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Scramble: Algeria buys Russian front-line bombers Su-34

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Scramble: Algeria buys Russian front-line bombers Su-34

The alleged type of Su-34 bombers of the Algerian Air Force


Algeria will become the first foreign buyer of the Russian front-line Su-34 bombers. According to the Dutch specialized aviation magazine Scramble in its online version, the first batch of aircraft will enter service with the Algerian Air Force by the end of 2021.

According to the newspaper, Algeria had previously negotiated with Russia on the supply of the Su-34, but it was not satisfied with the characteristics of the proposed export version of the aircraft. Instead of purchasing a new bomber, the Algerian Defense Ministry decided to modernize the Su-24 fleet.

The decision to purchase the Su-34 was made eight years after the negotiations began, which ended in failure. New interest in the Su-34 in Algeria arose after the use of these aircraft during the military operation of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria. Preliminary talks about intentions to purchase these bombers began in 2019 and continued in 2020.

According to scramble.nl, the first six Su-34s out of 20 ordered aircraft should enter service with the Algerian Air Force by the end of this year, the production of bombers is already underway. The remaining 14 bombers will be delivered in 2022 and 2023.

A batch of six planes should be ready by the end of 2021 and will be used to train Algerian pilots (instructors) and maintenance personnel. Training will begin in Russia from the beginning of 2022

- the magazine reports.

According to the magazine, the Algerian version of the Su-34 will have the designation Su-34ME and differ from the one used in the Russian Aerospace Forces only by the "friend or foe" system and communications. Everything else, including avionics and weapons, will be standard.

Earlier it was reported that Algeria intends to purchase Russian fifth-generation Su-57 fighters.
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http://www.menadefense.net
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  1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 15 March 2021 13: 57
    -60%
    So. So that it was immediately clear.
    The loan will be written off.
    They'll pay with palm oil.
    (SRKZM)
    1. Borik
      Borik 15 March 2021 14: 02
      +17
      And that Algeria paid for the submarines with oil? We and from Asia even receive a surplus of butter. Let's hope that the calculation will be different and live money will go to the country's budget.
      Now we are waiting for who next after Algeria will order DRY.
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 15 March 2021 14: 06
        -12%
        Quote: Borik
        And that Algeria paid for the submarines with oil. We and from Asia even receive a surplus of butter. Let's hope that the calculation will be different.

        I specifically wrote (SRKZM - sarcasm, that is, (mockery, sarcastic joke, exposure of the implied).
        Wait a little, and you will definitely see comments in which for the 100500th time with exclamation marks it will be stated that the aircraft were bought on credit, which will be written off, and the payment will be "again" with palm oil.
        This always happens in the comments to the notes on the sale of Russian weapons abroad.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 15 March 2021 14: 22
          +8
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
          I specifically wrote (SRKZM - sarcasm, that is, (mockery, sarcastic joke, exposure of the implied).

          you have to be extremely careful on the forum with any kind of jokes, hidden between the lines subtext, veiled or even transparent hints.
          they have recently become inaccessible to the understanding of many commentators.
          however, it would be unfair to call silent minusators commentators in relation to the former.
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 15 March 2021 14: 30
            -4
            Quote: Flood
            silent minusers would be unfair to the former.

            Imagine the situation: a certain "whistleblower", having made a stand on the headline "Algeria buys Russian Su-34s", all in anticipation of another breakdown of the covers (and mountains of plus signs), frantically bursts into a note, scrolls it down and sees my comment, ridiculing all that than he was going to shine once again. That is, it turns out to be disarmed even before the start of the mess.
            Naturally, all of his fuse immediately at half past five, and, hopelessly frustrating, he has no choice but to crush the minus and blame unwillingly.
            To be afraid of cons - not to visit VO. If I am delayed to Banhammer, so be it, to express my position as I see fit, I still will not stop.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 15 March 2021 14: 36
              +5
              Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Imagine the situation

              I think the reason is much more unsightly.
              most likely it lies in a superficial reading and an elementary misunderstanding of what has been written.
              whether because of the instilled clip-like way of thinking, or an insufficient level of language proficiency.
              in other words, there is a lack of a culture of discussion and respect for the opponent.
              1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                Sidor Amenpodestovich 15 March 2021 14: 38
                -4
                Quote: Flood
                whether because of the instilled clip-like way of thinking, or an insufficient level of language proficiency.
                in other words, there is a lack of a culture of discussion.

                And, mind you, many of them are incredibly proud of their "still Soviet!" higher education.
              2. Kart
                Kart 15 March 2021 14: 42
                +4
                .
                Quote: Flood
                in other words, there is a lack of a culture of discussion and respect for the opponent.

                Hanging labels is a level of discussion, yes.
                On the face.
                It doesn't matter at all whether you write the truth or not.
                It is important which sect you belong to - "communists", liberals, "patriots".
                Well, whoever turned out to be more - that is good here
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 15 March 2021 14: 44
                  +5
                  Quote: Carte
                  Hanging labels is a level of discussion, yes.

                  I am against labels, I am for brands
                  What do you think about this?
                2. LiSiCyn
                  LiSiCyn 15 March 2021 15: 34
                  +6
                  Quote: Carte
                  It doesn't matter at all whether you write the truth or not.
                  It is important which sect you belong to - "communists", liberals, "patriots".

                  Wow .... you, have opened all the "ins and outs" of the site. belay
                  Quote: Carte
                  Well, whoever turned out to be more - that is good here

                  Now for you, khan. laughing
                  1. Lara Croft
                    Lara Croft 15 March 2021 20: 37
                    +4
                    Quote: LiSiCyn
                    Quote: Carte
                    It doesn't matter at all whether you write the truth or not.
                    It is important which sect you belong to - "communists", liberals, "patriots".

                    Wow .... you, have opened all the "ins and outs" of the site. belay


                    I didn’t reveal everything.
                    While someone provokes you into a stupid dialogue, other members of his pack of jackals give you disadvantages, but not right away, but when you are sleeping or at work ...
                    As a result, it makes no sense for those who are not a member of some jackal of the pack to continue their dialogue with the opponent ...
                    As a result of the discussion of the article, stupid dialogues are obtained only between the participants of these packs of jackal ... with the pluses of another friend or minuses if representatives of several of these jackal packs participate in the dialogues ...
                    Now for you, khan.

                    It is more likely that the site will be khan, tk. degrade not only the discussion of information from the article, but also the articles themselves ...
                    Why should the authors bother, discussions of the article will all the same boil down to discussing anything, but not the topic of the article ...
                3. Warrior-80
                  Warrior-80 15 March 2021 22: 38
                  +2
                  And if I'm from a party of beer lovers, I'm all in kings and in chocolate, everyone loves beer laughing
      2. figwam
        figwam 15 March 2021 16: 40
        -2
        Algerian version of the Su-34 will have the designation Su-34ME

        We don't have the Su-34M yet.
    2. NEOZ
      NEOZ 15 March 2021 14: 02
      +9
      Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
      They'll pay with palm oil.

      about! leaving the dollar !!!! what are you unhappy with?
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 15 March 2021 14: 24
        +5
        Quote: NEOZ
        about! leaving the dollar !!!!

        to exchange in kind?
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 15 March 2021 14: 56
          0
          Quote: Flood
          to exchange in kind?

          do you see another alternative?
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 15 March 2021 15: 01
            +4
            Quote: NEOZ
            do you see another alternative?

            not. I can only oppose your humor with my own homebrew))
            or did you write seriously? )))
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 15 March 2021 15: 08
            0
            Quote: NEOZ
            Quote: Flood
            to exchange in kind?

            do you see another alternative?

            In Algeria they pay with dinars. good
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 15 March 2021 15: 14
              -2
              Quote: Piramidon
              In Algeria they pay with dinars.

              and what will you buy and where for Algerian dinars?
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 15 March 2021 15: 22
                +4
                Quote: NEOZ
                and what will you buy and where for Algerian dinars?

                In an Algerian bank I will exchange for bucks 133: 1 laughing
            2. NEOZ
              NEOZ 15 March 2021 15: 15
              -1
              Quote: Piramidon
              In Algeria they pay with dinars.

              since it comes to that, they pay in Russia, not in Algeria ...
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 15 March 2021 15: 20
                -1
                Quote: NEOZ
                Quote: Piramidon
                In Algeria they pay with dinars.

                since it comes to that, they pay in Russia, not in Algeria ...

                And who is selling to whom? Russia carries goods to Algeria and receives money there
                1. NEOZ
                  NEOZ 15 March 2021 15: 23
                  -2
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  And who is selling to whom? Russia carries goods to Algeria and receives money there

                  and if you're unlucky? (FOB for example) .....)))))))))
                  ps
                  and you are funny ...
                  1. Piramidon
                    Piramidon 15 March 2021 15: 35
                    +1
                    Quote: NEOZ
                    and if you're unlucky? (FOB for example) .....)))))))))
                    ps
                    and you are funny ...

                    And you are a bore. You cling to each letter and you have problems with a sense of humor.
        2. Tochilka
          Tochilka 15 March 2021 18: 12
          +1
          For one Su-34ME - 500 lambs and 250 camels!
          And one elephant. I think there will be an exchange))))
    3. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 15 March 2021 15: 13
      +4
      Actually, Algeria is pumping gas to Geyropa, Mom, don't worry, so there are bucks there)))
  2. Doccor18
    Doccor18 15 March 2021 14: 00
    +13
    A very competent and serious approach to the formation of the Armed Forces. One of the most efficient armies in the Mediterranean.
    1. A009
      A009 15 March 2021 14: 08
      -8
      Where, sorry?
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 15 March 2021 14: 12
        +7
        Quote: A009
        Where, sorry?

        The news seems to be about Algeria ...
        1. A009
          A009 15 March 2021 14: 22
          -19%
          And where does Algeria and the Mediterranean? Or maybe I have something with geography? I thought Algeria North Africa
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 15 March 2021 14: 26
            +10
            Quote: A009
            I thought Algeria North Africa

            southern mediterranean
          2. Doccor18
            Doccor18 15 March 2021 14: 33
            +8
            Excuse me, but ... geography is a very interesting science ...
            Quote: A009
            And where does Algeria and the Mediterranean? Or maybe I have something with geography? I thought Algeria North Africa
          3. Fitter65
            Fitter65 15 March 2021 14: 36
            +10
            Quote: A009
            And where does Algeria and the Mediterranean? Or maybe I have something with geography? I thought Algeria North Africa

            Well, in general terms, the northern part of Algeria is part of the southern Mediterranean coast. Therefore, it is quite legally a Mediterranean country. a country whose shores are washed by the Mediterranean Sea.
            a state in North Africa in the western Mediterranean basin,
            The Mediterranean Sea washes the northern shores of Algeria.
            Geographical position. An Arab state located in the northwestern part of Africa.
            The climate changes sharply from north to south: in the north - Mediterranean.
            1. A009
              A009 15 March 2021 14: 43
              +7
              Quite reasonable. My knowledge of geography was lower than expected.
              1. Fitter65
                Fitter65 15 March 2021 14: 46
                +5
                Quote: A009
                My knowledge of geography was lower than expected.

                And what do you want, the Soviet school. she gave capital knowledge ... hi good
                1. Roma 1977
                  Roma 1977 16 March 2021 09: 14
                  -1
                  Not really. For example, the Soviet axiom: "The Volga flows into the Caspian Sea" should sound right: "The Kama flows into the Caspian Lake."
                  1. Fitter65
                    Fitter65 16 March 2021 11: 39
                    0
                    Quote: Roma-1977
                    For example, the Soviet axiom: "The Volga flows into the Caspian Sea" should sound right: "The Kama flows into the Caspian Lake."
                    Well, about the axiom
                    An axiom, or postulate, is the starting position of a theory, which is accepted within the framework of a given theory as true without requiring proof and used to prove its other statements, which, in turn, are called theorems.
                    Kama
                    .Kama (- a river in the European part of Russia, the left and largest tributary of the Volga.

                    The Kama River ends by flowing into the Volga. It's like the Ussuri, which ends up flowing into the Amur, the Irtysh, which flows into the Ob, the Angara into the Yenesei, and Aldan into the Lena. So your postulate is not correct ... hi
                    1. Roma 1977
                      Roma 1977 16 March 2021 11: 44
                      0
                      There is a nuance. At the junction of the Volga and Kama, the Kama is full-flowing, and therefore, it is the Volga that flows into the Kama, and not the Kama into the Volga. But historically, it is considered the opposite.
                      1. Fitter65
                        Fitter65 16 March 2021 11: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: Roma-1977
                        There is a nuance. At the junction of the Volga and Kama, the Kama is full-flowing, and therefore, it is the Volga that flows into the Kama, and not the Kama into the Volga.

                        The nuance is that when filling the reservoir, water filled the lowland in which the mouth of the Kama River was located, which gives the impression that the Kama is wider than the Volga at the confluence. So, in addition to modern geography, you need to know the history, what and why. So once again I repeat your postulate is not true. By the way, the old channels of the Volga and Kama rivers can be seen on satellite images, you can estimate what the width was, before the filling of the Kuibyshev reservoir at both rivers.
                      2. Roma 1977
                        Roma 1977 16 March 2021 12: 03
                        +2
                        In hydrography there are several rules for identifying the main river and its tributaries, the following signs of rivers at the point of their confluence are usually compared: water content; pool area; structural features of the river system - the number and total length of all tributaries, the length of the main river to the source, the angle of confluence; the altitude of the source and the valley, the average height of the catchment area; the geological age of the valley; width, depth, current speed and other indicators. In terms of water content, the Volga and Kama are almost equal to each other, but the Volga is still less (the average annual water discharge of these rivers is 3750 m³ / sec and 3800 m³ / sec, respectively), and at the confluence of the two rivers, the water flow is higher in the Kama - 4300 m³ / sec. against 3100 m³ / sec. In terms of the catchment area to the confluence of the rivers, the Volga is slightly larger (260900 km² versus 251700 km²), but in terms of the number of tributaries, the Volga in the territory under consideration is inferior to the Kama basin (66500 rivers against 73700). The average and absolute heights of the Volga Basin are less than the Kama Basin, because the Ural Mountains are located in the Kama basin, and the ancient Kama valley is older than the Volga valley. In the first half of the Quaternary period, before the era of maximum glaciation, the Volga did not exist in its present form. There was Kama, which, uniting with Vishera, flowed into the Caspian Sea. Glaciation led to the reformation of the hydrographic network: the Upper Volga, which had previously given water to the Don, began to flow into the Kama, and almost at a right angle. The Lower Volga and today serves as a natural continuation of the Kama and not the Volga valley.
                      3. Fitter65
                        Fitter65 16 March 2021 12: 27
                        -1
                        From a scientific point of view, according to most hydrological features, the Kama is the main river, and the Volga is its tributary [. However, given the most important historical factor, namely, the unifying role of the Volga River in the creation of a unified Russian state, part of the river from the confluence of the Volga with the Kama to the Caspian Sea is considered to be a continuation of the Volga, not the Kama. In modern times, the Kama River is considered a tributary of the Volga River, or rather, a tributary of the Kuibyshev reservoir on the Volga River.

                        So, with all your desire, the Volga still flows into the Caspian Sea, and the Kama flows into the Kuibyshev reservoir on the Volga River. hi drinksAnd by the way, by all indications
                        The Caspian Sea is the largest enclosed body of water on Earth, which can be classified as the largest closed lake

                        Also a controversial issue ...
      2. Errr
        Errr 15 March 2021 15: 29
        +5
        Algeria has 998 km of Mediterranean coastline.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 15 March 2021 14: 53
    +2
    It is interesting - against whom are they so heavily armed? what
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 15 March 2021 15: 39
      +2
      It is interesting - against whom are they so heavily armed? what
      In my opinion, they were always on the level ...
    2. Doccor18
      Doccor18 15 March 2021 15: 54
      +5
      Quote: paul3390
      It is interesting - against whom are they so heavily armed? what

      Against those who defeated Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya .........
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 15 March 2021 15: 56
        +1
        Do you think they will? Even with our weapons? And the bourgeoisie always comes from the inside first .. Buying up the local elite. And only then - bomb.
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 15 March 2021 16: 04
          +4
          The Arab Spring passed by Algeria.
          This country seems to be doing well with power. And the army is on a level. Aviation and air defense are quite modern.
          To arrange a "no-fly zone" as in Libya will not work ...
          1. Shiden
            Shiden 15 March 2021 23: 55
            +2
            As if in the 90s and early 00s, the army was involved in the suppression of local Islamic radicals. At the expense of the power, too, not everything is clear, there is an inter-party struggle. There is no ambition to become a regional leader in North Africa. But on the borders of Algeria is not calm: Mali Ishil, Western Sahara truce, Libya permanent civil war, Morocco border disputes.
    3. keeper03
      keeper03 15 March 2021 20: 18
      +1
      Against the Democrats !!! yes angry soldier
    4. Fitter65
      Fitter65 15 March 2021 23: 57
      0
      Quote: paul3390
      It is interesting - against whom are they so heavily armed? what

      The correct question is against no one, but from whom? An example of Libya, he is right there before my eyes ...
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 15 March 2021 14: 14
    0
    Everything else, including avionics and weapons, will be standard.
    and which standard?
    It seems that they were going to modernize them.
    Will the new version go to Africa, or the last century?
    1. Fitter65
      Fitter65 15 March 2021 14: 42
      +3
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      It seems that they were going to modernize them.
      Will the new version go to Africa, or the last century?
      It's written
      Algerian version of the Su-34 will have the designation Su-34ME
      What is usually deciphered, M-modernized, E-export.
      As Izvestia previously reported, an agreement is now being prepared for the construction of 76 deeply modernized bombers, which are still unofficially designated the Su-34M, or the 10VM object.
      Let it be for now .
    2. Errr
      Errr 15 March 2021 15: 50
      +5
      The Algerians will be supplied with the latest Su-34ME (modified in accordance with the Sych design and development project).
  • Petio
    Petio 15 March 2021 14: 17
    +9
    Well! With the first successful export. But Algeria has a fairly large number of Su-30 MKA. Su-34 will actually replace the Su-24 SVP - strictly a bomber
    1. Errr
      Errr 15 March 2021 18: 50
      +2
      The Su-34ME will not be replaced by the Su-24 SVP (this does not exist; there is only the Hephaestus SVP-24 sighting and navigation system, originally created for the Su-24M), but, obviously, the Su-24M and, possibly, Su-24MK.
  • avia12005
    avia12005 15 March 2021 14: 21
    +6
    Russia itself needs to have at least a couple more Su-34 air divisions. We only have about 130 boards. The NATO Air Force, even without aircraft carriers, is several times superior to the Russian Federation in bomb load.
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 15 March 2021 14: 43
      +10
      Quote: avia12005
      The NATO Air Force, even without aircraft carriers, is several times superior to the Russian Federation

      Do you propose to catch up with all the nata?
      Oh!
      1. avia12005
        avia12005 15 March 2021 15: 27
        +2
        Not oh, but ay. There the score goes 8-12 times. And you need at least 3-4.
  • bald
    bald 15 March 2021 14: 23
    +2
    It pleases the state relations with Algeria. level, respectively with control, Bl. , and who served the shadow, or there is still no sound about deliveries, and who will not answer ?!
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 15 March 2021 14: 46
      +3
      Well, Algeria is also quite multi-vector.
      German, French, Chinese, Italian ships.


      Russian Cornets have diluted HJ-12 (the first foreign recipient) and talk about the supply of HJ-10 (which is heavy a la Spike). Also, Chinese MLRS, Chinese mortars, Chinese howitzers.



      Well, 2 billion dollars went to the Chinese construction corporation for the largest mosque in Africa - Jamaa el-Jazair.

      1. bald
        bald 15 March 2021 16: 49
        0
        Yes, you are right, at last Africa slowly began to think, and I remember in the early 70s, Algerian chewing gum then did not understand what was what.
      2. bald
        bald 15 March 2021 16: 56
        +1
        And there is a lot of vectoriality, so much for ..... whether these arguments and notes of protest --- we need to put everyone in their place, I'm 58, but I'll go, skills are not lost and you need to start with Ukraine and not wait - there is fascism, and the UN and the EU and any such dumping-must be DESTROYED!
  • Flooding
    Flooding 15 March 2021 14: 28
    0
    Quote: avia12005
    The NATO Air Force, even without aircraft carriers, is several times superior to the Russian Federation in bomb load.

    Do you consider it necessary and feasible for Russia to have parity in conventional weapons with the combined forces of NATO?
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 15 March 2021 14: 47
      0
      Well, let's calculate what is parity for aircraft and ships.
      yes, at least by the number of cr.
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 15 March 2021 14: 49
    +2
    Twenty is not a lot, but good too. The little factory will work a little.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 15 March 2021 14: 53
    -11%
    And they will pay with dates, what have they got there?
    1. Romeo
      Romeo 15 March 2021 15: 06
      +5
      petrodollars. The country is not poor
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 15 March 2021 15: 37
      +5
      Quote: Ros 56
      And they will pay with dates, what have they got there?

      You have a 19th century understanding of Algeria. They have enough bucks.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 15 March 2021 17: 34
        0
        You are right, Africa, it will remain Africa. But money is good.
  • Pastor
    Pastor 15 March 2021 15: 02
    +1
    The main thing is to start. This is, in our acromic understanding, Algeria is Arab Africa. They have their own interests and their own understanding of the place on the African continent.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 15 March 2021 15: 04
    +1
    Algeria buys Russian front-line bombers Su-34
    Long-term event ... I hope the "fruit" will be edible.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 15 March 2021 15: 28
    +1
    It took the parties a long time to come to this deal. The Su-30 slowed it down. Moreover, there is an overlap in opportunities.
  • Benk
    Benk 15 March 2021 15: 41
    +2
    Scramble.nl writes:
    "As expected and probably confirmed by senior officials of the Russian military-industrial complex through the Russian press information quoted by MENADEFENSE, Force Aérienne Algérienne (Algerian Air Force) will receive six parallel Su-34 medium bombers. By the end of 2021."

    Which of our VIPs has been confirmed in the last few days?

    menadefense writes in an article three days ago:
    "Confirmation by the Russian press of information provided to MENADEFENSE more than a year ago on the results of negotiations on the delivery of the first batch of 14 medium bombers Su-34E"

    Has the Russian press confirmed something? And which particular edition?

    Well, on the website Force Aérienne Algérienne (Algerian Air Force) in the latest news, there is no information on the deal.
  • mvg
    mvg 15 March 2021 15: 56
    -4
    No country in the world is developing a dedicated front-line bomber anymore. Only write off. Germany - Tornado, China - JH-7 ... As usual, the RF Aerospace Forces are smarter than everyone else. What is the functional difference between the Su-30 with a suspended sighting container and the Su-34?
    Why is there another plane in the VKS? MiG-25/29/31/35, Su-24/25/27/30/34/35/57, Tu-22/95/142/160 and all this in different modifications, with different radars, engines and logistics. We are still laughing for India ..
    1. DWG1905
      DWG1905 15 March 2021 16: 59
      +3
      So they don’t, not because they don’t need to. Geyropa is greedy and does not allocate money for defense. The Americans see it all in their own way, for a war with savages, and so it will do. We are really going to fight, as it is customary we are always going to, sometimes it helps. Any general-purpose aircraft and not only an aircraft is worse than a highly specialized one. Versatility is a compromise between conflicting requirements for purpose, due to attempts to sit on all the chairs at once. Anyway, if there is a possibility of encountering enemy fighters, it is necessary to equip part of the aircraft for strikes against ground targets, and part for battle with enemy fighters. Therefore, universality still does not work. It is more effective to use specialized aircraft for strikes against ground targets under the cover of fighters. I will not write about the distribution of functions among the crew members of the Su-34, but this is more effective than trying to hang everything on one person. And Algeria is not Libya, the descendants of the pirates, however, cut their busters, I recommend reading about the civil war in Algeria.
      1. mvg
        mvg 15 March 2021 18: 16
        0
        Geyropa is greedy and does not allocate money for defense

        Our military budget is at the level of Germany and France in billions of dollars if you count, slightly higher than that of the KSA.
        Any general-purpose aircraft and not only an aircraft worse than a highly specialized

        The F-15SE is no worse, but due to the advanced AN / APG-82 radar (a slightly simplified version of the F-22) and JDAM, it is much more interesting than Hephaestus and cast iron with a KAB. And it raises the same amount, and in logistics not far from the F-15C / D.
        There was an interesting article, an advanced author on VO, not like pockmarked, Polonsky and buffoonery.
        I won't, but it's more effective than trying to hang everything on one person

        SE based on twin D
        PS: So they weren't convinced ... that we, as usual, are the smartest in cutting the budget. The most real belligerent country is the states.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 15 March 2021 17: 49
      +2
      Quote: mvg
      Why is there another plane in the Aerospace Forces? MiG-25/29/31/35, Su-24/25/27/30/34/35/57, Tu-22/95/142/160

      You have mixed in one pile completely different aircraft. Was it just the name of the design bureau that raked it?
      1. mvg
        mvg 15 March 2021 18: 24
        0
        planes completely different in purpose in one pile

        Well, for a bunch of F-15/16/35 for the Air Force we have 25/29/31/35 and 27/30/35/57, is that easier? At the same time, there are more modifications than Blocks for the F-16 and variants from the F-15, we do not consider export versions, MKK, MKI, MKM, etc.
        With bombers .. we have Su-25/24/34 and Tu-22/95/142/160 in the states, B-2 / 1V / 52
        It's easier?
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 15 March 2021 20: 46
          +2
          Quote: mvg
          Okay, on a bunch of F-15/16/35

          + F-18/22
          Ту-22/95/142/160 у штатов, Б-2/1В/52

          If you hooked up the Tu-142 to bombers, then why did you miss the US P-8 Poseidon?
    3. sivuch
      sivuch 15 March 2021 18: 28
      +4
      Does the Su-30 already have these containers? We have been waiting for many years (this is without any sarcasm, really a shame), but there is a Platan tree and it is actively used in Syria.
      Above there is a picture of the Owl - will you hang it on the Su-27/30? The correct answer is no, not really. And PTB-3000 too, as well as SAP-14.
      https://naukatehnika.com/rossijskaya-voennaya-aviacziya-popolnyaetsya-sredstvami-reb.html
      Russian military aviation is replenished with electronic warfare
      Content source: https://naukatehnika.com/rossijskaya-voennaya-aviacziya-popolnyaetsya-sredstvami-reb.html
      naukatehnika.com
      Anyway, any load above 1700 kilos per suspension for the Su-30 is contraindicated. The only exception is Brahmos, but this is the exception that confirms the rule.
      1. mvg
        mvg 15 March 2021 20: 32
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        Does the Su-30 already have these same containers?

        We have neither an / AAQ-33 Sniper (USA), nor Jewish, nor French counterpart. But we can do it using the Chinese element base. For Egypt, they did it, using French electronics. And there is a backlog, in 2014 they froze.
        as well as SAP-14

        They are being hung on the Su-35S, which means they will soon be hung on the Su-30SM. In general, ideally, the drummers should be covered by specialized "growlers", which, instead of the KAB-1500, will carry the Regatta and the Tarantula. It will be right.
        The only exception is Brahmos, but this is the exception that confirms the rule

        Well, they themselves answered, and hung a 2500 kg "carcass" under the belly of the Su-30MKI. Well, anti-submarine torpedoes are many times lighter.
        I see the meaning in a specialized MRA aircraft, similar to the P-8E and strikers, based on the Su-30SM2M. I see no point in a separate Su-34. Even the Indians were not interested in him, despite the fact that they wrote off the MiG-27. Not a single gesture was made. But the Poseidons have purchased and the Su-30MKI are being overwhelmed
        1. sivuch
          sivuch 15 March 2021 20: 51
          +4
          Is there a photo of the Su-35 with the SAP-14? And then with the SAP-518 - as much as you like, but for the heavier 14 - only the Su-34. As for Brahmos, it was no accident that I wrote that this is an exception that proves the rule. Initially, the Indians planned to hang it under every 30-ku, and after a 15-year epupei - only under 40 specially modified cars. In short - heavy suspensions are not for the 30s. Yes, and the total weight of BN at 10V is much higher (after all, what has already been discussed). If the car began to be designed now, it could make sense in talking about universalization, but not using the ready-made material is simply stupid
          1. mvg
            mvg 15 March 2021 21: 10
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            Initially, the Indians planned to hang it under every 30-ku, and after a 15-year epupei - only under 40 specially modified cars. In short - heavy suspensions are not for 30s

            Well, can you take a couple of AGM-158B JASSM-ER weighing 1050 kg? Warhead weight 400+ kg, range 1000 km. Why do we make monstrous anti-ship missiles, weighing 3-4-7 tons? Do we add special bricks for weight?
            As an option, we can also strengthen the glider with titanium for the chilled Su-30SM. There is titanium, the technology of welding is there. The price tag of $ 50 million is not affected by 300 kg of titanium. Much more was spent on the MiG-31 and Tu-160.
            PS: Medium F-18 Super Bumblebee carries two such missiles. And the F-18EX is generally 13 tons, more than the Su-24/34.
            Is there a photo of the Su-35 with the SAP-14?

            For some reason, it seems that on an imported basis, SEP-14 will weigh a lot lighter than in 2007. It is not necessary to put lamps and power transformers there. wassat
            PS: Again we run into sanctions and technologies. We need to connect China and its microelectronics. And replace the French in the Su-30/35
            1. pin_code
              pin_code 16 March 2021 06: 07
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              about F-18 with 13 tons, and add. the fuel tanks were counted separately or together with the missiles ... otherwise he would almost immediately have to return to the Avik, refuel ... and without the PTB, the F-18 AUG should be suitable for an effective strike from coastal-based missiles ...
              1. mvg
                mvg 16 March 2021 14: 49
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                about F-18 with 13 tons

                F-15EX ... and F-15SE 10 tons, while the pylon can hang 7000 lbs, i.e. 3 tons.
                1. pin_code
                  pin_code 18 March 2021 06: 04
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                  Stop! I replied to your comment about the F-18 with 13 tons of load, why should I load the F-15 with 10 tons, which takes off from an ordinary airfield?
            2. sivuch
              sivuch 16 March 2021 12: 59
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              Why do we make monstrous anti-ship missiles, weighing 3-4-7 tons?
              Just a fee for supersonic, large warhead, built-in electronic warfare station. In each case in its own way. Here the X-35 is quite consistent with analogues, incl. by weight and dimensions.
              as an option, we can also strengthen the glider with titanium for the chilled Su-30SM.
              But this is not necessary. Just because of the titanium capsule, the platypus in Novosibirsk was mastered for a long time and painfully. On the Su-30 and even the Su-35, they did not make minor changes - for example, they did not add PTBs.
              For some reason, it seems that SEP-14 on the import base will weigh a lot lighter than in 2007.
              Will not . It's just that SAP-14 is a group protection station, hence the greater power consumption and weight and dimensions.
              Yes, and no one has seen T220 containers either, although there are plenty of photos of F-16s with containers. Although, they say, someone in the T220 troops saw and they (containers) even worked.
              But this is not called implementation.
              1. mvg
                mvg 16 March 2021 15: 12
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                Just a fee for supersonic, large warhead, built-in electronic warfare station

                On AGM-158 weighing 1000 kg, warhead weighing 420-450 kg, more than on Caliber.
                Can you tell me what kind of electronic warfare on Granites, Volcanoes, Onyx? All under 7 tons of weight. The same for the aircraft Kh-22/32. Somehow the Japanese made a supersonic ASM-3 anti-ship missile system weighing 900 kg.
                SAP-14 is a group protection station

                I voiced my opinion, we need special electronic warfare aircraft, like the Growlers. Hang them 2 pieces of R-73 just in case, a container under the belly.
                due to the titanium capsule of the platypus

                When Tu-160M ​​was launched, titanium welding was mastered again. We did it. The spars have to cook.
  • Orkraider
    Orkraider 15 March 2021 17: 13
    +2
    Quote: mvg
    As usual, the RF Aerospace Forces are the smartest.

    There is no prophet in his own country.
    wink
    It seems to me that there is no need to judge so harshly, the car is successful and necessary for our open spaces. Do you need to repeat after others? Most probably not.
    She needs unified engines with 30/35 and an updated avionics and a modified version for the MPA.
    I spoke with a pilot from Baltimore, who participated in practicing a non-stop flight of 5000 km, so here are his words, a quote:
    “... at the end of the 5th hour, I was not tired at all and was ready to continue both the flight and start the exercises. Wonderful car .. ".

    If we upgrade it to the naval version (for this, everything is there, refueling in the air, the cockpit equipment provides the possibility of many hours of flights without unnecessary crew fatigue, which is essential for the tasks of the Navy, the ability to carry anti-ship missiles), as its creator, Martirosov, planned solution for today.
    1. mvg
      mvg 15 March 2021 18: 29
      -1
      If we modify it to the naval version

      And what are the tasks? There is not enough range to replace the Tu-22M3M (no one will give you refuel over the Indian Ocean, neither tankers, nor the opportunity), but near its shore, the Su-30SM2M is enough.
      What kind of RCC do you want to hang? Long-suffering X-35A 200+ km? And nothing else is airy for Su.
      1. Orkraider
        Orkraider 15 March 2021 19: 40
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        Greetings!
        hi
        And what are the tasks? There is not enough range to replace the Tu-22M3M (no one will give you refuel over the Indian Ocean, neither tankers, nor the opportunity), but near its shore, the Su-30SM2M is enough.
        What kind of RCC do you want to hang? Long-suffering X-35A 200+ km? And nothing else is airy for Su.


        Firstly,
        even with the x-35, the capabilities are extremely good, given the lack of MPA as such now. A couple of regiments of these machines, with the possibility of long-distance runs, for 3-5 thousand kilometers, this is what the enemy will have to take into account. Although entering the zone of action of the enemy's naval air defense is not good, but ... there is secondly

        Secondly,
        In contrast to India, the Onyx anti-ship missile did not hit the domestic Su-30s. But the Su-34 initially had a strong wing, under which heavy missiles could be placed, R.G. Martirosov was an ardent supporter of such modernization and confirmed the possibility of using the Onyx anti-ship missile system from the underwing suspension units, and with numbers. And this means that having finished the onyxes, we, and not the Indians with their Brahmos, would have had the Onyx in the MRA, and this is a massive volley of 44 missiles at full flight of the air regiment.

        Thirdly, the FN, which the sailors tried to drag through, in addition to the usual set of avionics, also received a search and sighting system, which is now known as the "Sea Serpent" and is installed on Indian Il-38SD anti-submarine aircraft, and in a modified version with reduced capabilities - on domestic IL-38. This means that the overwhelmed 34 could participate in anti-submarine operations, of course, this would not be the main task for him, but it would be possible to strengthen anti-submarine aviation with such aircraft

        Fourthly, in su-30 you won't hang over the sea for a long time, they will quickly get tired and the patrol will go home. Su-34 can spend more than 8 hours in the air, with refueling naturally, and the pilots will not be exhausted. Watch the flight in 2010, the Vostok 2010 exercise, and the reports on how the crew felt.

        And about refueling over the Indian Ocean: for now we need to cover the house well, but only then ... we can think about the future, but this is no longer within the framework of this discussion.


        And I am 100% sure that sooner or later they will come to this option, Tu-22m3 is too small, and MRA is the tool that will allow in the next 7-10 years to keep its close zone.
        1. mvg
          mvg 15 March 2021 20: 17
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          Greetings!

          Have a nice one you too
          Although entering the zone of action of the enemy's naval air defense is not good

          SM-6 with its 460 km, just entering the zone of action of the air defense AUG and KUG, if we have the Kh-35A with its 260 km.
          Onyx (Yakhont), theoretically launched only with the Tu-22M3, the Indians were shortened by 540 mm and made their BrahMos lighter by half a ton. And then, we have a range of 300 km. Also entering the zone of action of air defense and naval aviation. And such a tree will "glow" for all 400-500 km on E-2D radars.
          in su-30 you won't hang over the sea for a long time

          Something seems to me that the presence of a latrine and a microwave does not greatly increase the time spent in the air, as is also fuel in additional tanks. Once again, no one will allow refueling in the air, with the complete superiority of NATO aviation in the air. Su-30SM2 also has the ability to refuel in the air, except for the "product 117" and the Irbis.
          y-22m3 is too small, and MPA

          For the MRA, aircraft are needed, such as the P-8E Poseidon, or its Japanese counterpart. With tracking equipment, dropped buoys and a dozen aircraft torpedoes of the Mk-54 type, and the ability to patrol in the air, 8-9 hours, and a crew of 6-7 people. And the Su-34 is not a drummer who could stand up for himself, due to the weak radar, and not an MPA at all, due to its short range. Those. neither fish nor fowl. No wonder they immediately took up the modernization. And there are no export opportunities. Simply nothing else can be offered to Algeria.
          1. Orkraider
            Orkraider 15 March 2021 21: 47
            +3
            Quote: mvg
            SM-6 with its 460 km

            Trim sturgeon. laughing
            You give the range for the anti-ship version of the SM6 (bik1, IB) and the anti-missile (IIA) - the BR interceptor. If we talk about an anti-aircraft missile, sm6 (rim-174 eram), then this is 160 kilometers, and the Block 4A version isto 240 km


            Quote: mvg
            Something seems to me that the presence of a latrine and a microwave does not greatly increase the time spent in the air, as is also fuel in additional tanks.


            The ability to get up and stretch. This greatly increases the possibilities for normal functioning. It is worth a lot, this is not my opinion, but those who retrained them.

            Quote: mvg
            Once again, no one will allow refueling in the air, with the complete superiority of NATO aviation in the air


            There will be enough forces to cover your tanker, especially if it is under the umbrella of long-range air defense systems. Once again, we do not need the Indian Ocean, we must close our borders.

            Quote: mvg
            For the MRA, aircraft are needed, such as the P-8E Poseidon, or its Japanese counterpart.

            Yes, these are also needed. We have Tu-142, about 20 aircraft now, if I'm not mistaken. And the IL-38, of which there are about 8 in the Novella version and about 40 I do not know in which version. Unfortunately, there is no replacement for them, you need to keep and modernize the existing ones.
            But they need su34 (in the NF version) to help them, it could "prop up" the capabilities of the anti-submarine Il-38 and Tu-142. Our anti-submarine aircraft do not carry guided missile weapons, and when an enemy submarine floats up and stands “on a stop”, there is nothing to reach it - anti-submarine torpedoes of an aircraft cannot hit such a target. And the Su-34 guided missiles could well, plus a catch-up search: I remind you of what was written above, the search and sighting system, which today is known as the Sea Serpent and is installed on the Indian Il-38SD anti-submarine aircraft, was installed on the SU-32 NF.

            And the Su-34 is not a drummer who could stand up for himself

            A question of revision. But it can attack air targets, unlike the Il-38 and Tu-142, which are generally defenseless against enemy fighters. And this will have to be done with caution, from afar and with respect.
            1. mvg
              mvg 16 March 2021 00: 19
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              Trim the sturgeon. laughing

              460 km, whatever one may say ... there are tests for 260 km.
              https://vpk.name/library/f/sm-6.html
              The ability to get up and stretch

              Hang the hydromassage net on the chair. You can even make a solarium from the cabin, anyway cheaper than the extra space for the kitchenette + toilet. 6-8 hours is quite tolerable.
              You will have enough strength to cover your tanker, especially if it is under the umbrella of long-range air defense systems

              Tell this to the pilots of Il-20 and Su-24/25 in Georgia 08.08.08, how they were "covered" by their air defense
              We have Tu-142, about 20 aircraft now, if I'm not mistaken. And the IL-38, of which there are about 8 in the Novella version and about 40 I do not know in which version. Unfortunately, there is no replacement for them, you need to keep and modernize the existing ones.

              Yes, you, my friend, are an ineradicable optimist. I envy. Make the correction yourself: there are only 38 Il-2M ... 142 about the same ..
              And this will have to be done with caution, from afar and with respect.

              But Poseidon can use missiles in-in. I vote, instead of 3-ex 142/38/34 to make a normal MRA aircraft on the basis of Tu-214 or MS-21. At the same time, and AWACS, since the program Premier A-100 stood rooted to the spot.
              1. Orkraider
                Orkraider 16 March 2021 01: 32
                +2
                Quote: mvg
                Yes, you, my friend, are an ineradicable optimist. I envy. Make the correction yourself: there are only 38 Il-2M ... 142 about the same ..


                And you, excuse me, got lost in two pines.
                I wrote about 8 boards, IL-38Н, Novella. Board numbers: 11, 15, 19, 22, 23, 24, 27, 78 - all yellow.
                What are the 2 pieces?
                Confirmation photo below.
                There are many more who have not undergone repairs and upgrades, I have named the approximate figure above, I will not confirm, sorry, I will not have enough time. On the list of their BN, in the public domain, you can find them yourself and see.




                1. Orkraider
                  Orkraider 16 March 2021 01: 34
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                  All photos are not included, I am finalizing:

                  1. Orkraider
                    Orkraider 16 March 2021 01: 53
                    +1
                    For Tu-142MZ: today there are 6 cars, board number: 59,51,54,64,97,53 (photo below)
                    Another 6 Tu-142MK aircraft are being upgraded to M3.
                    The remaining 9 are MR.






                    Total 6 M3, 6 MK and 9 MR.
                    This is certainly not enough, but not yours either:
                    only 2 pieces ... 142 about the same ..
  • DWG1905
    DWG1905 15 March 2021 17: 29
    +1
    Quote: mvg
    No country in the world is developing a dedicated front-line bomber anymore. Only write off. Germany - Tornado, China - JH-7 ... As usual, the RF Aerospace Forces are smarter than everyone else. What is the functional difference between the Su-30 with a suspended sighting container and the Su-34?
    Why is there another plane in the VKS? MiG-25/29/31/35, Su-24/25/27/30/34/35/57, Tu-22/95/142/160 and all this in different modifications, with different radars, engines and logistics. We are still laughing for India ..

    It is not necessary to throw planes of different generations and different purposes into a heap. For example, it is difficult to make a universal plane instead of the carrier of Tu-95MS cruise missiles and Tu-142MZ anti-submarine missiles, I'm afraid all the equipment will not fit into the plane. Not everything is so bad with logistics, half of the spare parts on the planes of the same design bureau are the same.
  • Russobel
    Russobel 15 March 2021 21: 39
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    We thought for a long time, but as they say, it's better to see once than hear a hundred times ...
  • Briz
    Briz 16 March 2021 00: 11
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    Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
    And, mind you, many of them are incredibly proud of their "still Soviet!" higher education

    They lie! Soviet education tended to be fundamental, clip art is post-Soviet (I did not dare to call it Russian, since the pre-revolutionary Russian was even more fundamental than the Soviet one.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 16 March 2021 01: 05
    -1
    Even if you sell them the Death Star, they will either break it or lose it. Arabs they are so Arabs.
  • Joker62
    Joker62 16 March 2021 01: 50
    +2
    Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
    So. So that it was immediately clear.
    The loan will be written off.
    They'll pay with palm oil.
    (SRKZM)

    Algeria, always pays in hard currency - in euros or in dollars, but never with ralm oil! And powder the brains of people, which you do not really know! Exped couch ...
  • storm
    storm 16 March 2021 08: 13
    +2
    The news about the sale of the Su-34 to Algeria has already been denied in several media outlets, so it's too early to "break the spears" ...
  • lazy
    lazy 16 March 2021 13: 44
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    wasn’t the export version the su-32 called?
  • tezey
    tezey 17 March 2021 01: 11
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    The news was not confirmed.
  • Taga
    Taga 18 March 2021 12: 14
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    Not a bad chance for aircraft factories to stay afloat.