Do not confuse tovarisch, the Airborne Forces are not special forces, highly mobile infantry with the possibility of landing, however, I am proud, highly motivated and based on traditions ...

                    I agree with everything 200%.
                    But.
                    If you have to call the fire on yourself, it means that you have not finished working somewhere.
                    And do not forget, the barmaley nevertheless took the height and left the encirclement. request
                    1. Alexfly
                      Alexfly 28 March 2021 11: 12
                      0
                      You know or understand that in the traditions of commanding, all decisions are made by the superior, hence the troubles. Plus a disgusting connection (which always)
          3. Doctor
            Doctor 26 March 2021 13: 49
            +1
            Why do they fly to Syria? .. they don't jump from the aircraft, the villains just eat bread ..

            They fly because there is such a type of troops.
            Who jumps here for some reason, but in war - no, for some reason. wink
            1. vitvit123
              vitvit123 26 March 2021 14: 10
              0
              Your friend below answered for me that I meant something like that ..
          4. Tavrik
            Tavrik 26 March 2021 14: 04
            0
            Currently, the Airborne Forces is a special type of Guards infantry. Very motivated, close-knit, with high morale. And this is achieved, among other things, as a result of airborne training, which is being transformed from an element of combat training into an element of moral and psychological training. Here is such a "house", "trick".
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 26 March 2021 14: 24
              +1
              Currently, the Airborne Forces is a special type of Guards infantry. Very motivated, close-knit, with high morale. And this is achieved, among other things, as a result of airborne training, which is being transformed from an element of combat training into an element of moral and psychological training. Here is such a "house", "trick".

              Sailing sailors also insisted for a long time on the sailing training of battleship crews. She seems to develop courage.

              But courage is different.
              They developed not afraid of heights, but it was necessary to develop not afraid of a couple in a confined space.

              Confidence in battle (and in any business) gives a practiced skill. The right skill.
              Compare a driving school student and a seasoned taxi driver.

              Teaching what is needed in war is the main principle.
          5. nonsense
            nonsense 26 March 2021 19: 18
            0
            smile Let me answer your question in a simple way. The most prepared is the kind of troops that cook the most! But the resources allocated for the training of the armed forces are not unlimited. If you train the best of all the Airborne Forces (and preliminarily select the best potential soldiers there), then of course, your Airborne Forces will be the best prepared ... to the detriment of motorized rifle troops, for example ... And besides, all the advantages of training the Airborne Forces instantly are lost in local wars where armor and firepower are needed, and the airborne forces, due to their specificity, are deprived of this. So it turns out that the most trained soldiers a) are forced to work not "in their specialty" performing tasks unusual for them; b) perform these tasks that are not yours on a technique that is in no way adapted for such tasks... As a result, the most trained soldiers suffer the greatest losses ... Invest resources in the training of motorized riflemen and tankers - the result (in local conflicts) will greatly surpass that of the Airborne Forces units.
        2. Diverter
          Diverter April 1 2021 23: 55
          0
          how many people, so many opinions. I think that in every district it would be very nice to have a cavalry regiment. It should relate to ..... DShD (mountain). For a horse in the mountains is better than stomping with his feet. Again, suddenly you have to create partisan detachments, then here's the basis. And it will not be worse for the development of agriculture in the country.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 25 March 2021 18: 29
    -2
    Quote: figvam
    The Airborne Forces is the Il-76.

    The takeoff of the Il-76 is detected by modern radars hundreds of kilometers away. And such huge targets are knocked out by any air defense system, even from the 70s. If you could arrange a nuclear raid on the enemy, level everything, then you can land troops. wassat
    1. Gato
      Gato 25 March 2021 19: 52
      +2
      IL-76

      These Il-76s were given to you wassat dshbr - this is the Mi-8 and tactical landings at shallow depths with limited tactical goals. A kind of Air Cavalry.
      It is unlikely that anyone is going to arrange epic landings in the style of the 1935 KVO exercises or "Dnepr-67"
  • saygon66
    saygon66 25 March 2021 20: 11
    0
    - Where are they going to recruit people for the new regiments-brigades?
    - We won - The head of the regional Department of Internal Affairs announced that he could not recruit staff "because of the militarization of the region"! request
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 26 March 2021 01: 43
      -1
      That's a good question.
      There will be full headquarters. And the real soldier's strength in the regiment is one battalion.
    2. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 26 March 2021 02: 35
      +1
      Quote: saygon66
      - We won - The head of the regional Department of Internal Affairs announced that he could not recruit staff "because of the militarization of the region"! request

      Didn't he try to cut the ATC staff?
  • Holuay T.O
    Holuay T.O 25 March 2021 21: 03
    -6
    What kind of build-up?
    Here I see a weakening in the example of the 56 Legendary Airborne Brigade!
    And relocation to Crimea is unreasonable! This is a missile strike! Such units, on the contrary, must be pulled away from the line of contact, these are not motorized rifles, defense is not their purpose! Are they adequate in MO?
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 25 March 2021 21: 53
      +1
      Quote: Holuay T.O.
      What kind of build-up?
      Here I see a weakening in the example of the 56 Legendary Airborne Brigade!
      And relocation to Crimea is unreasonable! This is a missile strike! Such units, on the contrary, must be pulled away from the line of contact, these are not motorized rifles, defense is not their purpose! Are they adequate in MO?

      Since the time of the work of Jaroslav Hasek "The Adventures of the Gallant Soldier Švejk during the First World War," little has changed in the minds. Do not get boiled over, just re-read. hi
  • Holuay T.O
    Holuay T.O 25 March 2021 21: 05
    -4
    leave alone the 56th Airborne Brigade, it is needed for offensive operations!
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 26 March 2021 02: 42
      0
      Quote: Holuay T.O.
      leave alone the 56th Airborne Brigade, it is needed for offensive operations!

      It was considered that on the continental part of the Southern Military District of the Russian Federation, it is enough to have one 7th Air Assault Division (mountain), and in Crimea it is necessary to have an airborne assault unit in the form of an Air Assault Regiment (which will be part of the specified division), to perform independent operations, covering the Crimean coast from the landing of enemy troops, the fight against the second echelons of the enemy and the RDG of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the reinforcement of units and subunits in important areas, and in the Stavropol Territory, what will the 56th do?
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 25 March 2021 22: 05
    +3
    Shoigu announced the creation new airborne regiments

    The Russian Ministry of Defense has decided to deploy new airborne assault units Airborne Forces

    So regiments or divisions?

    But further - more:

    reorganize the 56th airborne assault brigade into the 56th airborne assault regiment

    Cutting a brigade down to a regiment is an increase in combat capabilities?

    Strange presentation of the material.
    1. Gato
      Gato 26 March 2021 00: 22
      +3
      So regiments or divisions?

      Well, people do not know how a unit differs from a unit. What is there to be surprised at the strange presentation of the material? Optimization is like that, it concerns everyone ..
    2. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 26 March 2021 02: 46
      -2
      Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Cutting a brigade down to a regiment is an increase in combat capabilities?
      Strange presentation of the material.

      You just do not perceive the material ...
      Speaking at the collegium of the Ministry of Defense, the head of the military department announced creation of the third airborne assault regiment in Pskov

      Angry and inattentive members of the forum at the same time, it becomes more and more ... a paradox ... there were people, like people ...
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 26 March 2021 04: 24
        +2
        Obviously, the material is difficult for you. I wrote about a factual error and the author's strange submission. Where did you see something that needs to be answered by mentioning about the creation of a regiment in Pskov? Paradox, yes. If you become angry here with you, you don't want to think at all.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 26 March 2021 12: 57
          -3
          Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Obviously, the material is difficult for you.

          In vain, being rude will not become smarter from this ...
          I wrote about a factual error and the author's strange submission.

          Yes, I saw your comment:
          So regiments or divisions?

          It seems that the title of the article for the dull ones says:
          "As part of building up combat capabilities": Shoigu announced creation of new airborne regiments

          And according to the text of the article, it is indicated about the formation of new regiments, one of them is based on the existing brigade, it seems that everyone understands everything, they wanted to hype or decided to troll, without indicating anything worthwhile about what was happening ...
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 30 March 2021 00: 57
            +1
            You to me:
            Quote: Lara Croft
            You just do not perceive the material ...

            I to you:
            Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
            Obviously, the material is difficult for you.

            You to me:
            Quote: Lara Croft
            rude

            You decided that you can be rude with impunity, and now you are indignant that it turned out to be wrong? I even answered you with your words - this could already lead to some thoughts, if you are still capable of thoughts.
    3. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 26 March 2021 12: 48
      -3
      Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Cutting a brigade down to a regiment is an increase in combat capabilities?
      Strange presentation of the material.

      The fact is that the "cut off" brigade to the regiment will become part of the 7th DShD (mountain), i.e. the third regiment in its composition ..., which will be deployed in the Crimea ...
      The 56th DShBr will be reduced to two DShBs with part of the regimental kit already attached and transferred to the Crimea, where a relatively recently formed DSBR is now located in Feodosia. All together they will make up a new airborne squadron, which they talked about on the "zombie box" when they deployed the airborne squadron in Feodosia, then they said that in the future an airborne regiment would be deployed in the Crimea, which will be organizationally part of the 7th military airborne division (mountain). ...
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 30 March 2021 01: 00
        +1
        Quote: Lara Croft
        The fact

        You can tell whatever you want, but this is not in the article. But the article contains errors that I mentioned above. The lack of education of the author and the strange presentation of the material are obvious.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 30 March 2021 01: 23
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          Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Quote: Lara Croft
          The fact

          You can tell whatever you want, but this is not in the article. But the article contains errors that I mentioned above. The lack of education of the author and the strange presentation of the material are obvious.

          If offended, sorry pzhl. I just do not like it when they find fault with trifles, the author tried to do something, then they will not write any article anyway, they will find something to complain about, if not to the very writing of the article, so to the topic of the article itself, there is experience.
  • Cyril732017
    Cyril732017 26 March 2021 07: 46
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    In Voronezh, the homeland of the Airborne Forces, at least some unit was "imprisoned". otherwise it’s not patriotic
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 26 March 2021 12: 31
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    "... to preform ... the brigade into a regiment ..." Probably, again, the "journalists" confused something, what's the point of reorganizing the brigade into a regiment, it is, in fact, equal in number of l / s units, the brigade is even more mobile , since it has more heterogeneous units in its composition, for example, a tank brigade has 2-3 tank battalions, 1-2 motorized rifle battalions, artillery and other units, and a tank regiment has only three tank battalions. If you reorganize the brigade, then only into a division, most likely, the airborne assault battalion in the Crimea will be turned into a regiment, and the brigade into a division
  • Diverter
    Diverter 26 March 2021 16: 00
    +2
    my deep couch opinion:
    each military district should have three regimental composition:
    1 SDA trained for the local theater of operations (i.e. if the Western VO, then the division should be sharpened for geyrop)
    1 DShD
    1 DShD (mountain).
    With regards to the DShD, they must have a reinforced helicopter regiment.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 30 March 2021 01: 43
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      Quote: Saboteur
      my deep couch opinion:
      each military district should have three regimental composition:
      1 SDA trained for the local theater of operations (i.e. if the Western VO, then the division should be sharpened for geyrop)
      1 DShD
      1 DShD (mountain).

      In the Russian Federation there are 4 VO (USC). It turns out according to your patterns in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, should there be: 4 Airborne Forces and 8 Airborne Forces?
      If each has 10 military units, then how many will remain to serve in the military? For comparison, the Army of the Russian Federation is inferior in number to the Russian Guard. And why so many (000) airborne divisions, if there are only one aircraft in the military aviation now? And all the AA helicopters will have to be given to the Airborne Forces ....?
      1. Diverter
        Diverter April 1 2021 23: 39
        +1
        In the Russian Federation there are 4 VO (USC). It turns out according to your patterns in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, should there be: 4 Airborne Forces and 8 Airborne Forces?

        Yes. I think so.

        [quoteIf each has 10 v / s, then how much will remain to serve in the SV?] [/ quote]

        SV in a hard time can be quickly replenished with mob resources. In the MP and the Airborne Forces, fighters must constantly engage in military training. Vanya Pupkina from the Chervono collective farm can be mobilized for mobilization, but what's the use of it?

        Everyone has known about the problem for a long time. That is why we have come to grips with the creation and production of boards for it.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft April 1 2021 23: 53
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          [quote = Saboteur] If each will have 10 v / s, then how much will then remain to serve in the CB?] [/ quote] The CB can be quickly replenished with mob resources in a tough time. [/ quote]
          I think your opinion is wrong. There are quite a lot of VUS in the Army, the preparation, which should take a lot of time, no less than for an airborne reconnaissance officer .... at the moment military registration and enlistment offices are bursting with cabinets with VUS 999 "limited valid" .... and the deployment of the Army by wartime states , now no one will give, accordingly, the empirialists already in peacetime keep formations of a permanent composition, which are allocated against the war with us, all the rest of the formations and parts of the reserve ...
          Whatever one may say, 1,5 hundred thousand for the ground forces for the Russian Federation is not enough, even if we will be allowed to mobilize, at the moment the number of Rosgvardia is more than all the ground forces ... and you want to reduce them by half ... .150 people in the ground forces, after your reform, this is 000 people for each district, provided that all AA VKS helicopters will have to be given to the Airborne Forces, and there will be enough weapons and military aircraft for one airborne division ...
          1. Diverter
            Diverter 18 May 2021 23: 17
            -1
            As Uncle Vasya used to say, the Airborne Forces should be thrown into the mouth of the aggressor! To break this mouth. If the number of infantry decreases, then the number of the Airborne Forces will increase. What is the question then?
  • Diverter
    Diverter 26 March 2021 16: 02
    +1
    I believe that there should be a full-blooded division of the DShD in Crimea. sharpened for actions in the countries of the Black Sea region.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 30 March 2021 01: 44
      -1
      Quote: Saboteur
      I believe that there should be a full-blooded division of the DShD in Crimea. sharpened for actions in the countries of the Black Sea region.

      Well, yes, 3 out of 5 of which are in NATO, 2 others are bursting there with bulging eyes ...
      1. Diverter
        Diverter April 1 2021 23: 29
        +1
        still call. Iiii sho?
        Since I had a lot of intersections with the lads of the VDVeshniki, I can say with confidence. They are very deeply "all the same" in here who is or not. This is such a category of "gouging-dumb people" (sorry for the expression) for which there are no authorities from other countries and cannot be. They will come and give everyone in the neck, and they will not really understand who is hu. And then with clean eyes they will say that they were not there.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft April 1 2021 23: 39
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          Quote: Saboteur
          Since I had a lot of intersections with the lads of the VDVeshniki, I can say with confidence. They are very deeply "all the same" in here who is or not. This is such a category of "gouging-dumb people" (sorry for the expression) for which there are no authorities from other countries and cannot be.

          I believe. They are in all units and subdivisions of the RF Armed Forces. But the General Staff is not indifferent, they need to correctly assess the balance of power, to save the country's resources, incl. human and correctly determine the use of certain compounds.
          What tasks are you going to set the DShD in the Crimean theater of operations, and if outside of it, then there is enough 7th DShD (mountain) of the Southern Military District, if it is not enough, then what tasks will you assign to the forces (which should be part of the Southern Military District, according to your comment above) - 1 VDD, DShD, DShD (mountain) .....?
  • lubesky
    lubesky 27 March 2021 12: 56
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    Quote: NKT
    Yes, but their number has been significantly reduced in comparison with what was in the USSR Armed Forces. There were 14 brigades, two regiments and about 20 separate companies, and now there are eight brigades

    The deployment of such a number of GRU SPN brigades was dictated by the OKSVA situation in the DRA, and not because there was
  • Kirill Petrov_2
    Kirill Petrov_2 27 March 2021 19: 17
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    I did not understand anything - there is a brigade - it is more than a regiment in terms of capabilities, but it is far from a potential threat - they make a regiment out of it and move it to the Crimea - the meaning of the reorganization is not clear - well, create the infrastructure and transfer the brigade. I remembered how the divisions were killed, then they returned to them again - the airborne forces needed helicopters and transports and not changing signs ...
  • Semyon Sukhov
    Semyon Sukhov 28 March 2021 00: 54
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    Zelensky needs to stock up on diapers ...
  • Semyon Sukhov
    Semyon Sukhov 28 March 2021 00: 56
    +1

    Zelensky needs to stock up on diapers ...
    1. Diverter
      Diverter April 1 2021 23: 31
      0
      photo - fire !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
  • Chisinau-300pdp
    Chisinau-300pdp April 20 2021 16: 14
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    WHERE IS THE BATTLE SVIRSKY-300 PDP Guards, Order-Bearing Participant in the WWII !!! ??? ... was withdrawn from Chisinau and killed in ABAKAN ... the Svirskaya division remained and the Svirsk regiment with 12 ++ HEROES was reduced-NONSENS.
    thanks to the actions of former paratroopers in politics, and specifically the hero of the Chechen war, the famous General Vladimir Shamanov, it was possible to return to the Airborne Forces three airborne assault brigades (11th, 56th, 83rd) and 242nd training (sergeant) center, previously transferred to the Ground Forces.