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"Where is the flounder, lad?": Visits of NATO military instructors against the background of a clear aggravation of the situation in Donbass

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Against the background of an obvious aggravation of the situation in Donbass, “friends of Ukraine” from various NATO countries reached the region. Visits to the so-called zone of operation of the joint forces by NATO military instructors were also observed before the renewed intensification of hostilities, which cannot but raise questions.


It became known that a delegation of the British Armed Forces visited the Donbass the other day. The British military, in particular, proceeded to the area of ​​the Mayorskoye checkpoint, assessed the situation near the line of contact, visited the positions of the Ukrainian troops and, as reported by the JFO command, “assessed the effectiveness of training the personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine”. We are talking about the Western system of training Ukrainian military personnel, called ORBITAL.

This system has been operating in relation to the Ukrainian military since 2015. And during its operation, British military instructors trained more than 22,5 thousand military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. At least that's what the official reports say.



And the British are by no means the only NATO representatives who train the Ukrainian military, including in the conduct of hostilities in urban areas, sabotage on roads, bridges, and other critical infrastructure. The Ukrainian military was trained (are being taught) by instructors from the armies of the USA, Canada, Poland, Lithuania and other countries. The most active training is carried out at the Yavoriv training ground in the Lviv region with a command post in Starichi - with the subsequent practical training of skills all in the same OOS zone. This is the so-called training center for peacekeeping units.

Since when, interestingly, peacekeeping units have been teaching firing from Javelin anti-tank systems and firing from NATO-caliber mortars with a departure to the zone where the ceasefire is officially in force, is a big question.



Thus, in Ukraine, in fact, a "explosive mixture" of the former system of military personnel training, including in the military universities of the country, and the NATO system, when classes are conducted by instructor groups from different countries, have formed in Ukraine. They are stubbornly trying to get rid of the Soviet system, but it is at least difficult to do this, because the lion's share of the armament of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is weapon Soviet model. As a result, the North Atlantic training system is superimposed on it, usually affecting the training of small units (most often, sabotage).

A well-known video is running on the network, which users called "Where is the kambula?" There, an African fighter “loses” a grenade and hears “juicy instructions” addressed to him. Due to the fact that the "new" Ukrainian army is being trained by foreign specialists, some of whom (for example, American officers), after returning from the territory of Ukraine, speak unflatteringly about the Ukrainian "cadets", it is just right to say that this meme is also relevant for the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... A kind of variant "Where is the flounder, lad? .." - "Flew to the east" (judging by the training).

The OSCE either does not notice the movement of Ukrainian equipment to the demarcation line, or as a result, reflecting the facts, does not particularly reflect on this matter.

It is worth recalling the statement of the American officer Robert Tracy, who instructed the Ukrainian military in 2018-2019. Tracy has long been indignant about the fact that Ukrainian training fighters "cannot learn at least something really in English." According to the US Army officer, "we also need a platoon of translators to convey to everyone what is needed." Tracy added that there were frequent cases of drunkenness at the training ground, when the Ukrainian military in the morning "could hardly stand on their feet."

However, you can discuss the opinion of Western instructors about the Ukrainian military for as long as you like, but the fact remains: the NATO training system continues to be introduced into the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard of Ukraine. The Ukrainian military receives, albeit infrequently, NATO weapons, which they use against Donbass. The Ukrainian military, as already noted, continues to be trained to commit sabotage and terrorist attacks. At the same time, the Ukrainian political leadership continues to remain under the full control of the US authorities and American special services. All this taken together leads to the fact that the armed conflict in Donbass not only does not fade away, but also flares up with renewed vigor.

So, on the eve of the Ukrainian military attacked the village of Kashtanovoye near Yasinovataya. In the direction of the village, over a dozen mines were fired from an 82 mm mortar. Also, the Ukrainian army again began shelling the western suburbs of Donetsk from various types of weapons. The Novoazovskoe direction is also being fired upon. The village of Leninskoye was under fire. Moreover, the intensity of the fire was comparable to the intensity of 2-3 years ago.

Here is such a "flounder" ...
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  1. figwam
    figwam 8 March 2021 08: 53
    +3
    When the fields dry up, then they will probably start.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 8 March 2021 09: 40
      +10
      Quote: figvam
      When the fields dry up, then they will probably start.

      Maybe. But, the fields will dry out on both sides.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 8 March 2021 11: 53
        +5
        It should be borne in mind that in Ukraine on February 20, 2018, the Law on Amendments to the Constitution of Ukraine on the course in the EU and NATO came into force.
        Moreover, according to the text of this law, the preamble to the Constitution now contains the wording about "the European identity of the Ukrainian people and the irreversibility of the European and Euro-Atlantic course of Ukraine."
        Article 102 of the Constitution of Ukraine changes the powers of the President, and The PRESIDENT becomes "the guarantor of the implementation of the strategic course of the state for the acquisition of full membership in the European Union and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization."
        Also EXCLUDED clause transitional provisions of the Constitution, which provides for the lease of Ukrainian military bases by foreign states.
        This is directed primarily against the Russian Navy base in Sevastopol. And what will actually be with the military bases of the USA and NATO countries? This is the question. They'll just call them something else.

        The draft law on amendments to the Constitution was proposed by the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko and was taken as a whole as a basis for voting in parliament by 334 deputies with the minimum required 300. And before that, the Constitutional Court of Ukraine approved this draft law, recognizing it as complying with the Basic Law of the country. And on February 19, 2018, the document was signed by President Poroshenko.

        TOTAL No change in the foreign policy course of post-Poroshenko Ukraine from aggressive to peaceful - under Zelensky or another president of Ukraine - there is no need to think at the present time!
        Things are heading for a big war.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 8 March 2021 11: 57
          +2
          Quote: Tatiana
          TOTAL. At the present time, there is no need to think about any change from the aggressive to peaceful foreign policy course of the post-Poroshenko Ukraine - under Zelensky or under another president of Ukraine!
          Things are heading for a big war.

          It is a pity that Putin does not read VO. Maybe they will give it to him winked
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 8 March 2021 12: 04
            +2
            Quote: Terenin
            Quote: Tatiana
            TOTAL. At the present time, there is no need to think about any change from the aggressive to peaceful foreign policy course of the post-Poroshenko Ukraine - under Zelensky or under another president of Ukraine!
            Things are heading for a big war.
            It is a pity that Putin does not read VO. Maybe they will give it to him winked

            Putin knows this better than you and me - and the Russian Federation is not idle!
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 8 March 2021 15: 05
              +1
              All recent facts add up to the obvious. It seems that someone has decided that the "kambulists" are ready enough to die heroically. And who should prepare a worthy answer.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 8 March 2021 16: 25
                +1
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                All recent facts add up to the obvious. It seems that someone has decided that the "kambulists" are ready enough to die heroically. And who should prepare a worthy answer.

                Yes exactly!
                When it comes to the theater of military operations, it almost always turns out the same way as in performances on stage. Namely.
                If in the 1st act of the play a gun hangs on the wall of the theatrical scenery or is in some other way present, then in theatrical performance the gun is intended to shoot at the play - and it will certainly shoot!
                Unfortunately, in real life, everything ends not with a fake - but really bloody and with death.
              2. Achilles
                Achilles 8 March 2021 17: 17
                +9
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                All recent facts add up to the obvious. It seems that someone has decided that the "kambulists" are ready enough to die heroically. And who should prepare a worthy answer.

                Do not underestimate the Ukrainian army of 2021, and the army in 2014-2016, these are completely different armies and with different training and equipment and equipment (I often hear that we (DPR and LPR) broke in on them in 2014-2016 and now we will break, The Armenians also said that before the last war, the Armenians won local and not only different wars against Azerbaijan, and we all know the result). Those guys who fought in the Donbass and returned (and various correspondents, experts) say that the DPR still does not have serious fortifications, there are trenches, dugouts and everything (for drones, all these are just targets). In the DPR and LPR there is a continuous plain, this is not Korobakh, where there are mountains and gorges, here everything can be decided by several hours of hard battle and a breakthrough, and after that, there will be a completely different war. No one doubts the courage of the DPR and LPR warriors, everything is much more complicated. I am almost sure that without the direct support of Russia, the DPR and LPR this time it will be difficult to resist. I hope the leadership of our country will have enough determination to help the DPR and LPR in difficult times.
                1. Vladimir Mashkov
                  Vladimir Mashkov 8 March 2021 17: 31
                  +3
                  Quote: Achilles
                  Don't underestimate the Ukrainian army of 2021,

                  You're right. But are there people in their right mind who claim that it will there be an easy walk?
                  1. Achilles
                    Achilles 8 March 2021 22: 42
                    +4
                    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                    You're right. But are there people in their right mind who claim that this will be an easy walk?

                    There are people who seriously think about hating, now there are many different forums, reports, videos about what is brewing in the east of Ukraine, and you read the comments and understand that there are such people
                    1. Lara Croft
                      Lara Croft 14 March 2021 20: 28
                      0
                      Quote: Achilles
                      There are people who seriously think about hating, there are people

                      Eco You are so vulnerable. Shapkozakidstvo comes from all sides, some said that they would take Kuev, others about the parade in Sevastopol ... everyone believes in their regilia ...
                2. bk316
                  bk316 9 March 2021 15: 05
                  +1
                  I am almost sure that without the direct support of Russia, the DPR and LPR this time it will be difficult to resist.

                  Almost certainly. The task of the RF Armed Forces is to return everything to the previous situation: to knock out the UAV, the art reconnaissance station, if necessary, the remnants of the 404 aviation.
        2. parusnik
          parusnik 8 March 2021 13: 11
          +2
          Things are heading for a big war.
          Therefore, the ruble is not stable and the prices for everything are growing uncontrollably. And here is a big war. smile
        3. Mwg
          Mwg 9 March 2021 06: 16
          0
          "At the same time, according to the text of this law, the preamble to the Constitution now contains the wording about" the European identity of the Ukrainian people and the irreversibility of the European and Euro-Atlantic course of Ukraine. " - and what is the manifestation of "European identity"? From my point of view, "European identity" in this case is very similar to "belonging to the Aryan race"
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 9 March 2021 06: 34
            +1
            Quote: MVG
            and what is the manifestation of "European identity"?

            European identity is the commitment of Ukrainians to "European values" as the commitment of Europeans to the "American democracy" of the transatlantic spill with all its LGBT people, Russophobia, the possibility of Ukrainians to visa-free guest workers throughout the EU and serves as a battering ram for NATO countries in the US war with Russia.
            1. Mwg
              Mwg 9 March 2021 06: 37
              0
              Thank you, of course, for the clarification, but without going into deep reasoning about the cause-and-effect relationships of phenomena and their manifestations, I will say this: this is a new form of manifestation of fascism in its crystal-clear form.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 9 March 2021 06: 54
                +4
                Quote: MVG
                this is a new form of manifestation of fascism in its crystal-clear form.
                Of course, you can say so, just like you!

                In Ukraine, external management carried out from Washington.
                At the same time, Germany, Poland, the Netherlands, Tribaltia, Turkey, etc. are taking over from the United States in the management of Ukraine.

                This is what "American democracy" looks like.
        4. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich 10 March 2021 06: 59
          +1
          Tatiana, I'm not a nationalist, but I just know history quite well. But proceeding from the "courage and patriotism" of the neighboring people, I can assume that they can shout, jump, mislead. No doubt about it. But to fight ... I'm not sure. It's not like scrubbing toilets in Europe .. And they haven't forgotten boilers yet ..
    2. sheet
      sheet 8 March 2021 11: 45
      +3
      Quote: figvam
      When the fields dry up, then they will probably start.

      It's not just the fields that need to dry out lol
      1. dSK
        dSK 8 March 2021 12: 25
        0
        Recognition of the independence of Donbass in the event of a repeat of 2015 will bury the Minsk agreements that preserve the integrity of Ukraine.
        But the United States needs constant wars around its perimeter to blackmail Russia ...
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 14 March 2021 20: 32
          0
          Quote: dsk
          Recognition of the independence of Donbass in the event of a repeat of 2015

          Donbass will be recognized by the Russian Federation only if it expands within the entire Left-Bank Ukraine, and this is possible only in the event of an attack by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on Donbass ...
  2. Insurgent
    Insurgent 8 March 2021 09: 01
    +6
    "Where is the flounder, lad?": Visits of NATO military instructors against the background of a clear aggravation of the situation in Donbass

    The origin of the famous expression - "Where is the flounder" is well described lol good ... It remains to add that the Russian instructor, "on his own," added only obscene accompaniment to the actions of a negligent Arab, and the word "flounder" itself is the Arabic meaning of a grenade pronounced in Russian.

    Therefore, and proceeding from the fact that "garni lads" Arabic is not reasonable, NATO members will have to "invent" something of their own to communicate with the natives.

    Moreover, the meme, the Kambulya trademark, has already been staked out for Russian instructors. fellow
  3. Borz
    Borz 8 March 2021 09: 06
    +7
    The authority of the army, its morale, is based on victories, successful military operations, personnel training, etc. And what about the horses? Boilers, two requests for an armistice in connection with large losses, insurmountable stupidity and roguism of the personnel, ineradicable drunkenness and a farm mentality. NATO instructors can conduct trainings and exercises as much as they like, but you can't beat a whip - an unmotivated and demoralized herd cannot be a combat-ready unit. Yes, there are in the composition of the armed forces, special forces, the level of training of which is above average, but the past defeats of 2014-2015 showed that this is a drop in the ocean.
    1. Siberian54
      Siberian54 8 March 2021 11: 44
      +1
      Did you forget: two downed "passengers" ..
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 8 March 2021 11: 48
      +7
      Quote: Borz
      unmotivated and demoralized herd by a combat-ready unit

      But here, I mean the word "motivated", you are mistaken.
      They consider Donbass their land, which they are trying to take away from them. The need to take your own is not motivation? What would you do if you were in their place?
      So there is motivation. After all, the overwhelming majority of them do not even think about why it so happened that Donbass left them. They believe that his taken away.
      1. Borz
        Borz 8 March 2021 12: 48
        +5
        I accept your statement. Yes, the politicized command is motivated to go to war and "return" Donbass. But the trench "meat" does not want to fight, all their motivation is looting and the opportunity to earn a couple of thousand hryvnias in the absence of work in civilian life.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 8 March 2021 13: 01
          +2
          Quote: Borz
          I accept your statement. Yes, the politicized command is motivated to go to war and "return" Donbass. But the trench "meat" does not want to fight, all their motivation is looting and the opportunity to earn a couple of thousand hryvnias in the absence of work in civilian life.

          Not only the "politicized command", but also among the "trench meat" there are patriots of their Motherland. And in the Nazi battalions (which are volunteer) they are practically all. This must be taken into account.
          .
          Quote: Borz
          all their motivation is looting and the opportunity to earn a couple

          So where can we go without it? It does not interfere.
    3. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 8 March 2021 21: 45
      +4
      "The authority of the army, its morale, is based on victories" ////
      ----
      Victories are often discouraging and lead to defeats.
      A recent example is Karabakh. Armenian army reveled in victory in Karabakh
      90s, relied on her high fighting spirit and patriotism.
      And suffered a crushing defeat.
      Losing sides seek revenge, train hard, change weapons
      modern instead of "reliable and proven obsolete" .... and
      have a chance of success.
      (Remember the defeat at Narva and the victory at Poltava of the Russian army
      Peter the Great).
    4. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 14 March 2021 20: 35
      0
      Quote: Borz
      The authority of the army, its morale, is based on victories, successful military operations, personnel training, etc. And what about the horses? Cauldrons, two requests for an armistice due to heavy losses,

      Well, the Russian Federation, in the same hands, as it won the VChV ..... it all depends on what is at stake ...
  4. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 8 March 2021 09: 06
    +5
    Where shaves appear, wait for water.
    1. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 8 March 2021 09: 14
      +3
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Where shaves appear, wait for water.

      Not a catch, but some meanness or abomination! yes
      1. dorz
        dorz 8 March 2021 11: 22
        +1
        "Where is the flounder, lad?"


        And Tolyan has changed, you just can't recognize it right away. laughing

  5. svoit
    svoit 8 March 2021 09: 24
    +1

    Quote: Borz
    unmotivated and demoralized herd

    In order for it to become such, it is still necessary to work, it is the mistakes in the psychological war that affect very painfully
  6. paul3390
    paul3390 8 March 2021 09: 29
    +8
    Interesting - and at least someone has ever been helped by the type of NATO training? Something like that right away and do not remember .. On the contrary - they are usually trained by Western standards with stars and raked ..
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 8 March 2021 09: 39
      +10
      Quote: paul3390
      Interesting - and at least someone has ever been helped by the type of NATO training? Something like that right away and do not remember ..

      Why not remember? On 08.08.08, NATO training helped the Georgians quickly escape from the distribution of gifts from the bag. Indeed, according to NATO rules, the fighter's own carcass is the most important thing, so the Georgians threw everything they could to make it easier to run and "retreated in an organized manner."
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  8. Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 8 March 2021 09: 34
    0
    Shitty Kambula.
  9. beeper
    beeper 8 March 2021 09: 39
    +1
    In Ukraine, they talked about such nonsense: "Nama cabs!" wassat
    Which, in principle, is consonant with "flounder", and means "headlessness"! fool

    Washington-dependent foreign "instructors" from the "civilizing countries" of the cannibalistic NATO bloc, systematic raids (even from the gangster "intersafari" of the Kiev "Euromaidan", from 2013-14, as well as the Polish and Lithuanian "special forces", the Nazis mercenaries) "practicing" in the Donbass "in killing Russians", as well as their "papedniks" - Hitler's "pan-European" (and even then, not only European, but also American, and Canadian-Australian Nazi volunteers served in the Wehrmacht!) "occupiers, have a "mental vulnerability" - are very sensitive to their own losses ... winked
  10. bbss
    bbss 8 March 2021 09: 40
    0
    I watched the video. It is something!!!
  11. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 8 March 2021 09: 44
    -5
    the Ukrainian army started shelling again

    So it seems that the Donetsk people announced that they would shoot to suppress, and where?
  12. Ros 56
    Ros 56 8 March 2021 10: 21
    0
    I won't get it right, so who instructs whom in the end? Pans from NATO or a heap? fellow laughing
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 8 March 2021 10: 43
      +3
      Quote: Ros 56
      I won't get it right, so who instructs whom in the end? Pans from NATO or a heap?

      Judging by the army in Congress, instructors from the Maidan trained the United States ... There, the police had time to train how to handle the Untermensch:

      Epic picture. Judging by the vastness of the pool of blood that leaked from the ear - there is no eardrum burst, the cops screwed up the guy's eyes - and did not even poke around
  13. rocket757
    rocket757 8 March 2021 10: 37
    +3
    It became known that the other day the Donbass was visited by a delegation of the British Armed Forces

    Where can we go without these provocateurs ...
    And so it is clear, crows flock, smell ... a stench.
  14. Tagan
    Tagan 8 March 2021 10: 39
    +2
    Quote: Borz
    The authority of the army, its morale, is based on victories, successful military operations, personnel training, etc. And what about the horses? Boilers, two requests for an armistice due to heavy losses

    But you must admit that this is already a kind of tradition. Someone win, and someone lose.))
    1. Borz
      Borz 8 March 2021 23: 52
      +1
      I agree. The strong win. To the defeated-grief
  15. north 2
    north 2 8 March 2021 10: 41
    +8
    speaking of the Ukrainian people, which, as often writes, does not support the clearly Russophobic and
    Bender’s power that hates Russia, but on a jump, the first in the head now
    comes two completely Russian surnames. These are the current heads of the SBU and the Ministry. Health of Ukraine Ivan Bakanov and Maxim Stepanov. So they are the last time such hatred for Russia stinks that not every true Bandera with a Ukrainian surname is so Russophobic.
    stinks. And how many such Bakanovs and Stepanovs are in the commanders of regiments and battalions of the Ukrainian army. I'm here about the fact that this Ukrainian people is already full of Russians with positions and ranks who will crawl in front of NATO instructors and in front of the ideology of Bandera and will shoot
    in the residents of Donbass. That's where the abscess is ...
    1. Siberian54
      Siberian54 8 March 2021 11: 52
      +2
      the Ukrainian people are Lenin and other politicians of the late nineteenth with the Austrians .. before it is the Russians with South Russian surnames and for a hundred years the invented nation has not really formed yet, it has a loose structure, on the outskirts there is a civil war between Western and Eastern Russians (by religion), diluted by Polish-Russian mestizos.
    2. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 10 March 2021 07: 06
      0
      This dirt should have been burned out a long time ago. WWII veterans were terrorized in Lviv every year on May 9th. History textbooks have been rewritten for 25 years. And what is the result? Have you summoned the ambassador? The Kremlin reacted silently to everything. Now, as they say, "get it and sign it."
  16. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 8 March 2021 12: 08
    +3
    Chubates probably already squeal with delight. White gentlemen have come to teach how to die with greater efficiency for their interests. And not like the last suckers on their mines.))
  17. Dimon klewort
    Dimon klewort 8 March 2021 16: 55
    0
    BEAUTIFULLY WRITTEN.
  18. RealPilot
    RealPilot 8 March 2021 17: 29
    0
    Quote: figvam
    When the fields dry up, then they will probably start.

    Yes. The fields will melt ... And there will be a "flounder"! With juicy verbal accompaniment.
  19. Reviews
    Reviews 8 March 2021 18: 22
    +5
    It is clear that in any language one can find funny or ridiculous-sounding words, but he could not resist. Sorry. :)
    1. Kapkan
      Kapkan 9 March 2021 06: 07
      +1
      You are very cruel ...
  20. Azimuth
    Azimuth 8 March 2021 20: 32
    +6
    Thus, in Ukraine, in fact, a "explosive mixture" of the former system of military personnel training, including in the military universities of the country, and the NATO system, when classes are conducted by instructor groups from different countries, have formed in Ukraine. They are stubbornly trying to get rid of the Soviet system, but this is at least difficult to do, because the lion's share of the Armed Forces' weapons are Soviet-style weapons. As a result, the North Atlantic training system is superimposed on it, usually affecting the training of small units (most often, sabotage).
    The conclusion of the author in this paragraph smiled a little ... Directly the armament plays practically no role, that there a fighter in the hands of an M4 or AK74 does not matter what the same battalion will fight on, riding on an BTR-80 BTR or on a Piranha BTR by and large in the training of individual servicemen or officers does not have ANY value, the tactics of actions of an individual soldier, squad, platoon, company, battalion, fire units are important.

    Speaking about "issues of training small units (most often, sabotage)" the author is somewhat mistaken. To understand the methodology that NATO members proposed to the Ukrainians and the system by which they train individual units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, what kind of hostilities await us in the Donbas in the future, it is enough to look and analyze the experience of the last war in the Transcaucasus. The army of one of the parties, the Azerbaijani, was also trained by NATO troops and not only by Turks, but also by the same Americans, British, etc.
    Fully professional special forces units were prepared, consisting of officers and warrant officers, while there was a strict selection, out of a hundred pre-selected 5-7% passed all stages. These are exactly the same units referred to by the author as "(most often, sabotage)", and both officers and warrant officers from units of this kind of special forces also served as a personnel base for army reconnaissance units and special purpose units (airborne, marines, etc. etc.) also staffed with professionals, in the case of the Transcaucasus, there were no contract soldiers in our understanding, but we are talking about over-conscripts. The latter is familiar to us, those who served in the GSVG and Eastern Europe during the USSR.
    How did the fighting go? - mixed spetsnaz units, often with attached intelligence units of the units in whose area of ​​responsibility they were operating. Such subunits, with a total strength of up to 30-35 people, captured fortified areas, individual posts and commanding heights, conducted reconnaissance and artillery fire adjustments, and directed strike UAVs. Having completed the task, the special forces transferring the positions to the linear units, went forward or were withdrawn to the rear. At the same time, groups of up to 8 people acted deep in the rear carrying out reconnaissance and correction. Another tactic was used, the special forces units created gaps in the enemy's defense into which the linear units were already wedging in and developing the offensive.
    It seems to be nothing new, except for one thing - the number of special forces, it is very high taking into account the size of the armed forces in general, and even more so taking into account the size of the theater of military operations.

    Now let's look at the APU. They are saturated with anti-tank weapons, systems for counter-battery warfare, modern communication systems, Turkish attack UAVs familiar to us from the Transcaucasus and Syria are beginning to enter their armament, and with the localization of production, the rate of their production, and, accordingly, the number in service will be quite high. The Armed Forces of Ukraine had problems with artillery, judging by the latest news and activities are underway in this direction, it is worth remembering only the last batch of 2S1 ACS.
    What will we see in the future war? - everything is the same as in the Caucasus, at the forefront will be special forces reinforced by army reconnaissance and airmobile units, artillery will work, the sky will be behind the UAV. I think they will rely more on artillery along our borders and put up anti-tank barriers, UAVs will operate outside the reach of the air defense missile system from our territory. In a scenario similar to the Transcaucasian one, the "volunteers" and the local "police" have NO chances. Only divisions of the regular army will be able to interrupt such tactics, and we are talking about special forces, that is, the war can go out into the open.
    1. SIT
      SIT 8 March 2021 23: 02
      +5
      Do you call these units special forces as a tribute to fashion? The SPN quietly came, quietly completed the task and quietly left. At the same time, everyone thought that there was an accident, a man-made accident, etc. But where the SPN works, they are not suckers either.
      Everyone around is just repeating: "Saboteurs, saboteurs!" And I don't want my regiment to even hear about saboteurs. I don't recognize them. If the protection is carried out correctly, there can be no saboteurs. (C) Brigade Commander Serpilin "The Living and the Dead" K. Simonov. It was with this that the Armenians had problems. The role of SPN groups is greatly exaggerated. Straight rambs are invulnerable. If the service is set as it should be, then 1 shot from someone from the group and they only have a few hours to live. All hope is that during this time the group will have time to reach the point of evacuation. But this is unlikely ... (C) Red Army soldier Sukhov.
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 9 March 2021 01: 25
      -1
      Quote: Azimuth
      What will we see in the future war? - everything is the same as in Transcaucasia

      Naturally, the instructors are the same. American / British / Turkish. About a month ago, Turkish instructors were spotted at the border of the DPR.
      Quote: Azimuth
      Only divisions of the regular army will be able to interrupt such tactics, and we are talking about special forces, that is, the war can go out into the open.

      The main thing is that we need missile and bomb strikes on strike groups and deep rear of Ukraine, destroying their air force and air defense before that. With a sufficiently powerful blow, you can do without a serious ground operation.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 14 March 2021 20: 52
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        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        The main thing is that we need missile and bomb strikes on strike groups and deep rear of Ukraine, destroying their air force and air defense before that.

        With any intensity of hostilities in Donbass, the Russian Federation itself will suffer, in the sense of its civil and military infrastructure and its citizens on the territory of the Russian Federation itself ...
    3. Ptolemy Lag
      Ptolemy Lag 9 March 2021 12: 21
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      In the DPR, fighters are also not made with a finger ...
  21. SIT
    SIT 8 March 2021 23: 22
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    In no way do I want to belittle the abilities and experience of NATO instructors, but the question arises - where did they get the experience of urban battles in cities with a population of over one million like Donetsk and even half a million like Lugansk? They completely cleaned the unfortunate Fallujah only after a month and a half, and it is smaller than Lugansk and mainly 2- or 3-storey buildings. The advantage of the coalition in personnel was 4 times. There is nothing to say about equipment and weapons. At the same time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will face people who will defend their homes in the truest sense of the word. The city will be prepared for defense. This means that assault teams will have to take every house. There in the headquarters in Kiev, do you imagine what kind of losses it will be? A suicidal adventure that confirms the words of the Italian journalist back in 2014 - the United States will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian soldier.
    1. Azimuth
      Azimuth 9 March 2021 00: 48
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      The city will be prepared for defense, and its defenders?
    2. Gato
      Gato 9 March 2021 13: 28
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      At the same time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will face people who will defend their homes in the truest sense of the word. The city will be prepared for defense. This means that assault teams will have to take every house.

      Here you also need to take into account that in order to clean up the city with assault groups, it must first be completely blocked. And it is unlikely that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be able to do this in relation to Donetsk or Lugansk - most likely it will turn out to be another cauldron, where the assault groups themselves will become the targets of the cleansing.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 14 March 2021 20: 58
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        Quote: Gato
        Here you also need to take into account that in order to clean up the city with assault groups, it must first be completely blocked. And this is unlikely to be done by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in relation to Donetsk or Lugansk

        Both cities are located on the borders of their republics, why the hell should the Armed Forces of Ukraine storm them at all? And the LDNR members, who will defend these cities, are in danger of a boiler ...
        They painted it here, it's just the second Stalingrad, no less ...
  22. Fitter65
    Fitter65 9 March 2021 00: 07
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    And it sounds like a PID training center ... PIDROZDILIV, really a nightingale mova .. laughing laughing laughing
  23. Azimuth
    Azimuth 9 March 2021 00: 46
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    Quote: SIT
    ... The role of special forces groups is greatly exaggerated. Straight rambs are invulnerable. If the service is set as it should be, then 1 shot from someone from the group and they only have a few hours to live. All hope is that during this time the group will have time to reach the evacuation point. But this is unlikely ...
    In this case, we are talking about something else. Having leaked, as if in alphabetical order, what you are writing about, using the factor of surprise, such forward groups subsequently fought to some extent a full-fledged battle in the enemy's position. There are already no "one shots".
    To compare special forces staffed with officers and warrant officers who have undergone the most complex training, where each soldier was polished for 5-6 years with a line unit, where "the service is set as it should be," well, the KVK itself would not.
    From what is already available for study and conclusions, during this war in the Transcaucasus, the special forces performed the main work, but also suffered quite high losses. Losses were mainly from the Armenian artillery in that period of time, while the special forces held their positions until they were transferred to line units.
    On the one hand, it is wasteful to lay such fighters, each of whom takes years to train, but on the other hand, it is at their expense that Azerbaijanis advancing on prepared positions, and even in mountainous terrain, as a result, have losses equal or even smaller. Armenian.
  24. Let's go to the world
    Let's go to the world 12 March 2021 01: 46
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    The shot, in the marasmic spirit of the times - a blonde lady explains to the peasants what's what, the obligatory black extra is also in place. To be honest, there is not enough disabled person, but there will be a lot of them after an attempt to unleash a mess on dried up fields, as well as representatives of sexual minorities with rich submissive experience. Let's say vegetarians and eco-activists are also present here ("green"). But still, there is not enough someone on a body-positive. Apparently they will also appear after the blitzkrieg - as prisoners of war in the prisons of the LPR and the Russian Federation, where they will be fattened up as brutal torture - remember Savchenko and Sentsov ...