The developer of "Buran" began the creation of a new reusable space complex

The developer of the reusable space shuttle Buran, the Molniya research and production association, will create a new space reusable civilian complex with an orbital aircraft. Work on the project is already underway. This is stated on the website of the NGO.

According to Olga Sokolova, General Director of Molnia, the development of a new reusable space complex has already started, work is in full swing. The new reusable complex "will fly into space in the next five years."

Now the task has been set, and the development of a civilian reusable complex with an orbital aircraft is in full swing. Over the past year, we have made very serious progress in terms of developing a new civil aerospace complex.

- said Sokolova.

As the Director General explained, the mock-up of the orbital aircraft was shown at the Army-2020 forum in a closed pavilion. Currently, the design bureau is working to improve the project, there is a recruitment of specialists to work on the space reusable complex.

Recall that in 2018, NPO Molniya became part of the Kalashnikov concern, which bought out the shares of the enterprise that was going through bankruptcy proceedings. Then the concern said that the acquisition of NPO Molniya would preserve the possibilities for creating reusable spacecraft.

NPO Molniya was established on February 26, 1976 as the head enterprise of the Ministry aviation industry of the USSR to create the reusable spacecraft "Buran". Then the enterprise was interrupted for a long time by random orders. Currently, Molniya is the main developer and supplier of target missiles for the Ministry of Defense, and is also working on the creation of spacecraft.

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[Far B]

“Now the task has been set, and the development of a civilian reusable complex with an orbital aircraft is in full swing,” said the general director. According to her, the company expects to send a new ship into space in the next five years.

It would be good if it were so. Again, NPO Molniya is not included in Roscosmos, there is a hope that Rogozin has not yet had time to bite them ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Dalny V

that Rogozin had not yet had time to bite them.

General Director of "Lightning" Olga Sokolova Does it bother you in any way? There is zero info on it, although "Lightning" seems to be pulling financially.

[NDR-791]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Olga Sokolova, the general director of Molnia, does it bother you in any way? There is zero info on it, although "Lightning" seems to be pulling financially.

Therefore, there is no information that there are no financial scandals ... not yet. And we have it fast. And in general, she is kind of a director, not a general designer. Therefore, he can say anything. I'm just wondering - okay, the developer is purely military, but if the device is purely civilian, then why show it in closed pavilions?

[Konstantin Gogolev]

There they will not finish R&D for a couple of years - it means they showed stupid drawings by hand on A4, models, cartoons. The deadlines are obviously unrealizable, the implementation of the new prototype of the "planet-space" product in metal will take 5 years (just a test flight). Subject to successful R&D.

[Cosm22]

It's too lazy to even comment on such nonsense.
If this is a civilian complex, then why is it "shown within the framework of the Army-2020 forum in a closed pavilion"?
Is there a civilian PN for this miracle? And what carrier will this miracle bring to LEO? Will the hangara trample? Specialists will attach him between the URMs?
Both Buran and the Shuttle were developed by order of the Ministry of Defense and were originally designed for purely military purposes.
"... we have made very serious progress in developing a new civil aerospace complex" - that certainly sounds cool. Showing the mockup is even cooler.
One question: why? If there is no military component, why and who needs this apparatus? What is the purpose of its creation? Concept? What about the engines? Created an analogue of the RS-25? Or is RD-0120 reincarnated? So then a PH of the Energy type is needed. And this task is no longer within the capabilities of "Lightning". Dee and the whole of today's Roskosmos will not master this either.

[Alex777]

One question: why? If there is no military component, why and who needs this apparatus?

It seems obvious that there is a military component.
Under the current sanctions regime, nothing else makes sense.
They just don't mention the military component yet.

[Altona]

Quote: Cosm22

One question: why?

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The layout was built, beautiful presentations are shown. Funding is coming. All. They will master the money, close the project like others before.

[NDR-791]

Quote: Cosm22

One question: why? If there is no military component, why and who needs this apparatus?

))) Sell our oligarchs Simple yachts are like mud, now they will be measured in space. But again "ahead of the rest"

[Vadim237]

In dimensions and weight of 5 tons acceptable for the Angara A38B, it is quite realistic to create and install such a ship instead of a fairing. At NPO Molniya, the spacecraft project from MAKS remained, most likely, it was taken as a basis and is now being improved.

[17085]

NPO Molniya was engaged in MAKS, therefore, there should not be a rocket. The orbiter has been ready since the end of the 90s, taking into account new opportunities, it can be improved, the work was carried out while the Ukrainians were kneading their boobs with Mriya. The main problem is the acceleration stage. In this regard, the use of PAK DA is real. It turns out that the work will be carried out jointly with the military.

[Cosm22]

If we are talking about work within the framework of MAKS, then what does the analogue of Buran have to do with it?
It is more appropriate to mention the Spiral.
What was ready in the late 90s? Several options for BORs? Of which only the fourth and fifth modifications have shown at least some practical result?
The main problem was not the overclocking aircraft (although it did not exist, as it does not exist to this day and will not be in the near future), but in the situation with the separation of aircraft at a speed of Mach 6. The consequences of the separation even in theory looked very risky.
PAK YES ... Subsonic Accelerator? What will it give?

[17085]

MAX is no longer Bor.

More like Burana?

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%90%D0%9A_%D0%94%D0%90

Primary requirements. It is also planned to use the aircraft as a long-range interceptor and even as a platform for launching spacecraft [4].

[Cosm22]

Lozino-Lozinsky's dreams are understandable. And the pressure of this constructor can only be welcomed.
But facts are stubborn things. The practical exhaust from these attempts was zero. Yes, there were ideas to work as an apparatus in orbit. And what is in practice? In fact, there was nothing to fly to orbit. The start from the accelerator has not yet taken out of the gravity well. It was necessary to get out of it on their own. With their engines. Which were not there. More precisely, there were, but of such weight and size that they had to be added on Energy, they did not fit into Buran in order to give the necessary total thrust. Today the technologies even for these hydrogen plants have been lost, but there are no new engines. What to fly on? On kerosene?
So why build a garden with a spreader? And also subsonic?
If it is possible to repurpose the LV power set from the main axial load to the lateral one and push the apparatus out without a headache? Why do you need an aviation complex? What is the benefit? Obviously not in the price. Yes, a light PN can, in principle, be deduced. But F9 displays light satellites for more than a hundred at a time. And you can't get a more severe PN in this way.
You can understand the US with its X-37B. There are clearly military objectives, there are other technologies that Lightning cannot reach.
And what civilian PN does Lightning have? Yes, back in 2012 the NGO declared space tourism on the basis of MAKS. But it was only about the suborbit, up to a maximum of 120 km. There was no longer any talk, not only about the ISS orbit for four hundred, but even about LEO.

[17085]

You put it very correctly. Facts are stubborn things. I read about the times when they did not even dream of supersonic. Time passes, and leave the concept of lost technologies to the Egyptologists. Meanwhile, a reusable aerospace system can give a gain in the launch price, against the Soyuz LV (manned flight), by an order of magnitude - a minimum, and when launched with a one-time last stage - by 30 times. Under the condition of inter-flight service of the system, about 200 man-hours (for the Tu-160 - 64), i.e. the launch price is practically the price of fuel. I just have no idea what it takes to launch a Falcon to achieve that kind of ROI.
For the sake of such a jackpot, you can move your brains.

[Vadim237]

An analogue of an orbital plane - we had Buran as such; a new space plane will be launched exactly on a rocket. The one with the required carrying capacity with an oxygen-hydrogen upper stage will fly in 2027, but there is a possibility that it will be launched on the Yenisei as well. And most likely the financing of the project comes from the military budget of the Ministry of Defense.

[poquello]

Quote: Cosm22

Created an analogue of the RS-25? Or is RD-0120 reincarnated? So then a PH of the Energy type is needed.

can you smoke about the engines, than authoritatively carry garbage

[Cosm22]

Want to debate about engines? Always ready for dialogue.

[poquello]

Quote: Cosm22

Want to debate about engines? Always ready for dialogue.

to which dialogue? the shuttle's cylinders do not represent any uniqueness, because a lot, a lot of fuel is not needed to throw the mind's apparatus

[Cosm22]

I would agree with that.
If I didn't know for sure that neither the USSR nor Russia had anything equal to the RS-25. With its vacuum ID 452,5 s and with a thrust of 181,4 tf above sea level versus 155,6 for the RD-0120. I am generally silent about dimensions and weight.
In our case, a lot of intelligence is required in order to bring the indicators of weight perfection to acceptable values. Which was done in the Shuttle.

[poquello]

Quote: Cosm22

I am generally silent about dimensions and weight.

that's right, since engines are not a king's business to smoke

[VO3A]

Yes, everything is fine! To put the attachment points on the Tu-160, no one needs them anyway, except for the demonstration of the flag! And use the Tu-160 as a booster for the shuttle .... Glue the attachment points with nanoglue, known production, so that the power elements do not weaken ... The shuttle is new, you can take it away from the Americans, because they stole it and you can fly by the end of the year. ... But what year? Well, that's another question ...

[17085]

Unfortunately, the Tu-160 will not work. You can't put it on your back, the keel gets in the way. It would be possible to combine the bomb bays, maybe you can shove something. Why cripple the plane? It still falls short of a full-fledged overclocker.

[VO3A]

Mriya held out, but the Tu-160 will not hold out? And how does the keel stand in the way? You can provide a retractable or swivel bar!

[17085]

Tu-160 cannot be used without alteration. There are several options for aerial launch.
1. In the cargo / bomb bay. An orbiter or rocket is thrown out. Its engine starts. It can be compared to starting from a height (preferably from 11 km or higher, the higher - the easier it is to accelerate). It was implemented, the experiments were carried out, it was decided not to continue. Let's sweep away.
2. Start from the back. In addition to altitude, there is one more plus, the orbiter / rocket does not significantly lose speed at the moment of launch, but the keel is here, a serious obstacle. With the second stage weighing 120 tons, there are no alternatives; an aircraft without a keel is needed.
Bottom line. A specialized first-stage aircraft is required. The Hammer project for example. There is also an option using PAK DA in the air launch option. It's more real here. The plane reaches an altitude of 25 km, the orbiter engine is started. At this stage, the plane acts as a fuel tank. At 40 km, there is a separation. The weight of the orbiter, in this version, is much lower, and it itself may be less. The orbiter is installed on the plane with a refractory "bottom" upwards, it is really possible to make a reliable hitch. Add to this the advantages inherent in the TTZ for PAK DA.

[Vadim237]

There was a project based on the Tu 160 Burlak Diana - a rocket was suspended that could bring a payload of up to 2 tons to LEO

[17085]

A project that "dissolves" in foreign cars and saunas?
Tu-160 was cut so much that now there are no unnecessary ones, for these purposes, elementary. Moreover, there is no missile either, and there is no sense already. An aircraft with the function of launching spacecraft is being developed. Leave the Tu-160 alone.

[Vadim237]

Consider the production of these resumed and how the air launch system will be in demand in the future within the MO.

[Prisoner]

This is where an old Soviet joke comes to mind about a peaceful medium-range tractor and a multi-purpose harvester.

[dSK]

Quote: NDR-791

purely military developer

If they do not "Buran", but analogue of X-37, maybe that will happen in 5 years ...

[Irokez]

Quote from dsk

If they do not "Buran", but an analogue of the Kh-37, maybe that will happen in 5 years

These developments have already been, but they were not developed. Last century.
"Project Spiral, which began in the 1960s, was a response to the US program of the X-20 Dyna Soar space interceptor reconnaissance bomber."

BOR-1 - 15.07.1969/XNUMX/XNUMX, a prototype of a PCB material, burned out during ballistic descent;
BOR-2 - 06.12.1969/XNUMX/XNUMX, control system failure, ballistic descent, burned out;
BOR-2 - 31.07.1970/XNUMX/XNUMX, a successful flight;
BOR-2 - 22.04.1971/XNUMX/XNUMX, burnout thermal protection, the parachute did not come out, crashed;
BOR-2 - 08.02.1972/XNUMX/XNUMX, successful flight, the device is stored in the LII;
BOR-3 - 24.05.1973, destruction at an altitude of 5 km, crashed;
BOR-3 - 11.07.1974/XNUMX/XNUMX, parachute damage, crashed.

Work on the creation of "Spiral", including analogs of its orbital aircraft, interrupted in 1969, were resumed in 1974. In 1976-1978. LII carried out 7 test flights of the MiG-105.11. Pilots Pyotr Ostapenko, Igor Volk, Valery Menitsky, Alexander Fedotov conducted tests on the subsonic analogue of the orbital aircraft - MiG-105.11. Launched on the MiG-105.11 from under the fuselage of a Tu-95K heavy bomber

Launched by the 11K65M-RB rocket, already within the framework of the Buran program, the BOR-4 series spacecraft were unmanned experimental vehicles based on the BOR-3, modified for the purpose of creating the Buran orbital spacecraft.

The main specialists who previously worked on the Spiral project were transferred from the A.I. Mikoyan Design Bureau and the Raduga Design Bureau by order of the Minister of Aviation Industry in NGO "Molniya".

Currently, the 105.11 analog aircraft can be seen in the Central Museum of the Russian Air Force in Monino.

This is all from Wikkipedia. On my own behalf, I will add that all space developments and technologies are always for military purposes, and what we mentioned about civilians is rather a commercial option for passengers who want to fly in zero gravity at their own expense.
On the other hand, if such a device can dock to a near-earth station, then it is simply gorgeous when a person can be sent there and removed from there, and the pilot will be just a taxi driver. In short, this is a space taxi.
And on the other hand, launch a technique that can touch any satellite with his hands, repair, spoil or de-orbit.

[Cosm22]

Um ...
There are two questions.
What will this space taxi fly, but in fact PN?
How much will this taxi cost?

[Irokez]

If I worked at Roskosmos, I would answer you.
And so I can say the following purely from my own considerations.
- Reusability is better than disposable (at least in the price it should be).
- Prompt delivery and descent of people or goods.
- If the device is small and light, then the launch is more convenient with an intermediate rocket stage attached to the carrier's aircraft body. That is, an accelerator aircraft or a winged 1st stage of the AKS with a horizontal start.

[210ox]

It is alarming that the heel is in the chest. Five years later, and into space, although. Maybe Rogozin is already downed pilot? And entrusted to others?

[ccsr]

Quote: 210ox

It is alarming that the heel is in the chest. Five years later, and into space, although. Maybe Rogozin is already downed pilot? And entrusted to others?

I think that there is nothing alarming in this statement, because there is a usual PR and search for investors, because financially this is too huge a project. The military was shown at the exhibition, they were not impressed, that is why they immediately announced that it would be a civilian project. I think that if they will be given budget money, it will be too little, which means that you need to promote yourself in the spirit of Musk, because his collection of investments does not allow everyone to live in peace.
I can assume that it will still be a dummy - hardly anyone wants to bet on a dark horse, not even knowing who is behind this development from our luminaries of space technology.

[ver_]

.. he's just a commentator - without access * to the body * ..

[Sentinel-vs]

Why is there no information? Prior to this appointment, she was, among other things, the director of the "SUCCESS" STAFF AGENCY LLC. An effective manager who came to the company when it was in bankruptcy. The bankruptcy procedure has now been terminated. Trying to find new contracts with mines. defense, Roskosmos, etc. Basically, in recent years, only Target missiles have been released.
From an interview with Sokolova, one can understand: Moderately optimistic. The test benches of the enterprise, although they have fallen into decay for 20 years of devastation, are subject to restoration. Here's the problem with personnel. The average age of specialists is 63 years old !!!!! Many of the specialists teach at the institutes and from there they lure young designers and scientists. But the flow of young blood is still rather weak. Average salary 52 thousand rubles. (But this, as you know, is the average temperature in the hospital). And so for specialists, according to her, salaries of 120 - 150 thousand rubles are quite achievable.
These are short excerpts from her interview.
If the old guard succeeds, then it is possible that something will be reanimated from the projects of the USSR, provided there is a proper financial. support and low levels of corruption.

[forty-eighth]

Here's the problem with personnel. The average age of specialists is 63 years old !!!!!

I went to their website to see vacancies. It is written that the complete list is published on the well-known site hh. I went to hh. 0 vacancies.
Either there is no problem, or the way to solve it is extravagant.

[Per se.]

Quote: forty-eighth

Either there is no problem, or the way to solve it is extravagant.

For our days, the method is already traditional.

For example, the

"In 2021, the Sukhoi and MiG companies will cease to exist as independent legal entities, they, together with the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), which they are part of, will become a single legal entity called the Corporate Aircraft Manufacturing Center, which will be located in Moscow. adopted following the results of a meeting held at Rostec on March 16 on the further reform of aircraft construction with the participation of the head of the state corporation Sergei Chemezov, the management and general designers of the UAC Tupolev, Ilyushin and Irkut will also be subordinated to the new center. It was announced the creation of the UAC Unified Engineering and Design Center, which in the future will unite all aviation design bureaus. It will be located in the area of ​​the traditional aircraft manufacturing center on the Khodynskoye field, "RBC reports. As part of personnel optimization, the managing staff will be reduced from 5 thousand to 500 people.

By the way, Anatoly Serdyukov lost his position as chairman of the board of directors of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC). If only he would not be redirected "to space" now ...

[210ox]

Instead of Rogozin? I really don't know if the stools will agree. "Everything has already been stolen before us"?

[Ren]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Olga Sokolova, the general director of Molnia, does it bother you in any way? There is zero info on it, although "Lightning" seems to be pulling financially.

Olga M. Sokolova
INN: 500905260513 gender: female
TIN issued by: Inspectorate of the Federal Tax Service for the city of Domodedovo, Moscow Region.
Founder of 2 organizations:
1. PERSONNEL AGENCY "SUCCESS" LLC (inactive)
BIN: 1075009003464
VAT number: 5009059287
2. LLC "TAVRIDA SVK"
BIN: 1149204053129
VAT number: 9201017554

Head of 4 organizations:
1. PERSONNEL AGENCY "SUCCESS" LLC (inactive)
Position: General Director
PSRN: 1075009003464
TIN: 5009059287
2. JSC "TMZ"
Position: COMPETITIVE MANAGER
PSRN: 1137746224219
TIN: 7733835691
3. JSC "NPO" MOLNIA "
Position: GENERAL DIRECTOR, CH. (ST.) ACCOUNTANT
PSRN: 1037739198815
TIN: 7733028761
4. CJSC "CORPORATION" TMZ "
Position: PRESIDENT
PSRN: 1137746381079
TIN: 7733840878

[Polymer]

Quote: Ren

Position: GENERAL DIRECTOR, CH. (ST.) ACCOUNTANT

And so it was possible ?!
It seems like even relatives should not be in such positions, but here - in one person?

[forty-eighth]

This is possible, only this is usually practiced in companies consisting of one person.
When a company conducts at least minimal economic activity, then there is already a need for accounting by a separate qualified person.

[Polymer]

Quote: forty-eighth

This is possible, only this is usually practiced in companies consisting of one person.

Then it is called not JSC, but PE or IE.

[forty-eighth]

And here the individual entrepreneur, if we are talking about legal entities?
The company may well consist of one person.

[Polymer]

SP is a legal entity.

[forty-eighth]

An individual entrepreneur (abbreviated as IP) is an individual registered in the manner prescribed by law and carrying out entrepreneurial activities without forming a legal entity.

For general development.

[Polymer]

Quote: forty-eighth

For general development.

The "slap" is accepted, you are right.
Although such a legal twist is not clear to me. If without the formation of a legal entity - why then state registration at all?

[forty-eighth]

The topic is quite capacious, I'll try thesis:
- the state should know that a citizen conducts commercial activities, which means he pays taxes on profits, maintains the level of quality of services or goods established by laws;
- not all types of commercial activities are available for SP, for example, retail trade in spirits;
- although most of the legal entities with one person in the staff are one-day firms, but the most typical still seems to be the initial stage of the company's existence, when it is necessary to issue the necessary licenses, purchase equipment, etc. One person can easily cope with this, including submitting "zero" reporting to the tax; in the future, the company may already acquire personnel, including a qualified accountant.

[ism_ek]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Olga Sokolova, the general director of Molnia, does it bother you in any way? There is zero info on it, although "Lightning" seems to be pulling financially.

Lightning's main income is land lease.
Missiles - targets .... So these are the old anti-aircraft missiles "Dvina" are being converted into targets. They change the flight program and that's it.

[hohkn]

We do not put all the eggs in one basket. Apart from Molniya, the MTKS company is engaged in a similar project. I have personally known its chairman of the board of directors (the founder of the company for more than 10 years.) He is a very serious man and businessman, he is used to always striving for his own.
http://www.rtss.space/

[Engineer Schukin]

Quote: hohkn

MTKS

There is no MTX in the classical view. This is an ordinary paper company, where there is Sopov as a famous person and three cars of plans to capture world markets.
The same office as Kosmokurs, where Pushkin every month pushed interviews about a new cosmodrome and a breakthrough new rocket. At the same time, in reality they have a workshop of 200 squares on some kind of abandoned building.
All these are "news" companies, they only provide informational background for the existence of private space companies in Russia. In reality, they have neither production facilities, nor design bureaus, nor finance. There are only heads pushing interviews for the info field.

[hohkn]

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

There is no MTX in the classical view.

About "Avialeasing" at one time they did not say that ...

[Pessimist22]

Yesterday I read that after the audit of Roskosmos, it was revealed that 30 billion went to some unknown place.

[Svarog]

Quote: Pessimist22

Yesterday I read that after the audit of Roskosmos, it was revealed that 30 billion went to some unknown place.

Why is it not clear .. just understandable ..

[Prisoner]

This is not clear to us and the auditors. Those who "left" them understand everything.

[Uncle lee]

in the next five years will fly into space. "

I believe friends
Rocket caravans
They will rush us forward
From star to star.
On the dusty paths
Distant planets
Our traces will remain.

[Mouse]

And apple trees will bloom on Mars ...

[Prisoner]

Do not frighten the Poles, they are already scared.

[Mouse]

Who scares them, then?
Themselves, if anything ...

[Civil]

On March 23, 2021, the head of the Accounts Chamber, Alexei Kudrin, reported to President Vladimir Putin that auditors found violations in Roscosmos for more than 2020 billion rubles in 30. According to him, these were violations "of different quality: somewhere there is accounting, somewhere there is inappropriate, somewhere there is a violation of funding standards."

Reusable talk ....

[ultra]

Lightning is not part of the Roscosmos structure, and this gives rise to certain hopes.

[Grandfather]

Burana developer

conditional, of course, the definition ... there are no longer those Humans ... and the children of Rogozinsky's nest ... hardly. they learned to make statements ... no more.

[Kart]

When all this was broken in the 90s, no Rogozin was even close.
And there were all as one former faithful Leninists and builders of communism.

[kapitan281271]

Quote: Civil

On March 23, 2021, the head of the Accounts Chamber, Alexei Kudrin, reported to President Vladimir Putin that auditors found violations in Roscosmos for more than 2020 billion rubles in 30. According to him, these were violations "of different quality: somewhere there is accounting, somewhere there is inappropriate, somewhere there is a violation of funding standards."

Reusable talk ....

Of course, I am not inclined to believe in absolute purity with finances at Roscosmos, but not targeted use, this is not theft yet. I will give a personal example (for obvious reasons, I will not indicate the company where I work), the end of the 2nd quarter, there is a small emergency, urgent repairs are needed, they give a couple of hours to prepare the estimate documentation, there is no way to go to the place, hence the correct estimate cannot be made, I report about this guide, I hammer in addition, you will not believe GREENING. The objects were repaired, thank God they were hammered, this fucking LANDSCAPING, barely barely enough money in the end, of course landscaping (well, no matter how you write yourself for an article), in fact, it was completed, and thanks to him, landscaping, the objects were completely renovated volume. ............ And then the auditors came, and so they turned their blood, barely barely, they agreed on the wrong target. Today the heads of enterprises on earth, our state corporations, are in a much worse position than their colleagues in the USSR. After Kosygin's reforms, I don't remember exactly, but in my opinion, up to 3% of the profits could be spent at their discretion, today you sew. Not intended use, it is very often just a maneuver with money. Sometimes the roof at the facility leaks, there is equipment worth billions, and you don’t have money for repairs, but you save money on some other items, but you cannot take them. Here you sit and come up with some kind of crap, why roof repairs are measures to improve the industrial safety system.

[slipped]

Quote: Civil

Reusable talk ....

"We believe it is possible to agree with the position of the [state] corporation that most of the violations are related to the procedure for drawing up reports and documents," the Accounts Chamber noted. https://tass.ru/ekonomika/10981109

the wrong field in the reporting document was filled in This is how informational stuffing is created.

[Konstantin Gogolev]

Serdyukov and Rogozin - modern managers - can only try to do good, or "harm unintentionally." Rogozin is a windbag, I remember how he blushed at the guarantor's - I probably got it. I'm worried about SU and MiG - under the leadership of Serdyukov, only theft or waste is possible. And I wish "Lightning" breakthrough ideas - because it is always difficult to catch up.

[for]

Quote: Dalny V

a mock-up of an orbital plane was shown at the Army-2020 forum in a closed pavilion.

He didn't have time to bite, but he awarded him with plague fleas.

[astepanov]

The tradition is fresh, but hard to believe. The experience of recent decades is conducive to skepticism, not optimism. How many such promises have already been given out! There are probably good intentions, but the cemeteries are packed with those who had good intentions, but were not realized. Molniya probably retained the documentation on Lozino-Lozinsky's developments, but the competencies were lost (time, time that ate up the specialists!), The equipment is either worn out or rotted in a landfill, the darkness of the necessary materials is probably not produced, and their suppliers have sunk into Fly. Hopefully I'm wrong.

[mojohed2012]

If there is something like Buran, then why? Isn't it time to develop an air launch, where from a heavy aircraft an orbital ship is raised high, and from it that spaceplane takes off, landing on an airfield on its own?
Why do we make a launch vehicle for it again?
Musk and the United States are making return stages, but if the Russian Federation still implements an "air launch" without rocket acceleration from the ground, then there will be a breakthrough.
We will deliver cargo and people to orbit without the Unions and other things.

[Nazar]

Dalny V - "Buran's developer"? - Forty years have passed, if not more, what does the current composition of the NGO have to do with Buran?

[Barberry25]

It remains to find 3-4 trillion rubles for a project of dubious purpose

[Maks1995]

They wrote that the work went on and on quietly .... Only zero exhaust. Is that the target, from the article, but bankruptcy.

And so, the "New reusable complex" will fly into space in the next five years. " - an obvious next promise.

[Vadim237]

Rather, by 2030, since there will be no missiles for its withdrawal in 2026.

[Barberry25]

rather by 2045, because until the beginning of the 30s, all the money is scheduled for the moon

[Vadim237]

Actually, it is created with the money of the Ministry of Defense and not Roscosmos.

[xorek]

Well, now some are quite massive, they will humiliate and flood everything with mud .. For example, Russia is not capable of anything, etc. .. We read and keep quiet better ..

[rocket757]

Yes, everything will be the way.
If the idea is sensible, in demand, everything will be done in the mind, it will fly!

[for]

Quote: xorek

We read and keep quiet better.

We do and show! (not layouts)

[Kart]

Well?
Do and show.
Why aren't you showing it?

[xorek]

Quote: for

Quote: xorek

We read and keep quiet better.

We do and show! (not layouts)

Nicely said! And I mean it

[slipped]

Quote: xorek

We read and keep our mouth shut.

Why keep quiet?

Today we have the third launch day on Vostochny, tomorrow morning the launch of the next 36 spacecraft:

We are compiling statistics on launches of small spacecraft clusters. Soon we have to launch our large grouping.

[nnm]

The new reusable complex "will fly into space in the next five years."

I always believed that we need the following approach to the authors of such loud statements and state programs:
1. Completed - promotion, respect, serious bonuses;
2. Failed - dismissal, confiscation, ban on appointment to similar positions.

[Machito]

GDP does not abandon its own.

[The Siberian barber]

And with whom to work? (C)

[Lycan]

Quote: nnm

Failed - dismissal, confiscation

This is a well-known slogan ... if it didn’t happen that people are related / affiliated with you, or those on whom the integrity of some direction depends, which to develop from scratch (communications, specialists, logistics, contracts) - 5 years lose. Straightforward politics cannot be successful here. Here it is necessary to build a system as a debugged mechanism with controlled responsibility, duplication, restarting subsystems, backup channels, continuous training / motivation of personnel, etc.

[nnm]

Reminded: "there is no time to swing." Sorry, but how many more years do you need

Quote: Lycan

build a system

?
Is there something or someone in the way? What, in this system there are some people who are not "from the team"?
You know about

Quote: Lycan

controlled liability, redundancy, restart of subsystems, backup channels, continuous training / motivation of personnel, etc. ...

I have heard for a hundredooooo years that it’s even ridiculous to expect these words to be fulfilled.
And about the straightforwardness of politics, I will answer you as follows. At one time, a proposal was made that the passports of state programs should contain provisions on the responsibility of specific individuals for non-fulfillment of the stated goals and results. Guess the outcome of considering such a proposal? The first was sharply opposed by the government, which is developing these programs, because:

Quote: Lycan

Here it is necessary to build a system as a debugged mechanism with controlled responsibility, duplication, restarting subsystems, backup channels, continuous training / motivation of personnel, etc.

Since then, 10 years have passed ... how is everything debugged?
Until there is strict and personal responsibility for the execution of programs, nothing will change. They will continue to be only budget feeders with collective, and therefore no one's, responsibility.

[Lycan]

Quote: nnm

Is there something or someone in the way?

Lack of experienced managers.

Quote: nnm

a proposal was made that the passports of state programs should contain provisions on the responsibility of specific individuals for non-fulfillment of the stated goals and results. Guess the outcome of considering such a proposal?

Such an attitude is like "communism": it is possible and necessary to use it as a reference point, but to say that "it is already close, we will definitely overtake it in 20 years" is stupid, because most of the people are not ready (while "cutting out not ready" is tyranny).

Quote: nnm

The government was the first to sharply oppose,

Most likely because their offspring / friends / "godfathers" / themselves in the future - have yet to while away a century until retirement at such enterprises. Well, and, of course, they themselves understand that "well, if you exorcise the specialists (for drunkenness, oversight, let's say), mediocrity will remain with you without a rich experience of the past - you will go far? And the infrastructure, often, for many years, and without the experience of coordination to meddle in different spheres is only to violate. And you should give subsidies for updating the infrastructure (and for training new specialists), why should you be afraid? "It still worked!", - they will tell you upstairs, - "The audit showed that everything is normal"... So it turns out that unilateral voluntaristic actions, without adjusting for reality, can only "break the wood" and ruin the industry, instead of conducting this experiment at a separate enterprise and testing this type of management. However, in addition to responsibility, and encouragement should be found so that they do not run away from office. ”Otherwise, we are all too much to punish, the matter will touch upon encouragement and proper motivation a little - there are no ideas.

Quote: nnm

Since then, 10 years have passed ... how is everything debugged?

Where experienced organizers are working on this, things are moving forward. But such organizers are not everywhere.

Quote: nnm

Until there is strict and personal responsibility for the execution of programs, nothing will change

If such a laboratory experiment is to be carried out, then it must be either a "machine" or a person who is "grazed by people from the organs." Otherwise, with an increase in the number of critical situations, he will either be affiliated (with subordinates, bosses, competitors, etc.) or will be squeezed out of the team for obstinacy.

[rocket757]

The developer of "Buran" began the creation of a new reusable space complex

Buran then saw, touched history ... although then it seemed that this was the beginning of the path !!!
Let's see if my / our descendants will also have to touch ...

[mvg]

Money to nowhere. Buran alone is not enough for them. Why don't they shoot?

[eleronn]

What is the purpose of creating this product? What do they want to achieve? How will a shuttle become cheaper than a disposable rocket?

[Cosm22]

And what about rockets with a reusable first stage?
Oh well ...
But why walk on a path that has already been paved?
We are not looking for easy ways.

[Roman070280]

What is the purpose of creating this product?

Saw cut ..

[Vadim237]

To put spacecraft and cargo weighing 9 tons into orbit and remove spent satellites from orbit - moreover, by order of other countries, some satellites cost from several tens of millions to several billion dollars.

[Al_lexx]

Well ... I don't know, I don't know. Madame Sokolova is only the fourth year as general director. But such phrases make me somewhat alarmed.

We were heard, and this is how the project of the Gvozdika target rocket appeared. It is a hypersonic missile that will fly at an altitude of 10 meters with the ability to maneuver in the terrain enveloping mode. A fairly universal apparatus that will imitate the latest achievements of our potential adversaries. Now we are working on it and we hope that from 000 it will be put into production and into service.

(Olga Sokolova)
Although, I fully admit that our illiterate journalists managed to dig around here. On the other hand, such interviews should be carefully checked for the adequacy of the presentation of the material. And then it becomes incomprehensible. Either the director of nichrome does not understand what kind of production he manages, or he is a corny illiterate person who cannot connect three phrases.
..
Let's hope that something will be cooked there. After all, the GDP gave them a certificate of protection.

It should be noted that the first six months, when we were trying to understand whether the work would be on a permanent basis, the president helped us a lot: Vladimir Putin gave instructions to prevent the bankruptcy of Molniya and ordered us to load them with thematic orders. It was such a security letter that did not allow the enterprise to be liquidated.

(Olga Sokolova)

[for]

"Lightning" is only a name, but what is its content (now).

Head: GENERAL DIRECTOR OLGA MIKHAILOVNA SOKOLOVA
TIN / KPP: 7733028761 / 773301001
Authorized capital: 178.276 thousand rubles
Number of employees: 438
Number of founders: 998
Date of registration: 23.01.2003/XNUMX/XNUMX
Status: Active


https://www.list-org.com/company/14095

[Alexander Yarosh]

another nonsense and bullshit from the section of making the appearance of the work of rogozka and his wards, Roscosmos will not financially pull out such a project, this is not the USSR with its superindustry. and the scraps of former luxury have not yet been fully eaten by the coppers ...

[Vadim237]

Yes, that's just the vaunted military-industrial complex of the USSR and its industry did not pull hypersound like much else - and Russia pulled, among other things, a powerful combat laser in service and in series.

[yfast]

There has long been no one left who is capable of Buran. Soap bubble.

[Kart]

You can sleep well. Of course these are cartoons, as always.

[Nikolaevich I]

The new reusable complex "will fly into space in the next five years."

Well, can you promise the skills? Has the skill already "flown"? Ajax, Spiral, Clipper, Frigate ... what's next on the list? And now "Holguin's ship"!

[Popandos]

The new reusable complex "will fly into space in the next five years."

Only the dudak grows rich in dreams.

[Nikza]

Dreams ... And who will do it. My son-in-law's father was a high-class turner. Died. The neighbor was practically a unique milling machine operator. When he was retired, the factory was asked to go out to work at least 2 times a week. NOBODY could do that like him. Died. And what dudak will go to sharpen a piece of iron for 25 rubles? Uzbeks, or what? And only Medvedev dreams that robots will do everything soon. And only effective managers and service staff will remain. And the rest will die out (?), "Not fitting into the market"?

[Vadim237]

Now machines and machining centers with CNC put them even for ... and master with the right approach.

[Nikza]

Well, yes, yes ... Computers will come up with, robots will do. And all this can be bought in the west. And happy officials will rest in Bali or Miami. There the servants lick them well. And he looks at them like a wolf, like these "Russian boors". But I get the impression that "these boors" are slowly becoming satanic. And it is quite possible that not everyone will be lucky to "jump out of the scoop".

[Vadim237]

I tell you about machine tools and new design and production technologies - you tell me "You can buy in the West" and "Officials in Balli and Miami - is everything okay with the" cabin "?

[Knell wardenheart]

On paper, everything seems to be beautiful and good - Kalashnikov is developing quite successfully and, probably, there is more or less skillful management there. But the reasoning about "in 5 years will fly into space" is already absurd. Completely unrealistic terms for our country and most likely the funding that will be allocated for this project.
If by the beginning of the 30s they send without people - already a success.

[Alien From]

Rogozin still bit this headmistress ...

[New Year day]

According to Olga Sokolova, General Director of Molnia, the development of a new reusable space complex has already started, work is in full swing. The new reusable complex "will fly into space in the next five years."

Rogozin in a skirt?

[Roman070280]

Bullshit..
Such projects were difficult for the Soviet Union ..
Not to mention the fact that for tens of years they just kept repeating that there was no point in Buran, but just wanted to compete with the Amers ..

In general, they crowed, and you can forget about it ..

[Vadim237]

Now such a device is much easier to create in view of the new materials of the CAD systems of the Internet of Things, new production technologies, etc. - And Buran was created 40 years ago, it was super expensive in view of the complexity, like the American Shuttle for its time.

[Roman070280]

All those difficulties have not gone anywhere ..
For example, Saturn-5, as it was expensive for its time, would not have been cheaper now .. And replacing the relays with microcircuits requires only redesigning ..

Buran was created 40 years ago, it was super expensive due to its complexity

All kinds of Tu-22s were also created, hell knows when .. and now, after a bunch of upgrades, they have not become easier !!

[Vadim237]

In production, everything has become simpler and cheaper, and even more so with the introduction of additive technologies.

[yfast]

Quote: Carte

You can sleep well. Of course these are cartoons, as always.

A business woman should believe, not respect herself. We do not have "the man said, the man did." And here he is not even a man. That would give a hand to cut off ...

[Hog]

Projects, projects, and in the meantime the Accounts Chamber revealed violations in Roscosmos for 30 billion rubles.

[PROXOR]

If the NGO "MOLNIA" pushes Rogozin and the entire Roscosmos on the table with their muzzle, then only on the way.

[Vadim237]

Rogozin has been in the chair of Roscosmos manager since 2018 - and during his management time, the accident rate of space launches has dropped to zero, which already says a lot.

[dgonni]

Another cut dough.

[Yves762]

Here's another topic "food for ..."

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[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Cosm22

It's too lazy to even comment on such nonsense.
If this is a civilian complex, then why is it "shown within the framework of the Army-2020 forum in a closed pavilion"?
Is there a civilian PN for this miracle? And what carrier will this miracle bring to LEO? Will the hangara trample? Specialists will attach him between the URMs?
Both Buran and the Shuttle were developed by order of the Ministry of Defense and were originally designed for purely military purposes.
"... we have made very serious progress in developing a new civil aerospace complex" - that certainly sounds cool. Showing the mockup is even cooler.
One question: why? If there is no military component, why and who needs this apparatus? What is the purpose of its creation? Concept? What about the engines? Created an analogue of the RS-25? Or is RD-0120 reincarnated? So then a PH of the Energy type is needed. And this task is no longer within the capabilities of "Lightning". Dee and the whole of today's Roskosmos will not master this either.

The Energia-Buran program was twofold. Both civilian and military.

The military component made it possible, at the right time, to inflict a nuclear strike against the states with an area of ​​continuous destruction of 3000x200 km. That is, to paralyze the country economically.

Naturally, no "sanctions" inflicting tens of billions of dollars a year on Russia from states under such a sword of Damocles would have been impossible.

It was not by chance that Gorbachev nailed this program first.

The cost of it is a penny compared to the damage that could have been prevented. Technologies and tech. the documentation hasn't gone anywhere

[Vadim237]

For civilian use, the launch of Buran was very expensive.

[Split]

I know I’ll hit a bunch of cons ... but when a woman is driving, it’s a fuck

It has long been recognized that the concept is very expensive to maintain, any negligence and Colombia and challenger ... Each module must undergo a defectoscopy, and here not a weld, but 100 tons must be checked! And it costs like a one-off. They scared us with shuttles, we scared them with a blizzard. Done on this ... Shaw again? (from)

Development is underway ... and for whose money? ON my pension? Yes, in a coffin I will see the rise of this pepelats, apparently

[Vadim237]

This plane will be much more technologically advanced and cheaper than the Buran and the Shuttle, as they were created a long time ago.

[zwlad]

The new reusable complex "will fly into space in the next five years."

Fresh tradition, but hard to believe.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Dreams ... And who will do it. My son-in-law's father was a high-class turner. Died. The neighbor was practically a unique milling machine operator. When he was retired, the factory was asked to go out to work at least 2 times a week. NOBODY could do that like him. Died. And what dudak will go to sharpen a piece of iron for 25 rubles? Uzbeks, or what? And only Medvedev dreams that robots will do everything soon. And only effective managers and service staff will remain. And the rest will die out (?), "Not fitting into the market"? [/ Quote]
Funny.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Split

I know I’ll hit a bunch of cons ... but when a woman is driving, it’s a fuck

It has long been recognized that the concept is very expensive to maintain, any negligence and Colombia and challenger ... Each module must undergo a defectoscopy, and here not a weld, but 100 tons must be checked! And it costs like a one-off. They scared us with shuttles, we scared them with a blizzard. Done on this ... Shaw again? (from)

Development is underway ... and for whose money? ON my pension? Yes, in a coffin I will see the rise of this pepelats, apparently

Distribute correctly to people like you And don't say! It would be better to give money to blacks in Africa and retirees.

[Split]

Where did I write what to distribute? I'm not counting on retirement. My father-in-law with a bunch of stars is paid to the KGB officer 20 thousand a month in pension, so they probably raised their age so that people would work and earn a living for themselves.
It would be better if they instead of ram 2 invested in a nuclear tug, otherwise they announced, they made a fuss, and now there has been no news for almost a year

[silviu]

Implementation of illiquid assets
We offer for sale used metalworking (turning, milling, grinding, sharpening, drilling machines), forging and pressing (hydraulic presses, pipe and bending machines, guillotine shears and rollers) and measuring equipment (voltmeters, oscilloscopes, generators, frequency meters, hardness testers, etc.), etc.

Current proposals for implementation are available here.

Send inquiries about the purchase of illiquid and used equipment and materials to the property complex of the enterprise.

тел. [phone]

E. mail:
[email protected]
[email protected] on what "in the next five years" Buran "will fly into space."?

[Gennady Fomkin]

Many here, and not here, are "principled" - in fact, infantiles, with the level of development of a 12-year-old child. They think that with their "bananas" they will make a bo-bo for someone. This is mistake. Well, it's not funny to offend overage boobies

[silviu]

The development of a civilian reusable complex with an orbital aircraft is in full swing, ”said Olga Sokolova, General Director. According to her, the company expects to send a new spacecraft into space in the next five years, but the site of the ngo lightning does not say anything about it and only ravages everything that remains of the old equipment http://npomolniya.ru/

[ver_]

... that we should build a house: .. draw - we will live ..

[silviu]

Implementation of illiquid assets
We offer for sale used metalworking (turning, milling, grinding, sharpening, drilling machines), forging and pressing (hydraulic presses, pipe and bending machines, guillotine shears and rollers) and measuring equipment (voltmeters, oscilloscopes, generators, frequency meters, hardness testers, etc.), etc.

Current proposals for implementation are available here.

Send inquiries about the purchase of illiquid and used equipment and materials to the property complex of the enterprise.

тел. [phone]

E. mail:
[email protected]

[Gennady Fomkin]

.. I thought that the society here is older than kindergarten ... And here everyone is old children.

[Gennady Fomkin]

When teenagers break glass from not doing figs or put a button on a neighbor's seat - this is understandable. Bad young blood plays. But when adult uncles bark from under the nickname - this is beyond my understanding

[viktor_ui]

That is a vigorous space tug ... now the reincarnation of Buran supposedly in 5 years, with a woman at the head and with a sign of another office, to cut off. From the whirlwind of breakthrough projects, eyes are already on the back of the head from amazement from all this shameless chatter and arrogance. I personally know the chela, the cat was engaged in the commissioning complex Buran ... as a result, untranslatable idiomatic expressions of Russian linguistic folklore. Yes, and this little woman at the helm of the future Buran = the journalist running Roscosmos - poor Yerik ... sad in the remainder.

[Vadim237]

Rosatom enterprises are engaged in space tugboat - and the new ship NPO Molniya and other Roscosmos offices are already completing the second R&D for the first R&D.

[viktor_ui]

Vadim ...
we will look at the REAL result that took off and sat down, and not at the projectors of balabols and leaders. There will be success, I will raise my thumb up. They cannot localize and repair the holes with cracks in the transition module ... I immediately remember the last station of the USSR, how it was restored after an icy coma to full operability.

[Vadim237]

Unfortunately, the ISS and Salyut 7 have nothing in common in terms of the time spent in orbit, complexity and problems.

[viktor_ui]

stunned ... Fireworks 7 FREEZED AND DIED practically, but it was restored after deep freezing in terms of functionality right in orbit by engineers of the level of GOD Savinykh and Dzhanibekov - read the reports of those who restored it and what exactly had to be restored. You compared ALL Salyut7 with a zakhuhany docking module and the type of station from the USSR was like a tin can in terms of technology ... I have no words simply. Yes ... and there is no need to compare the entire ISS - looking at our "segment" I see the roots of our station from the USSR. Modern Russia in terms of education and technology before the USSR is like a crustacean before Beijing. Good luck. Yes, and with the Mir station and its unique technological modules - a muddy story with a shameful end as a result ... especially if you look back at the salvation of HUBL.

[fa2998]

Quote: Cosm22

And this task is no longer within the capabilities of "Lightning".

Only one name remained from the old "Lightning". "Buran" was closed in the late 80s. Old specialists either retired or at the churchyard (30 years have passed). Targets were made, well, well!
Who ordered such a project? We have a blockage with current projects, there is not enough funding. A bunch of rockets, vigorous tugs, floating and ground spaceports. They are going to fly to the Moon and Mars, there are no plans to crash. There are no priorities. Well, regular launches to the ISS. More Burana " lacks!

[Vadim237]

Most likely, it is created as part of the order of the Ministry of Defense and money for development is allocated from the military budget.

[ver_]

.. well, yes, like in a joke * now we have everything and syphilis is the same .. *

[Vadim237]

You may have Syphilis - whoever hurts that and speaks about it.

[slipped]

Meanwhile, titanium balloons for rocket and space technology began to be printed on the new domestic laser 3D printers of Rosatom.

[1536]

Reusable reusable spaceships are good for accounting: you can report. Otherwise, how it turns out, they launch a rocket, it flies, the fuel burns out, the stages are destroyed, some satellites are put into orbit, it is not clear on whose balance they are, or even foreign ones, and practically nothing returns to the ground. That is, the money has been spent, but there is no return.
Well, but seriously, the question of repairing satellites in orbit, removing them for disposal, so as not to pollute the Earth's surface or the Ocean, has long been ripe. We also need to think about satellites and spacecraft with nuclear engines, which will certainly not be able to de-orbit in the usual way. In a word, progress is obvious, and one way or another, the future belongs to space planes that will serve near space, and, possibly, fly to the moon. Who does not want to rest on the moon, who does health allow? Only there was something to fly.

[Castro Ruiz]

X-37B nedaet spat.