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Chance or fiasco for the United States: on the likelihood of war between Russia and Ukraine

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The situation in Donbass is again in the spotlight: the media are spreading footage of the transfer of Ukrainian troops, including armored vehicles, to areas bordering on the people's republics, and Kiev and the republics accuse each other of violating the Minsk agreements. It is possible that from a relatively sluggish phase, the confrontation in the Donbass may again develop into a larger-scale armed conflict.


Everything will depend on the position of Washington behind Kiev. Of course, the Americans are interested not so much in the suppression of the militias and the inclusion of the people's republics in Ukraine, as in the possibility of pushing Ukraine and Russia head-on. So, about the likelihood of a real war.

The results of the war will be disastrous for Ukraine and the West


Ukraine is a large Slavic state in terms of territory and population. If it entered into an armed conflict with Russia, then such a development of events could be a real gift for the American side: a full-scale war near its borders is clearly not part of Moscow's plans, but there would be nowhere to go. Another thing is that there is a colossal risk that the Russian armed forces will quickly defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine and establish control over most of Ukraine. And this will be a complete fiasco for the United States. They will fight back, perhaps, with new sanctions. It is the fear of such a scenario that is keeping the American administration from setting Ukraine against a neighboring state so far.

The balance of power between Russia and Ukraine, at least at the current moment, is the main argument in favor of the unrealistic nature of the war between neighboring countries. First, Europe is not at all interested in such a war: France and Germany will do everything possible to prevent a new large-scale conflict with the most sad consequences erupted in the east of Europe.


Secondly, if we talk about Washington's position, the Americans also perfectly understand the disastrous outcome of such a confrontation for Ukraine. In case of war, Russian troops will most likely reach the Dnieper, and then Moscow will control practically all of southeastern Ukraine. This, by the way, will make it possible to solve both the economic problems of providing Crimea with water and the political problems of uniting the Russian-speaking population.

What to expect from the USA


If Russia defeats Ukraine and takes control of most of its territories by installing a friendly or even neutral government in Kiev, then all the many years of US efforts to withdraw Ukraine from Russian influence will be in vain. After all, even the currently still valid Minsk agreements were signed at one time in order to stop the LPR and DPR, which were quite successful in battles with the Ukrainian army.

Since Ukraine will not be able to defeat Russia on its own, Washington will either have to tacitly watch its defeat, or come to Kiev's aid. But the second option is a direct conflict with Russia, the Third World War, with the inevitable use of nuclear weapons... If Joe Biden has not yet overtaken age-related changes, and there are relatively adequate people in his environment, then no one will go to such a scenario in the White House.

Another thing is that the Americans could be arranged by the smoldering conflict in the Donbass, without any prospect of appeasement. Indeed, in this case, the United States would retain the ability to constantly present claims to Russia, impose sanctions, increase its military presence in Eastern Europe, and raise defense spending under the banner of helping "freedom-loving Ukraine."

By the way, American experts themselves admit that the likelihood of direct confrontation between Russia and Ukraine is rather doubtful: the Council on Foreign Relations and the US Center for Preventive Action in January 2021 assessed the prospect of a war between the two countries as moderate, but at the same time emphasized the high likelihood of an aggravation of the situation in Donbass. So, even in the United States itself, they have not yet fully decided what the real Russian-Ukrainian war will be for Washington - a chance or a fiasco, but the fact is that for the United States it will definitely not pass without a trace.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 14 March 2021 09: 59
    +29
    What is the article about? About pouring empty into empty? To be honest, I'm already tired of thinking about the coffee grounds.
    1. Cheshire
      Cheshire 14 March 2021 10: 03
      0
      Yes, this is a chance, a chance. Only for x in - surrender to us, and there
      Putin will come, he will put things in order ..
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 14 March 2021 10: 10
        +21
        Quote: Cheshire
        Putin will come, he will put things in order ..

        "Putin", or the forces supported by Russia (with the participation of the RF Armed Forces - request repeat ), a little earlier or a little later, they will still take power in Little Russia.

        But order there - to establish them themselves.
        1. figwam
          figwam 14 March 2021 10: 49
          +3
          Some unpleasant event is about to happen on the outskirts today.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 14 March 2021 10: 51
            +13
            Quote: figvam
            Some unpleasant event is about to happen on the outskirts today.

            Let it happen unpleasant for them yes
            1. figwam
              figwam 14 March 2021 11: 20
              +1
              Quote: Insurgent
              Let it happen, unpleasant for them

              Quite right, they said so - "a difficult day for the Ukrainian society." And yes I was mistaken, not today, but tomorrow.
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 14 March 2021 11: 23
                +5
                Quote: figvam
                Quite right, they said so - "a difficult day for the Ukrainian society." And yes I was mistaken, not today, but tomorrow.

                Let tomorrow ... Only now what ... March, spring slush ... If it froze today, then tomorrow what request ...

                Or do they intend to complete everything with lightning speed, or to advance only on the asphalt?

                1. figwam
                  figwam 14 March 2021 11: 32
                  +2
                  Quote: Insurgent
                  or to step only on the asphalt?

                  If there was little snow, then the fields will dry out quickly.
                  1. Insurgent
                    Insurgent 14 March 2021 11: 37
                    +9
                    Quote: figvam

                    If there was little snow, then the fields will dry out quickly.

                    It all depends on the properties and structure of soils, we have mainly the upper rather small layer is black earth, then alumina and clay.
                    Therefore, the upper layers saturated with moisture from the thaws, now slightly frozen, lie on a clay "waterproof cushion". And in the event of a thaw, the whole thing turns into such a "mess" ...

                    But again, the South of the DPR, and the North, where the main events can unfold - different climates and soils ...
                2. Black lotos
                  Black lotos 15 March 2021 12: 18
                  -5
                  Quote: Insurgent
                  Either they intend to complete everything with lightning speed, or only attack on the asphalt

                  Have you laid highways there? laughing
                  1. Insurgent
                    Insurgent 15 March 2021 13: 12
                    +2
                    Quote: Black Lotos
                    Have you laid highways there?

                    Of course not, in Donetsk trams still run on wooden rails.
              2. stels_07
                stels_07 14 March 2021 11: 49
                +2
                The names of the politicians who allegedly interfered with the CIA operation against the Wagnerites will be named.
                1. figwam
                  figwam 14 March 2021 12: 08
                  +2
                  Quote: stels_07
                  The names of the politicians who allegedly interfered with the CIA operation against the Wagnerites will be named.

                  Yes, this version is voiced that tomorrow there will be a film from the English Billingcat, although they did not announce this, about the failure of the operation to arrest the Wagnerites, but how this information can be "historical", "watershed", "difficult day for society" I do not understand. Breaking diplomatic relations with Russia, declaring us an enemy, closing borders, etc. is more suitable for such statements.
              3. Alex Nevs
                Alex Nevs 14 March 2021 12: 19
                +4
                This darned product is a pyramid for cancer.
                1. figwam
                  figwam 14 March 2021 12: 42
                  +1
                  Quote: Alex Nevs
                  This darned product is a pyramid for cancer.

                  Yes, this is it)))
                2. Vladimir Mashkov
                  Vladimir Mashkov 14 March 2021 13: 03
                  +4
                  Ilya writes very carefully, believing that it will be, or not, and that the Americans have not yet decided whether to fight Ukraine with Russia. He does not seem to see or hear what many experts and witnesses of the powerful concentration of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are saying at the front in / in the Donbass.

                  Of course, to assert 100% that necessarily it will soon be impossible, since the Americans can both delay the beginning and cancel. But - no further than August. There is little chance that the war will be canceled altogether: all the circumstances are FOR it. And the victory in this war for Ukraine-USA-West is possible only by a short-term powerful blitzkrieg with an abrupt halt and loud cries to the whole world about Russia's aggression in order to stop Russia as well. And the US gave the order for the war, I suppose. What the Joker writes about. Preparations are underway for it.

                  The task of Russia is not to miss the beginning and instantly, it is powerful to react without paying attention to the screams until the end of the execution its tasks. There is no way to miss and lose to the Russian leadership: Russians, Russians will never forgive him, and for Russia as a whole it will be a major loss.

                  And the point today is not at all in Ukraine: Americans are absolutely not interested in the fate of the aborigines and the colony of Ukraine. The West - even more so. The point is in American interests in Europe, which may collapse after the end and commissioning of the SP-2, which it is very, vitally important for the Americans to prohibit at any cost, in any way in the near future. And comatose Ukraine with the war in Donbass will do quite well, and there is this way. A gain for the United States is possible in any outcome of this war. No matter how cynical, but even complete destruction and surrender of Ukraine.

                  Sometime in 2014, I wrote that the war in the Donbass is a modern combined Stalingrad-Kursk battle in significance. I repeat this now. Only the fate of Ukraine after this battle will be much shorter than Nazi Germany.

                  And Russia needs to prepare for the next sanctions, which necessarily will be at any the outcome.
                  1. 210ox
                    210ox 14 March 2021 18: 45
                    +1
                    Vladimir, I respect you as a convinced person. But the practice of recent years shows that the Country Chief has turned into a "man in a case." We will not leave “and right there about“ all the steps must be calculated. ”No matter what happens, it becomes the cornerstone. People in the South-East in the spring of 2014 were waiting, well, finally! And now the situation does not allow to read in advance. There will be no time for a sudden blow to think. It's like in 2008, in August. All plans were worked out, and all the same they chewed gum for almost a day and waited. Do you want to say that then there was an eternally sleeping guy with an iPhone at the helm? Now it is not much better.
                    1. Vladimir Mashkov
                      Vladimir Mashkov 14 March 2021 20: 37
                      +1
                      So I also did something small and hoped in 2014. But it didn't happen. I believe that this is his (their) miscalculation.

                      As for his indecision in today's situation ... He's not d .. like. And his assistants are sensible. All the mistakes have been taken into account long ago, the waters have been made, plans have been drawn up, preparations have been made, everything is at the start. They are waiting for the "green rocket". UKRAINIAN! laughing laughing laughing

                      And you certainly have every right to have your own opinion! smile

                      Which of us is right will soon become, I hope, clear.
              4. nnm
                nnm 14 March 2021 13: 16
                +3
                This is it about the story with the Wagnerites. There, the results of the investigation were to be released. But we have already outplayed and only after 2-3 weeks. But in fact, this condom just needs to be sent to listen.
              5. COJIDAT
                COJIDAT 15 March 2021 17: 20
                0
                it's about a hangover))
          2. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 14 March 2021 11: 04
            +2
            Quote: figvam
            Some unpleasant event is about to happen on the outskirts today.

            Actually, they promised tomorrow, the 15th. We are waiting, sir.
          3. Prisoner
            Prisoner 14 March 2021 11: 17
            +3
            For whom are they unpleasant? If for Bandera, then to hell with them, and if for normal Ukrainians, then sucks.
          4. Alexey Sommer
            Alexey Sommer 14 March 2021 12: 42
            0
            Quote: figvam
            Some unpleasant event is about to happen on the outskirts today.

            Do you believe Ukrainian journalists? !!!
            1. figwam
              figwam 14 March 2021 12: 50
              0
              Quote: Alexey Sommer
              Do you believe Ukrainian journalists? !!!

              Well, if he promised nasty things for us in a few years, then you can spit and forget, but here the forecast for its outskirts, which in a few days can be checked, maybe the truth is that Biden's gang has come up with something for them.
        2. Hlavaty
          Hlavaty 14 March 2021 11: 08
          +15
          Quote: Insurgent
          "Putin", or the forces supported by Russia (with the participation of the RF Armed Forces -), a little earlier or a little later, will nevertheless take power in Little Russia.

          Oh, you just promise and promise ... smile
          Question: WHY will they take power in Little Russia?
          When in 2014 there were demonstrations with Russian flags all over Little Russia and pro-Russian Ukrainians called the Russian Federation for help, then for some reason the Russian Federation pretended to be deaf and blind from birth. That is, no one is going to help the Slavic brothers in the Russian Federation.
          And now the theme "to take power in Little Russia" suddenly arises. In 2014 they didn't want to, but in 2021 they suddenly wanted to. And since we are not talking about helping the Ukrainian people, it becomes clear that those who come to "take power" will only solve their own problems. And again at the expense of the residents of Ukraine.
          That is why very few people in Ukraine place any hopes on the Russian Federation. Most are simply trying to survive and have long ceased to understand what games the Kremlin towers play with the hills of Washington. In these games, Ukrainians are just consumables. And, by the way, LDNR - this is clearly shown to everyone.
          1. BMP-2
            BMP-2 14 March 2021 11: 44
            +5
            Stupid is not the one who does not make mistakes, but the one who does not correct them.
            1. BMP-2
              BMP-2 17 March 2021 19: 20
              0
              I am correcting myself :): "He is not stupid who makes mistakes, but he who does not correct them!" repeat
          2. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 14 March 2021 12: 44
            -2
            Hlavaty (Vladimir Glavaty)those who come to "take power" will solve exclusively their own problems

            And how would you like the Russian Federation that came to Little Russia to solve the problems of Ukraine? Why on earth?
            That is why very few people in Ukraine place any hopes on the Russian Federation.

            Well, for all the residents of Ukraine, it's not up to you ...
            Most are just trying to survive

            Well, before the Maidan they lived normally, they did not like the corrupt official and the thief Yatsynyuk, they chose other thieves, now they survive, who forced them to do the Maidan, the majority of Ukrainians are silent, pretending to be rags, well, it means they have such a fate to survive ...
            Ukrainians are just consumables

            It was necessary to think about this during the declaration of the ATO, and you only now woke up 7 years after the Maidan ...
            1. Hlavaty
              Hlavaty 14 March 2021 21: 29
              +1
              Quote: Lara Croft
              And how would you like the Russian Federation that came to Little Russia to solve the problems of Ukraine?

              Lara, if the Russian Federation comes to Little Russia, then Ukraine will no longer be there. It is obvious.
              It is not obvious WHAT exactly will be there. Will it be the same "gray zone" as the LDNR, Transnistria or Ossetia? Or will Little Russia be included in the Russian Federation?
              In the first case, you will again get something oligarchic-gangster with its own murky schemes and questions.
              In the second case, the Russian Federation will solve problems not Ukraine, but its citizens and territories.

              Quote: Lara Croft
              did not like the corrupt official and the thief Yatsynyuk, chose other thieves

              Lara, you somehow missed everything. The current power appeared as a result of a coup d'etat (or revolution). There is no point in discussing all subsequent elections.
              Quote: Lara Croft
              Ukrainians are just consumables
              It was necessary to think about this during the declaration of the ATO, and you only now woke up 7 years after the Maidan ...

              Who should have thought? Do you think ordinary Ukrainians had at least some chance to resist organized and armed nationalists and "dobrobats"? You have a poor idea of ​​what was happening in Ukraine then and what is happening now. Don't judge people indiscriminately.
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 14 March 2021 22: 10
                -2
                Hlavaty (Vladimir Glavaty) if the Russian Federation comes to Little Russia, then there will no longer be Ukraine. It is obvious.

                Where did you get it and to whom it is obvious? Remember with what territory Ukraine was part of the USSR and what territories it had before the transfer of Novorossiya to it from the RSFSR ...
                It is not obvious WHAT exactly will be there. Will it be the same "gray zone" as the LDNR, Transnistria or Ossetia?

                Was the Ukrainian SSR a gray zone?
                Or will Little Russia be included in the Russian Federation?

                God forbid, it will worthily take its place among the state-in-buffers - South Ossetia, Abkhazia ...
                In the second case, the Russian Federation will solve the problems not of Ukraine, but of its citizens.

                What makes you think that the accession of Little Russia to the Russian Federation will somehow solve my problems, the retirement age, whether it will decrease or the salary will increase, with a simultaneous decrease in the volume of work?
                There is no point in discussing all subsequent elections.

                Why? The people are responsible for whoever they have chosen. Or should I be responsible for it?
                Do you think ordinary Ukrainians had at least some chance to resist organized and armed nationalists and "dobrobats"? You have a poor idea of ​​what was happening in Ukraine then

                Well, in Crimea and Donbass, people have found the strength to somehow resist Bendera ..., t.s. Nobody gave guarantees of personal safety, and the citizens of Donbass deserved their freedom in battles ...
                Don't judge people indiscriminately.

                I’m not judging anyone. Everyone is free in their choice, they made neither that choice, where does the Russian Federation?
                1. Hlavaty
                  Hlavaty 14 March 2021 22: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: Lara Croft
                  What makes you think that the accession of Little Russia to the Russian Federation will somehow solve my problems

                  Are you the only citizen of the Russian Federation? Or do you think that people on the territory of the annexed Little Russia will not receive Russian citizenship?
                  1. Lara Croft
                    Lara Croft 14 March 2021 22: 41
                    -3
                    Quote: Hlavaty
                    Do you think that people on the territory of the annexed Little Russia will not receive Russian citizenship?

                    Why does the Russian Federation need citizens of Ukraine, does she have enough of her own pensioners? The Russian Federation needs the land of Little Russia, previously lost by Russia ...
                    1. Hlavaty
                      Hlavaty 15 March 2021 10: 09
                      -1
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      Why does the Russian Federation need citizens of Ukraine, does she have enough of her own pensioners? The Russian Federation needs the land of Little Russia, previously lost by Russia ...

                      That is, you only need land without the people who live there now?
                      Do you propose zanocidit people?
                      Are you going to use gas chambers with crematoria or just shoot them?
                      1. Lara Croft
                        Lara Croft 15 March 2021 11: 03
                        -2
                        Quote: Hlavaty
                        That is, you only need land without the people who live there now?
                        Do you propose zanocidit people?
                        Are you going to use gas chambers with crematoria or just shoot them?

                        And you are an entertainer.
                        Think for yourself why the Russian Federation needs the population of Ukraine, which, according to your own words:
                        Did ordinary Ukrainians have any chance to resist organized and armed nationalists and "dobrobats"?

                        Let them sit further away from the danger of being destroyed by those for whom they voted, but somewhere west of the Left-Bank Ukraine ...
                        Who already, if you yourself wrote earlier that Little Russia under Russia
                        there will be the same "gray zone" as the LDNR, Transnistria or Ossetia

                        You will be determined in your statements, otherwise you contradict yourself ...
                    2. didra
                      didra 21 March 2021 10: 38
                      -1
                      I am pleased to give you a minus!
        3. BMP-2
          BMP-2 14 March 2021 11: 53
          +2
          Nazism is never an internal problem of any state. It is based on the "dominance of the titular nation", but since having destroyed the "racially wrong" inside the country, he can no longer "dominate" anyone, he is always forced to switch to the manifestation of aggression outside in order to get such an opportunity and resources for further existence ... And at the expense of "to put things in order by themselves" - I wonder what the history of Europe would have been in the second half of the twentieth century, if Stalin reasoned about Nazi Germany?
        4. Machito
          Machito 14 March 2021 14: 48
          +2
          In the event of a war between Ukraine and Russia, the entire atoshny group of Ukrovermacht literally in one day will be in the boiler. This is even without taking into account the possible actions of the allied Belarus. The configuration of the border between the Russian Federation and Ukraine is such that Russia covers Eastern Ukraine from three sides, this is without taking into account Transnistria. If the allied Belarus decides to support Moscow in the war and bite off its piece of Polissya from Ukraine's pie, then the Belarusian army from Brest will close the Polish-Ukrainian border literally in a day and rush to Transnistria with a forced march. It is literally an hour's drive to Kiev from Belarus, and to Kharkov from the Russian Federation is also an hour. Well, what kind of war is this? Hyundai hoh. Hitler kaput.
          1. Hlavaty
            Hlavaty 14 March 2021 21: 31
            +3
            So, what is next? Well, you introduced the armies of the Russian Federation and Belarus. Well, they took Kiev. Well, the current rulers fled. So what? Will you annex the territory to the Russian Federation or will you give it back to some murky personalities?
          2. Black lotos
            Black lotos 15 March 2021 12: 23
            0
            Quote: Bearded
            If the allied Belarus decides to support Moscow in the war and bite off its piece of Polissya from Ukraine's pie, then the Belarusian army from Brest will close the Polish-Ukrainian border literally in a day and rush to Transnistria with a forced march

            Wow. In addition to the hatred of two peoples, they offer the hatred of three peoples.
            I heard right that all the Eastern Slavs will be pushed together here?
        5. Cheshire
          Cheshire 15 March 2021 07: 35
          0
          Yes, I completely agree with you, there was a metaphor describing the expectations of the population. And you still have to clean the ground, how regrettable it is request
      2. Sailor
        Sailor 14 March 2021 12: 38
        +9
        In 2014, it was necessary to restore order, and now they have to fight with the fraternal people, they received both sanctions and war, all because of the indecision of the GDP and Co.
        1. Hlavaty
          Hlavaty 14 March 2021 21: 32
          +5
          As Churchill said: "If a state chooses shame between war and shame, then it receives both war and shame."
          This is exactly the case.
    2. Clear
      Clear 14 March 2021 10: 08
      +4
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      What is the article about?

      The fact that the United States ran out of all chances, there is only one thing left - a fiasco lol
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 14 March 2021 11: 12
        +15
        Quote: Clear
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        What is the article about?

        The fact that the United States ran out of all chances, there is only one thing left - a fiasco lol

        No fiasco. They got what they wanted - Ukraine is an enemy of Russia and an ever-smoldering conflict. Russia is forced to incur losses by spending on the LPNR. Well, plus - sanctions. All this, let's add also Transnistria, Ossetia, Karabakh, hangs with weights on Russia's feet.
        1. Alex Nevs
          Alex Nevs 14 March 2021 12: 21
          +1
          And the great "provoke a provocation ... and the doctor is on the way" has not been canceled. Although everyone is waiting for the gun to fire - loaded and hanging on the wall.
        2. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 14 March 2021 12: 57
          +1
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          All this, let's add also Transnistria, Ossetia, Karabakh, hangs with weights on Russia's feet.

          I don’t think so. As for the PMR, yes, it will be "the second act of the play", the Republic of South Ossetia will not go anywhere from the Russian Federation, there are only 08.08.08 thousand people there before the war on 60/XNUMX/XNUMX. lived, she is on the border with the Russian Federation and no one will touch her, the WB of the Russian Federation is there, and its borders are guarded by the FSB PV.
          The NKR is still uncertain, in terms of its value the NKR is even more important than the RA, as it is on the way of important communications (mainly future) between Azerbaijan and Turkey.
          If the RA leaves the CSTO and the EAC, then the NKR will automatically fall under the tutelage of the Russian Federation ....
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 14 March 2021 15: 11
            +4
            Quote: Lara Croft
            I do not think.

            If you carefully read what I wrote, then you would understand that this is not what I mean at all. I mean that everything I have listed, plus Syria, all this hangs with weights on Russia's feet, preventing it from walking. And there is no getting away from it. They were imposed on us by our "partners". All these color revolutions on our borders, they are all designed for this - to slow down the development of Russia and make it incur unforeseen costs.
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 14 March 2021 15: 16
              0
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Syria, all this hangs with weights on Russia's feet, preventing it from going. And there is no getting away from it. They were imposed on us by our "partners". All these color revolutions on our borders, they are all designed for this - to slow down the development of Russia and make it incur unforeseen costs.

              I agree. And don't scream.
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 14 March 2021 18: 27
                +2
                Quote: Lara Croft
                I agree. And don't scream

                So I was whispering! laughing
        3. Clear
          Clear 14 March 2021 16: 22
          +5
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Ukraine is an enemy of Russia and an ever-smoldering conflict.

          With these conclusions, you are in a bit of a hurry. Not yet evening.
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 14 March 2021 18: 28
            +2
            Quote: Clear
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Ukraine is an enemy of Russia and an ever-smoldering conflict.

            With these conclusions, you are in a bit of a hurry. Not yet evening.

            Yes of course. Speaking - Ukraine, I meant the authorities of Ukraine. hi
        4. Grits
          Grits 14 March 2021 16: 41
          +2
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          All this, let's add also Transnistria, Ossetia, Karabakh, hangs with weights on Russia's feet.

          To prevent Pridnestrovie, Abkhazia and Ossetia from hanging with weights, it is necessary to hold referendums there and admit them to the Russian Federation as constituent entities of the Russian Federation. Yes, costs may increase. But these will be expenses for our citizens and our territory. With the adoption by us of decisions on the development of these territories.
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 14 March 2021 18: 30
            +3
            Quote: Gritsa

            To prevent Pridnestrovie, Abkhazia and Ossetia from hanging with weights, it is necessary to hold referendums there and admit to the Russian Federation on the basis of

            I agree. But on condition that locals should not be allowed to govern these territories. At least the first 10-15 years.
    3. Doccor18
      Doccor18 14 March 2021 11: 08
      +6
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      What is the article about? About pouring empty into empty? To be honest, I'm already tired of thinking about the coffee grounds.

      I absolutely agree.
      But what else is troubling is the increasing frequency of publications in the media on the topic "war between Russia and Ukraine", with the questions "who will win and how?" , "how many victims?", "what are the consequences of this war?" ...
      It seems that the electorate is being prepared, prepared for something bad ...
      And it's good if this is just another distraction of the people from pressing problems ...
      1. BMP-2
        BMP-2 14 March 2021 11: 54
        +3
        If you want peace, get ready for war (c)
    4. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty 14 March 2021 11: 24
      +3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      What is the article about? About pouring empty into empty?

      The article is not just about anything, it is also full of cliches that the author did not even try to comprehend.
      For example:
      In case of war, Russian troops are likely to reach the Dnieper,

      If only I could look at the map ... The largest Ukrainian cities are located on both banks of the Dnieper: Kiev, Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporozhye. The author wants to say that Russian troops will occupy only half of these cities? And will half of Kiev (Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye) be Ukrainian, and the other Russian?
      And, located on the other side of the Dnieper, the cities of Nikolaev, Kherson, Kirovograd, Odessa are not needed?
      The author stupidly, without hesitation, set the line "to the Dnieper". Why not "to the Southern Bug"? Or not "to the Dniester"? I would at least give some reasons to justify my choice ...
      1. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 14 March 2021 12: 25
        +2
        Well, you give a pancake. smile "The expression to DNEPR ..." is meant for the most tomatoes, excluding various "territories of banderlogy."
        1. Alexey Sommer
          Alexey Sommer 14 March 2021 12: 50
          +3
          Quote: Alex Nevs
          Well, you give a pancake. "The expression to DNEPR ..." is meant for the most tomatoes, excluding various "territories of banderlogy."

          For me, Russian is my native language.
          And when they write in Russian to the Dnieper, I understand that it is to the Dnieper, and not to Lvov and not even to Odessa.
          So you do not put a shadow on the fence.
          I was cut in the ear too
          to Dnipro
      2. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 14 March 2021 13: 14
        -1
        Hlavaty (Vladimir Glavaty) If only I could look at the map ... The largest Ukrainian cities are located on both banks of the Dnieper: Kiev, Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporozhye.

        The author apparently meant that Ukraine would lose all of the Left-Bank Ukraine, of course, it would have to make bridgeheads on the other bank of the Dnieper ... or subsequently, both sides would demarcate the future border passing along the Dnieper for 100 km in both directions ...
        If major hostilities begin and mobilization is announced in Ukraine, then bridges, waterworks and the above cities themselves cannot but suffer ...
        The Russian Federation will seek to move the front of hostilities as far away from itself as possible, by the way in the Russian Federation, partial mobilization of those liable for military service according to certain VUS can also be carried out ...
        And, located on the other side of the Dnieper, the cities of Nikolaev, Kherson, Kirovograd, Odessa are not needed?

        Needed, but the current RF is not the USSR with its 280 million people. population, the resources are not unlimited, these territories will most likely be lost for the Russian Federation forever, except for the regions (or part of them) adjacent to the Crimea ...
        There are so many states and state entities that hang on the Russian Federation, which are supported by the Russian Federation and from which the Russian Federation has only losses, and you want the Russian Federation to take on the maintenance of the whole Ukraine with an anti-Russian population ... you look then they will be billed for the occupation Ukraine, incl. once originally Russian lands ...
        1. Hlavaty
          Hlavaty 14 March 2021 21: 37
          0
          Quote: Lara Croft
          The author apparently meant

          If the article can be interpreted as Holy Scripture (in any direction), then the author clearly wrote hack.
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 14 March 2021 22: 12
            0
            Quote: Hlavaty
            If the article can be interpreted as Holy Scripture (in any direction), then the author clearly wrote hack.

            You are an angry member of the forum ....
            The man tried as best he could, he spent his personal time ...
    5. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 14 March 2021 14: 16
      +1
      What to expect from the USA
      More precisely: What to expect from Polonsky? - Nothing. request
    6. Normal ok
      Normal ok 14 March 2021 18: 18
      -2
      I will say more: the United States (and Ukraine as well) is most profitable for the LDNR to become part of the Russian Federation. And this is 1,5 million miners (they have nowhere to go), the unemployed (again, where to attach them) and pensioners (everyone knows about the situation with pensions). Plus the infrastructure destroyed by the war. It is more profitable to hang this on the Russian budget than on your own. The effect will be worse than some of the sanctions.
  2. Insurgent
    Insurgent 14 March 2021 10: 04
    +6
    American experts themselves admit that the likelihood of direct confrontation between Russia and Ukraine is rather doubtful


    With certain "IF" ...

    The first of them - IF the outskirts do not twitch on the Crimea;


    And the second, no less significant "IF" - IF the Outskirts do not start a full-scale operation in Donbass ...
    1. WHAT IS
      WHAT IS 14 March 2021 11: 03
      +10
      And the third "IF" - IF they are not given a command from NATO.
      1. Alexey Sommer
        Alexey Sommer 14 March 2021 13: 08
        +3
        Quote: WHAT IS
        And the third "IF" - IF they are not given a command from NATO.

        Will give the command, then what?
        Further, with a slight buildup inherent in Russia. (remember 2008) the defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, there are no options.
        Further there are options. Either as in Georgia we stop in front of Kiev, in my opinion it would be a mistake, or to Lviv and that's it. Let them buy gas at least through SP2, even though it’s already purple for us through the former Ukrainian pipe. Gas is needed in any case.
        And on the territory of the so-called ukraine, arrange for the population to massively reposition the dislocated brains into place.
        Some with a kind word, so to speak on the spot, and some with force in remote places. Vaughn .. The Arctic must be cleaned of debris. In short, working hands are needed.
        And all will be happy.
        ps
        I almost forgot.
        Before our forces enter Kiev, the insurgent "Kievites" will have to seize the embassies of the United States, Britain, Germany, France and all ambassadors and consuls to put on shovel handles, as they did with Gaddafi, so that another time it would not be appropriate to mock the Russians.
        I am already silent about active accomplices such as Ze and company.
  3. SaLaR
    SaLaR 14 March 2021 10: 05
    +4
    But the gypsy at the station guessed more precisely ............. good
  4. stels_07
    stels_07 14 March 2021 10: 07
    -2
    I doubt that Putin will start a war with Krajina because of the DPR, the maximum is the introduction of "peacekeepers." The United States does not need the DPR, either in Russia or in Ukraine. In the year of elections to the Duma + coronavirus, a large invasion of Ukrainian troops is not logical, and gradual progress is quite possible.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 14 March 2021 10: 14
      +2
      Quote: stels_07
      I doubt that Putin will start a war with Krajina because of the DPR; at most, this is the introduction of "peacekeepers".The United States does not need the entry of the DPR, neither into Russia, nor into Ukraine.


      Do you think that all the drinking in the South-East of ex-Ukraine is dictated by the United States, and Putin is only a tool in their hands to achieve their goals?
      1. stels_07
        stels_07 14 March 2021 11: 29
        +5
        Most of the debts of the deposit were bought up by the US funds, personnel of the special services, almost from the zero pass through Langley, the example of Lazarenko explained to Kiev what happens to disobedient
    2. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 14 March 2021 10: 25
      +6
      Where is the United States, and where is Russia and Ukraine close by.
      Sooner or later Russia will have to resolve the issue with the Bandera regime. While the Nazis are in power, there will be no rest in Ukraine.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 14 March 2021 10: 43
        +7
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Where is the United States, and where is Russia and Ukraine close by.

        When I told my little son about the Vietnam War and the role of the United States in it, his question - "And what were the Russians (USSR) doing there?", I took a globe and, using it, clearly showed where who is and who has more rights to interests in the region.

        My verdict is this : The United States shouldn't be caught in the zone of Russia's vital interests.
        1. Avior
          Avior 14 March 2021 11: 26
          -8
          Have you already talked about Cuba?
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 14 March 2021 11: 30
            +11
            Quote: Avior
            Have you already talked about Cuba?

            Yes, he told me a long time ago. And do not flirt, as if you had no idea that the "Cuban missile crisis" was a continuation of the deployment of missiles by the Americans in Turkey.

            You turn out to be not only a banderophile, but also an inveterate anti-Soviet ...
            1. Alex Nevs
              Alex Nevs 14 March 2021 12: 28
              +1
              Do not be crucified in front of the "inverted worldview" they have white-black and vice versa. They were brought up like that, changing sex back and forth. It is not clear who they are.
            2. Avior
              Avior 14 March 2021 13: 34
              -2
              Did I write about the crisis?
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 14 March 2021 13: 50
                +3
                Quote: Avior
                Did I write about the crisis?

                And what about then?
                About how Cuba helped the Outskirts free of charge in the treatment and rehabilitation of children affected by Chernobyl and the children of liquidators, and she was even able to spoil relations with Cubans in this, following the lead of the United States?
            3. Avior
              Avior 14 March 2021 13: 48
              -2
              I took a globe and, using it, clearly showed where who is and who has more rights to interests in the region.

              My verdict is this: the United States shouldn't be caught in the zone of Russia's vital interests.

              What did you write about this in relation to Cuba?
              Does your rule apply to Cuba or only to Vietnam?
              And then, I see, you have already hung labels ...
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 14 March 2021 13: 52
                +3
                Quote: Avior
                What did you write about this in relation to Cuba?
                Does your rule apply to Cuba or only to Vietnam?
                And then, I see, you have already hung labels ...

                Are you reading information with one part of your brain and wrapping fish in the other?
                1. Avior
                  Avior 14 March 2021 15: 32
                  -1
                  I am not, what can not be said about you
                  You instilled in the child an openly imperialist principle of foreign policy about the sphere of vital interests, but you declared that I was an anti-Soviet.
                  I took a globe and on it clearly showed where who is

                  So I wondered what you said to him when Cuba was shown on the globe.
                  Or did you explain to your child that there are different rules for each case?
                  Then it's clear....
    3. samarin1969
      samarin1969 14 March 2021 10: 27
      -4
      Quote: stels_07
      I doubt that Putin will start a war with the Krajina because of the DPR, the maximum is the introduction of "peacekeepers" ... a large invasion of the Ukrainian troops is not logical, but a gradual advance is quite possible.

      The collective "Putin" of the Russian Federation is really not interested in a large-scale war and its consequences. There has not yet been any information about US aviation in eastern Ukraine. Without it, there will be no NATO intervention. Therefore, a major war is unlikely. But their response "Debaltsevo" APU will be able to hold. This will raise their "spirits" and finally bury the "Minsk-1,2". Such a "half-offensive" will allow the Kremlin to limit itself to "half-negotiations" again.
      1. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 14 March 2021 12: 29
        +2
        the waltzman with the Vyaliky boilers was already doing his own thing.
      2. dauria
        dauria 14 March 2021 19: 49
        +1
        Such a "half-offensive" will allow the Kremlin to limit itself to "half-negotiations" again.


        Perhaps you are right. A very likely option.
  5. avia12005
    avia12005 14 March 2021 10: 11
    +4
    That is, it follows that the further smoldering conflict in Donbass is in the interests of the United States? Then the Kremlin is Biden's agent ???
    1. stels_07
      stels_07 14 March 2021 11: 41
      -1
      In Minsk, it is written in dark and white that the DPR is Ukraine, if Kiev wanted or could, then everything was over long ago.
  6. Avior
    Avior 14 March 2021 10: 12
    -1
    They began to promote the theme of the war in Ukraine. This is not good: ((
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 14 March 2021 10: 14
      +5
      Quote: Avior
      They began to promote the topic of the war in Ukraine

      What do you mean started? Ukraine has been "at war with Russia" for 7 years already ...
      1. Avior
        Avior 14 March 2021 10: 22
        +2
        This topic has become actively promoted in the media lately.
        And this is a bad omen: ((
        1. Black lotos
          Black lotos 15 March 2021 12: 31
          0
          Quote: Avior
          This topic has become actively promoted in the media lately.
          And this is a bad omen: ((

          active throughout the Runet, but there is little reaction. What I saw on different resources is very different from the situation in 2014/15/16/17 ...
          refrigerator or something, or tired of such HPP ..
          Well, the Russians do not want such HPP.
          And then there is a part of Ukraine, here are Russians, here are not Russians, but Ukrainians, here fraternal, here are fascists, here are lazy, but here they are needed. Immediately, the Nazis, right there, fuel is cheaper for everyone, right there MC2, right there a civil war, right there Kiev in 3 days, there and then an offensive every day, immediately pick up everything along the Dnieper, along Lviv across London ..
          Honestly --- situational HSP for an absolute deterioration of the positions of Ukraine, the Russian Federation, and most of all people waiting for this HSP - PMR, LDNR, etc.
          forever waiting for the "future".
          Do people need this? Does it matter from nationality?
    2. Profiler
      Profiler 14 March 2021 10: 32
      +2
      Quote: Avior
      They began to promote the theme of the war in Ukraine. This is not good: ((

      Not good for the Outskirts, and its current openly Nazi government, which came to it in the wake of the coup and unleashed a war against Donbass yes

      In addition, all the "promotion" is ours, so far purely rhetorical response to Kiev's steps to escalate the conflict restrained by the Minsk agreements.

      Who is to blame for this, Russia again?
      1. Lionnvrsk
        Lionnvrsk 14 March 2021 11: 03
        +3
        Quote: Profiler
        Not good for the Outskirts

        No good for anyone! hi
  7. Your stranger
    Your stranger 14 March 2021 10: 14
    -8
    Last year in the eu, electric cars and hybrids accounted for 10 percent of sales,
    In 5 years, such sales will be at least 30 percent,
    By the price and volume of oil purchases, the EU and the US will put pressure on the decisions they need
    1. Altona
      Altona 14 March 2021 10: 21
      +8
      Quote: Stranger
      Last year in the eu, electric cars and hybrids accounted for 10 percent of sales,
      In 5 years, such sales will be at least 30 percent

      -----------------------------
      The EU actually has a program to reach 100% of its electric vehicle fleet by 2030. I will not judge the realism, economy and usual practicality of this program, since it is obvious that all this is being pushed by the adherents of "global warming" (although I judge about "global warming" by the example of this winter, which is not over yet).
      1. Your stranger
        Your stranger 14 March 2021 11: 35
        -5
        China has already launched an electric car for under $ 5000. Created by SAIC-GM, a joint venture between General Motors and China's SAIC Motor, it is called the Wuling Hong Guang Mini EV, and with a price tag of only 28 Yuan ($ 800), it is one of the cheapest EVs in the world.

        Renault begins selling its most affordable electric vehicle in the European Union - the subcompact crossover Dacia Spring Electric (the Romanian brand Dacia is part of the French concern). The finished car is supplied from China, where its production is carried out in parallel under four brands - in addition to Dacia (for Europe), these are Renault, Venucia and Dongfeng. 

        In France, Spring Electric costs from 12 403 euros (= 1 088 rubles), taking into account the subsidy for the purchase of an electric car, which is 400% of the original cost of the car. Orders for Spring Electric will begin accepting on March 27, with live sales starting a bit later. A two-seater cargo version of this model is due out in 20.

        Electrocross will be available in two trim levels: Comfort and Comfort Plus. The basic one includes a media system with a tiny 3,5-inch screen and Bluetooth support, air conditioning and USB ports for charging gadgets, two airbags, an automatic emergency braking system, and power windows.

        The Dacia Spring Electric is an EU-adapted and renamed modification of the Renault City K-ZE electric car, which the concern has been producing and selling in China since 2019. The K-ZE itself is unified in chassis and bodywork with the Kwid gasoline ultra-budget crossover, which has been produced for some developing countries since 2015.

        The Dacia Spring Electric is 3734 mm long, 1770 mm wide, and 1516 mm high. The wheelbase is 2423 mm. The ground clearance is 150 mm. The novelty is smaller in size than the Granta hatchback, but its interior is nevertheless designed for five.

        The manufacturer installed a 33 kW (45 hp) electric motor that powers a 26,8 kWh battery. The cruising range on a single charge reaches 225 km by WLTP in the combined cycle and 295 km in the city. The declared maximum speed is 125 km / h. 

        Read completely: https://news.drom.ru/Renault-83119.html
        Drom.ru - All-Russian automobile portal
    2. Avior
      Avior 14 March 2021 10: 26
      0
      If the percentage of electric vehicles crosses a certain threshold, sufficient to create an infrastructure comparable to an internal combustion engine, then the process will go on like an avalanche.
    3. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 14 March 2021 11: 06
      +7
      Quote: Stranger
      electric cars and hybrids

      Well, hybrids they run on the same gasoline and work.
      But the electric somewhere needs to take this electricity. It does not appear in the outlet by itself. Especially if coal and nuclear power plants are closed. Gas is our truncated.
      1. Your stranger
        Your stranger 14 March 2021 11: 32
        -7
        Sun, wind, and much more
      2. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 14 March 2021 12: 31
        +1
        Selling gas from the belly is not expensive (compared of course).
    4. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 14 March 2021 12: 30
      0
      well, stupidity. Stupidity. Are you limited in access to info? or how?
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 14 March 2021 10: 16
    +5
    "If tomorrow is a war ...", then definitely, the SP-2 will have to be completed, or else to throw in a third thread .. smile "Who needs it, no one needs it, who needs it, no one needs it."
  9. Pastor
    Pastor 14 March 2021 10: 27
    0
    In any war, the one who is on the sidelines wins. China will definitely win here. We will remove the United States from the ports on the Black Sea, they will hit us economically with their entire shoble. China will buy cheap resources from us.
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 14 March 2021 12: 31
      -1
      You are in Analytegi nnado. laughing
      1. Pastor
        Pastor 14 March 2021 14: 21
        0
        Where I need I will figure it out on my own. The war has never been profitable for the parties to the conflict. Third parties always won. Now Donbass is a buffer zone with Ukraine and all attention is not to the Crimea, but the LDNR. If we get involved, we'll become a party to the conflict. Do we need it?
  10. apro
    apro 14 March 2021 10: 35
    -1
    Something for the war often talked about ... why would it be a check of reaction, we take the gun into the trenches, and according to preferences, to Moscow, to Kiev, to Kiev ...
    1. Gato
      Gato 14 March 2021 10: 43
      +5
      Where are the trenches on the Seychelles? I go there.
      1. apro
        apro 14 March 2021 10: 47
        +1
        Quote: Gato
        Where are the trenches on the Seychelles? I go there.

        Thanks. Amused ...
        1. Gato
          Gato 14 March 2021 10: 57
          +5
          Seriously though, the theme of war is really pedaling. On VO, at least a third of the articles concern forelocked opponents. But my personal opinion is that all this spring exacerbation is intended for internal Ukrainian use and will end in a quiet bunch of trousers.
          1. apro
            apro 14 March 2021 11: 00
            +1
            Quote: Gato
            will end with a quiet bunch of trousers.

            And in trousers ...
            1. Gato
              Gato 14 March 2021 11: 02
              +1
              Well, what a hello - this is the answer laughing
              1. apro
                apro 14 March 2021 11: 03
                -3
                Quote: Gato
                Well, what a hello - this is the answer laughing

                Both sides of each other are standing.
          2. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 14 March 2021 11: 25
            +1
            Quote: Gato
            But my personal opinion is that all this spring exacerbation is intended for internal Ukrainian use and will end in a quiet bunch of trousers.

            Maybe so, maybe not. This option is also possible - Yanelokh wants to ditch Minsk-2. To do this, he needs to create a completely different situation in Donbass. How? Yes, just carry out a small victorious operation. He hopes he can do it. And I strongly doubt it. Again ogrebet in full. But in this case, the situation will change, which gives him hope for Minsk-3. And, the fool with a dummy gets richer, he hopes that Minsk-3 will be in his favor.
            We understand that all this is fortune-telling even without coffee grounds.
            1. Gato
              Gato 14 March 2021 11: 35
              +2
              Maybe so, maybe not.

              Well, yes, like the likelihood of meeting a dinosaur on the way to the bakery. But it seems to me that you are exaggerating the independence of Vaseline. Chess is played by chess players, not figures. In what I agree with the author of the article - the states are afraid to give the go-ahead for a full-scale conflict precisely because of its unpredictable consequences.
            2. BMP-2
              BMP-2 14 March 2021 12: 01
              +1
              Yaneloch does not decide anything on his own: what they say to him, he does. Therefore, his personal desires can be ignored - they are not interesting to anyone.
              1. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 14 March 2021 12: 29
                0
                But he tasted power. He is already going to be nominated for a second term.
          3. Avior
            Avior 14 March 2021 12: 29
            -1
            Is it pedaling to VO for domestic consumption?
            1. Gato
              Gato 14 March 2021 15: 21
              -1
              Is it pedaling to VO for domestic consumption?

              "We will dismiss this remark from the audience as unorganized" (C)
              Although, your version is not so absurd, judging by the number of onanimous minusers in almost any article about Ukraine.
            2. Black lotos
              Black lotos 15 March 2021 12: 36
              0
              Quote: Avior
              Is it pedaling to VO for domestic consumption?

              It is quite possible to take such an article (or better, there is Staver about the fascists with a bunch of propaganda words) - and link to it. And distribute in Ukraine.
              Like, look at how they are promoting and what plans and how they prepare the population with information and what they want.
              And now it is already possible to promote inside Ukraine.
              Everything in the world is interconnected. But in this moment, which year, it is clear that the promotion here and there, as if the authorities are giving a signal to their media to act simultaneously.
              IT'S PROFITABLE. If alarmism sells well, better than good news, then war is generally priceless. Better yet, the fear of a future war.
  11. Hagalaz
    Hagalaz 14 March 2021 10: 42
    +1
    When and if the Americans are going to fight against us, then they will need cannon fodder in the form of Ukraine, Georgia and other Baltic states. In the case under discussion, there is not a small chance of losing this long "manufactured tool". So, in my personal opinion, there will be no go-ahead for Ukraine to go to war.
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  13. rocket757
    rocket757 14 March 2021 11: 32
    +3
    Chance or fiasco for the United States: on the likelihood of war between Russia and Ukraine

    Go get what the minke whales have in their heads ... the skakuasa's heads. it is useless to look for something.
    If Russia crushes Ukraine and takes control

    Problems ... on the one hand, not a problem, but then a big ge / M \ oor on all our heads.
  14. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 14 March 2021 11: 40
    +4
    Between "no help" and "third world" there is a huge gray area in which, for example, you can help unofficially, train the military and special forces, supply modern equipment and devices that are not lethal weapons, and help intelligence information on the information front. And so on .. With this approach, the fact that we will once again threaten no one knows who and for what with our nuclear club will most likely play against us and contribute to the consolidation of sanctions pressure and further concessions on the information front.
    So I would not be so sure that the United States will not get into this mess if it starts. And that they only have bad moves there - they have enough moves and time is playing on their side at the moment.
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 14 March 2021 12: 36
      -1
      Where next then? Your "ammo depleted and sold". "You" have only one way - through repentance to bow. No other is given. no Nata and no mattress will help, absolutely .... Well, there is another way - to lose everything.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 14 March 2021 13: 28
        0
        It is not entirely clear which side you meant by "you" - but the current situation, in my opinion, is far from a stalemate for Ukraine. In my opinion, it is completely unnecessary on the part of Ukraine to pay attention to the unrecognized republics now - the times when "stupidly the territory" was decided for the wealth and prosperity of the state has sunk into oblivion, now successful from unsuccessful states are distinguished by the maturity of the legislative base / good investment climate / the presence of a relatively professional labor force. strengths of all levels. A state consistently moving in the direction of these three vectors is doomed to success. To hammer for a thoroughly ravaged territory, on which there is a mass of the population ideologically and culturally unacceptable to your values, is such a thing, to be honest. If Ukraine wins for the SE, it will not become richer, on the contrary, all this will have to be restored, these people will have to pay pensions and some kind of benefits - this is objectively a rather depressed region, with not the best ecology, etc. - from the point of view of industrial capacities, it is also far from priority, in other words, with the exception of the question of "prestige and the principle" there are no obvious benefits from these "conquests". We will leave the equations outside the brackets - there are also big benefits, but the seizure of Crimea is associated with qualitatively large problems (at the moment), many times outweighing the potential benefits from this event.
        It should be understood that, in contrast to the LPNR, in Crimea, due to the geographical and infrastructural features, people will live completely for themselves under any government and any pressure - a good climate, ecology, a stable influx of funds from tourism and all the delights of the Black Sea region. In the case of infusions, life in Crimea will qualitatively increase, in the case of non-infusions, life in Crimea will be at a good-acceptable level for a long time, so in the matter of "change of opinion" of Crimeans over time, I would bet that if this happens, for this, the Russian Federation needs a very long time and negatively to "try" over this, and in Ukraine, on the contrary, to raise the neighboring regions to a standard of living that is absolutely unthinkable today.
        And vice versa - LDNR will not show satisfactory dynamics over time in the case of NOT injections, because I have already mentioned that this is a depressed region, not attractive for tourism, with inconvenient borders, poor ecology, etc. If you cancel the legal guarantees for residents of the unrecognized republics, but at the same time show considerable flexibility in terms of the blockade and the sanctions regime, over time, the duality of this situation will play into the hands of Ukraine, because it will be able to buy everything that is important to the region for mere pennies and at the same time not spend money on social networks, etc. In the case of minimal infusions into the regions adjacent to the LPNR, as well as the minimum establishment of order at the legislative and legal level within the state itself, not much time will pass and the inhabitants of the LPR will begin to experience all the delights of an increasing cultural and economic trim, and everything that is called, will inevitably return to square one - in the most convenient form for Ukraine. Otherwise, the phenomenon of an outflow of minds and hands will grow, in response to which the local authorities will tighten the screws more and more - and this process will be further accelerated.
        Whether we like it or not, this is a natural process, patriotism always loses out to cultural and economic differentiation in the face of obvious inequality of resources and opportunities.
        As VVP already said, we have no plans to join the LPNR, therefore, these republics remain in a kind of gray legal, economic and defense field, which sharply lose OVER TIME relative to any state (even modern Ukraine) in terms of the dynamics of living standards. I am leading my thought to the fact that IMHO Ukraine is doing crap trying to take all this by force - this fruit will naturally fall into their hands, if they need it at all. It is necessary to find another point of application of efforts and the situation will resolve itself.
  15. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 14 March 2021 11: 51
    +1
    If the 150th division near Rostov-on-Don starts the engine, I won’t give a penny for Ukraine, it’s better to let them decide their fate, looking with goodness at Russia !!!
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 14 March 2021 12: 37
      +2
      I think this (150 divs) will not be needed at all. With modern means.
  16. Dimide
    Dimide 14 March 2021 12: 27
    -1
    Smiled.
    The author is embarrassed to ask where is the confidence in the unconditional support of the Russian-speaking population of the South-East?
    I had to think in 14, now the picture is different and it won't be easy
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  17. xorek
    xorek 14 March 2021 12: 33
    +1
    Well, anyway, this conflict will happen ... Another question is how Russia will respond ..?
    If he does not say anything, then we are digging trenches in Russia, he will answer, we volunteer to the Donbass. and we take Kiev, as it should be in five days! ... Who likes men like?
  18. sleeve
    sleeve 14 March 2021 12: 41
    +1
    A more realistic scenario was voiced. If I am not mistaken, then R. Ishchenko. Under the guise of aggravation, bring NATO troops to Ukraine "to preserve the territorial integrity of a special partner." Thus, the "conflict dump" near the borders of Russia will be mothballed. Under such a "cover", healthy forces simply cannot come to power. Knowing about the real non-participation of Russia in the conflict in Donbas, it will be heated. We will be deprived of the opportunity to "solve the problem" in the event of an exacerbation. And it will be hard to cover for the Donetsk people.
    1. dauria
      dauria 14 March 2021 20: 35
      +1
      .
      Under the guise of aggravation to send NATO troops to Ukraine


      Something too boldly boldly cross the "red line". How much is NATO troops? Company, battalion, division, army? And where is the confidence that our "powers that be" will silently swallow? I understand that money, children, foreign housing do not help to protect the interests of Russia. But! This will immediately become a question of their "reign" in that very Russia.
      In general, only intelligence can give an answer to what is going on there. Movement and concentration of troops, equipment, cargo. One "Forward to Ukraine" is not enough. Perhaps it will be enough to enter the "full" combat readiness level for all RF Armed Forces. Will act as a cold shower for everyone. First of all, the puppeteers.
  19. iouris
    iouris 14 March 2021 13: 18
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    The statistical probability of a war between is practically zero. And there were already about a dozen attempts.
  20. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 14 March 2021 13: 27
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    Quote: Hagalaz
    When and if the Americans are going to fight against us, then they will need cannon fodder in the form of Ukraine, Georgia and other Baltic states. In the case under discussion, there is not a small chance of losing this "manufactured tool" for a long time.

    These countries are followed by the "second echelon" of countries - Turkey, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Czech Republic, Poland ....
    The Russian Federation may not have enough strength for the "third echelon" of the old NATO countries, and this is what it counts on ....
  21. Ilya Aksyonov
    Ilya Aksyonov 14 March 2021 14: 31
    +1
    Having received Russian citizenship, Ukrainians automatically turn Ukraine into Russia upon the fact of their stay in Ukraine.
    Now in Donbass half a million have become citizens of Russia! And by the end of this year, almost the entire Donbass will become Russian!
    That's it!
    The war is over!
  22. Ilya Aksyonov
    Ilya Aksyonov 14 March 2021 14: 32
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    During the first two days, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will try to break the resistance of the DPR and LPR, and over the next week, Russian troops will reach Lviv and Ukraine, as a state will not, because Russia will protect Russian citizens, wherever and however you want.
    For everything from ten days to two weeks.
    Well, and then sanctions, howls and hysterics of the EU and the US, but none of them will dare to take military action.
    Nord Stream 2 will be frozen until next winter, when frosts hit. And then they will tearfully ask to complete it, and it seems that the United States will fall apart into separate states by the end of this year.
    All Ukrainian nationalists are hanged on poles by neighbors in the house, along the entrance and down the street during the first days even before the arrival of the Russian army, as in their time all traitors and enemies were hanged in Odessa.
    At the first transitional stage, power in Ukraine will be transferred to the opposition headed by Medvedchuk, and then elections and referendums will be held on joining Russia in the regions of Ukraine.
  23. Alsur
    Alsur 14 March 2021 15: 17
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

    Sometime in 2014, I wrote that the war in Donbass is a modern, combined Stalingrad-Kursk battle in significance. I repeat this now.

    This is such a great exaggeration that I cannot agree with it. The Battle of Stalingrad, along with the defense of Moscow, is a battle for the very existence of the Russian state. Donbass is rather a national idea of ​​Russia, collecting land, but the very existence of the Russian state is out of the question. Donbass and former Ukraine, in my heart.
  24. Alsur
    Alsur 14 March 2021 15: 29
    +1
    Quote: Sailor
    In 2014, it was necessary to restore order, and now they have to fight with the fraternal people, they received both sanctions and war, all because of the indecision of the GDP and Co.

    What then, what now, this war with the Slavs, albeit intoxicated. Nothing has changed during this time.
  25. Alsur
    Alsur 14 March 2021 15: 46
    +1
    Quote: Dimid
    Smiled.
    The author is embarrassed to ask where is the confidence in the unconditional support of the Russian-speaking population of the South-East?
    I had to think in 14, now the picture is different and it won't be easy

    You shouldn't think so, every year people in Ukraine see their sight about the events on the Maidan, but they are no longer capable of protest. It's funny, under the tyrant Yanukovych they were capable, but under the democracy that came to power they were no longer capable. Democracy will not allow anyone to behave as with Yanukovych.
  26. evgen1221
    evgen1221 14 March 2021 16: 20
    +1
    Why would it be bad for the states? In many ways, this will be a plus for them and for many many years of political verbiage and cynical squeezing from the Russian Federation of everything they can.
  27. 123456789
    123456789 14 March 2021 16: 52
    +2
    Quote: figvam
    Quote: Insurgent
    Let it happen, unpleasant for them

    Quite right, they said so - "a difficult day for the Ukrainian society." And yes I was mistaken, not today, but tomorrow.

    Monday is a tough day, Tuesday is tense too.
    The day with the name Wednesday lasts a long time, as always.
    And on Thursday everything is as usual - not a second of personal life.
    I'll be on Friday again about Saturday I dream. laughing
  28. Tektor
    Tektor 14 March 2021 22: 25
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    The article does not say that the states simply want to stop SP-2. Why do the Americans need to demonstrate Russia's participation in the conflict in Donbass? Those. states want Ze to provoke the entry of the Russian army into Svidonuta territory. Then Ze should cry out "Cut!" and call NATO "peacekeepers". Bingo! NATO will occupy the entire territory of the Pig Without Lard. And he will cry about the stop of the SP-2.
  29. garik77
    garik77 14 March 2021 22: 30
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    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    What is the article about? About pouring empty into empty? To be honest, I'm already tired of thinking about the coffee grounds.

    I agree. And so it is clear that NATO will not go to war for the xoxlov under any circumstances, but will simply fuel the conflict so that it slowly smolders.
  30. Alt 22
    Alt 22 16 March 2021 10: 53
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    If Russia defeats Ukraine and establishes control over most of its territories, installing a friendly or even neutral government in Kiev, then all the many years of US efforts to withdraw Ukraine from Russian influence will be in vain.
    - if a.

    Under Putin, the Karabakh scenario is much more likely - when the state will watch, express concern, when thousands of volunteers go to die, but the authorities will chew snot like that ...
    I sincerely hope that I am wrong.
  31. Azzzwer
    Azzzwer 16 March 2021 20: 27
    0
    Hats, gentlemen, hats! Don't forget to prepare hats! Hats, the first weapon!
  32. Oleg352
    Oleg352 17 March 2021 00: 36
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    Think small. By your logic, when Russia defeats Ukraine, the Americans will be hysterical and curse themselves for having done something stupid. Naive, isn't it?
    The 3rd world war is on the doorstep and the main figures will be the United States and Russia, although not so clearly.
    So China and Pakistan are seizing India. The Saudi-Israel-Turkey-Oman coalition (and several other Arab countries) attack Iran.
    Ukraine, under the pretext of liberating the LPR and DPR, attacks Russia, along with it - Georgia, Armenia, Moldova, the Baltic states, then, when Russia captures them all - Poland and Turkey, after the capture of Turkey and Poland, Russia declares war on Germany and almost all other European NATO countries. In parallel, previously friendly China attacks Russia in Siberia, and Japan attacks the Far East.
    When Russia begins to choke on the war, the United States will launch a massive nuclear strike to completely defeat Russia.
    1. sentaniel
      sentaniel 19 March 2021 13: 00
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      What a wild fantasy you have. Do you want to tell another scenario? Based on over 50 prophecies by US authors. China attacks Taiwan, the US sends a fleet. An EMP thermonuclear special warhead strike and a preemptive thermonuclear strike from a nuclear submarine are delivered to the United States. The finish. And there will be no war in Europe.
    2. Victor Kochurov
      Victor Kochurov 23 March 2021 03: 16
      +1
      Quote: Oleg352

      When Russia begins to choke on the war, the United States will launch a massive nuclear strike to completely defeat Russia.

      ... And Russia strikes with a "dead hand" with the Poseidons. This is where the existence of human civilization ends and the era of rats and cockroaches begins. So what?
  33. Victor Kochurov
    Victor Kochurov 23 March 2021 03: 08
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    Yandex and Google ads in the Comments header are made in blocky colors. Is this an allusion to the position of the VO editorial board?
  34. Lister
    Lister 29 March 2021 17: 57
    +10
    on the likelihood of war between Russia and Ukraine

    I think there will be no war between Russia and Ukraine. If Kiev goes to war with Donbass, Russia will help with weapons and the war will end there.