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New UAV "Thunder" will be able to control a swarm of attack drones

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New UAV "Thunder" will be able to control a swarm of attack drones

The promising Russian Grom strike drone will be able to control a swarm of ten Molniya strike drones. It is reported by TASS with reference to a source in the DIC.


According to the source, the Thunder drone developed by the Kronstadt company is not only capable of striking with its own weapons, but also control a swarm of ten Molniya attack drones, which until recently were called Piranha.

The Thunder unmanned aerial vehicle (...), in addition to its own strike capabilities, will be endowed with the ability to manage a swarm of ten Molniya strike drones launched from another aircraft carrier

- he said.

As explained in the company "Kronstadt", the attack drone "Thunder" with a take-off weight of 7 tons has a payload mass of 1,3 tons (according to other sources - 2 tons). The armament can be placed on four suspension points - two under the wings and two inside the fuselage. The KTRV Corporation has developed air-to-surface missiles for the drone, prepared aviation the product 85 guided missile, and the KAB-250 and KAB-500 guided aerial bombs.

The flight speed of the Thunder UAV should reach 1 km / h, cruising speed - 000 km / h, the service ceiling will be 800 meters, the declared range is 12 km.
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  1. mark1
    mark1 11 March 2021 08: 05
    +20
    "Thunder" controls a swarm of "Lightning", "Hunter" - a swarm of "Thunders" and the Su-57 - a swarm of "Hunters" ... in the forces then!)))
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 11 March 2021 08: 14
      +2
      drone "Thunder" will be able to control a swarm of ten shock drones "Lightning".

      "Well, for us, for us, among robots,
      What should we do to restless people "?
      1. mark1
        mark1 11 March 2021 08: 18
        +6
        Accept the act of surrender (although even here they may be able to replace us))))
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 11 March 2021 08: 22
          +1
          Quote: mark1
          Accept the act of surrender

          Will Bayraktar be on the ikhon side?
          1. mark1
            mark1 11 March 2021 08: 30
            +7
            Well, let's not compromise ourselves with contacts with any small things. Not lower than MQ-9 Reaper, and the rest, smaller, let themselves be collected at the collection points for further transfer.
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 11 March 2021 09: 28
              +2
              Quote: mark1
              for further transportation.

              To scrap metal collection points .... yes
              1. abrakadabre
                abrakadabre 12 March 2021 06: 57
                0
                let them collect themselves at the collection points for further transportation.
                To scrap metal collection points ....
                Not necessary. With the proper level of AI, they can go to serve in the air-space auxiliaries wassat
    2. Ka-52
      Ka-52 11 March 2021 08: 14
      +9
      Can you imagine what level of software is required to support such offline multistage control? Such self-organization of governing structures is perhaps not yet in reality.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 11 March 2021 08: 30
        +1
        Quote: Ka-52
        Such self-organization of governing structures is perhaps not yet in reality.

        Not guessing, there is! The bureaucratic apparatus in any structure, even in the housing office wassat wassat wassat
        And if joking aside, the system is extremely complex and extremely dependent on specific programmers. In one such software is not written, and if a failure occurs, and the programmer who made this block has already, for example, quit, then it is more difficult for another person to understand his "crutches" than to write a new program block.
      2. ksv36
        ksv36 11 March 2021 08: 49
        -3
        And all these swarms are turned off with one EMP.
      3. Artunis
        Artunis 11 March 2021 10: 54
        +4
        Yes, everything has been developed and worked out for a long time, remember a swarm of anti -arable missiles with one control of this swarm and, when it is defeated, it transfers control to another missile. And this was implemented back in the 80s, nothing fundamentally new.
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 11 March 2021 11: 27
          0
          remember a swarm of anti-rocket missiles with one control of this swarm and, when it is defeated, it is transmitting control to another missile

          After launch, correction of the flight task is impossible.
          And this was implemented back in the 80s, nothing fundamentally new.

          so to assume is simply naive.
        2. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 11 March 2021 13: 00
          0
          In the 70s, a flock of granite rockets
        3. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 11 March 2021 14: 58
          -1
          Quote: Artunis
          Yes, everything has been developed and worked out for a long time, remember a swarm of anti -arable missiles with one control of this swarm and, when it is defeated, it transfers control to another missile. And this was implemented back in the 80s, nothing fundamentally new.


          It was not that.
          I will repeat once again - it was not!

          Not a single group trial.
          One 80-year old designer said in a TV interview and supposedly everyone believed him and is repeating like a mantra.

          The swarm management system was only implemented 10 years ago.

          Earlier - it was not!
      4. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 11 March 2021 14: 18
        +1
        Quote: Ka-52
        Such self-organization of governing structures is perhaps not yet in reality.

        And what if, after demobilization, these drones are appointed heads of local administrations?
      5. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 11 March 2021 14: 35
        +2
        Quote: Ka-52
        Can you imagine what level of software is required to support such offline multistage control? Such self-organization of governing structures is perhaps not yet in reality.


        Believe me, as a former systems engineer, I can say that such software has been written by students for a long time.
        Already 10 years ago I saw how 2 teams (each with 3 pieces) of copters, tied with a normal rope net, played a tennis ball in badminton.
        They independently tracked the position of the ball in the air, their relative position, calculated their movement so that at a certain moment they would move so that the stretched net would reflect the ball towards the other team and the other team of drones did the same.
        And this was done by the 4th year students of some Swiss university.
        Now in 2021, a bunch of software has appeared for programming the interaction of robots with each other ...


        And yes, who who still believes that a person will always win by virtue of his thinking, possibly non-standard.
        Chess is everything!
        Man can no longer win.

        8 years ago - robots won and ping-pong.
        And table tennis was considered one of the last topics where robots would not be able to calculate the probability of a person for another 30 years.
        it took less than a year for those who wanted to implement it
        1. GTYCBJYTH2021
          GTYCBJYTH2021 12 March 2021 02: 31
          -4
          Quote: SovAr238A
          Quote: Ka-52
          Can you imagine what level of software is required to support such offline multistage control? Such self-organization of governing structures is perhaps not yet in reality.


          Believe me, as a former systems engineer, I can say that such software has been written by students for a long time.
          Already 10 years ago I saw how 2 teams (each with 3 pieces) of copters, tied with a normal rope net, played a tennis ball in badminton.
          They independently tracked the position of the ball in the air, their relative position, calculated their movement so that at a certain moment they would move so that the stretched net would reflect the ball towards the other team and the other team of drones did the same.
          And this was done by the 4th year students of some Swiss university.
          Now in 2021, a bunch of software has appeared for programming the interaction of robots with each other ...


          And yes, who who still believes that a person will always win by virtue of his thinking, possibly non-standard.
          Chess is everything!
          Man can no longer win.

          8 years ago - robots won and ping-pong.
          And table tennis was considered one of the last topics where robots would not be able to calculate the probability of a person for another 30 years.
          it took less than a year for those who wanted to implement it

          Handmade pennis ... desktop pennis ... Two non-women loving men throw a ball to each other ... ..that's not flowing, but the time has come ..... laughing
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 12 March 2021 19: 36
      0
      "Thunder" controls the swarm of "Lightning", "Hunter" - the swarm of "Thunders" and the Su-57 - the swarm of "Hunters"
      and the turnip, where !? Exactly, as in that children's fairy tale, or very robust substances ... fellow
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 11 March 2021 08: 13
    +3
    New UAV "Thunder" will be able to control a swarm of attack drones

    When it can, it will fly, it will be, then ...
  3. Shopping Mall
    Shopping Mall 11 March 2021 08: 13
    +1
    Most likely it is implied that Thunder will be used as a repeater.
  4. TerraSandera
    TerraSandera 11 March 2021 08: 14
    +1
    Thunder and lightning! The time has come when ours began to call weapons as in the United States.
    On this topic. The main thing is how to operate these drones without satellite communication channels, over long distances
    1. Vlad5307
      Vlad5307 11 March 2021 08: 24
      +3
      And where did you get the idea that the Russian Federation does not have such channels? The satellite group exists and is constantly growing. hi
      1. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 11 March 2021 15: 01
        +2
        Quote: Vlad5307
        And where did you get the idea that the Russian Federation does not have such channels? The satellite group exists and is constantly growing. hi


        Now look at the number of satellites required and the actual availability.
        Well, on the production base, for the production of radio communication systems, that would be both powerful and compact, well, that would fit on each relatively small-sized one, without prejudice to the working functionality.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 12 March 2021 19: 40
      0
      The main thing is how to operate these drones without satellite communication channels, over long distances
      in no way, without satellite links, the radio horizon does not give on this planet (above 600 km. at an altitude of 10 m, and we strike everything on the surface, plus the terrain, and there are a lot of radio shadows, mountains, hills and lowlands all sorts of, on the plains), and if on the HF and MW bands, then the communication speed is extremely low, even for packet channels ... wink laughing
  5. loki565
    loki565 11 March 2021 08: 24
    +1
    Soon a man will not be needed either ...
  6. Flooding
    Flooding 11 March 2021 08: 29
    +3
    The concept seems vague to the uninitiated in detail.
    Reflections based on published data:
    - UAVs "Molniya" are being developed to break through enemy air defenses
    - one of the main key factors providing a breakthrough is the action of the UAV by a swarm
    - "Lightning", apparently, will have different combat equipment for guaranteed suppression of air defense systems and the most effective action in a swarm
    - one of the possible carriers announced the Su-57 (up to 8 UAVs), which, obviously, should release "Lightning", without entering the zone of action of enemy air defense
    - further control of the swarm is carried out by "Thunder" (which still accompanied the carrier aircraft?)
    - most likely "Thunder" should also act on a long shoulder, without entering the area of ​​responsibility of the air defense. for this it must be stealthy, have a sufficient flight range (800 km?), and be able to patrol.
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 11 March 2021 08: 55
      +3
      - "Lightning", apparently, will have different combat equipment for guaranteed suppression of air defense

      judging by the previously announced guesses about the performance characteristics of the "Lightning", then they are unlikely to carry "various combat equipment". A load of 5 kg (according to the author of the article on VO), apart from the package with the LTC, it is unlikely that anything else will allow :))
      for this it must be stealthy, have a sufficient flight range (800 km?), and be able to patrol.

      range or combat radius? If the range, then this is just a ridiculous figure.
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 11 March 2021 09: 08
        +1
        Quote: Ka-52
        range or combat radius?

        did not take the liberty of speculating for the author of the article
        Quote: Ka-52
        If the range, then this is just a ridiculous figure.

        without a doubt
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 11 March 2021 10: 30
      +1
      Quote: Flood
      - one of the possible carriers announced the Su-57 (up to 8 UAVs), which, obviously, should release "Lightning", without entering the zone of action of enemy air defense
      - further control of the swarm is carried out by "Thunder" (which still accompanied the carrier aircraft?)

      - The Su-34 fires a swarm of lightning without entering the air defense zone.
      - Su-57 takes control of Thunder and Lightning, work in the complex. On the Su-57, operations control, Thunder communications and lightning control.

      The Su-57 communicates with only one UAV, it communicates with the rest. The manned aircraft always remains in the shadows, at the moment the group is detected it will be able to leave.
      Quote: Flood
      - most likely "Thunder" should also act on a long shoulder, without entering the area of ​​responsibility of the air defense. for this it must be stealthy, have a sufficient flight range (800 km?), and be able to patrol.

      He must work in the air defense zone to destroy him. This is a consumable UAV. The main thing is to enable the manned aircraft to survive. Completely autonomous operation of the UAV is impossible.
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 11 March 2021 10: 40
        0
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        He must work in the air defense zone to destroy him. This is a consumable UAV

        yes, quite acceptable as an option
        but the variant is more vulnerable
        the loss of one leading UAV leads to the loss of the entire swarm
        hence, two or three swarms must act simultaneously
        either it is Lead Thunder who is the carrier of missiles to destroy the target, or (which I like better) is essentially controlled by weapons, and the swarm is only a means of distracting air defense to ensure its delivery to the destination
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 11 March 2021 10: 47
          -2
          Quote: Flood
          two or three swarms must act simultaneously
          either it is Lead Thunder who is the carrier of missiles to destroy the target, or (which I like better) is essentially controlled by weapons, and the swarm is only a means of distracting air defense to ensure its delivery to the destination

          Of course, there should be several Thunderstorms, in case of loss of one, another plays its role. It is logical to place strike weapons on them, on the lightning of the electronic warfare system, decoys, reconnaissance equipment. They can also be in the form of kamikaze, but it is better to use CD as their quality.
        2. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 11 March 2021 11: 02
          +3
          Here's a vision of what the US wants to do. The concept described in the news is their tracing paper. To illustrate the principle, the particulars (%, composition and minutes) do not quite agree.

          Waves 1-2 operate on stationary, previously identified air defense systems. Over-the-horizon, stationary radars, well-known positions of long and medium-range air defense systems, critical infrastructure elements, etc.
          3rd wave of UAVs with "stealth" information security, identify and finish off the surviving ("sleeping", camouflaged, missed, lower priority, etc.) air defense systems. Here is the main role of the analogs of Lightning and Thunders.
          4 waves will iron everything that is left on the ground. Military air defense, short-range, etc.
  7. Bez 310
    Bez 310 11 March 2021 08: 52
    -5
    "Oh, these fairy tales! Oh, these storytellers ..."
    We do not have the "Thunder" UAV in service, and
    UAV "Lightning" is not there either.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 11 March 2021 09: 37
      0
      Kronstadt is doing something. Better than nothing. There are no questions for them. There are many questions to the Russian military and political leadership. The lag is decades behind the United States. Turkey still needs to catch up. Their concept is similar. Here are just everything presented on the animation in serial production.

      Navy is purchasing an additional 120 AeroVironment Blackwing UAVs for its nuclear submarines. The tasks of reconnaissance, electronic warfare, communications, etc. can be in the kamikaze version. Launched from under the water, through torpedo tubes.
      1. Ka-52
        Ka-52 11 March 2021 11: 43
        0
        Lagging behind the United States for decades

        Enough about the USA already. The United States did not survive the actual collapse in the 90s + for another decade (until the early 2000s) of the planned destruction of its military-industrial complex by the pro-Russian leadership.
        Turkey still needs to catch up

        Turkey sits in a deep ass on the part of manned aircraft. So who should catch up with whom? strange conclusions.
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 11 March 2021 15: 21
          +1
          Quote: Ka-52
          Lagging behind the United States for decades

          Enough about the USA already. The United States did not survive the actual collapse in the 90s + for another decade (until the early 2000s) of the planned destruction of its military-industrial complex by the pro-Russian leadership.


          Well, if we have reasons for which we are lagging behind the United States, then let's honestly admit our lagging behind and work, and not massively shower our people with hats and victorious reports about some kind of super-duper crafts ...
          Which are not even in the project yet, but which already wins everyone.

          Otherwise it will turn out like with Iskander and Dagger.

          The whole world trumpeted that we have a super-duper Dagger and what did we get in the end?
          Only 3 Dagger carriers and 5 missiles?
          Well, we can modernize the maximum, or rather make a downgrade, from the normal MiG-31B we will make an emasculated MiG-31K, in which the radar will be removed, all the pylons of the missile suspension are removed, but only one Dagger suspension assembly is mounted.
          Not a combat aircraft, but a purely high-speed transport aircraft.
          Single-tasking.
          It has no value, except perhaps someday you will need to fire the Dagger.
          And these planes will be minuscule.
          No more than 10 pieces.
          And attempts to stick this missile on the Tu-95, Tu-160, Tu-22M3 do not work.
          Neither in terms of the size of the bays for weapons, nor in terms of the quality characteristics of the carrier (its flight range with the suspension of such huge missiles).
          For the value of this entire project in the general defense of the country is minimal.
          And the effect is purely negative.
          We launched the airborne hyperspeed missile race, and now the whole world is starting to develop and manufacture such missiles. But, as usual, they will do it differently.
          The missiles will be quite compact and versatile in terms of carriers.
          And it will not be necessary on the same F-15E or Eurofighter - to emasculate it to deprive the rest of its combat functionality.


          It's the same with Iskander.
          They put him instead of OTR - TPK from the Kyrgyz Republic. And then they flew in violation of the INF Treaty.
          And in the end, what now?
          The INF Treaty is no longer there.
          Again, the races of the ground-based KR and BR with a mobile launcher begin.
          And since we have many more enemies, and our borders are almost completely hostile, it turns out that all of Europe will soon be equipped with these missiles. It's like they're back in 1985. With Tomahawks and Pershing.
          And again they will build hundreds of them, but what about us?
          And we again have nothing in a decent amount in the end - will not.
          For the economy does not pull.

          I have a feeling that all our generals and the military-industrial complex are just enemy agents.
          They are doing everything to ensure that the country's defense capability is only lower and worse ..
          And I am already more and more inclined to these conclusions, observing that. what's happening.
          For so deliberately destroying their defenses is possible only for those who consciously do it.
          These are not mistakes, they are deliberate sabotage and sabotage.
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 11 March 2021 15: 34
            +2
            Quote: SovAr238A
            I have a feeling that all our generals and the military-industrial complex are just enemy agents.
            They are doing everything to ensure that the country's defense capability is only lower and worse ..
            And I am already more and more inclined to these conclusions, observing that. what's happening.
            For so deliberately destroying their defenses is possible only for those who consciously do it.
            These are not mistakes, they are deliberate sabotage and sabotage.

            I have a similar conclusion. The only question is whether it is because of stupidity or because of deliberate betrayal. I suspect it is for both reasons.
            The hypersound is just an extravaganza. The enemy was already testing hypersonic missiles with a direct flow, they covered this project. We click them on the nose all over the world. The military gets funding, Trump includes wartime laws. And they will soon put into series a whole line of hypersonic missiles of sea, air, land-based and air defense / missile defense against them.
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 11 March 2021 14: 56
      +1
      Quote: Bez 310
      "Oh, these fairy tales! Oh, these storytellers ..."
      We do not have the "Thunder" UAV in service, and
      UAV "Lightning" is not there either.


      UPDATE.
      About in service - it's not just not.
      UAV "Thunder" - is in the form of a "product sculpted from GiP".

      Moreover, it was not designed, neither in the Ring Road, nor on the Whatman paper.
      It was simply sculpted according to the proportions "according to the photo" of the American Valkyrie ...
      Manually.
      But they brought it to the Army - they put a bunch of weapons, inert models next to it.
      Type maximum take-off 7 tons, BR - 800 km with as much as 2 tons on the suspension.
      Anyone have any questions?

      And everything in our news "is already there" ...
      Here is a quote from the news.
      Speaking of weapons, they did not invent new ammunition especially for Thunder. Drones apply missiles with radar, laser and TV-guided missiles, as well as cruise missiles and guided bombs: everything is the same that the Su-24, Su-25 and Su-34 bombers carry.


      Apply.
      With plasticine crafts ...

      How tired of all this lies from our military-industrial complex ...
      The tale of the naked king.
  8. businessv
    businessv 11 March 2021 14: 14
    0
    The flight speed of the Thunder UAV should reach 1 km / h, cruising speed - 000 km / h, the service ceiling will be 800 meters, the declared range is 12 km.
    Great news! It is a pity that it is not indicated when he will be able to show his excellent abilities in the troops.
  9. Adimius38
    Adimius38 11 March 2021 18: 45
    0
    a bunch of everything and specifically more than 10 years nothing
  10. Peaceful SEO
    Peaceful SEO 11 March 2021 19: 20
    +1
    10 drones ... So so swarm. I would say roychik
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 12 March 2021 19: 47
      0
      10 drones
      in the rocky desert - a dozen, such as: Uranov v. 9, with BM-mami, famously pouring fire on the barmaley who have sat down behind the stones, though before the first plywood-epoxy kamikaze with petrol mowers (motors from them) in the tail, with the TBG-7V head !? ... laughing wink
  11. Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 11 March 2021 23: 37
    -1
    And what about the countless hordes of Armat, Kurgan-25 and Boomerangs? Where is it all? smile
  12. Peaceful SEO
    Peaceful SEO 12 March 2021 23: 56
    0
    Quote: Skifotavr
    And what about the countless hordes of Armat, Kurgan-25 and Boomerangs? Where is it all? smile

    In the same place where they were before - in the inflamed minds of gorlopanov