New UAV "Thunder" will be able to control a swarm of attack drones

The Russian advanced strike drone "Thunder" will be able to control a swarm of ten strike drones drones "Lightning". This is reported TASS with reference to a source in the DIC.

According to the source, the Thunder drone developed by the Kronstadt company is not only capable of striking with its own weapons, but also control a swarm of ten Molniya attack drones, which until recently were called Piranha.

The Thunder unmanned aerial vehicle (...), in addition to its own strike capabilities, will be endowed with the ability to lead a swarm of ten strike drones "Lightning" launched from another aircraft carrier

- he said.

As explained in the company "Kronstadt", the attack drone "Thunder" with a take-off weight of 7 tons has a payload mass of 1,3 tons (according to other sources - 2 tons). The armament can be placed on four suspension points - two under the wings and two inside the fuselage. The KTRV Corporation has developed air-to-surface missiles for the drone, prepared aviation the product 85 guided missile, and the KAB-250 and KAB-500 guided aerial bombs.

The flight speed of the Thunder UAV should reach 1 km / h, cruising speed - 000 km / h, the service ceiling will be 800 meters, the declared range is 12 km.

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[mark1]

"Thunder" controls a swarm of "Lightning", "Hunter" - a swarm of "Thunders" and the Su-57 - a swarm of "Hunters" ... in the forces then!)))

[Uncle lee]

drone "Thunder" will be able to control a swarm of ten shock drones "Lightning".

"Well, for us, for us, among robots,
What should we do to restless people "?

[mark1]

Accept the act of surrender (although even here they may be able to replace us))))

[Uncle lee]

Quote: mark1

Accept the act of surrender

Will Bayraktar be on the ikhon side?

[mark1]

Well, let's not compromise ourselves with contacts with any small things. Not lower than MQ-9 Reaper, and the rest, smaller, let themselves be collected at the collection points for further transfer.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: mark1

for further transportation.

To scrap metal collection points ....

[abrakadabre]

let them collect themselves at the collection points for further transportation.

To scrap metal collection points ....

Not necessary. With the proper level of AI, they can go to serve in the air-space auxiliaries

[Ka-52]

Can you imagine what level of software is required to support such offline multistage control? Such self-organization of governing structures is perhaps not yet in reality.

[NDR-791]

Quote: Ka-52

Such self-organization of governing structures is perhaps not yet in reality.

Not guessing, there is! The bureaucratic apparatus in any structure, even in the housing office
And if joking aside, the system is extremely complex and extremely dependent on specific programmers. In one such software is not written, and if a failure occurs, and the programmer who made this block has already, for example, quit, then it is more difficult for another person to understand his "crutches" than to write a new program block.

[ksv36]

And all these swarms are turned off with one EMP.

[Artunis]

Yes, everything has been developed and worked out for a long time, remember a swarm of anti -arable missiles with one control of this swarm and, when it is defeated, it transfers control to another missile. And this was implemented back in the 80s, nothing fundamentally new.

[Ka-52]

remember a swarm of anti-rocket missiles with one control of this swarm and, when it is defeated, it is transmitting control to another missile

After launch, correction of the flight task is impossible.

And this was implemented back in the 80s, nothing fundamentally new.

so to assume is simply naive.

[Herman 4223]

In the 70s, a flock of granite rockets

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Artunis

Yes, everything has been developed and worked out for a long time, remember a swarm of anti -arable missiles with one control of this swarm and, when it is defeated, it transfers control to another missile. And this was implemented back in the 80s, nothing fundamentally new.

It was not that.
I will repeat once again - it was not!

Not a single group trial.
One 80-year old designer said in a TV interview and supposedly everyone believed him and is repeating like a mantra.

The swarm management system was only implemented 10 years ago.

Earlier - it was not!

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: Ka-52

Such self-organization of governing structures is perhaps not yet in reality.

And what if, after demobilization, these drones are appointed heads of local administrations?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Ka-52

Can you imagine what level of software is required to support such offline multistage control? Such self-organization of governing structures is perhaps not yet in reality.

Believe me, as a former systems engineer, I can say that such software has been written by students for a long time.
Already 10 years ago I saw how 2 teams (each with 3 pieces) of copters, tied with a normal rope net, played a tennis ball in badminton.
They independently tracked the position of the ball in the air, their relative position, calculated their movement so that at a certain moment they would move so that the stretched net would reflect the ball towards the other team and the other team of drones did the same.
And this was done by the 4th year students of some Swiss university.
Now in 2021, a bunch of software has appeared for programming the interaction of robots with each other ...


And yes, who who still believes that a person will always win by virtue of his thinking, possibly non-standard.
Chess is everything!
Man can no longer win.

8 years ago - robots won and ping-pong.
And table tennis was considered one of the last topics where robots would not be able to calculate the probability of a person for another 30 years.
it took less than a year for those who wanted to implement it

[GTYCBJYTH2021]

Quote: SovAr238A

Quote: Ka-52

Can you imagine what level of software is required to support such offline multistage control? Such self-organization of governing structures is perhaps not yet in reality.

Believe me, as a former systems engineer, I can say that such software has been written by students for a long time.
Already 10 years ago I saw how 2 teams (each with 3 pieces) of copters, tied with a normal rope net, played a tennis ball in badminton.
They independently tracked the position of the ball in the air, their relative position, calculated their movement so that at a certain moment they would move so that the stretched net would reflect the ball towards the other team and the other team of drones did the same.
And this was done by the 4th year students of some Swiss university.
Now in 2021, a bunch of software has appeared for programming the interaction of robots with each other ...


And yes, who who still believes that a person will always win by virtue of his thinking, possibly non-standard.
Chess is everything!
Man can no longer win.

8 years ago - robots won and ping-pong.
And table tennis was considered one of the last topics where robots would not be able to calculate the probability of a person for another 30 years.
it took less than a year for those who wanted to implement it

Handmade pennis ... desktop pennis ... Two non-women loving men throw a ball to each other ... ..that's not flowing, but the time has come .....

[rocket757]

New UAV "Thunder" will be able to control a swarm of attack drones

When it can, it will fly, it will be, then ...

[SHOPPING MALL]

Most likely it is implied that Thunder will be used as a repeater.

[TerraSandera]

Thunder and lightning! The time has come when ours began to call weapons as in the United States.
On this topic. The main thing is how to operate these drones without satellite communication channels, over long distances

[Vlad5307]

And where did you get the idea that the Russian Federation does not have such channels? The satellite group exists and is constantly growing.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Vlad5307

And where did you get the idea that the Russian Federation does not have such channels? The satellite group exists and is constantly growing.

Now look at the number of satellites required and the actual availability.
Well, on the production base, for the production of radio communication systems, that would be both powerful and compact, well, that would fit on each relatively small-sized one, without prejudice to the working functionality.

[loki565]

Soon a man will not be needed either ...

[Flooding]

The concept seems vague to the uninitiated in detail.
Reflections based on published data:
- UAVs "Molniya" are being developed to break through enemy air defenses
- one of the main key factors providing a breakthrough is the action of the UAV by a swarm
- "Lightning", apparently, will have different combat equipment for guaranteed suppression of air defense systems and the most effective action in a swarm
- one of the possible carriers announced the Su-57 (up to 8 UAVs), which, obviously, should release "Lightning", without entering the zone of action of enemy air defense
- further control of the swarm is carried out by "Thunder" (which still accompanied the carrier aircraft?)
- most likely "Thunder" should also act on a long shoulder, without entering the area of ​​responsibility of the air defense. for this it must be stealthy, have a sufficient flight range (800 km?), and be able to patrol.

[Ka-52]

- "Lightning", apparently, will have different combat equipment for guaranteed suppression of air defense

judging by the previously announced guesses about the performance characteristics of the "Lightning", then they are unlikely to carry "various combat equipment". A load of 5 kg (according to the author of the article on VO), apart from the package with the LTC, it is unlikely that anything else will allow :))

for this it must be stealthy, have a sufficient flight range (800 km?), and be able to patrol.

range or combat radius? If the range, then this is just a ridiculous figure.

[Flooding]

Quote: Ka-52

range or combat radius?

did not take the liberty of speculating for the author of the article

Quote: Ka-52

If the range, then this is just a ridiculous figure.

without a doubt

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Flood

- one of the possible carriers announced the Su-57 (up to 8 UAVs), which, obviously, should release "Lightning", without entering the zone of action of enemy air defense
- further control of the swarm is carried out by "Thunder" (which still accompanied the carrier aircraft?)

- The Su-34 fires a swarm of lightning without entering the air defense zone.
- Su-57 takes control of Thunder and Lightning, work in the complex. On the Su-57, operations control, Thunder communications and lightning control.

The Su-57 communicates with only one UAV, it communicates with the rest. The manned aircraft always remains in the shadows, at the moment the group is detected it will be able to leave.

Quote: Flood

- most likely "Thunder" should also act on a long shoulder, without entering the area of ​​responsibility of the air defense. for this it must be stealthy, have a sufficient flight range (800 km?), and be able to patrol.

He must work in the air defense zone to destroy him. This is a consumable UAV. The main thing is to enable the manned aircraft to survive. Completely autonomous operation of the UAV is impossible.

[Flooding]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

He must work in the air defense zone to destroy him. This is a consumable UAV

yes, quite acceptable as an option
but the variant is more vulnerable
the loss of one leading UAV leads to the loss of the entire swarm
hence, two or three swarms must act simultaneously
either it is Lead Thunder who is the carrier of missiles to destroy the target, or (which I like better) is essentially controlled by weapons, and the swarm is only a means of distracting air defense to ensure its delivery to the destination

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Flood

two or three swarms must act simultaneously
either it is Lead Thunder who is the carrier of missiles to destroy the target, or (which I like better) is essentially controlled by weapons, and the swarm is only a means of distracting air defense to ensure its delivery to the destination

Of course, there should be several Thunderstorms, in case of loss of one, another plays its role. It is logical to place strike weapons on them, on the lightning of the electronic warfare system, decoys, reconnaissance equipment. They can also be in the form of kamikaze, but it is better to use CD as their quality.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Here's a vision of what the US wants to do. The concept described in the news is their tracing paper. To illustrate the principle, the particulars (%, composition and minutes) do not quite agree.

Waves 1-2 operate on stationary, previously identified air defense systems. Over-the-horizon, stationary radars, well-known positions of long and medium-range air defense systems, critical infrastructure elements, etc.
3rd wave of UAVs with "stealth" information security, identify and finish off the surviving ("sleeping", camouflaged, missed, lower priority, etc.) air defense systems. Here is the main role of the analogs of Lightning and Thunders.
4 waves will iron everything that is left on the ground. Military air defense, short-range, etc.

[Bez 310]

"Oh, these fairy tales! Oh, these storytellers ..."
We do not have the "Thunder" UAV in service, and
UAV "Lightning" is not there either.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Kronstadt is doing something. Better than nothing. There are no questions for them. There are many questions to the Russian military and political leadership. The lag is decades behind the United States. Turkey still needs to catch up. Their concept is similar. Here are just everything presented on the animation in serial production.

Navy is purchasing an additional 120 AeroVironment Blackwing UAVs for its nuclear submarines. The tasks of reconnaissance, electronic warfare, communications, etc. can be in the kamikaze version. Launched from under the water, through torpedo tubes.

[Ka-52]

Lagging behind the United States for decades

Enough about the USA already. The United States did not survive the actual collapse in the 90s + for another decade (until the early 2000s) of the planned destruction of its military-industrial complex by the pro-Russian leadership.

Turkey still needs to catch up

Turkey sits in a deep ass on the part of manned aircraft. So who should catch up with whom? strange conclusions.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Ka-52

Lagging behind the United States for decades

Enough about the USA already. The United States did not survive the actual collapse in the 90s + for another decade (until the early 2000s) of the planned destruction of its military-industrial complex by the pro-Russian leadership.

Well, if we have reasons for which we are lagging behind the United States, then let's honestly admit our lagging behind and work, and not massively shower our people with hats and victorious reports about some kind of super-duper crafts ...
Which are not even in the project yet, but which already wins everyone.

Otherwise it will turn out like with Iskander and Dagger.

The whole world trumpeted that we have a super-duper Dagger and what did we get in the end?
Only 3 Dagger carriers and 5 missiles?
Well, we can modernize the maximum, or rather make a downgrade, from the normal MiG-31B we will make an emasculated MiG-31K, in which the radar will be removed, all the pylons of the missile suspension are removed, but only one Dagger suspension assembly is mounted.
Not a combat aircraft, but a purely high-speed transport aircraft.
Single-tasking.
It has no value, except perhaps someday you will need to fire the Dagger.
And these planes will be minuscule.
No more than 10 pieces.
And attempts to stick this missile on the Tu-95, Tu-160, Tu-22M3 do not work.
Neither in terms of the size of the bays for weapons, nor in terms of the quality characteristics of the carrier (its flight range with the suspension of such huge missiles).
For the value of this entire project in the general defense of the country is minimal.
And the effect is purely negative.
We launched the airborne hyperspeed missile race, and now the whole world is starting to develop and manufacture such missiles. But, as usual, they will do it differently.
The missiles will be quite compact and versatile in terms of carriers.
And it will not be necessary on the same F-15E or Eurofighter - to emasculate it to deprive the rest of its combat functionality.


It's the same with Iskander.
They put him instead of OTR - TPK from the Kyrgyz Republic. And then they flew in violation of the INF Treaty.
And in the end, what now?
The INF Treaty is no longer there.
Again, the races of the ground-based KR and BR with a mobile launcher begin.
And since we have many more enemies, and our borders are almost completely hostile, it turns out that all of Europe will soon be equipped with these missiles. It's like they're back in 1985. With Tomahawks and Pershing.
And again they will build hundreds of them, but what about us?
And we again have nothing in a decent amount in the end - will not.
For the economy does not pull.

I have a feeling that all our generals and the military-industrial complex are just enemy agents.
They are doing everything to ensure that the country's defense capability is only lower and worse ..
And I am already more and more inclined to these conclusions, observing that. what's happening.
For so deliberately destroying their defenses is possible only for those who consciously do it.
These are not mistakes, they are deliberate sabotage and sabotage.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: SovAr238A

I have a feeling that all our generals and the military-industrial complex are just enemy agents.
They are doing everything to ensure that the country's defense capability is only lower and worse ..
And I am already more and more inclined to these conclusions, observing that. what's happening.
For so deliberately destroying their defenses is possible only for those who consciously do it.
These are not mistakes, they are deliberate sabotage and sabotage.

I have a similar conclusion. The only question is whether it is because of stupidity or because of deliberate betrayal. I suspect it is for both reasons.
The hypersound is just an extravaganza. The enemy was already testing hypersonic missiles with a direct flow, they covered this project. We click them on the nose all over the world. The military gets funding, Trump includes wartime laws. And they will soon put into series a whole line of hypersonic missiles of sea, air, land-based and air defense / missile defense against them.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Bez 310

"Oh, these fairy tales! Oh, these storytellers ..."
We do not have the "Thunder" UAV in service, and
UAV "Lightning" is not there either.

UPDATE.
About in service - it's not just not.
UAV "Thunder" - is in the form of a "product sculpted from GiP".

Moreover, it was not designed, neither in the Ring Road, nor on the Whatman paper.
It was simply sculpted according to the proportions "according to the photo" of the American Valkyrie ...
Manually.
But they brought it to the Army - they put a bunch of weapons, inert models next to it.
Type maximum take-off 7 tons, BR - 800 km with as much as 2 tons on the suspension.
Anyone have any questions?

And everything in our news "is already there" ...
Here is a quote from the news.

Speaking of weapons, they did not invent new ammunition especially for Thunder. Drones apply missiles with radar, laser and TV-guided missiles, as well as cruise missiles and guided bombs: everything is the same that the Su-24, Su-25 and Su-34 bombers carry.

Apply.
With plasticine crafts ...

How tired of all this lies from our military-industrial complex ...
The tale of the naked king.

[businessv]

The flight speed of the Thunder UAV should reach 1 km / h, cruising speed - 000 km / h, the service ceiling will be 800 meters, the declared range is 12 km.

Great news! It is a pity that it is not indicated when he will be able to show his excellent abilities in the troops.

[Adimius38]

a bunch of everything and specifically more than 10 years nothing

[Peaceful SEO]

10 drones ... So so swarm. I would say roychik

[Skifotavr]

And what about the countless hordes of Armat, Kurgan-25 and Boomerangs? Where is it all?

[Peaceful SEO]

Quote: Skifotavr

And what about the countless hordes of Armat, Kurgan-25 and Boomerangs? Where is it all?

In the same place where they were before - in the inflamed minds of gorlopanov