A batch of modernized BMP-2M entered service with motorized riflemen of the Central Military District

In anticipation of the arrival of the newest types of equipment, the Ministry of Defense continues to supply the troops with already proven armored vehicles, which have undergone modernization. According to the press service of the Central Military District, a batch of modernized BMP-2M infantry fighting vehicles has arrived in the district.

According to the report, the BMP-2M entered the motorized rifle units of the Vitebsko-Novgorod guards twice Red Banner tank division stationed in the Chelyabinsk region. The batch includes eight BMPs that have undergone modernization.

(...) The BMP-2M has an automatic fire control system that allows the commander and gunner to act as a whole in the daytime and at night (...) a new radio station R-168 "Aqueduct" has been installed, capable of stably operating in conditions of electronic influence by the enemy

- said in a statement.

Earlier it was reported that by the end of 2022, the troops will receive 124 modernized BMP-2M with the Berezhok combat module.

BMP-2 is one of the most massive infantry fighting vehicles. Intended to transport soldiers to the front line, increasing their mobility, armament and security, including the use of nuclear weapons... The vehicle entered service in 1980 and was produced until 1990. Currently, the Russian army is in service with more than 5 thousand BMP-2.

During the modernization of the BMP-2M, the latest devices for "panoramic" aiming and observation, which have the functionality of night vision, are received, a new radio station is installed. The vehicle is equipped with a two-seat combat module "Berezhok", which is a classic BMP-2 turret, but with new weapons.

The BMP-2M is armed with Kornet anti-tank guided missiles, an 30-mm automatic cannon, a 7,62 mm caliber machine gun and an 30-mm AG-30M automatic grenade launcher with an independent vertical-guided drive and an 300 grenade powering magazine.

Comments

[Victor Tsenin]

Nice improvement for modest money. True, it is probably time to demote it in the armored personnel carrier because of the corresponding (very low) level of protection.

[Flooding]

Quote: Victor Tsenin

Nice improvement for modest money. True, it is probably time to demote it in the armored personnel carrier because of the corresponding (very low) level of protection.

nevertheless, without adequate reinforcement of the armor protection of the crew and the landing force, it is difficult to assess this modernization unequivocally

[loki565]

Yes, rather it is an armored personnel carrier, covering the infantry in attacks is already problematic

[Barberry25]

well, here we started to buy additional sets of spacers for them

[Victor Tsenin]

Is the level of protection brought to about 2D in this way?

[Yrec]

Hmm, "party". Not even a company kit.

[zloybond]

And for the entire division and the district! Loud delivery. NEWS to the whole planet - like an aircraft carrier was lowered. It’s sad.

[Victor Tsenin]

That's what's sad about it, the process is going on, this is not the first batch and not the last. You saw the tar in a barrel of honey)

[zloybond]

God forbid, if so it will be regular. Although if you believe the rearmament program - then at least one step forward to step models, and not mark time. There are so many advertisements about treshki. For cardon we offer advanced models, we are building yesterday at home.

[Victor Tsenin]

Yes, of course, the process has started and there is not a single reason for an opportunity.
Treshka is also no longer particularly relevant, in fact, the upcoming BTR-90 is more BMP than the above combat vehicles.

[Lord of the Sith]

This year, 800 units of tanks and other armored vehicles will be delivered. They write about a separate unit.
This is what was delivered in 2020 https://altyn73.livejournal.com/1442192.html

[Cananecat]

I would like to ask the Ministry of Defense ... where is the notorious BMP-3 in the units?

[Alexey-74]

modernize BMP 2 80s - this is good, of course, better than nothing, but my question is - when will the new equipment go to the troops? There are very few BMP-3s in the Armed Forces, there is silence beyond Kurganets, etc.

[Escobar]

The motor resource of new technology is probably saved for parades

[Barberry25]

BMP-2m go to the troops as an additional party ... they are not even capitalized on Kurgan, but near Tula

[Ryazan87]

BMP-3 is very small in the Armed Forces,

The RF Armed Forces have 560 BMP-3s. Not so little, actually. 350 Pumas have been ordered for the entire Bundeswehr, for example. Another thing is that the BMP-3 machine, which entered the army 30 years ago, is also already outdated by the order + it has ineradicable vices. Weak defense, first of all.
As for the BMP-2, now it is only suitable for training units, well, there is a third line of some kind. Even for a war with terrorists, there is no way.
BMP-2 is very clearly sharpened for a certain theater of operations and a certain concept of warfare. Not relevant today.

[Disant]

Not relevant today.

and what is relevant?

[alexmach]

This is a very good question. The question "What kind of war should one prepare for" is relevant.

[Couchexpert]

Quote: Disant

and what is relevant?

[DMi]

T-15 in any case in the army will be small. Even when they go into the series. Most pekhrzhy will still ride on light armored personnel carriers.

[Disant]

this technique is relevant for a specific war, in a specific theater of operations, with a low intensity of battles.
It's like a fashion show. From here you have to take the best.

Conventional BMP-2 is versatile. But Ryazanets87 believes that it is irrelevant.
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As soon as the losses go, these BMPs in the pictures cannot be quickly made new ones. And you have to be without cars.

[Ryazan87]

Conventional BMP-2 is versatile.

For what? What type of conflict? What tasks? Explain, if it's easy.

[Disant]

What tasks

for any type of conflict for any country. below I have commented about the engine

[Ryazan87]

MRAP, heavy infantry fighting vehicles. In the future, the battlefield vehicles are completely unmanned.

[Disant]

what you suggest

MRAP, heavy infantry fighting vehicles. In the future, the battlefield vehicles are completely unmanned.

not universal - it won't pass, won't float, doesn't work without a power plant.
those imported pieces in the pictures above from CouchExpert are imported at 650 million rubles in rubles, and our Kurganets25 is half as much.
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and this opinion has been proven by import operators-buyers and is being implemented here
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2873928.html
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2873928.html
https://topwar.ru/174695-minoborony-poluchit-bolee-120-bmp-2m-s-boevym-modulem-berezhok.html
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unmanned BMP-2 (with the possibility of landing a crew), I think, already there, are being brought to mind.
BMP-3M Dragoon - there is a remote control for controlling weapons, but it is apparently gold

[hagen]

Quote: Disant

and what is relevant?

Today, its software, its networks and means of storing large amounts of data, its computer hardware in the entire spectrum of needs, restoration and development of the production of electronic components are relevant. And also - the elimination of the fifth column and the introduction of ideology into education and culture. This is from the first needs. If we solve this (well, and something else), then the BMP-3 may not be required in principle. A large-scale war in the European theater of operations, similar to WWII, is less relevant today than "lokalki" with the Barmaley or Bandera. But the battle in the "networks" is already underway. And navalnata with sorosets today are successfully learning to shake the country at all sorts of "open ...." courses, organized by various Khodorkovsky. There are already a dozen of them here alone ... This is what, I think, is more relevant today, and on which, obviously, the funds are spent that are not enough to "drive" the BMP-2 into the troops in even larger volumes instead of the BMP-3 ...

[Disant]

A large-scale war in the European theater of operations, similar to WWII, is less relevant today than "lokalki" with the Barmaley or Bandera.

yes, of course - FOR TODAY - less relevant.
lokalki:
the length of the border between Russia and Ukraine is 3000 km.
What prevents the Americans, after finishing their missile defense missile (in a couple of years), to place them on all their ships, ships of satellite countries and on the ground - in NATO countries (including Ukraine) and, given a certain international background, to strike by NATO forces as the first preemptive strike EVEN IN A NON-NUCLEAR PERFORMANCE, simultaneously with a thousand tomahawks inland?
Yes, why a thousand, and why immediately, and why deep into the country - twenty a day, week after week? Yugoslavia 2.0. Operation "Forcing Russia to obey"
This game continues, and that's where the breakout of resources from all sides goes.
Think not relevant?
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the introduction of ideology into education and culture.

what are we going to implement?
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Today, its software, its networks and means of storing large amounts of data, its computer hardware in the entire spectrum of needs, restoration and development of the production of electronic components

I agree. I hope we will make it in time

[hagen]

Quote: Disant

Yes, why a thousand, and why immediately, and why deep into the country - twenty a day, week after week? Yugoslavia 2.0.

Only all at once .... Because we are not Yugoslavia. I think it's unnecessary to explain. Big generals understand the difference, and that's the main thing. They also understand that in a couple of years the US / Yugoslavia balance of forces with us cannot be achieved.

Quote: Disant

what are we going to implement?

This is a good question, debatable and not yet resolved. Unfortunately. But very much needed. There is no empire without ideology ...

Quote: Disant

I agree.

Good. The priorities are clear, and, as you can see for yourself, there is very little room for the BMP-3 ... Because only electronics alone is already a huge piece of a problematic industry. And it can't be postponed until tomorrow. You just need political will to stop the slide into liberalism and hope for "market" levers.

[Klingon]

BMP 2M needs to be converted into drones for a long time

[Victor Tsenin]

What for? There are Uranus. The BMP is quite capable of successfully transporting soldiers; it does not need robotization. But the Chrysanthemum, for example, really suggests itself, as a machine of narrow specialization.

[Klingon]

then that for the transportation of fighters she has protection about nothing, but how heavy the drone is

[Victor Tsenin]

For the transportation of soldiers, it is the most, as reported above. And there is no heavy drone by definition, and it is not needed, there are more interesting options, again see above.

[Klingon]

transportation of soldiers is the most it - up to the first land mine under the bottom
ramps, too, by the way, as it was not and no

[Thomas N.]

Quote: Klingon

... ramps, by the way, as it was not and is not

With this height of the machine body:

why is the ramp here?

[Ros 56]

And that, a good thing, to drive the Papuans Bandera. But in the attack on it, no, no.

[Roma 1977]

And the attack on it and do not go in the style of tank avalanches arr. WWII. Take the fighters to the line of contact, so that their legs are not ripped off by anti-personnel mines and so that fragments of enemy shells are not cut, disembark the fighters, and observe from a periscope depth from where these fighters are fired at, sending beams of good at the identified points. Considering that before that, artillery and aviation had already worked on the enemy.

[Bradley]

At one time, there was a good BMP-shka, but not today. Protection is low, and there is no protection against IEDs at all.
These problems were fixed in Kurganets, but they never existed.
I understand that it is necessary to modernize the old too, especially since we have a huge number of BMP-1/2, but still ...
It's a shame that even when "Kurganets" will pass the state. tests, then the army will be saturated with them very slowly.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Bradley

I understand that it is necessary to modernize the old too, especially since we have a huge number of BMP-1/2, but still ...

And I don’t understand why modernize the “mass grave” if it remains a grave? Did you sit in it? Did you ride it through the fields? That's about her in the "bull's eye" ...

Quote: Roma-1977

And the attack on it and do not go in the style of tank avalanches arr. WWII. Take the fighters to the line of contact, so that their legs are not ripped off by anti-personnel mines and so that fragments of enemy shells are not cut, disembark the fighters, and observe from a periscope depth from where these fighters are fired at, sending beams of good at the identified points. Considering that before that, artillery and aviation had already worked on the enemy.

The decision on such modernization is made by those who will not fight on it and will not send sons. Yes ... In the 80s we used this well-known camouflage and now it is the same ... Ugh ...

[Bradley]

I don’t understand why modernize the “mass grave” if it remains a grave? Did you sit in it? Did you ride it through the fields? That's about her in the "bull's eye" ..

I understand perfectly well that this is a coffin. But look from the point of view of MO. The Ministry of Defense is more profitable to save money, which means it is more profitable to modernize what is in the army in bulk, and this is BMP-1/2.
Himself for the fact that they were replaced by more protected "Kurgan", but alas.

[DMi]

Well, how would there be a thermal imager, a panoramic sight, a new LMS, four "cornet", and an AGS on the tower. In terms of firepower, this is a completely different machine.

[Disant]

The decision on such modernization is made by those who will not fight on it and will not send sons. Yes ... In the 80s we used this well-known camouflage and now it is the same ... Ugh ...

in the photo in the article, the usual BMP-2, not M.
what do you suggest to direct camouflage?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Disant

what do you suggest to direct camouflage?

Type and study:

[K150]

Quote: ROSS 42

Quote: Disant

what do you suggest to direct camouflage?

Type and study:

Pixel for parades. Nobody uses it in real life. Amers have just sandy or greenery, the Germans have an olive tree or old-fashioned camouflage, the Brita also have monophonic ones, the Chinese people show the pixel only at exhibitions, usually just brilliant green.

[Disant]

At one time, there was a good BMP-shka, but not today. Protection is low, and there is no protection against IEDs at all.
These problems were fixed in "Kurganets"

Give the BMP-2 a more powerful engine (space allows) and it will be possible to increase the level of protection.
Kurganets is larger in size, during landing, the ramp does not cover the troops, the armament is the same.

[Bradley]

Give the BMP-2 a more powerful engine (space allows) and it will be possible to increase the level of protection.
Kurganets is larger in size, during landing, the ramp does not cover the troops, the armament is the same.

Too much will have to be hung, and together with the engine, a decent mass will come out there, which means that the suspension must be strengthened, which again is weight. Not worth the trouble.
And the ramp of "Kurganets" gives just a quick landing of the landing force, just what you need.

[Disant]

Too much will have to hang

you just have to hang pieces of iron. provide for dismantling and installation before crossing the water barrier, and the floats will be safer.
suspension - yes, strengthen, but the mass of the engine will not play a special role.
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but no one will install a NEW engine, which is sad for modernization with an increase in the level of protection.
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And the ramp "Kurganets" gives just a quick landing of the landing

so there are already 8 of them against five - of course the ramp must be installed.
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I think that for any unit, two upgraded by the engine + protection + berezhok are better than one Kurganets in battle. The BMP-2M has a grenade launcher in the black.
Kurganets still has a variable ground clearance, active protection and, apparently, a more advanced MSA, the BMP-2 has a low profile and cheapness.

[Hermann]

There is a turbocharged engine UTD-23 at 400 l / s versus the native UTD-20S1 at 300 l / s, but I don’t know if it is installed.

[Disant]

There is a turbocharged engine UTD-23

As I understand it, the new engine is being put on a modernized M car. But the cardinal reinforcement with removable armor will normally not pull either it or the chassis.
Need a more powerful engine as I see it

[Bradley]

you just have to hang pieces of iron. provide for dismantling and installation before crossing the water barrier, and the floats will be safer.
suspension - yes, strengthen, but the mass of the engine will not play a special role.

Iron also weighs. Yes, and it is necessary to decide on what threats you need protection. If we are talking about 12.7x99, then this is one thing, but if we are talking about 25 mm, then it is already another.
Also, nothing can be done with the bottom, because if you strengthen it, then inside, and there is not much space there.
Even against 12.7 you will have to hang well, several tons.
It is worth it when the receiver passes the state. tests? Moreover, with better protection, including from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and has a better survivability of the landing party with a crew.

I think that for any unit, two upgraded by the engine + protection + berezhok are better than one Kurganets in battle.

Before the first mine or IED. Against the babakhs "Berezhok" is not needed, but modern protection of the soldiers is needed.

[Disant]

Even against 12.7 you will have to hang well, several tons.

yes in these parameters + from short ranges it would be the most damn good. It would be great.

[Disant]

M113 was brought to mind, as many as 14 thousand modernization kits were released - engine, additional booking, transmission.
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such options

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here is a light option, at least this way without huge expenses, but the equipment needs to be modernized

[DMi]

The BMP 3 was equipped with an 800 hp engine and a protection. We also made a side ramp. BMP Dragoon is called

[Disant]

tell me, if the engine is damaged, the Dragoon will be able to fight?

[DMi]

Is there a technique that, if the engine is damaged, is capable of fighting?)

[Grits]

Quote: DMi

Is there a technique that, if the engine is damaged, is capable of fighting?)

There is. T-34

[Disant]

dmi,
I meant manual aiming drives - are they in the Dragoon or not?

[DMi]

But where do I know that) but in Kurgan, boomerang or armature are they?)

[Thomas N.]

The vehicle is equipped with a two-seat combat module "Berezhok", which is a classic BMP-2 turret, but with new weapons.
The BMP-2M is armed with Kornet anti-tank guided missiles, an 30-mm automatic cannon, a 7,62 mm caliber machine gun and an 30-mm AG-30M automatic grenade launcher with an independent vertical-guided drive and an 300 grenade powering magazine.

Where is all this from the text of the news in this photo from the same news?

Why are the pictures for the news not consistent with the content? Here is the first of many links found by any search engine to a photo of the BMP-2 with the combat module indicated in the text:

[Thomas N.]

So here it is!
Here is the original text of the news from the website of the Russian Ministry of Defense (https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12350656@egNews):

24.03.2021 (17: 41)
Eight modernized infantry fighting vehicles entered service with the tank division of the Central Military District in the Chelyabinsk region
Eight modernized BMP-2M infantry fighting vehicles entered service with motorized rifle units of the Guards Tank Division of the Central Military District (CVO) stationed in the Chelyabinsk Region. The modernized combat vehicles will replenish the armament fleet of the motorized rifle battalions of the tank regiments of the formation.
Unlike the models of earlier modifications, the BMP-2M has an automatic fire control system that allows the commander and gunner to act as a single unit in the daytime and at night. On the received infantry fighting vehicles, a new radio station R-168 "Aqueduct" was installed, capable of stably operating under conditions of radio-electronic influence from the enemy.
The BMP-2M is designed to transport servicemen to the front line on the battlefield, to increase their mobility, armament and security.
The Guards Vitebsk-Novgorod twice Red Banner tank division of the Central Military District was formed on December 1, 2016. It includes 3 tank, motorized rifle and self-propelled artillery regiments, an anti-aircraft missile battalion, a reconnaissance and engineer battalion, units and subunits of combat, logistic and technical support.
Press Service of the Central Military District

And everything else is about:

The vehicle is equipped with a two-seat combat module "Berezhok", which is a classic BMP-2 turret, but with new weapons.
The BMP-2M is armed with Kornet anti-tank guided missiles, an 30-mm automatic cannon, a 7,62 mm caliber machine gun and an 30-mm AG-30M automatic grenade launcher with an independent vertical-guided drive and an 300 grenade powering magazine.

just "gag"!