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Alliance of the Saudi Wahhabis and the American "shaitan" against the USSR

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Alliance of the Saudi Wahhabis and the American "shaitan" against the USSR
Ronald Reagan and King Fahd of Saudi Arabia at the White House, February 11, 1985


The late USSR began to rely too much on the purchase and copying of Western technologies. The logic was simple: we will sell oil, we will buy everything we need in the West.

It should be noted that the modern Russian Federation has fallen into the same trap since the 2000s, only the situation is much worse. Since even the late Union itself produced almost the entire range of goods and was the second industrial power of the planet.

This was noticed in Washington. And in 1981, the Reagan team (How the United States fought the "red bear") made a systemic conclusion: it is necessary to reduce foreign exchange earnings to Moscow from the export of hydrocarbons, to cut off the channels for the supply of modern technologies to the Soviet Union. Also make Russians spend more currency. To involve them in a new arms race, in local wars, in large spending on the allies.

Alliance of Forces of the Past Against Soviet Civilization


The Soviet Union, for all its shortcomings, manifested during the period of Brezhnev's "stagnation", which no one denies, was the world of the future. In Soviet civilization, the seeds of the society of the future ripened - a society of knowledge, service and creation. The USSR was on the verge of a breakthrough in the next era, which was slowed down first by Khrushchev's "perestroika" and then by Brezhnev's stabilization.

The symbol of Soviet society was an energetic, physically, intellectually and morally developed person. An intellectual and an athlete, penetrating into the secrets of the human psyche, knowing the energy of the atomic nucleus, designing settlements on the ocean floor, on the Moon and Mars, creating aerospace vehicles.

However, the old world, Western civilization, the capitalist system based on the enslavement of man by man, was not going to surrender without a fight. First, the dark genius of Hitler was thrown against the USSR, giving him control over almost all of Europe. The Red Empire held out, became even stronger. It expanded its boundaries, became a beacon of hope for all progressive humanity.

The West regrouped its forces and launched a new offensive on a sunny tomorrow. To the world of space rockets and cities shining among the taiga. A world where epidemics, hunger, poverty, unemployment and hopelessness have won. The world that gives people a dream.

The West started the Third World War - "cold", informational, ideological, historical, financial and economic. Secret war of special services and ideological attitudes. All remnants of the Middle Ages were thrown on the USSR in alliance with the world of capital. The Christian fundamentalists who came to power in America sang with the Saudi Wahhabis, fanatics of Pakistan, the Vatican and Israel. The union of the past came out against the world of the future.

Union of Saudis and Americans


At first, the Reagan team was able to find a common language with the richest, oil-bearing, but militarily weak Saudi Arabia.

The Saudis played a key role in the confrontation with the USSR.

There are the largest reserves of "black gold", which were ruled by medieval fanatics. At the same time, there is the world center of Islam, the keeper of the main Muslim shrines - the tombs of the Prophet Muhammad and the black stone of the Kaaba, which annually attract millions of pilgrims. When petroleum-based products became the main fuel in the world, Saudi Arabia began to sink in petrodollars. Became one of the richest countries in the world.

Saudi Arabia has become an important trump card for America. With the help of the Saudis, it was possible to lower world oil prices and deal a powerful blow to the USSR economy. By 1980, the price of oil on the world market peaked at $ 35 a barrel (adjusted for inflation, $ 93 at 2000s prices), and by 1986 it had dropped to $ 10 a barrel and below. Also, thanks to the Saudis, the United States has given new impetus to the war in Afghanistan.

The Americans were able to include Saudi Arabia in their sphere of influence back in the 1970s. With the help of petrodollars, the royal family and the ruling elite were tightly tied to the United States.

It all started when, in 1973, Arab monarchies decided to punish the West for supporting Israel. They announced an embargo on oil supplies to Western Europe and the United States. It did not last long, but the effect was notable. In the largest cities of the world, queues for gasoline formed, the authorities had to ban the use of personal vehicles for several days a week. Then oil supplies were resumed, but it was already worth four times more than before the Yom Kippur War in October 1973 (it rose from $ 3 to $ 12).

Western economies fell into crisis. Another crisis of capitalism began, which in the long term could bury the Western world. But the dollar rain poured on oil exporters. Especially Saudi Arabia.

Then the Americans realized that they needed an Arab "gas station".

They offered the Saudis a win-win lottery: you transfer billions of dollars back to the United States, invest them in American securities (government securities and shares of private corporations). Earn interest and enjoy luxury. The more Riyadh receives petrodollars, the more it returns to the United States and pours into the American economy.

In return, the Saudis received an American "roof", because there were many who wanted to rob rich sheikhs (in particular, Iraq, Syria, Iran). And the opportunity to build your own version of "oil capitalism" with elements of feudalism, such as an absolute theocratic monarchy with archaic customs and a slave-owning "pyramid", where all power and wealth belong to a handful of sheikhs, the indigenous natives are in chocolate, and all the rest are on bird rights, the second is third grade.

The Americans and other Westernizers built a modern state in the desert for the Saudis, cities with the latest infrastructure, the oil industry, factories, terminals, pipelines, harbors, ports, power plants, water treatment plants, a network of roads and airports. Ultra-modern clinics, hotels, supermarkets and entertainment centers have appeared in cities. The market was inundated with the best goods from Western Europe, the USA and Japan.

At the same time, the Arabs themselves did not even work. All the dirty work for them was done by hundreds of thousands of workers from poor Arab and African countries, from Asia. In just a few years, Arabia has changed dramatically.

This is how the Saudis, “zealots of the true faith,” sold themselves to the American “golden calf”. To the godless American shaitan who saved Israel, hated by Muslims.

In theory, the faithful Saudis should have rejected this deal. But, apparently, money doesn't smell. The Saudi elite sold out. So, the Americans tied Riyadh to themselves. All the capital of the Saudis was in the United States. And Arab sheikhs became vitally interested in strengthening America.

Saudi fanatics


Under Reagan, the relationship with Riyadh was maintained by CIA chief Bill Casey.

He was in close contact with the head of Saudi intelligence, Turki al-Faisi. He was in a warm relationship with D. Bush Sr., vice president under Reagan.

The Americans have found Saudi Arabia's Achilles heel.

The Saudis were militarily vulnerable. The combat capability of their troops was extremely low, which remains to this day, despite the fact that the armed forces are equipped with the best weapons the world (including the United States and Western Europe).

From the north, a hostile, Shiite Iran was threatened, where the Saudis are considered traitors to the holy cause of Islam. The Iranians wanted to perpetrate the Islamic revolution in Arabia in their own way, to plant a friendly regime in Riyadh.

In the south was South Yemen, the People's Democratic Republic of Yemen, friendly to Moscow. The Yemenis believed that the Saudis had taken away part of their historical territory. And they wanted to get her back. These lands were rich in oil. At the same time, the Yemeni tribes, unlike the Saudis, had a fairly good fighting capacity, fighting spirit.

Also, part of the wealth of Arabia was not averse to taking away Iraq. Opposition existed within the kingdom, which dreamed of staging a coup and coming to power. She relied on the support of Iran and Syria.

The United States provided Saudi Arabia with military security, giving guarantees that in the event of a threat, the American Rapid Reaction Forces (300 thousand groups with their command, intelligence and communications) will come to the rescue. Rearmed their army.

In return, the Saudis joined the fight between the United States and the USSR, increased oil production, knocking down world prices for "black gold".

Gas on the world market is tied to oil prices, which dealt a blow to Soviet gas plans. The Saudi elite were promised that the fall in oil prices would not harm the kingdom. They say that the US economy will grow from the fall in oil prices, and this is beneficial to the sheikhs who have invested in America.

On the other hand, the lower the oil prices, the less incentives Western Europe has to buy natural gas from Russia and pull gas pipelines from the USSR. The Saudis will keep the market in Europe.

Also, the Saudis, together with the Americans through a network of "charitable organizations" began to finance the war in Afghanistan. Help Afghan spooks who fought with the Russians. Also prepare plans for the creation of an anti-Russian Muslim underground in Russian Turkestan, in the future in the Caucasus and the Volga region.

Since that time, the project "Islam against Russia (Russians)" has been launched.

It is worth noting that the Americans inherited Britain's plans to create an arc of instability along Russia's southern borders.

In the 1970s, US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger put forward the idea of ​​an uprising in Russian Central Asia (Turkestan of the Russian Empire), the revival of the Basmach movement. Deploy an anti-Russian movement on the basis of Islam in Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Turkmenistan, throw the fire of war in Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan, then blow up the Caucasus and the Volga region.

These plans coincided with the aspirations of the Saudis. With the help of the Anglo-Saxons, they manufactured an "export commodity" - "black" Islam, blood-cruel and irreconcilable, flavored with dollars, weapons and terrorists. This is how "world terrorism" was born.

And this happened even before the start of the war in Afghanistan! Even then, the West (mainly the secret services of the United States and Britain), in alliance with Saudi fanatics, was preparing to blow up Russian Turkestan. These were the origins of the bloody civil war in Tajikistan in the early 90s.

Then Wahhabism and terrorism penetrate into Chechnya and Dagestan, the price will be terrible. Two wars in Chechnya.

In Europe, Kosovo will become a hotbed of inferno. Religious fanatics and the drug mafia will support the Kosovar gangs, which will begin to slaughter the Serbs, clearing them from ancient Kosovo. Again, as under Hitler, the Slavs will perish, the ancient Orthodox churches and monasteries will burn.

It is interesting that at present the interests of the Anglo-Saxons, Muslim radicals (“black caliphate”), and the drug mafia are still closely intertwined in Central Asia.

Post-Soviet Turkestan is severely degraded and prepared for an explosion.

The fire is aimed at the southern borders of Russia.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 11 March 2021 15: 14
    +1
    It should be noted that the modern Russian Federation has fallen into the same trap since the 2000s, only the situation is much worse. Since even the late Union itself produced almost the entire range of goods and was the second industrial power of the planet.

    Let us state that he is sad and do nothing ???
    It's time to start in another way ....
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 11 March 2021 15: 29
      +11
      Quote: rocket757
      Let us state that he is sad and do nothing ???
      It's time to start in another way ....

      Nobody is sad .. they have all the rules. And even no plans .. before, at least promises were handed out ..
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 11 March 2021 15: 33
        0
        No, no, who else has the illusion that "manna from heaven" will fall from there ???
        Thinking and starting should be much lower, where there is a COUNTRY, its main wealth, people who create everything and everyone.
    2. apro
      apro 11 March 2021 15: 30
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      It's time to start in another way ....

      And it will not work out in another way. The market will not give it.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 11 March 2021 15: 34
        0
        And we should ask someone how to live, to build our future?
        1. apro
          apro 11 March 2021 15: 36
          +5
          Quote: rocket757
          we

          It's a very capacious word ... but there is a leading class of property owners who will decide what will be on this territory and how the population will live.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 11 March 2021 15: 38
            0
            Quote: apro
            there is a leading class of owners who will decide.

            The ruling class ... this already happened, and then these were gone, others came!
            We can repeat.
            1. apro
              apro 11 March 2021 15: 40
              +3
              Rocket ... there is no one to come ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 11 March 2021 15: 50
                -1
                On account of the fact that no ... you should not be so categorical, you need to carefully look at it.
                On account of the fact that no one can, does not want, does not think to get ready ... alas, alas, it is very likely that now it is exactly like that.
                It won't happen by itself, it's understandable, but how, when and who can do it ... alas, I DON'T KNOW.
            2. kieferandreas
              kieferandreas 12 March 2021 00: 53
              -1
              but repeat once you can, just a small request, start all this mess behind the big lake. then you won't have to redo it.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 12 March 2021 06: 11
                0
                Quote: kieferandreas
                but repeat once you can,

                This is not a circus trick, so that someone would make it to order ... should "mature", as they say.
                Today is not possible, tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, it will almost blaze by itself ... but what exactly it will be is a question !!!
                And behind the big LAKE and themselves "can, can .... go there at all not with our mentality! They have this happening, why we have here and in our delirium could not dream up !!! no, no, we are not there! it is necessary.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 11 March 2021 16: 39
            -4
            For you, they do not decide anything - how you decide to live, you yourself decide by your actions, and so on.
            1. apro
              apro 11 March 2021 16: 41
              0
              Quote: Vadim237
              For you, they do not decide anything - how you decide to live, you yourself decide by your actions, and so on.

              For me personally, yes, I agree. But for large communities, different rules. And unfortunately decide.
  2. Woodman
    Woodman 11 March 2021 15: 16
    +3
    The late USSR began to rely too much on the purchase and copying of Western technologies. The logic was simple: we will sell oil, we will buy everything we need in the West.

    It should be noted that the modern Russian Federation has fallen into the same trap since the 2000s, only the situation is much worse. Since even the late Union
    In fairness, I would also note the fact that the state of affairs in the Russian Federation at the beginning of the XNUMXs was much worse than in the late Soviet Union ...
    These plans coincided with the aspirations of the Saudis. With the help of the Anglo-Saxons, they manufactured an "export commodity" - "black" Islam, blood-cruel and irreconcilable, flavored with dollars, weapons and terrorists. This is how "world terrorism" was born.
    Yes, the Union would not cooperate with this abomination. Only the West is capable of this. And it was the West that nurtured terrorism that got out of control and became the curse of the modern world ...
  3. WHAT IS
    WHAT IS 11 March 2021 15: 20
    +18
    With the help of the Saudis, it was possible to lower world oil prices and deal a powerful blow to the USSR economy.

    I disagree about the "powerful blow", the USSR budget was not so dependent on the oil sector of the economy as it is now - there was a strong industry, and the budget was filled not only by petrodollars. Until its collapse, the Soviet Union was a state with a powerful economy, which in terms of gross indicators ranked second in the world, behind only the United States. The share of the USSR in world industrial production reached an impressive 20%. In 1986, there was a sharp drop in oil prices - the USSR received only 5 billion foreign exchange rubles for the export of oil and oil products instead of the previous 10-12 billion rubles a year, but the total amount of exports in 1986 amounted to 68,3 billion rubles. That is, the volume of oil sales turned out to be slightly higher than 7% of the volume of all exported goods, in the best years it reached 15%. "no way.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 11 March 2021 15: 36
      +11
      I disagree about the "powerful blow", the budget of the USSR was not so dependent on the oil sector of the economy as it is now - there was a strong industry, and the budget was filled not only by petrodollars.

      You are absolutely right..
      The share of revenues from the sale of fuel and electricity (please pay attention to fuel and electricity) in the budget does not actually exceed 10,3% in the most "dependent" years, and on average in the period from 1980 to 1990 it was about 8%. Is this the very “oil needle” that people like to talk about so much? It is clear that 8-10% is a lot, but to call it a "needle" (despite the fact that 8-10% is with electricity, please do not forget), in my opinion, is dishonest. After all, after all, the USSR produced practically everything on its own, depended little on external goods, and it is unlikely that a decrease in oil revenues even by half could somehow strongly affect the “collapse” of the USSR. Moreover, as can be seen from the data above, the budget of the USSR was growing even in those years. And it is absolutely impossible to say that "half of the USSR's income was from oil, and the Russian Federation inherited such a dependent economy."
      https://topwar.ru/36212-a-byla-li-zavisimost-sssr-ot-eksporta-nefti.html
    2. apro
      apro 11 March 2021 15: 39
      +7
      Quote: WHAT IS
      It doesn't look like an "oil needle" in any way.

      But they are hammered into their heads about the total dependence of the USSR on oil exports, and thereby proving its inferiority and ineffectiveness, justifying the destruction of Soviet civilization.
      1. tatra
        tatra 11 March 2021 16: 20
        +7
        Anti-Sovietism is not only totally false, hypocritical, slanderous, but also delusional, including the delusional anti-Soviet myth - the USSR was on an oil needle, oil prices collapsed, and the USSR collapsed. Never in world history has there been, and never can be, that a country has "collapsed" due to falling export revenues.
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 11 March 2021 20: 03
        +18
        Quote: apro
        But they are hammered into their heads about the total dependence of the USSR on oil exports, and thereby proving its inferiority and ineffectiveness, justifying the destruction of Soviet civilization.

        So who's in charge!
      3. kieferandreas
        kieferandreas 12 March 2021 00: 59
        +1
        how was it in that movie? zhahn, inapplicable zhahn, but then. When this fucking will happen then, this pagan world with its rottenness and hypocrisy shook me, this fictional virus that everyone suffers, more people die from the common flu and accidents on the roads, WHEN WILL IT BE SOURED? and begin to build without capitalism, and indeed everything is equal to everyone.
        and since we are all slaves of oligarchs around the world, some have more, others have less, but for some reason everyone has no salary by the end of the month .. nothing.
    3. Doccor18
      Doccor18 11 March 2021 15: 43
      +9
      Quote: WHAT IS
      The Soviet Union was a state with a powerful economy ...
      The share of the USSR in world industrial production reached an impressive 20% ...
      That is, the volume of oil sales turned out to be slightly higher than 7% of the volume of all exported goods, in the best years it reached 15%. It does not look like an "oil needle" in any way.

      In addition, the USSR formed its own security belt, several friendly states, both in the west and in the east ...
      1. WHAT IS
        WHAT IS 11 March 2021 15: 58
        +11
        I agree, and it was possible to rely on these allies with confidence both politically and militarily. Now the CSTO does not arouse confidence.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 11 March 2021 20: 04
          +17
          Quote: WHAT IS
          Now the CSTO is not confident.

          There is no CSTO! At the first nix, everyone will run in different directions
      2. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl 12 March 2021 02: 22
        -1
        Quote: Doccor18
        In addition, the USSR formed its own security belt, several friendly states, both in the west and in the east ...
        on which the lion's share of the resources (income) of the USSR was spent ?!
        Quote: WHAT IS
        I agree,and these allies could be confidently rely on both politically and militarily.
        so, most of these allies (such as Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary ...), easily disowned the USSR at the time of its collapse, and "repay debts by being modest" ?! request recourse
        it was necessary not to invest MORE in "friends" (and not in their territories, such as "free hospitals" in Afghanistan ...), but in technological production on the territory of YOUR state !!!
        Actually, this article very much reminded the content of the audiobook of the book by Kalashnikov / Kugushev - "Immersion. The Third Project" ... ?! winked (https://aknigionline.ru/2812-kalashnikov-maksim-kugushev-sergey-pogruzhenie.html)
    4. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 March 2021 17: 04
      -6
      The USSR was not so dependent on the oil sector of the economy as it is now Probably because there was a closed planned distribution economy - now we have an open market with real competition "There was a strong industry" Which did not produce high-precision machines, powerful modern marine diesel engines, high-power gas turbines and everything else in the civilian sector it was at the technological level of the 60s. "The share of the USSR in world industrial production reached an impressive 20%." And half of all this went to the same 120 countries to the poor - you give them a passenger plane - they give you ore or bananas as payment or even just for thanks. The total amount of exports in 1986 amounted to 68,3 billion rubles - in fact, 73 billion dollars, but imports to the USSR amounted to 64 billion and it doesn't matter whether these dollars were received from oil or from the export of something else, the fact remains how much they earned the same amount and spent without opportunity to accumulate and there was not an oil needle but a currency one. It is now possible to exchange rubles at the exchange rate in all countries for local currencies and buy whatever you want. There is no market economy and there is no widespread exchange rate for this currency for the USSR was needed like air - to cover the needs of what they themselves did not do or did but little ...
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 11 March 2021 19: 17
        +11
        Quote: Vadim237
        The USSR was not as dependent on the oil sector of the economy as it is now

        You're right! But then the ruble did not jump like that when the oil price changed
  4. New Year day
    New Year day 11 March 2021 15: 25
    +5
    This alliance is alive to this day, moreover, Biden is even more tied to the Saudis in America.
    The new is the forgotten old!
    The scenario of the collapse of the USSR was taken out of the safe, dust was shaken off, new technologies of information war were shoved into it and launched into the process.
    The situation is worse now than under the Soviet Union, since then the top did not have assets in the West. Brzezinski once asked: "... is this your elite or ours?" The answer is obvious.
    1. tatra
      tatra 11 March 2021 16: 25
      +4
      The Russian enemies of the communists got "a different end in the same place". According to the same manuals, according to which they wage their information war against the Soviet regime, the enemies of the communists in the West and in Europe are also waging against them.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 March 2021 17: 08
      -3
      "Biden ties the Saudis to America even more." It "binds" well by imposing sanctions against them and blocking contracts for the supply of weapons.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 11 March 2021 19: 19
        +12
        Quote: Vadim237
        It "binds" well by imposing sanctions against them and blocking contracts for the supply of weapons.

        Exactly! It is only Russia that is trying to get addicted to Belarus, by giving loans to her. Dependency is when asked... Here are the Saudis and put in the position of begging
  5. New Year day
    New Year day 11 March 2021 15: 27
    +2
    ... And in 1981, Reagan's team (How the US fought the "red bear") made a systemic conclusion: it is necessary to reduce foreign exchange earnings to Moscow from the export of hydrocarbons, to cut off the channels for the supply of modern technologies to the Soviet Union.

    The tracing paper of today, alas. History teaches that it teaches nothing
    1. WHAT IS
      WHAT IS 11 March 2021 15: 43
      +13
      "The share of oil and gas revenues in total federal budget revenues will decrease from 40,8% in 2019 to 35% in 2022," the Ministry of Finance said in a statement following the approval of the draft federal budget for 2020–2022 at a government meeting. develop, and not rely on petrodollars alone, then all these fluctuations in oil prices will not be so noticeable for the country's economy.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 11 March 2021 17: 26
        -6
        To develop industry, we need free sales markets, to recoup investments and develop further, there will be no development without profit - no one will develop and do anything for free, but in fact there are no niches for them Russia occupies. Raw materials and materials, as well as energy resources, will always be in demand, but high-tech products are needed today tomorrow they are not needed today the client is interested in it and tomorrow is gone today I bought a processing center I already have it and in the next few years I will not need a new one.
        1. Nemchinov Vl
          Nemchinov Vl 12 March 2021 02: 40
          -1
          Quote: Vadim237
          Raw materials and materials as well as energy resources will always be in demand
          on the one hand, yes (!), but on the other hand, you can hardly be the only (or rare) supplier, and this market (as in the example of the article!), by means of collusion and unfair competition, is not so difficult to bring down (!) ... At least for the time you expected to receive "more significant incomethan you can get when conspiring against you"... yes
          Quote: Vadim237
          but high-tech products are needed today, they are not needed tomorrow
          only with excessively long stagnation, and not updating overproduction - "in step with the times" (!)... For example, China is constantly improving its computers, smartphones, etc., in step with the times, gets much larger sales markets, and it is for its PRODUCTS, not raw materials !!! wink
          Quote: Vadim237
          today the client is interested in it and tomorrow is gone today I bought a machining center I already have it and I won't need a new one in the next few years.
          but you can sell productsmade on a "machining center" - i.e. products / goods !!! hi
  6. New Year day
    New Year day 11 March 2021 15: 31
    +3
    The Saudis will keep the market in Europe.

    Without a doubt! But on the next branch we are convinced that the Saudis and OPEC are our reliable partners. But I just can't believe in this oil
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 March 2021 17: 29
      0
      They are interested in the fact that oil prices were high, as well as the United States with its shale. Since the 2020 epidemic has fucked up their economy.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 11 March 2021 19: 21
        +12
        Quote: Vadim237
        They are interested in the fact that oil prices were high, as well as the United States with its shale.

        Reagan didn't care. Everything has a price and the end justifies the means
  7. knn54
    knn54 11 March 2021 15: 45
    +3
    Alexander, thank you. I enjoyed it very much.
    This is how Muslims turn into Islamists, who often did not even read, but did not even hold Kora in their hands.
  8. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 11 March 2021 15: 54
    +4
    Quote: rocket757
    And we should ask someone how to live, to build our future?


    And what not to ask smart people.
    Under capitalism, everything is possible, if it brings profit, you can drink tea as the initiator of the dismemberment of the journalist.
  9. Shiden
    Shiden 11 March 2021 18: 51
    -4
    Not an article, but a set of flatter, the author has clearly read the editorials of Pravda and Izvestia. And most importantly, external enemies are to blame, but not the leadership of the USSR. My question is Yasser Arafat and the PLO received money from both the Arab monarchies and the USSR, so where is the United States. Although Islamic terrorism began with the Palestinians.
    1. Lynx2000
      Lynx2000 12 March 2021 04: 59
      +1
      Quote: Shiden
      I have a question Yasser Arafat and the PLO received money from both the Arab monarchies and the USSR, so where is the United States. Although Islamic terrorism began with the Palestinians.

      Regarding the Palestinians, I disagree with you.
      I once heard this saying: "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims."
      However, what characterizes terrorism as a method of radical struggle by methods of intimidation?
      It is based on certain goals:
      - ideology, i.e. the idea of ​​"justice", social equality, influenced by Marxism, usually with a national understanding of such ideas;
      - nationalism, the so-called. liberation movement;
      - religion, intolerance towards representatives of other confessions, the goal is to spread their religious views as truly faithful.
      The Al-Fatah movements and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) were originally secular, pursuing national liberation goals ...
      But such a trend in Islam as Wahhabism (professed by the Saudis) was originally "fostered" by the Anglo-Saxons at the turn of the 18-19th centuries. as the unifying force of the Arabs on the religious basis of the Arabian Peninsula in the struggle against the Ottoman Empire and Egypt.
      I believe that, as such, "Islamic terrorism" really arose during the Afghan war with the participation of the Soviet Union as a "counter tool" for the United States.
      Prior to this period, earlier Britain, later the United States theoretically worked out plans to organize the so-called. "Islamic underground" on the territory of the USSR.
      1. Shiden
        Shiden 12 March 2021 08: 48
        -1
        Sorry, you can give examples when the Islamists carried out terrorist attacks against the USSR. As far as I remember, the embassy of the USSR was in Islamabad and representatives were not taken hostage. But in Lebanon they took the diplomatic representatives.
        1. Lynx2000
          Lynx2000 12 March 2021 10: 28
          0
          For terr. of the act, the territory of the state does not matter.
          With Pakistan, tensions arose in the early 80s.
          There was some trade collaboration in the late 60s and 70s.
          In Lebanon, people from Hezbollah (Shiites), Islamists were involved in the abduction.
          In Pakistan (most of the Sunnis), it means there was no need ...
          1. Shiden
            Shiden 12 March 2021 13: 42
            -1
            As far as I remember, the grouping that seized diplomats in Lebanon was subordinate to one of Arafat's deputies. And this friend of the USSR did nothing to free the diplomats, but the USSR gave weapons and money to these fighters for the freedom of the Palestinian people for nothing. Maybe hence the problems of the diplomatic work of the USSR and now and Russia that Arab friends spat from a high minaret on the prestige, interests of the country benefactor. And now answer such a question as to what devil we got into Afghanistan.
            1. Lynx2000
              Lynx2000 12 March 2021 14: 31
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              Why did I disagree with you that terrorism is Islamic ?! Didn't you hear me?
              I wrote to you that the religious (Islamic) basis of terrorism manifested itself in the 80s, I consider the United States as a parent.
              Hezbollah has Shiite roots - this is Iran. Arafat was primarily a secular leader, and secondly, if I am not mistaken, a Sunni. Before the Islamic revolution, Iran was an ally of the United States, then, an enemy of the United States. The United States is Israel's ally. Israel for the Arab world (Sunnis, Shiites, Salafis / Wahhabis) is an enemy. Arafat did not control Hezbollah ...
              Regarding the prestige, strategy, criticism of the diplomatic work of the USSR Ministry of Foreign Affairs, it is not for me to judge, not that competence.
              Why did we get into Afghanistan ?! Is it a rhetorical question?
              Why did they climb there in the second half of the 19th century? British? Why at the end of the 20s. Did Red Army Detachments Raid Afghanistan?
              There are materials about the confrontation between Britain and the Russian Empire in Central Asia since the beginning of the 19th century and the role of Afghanistan as a buffer zone protecting the "pearl of the British crown" from Russian penetration.
              1. Shiden
                Shiden 12 March 2021 18: 37
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                That is, in your opinion, aircraft hijackings, explosions before the 80s, you consider the struggle of the Palestinians, this is not terrorism. Just tell the United States gave money, weapons or territory to Islamic terrorists in the 70-80s, just do not attribute the Mujahideen. Money and weapons were given to Arafat and not how someone Kasym or Ismail. Before the revolution in Iran, the Shah's attitude towards Moscow and Washington was, as it were, neutral. For the Arab monarchies, the main enemy was not Israel, but fanatics with the idea of ​​building Islamic socialism. For example, Egypt, Syria, Libya, Iraq and later came to power ambitious people who considered themselves leaders of the Islamic world. What is a good story so that you can analyze the mistakes of politicians, military, diplomats.
                1. Lynx2000
                  Lynx2000 13 March 2021 02: 11
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                  Not the seizure of aircraft, but hostages with the threat of destruction in order to intimidate, to achieve their goals, there is a terrorist act. This method of "struggle" is terrorism, regardless of religious goals (Islamists), liberation (liberation tigers of Tamil Eelam, Kurdistan Workers' Party, Black September, ETA, IRA) or ideological-revolutionary (Red Brigades, ETA, etc.).
                  Why the funding of the US mujahideen in the 80s. in your opinion should not be attributed ?!
                  Any terrorist organization is, as a rule, a radical wing of a public, religious association or party, which sometimes gets out of control.
                  A terrorist organization without an ideological basis (purpose) and adequate logistical support (finances, weapons, training and paperwork) is just an organized gang. In any case, support for such organizations is provided at the state level. The only question is who the "beneficiary" depends on the political and economic situation in a certain region of the world and the necessary benefits ...
                  Regarding Iran, it may be that under Mossadegh, the relations between the USSR and Iran were neutral, but under the Shah from Iran, American reconnaissance flights were repeatedly made to the territory of the USSR.
                  For the Arab monarchies professing Wahhabism as a radical trend of Islam, which is fanaticism, financing terrorist organizations based on a religious basis (jihad, the spread of Islam-Wahhabism, the creation of Islamic states) is a way to spread their influence.
                  Egypt, Syria, Libya, Iraq were secular states before the Arab revolutions at the end of the XNUMXs.
                  Israel for the Muslim and Arab world is a "red rag" and a unifying factor in which Egypt, Syria, and now Turkey proclaimed themselves the leaders of the Islamic world in the fight against Israel.

                  Whatever one may say, terrorist organizations were and will be an "unspoken" instrument of influence in the hands of the special services of different states. In this case, terrorists should not be divided into good ones (rebels and revolutionaries) and bad strangers (separatists, terrorists). Do you really think that the United States did not finance radical movements in Islamic countries in the 70s? Also, you probably think that in Latin America the Americans did not sponsor and prepared "any contra"? Or in Africa?
                  1. Shiden
                    Shiden 13 March 2021 11: 03
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                    Well, firstly, if you think that the Mujahideen are terrorists, then the Vietcong, Sandinistas, Farobundo Marty, FAR, SWAPO are also from that cohort. Under the Shah, Iran bought weapons from the USSR, and industrial facilities were also built. Under kings and shahs, there was also secular rule. And notably Egypt, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Iran, there were wars everywhere, and long before the 90-2000s. Egypt sent an army to Yemen, Syria to Lebanon where there was a civil war, Libya to Chad, Iraq and Iran between each other. So the Arab monarchies were clearly shown in Jordan where the supporters of Islamic socialism almost overthrew the king. The United States did not hide that it was financing the Contras, UNITA, and with the latter, in general, the paradox of weapons received from North Korea, the Cubans defended the Debirs mines and the Shel and Mobil oil refineries.
                    1. Lynx2000
                      Lynx2000 13 March 2021 11: 17
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                      Tell me who was in the ranks of the mujahideen in Afghanistan, only Afghans, no, Arabs, Pakistanis, Muslims from Africa, etc.?
                      Your Vietnam example is not correct.
                      In Iran, trade and industrial cooperation with the USSR was under Mossadegh.
                      What does it mean under the kings and shahs there was Soviet rule ?! Where when?!
                      Your thesis: Egypt, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Iran, there were wars everywhere, and long before the 90-2000s, I do not understand.
                      No one has demonstrated anything to the Arab monarchies. Nothing was overthrown in Jordan. Jordan has no claims against the Arab monarchies, nor are they against Jordan.
                      Would you like to say about Yemen?
                      Do you remember the periods when Libya and Egypt were friends of the USSR, and when they turned their ass to us, and to face the United States? Do you think that the Arab monarchies, Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Egypt and now "friends" of Israel? However, it is currently run by the United States.
                      By the way, secret operations to support the so-called. terrorist organizations from the United States in the 60s - 70s are not widely publicized. If you are in the know, enlighten me, very interesting.
                      1. Shiden
                        Shiden 13 March 2021 12: 27
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                        Quote: Lynx2000
                        Do you really think that the United States did not finance radical movements in Islamic countries in the 70s? Also, you probably think that in Latin America the Americans did not sponsor and prepared "any contra"? Or in Africa?
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                        This is your quote.
                        Quote: Shiden
                        You can list the organizations that were funded by the US in the 70s, I'm very interested.

                        And this is my quote. And now you again demand what I do not know about, but you apparently know once asking this question. The Ho She Minh trail passed through the territory of Laos and Cambodia and guarded it not only by the Viet Cong, this is about correctness. My thesis that you do not understand I have listed the conflicts in which these countries participated, you can find all in Wikipedia. In Jordan, after the assassination of the king, a Palestinian rebellion broke out in the mosque and the new king threw them into Lebanon. So there are no claims of Jordan to the Arab monarchies and Israel.
                      2. Lynx2000
                        Lynx2000 13 March 2021 13: 04
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                        It seems that you "shield" the Americans with noble ones in "white gloves" ...
                        I briefly reported on the participation of the United States in radical organizations during the 60s and 70s.
                        I would like to receive a detailed answer from you.
                        Do you think the Americans were in Laos in the late 60s and early 70s? Do you know the conflict between Cambodia (Kampuchea) and communist Vietnam? Who guarded this path?
                        Wikipedia is not the ultimate truth for me! By the way, the recent trend is not comme il faut to refer to Wikipedia data.
                        wink Rule of operational work: having received information from one source, it is necessary to check it from at least three sources that are not related to each other. If the ratio is 2 to 2, you need to double-check the information received.
                        laughing
                        For Jordan I wrote to you about the absence of a claim, however, geographically, it was easier to throw the Palestinians out of Jordan into Palestine, and not into Lebanon through Syria.

                        Py.Sy. I consider further correspondence not constructive. You don’t give answers to my questions.
                      3. Shiden
                        Shiden 13 March 2021 13: 41
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                        Quote: Lynx2000
                        I briefly reported on the participation of the United States in radical organizations during the 60s and 70s.
                        I would like to receive a detailed answer from you.

                        Yes, the dialogue will not work directly if I did not receive an answer to my question about which radical Islamic organizations the United States financed in the 70s and still have to give you an answer. Or maybe you will not briefly list those organizations in detail. The conflict between Kampuchea and Vietnam happened in general after the departure of the Americans. Well, if Wikipedia is not true, and it is clear why you have such a spread over the years, you begin to attract the past tenses into today's realities. I'm not shielding anyone, I'm just tired of it when the story is so twisted that black becomes white, and white is the other way around. And the USA and the USSR had their own skeletons in the closet. And the article is written in the same spirit, everywhere external enemies are to blame. And the leadership of the USSR has nothing to do with it. Just imagine how many housing they could build with the money that the country's leadership gave to all its friends, but not any benefit.
    2. icant007
      icant007 12 March 2021 11: 00
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      Quote: Shiden
      As far as I remember, the USSR Embassy was in Islamabad and representatives were not taken hostage.


      The military attaché was killed in 1984 or 86.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 11 March 2021 20: 34
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    The late USSR began to rely too much on the purchase and copying of Western technologies. The logic was simple: we will sell oil, we will buy everything we need in the West.

    It should be noted that the modern Russian Federation has fallen into the same trap since the 2000s, only the situation is much worse. Since even the late Union
    In fairness, I would also note the fact that the state of affairs in the Russian Federation at the beginning of the XNUMXs was much worse than in the late Soviet Union ...
    These plans coincided with the aspirations of the Saudis. With the help of the Anglo-Saxons, they manufactured an "export commodity" - "black" Islam, blood-cruel and irreconcilable, flavored with dollars, weapons and terrorists. This is how "world terrorism" was born.
    Yes, the Union would not cooperate with this abomination. Only the West is capable of this ...
    Is it? Doesn't the Russian Federation, represented by its head, actively cooperate with Saudi Arabia, Jordan, emirates - states that were ... and remain breeding grounds, incubators of radical Islamists? sad
  • 1536
    1536 13 March 2021 14: 03
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    Yes, what are the southern borders of Russia? Isn't it time to pay attention to Central Russia, because, the hour is not right and "Great Turan" (or whatever it is?) Near Moscow may find itself with such and such a "policy".
  • Polymer
    Polymer 14 March 2021 18: 45
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    Samsonov Alexander is easy to recognize "by his gait". In the article, however, everything almost true, but the essence of the link between the KSA and the United States is not fully disclosed. And it is that the Saudis agreed to sell their oil only for US dollars. The rest of the exporters of hydrocarbons were forced to follow the same rule. Hence the "petrodollar", hence the economic "power" of the United States.
    If the Saudis had kicked up at least once and wanted to sell their oil for their own riyals, they would have instantly discovered "a lack of democracy." Iran - no less oil-rich country - refused to obey American rules, so it is still among the worst enemies of the United States and its vassals. Well, further down the list: Iraq, Libya, Syria ...
  • Lister
    Lister 29 March 2021 17: 23
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    The symbol of Soviet society was an energetic, physically, intellectually and morally developed person.

    Now the symbol has become a bourgeois bloodsucker, an effective manager.
  • Lister
    Lister 29 March 2021 17: 24
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    The union of the past came out against the world of the future.

    And he won with the help of the fifth column and the depraved party nomenklatura who imagined themselves to be the "world elite".
  • Lister
    Lister 29 March 2021 17: 25
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    The combat effectiveness of their troops was extremely low, which remains to this day.

    What the Houthis clearly prove bully
    In vain the sheikhs contacted the Americans and believed them.
  • Lister
    Lister 29 March 2021 17: 26
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    As for oil and currency ... In 1985, the USSR's income from foreign economic activity was only 18,2%. Now only oil and gas revenues in the federal budget of Russia amount to approximately 39% at the end of 2019.
    Sources of my information on the USSR https://istmat.info/node/18774
    по России https://minfin.gov.ru/ru/statistics/fedbud/execute/?id_65=80041-yezhegodnaya_informatsiya_ob_ispolnenii_federalnogo_byudzhetadannye_s_1_yanvarya_2006_g. и https://www.rbc.ru/economics/22/08/2019/5d555e4b9a7947aed7a185de