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The second letter from the "red zone"

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Solid rear


With a feeling of deep satisfaction (without humor) I read the comments to my first letter.


Firstly, because the stated thoughts really crossed my mind in the 9th ward of the 10th infectious diseases hospital in Moscow. And I was in a hurry, while I was alive, to pass them on to people.

The entrance to the red zone in the city clinical hospital № 15 named. Olga Filatova in Moscow during the COVID-19 pandemic. (Press service of the Mayor and the Moscow Government, Denis Grishkin)

Secondly, I am convinced that the opinion of our great scientist V.I. Vernadsky. In his Philosophical Thoughts of a Naturalist, he writes:

“There is one fundamental phenomenon that defines scientific thought and distinguishes scientific results and scientific conclusions clearly and simply from the statements of philosophy and religion, - this is the general validity of scientific conclusions, scientific statements, concepts, conclusions ...

Such facts and such generalizations, if created at times by philosophy, religion, life experience or social common sense and tradition, cannot be proved by them as such.

Neither philosophy, nor religion, nor common sense can establish them with the degree of certainty that science gives.

Their facts, their conclusions and conclusions must be tested on the touchstone of scientific knowledge. "

Therefore, as soon as I got rid of the obligatory scientific and pedagogical load and was able to use my time, I immediately started working on the Internet in order to convey to people my many years of experience and understand what others think.

After all, people have an interesting property: to invent fairy tales and believe in them. Especially nowadays.

For example, what does Potanin own? They will tell me that it is Norilsk. And I will answer that it’s just a bunch of pieces of paper that Norilsk is his.

But if private property is sacred and inviolable, then where did the property of 40 million depositors of vouchers in CHIFs go, about which Gaidar and Chubais almost mockingly write (see their book “Forks stories")?

After all, you can simply abolish the legislation that is alien to our people on shares as "securities" and deprive their owners of the right to property, receive income and appoint managers.

In the next letter I will try to tell about the experience of overcoming the crisis in the last century on the basis of American democracy, which is making good use of the current American fascism at the expense of representatives of the Russian so-called "oligarchy", persons with reduced national responsibility.

But what about people's thoughts is another matter.

Again, in my opinion, Vernadsky said it best of all:

“I think that popular, mass life is something special, strong, powerful.

The mass of the people has a certain ability to develop certain knowledge, to understand phenomena - it, as a whole and living thing, has its own wonderful and powerful poetry, its own laws, customs and its own knowledge;

I think she has another quality - that she gives happiness to individuals who live inseparably with her.

I cannot precisely define and even explain well to myself why happiness is achieved by this, why there is undoubtedly a feeling of connection and some kind of sense of purpose among people who are more or less imbued with popular, mass life. "
(Ibid, p. 398).

I confess, that is why I tried to collect and generalize the experience and knowledge that I have accumulated over 90 years of my difficult life.

Before my illness, I even managed to formulate a plan and the approximate title of the work: “Treachery. The money is power and the power of money. "

The word treachery in modern dictionaries is identified with cunning, deceit and other types of bad behavior. But maybe this word should be understood literally: a breakdown of faith?

Indeed, a person cannot exist without faith. It is not necessarily a religion like belief in God. It can be faith in fate, in people, in one's own or in a common bright future.

Faith is always combined with trust. And if trust is lost, then faith also breaks down, and with it the individual, family, society, state.

Glorious man. It was not for nothing that Maxim Gorky proclaimed that a person sounds proudly. But, to our deep regret, not all people value their dignity, the honor of being man.

And it’s scary when on the way of a human being vile people make honest people scoundrels. And honest ones honestly believe that scoundrels can be honest. Having lied once - who will believe you?

Having already reached the section on the inadmissibility of giving power to the so-called "political parties", which the British invented to cover up corruption and nepotism, he fell ill. And already in the "red zone" I began to think that life in fact could be different from what a person thinks.

I am not a big supporter of the current government. And in many ways I agree with her critics.

But then I remembered how last year, when no one knew about the risks of a new threat, the president entered the “red zone”. And then he stopped the collapse of the healthcare system. It became clear to me that then, at the risk of his life, he acted as an officer and a citizen.

And, whatever you want, a person who has saved the country and is fighting for the health of the people needs our trust and our help.

In the ward, I decided to write letters stating that apart from the army, fleet, weapons and the military-industrial complex, the country needs solid rears.

Education and upbringing


The main thing (about this was in the first letter) is that a strong system of education and upbringing of future generations is needed. The Western "Bologna" system must be abandoned immediately: it educates slaves inside the country and creates conveniences for future fugitives from the country. We need future generations of comprehensively developed people who own the assets of Russian and world culture to such an extent that it will be impossible to deceive and buy them for thirty pieces of silver.

The last head of the USSR government before the coup d'etat of 1954-1957 warned us:

“Today, under the guise of innovation in musical art, a formalistic direction is trying to break through in Soviet music, and abstract painting in artistic creation ...

This is ... a misunderstanding of the role in ideological sabotage against our country and especially the young people played by these phenomena ... How many people came during the war to be inspired for heroic deeds at the monument to Minin and Pozharsky on Red Square! And what can be inspired by a pile of rusty iron, presented by "innovators" from sculpture as a work of art? What can abstract paintings by artists inspire?

This is the reason why modern American financial magnates, promoting modernism, pay fabulous fees for such "works", which the great masters of realistic art never dreamed of.

There is also a class background to the so-called Western popular music, the so-called formalistic direction. This kind of music, if I may say so, is created on the rhythms borrowed from the sects of the "shakers", whose "dances", driving people to ecstasy, turn them into uncontrollable animals capable of the most wild actions.

This kind of rhythms are created with the participation of psychiatrists, are built in such a way as to affect the subcortex of the brain, on the human psyche. This is a kind of musical addiction, falling under the influence of which a person can no longer think about any bright ideals, turns into cattle ...

Music is at war too.

In 1944, I happened to read a manual written by an English intelligence officer, which was entitled:

"How to use formalistic music to decompose enemy troops."

Speaking about the further development of Soviet literature and art, one cannot but take into account that they are developing under conditions of a secret war unprecedented in history, which today the world imperialist circles have unleashed against our country, including in the field of literature and art. Foreign agents in our country have been tasked with infiltrating the Soviet cultural authorities, seizing the editorial offices of newspapers and magazines, exerting a decisive influence on the repertoire policy of theater and cinema, on the publication of fiction ...

Foreign agents have been tasked with promoting pessimism, all kinds of decadence and moral decay in works of literature and art.

One zealous American senator said:

"If we could show our horror films in Bolshevik Russia, we would surely disrupt communist construction for them."

No wonder Leo Tolstoy said that literature and art are the most powerful forms of suggestion. "
(Stalin. Works. Vol. 16).

Health care system


The second problem of creating a solid rear is the healthcare system.

I confess that I had episodic encounters with this important area of ​​human life, but quite serious - and not as a patient.

In my youth, I happened to live in the courtyard of a Moscow school, turned into a hospital.

Then the older brother, after being wounded at Stalingrad, was overtaken by a fragment of a German mine on the Kursk Bulge, which passed next to the spinal cord. When he was taken to the Burdenko hospital, the boy met the great surgeons Arendt and Konovalov.

When Arendt examined his brother, he said:

“It is necessary to operate, although it may die.

If this is not done, then he will die for sure. "

After a successful operation, he was crucified and tied in a cast to an upright metal bed. But his life was saved for many years.

After graduating from the institute, he went to work in a remote area as the chairman of the city (regional subordination) planning commission. After being elected as a deputy and a member of the executive committee, he became a member of the five, which was called SZ (narrowed meeting of the executive committee). The tasks of this five included the development of a civil defense plan, and in the event of an emergency, all power was transferred to it. It was then that two plans for the development of the health care system had to be developed annually.

There were other cases, during which I had to delve into the issues of medicine.

I still have a service passport issued by the USSR Ministry of Health.

But the wildest situation that we had to face is the collapse of our health care system in three directions, which have long been known and failed in other countries of the world.

This is, firstly, paid medicine, which was very well shown by A.P. Chekhov in Ionych. You have to be a completely brainless leader in order not to understand that there are areas of human activity that are not determined by money.

Secondly, the so-called insurance medicine was introduced, which showed its futility from the very beginning, from the ⅩⅦI century. After all, all human diseases cannot be the results of "insured events". There are also chronic diseases. There is also such an important area as the prevention of public health.

Thirdly, it is difficult to understand why Medvedev in 2011 agreed with the WTO (great medical organization?) Requirement to lift restrictions on foreign capital participation in our insurance companies. After that, the well-known "optimization" of Russian healthcare began in favor of foreign and "our" insurers.

I don't know if those who did all this will ever be punished?

But I must say that when I turned out to be a patient, I saw the same noble doctors risking their health (and sometimes their lives) in the name of fulfilling their high destiny. Doctors, nurses, nurses - honor and praise to them.

But it is not by chance that I write about this in Voennoye Obozreniye. All medical personnel in the country (except for "paid") must have military training. Ranks equated to the military. And wages from the federal budget. No mocking "regional averages" or taking into account "inflation".

In order to do this, the government has the necessary funds.

About this and the main opportunities for exiting

"Red zone of the economic crisis"

- in the next article.
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  1. Clear
    Clear 16 March 2021 18: 09
    +13
    [quote] I saw the same noble doctors risking their health (and sometimes their lives) in the name of fulfilling their high destiny. Doctors, nurses, nurses - honor and praise to them. [quote]

    Indeed - well done!
    1. WHAT IS
      WHAT IS 16 March 2021 18: 31
      +13
      Yes, they need to erect a monument, a friend, a radiologist, practically lived in a hospital - selfless and courageous people, worthy of respect.
      1. GUSAR
        GUSAR 17 March 2021 13: 18
        +3
        Begging for money from a pensioner - they also find strength. Well, in general, the money there is awesome now
      2. aglet
        aglet 17 March 2021 18: 36
        0
        "Yes, they need to erect a monument"
        and why did they not do anything before the virus, and did not live in hospitals? although diseases are much more dangerous than the virus, and there are much more people who are sick with them. not paid as they are now for their idleness?
    2. aglet
      aglet 17 March 2021 18: 33
      0
      "Well done indeed!"
      Well, that is, they are treating the virus with the full breadth of their medical soul, and the nurses, for the performance of their official duties, do not pull anything from the relatives of the patients, but only from the virus, Putin paid them very much to one vegetable. but what about the other diseases for which Putin does not pay extra, is there also so, everything is disinterested?
      1. Clear
        Clear 17 March 2021 19: 45
        +4
        Quote: aglet
        "Well done indeed!"
        Well, that is, they are treating the virus with the full breadth of their medical soul, and the nurses, for the performance of their official duties, do not pull anything from the relatives of the patients, but only from the virus, Putin paid them very much to one vegetable. but what about the other diseases for which Putin does not pay extra, is there also so, everything is disinterested?

        Well, then the facts to the studio and the prosecutor's office.
        1. aglet
          aglet 18 March 2021 07: 04
          +1
          "Well, so the facts to the studio and the prosecutor's office"
          otherwise you do not know them. or are you from a doctor's family?
          1. Clear
            Clear 18 March 2021 10: 54
            +4
            Quote: aglet
            "Well, so the facts to the studio and the prosecutor's office"
            otherwise you do not know them. or are you from a doctor's family?

            I, too, for all good and against all bad.
  2. Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 16 March 2021 18: 09
    0
    introduced the so-called insurance medicine
    Since 1948, he has been working in the UK for a solid four with a plus (five points each).
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 16 March 2021 18: 27
      +5
      Dear yes minusers please briefly substantiate your disagreement.
      1. Clear
        Clear 16 March 2021 19: 05
        +8
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        Dear yes minusers please briefly substantiate your disagreement.

        Okay. In short.
        It's all about health care models that differ from each other in the degree of state intervention, the form of ownership of medical service providers, the degree of coverage of the population with state support programs, and sources of funding.
        How it is being implemented is a separate issue, but legislatively, in Russia the responsibility of state authorities and departments of enterprises, institutions and organizations, regardless of their form of ownership, officials, for ensuring the rights of citizens in the field of health protection is spelled out. Those. - fairness and equality for all citizens in the availability of medical care.
        In England and some countries (Italy, Spain), free assistance is provided only at the main stages of the course of treatment, and additional conditions (comfort, priority) are welcome to private medicine. Therefore, in addition to the system of medical care within the state insurance (SMS), the private sector and VHI programs that use the non-state medical base are widely represented there.
        In other countries, voluntary health insurance is little developed (Japan) or none at all (Canada).

        Py.Sy. I, in general, try not to put cons (do not judge and you will not be judged)
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 16 March 2021 19: 22
          0
          free assistance is provided only at the main stages of the course of treatment, and additional conditions (comfort, priority)
          If you deign to have caviar for breakfast and a ward with mahogany trim, then yes. And so, everything is quite decent, the choice of dishes (the nurse is interested, today this and that (2-3) and what you will.) All the necessary procedures are done. There are delays - when I was lying, the operating room was occupied twice - I had to wait two extra days.
          the private sector is widely represented
          I repeat, if you want increased attention to your person, open your wallet.
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 16 March 2021 19: 40
        +2
        minusers please briefly substantiate your disagreement.
        in interesting topics, I'm trying to compensate and even out the activity of the minusators mentioned by you, in this one I also set everyone to +1, phew .., I'm sick of it already! ... laughing wink
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 16 March 2021 19: 46
          0
          Thank you. Recently, I have already ceased to pay attention - it’s just that it’s clearer where public opinion is leaning.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 16 March 2021 19: 50
            +3
            Thank you
            not at all!!! Fair... wink And public opinion, in any country or community, is like fashion - the fantasy of the crowd ... laughing
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 16 March 2021 19: 57
              +1
              public opinion, in any country or community
              Here on VO - due to a specific sample, this is practically a constant. Again, I broadened my horizons - until the day before yesterday I did not know, for example, that the London sewage system is being brought into the Thames uncleaned - there are no sewage treatment facilities here, as dear members of the forum believe. Century is alive - learn, why drinks
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 16 March 2021 20: 25
                0
                that the sewers of London are being led into the Thames uncleaned
                in many cities of Western Europe, so it was before, only in the 20th century and a little at the end of the 19th, they began to build sewage treatment plants and remove sewage through underground channels further, from densely populated cities ... And with London, but near discharges into the river, housing there is a little cheaper ... but if the wind blows through the windows, then ... recourse
                1. Bolt cutter
                  Bolt cutter 16 March 2021 20: 31
                  +1
                  though if the wind blows through the windows, then
                  The sitting of parliament is canceled, and the office rats MI5 and MI6 are working in conditions close to the fighting - these buildings on the waterfront.
                  1. ycuce234-san
                    ycuce234-san 17 March 2021 09: 12
                    -2
                    For a long time, sewage treatment plants have been sold all over the world.
                    And they have a navigable river, onto which you can lead a special vessel with a cleaning system installed on it and put it on barrels to receive waste water from the outlets for cleaning - if you do not want to spoil the valuable historical and tourist attractive buildings and dig everything up. What prevents you from doing this?
                    1. Bolt cutter
                      Bolt cutter 17 March 2021 11: 59
                      -1
                      What prevents you from doing this?
                      No need - all the necessary communications are available - not Zimbabwe go wassat
                      1. ycuce234-san
                        ycuce234-san 17 March 2021 12: 13
                        -1
                        They have amber from river waters. Communications simply deliver wastewater to river waters without purification. And here it is possible to feed the wastewater from the waste pipe into the tank cleaning devices of such a cleaning vessel and deliver it into the river already cleaned. Then the river will stop smelling and the water will become safer for the population who comes into contact with it en masse in the city - for example, when a gusty wind raises foam and splashes from the water and waves, which will then be inhaled by someone or settle on surfaces from which microorganisms from droplets then they will put their hands together. Look at the pictures of the Thames - there are places for a bulk clearing barge, because it is a rather big river within London.
                      2. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 17 March 2021 12: 17
                        0
                        I don't see the Thames in the pictures.
                        The river will then stop smelling and the water will become safer for the population who comes into contact with it en masse in the city.
                        It does not smell and is safe for the population - passengers travel on it for their business and no dysentery.
                      3. ycuce234-san
                        ycuce234-san 17 March 2021 12: 37
                        -1
                        And with London, well, near the discharges into the river, housing there is a little cheaper


                        Then it does not fit with housing prices. A safe river must have a square meter of roads.
                      4. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 17 March 2021 12: 49
                        -1
                        A safe river must have a square meter of roads.
                        Do you have your own oil field if the river in London is cheap for you?
                        https://www.knightfrank.co.uk/riverside-property-for-sale
                      5. ycuce234-san
                        ycuce234-san 17 March 2021 13: 18
                        -1
                        It is cheaper relative to London housing at a distance from river waters at the locations of outlets in them - that is, the relative price.
                        The odor threshold of hydrogen sulfide is very low - 0,014-0,03 mg / m3. Significant odor - at 4 mg / m3, and heavy - at 7-11 mg / m3. Well, the titer of E. coli in the waters and on washes from the surfaces of objects and buildings near the river is also a good indicator of pollution, although it is unlikely to be published there. Apparently, local residents and tenants do not fully trust these supposedly "clean" waters, since the price is steadily kept somewhat lower.
                      6. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 17 March 2021 13: 25
                        -1
                        the price is steadily holding slightly lower.
                        An apartment for 4 or 5 million pounds on average - you can buy a helicopter just for delivery wassat
                        and the titer of E. coli in waters and on washes from the surfaces of objects and structures near the river is also a good indicator of pollution, although it is unlikely to be published there
                        It is really more appropriate to argue about the taste of oysters with those who have not seen the Thames in the picture. tongue (nasty jelly with the taste of sea water - but good with tequila)
    2. nnm
      nnm 16 March 2021 22: 23
      +2
      Don't thank ...
      Best of all, the essence of Great Britain is spoken of in two series - "Yes, Mr. Minister" and "Yes, Mr. Prime Minister."
      I especially liked your twitching
      Quote: Bolt Cutter
      I didn’t know until the day before yesterday, for example, that London's sewage system is being led into the Thames uncleaned - there are no sewage treatment facilities here

      it's easy to lie thinking that I won't see. And I will not correct it by saying that it was a question of INSUFFICIENCY of treatment facilities, as a result of which up to 39 million tons per year, during heavy rains, they take out all the contents of the Victorian sewerage system into the Thames because the sewage systems and stormwater systems in London are a single whole.
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 16 March 2021 22: 37
        -1
        thinking that I won't see. And I will not correct
        On the contrary, I knew that you were nearby. laughing
        sewage and stormwater systems in London are a single
        It is illegal (yes, there is a law). In general, take a ticket and smell it, see for yourself. It's just too lazy to rewrite everything here.
      2. Civil
        Civil 17 March 2021 07: 18
        +2
        Suburbs are formed around our cities, which do not have any sewage system at all .. yes, this is not legal, but who is checking?
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 17 March 2021 04: 03
    +4
    Quote: Bolt Cutter
    Thank you. Recently, I have already ceased to pay attention - it’s just that it’s clearer where public opinion is leaning.

    Spit on the "public opinion" of the scoundrels who claim that a person should happily work up to 65 years of age at 12 rubles a month, eating macaroons and rejoicing that the state provides him with some kind of medical insurance. They are not worth your nerves or your worries.
  • kalibr
    kalibr 16 March 2021 18: 33
    +12
    So it's in England, Alex! You have there in England in general like this: I turned to the Wallace Museum - well, you know, they have a gorgeous set of collections, with a request - they say, a journalist from Russia, for VO you need material, permission to use your photos - help. And then I received everything and they also wrote to me - contact me in the future. I turned to our State Historical Museum - "7600 rubles for a photo". That's the way it is and nothing else. So in medicine we have exactly the same as in the museum business. "There" everything was settled, time-tested. We are still "settling", bubbling and foaming. So what is it about?
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 16 March 2021 18: 34
      0
      Speech about the inoperability of the insurance model in medicine - the British and Dutch systems refute this thesis.
    2. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 16 March 2021 18: 41
      0
      our State Historical Museum - "7600 rubles per photo"
      76 pounds belay for a photo? This is definitely not the director for brandy?
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 16 March 2021 18: 57
        +4
        You can write to them yourself, check ...
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 16 March 2021 18: 57
          -1
          I believe, but something a little expensive.
    3. nnm
      nnm 16 March 2021 22: 25
      +1
      German archives, archives in the United States (according to the same Isaev) - everything is strictly for a fee. Even if you make copies in the archive itself.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 16 March 2021 19: 01
    +10
    Quote: Bolt Cutter
    introduced the so-called insurance medicine
    Since 1948, he has been working in the UK for a solid four with a plus (five points each).

    Although I did not give you a minus, but I understand why .. Insurance medicine is absurd .. a perversion of the capitalist model, if you like .. a layer that sucks money and humiliates the Hippocratic oath .. or the oath of a Soviet doctor ... where there are such lines :
    to be always ready to provide medical care, to treat the patient attentively and caringly, to keep medical confidentiality;

    to apply, if the interests of the patient require it, for advice to comrades in the profession and never refuse them advice and help;
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 16 March 2021 19: 11
      -1
      Insurance medicine is absurd ... a perversion of the capitalist model, if you will.
      And where will you get the money for unique equipment (a tomograph can be more expensive than a helicopter), for doctors who have spent at least 10 years studying and, accordingly, wanting a good remuneration for their work, for medicines that are not even literally worth their weight in gold, but often more expensive. For comfortable hospital buildings? Universal insurance (everyone pays and then uses) is quite fair.
      the oath of the Soviet doctor.
      Father said, I was ashamed to take money from doctors for hacks (apartment renovations) under the Union.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 16 March 2021 19: 14
        +11
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        And where will you get the money for unique equipment (a tomograph can be more expensive than a helicopter), for doctors who have spent at least 10 years studying and, accordingly, wanting a good remuneration for their work, for medicines that are not even literally worth their weight in gold, but often more expensive. For comfortable hospital buildings? Universal insurance (everyone pays and then uses) is quite fair.

        Taxes, natural resources .. there are enough funding sources .. it is important not to steal and distribute income correctly .. Russia is the richest country in the world .. but at the same time, one of the poorest ..
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 16 March 2021 19: 30
          -1
          Taxes
          Insurance premiums are one of the taxes by and large. Why kipish request ?
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 17 March 2021 04: 18
            +10
            And, all this commotion means that, as soon as it comes to the socialist system, which had enough money for tomographs, and for rockets, and for ballet, and for free housing, and for free education, then you, like frightened ostriches, start to hide the little heads in the sand. You understand everything and know everything, and it is from this that it becomes disgusting to read your fabrications on the topic of taxes. You are not mentioning the benefits of the progressive personal income tax scale. Keep silent about taxes on the export of capital, the very one that is obtained as a result of manipulations with prices on Russian stock exchanges for Russian subsoil and is calmly taken “over the hill”.
            "Kipish" has not yet begun, but from the vanity of your "like-minded people" you can see with what concern they perceive the hatred of fellow citizens rising against them. Those who are already sick of looking at the hypocrisy, arrogance and lies of this self-appointed and self-zeroing gathering. They wanted to rule forever, giving nothing, but only taking. Fuck you, physics should have been taught. Everything about the force vectors is well described there.
      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 16 March 2021 21: 08
        -1
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        Father said, I was ashamed to take money from doctors for hacks (apartment renovations) under the Union.

        Ehm ..... Fuck knows why, but I remembered:

        Apparently, Svarog (Vladimir) with his bucolic communism inspired laughing
      3. Captain45
        Captain45 17 March 2021 11: 08
        +1
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        Father said, I was ashamed to take money from doctors for hacks (apartment renovations) under the Union.

        But doctors often did not hesitate to take from a box of chocolates and a bottle of cognac (and who lived in the USSR, he knows how it got) to an envelope with money with the bashful words "Thank you, doctor" and a nurse for half a ruble (50 kopecks) for " duck "and a nurse for a ruble per injection. So it may be more honest to pay for the treatment right away and then legally demand to receive the paid. And then as in that joke:
        - Comrade ensign, is there meat in the soup?
        - It’s supposed to, then eat!
        - But it's not supposed to be here!
        - It is not allowed, then you do not eat!
      4. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 17 March 2021 14: 17
        +3
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        And where will you get the money for unique equipment (a tomograph can be more expensive than a helicopter), for doctors who have spent at least 10 years studying and, accordingly, wanting a good remuneration for their work, for medicines that are not even literally worth their weight in gold, but often more expensive. For comfortable hospital buildings? Universal insurance (everyone pays and then uses) is quite fair.

        Perhaps I don't understand something, but insurance is a business, i.e. activities for the purpose of making a profit.
        And the insurer is an intermediary between the one who pays for the honey. help and those who provide it. Hence the cost of honey. assistance increases by the amount that the insurer takes for its services.
      5. aglet
        aglet 17 March 2021 18: 40
        0
        "And where will you get the money for unique equipment (a tomograph can be more expensive than a helicopter), for doctors who have spent at least 10 years studying and accordingly"
        and we live in Papuan Africa, or still, in a modern European state, which has money, well, just before .. a lot? in addition, a bunch of taxes, and payments from citizens who, allegedly, also go there
    2. paco.soto
      paco.soto 16 March 2021 21: 45
      +6
      Even though I didn’t give you a minus, I understand why .. Insurance medicine is absurd .. a perversion of the capitalist model, if you like .. a layer that sucks money and humiliates the Hippocratic oath .. ©
      Comrade Colonel General: "May I appeal?"
    3. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 17 March 2021 05: 46
      +7
      But then I remembered how last year, when no one knew about the risks of a new threat, the president entered the “red zone”. And then he stopped the collapse of the healthcare system. It became clear to me that then, at the risk of his life, he acted as an officer and a citizen.

      And, whatever you want, a person who has saved the country and is fighting for the health of the people needs our trust and our help.
      oh, everything ... laughed and did not read further ... "stopped the collapse of the healthcare system ..." head over heels the system flies into the abyss ... and really support him, a friend of the oligarchs ... her .... on the first channel with such articles ...
    4. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 17 March 2021 06: 50
      +3
      Quote: Svarog
      Insurance medicine is absurd ..

      Greetings Volodya. hi
      I'll try to correct you - the absurdity of insurance medicine is not absolute, within the framework of capitalism the system is quite working. Especially in states where there are no natural resources. Under the socialist system, it is naturally absurd. hi
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 16 March 2021 19: 14
    +12
    Quote: Bolt Cutter
    Since 1948 in Great Britain he has been working for a solid four with a plus (five-point

    insurance medicine has little to do with philanthropy and altruism. Insurance medicine is a way to guarantee to have money from a client while he is alive laughing , because if you wait until he finds them, then the patient may die smile
    In England, there is no free medicine, idle capitalism, if you want to live, pay, everyone knows about it, they are used to it, and it works. And here they compare the paid one with the free one, they scold the free one, but they use it. I believe that it works for four-minus. And for four, this is because the free is really interested in the patient's recovery, there is no paid smile
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 16 March 2021 19: 32
      -2
      In England, no free medicine, crazy capitalism
      A week in the hospital, the operation cost me £ 0.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 16 March 2021 20: 23
        +2
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        A week in the hospital, the operation cost me £ 0.

        travel insurance ?? if not a secret, what kind of operation? and as a result?
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 16 March 2021 20: 26
          0
          travel insurance
          Citizen's passport. Although it is not required, only the so-called National Insurance number is needed. The operation is routine. The result is good - I even forgot about all this.
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 16 March 2021 21: 36
            +2
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            The result is good - I even forgot about all this.

            I think they will do a routine operation for us, and what is more, our kidneys are transplanted here for free.
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 16 March 2021 21: 59
              -1
              kidneys are transplanted here for free.
              One familiar drunk had a liver transplanted, which he killed with him a year later. Is free. Only silicone tubes are not implanted - it is not considered a medical necessity.
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 17 March 2021 07: 28
                0
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                One familiar drunk received a liver transplant, which he killed with him a year later. Is free.

                so what is socialism in England? wassat
                1. Bolt cutter
                  Bolt cutter 17 March 2021 12: 03
                  0
                  in England - socialism?
                  Capitalism, but not idiot, is quite suitable and developed.
                  1. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 17 March 2021 21: 29
                    0
                    Quote: Bolt Cutter
                    Capitalism, but not dying - quite suitable for itself and developed

                    sorry, free medicine and education are the basic elements of socialism.
                    1. Bolt cutter
                      Bolt cutter 17 March 2021 22: 25
                      +1
                      Strictly speaking, it is not free - there are mandatory deductions from salaries (covering also benefits and the so-called basic pension) Higher education - under preferential loans - is given to almost everyone and you will start paying when you earn more than 26500 a year In Scotland, it is completely free - United Kingdom). There are also social housing programs - its prada is not enough now - too many sufferers have come in large numbers. The kindergarten is also paid, but the state pays for a significant part.
                      the basic elements of socialism.
                      Here, a kind of chimera turns out - not socialism, but they won't let you die.
                    2. aybolyt678
                      aybolyt678 18 March 2021 20: 42
                      +1
                      Quote: Bolt Cutter
                      Here, a kind of chimera turns out - not socialism, but they won't let you die.

                      THX! So all the same, Marx was right about something !!
                    3. Bolt cutter
                      Bolt cutter 18 March 2021 20: 49
                      +1
                      No wonder he is buried here on Highgate. By the way, in terms of the number of communists buried there, this churchyard is second only to the Kremlin wall. wassat
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 16 March 2021 21: 52
        0
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        only the so-called National Insurance number is needed

        well, this is a hidden payment ... it will be so with us too, or we already have it ..
  • nnm
    nnm 16 March 2021 22: 16
    0
    And tell, for example, how are kindergartens in the UK paid for?)))
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 16 March 2021 22: 29
      -1
      how are kindergartens in the UK paid
      15-30 hours a week for free. 70% is covered by a government subsidy - if you have the right to receive it. I did not particularly delve into it. What about?
  • Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 17 March 2021 08: 53
    -4
    Quote: Bolt Cutter
    In England, no free medicine, crazy capitalism
    A week in the hospital, the operation cost me £ 0.

    the bolt tore off? so they are for happiness ...
  • Sergey M. Karasev
    Sergey M. Karasev 17 March 2021 02: 14
    +6
    this is because the free is really interested in the patient's recovery, there is no paid smile

    That's it! This is where the fundamental difference is, and it is not in favor of the paid one!
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 16 March 2021 21: 14
    +5
    Quote: Bolt Cutter
    introduced the so-called insurance medicine
    Since 1948, he has been working in the UK for a solid four with a plus (five points each).

    I didn’t put Minus, but I’ll ask the question - who rated British medicine with a solid four?
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 16 March 2021 22: 01
      0
      My subjective opinion smile Familiar with the Lithuanian, Latvian, French system. Friends talked about Portuguese.
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 17 March 2021 00: 17
        +2
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        My subjective opinion

        Subjective opinion is, of course, good. But one more question arises - what about this in small towns and villages? So is medicine available there? We, in large cities, even more or less with honey. service, but in regional centers and other small settlements, frankly, it is very bad.
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 17 March 2021 00: 27
          0
          but what about this in small towns and villages? So is medicine available there?
          Even better than in large cities, there is no burden in the form of refugees, sick with sores, about whom European doctors read half a page in a textbook, and prolific Romanian women, who need a doctor (for free) almost every day. In small towns and villages - a paradox - the best doctors live. It's just that with a doctor's salary, which is about the same everywhere, in London you will have a good house - but in the town there is literally a mansion. And to work not an hour in traffic jams, but 10 minutes on an empty road. If necessary, the patient will be sent to the big city in a hospital minibus. And if it's really necessary, they'll call a helicopter. And the villages as such - with a mud road and a boardwalk wassat there is no.
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 17 March 2021 09: 20
      -3
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      Quote: Bolt Cutter
      introduced the so-called insurance medicine
      Since 1948, he has been working in the UK for a solid four with a plus (five points each).

      I didn’t put Minus, but I’ll ask the question - who rated British medicine with a solid four?

      borya johnson ...
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 17 March 2021 12: 05
        0
        Boria Johnson.
        Boris Yeltsin was much more photogenic, I admit laughing
  • swan49
    swan49 21 March 2021 10: 11
    0
    It seems like the English NHS system is not just an insurance system.
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 21 March 2021 11: 10
      0
      Which one? You pay a separate tax that pays for it (like other social benefits). Compulsory insurance.
  • apro
    apro 16 March 2021 18: 15
    +3
    In what I agree. With professors. Education, medicine and system management. Three pillars of the state. Damage to any collapse is inevitable.
  • Kronos
    Kronos 16 March 2021 18: 25
    +9
    The author is not aware that healthcare spending has been cut this year, nor has any collapse been stopped.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 16 March 2021 19: 03
      +6
      Quote: Kronos
      The author is not aware that healthcare spending has been cut this year, nor has any collapse been stopped.

      Moreover, the collapse is manageable and is beneficial to someone .. otherwise, everything that happens is not available to my understanding.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 16 March 2021 21: 29
        0
        for paid is beneficial. state participation is shifting to the high-tech part - and ordinary (local) medicine - to the paid one.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 17 March 2021 04: 32
      +5
      Quote: Kronos
      The author is not aware that healthcare spending has been cut this year, nor has any collapse been stopped.

      The author openly and publicly "licked", despite his age, titles and regalia:
      I am not a big supporter of the current government. And in many ways I agree with her critics.
      But then I remembered how last year, when no one knew about the risks of a new threat, the president entered the “red zone”. And then he stopped the collapse of the healthcare system. It became clear to me that then, at the risk of his life, he acted as an officer and a citizen.

      I would tell the author how my wife retired without waiting for the salary promised in 2018, equal to the regional average. I could ask how a “citizen” can recommend to people what he does not live by himself. Why does this KGB officer not know that other retired officers do not even receive the pension to which they have all rights, like those working pensioners (for recalculation) ...
      This man could not pass the "red zone", but left more respect than "the officer and citizen respected by the author" ...
      1. aglet
        aglet 17 March 2021 18: 48
        +1
        “But then I remembered how last year, when no one knew about the risks of a new threat, the president entered the“ red zone. ”And then he stopped the collapse of the system
        health care. It became clear to me that then, risking life"

        well, I took a terrible risk, especially when you consider that this virus, such as it was invented
  • ANB
    ANB 16 March 2021 18: 30
    +2
    But the abolition of LLC and joint-stock companies has long been asking.
    After all, in which case, there is nothing to take from the legal entity. In Moscow, up to 90% of legal entities are fake and are engaged in fraud. At the same time, the actual beneficiaries are not responsible for anything.
  • Baloo
    Baloo 16 March 2021 18: 35
    0
    Standing applause! Colleagues who have not been vaccinated against covid-19, get vaccinated. April is coming, the third wave will sing. I was completely rooted in two weeks ago. Everything's Alright. Covid-19 is not acute respiratory infections or influenza. The upper respiratory tract and lungs are the gateway. Further damage to blood vessels throughout the body as you are lucky. This is vasculitis, not a cold. Once again, who is at risk of a severe course with an unfavorable outcome is absolutely certain: overweight, diabetes, hypertension, ischemic heart disease and cardiovascular diseases, age over 60, chronic diseases of internal organs, consequences of stroke. Judging by my region: before the new year 100 new ones per day, with the start of vaccinations (today more than 100 thousand vaccinated) 50 new ones per day, and the mortality rate is practically at the same level, 5-3 deaths per day. Think, hurry up to be in time. According to Israelis, those who get sick in the interval between the two vaccinations are more likely to survive, severe cases are less.
    There are many problems in medicine, first of all, basic training in terms of clinical examination, they prefer to prescribe instrumental tests rather than think. I won't even say anything about salaries. Is the mythical reduction of the working day at the expense of duty-fair? Surgeons usually stay to operate after the night. Perhaps I will stop at this.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 16 March 2021 19: 10
      +6
      And I was ill. In a mild form. I stayed at home. So, I'll get by for now. And, to be honest, thank goodness that you have no side effects. But God forbid that the vaccine would not turn out to be "just water".
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 16 March 2021 19: 49
        +1
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        And I was ill. In a mild form

        The mild form does not guarantee re-infection in a more severe form, and in general it is not a "long covid" Covid-19, not influenza or acute respiratory infections. This is vasculitis (inflammation of blood vessels) - as luck would have it, the entire body is affected to varying degrees. The lungs and upper respiratory tract are the gateway. Everyone who is not vaccinated is a threat to himself and others.
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 16 March 2021 19: 13
      +3
      We were grafted with the whole family. Tomorrow I'm going to get tested for antibodies ...
      Doctors are of course different, but their humor, medical, they have a very cynical ...
      I was told that, they even "made bets" on the survival of a special contingent, patients with HIV, 5 people .... four did not last long, and the fifth is still clinging to life !!!
      It also happens.
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 16 March 2021 19: 50
        0
        Quote: rocket757
        patients with HIV, 5 people .... four did not last long,

        Yes, most of the deaths are under 40-HIV or have had hepatitis.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 16 March 2021 21: 26
          +1
          Also diabetes is in severe form, almost like a death sentence.
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 16 March 2021 21: 29
            0
            Quote: rocket757
            Also diabetes is in severe form, almost like a death sentence.

            If an endocrinologist is connected in time, the chances of recovery are great. Transient hyperglycemia from hormones of doctors is misleading, but it is not great in the range of 10-12. But everything above 14 is always dangerous, and if there was no diabetes, this may be the first signal of a covid lesion of the pancreas.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 16 March 2021 21: 45
              +2
              Do you think we have endocrinologists in all polyclinics? We are not a capital, not top cities, however, periphery, with all the ensuing and medical problems! Alas, alas.
          2. aglet
            aglet 17 March 2021 18: 51
            +1
            "Also diabetes is in severe form, almost like a sentence."
            from this and without a virus they die
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 17 March 2021 19: 00
              +1
              And from other diseases too. Now, due to the lack of specialists in clinics, it has become even more difficult ... it cannot be hidden, but it cannot be corrected because of the greed of responsible - irresponsible persons.
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 16 March 2021 18: 42
    +7
    But then I remembered how last year, when no one knew about the risks of a new threat, the president entered the “red zone”.

    I have great suspicions that the aforementioned character posed as Napoleon, visiting plague patients in Jaffa on March 11, 1799 .. And the article is good, I look forward to continuing.
    1. Million
      Million 16 March 2021 22: 14
      +3
      Yes, there most likely everything was treated with bleach, from floor to ceiling and door handles ...
      window dressing
  • Svarog
    Svarog 16 March 2021 18: 51
    +12
    I cannot precisely define and even explain well to myself why happiness is achieved by this, why there is undoubtedly a feeling of connection and some kind of sense of purpose among people who are more or less imbued with popular, mass life. "
    (Ibid, p. 398).

    Collective desire is a powerful force. Science already partly confirms this fact. It is for this reason that there was an amazing growth in all spheres of life, under the USSR. We need a clear and understandable goal that unites society and a leader who, not in word but in deed, proves his commitment to the goal. And everything will begin to revive.
    I am not a big supporter of the current government. And in many ways I agree with her critics.

    But then I remembered how last year, when no one knew about the risks of a new threat, the president entered the “red zone”. And then he stopped the collapse of the healthcare system. It became clear to me that then, at the risk of his life, he acted as an officer and a citizen.

    And, whatever you want, a person who has saved the country and is fighting for the health of the people needs our trust and our help.

    This paragraph struck me as contradictory and strange ..
    This man has been running the country for 21 years. I am sure that under the USSR, we would not even have noticed this virus ... everything would have been organized at the highest level of security for citizens.
    Otherwise, I agree with the author of the article .. Scientists, doctors, teachers - this is who should be the elite of society and not only in words, but also in deeds .. then Russia will have a future ..
    But I don't even see the slightest hint ... that with today's leaders it is possible.
    1. apro
      apro 16 March 2021 19: 05
      +3
      Quote: Svarog
      Collective desire is a powerful force

      Yes, there is such a thing, but this force must also be directed. To set goals for the whole people. To educate and teach. To equip with ideology.
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 16 March 2021 21: 39
      +5
      Quote: Svarog

      Otherwise, I agree with the author of the article .. Scientists, doctors, teachers - this is who should be the elite of society and not only in words, but also in deeds .. then Russia will have a future ..

      And what about Sakharov? After all, he is also a scientist. Do not idolize everyone. I have met both "scientists" and "doctors" and "teachers". The elite of society should be educated, honest, decent people. And no matter what kind of activity, except for commercial, they are engaged.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 16 March 2021 22: 00
        +4
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        And what about Sakharov? After all, he is also a scientist. Do not idolize everyone. I have met both "scientists" and "doctors" and "teachers".

        There is no need to idolize, I agree, but it is necessary to refer to the elite .. because the elite is a reference point for many, which means that the desire of the young will be directed to the necessary sphere for the country, which means that there will be many more talented doctors, teachers, teachers .. and this is already in their own turn, will give a competitive advantage, both in the economy and in other areas.
        A talented scientist does not have to be a politician or even a good person .. his task is different .. a good man is a very vague concept .. and there are no ideal people, and there should not be… otherwise robots .. there will be robots around. ...
      2. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 16 March 2021 22: 46
        +5
        And what about Sakharov? After all, he is also a scientist.

        He was a scientist while Kurchatov and Beria were in charge. And then the Zionist Bonner began to lead it. Since then, he has not done anything scientific at all, he fought all "for peace", and for the freedom to leave for Israel. And pretended to be a holy fool when he became a deputy of the USSR Armed Forces - amazing! A man who was unable to make repairs in his apartment was assigned to make repairs in the country!
    3. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 16 March 2021 22: 10
      +5
      Quote: Svarog
      This man has been running the country for 21 years. I am sure that under the USSR, we would not even have noticed this

      "And then he stopped the collapse of the health care system" is it as you can see? As there was one doctor in the district, he stayed. And I still do not understand the actions of our sanitary and epidemiological services. In Italy, the epidemic is already in full swing, and they take tourists out and dismiss them ... .It was necessary to plant planes in quarantine and not send to self-isolation
  • Li17
    Li17 16 March 2021 18: 54
    +8
    You know, there is no desire to offend the author and everyone .... all these fabrications, reflections are true, and everyone understands what to do. And now the question is when we will do it, if we steal heroism for us, throw rubbish at our feet with daring, answer this dignity with rudeness, and, when attracted, to voice about democracy!
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 16 March 2021 19: 00
      +4
      Are you discarding the responsibility for what is happening in the country from the oligarchy to the citizens?
      1. Obliterator
        Obliterator 16 March 2021 20: 27
        +3
        Quote: Kronos
        Are you discarding the responsibility for what is happening in the country from the oligarchy to the citizens?

        And there is no need to hang everything on the oligarchs. They are only a product of our society. Replace any of them with another of the "people", and you will get the same thing.
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 16 March 2021 21: 13
          +4
          That is why it is necessary to change not the individual, but the system for the socialist.
    2. kalibr
      kalibr 16 March 2021 19: 14
      +8
      There are, you know, 66 of Shakespeare's sonnets, where all this was said a long time ago:
      I call death, look not able to bole,
      How a decent husband perishes in poverty
      And the villain lives in beauty and hall;
      How does the confidence of the pure souls hang around?

      How chastity threatens shame
      How honors are given to scoundrels
      As the power of niknet before arrogant gaze,
      As everywhere in life triumphant rogue,

      As the art of arbitrariness mocks,
      As mindlessness rules the mind,
      As in the clutches of Evil it languishes painfully
      All that we call Good.

      When did he write this? And what, people have become different since that time?
  • nnm
    nnm 16 March 2021 19: 21
    +11
    To be honest, I'm surprised by this article. Unlike the previous one. Although, of course, everyone has the right to an opinion.
    1.
    Neither philosophy, nor religion, nor common sense can establish them with the degree of certainty that science gives.

    - non-recognition of philosophy, which is the foremother of all sciences as an independent science, alerted me from the first lines.
    2.
    For example, what does Potanin own? They will tell me that it is Norilsk. And I will answer that it’s just a bunch of pieces of paper that Norilsk is his.

    No, colleague, not just "a bunch of pieces of paper", but a bunch of pieces of paper that the Civil Code makes equal to real, concrete, actual pieces of paper, armor !!!! Initially, the system created a legal basis, and we only draw the paperwork between the seized property and the beneficiary, who is protected by the LAW
    3.
    But if private property is sacred and inviolable, then where did the property of 40 million depositors of vouchers in ChIFs go, which Gaidar and Chubais almost scoff at?

    It's simple - the assets acquired by the funds were transferred to third parties, and in general, they were bought out by the majority shareholders as from minority criteria. And again - BY LAW. This is how Khodorkovsky bought the shares of Yuganskneftegaz for a penny. Do you think he was convicted for this? ))) A naive question - no. For at first, the appropriate legal acts were adopted, which made it possible to do so.
    4. Abstract art, etc. Colleague, remember, in what way were the products of the "ROSTA window" created? As well as many other things. Isn't Mayakovsky a modernist? It turns out that it is not the current itself that carries the negative a priori, but the message put forward by the author. It's like with literature - there is "Mein Kamph", and there is "all quiet on the western front." That is, it is not the form that is important, but the inner content? Or is it a philosophical, unscientific question? hi
    1. nnm
      nnm 16 March 2021 19: 28
      +8
      5. It is hardly worth mentioning Tolstoy as a moral authority. I don't think that many people know how he treated his family, his wife. But I think you know that. And therefore, we must distinguish between his work and, again, let's say, the inner content. It would be better to remember the unforgettable - "of all arts for us the most important ...."
      6. Colleague, well, with your specialization, you should understand what you are saying
      it is difficult to understand why Medvedev in 2011 agreed to the requirement of the WTO (great medical organization?) to remove restrictions on the participation of foreign capital in our insurance companies.

      you greatly distort reality - both in terms of the ban on foreign participation in life insurance, and other compulsory types of insurance, and in terms of state needs and orders. They kept silent about the standard for the number of foreign companies and the share of participation. So, I'm sorry, but you don't need to either criticize indiscriminately, or do it objectively.
      1. nnm
        nnm 16 March 2021 19: 38
        +11
        7.and last. After the words
        But then I remembered how last year, when no one knew about the risks of a new threat, the president entered the “red zone”. And then he stopped the collapse of the healthcare system. It became clear to me that then, at the risk of his life, he acted as an officer and a citizen.

        my initial surprise turned into some shock ... tell me, who is responsible for the salaries of doctors criticized by you, for the soullessness of products driven into the heads from the screens of state TV, for foreign participation in insurance, for the lack of affordable and high-quality medicine, for the distribution of public goods , a national treasure? Presumably, boyars, yes, colleague?

        And summarizing all that has been said previously, I want to say that the actions of the Potanins, Medvedevs, Chubais, etc. are only a consequence, and a chance for this is given by those who establish the rules of the game for all of us - adopting laws on privatization, on education, the Unified State Exam, insurance medicine, the Central Bank, payments to oligarchs for sanctions, who appoints judges, determines the composition of the government, forms the priorities of the country's development, etc. (you must agree, it would be very interesting to know their real motivation and initiators, customers)
        So the question is not in the boyars .... and not even in the Tsar. The question is in ourselves, because every election, under the mantra "no time to swing," we go and make our choice as in Groundhog Day.
        QED

        A speedy and complete recovery, colleague hi
        1. Aag
          Aag 17 March 2021 12: 05
          +1
          Quote: nnm
          7.and last. After the words
          But then I remembered how last year, when no one knew about the risks of a new threat, the president entered the “red zone”. And then he stopped the collapse of the healthcare system. It became clear to me that then, at the risk of his life, he acted as an officer and a citizen.

          my initial surprise turned into some shock ... tell me, who is responsible for the salaries of doctors criticized by you, for the soullessness of products driven into the heads from the screens of state TV, for foreign participation in insurance, for the lack of affordable and high-quality medicine, for the distribution of public goods , a national treasure? Presumably, boyars, yes, colleague?

          And summarizing all that has been said previously, I want to say that the actions of the Potanins, Medvedevs, Chubais, etc. are only a consequence, and a chance for this is given by those who establish the rules of the game for all of us - adopting laws on privatization, on education, the Unified State Exam, insurance medicine, the Central Bank, payments to oligarchs for sanctions, who appoints judges, determines the composition of the government, forms the priorities of the country's development, etc. (you must agree, it would be very interesting to know their real motivation and initiators, customers)
          So the question is not in the boyars .... and not even in the Tsar. The question is in ourselves, because every election, under the mantra "no time to swing," we go and make our choice as in Groundhog Day.
          QED

          A speedy and complete recovery, colleague hi

          I take off my hat! Absolutely exactly, point by point, more precisely and more reasoned than I would have, stated my attitude to the article ... hi drinks
          To the author of health! hi
  • Intruder
    Intruder 16 March 2021 19: 33
    0
    The author, well done ... everything is accurate and clear !!! We look forward to continuing !!!
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 16 March 2021 20: 26
    +1
    I read it with interest. Plus.
  • Tests
    Tests 16 March 2021 21: 19
    +7
    On the shore of the Mezenskaya Bay of the White Sea there is the village of Kamenka, which is eating at the expense of the Mezen port, which, in fact, does not have a berth, everything is unloaded from the ship by cranes and barges in the roadstead. A little less than 2000 people live in the village. There are 0 (zero) people working as nurses in the village, 0 (zero) people working as doctors in the village. Optimization of FAPs was not long ago, 3-4 years ago. The Mezen regional center is about 10 km up the Mezen river. And the river itself must be crossed. Do not forget that at high tide in the Mezen Bay, the water rises by 9 (nine) meters. During freeze-up and ice drift across the Mezen River, there are no bridges to cross. Only air ambulance by helicopter - if the weather permits. Residents of Kamenka recently addressed the Governor of the Arkhangelsk Region in Vesti Pomoria: “Bring back, master, the USSR with its distribution. , sir, 21th century! "
  • Cure72
    Cure72 16 March 2021 21: 56
    +3
    Quote: kalibr
    I turned to our State Historical Museum - "7600 rubles for a photo". ..... So what is it about?

    It's about not interfering with flies with cutlets. And in general, compensation to the country from the "beggar" about the union of Shpakovsky, who has jeans in Rostov for 300 rubles. bought, "three pieces"
  • Tests
    Tests 16 March 2021 21: 59
    +5
    A friend of his wife just called, they worked at the same school for 6 years. Three and a half weeks ago, Svetlana felt ill, went to sick leave, and was diagnosed with angina. The temperature was almost 39 for a week, they sent me for an X-ray - there was no inflammation, I barely asked for a test for covid - they did it on the 9th day of sick leave, the answer was negative. Discharged, went to my second graders, that's the third day I worked today. At the insistence of my wife, Svetlana did a lung CT scan today for a fee: 3% of the lungs are affected - the effect of frosted glass. My wife asks: "Before discharge from the hospital, did the doctor write out blood for covid and antibodies, at least once, a referral?" "No, I never donated blood for illness." "That is, there is no guarantee that today you are not sick with covid and that you do not infect children?" Answers: "None! Tomorrow morning I signed up for a blood test for a fee for covid and antibodies." This is in Severodvinsk !!! In a city with different medical institutions, both federal and regional, with a lot of private doctors, with a medical college, with the closure of the city by police posts on all roads in June 15 due to the covid-2020 pandemic! And also with a lot of officials in the Health Department of the City District of the Arkhangelsk Region "Severodvinsk", in the Ministry of Health of the Arkhangelsk Region, in the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation. And everything is in business, with a salary, with bureaucratic pensions ... And with the PR tandem that FAPs throughout Russia destroyed, what he did in a group at the medical faculty at the Arkhangelsk Medical University for 19-4 budget places, that he made residency paid, that he did so that in the Military Insurance House the audit is carried out by the office of auditors from the United States, with requests for cards of the sick and wounded. Why do we need Roskomnadzor - in order, among other things, to protect personal data? And the FSB - in order, among other things, to store personal data about military personnel, especially those admitted to information constituting a state secret, and their family members? And the auditors are US citizens ...
    1. Aag
      Aag 17 March 2021 09: 48
      0
      Quote: Tests
      A friend of his wife just called, they worked at the same school for 6 years. Three and a half weeks ago, Svetlana felt ill, went to sick leave, and was diagnosed with angina. The temperature was almost 39 for a week, they sent me for an X-ray - there was no inflammation, I barely asked for a test for covid - they did it on the 9th day of sick leave, the answer was negative. Discharged, went to my second graders, that's the third day I worked today. At the insistence of my wife, Svetlana did a lung CT scan today for a fee: 3% of the lungs are affected - the effect of frosted glass. My wife asks: "Before discharge from the hospital, did the doctor write out blood for covid and antibodies, at least once, a referral?" "No, I never donated blood for illness." "That is, there is no guarantee that today you are not sick with covid and that you do not infect children?" Answers: "None! Tomorrow morning I signed up for a blood test for a fee for covid and antibodies." This is in Severodvinsk !!! In a city with different medical institutions, both federal and regional, with a lot of private doctors, with a medical college, with the closure of the city by police posts on all roads in June 15 due to the covid-2020 pandemic! And also with a lot of officials in the Health Department of the City District of the Arkhangelsk Region "Severodvinsk", in the Ministry of Health of the Arkhangelsk Region, in the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation. And everything is in business, with a salary, with bureaucratic pensions ... And with the PR tandem that FAPs throughout Russia destroyed, what he did in a group at the medical faculty at the Arkhangelsk Medical University for 19-4 budget places, that he made residency paid, that he did so that in the Military Insurance House the audit is carried out by the office of auditors from the United States, with requests for cards of the sick and wounded. Why do we need Roskomnadzor - in order, among other things, to protect personal data? And the FSB - in order, among other things, to store personal data about military personnel, especially those admitted to information constituting a state secret, and their family members? And the auditors are US citizens ...

      Tin! ...
      Regarding diagnostics, there are similar examples among friends ...
  • Baloo
    Baloo 16 March 2021 22: 00
    -2
    Quote: rocket757
    Do you think we have endocrinologists in all polyclinics? We are not a capital, not top cities, however, periphery, with all the ensuing and medical problems! Alas, alas.

    The therapist only needs to look at the relevant clinical guidelines from 2019.
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 17 March 2021 12: 07
      0
      and we have no queues for vaccinations. most do not want to do them
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 17 March 2021 12: 32
        -2
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        and we have no queues for vaccinations. most do not want to do them

        Have you seen enough in the tick-tock of custom-made videos, weaved through the sect of navralny from behind the fence? And how much does each such video cost? Bend your fingers: artists, profane processors in immunology, confused in terms of 150-300 thousand per shooting, screenwriter, director, cameraman, sound engineer, lighting, equipment for professional shooting, premises ... Nothing confuses? Whoever gets vaccinated against the coronavirus is a potential threat to himself and others. Covid-19 is not acute respiratory infections or influenza, it is vasculitis caused by coronavirus, but the upper respiratory tract and lungs are the gateway. The vessels and blood supply of which organs will be irreversibly affected - as you are lucky. Don't want to be vaccinated? Let them save money for a pharmacy and / or a funeral.
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 17 March 2021 13: 42
          0
          do you think that it is the west that pays for more people to die all over the world?
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 17 March 2021 13: 48
            -2
            Quote: Nastia Makarova
            do you think that it is the west that pays for more people to die all over the world?

            google about the Rockefeller plan, which was leaked to the press in 2010. The first item there is a pandemic. The ultimate goal is ruin, so that everyone would run to ask the Americans for money, nothing provided with green candy wrappers. A characteristic detail: 120 countries signed a declaration to identify the source of covid-19, and only the United States and Switzerland refused.
          2. Baloo
            Baloo 18 March 2021 14: 48
            -1
            Quote: Nastia Makarova
            do you think that it is the west that pays for more people to die all over the world?

            The pandemic crisis that broke out in the past year is not accidental. His scenario, as one of the most likely options for the development of the future of humanity, was formulated back in the spring of 2010 in a report by the Rockefeller Foundation.
            "This scenario was called LOCK STEP, which in Russian means: walk in formation."
            All key events were clearly spelled out in the script developed by the Rockefeller Foundation:
            largest pandemic
            • global quarantine
            • stopping business and social life
            • destruction of economic ties
            • strengthening control over citizens by states, etc.
            It is not hard to guess what all these planned activities were supposed to lead to sooner or later: All countries fall into budget deficits and are forced to borrow money.
            To whom? And to those who are behind the Rockefeller Foundation: to the American ruling financial oligarchy. More precisely, to the US Federal Reserve System (FRS), which is formally a state structure, but, in fact, a joint-stock company of large banks. And then there is the central gold fund in Switzerland, these vile gnomes are even cooler than the Fed, because they dictate the price of gold.
        2. aglet
          aglet 17 March 2021 19: 02
          -1
          "Whoever gets vaccinated from the coronavirus is a potential threat to himself and others. Covid-19 is not an acute respiratory infection or influenza, it is vasculitis caused by the coronavirus, but the upper respiratory tract and lungs-entrance gates. The vessels and blood supply of which organs will be irreversibly affected, who as Don't want to be vaccinated? Let them save money for a pharmacy and / or a funeral. "
          and what are you, venerable, so drowning for vaccinations? do you get paid for it? for spreading panic? Why should I, a healthy person, be vaccinated with some kind of crap? Putin, by the way, also scored on vaccinations, and he surely knows something
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 17 March 2021 19: 04
            0
            Quote: aglet
            "Whoever gets vaccinated from the coronavirus is a potential threat to himself and others. Covid-19 is not an acute respiratory infection or influenza, it is vasculitis caused by the coronavirus, but the upper respiratory tract and lungs-entrance gates. The vessels and blood supply of which organs will be irreversibly affected, who as Don't want to be vaccinated? Let them save money for a pharmacy and / or a funeral. "
            and what are you, venerable, so drowning for vaccinations? do you get paid for it? for spreading panic? Why should I, a healthy person, be vaccinated with some kind of crap? Putin, by the way, also scored on vaccinations, and he surely knows something

            Save money for a pharmacy and / or funeral. Have you talked to people who have been ill with their entire families and have been in infectious diseases hospitals?
            1. aglet
              aglet 18 March 2021 07: 10
              -1
              "Save up money for a pharmacy and / or for a funeral. Have you talked to people who have been ill with their whole families and have been in infectious diseases hospitals?"
              Yes, enough already to lament, save up and save up, accumulation of money is impossible with us. have you talked to such people? that is, they did not die, but simply, what were they sick with? and then they recovered, despite the efforts of the doctors? and what did you talk to them about, share with the society, it’s interesting. there are no such people in my environment, but "I would like to know what they feel"
              1. Baloo
                Baloo 18 March 2021 08: 49
                0
                Quote: aglet
                "Save up money for a pharmacy and / or for a funeral. Have you talked to people who have been ill with their whole families and have been in infectious diseases hospitals?"
                Yes, enough already to lament, save up and save up, accumulation of money is impossible with us. have you talked to such people? that is, they did not die, but simply, what were they sick with? and then they recovered, despite the efforts of the doctors? and what did you talk to them about, share with the society, it’s interesting. there are no such people in my environment, but "I would like to know what they feel"

                Take a vacation, volunteer in the intensive care unit of a covid hospital, perhaps change your point of view. Once again: covid does not pass without a trace, even in a mild form. Once again: it's easier to get vaccinated against covid and not get sick. hi
                1. aglet
                  aglet 19 March 2021 08: 17
                  0
                  "Take a vacation, volunteer in the intensive care unit of a covid hospital, maybe change your point of view."
                  I asked you for an answer to a simple question, not your wishes and advice. if you can't answer, don't write tragic stories, don't panic, and most importantly, don't give advice to anyone. your advice only matters to you
                  1. Baloo
                    Baloo 19 March 2021 09: 05
                    +1
                    Quote: aglet
                    I asked you for an answer to a simple question, not your wishes and advice. if you can't answer, don't write tragic stories, don't panic, and most importantly, don't give advice to anyone. your advice only matters to you

                    I'm in the subject, but you are not. When you experience it yourself, there will be something to talk about. hi
                    1. aglet
                      aglet 19 March 2021 09: 34
                      0
                      "When you experience it yourself"
                      I understand that you have already experienced it yourself, and what, you suffered terribly, and have already died? laughing Or is he alive and well, well, coughed a little, and the temperature rose? before it was called the flu, and it was not considered a terrible disease, but now it is a virus and we are going to die? I wish you health, and not get sick with anything serious. our doctors do not treat such diseases, they successfully treat only what goes away by itself, or what they themselves have invented
                      "Once again: it's easier to get vaccinated against covid and not get sick."
                      and that the vaccine is just a panacea, injected and healthy? that Putin is in no hurry to get vaccinated, he considers himself healthy, apparently. I consider myself healthy too
                      1. Baloo
                        Baloo 19 March 2021 09: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: aglet
                        before it was called the flu, and it was not considered a terrible disease, but now it is a virus and we are going to die? I wish you health, and not get sick with anything serious. our doctors do not treat such diseases, they successfully treat only what goes away by itself, or what they themselves have invented

                        Doctors are not magicians. It's easier not to get sick than to be treated. This is called prevention, and therefore they are persuaded to vaccinate, except for those who are contraindicated: anaphylactic shock in the past, allergic reactions of a delayed and immediate type in the past.
                        Once again, for those born in an armored vehicle: covid is not influenza or ARVI, it is vasculitis (vasculitis, which develops with damage to the coagulation system, causes autoimmune damage and systemic inflammation) caused by the covid virus with damage to all organs and systems, whoever is lucky. Vaccination Sputnik is the only reliable way to save health and life today. A coronavirus infection similar to Covid-19 was described for the first time about 5 thousand years ago, but Covid-19 is completely different, meaner. American diplomats in Moscow and not only American ones preferred to be vaccinated with Sputnik than to wait for a Pfizer or Astrozenec to be sent. The editor-in-chief of the anti-Russian Financial Times was grafted into a companion and happily announced that he felt safe. I wish those born in armored trains and harrow transporters not to be ill, to develop their horizons, and not to cough. think. hi
                      2. aglet
                        aglet 19 March 2021 10: 39
                        0
                        "Coronavirus infection like covid-19 was described for the first time about 5 thousand years ago,"
                        is it on Sumerian clay tablets? I remember, I remember, the symptoms and treatment were described in great detail. vasculitis was also described there laughing do you think that vasculitis only happens from covidla? and are they somehow related? or you, besides the name, do not know anything further?
                      3. Baloo
                        Baloo 19 March 2021 11: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: aglet
                        "Coronavirus infection like covid-19 was described for the first time about 5 thousand years ago,"
                        is it on Sumerian clay tablets? I remember, I remember, the symptoms and treatment were described in great detail. vasculitis was also described there laughing do you think that vasculitis only happens from covidla? and are they somehow related? or you, besides the name, do not know anything further?

                        Broaden your horizons.
                      4. tasha
                        tasha 19 March 2021 14: 23
                        0
                        Baloo, what do you, as a specialist, think about the possible consequences for a person's mental abilities? Here both hypoxia and blood vessels suffer ... It is somehow quite sad. Where is next, then? recourse
                        Almost all of my close and good acquaintances have been ill. Interestingly, the first case of pneumonia was in February 2020, when the epidemic in Russia was not discussed at all. And two cases of pneumonia - and the tests do not show the presence of the virus ... My guess is that the tests do not give a 100% result, or the strains are new .. Brrr.
                      5. Baloo
                        Baloo 19 March 2021 14: 57
                        0
                        Quote: tasha
                        about the possible consequences for a person's mental abilities? Here both hypoxia and blood vessels suffer ... It is somehow quite sad

                        I don't think I know from the articles in the public domain. A decrease in smell and taste as the first symptom is associated not only with mucosal lesions, but also with the penetration of the virus into the corresponding centers, this has been proven in autopsies. Our negro students put on masks even before the new year. I do not believe in the accidental appearance of the virus in China, and that this was the first case and the fault of the unfortunate bats. What are 400 ugly biolaboratories doing on the Pentagon's budget around the world? Hardly charity. They look for weak points, arrange a small experiment and enthusiastically help to eliminate the consequences, but in this case it is a reason for a hybrid war against China and Russia.
                        Quote: tasha
                        Almost all of my close and good acquaintances have been ill.

                        Covid multiple organ pathology, whoever is lucky. Even in young athletes who have undergone a mild form, changes in the ECG are found in the form of scars, as after microinfarctions. Obama closed this topic in 1015 after an emergency in a military laboratory in the United States, and opened it to Trump in 2017, as a shareholder of a pharmaceutical company. The United States and Switzerland refused to sign the WHO declaration on the need to establish the source of COVID, and 120 countries of the Russian Federation signed. In the US, the Fed has an unlimited supply of unsecured green candy wrappers, in Switzerland, the Central Gold Fund, which dictates the price of gold, is steeper than the Fed. And what do we have? The shadow world government arranges a pandemic, countries declare quarantines, economies are collapsing, political instability, population disobedience to the authorities, complete collapse of economies, devastated countries are running to the Fed and the Swiss dwarfs to ask for money. Well, these abominations begin to dictate their terms, as in Ukraine and in the tribalty they send their pawns to the governments, as a result, the countries lose their sovereignty and turn into territories controlled by transnational companies. This is my opinion as a civilian representative of the most humane profession in the world and a citizen of the Russian Federation. I have hobby psychological tests. So with my psyche, I do not miss a single test in order to see myself in the mirror of tests, but from what I see the picture is like this.
                      6. tasha
                        tasha 19 March 2021 15: 06
                        0
                        I waited a little differently, but thanks anyway for the answer. hi
                        The sources of the disease, conspiracies, causes and effects are a topic for another serious conversation. I'm talking about mine. I myself endured (it seems) in November, but since then shortness of breath, drowsiness and great reluctance. So I think, either spring, or ...
                        I'll go read the articles in the public domain hi
                      7. Baloo
                        Baloo 19 March 2021 15: 31
                        +1
                        Quote: tasha
                        I waited a little differently, but thanks anyway for the answer. hi
                        The sources of the disease, conspiracies, causes and effects are a topic for another serious conversation. I'm talking about mine. I myself endured (it seems) in November, but since then shortness of breath, drowsiness and great reluctance. So I think, either spring, or ...
                        I'll go read the articles in the public domain hi

                        Go to YouTube, in a search engine: Strelnikova gymnastics + some kind of Wu-shu complex. Three visits every three hours - in a few days you will feel differently. Adequate exercise reduces inflammatory mediators. What is important for life is not what load to lift, but training in coordination of movements and endurance. When you start running or playing basketball or volleyball with friends at the nearest school, you yourself will feel when a feeling of muscle joy appears. We have young people who, after the temperature dropped, began to run lightly - they look better and more cheerful than those who did not do it and does not do it. The function is restored by the function: the work of the brain will be improved: any board games, short anecdotes, children's poems, puzzles. ECG monitoring, liver and blood sugar control is mandatory at least once every three months throughout the year.
                      8. tasha
                        tasha 19 March 2021 15: 41
                        +1
                        Thanks for the kind advice! hi
                        I recommend to the readers the VO Qigong complex "Ba Duan Dzin" ("8 pieces of brocade"). It is easy to learn, available at any age, and has no obvious contraindications.
                2. aglet
                  aglet 19 March 2021 20: 09
                  0
                  "My guess is that the tests do not give 100% result"
                  don't you know? tests give an accuracy of 50 to 50. pneumonia and without a virus happens, even if a virus is found in the body, it is not at all a fact that a person is sick or ill. but the ball will not tell you this, they have their own sect-witnesses kovidly
                3. tasha
                  tasha 20 March 2021 06: 00
                  +1
                  Man, you are, to put it mildly, overly excited. I thought so hi
                  I will remind you, "Almost all of my close and good friends have been ill." They transferred everything in a different form, of course, but there are also difficult cases, and among distant acquaintances they are tragic. Therefore, my attitude towards covid is more than serious.
                4. aglet
                  aglet 20 March 2021 11: 08
                  0
                  "Man, you are, to put it mildly, overly excited. So it seemed to me."
                  it is you who are overly excited by this virus, and I am indifferent to it. you might think that before the virus, people were not sick with anything, but then suddenly once, and they got sick
                  "but among distant acquaintances and tragic."
                  Moreover, the further the acquaintance, the more tragic the case. a distant acquaintance of mine was dying (and died, in the end) of acute heart failure, and the doctors heroically treated him for the virus, and then the rumor went away - he died of the virus. but, the autopsy showed. and close friends and relatives, if they were sick, then in an extremely facilitated form, but the diagnosis was made - a virus. here is just everything, the more the doctor defeated the viruses, the more money he will be paid. the hippocrates and mother teresa are long gone. harsh capitalism in the yard, the people are new oil, and patients have always been oil, only now doctors have an impenetrable excuse - a virus
                5. tasha
                  tasha 20 March 2021 11: 10
                  +1
                  I have read your comment. hi
                6. Baloo
                  Baloo 21 March 2021 16: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: tasha
                  I have read your comment. hi

                  Tovarisch from the sect of witnesses navralny or empty balabol. Mikhail, let's better talk about horses, I like the Alkhatekin breed. Or about Lieutenant Rzhevsky. The prototype of Rzhevsky was Count Fyodor Tolstoy, a hussar, a brute, a reveler, a great lover of women and an inveterate gambler. Legend has it that, once tired of the literball, he wakes up in the French rear. And away we go. Having defeated the regiment of French hussars, having finished off the stocks of alcohol, he demanded courtesans and wine from Paris at his own expense. The rumor reached Napoleon. By the highest command, the count was immediately expelled from French captivity on all 4 sides, along with the remnants of the winnings and the purchased horse. From the incorruptible about the adventures of Rzhevsky: Madame, excuse me ... I'm not madam, I'm Mademoiselle. Oh sorry. Mademoiselle, let me tell you.
                7. tasha
                  tasha 21 March 2021 16: 46
                  +1
                  I can't keep up the conversation, that's how annoying it is .. smile I talk about the NKVD troops and about corruption ... fellow
                  Courtesans and wine ... ehhhh ...
        3. Baloo
          Baloo 21 March 2021 16: 32
          0
          Quote: aglet
          don't you know? tests give an accuracy of 50 to 50. pneumonia and it happens without a virus,

          you are not attentive and not in the subject. Once again: Covid-19 vasculitis, upper respiratory tract and lung-gateway. Once in the vascular bed, the virus infects organs and systems throughout the body as you are lucky. Further microthromboses are the same as in DIC syndrome. Bacterial pneumonia joins against this background, when the destruction of lung tissue begins due to lack of blood supply. Google for articles on autopsy results from covid-19 deaths. The only chance not to get sick is to observe the mask regime in public places and public transport and get vaccinated. You are aware that diplomats in Moscow are inoculated in orderly rows with a satellite, and not with other vaccines, and the first were American diplomats. On this I put an end. Nobody will force you personally. To live happily ever after after vaccination, or to get sick and suffer for a long time from the consequences of covid-19, or even die, is your choice. Do not clog the ether.
    2. aglet
      aglet 19 March 2021 20: 05
      -1
      "Broaden your horizons"
      you need to do this, mine is wide enough
    3. Baloo
      Baloo 21 March 2021 17: 15
      0
      Quote: aglet
      "Broaden your horizons"
      you need to do this, mine is wide enough

      Prosessor Vorobyov, the star of the antiquated rollers, behind which Khodorkovsky's money stands, is not an immunologist, not an epidemiologist, not an infectious disease specialist, he is a hematologist. He doesn't understand anything about vaccines and in general ... he was fired from the first honey. And you have to live on something ...
    4. aglet
      aglet 22 March 2021 09: 37
      0
      "Processor Vorobyov-star"
      are you talking to yourself?
      "therapist-hematologist."
      that's what you like to talk about vasculitis
  • Baloo
    Baloo 21 March 2021 17: 46
    0
    Quote: aglet
    "Broaden your horizons"
    you need to do this, mine is wide enough

    Sputnik is the only vaccine that has successfully passed the 111th stage of clinical trials prior to vaccination. How important is vaccination for public health? Briefly like this:
    Natalia Timonova
    The ten unvaccinated went to dinner
    There are nine of them left because of the rotavirus.
    Nine unvaccinated sniffs
    A common flu virus, but there are eight left.
    Eight unvaccinated grabbed a cat
    Scratches, tetanus - remained in seven ways.
    The seven unvaccinated were in a noisy place,
    Tuberculous cough ... In short, there were six of them.
    Six unvaccinated to blood fought
    Now everyone has hepatitis. And the five of us stayed.
    The five unvaccinated decided to take a walk,
    After diphtheria, there were four of them.
    Four unvaccinated infected with measles
    It is not hard to guess that there are three of them left.
    Three unvaccinated whooping cough fell ill,
    There were two of them left in two weeks.
    Two unvaccinated people did not know about smallpox,
    One remained pockmarked, the other was buried.
    Last survivor unvaccinated
    Not dead, but suffering from polio.
  • aglet
    aglet 22 March 2021 09: 39
    0
    "How important is vaccination for public health?"
    from smallpox, maybe, but not from this fictional virus
  • Million
    Million 16 March 2021 22: 17
    +2
    The doctor is different from the doctor ...
  • Motorist
    Motorist 17 March 2021 00: 35
    -1
    How is your health? Hope you're on the mend!
  • Revival
    Revival 17 March 2021 03: 51
    +5
    "the president entered the 'red zone'. And then he stopped the collapse of the health care system."

    Who was the president a minute before that?
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 17 March 2021 07: 03
      +3
      Quote: Revival
      Who was the president a minute before that?

      And it doesn't matter, in the context of the fact that the collapse did not stop. Medical expenses in this year's budget have been reduced. And this somehow does not fit with the cessation of the collapse. hi
  • Revival
    Revival 17 March 2021 03: 58
    +2
    Nice licking article, try ..
    Well, experience, it is experience, of course.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 17 March 2021 06: 25
    -1
    If the central press printed more of this, then we would not have problems with either health care or the economy. But unfortunately, this will not happen. An era of idealism is coming, in which everything that is light achieved by our country will be rooted out.
  • Li17
    Li17 17 March 2021 06: 30
    +2
    Quote: Kronos
    Are you discarding the responsibility for what is happening in the country from the oligarchy to the citizens?

    You have forgotten the officials!
  • Proton
    Proton 17 March 2021 07: 45
    +1
    Here is the first article of the author not "went" from the word at all.
    From the second it became a little clearer - the general idea and statements can be traced.
    In principle, I agree with the author.
    But I would like to express a couple of thoughts.
    The era of socialism in our country is irrevocably gone, whether it was good or not - everyone is the judge. You probably don’t need to constantly refer to her. We now live in a different formation of the state and the task at the moment (purely personal opinion) is to take the best of socialism and the good moments from today's structure.
    After all, who are today's "effective managers", armchair generals and "elected officials" of the people? These are our fellow citizens, who at one time were exemplary octopuses and good students.
    Therefore, you need to start with yourself, your children and grandchildren (this is our future !!!) - try to instill in them (and yourself too) something good. After all, it is no secret that if children in a family hear mats from their parents at home and see cigarettes in their mouths, then the child will be the same. A striking example is this site. How many often insults, "jokes", hanging labels can be read, which takes it in a hurry. Can't adults (?) Express their thoughts clearly and calmly? They can! But upbringing does not allow many to adequately behave with strangers.
    And what about the president? This is not the savior of the country, not the messiah. Today one, tomorrow another. I wouldn't make an idol out of the president, I wouldn't.
    1. Aag
      Aag 17 March 2021 09: 41
      +2
      "... And what about the president? This is not the savior of the country ..."
      Now it becomes obvious. (((
      "... Today one, tomorrow another ..."
      Far from being a fact. Yes, and it is unlikely that it will change anything ... ((
      "... I wouldn't make an idol out of the president ..."
      Without you, special people have been doing this for a long time ...
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    3. nnm
      nnm 17 March 2021 12: 32
      +2
      Quote: Proton
      And what about the president? This is not the savior of the country, not the messiah. Today one, tomorrow another.

      Colleague, could you specify which country you are writing about? Or was it such subtle sarcasm?
      1. Proton
        Proton 17 March 2021 12: 36
        -1
        I am writing about Russia.
        The quote you are referring to is the answer to the part of the author's article where he spoke about our president.
        “But then I remembered how last year, when no one knew about the risks of a new threat, the president entered the“ red zone. ”And then he stopped the collapse of the healthcare system. It became clear to me that then, risking his life, he acted like an officer and citizen."
        And about the possible sarcasm - maybe so, I don't know. We all walk under God, including the "chosen ones."
        1. aglet
          aglet 17 March 2021 19: 05
          0
          "I am writing about Russia"
          but what about it- "Today one, tomorrow another." We seem to have all this time, like bae, one
  • Captain45
    Captain45 17 March 2021 10: 56
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    For example, what does Potanin own? They will tell me that it is Norilsk. And I will answer that it’s just a bunch of pieces of paper that Norilsk is his.(C)
    Of course, you can argue that way, living in the capitals, but as a person who has lived for more than 15 years in Norilsk, I will say that in the city of Norilsk not a single slightest significant issue is resolved without the participation of Norilsk Nickel and its leaders, from the supply of products to work and air travel to the "mainland" on vacation. For example, according to the "Law on the North", an employee is paid for vacation travel once every two years, but Norilsk Nickel, by its decision, in contrast to the law, pays travel for its employees every year. So who does the Norilsk Nickel management listen to? That's right, its owner and chairman of the board of directors Potanin O.V. So the question of who owns what and by whom is an interesting question.
  • mik193
    mik193 17 March 2021 12: 20
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    I read about the operation of the great surgeons. Was the man crucified in a cast and bedridden for years? I would not want to be in this man's shoes. Long-term nightmare. I wish I had died right away.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 17 March 2021 13: 50
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      Quote: mik193
      I read about the operation of the great surgeons. Was the man crucified in a cast and bedridden for years? I would not want to be in this man's shoes. Long-term nightmare. I wish I had died right away.

      exaggeration. Operations are performed when all options have been exhausted in order to quickly restore health and working capacity.
      1. mik193
        mik193 17 March 2021 19: 46
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        Let me question your health and ability to work. There were cases - a person's life was saved, but literally a stump remained from him. Is this an exaggeration?
  • Radikal
    Radikal 19 March 2021 15: 27
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    Quote: Aerodrome
    But then I remembered how last year, when no one knew about the risks of a new threat, the president entered the “red zone”. And then he stopped the collapse of the healthcare system. It became clear to me that then, at the risk of his life, he acted as an officer and a citizen.

    And, whatever you want, a person who has saved the country and is fighting for the health of the people needs our trust and our help.
    oh, everything ... laughed and did not read further ... "stopped the collapse of the healthcare system ..." head over heels the system flies into the abyss ... and really support him, a friend of the oligarchs ... her .... on the first channel with such articles ...

    You will be surprised, but after reading these lines in the article, I had a similar reaction, to say the least .... bully hi