"They slow down the process of acceptance of Leopard 2 tanks into service": in Poland, they announced excessive demands on the part of the command

In total, this year, the Polish army may enter service with 18 tanks Leopard 2PL upgraded. Of these, five combat vehicles will arrive within the next month.

This publication is reported by the Director of the Department of Communications and Marketing Polska armory group (PGZ) Ilona Kachnyars.

She noted that the ability to supply is affected by the need for repairs and the availability of necessary spare parts. The modernization was carried out by the Polish plant ZM Bumar-Labedy.

At this enterprise operating in Poland, they announced "strict requirements" that hinder the process of accepting Leopard 2 tanks into service. Earlier, several tanks did not pass acceptance due to non-compliance with the requirements of the Polish Armed Forces and the provisions specified in the contract.

As noted by the representative of PGZ, the delivery of tanks is also slowed down by excessively high procedural requirements of the command. In particular, five tanks, which the army will receive in the near future, were ready for transfer back in December last year. But until now they have not been put into the army. The company says it will have ten tanks ready by the end of March.

A total of 142 Leopard 2 (Leopard 2A4) tanks will be upgraded to version 2 PL. Their delivery should be completed in 2023.

The modernization provides for the installation of hinged composite armor, improvement of the ballistic protection of the tower, replacement of a number of hydraulic mechanisms with electrical ones, installation of surveillance cameras and other works.

Comments

[Gennady Fomkin]

Well, do this:

[Aerodrome]

normal "military representatives" usually "screw up" manufacturers, and this is normal.

[TermNachTer]

Usually, military representatives are paid by the plant))) a service car with a driver, for the boss, others are also not offended)))

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: TermNachTER

Usually, military representatives are paid by the plant)))

Our military representatives, who were ALL the Soviet period and I found them in their professional activities in the 90s, "sat on the salary" and on the ranks in the Ministry of Defense. These were representatives of the customer (MO) at the manufacturing plant. As a rule, they are major lieutenant colonels, most of them are "jackets", but engineers are very competent in their sector of responsibility. The plant, of course, tried to "accept it well", but this did not affect the right military representatives.

As soon as the institute of military representatives was destroyed, our missiles began to fall for no reason. And "Rogozin is to blame for everything." But what does Rogozin have to do with killing the SYSTEM?

He worked in Tyuratam, at the Gagarin start, at the other three sites. I twist the nuts - there is a man in the back in the same overalls as mine. I'm not familiar. We distinguished them from ours, business travelers, by their clean overalls and by the arrows on the overalls. And they also stayed in their bunch and in the shift bus - "mom", did not talk to anyone - they stayed in the tail of the passenger compartment. And in the evening the military representative, the lieutenant colonel, calls me and asks: "Nut 90875-41 had to be tightened by 90 kg with a torque wrench. You tightened by 115 on the dynamometer. For what purpose and on the instructions of what intelligence?"

That is why our rockets did not fall. They fell, of course, but not without reason. And as for "lack of funding" - such in Soviet rocketry, anyone, like me, as a little bit, worked there, we do not remember ...

[saygon66]

- At our factory, the military representative could walk on the tool cabinets ...
- Drills, incisors piled up in a bunch - to the head of the shop, to receive a wick ... There were serious people!

[TermNachTer]

The key word is "were". I'm talking about those who are now.

[Real Pilot]

Recently there was information that the Americans offered the Poles to buy Abrams.
And with discounts and subsidies.

Could the delays in acceptance into service also be related to the fact that otherwise the Polish army would have too many tanks? That then Abrams will come out more expensive due to recalculation of the number ...
And how will they sign, and will the "cats" be enrolled in the ranks?

Just a thought based on recent news.

[kytx]

Abrashs from the Poles will appear in any way here to the grandmother do not go
but leo2 why they slow down I do not understand. the car is not cheap and a special version for the Poles

[grandfather_Kostya]

A total of 142 Leopard 2 (Leopard 2A4) tanks will be upgraded to version 2 PL. Their delivery should be completed in 2023.

No, they won't have time, the aggressor will attack earlier. I am surprised at their calmness.

[kit88]

Are they already demanding the return of Danzig?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: grandfather_Kostya

A total of 142 Leopard 2 (Leopard 2A4) tanks will be upgraded to version 2 PL. Their delivery should be completed in 2023.

No, they won't have time, the aggressor will attack earlier. I am surprised at their calmness.

Will 142 tanks, in the event of the "aggression" they dream of, save Poland from the loss of Warsaw? Two missile strikes - I'm not an expert, the Strategic Missile Forces know better than and where to burn. I'm not talking about the loss of statehood - it has already been lost. LOSS OF POLAND as a territory - that's what they need to think about... Moreover, who needs a glass-lined desert with a nuclear strike? Only let them know about the radioactive desert as a "retaliatory strike against the locations of the aggressor forces"... They need to remember this, and not about the mythical "aggressor" ... Putin told them in plain text in Munich a long time ago - they let it go ... But he was not joking.

[APASUS]

Earlier, several tanks did not pass acceptance due to non-compliance with the requirements of the Polish armed forces.

I don’t understand how it is? Poland would buy these tanks for full-value money and then show off, but get used equipment under the assistance program and turn up their nose

[Raven 95]

Well, no matter how, then Poland would not be Poland

[Constanty]

Yes, Poland received the same Leopard 2A4 tanks for the notorious euro. Even for 10 years he used the stocks of the Bundeswehr - no one can hide it.

However, we are talking about a modernization program for 128 (+14) tanks, which cost (including aneski) about $ 2,8 billion. Zloty (about 53 billion rubles), which gives almost $ 5 million each !!!!
And the guano came out.
Partly due to incompetent negotiators on the Polish side who signed a full-fledged contract, partly due to the fault of the Polish subcontractor and partly the German contractor.

[onstar9]

Quote: Constanty

However, we are talking about a modernization program for 128 (+14) tanks, which cost (including aneski) about $ 2,8 billion. Zloty (about 53 billion rubles), which gives almost $ 5 million each !!!!

Something you "overestimated" here .... 2,8 billion dollars for 142 tanks - that's $ 20 million for each. There are no such prices even for the newest tanks, but here it is just modernization ...

[Constanty]

My mistake - it was supposed to be about 2,8 billion. gold

[knn54]

Something anecdote remembered:
There is a guy with apples on Privoz. The price tag says FREE.
A woman from Odessa comes up and asks: Will it not be cheaper ???

[Reserve buildbat]

"Previously, several tanks did not pass acceptance due to non-compliance with the requirements of the Polish Armed Forces and the provisions specified in the contract."
Obvious pests were not accepted! How can you demand some kind of correspondence when it is the sacred tanks of the Geyrosoyuz that have been destroyed by the Panamas!

[Constanty]

If a modernized tank could not withstand the fire of a 125-mm cannon with 3BM-15 ammunition from the mid-70s, what are we talking about?

[Nestor Vlakhovski]

3BM-15

well, at least not a rapier, already progress

[Reserve buildbat]

It does not matter. Don’t you understand - these are the Sacred Tanks of the Geyrosoyuz, and not some kind of tanks of the "Soviet camp", even if these Soviet tanks of 40 years of age are more powerful than the current Gay European

[Cowbra]

Schmecker! Fucking cat!

[Constanty]

Those from Bumar and PGZ are not ashamed!

Several dozen Leopard 2A4 tanks have been standing for several years.
exploded view (some say 60, some say 80) in Gliwice-Labendy. There was really a lot of time to inspect and repair them before modernization.
But Bumar is probably one of the worst defense factories - poor product quality, sloppy staff, ubiquitous crap - like in Ukraine.


The problem with the Leopard 2PL arose when the prototype failed the fire test and the additional armor was worth nothing.
The requirements of the contract were not met - and, contrary to what PGZ writes, they were not at all excessive.
The effect is that the military does not want these machines too much, because they are not an enemy even for the T-72B3M, so trade unions and politicians start to play.

These 5 days of defense, which put the last exercises, are the ultimate dream: one blow and everything will fall apart like a house of cards. Maybe this is good - normalcy will return soon.

[Thrifty]

Konstantin - overalls are not given out there, as I understand it? It looks like a bunch of shabaev who don't even know what they want from them! Alternatively, put armor on the electric car, and count three of these armored cars as one "Leopard"!

[Constanty]

They seem to be spending, but work discipline and control are extremely low.
This is the result of many years of work by the almighty trade unions, which demanded money at these factories, regardless of the results of their work (and even worse, they received money).

[mvg]

because they are not an enemy even for the T-72B3M

Justify, what is there in the T-72B3 unprecedented? That the Leopards are not a hindrance to them? The T-72A / B made its way to the L-7A1 from 1500 m, not to mention all the 829A4, DM11 and LAHAT for 120 mm

[Constanty]

Rather, we are talking about the opposite - after the modernization, it was assumed that the Leopard 2PL would benefit greatly from armor, and the 3BM15 could become a problem (even if it was the so-called "golden shot", what about Mango or Lekalo-M?


Another thing is that a few years ago, during trials in Poland, the American failed to defeat the PT-91 armor by firing from the Abrams and M829 (unfortunately, I don’t remember the version - I would have to check it in the notes) OK - we used some tricks but the Americans were shocked at how effective Erava was.
And this is a tank based on the T-72M1. The T-72B3M tanks are based on the B version of the later models - in combination with the "Relic" it does not have to be a poorly armored tank.

[mvg]

defeat the PT-91 armor by shooting from the Abrams and M829

As far as I watched, the 829A4 takes 2000 mm of homogeneous armor from 900 m, this is much higher than that of the T-72B3, approximately like the T-90A Vladimir. I don't think the PT-91 weighing <48 tons has super-armor.
The West has always had more powerful ammunition in one caliber. And according to the Second World War, this is understandable further, when the T-54/55 MBT burned in Korea from the fire of light Bulldogs.
Plus, they are not limited in the size of the BOPS.
PS: The Abrams and Leopards specialize in frontal combat in defense. Good MSA, powerful shot. (if the sources of the T-72B3 do not lie, the equivalent of the forehead is 650 mm against BOPS)

[Constanty]

This, of course, was not about the M829A4 - the test I'm writing about was conducted more than ten years ago, and this version has not yet been used. Most likely it was the M829A2.

[Rome]

You are confused, my friend! there was no T-54/55 in Korea, there were T34-85 and Chafiki's light tanks seem to have been powerless! Т34-85 stopped M26 Pershing and Patton and the main thing is the planes

And in general in military science: tanks do not fight with tanks

[Quadro]

Quote: mvg

because they are not an enemy even for the T-72B3M

Justify, what is there in the T-72B3 unprecedented? That the Leopards are not a hindrance to them? The T-72A / B made its way to the L-7A1 from 1500 m, not to mention all the 829A4, DM11 and LAHAT for 120 mm

What, what?! What kind of fairy tales is it that the l7 penetrates the t-72b? Andersen's tales are resting. The T-64 was not penetrated, but the T-72b was suddenly penetrated. And the Americans and Europeans did not know what was piercing, the fools crossed 120mm. If it does penetrate, then these are only the most modern shells and that is far from a fact.

[mvg]

T-64 was not penetrated

How often did T-64s encounter Western vehicles in battle? They were never exported ... never. If only the Ukrainians have sold a little. But in the Iran-Iraq war, it was the T-72 of the National Guard and the Pattons with the L7 (M68) that collided

[Sergey39]

Probably good tanks! It is a pity that no bridge will miss them!

[Constanty]

This is rather not true - many bridges and crossings belonging to the military belong to the MS-70 class. Moreover, leopards cross rivers well along the bottom, and this is often practiced in the vicinity of Krosno-Odzhanski

[Sergey39]

The fact is that in Poland, for example, there are no bridges that meet these requirements. They admit it themselves. And here, in the Kaliningrad region - even more so. And these beautiful pictures with tanks crossing rivers along the bottom can be hung on the wall. Here they will drown, even before reaching the river bank.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Aerodrome

normal "military representatives" usually "screw up" manufacturers, and this is normal.

Well, yes, "military representatives" put forward TX characteristics for military equipment This is nonsense

[Raven 95]

And that Polish bridges can withstand the mass of this 2A4?

[Constanty]

In most cases, yes.

[pytar]

State acceptance by the Poles is tough! No compromises are made! This is how you have to work! Respect!

[Flooding]

because they understand - they will go in the first rank

[Constanty]

"National Interest" - and everything is clear

And neither the tank in the photo is Polish, nor the soldier (looking at the uniform).

[Flooding]

Quote: Constanty

And neither the tank in the photo is Polish, nor the soldier (looking at the uniform).

do you agree with the title or not?
You probably understand that I posted the screen not for the sake of a photo of the tank.

[Constanty]

This is just a joke - Poland is one of the least serious NATO members.

We do not respect ourselves in dealing with the United States, and they do not respect us.

[Flooding]

Quote: Constanty

This is just a joke - Poland is one of the least serious NATO members.

We do not respect ourselves in dealing with the United States, and they do not respect us.

overseas partner does not think so
and let's be honest - in order to send Poland to fight for your interests, no respect is needed

[Constanty]

in order to send Poland to fight for your interests, no respect is needed

To take care of its interests, Poland should not get involved in big politics (because this is not a league) but live well with its neighbors.

[Flooding]

Quote: Constanty

To take care of its interests, Poland should not get involved in big politics (because this is not a league) but live well with its neighbors.

You write how it should ideally be.
But the reality is very different from our wishes.
C'est la vie.

[Constanty]

Achieving the ideal is difficult - but you need to strive for it - I got the impression that the Polish authorities are doing the opposite.
And this is the path to a repeat of 1939 - the United States will betray us without batting an eye, like England did then. Therefore, it is better to seek an agreement with Russia.

[pytar]

because they understand - they will go in the first rank

Is it related to your high-quality performance of duties? Well then, whoever is a slob will remain in the last one! He won't go anywhere at all! Everything will break on the way out!

[Flooding]

Quote: pytar

He won't go anywhere at all! Everything will break on the way out!

Still, it's better in a tank under armor than on foot under the protection of only one guardian angel.

[pytar]

Still, it's better in a tank under armor than on foot under the protection of only one guardian angel.

Much better at the table for a good cup of drinks! And be sure to turn off the TV set when the propagandists start raving about politics!

[Flooding]

Quote: pytar

Much better at the table for a good cup of drinks

what could be better than kind Bulgarian brandy?

[pytar]

what could be better than kind Bulgarian brandy?

Very useful stuff! Reduces aggression, makes people more thoughtful! I think it should be included in the diplomatic protocol!

[Gennady Fomkin]

At a press conference in Berlin on April 10, 2015, spokesman for the German Ministry of Defense, Jens Flosdorff, announced the decision of the Ministry of Defense to increase the Bundeswehr's tank fleet from 225 Leopard 2 tanks to 328 units by 2017. According to a confidential document signed by the parliamentary state secretary of the FRG Ministry of Defense, Markus Grubel, at the beginning of December 2014, only 365 Leopard 2 tanks of all modifications, including those stored by the industry, were in the "availability" of the FRG Ministry of Defense. Of these, 225 were Leopard 2A6 / A7 modifications, 62 were Leopard 2A5 and 78 were Leopard 2A4. Of this number, 42 Leopard 2A5 and 14 Leopard 2A4 tanks are to be delivered to Poland, eight (presumably Leopard 2A5) are planned for use as experimental ones, and 11 tanks are to be disassembled for parts. Previously, another 26 of the indicated number of tanks were considered as a reserve for conversion after 2016 into special vehicles. Thus, in fact, the Bundeswehr could receive, in addition to the existing 225 Leopard 2A6 / A7, only about 75 tanks, of which no more than 20 Leopard 2A5 variants (including eight as experimental), and the rest - Leopard 2A4 versions. With this, the parliamentary military expert of the SPD Rainer Arnold made a demand for the government to suspend the contract for the supply of Leopard 2A5 tanks to Poland. According to official data provided by Germany to the UN Register of Conventional Arms and on the exchange of information in accordance with the Vienna Agreement, there were 1 Leopard 2014 tanks in Germany as of January 668, 2, but, as reported, about 250 of them were in the decommissioned condition and require significant restoration costs. There are problems in the German army that the leadership of the armed forces of the FRG, the Bundeswehr, cannot cope with; a significant number of military equipment, including helicopters and airplanes, are unusable, writes Der Spiegel.

[onstar9]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

There are problems in the German army that the leadership of the armed forces of the FRG, the Bundeswehr, cannot cope with; a significant number of military equipment, including helicopters and airplanes, are unusable, writes Der Spiegel.

There are only one "problem" - the Germans do not want to fight in love ... There they have to take care of the refugees, in Africa there is famine, the warming of the planet is coming. They agree to pay anyone, just not to fight ... Therefore, "women" are appointed ministers of defense and security agencies, and therefore the defense is actually abandoned. Most of the military equipment is not in working order.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Constanty

Those from Bumar and PGZ are not ashamed!

Several dozen Leopard 2A4 tanks have been standing for several years.
exploded view (some say 60, some say 80) in Gliwice-Labendy. There was really a lot of time to inspect and repair them before modernization.
But Bumar is probably one of the worst defense factories - poor product quality, sloppy staff, ubiquitous crap - like in Ukraine.


The problem with the Leopard 2PL arose when the prototype failed the fire test and the additional armor was worth nothing.
The requirements of the contract were not met - and, contrary to what PGZ writes, they were not at all excessive.
The effect is that the military does not want these machines too much, because they are not an enemy even for the T-72B3M, so trade unions and politicians start to play.

These 5 days of defense, which put the last exercises, are the ultimate dream: one blow and everything will fall apart like a house of cards. Maybe this is good - normalcy will return soon.

Yes, let them do it. This incomprehensible hysteria has now captured everyone. If there is nowhere to put the money, then let them mend the old tanks. I didn't drink, but the opportunity to bite off a pretty penny from greedy burghers for a fairly undermined defense capability.

It's worth rejoicing for the German military-industrial complex and the army ...

[Niko]

An ordinary story. I do not see anything surprising, the work manufacturer is trying to sell without extra costs, the one to whom they are selling is trying to get what should be, and not what the work manufacturer wants to sell. Opinions do not coincide. Nothing unusual for people who do not know what a "kickback" is.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Niko

An ordinary story. I do not see anything surprising, the work manufacturer is trying to sell without extra costs, the one to whom they are selling is trying to get what should be, and not what the work manufacturer wants to sell. Opinions do not coincide. Nothing unusual for people who do not know what a "kickback" is.

God forbid that we do not like it.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Recall that now the Bundeswehr, in accordance with the HEER2010 structure adopted in 2011, has only four deployed tank battalions (Panzerbataillon):

93rd Armored Battalion (Munster), 9th Armored Brigade, 1st Armored Division
104th Armored Battalion (Pfreimd), 12th Armored Brigade, 10th Armored Division
203rd Armored Battalion (Augustdorf), 21st Armored Brigade, 1st Armored Division
393rd Panzer Battalion (Bad Frankenhausen) 37th Motorized Infantry Brigade, 10th Panzer Division

In addition, there are two reserve cadre tank battalions without tanks - the 414th tank battalion in Münster and the 8th mountain tank battalion (Gebirgspanzerbataillon) in Pfreimde. For combat training and solving problems in peacetime, the companies of these battalions use the equipment of deployed tank battalions. As you can imagine, additional tanks will be used to reactivate and return to service for both of these battalions.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Poland signed an intergovernmental agreement with Germany on November 22, 2013 on the acquisition of 105 Leopard 2A5 tanks and 14 Leopard 2A4 tanks from the presence of the Bundeswehr. The delivery also includes 18 armored repair and recovery vehicles BpZ 2, about 200 vehicles, various equipment, and sets of the AGDUS laser training complex. The purchase price is 181,3 million euros. this will make Poland dangerous for Russia, probably, or for Laos If they really cared about safety, they would have bought 70 pieces of griffins in a stuffed configuration, about 120 medium-altitude shock UAVs and fifty supertukano with full minced meat and their own uts to the series, and they would not buy from the makoronniki plus, according to the South African project, the crocodiles would have modernized would. And for the place of these tanks, a couple of hundred twards would have modernized and fully operational. And this is how he drank the dough The only thing that the Poles really did right was that they set up the assembly of the Finnish Patria and their fine-tuning is frankly better than Izh Smekhovskaya. Plus, the upgrade of the PC is also cool. This is really the right step was the rest of the same stupid substitution of his ass to the Fritz and amers, coupled with a furious drink of money. Yes, I forgot these, and on the frigates they decided to cut the situation like the Ukrainian situation now. With the difference that the shipyard was making them, a furry animal came and now they are trying to shake off the empty hulls. In short, it is not the safety of the Poles that worries, but the Russian threat is so for its cattle.

[Flooding]

The Poles had ambitious plans for the technical re-equipment of their aircraft.
It seems that a modernization plan was announced with a total cost of about $ 50 billion until 2026.
Key programs:
Regina - sau Krab
Narew - short-range air defense missile system
Wisla - medium-range air defense missile system
Harpia - fighter aircraft
Gryf - medium-range uav
Homar - OTRK
Orka - submarines
Miecznik - multipurpose NDTs
etc.

[Constanty]

Of all of them, only Regina-Crab has been successfully implemented, Z Orka has been abandoned, the effects of Vistula (PATRIOT) and Homar (HIMARS) have been paid for, it is not yet visible.

[mvg]

105 tanks Leopard 2A5 and 14 tanks Leopard 2A4 ..... is 181,3 million euros

Yes, just a fairy tale, 120 tanks, 200 units of equipment + simulators ... 3 million per unit. You can put KAZ, hinged armor, communications, the French SAGEM control system .. and still won't roll out for $ 3.5 - XNUMX million

[Gennady Fomkin]

I've talked to the Germans on copper, they are desperately turning their heads. Niht-Nin-Know-Verbotten! No war with Russia, no inclinations in that direction, and in general we have one "Leopard" in stock and that one is broken! Since the Germans categorically deny ANY possibility of ANY armed confrontation with the Russian army, no one else denies. "The Americans want to? Go ahead! Without us!" What? Poles? Yes, we will still bring cartridges to the Russians! I have not seen a single revanchist in Germany. Maybe out of luck.

[Flooding]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Poles? Yes, we will still bring cartridges to the Russians!

using someone else's hands to train chestnuts to train any bourgeoisie

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

I have not seen a single revanchist in Germany

trusting a German is unnatural for a Russian person
naturally, I'm not talking about human relations

[rocket757]

The modernization was carried out by the Polish plant ZM Bumar-Labedy.

And can the company try to drive LABUD and the military just responsibly treat their "work"?

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: rocket757

The modernization was carried out by the Polish plant ZM Bumar-Labedy.

And can the company try to drive LABUD and the military just responsibly treat their "work"?

It seems that in Russia the majority do not give a shit about their mentality and the fact that they all think about something, about themselves, about Russia, and about life on Mars. For the Russians, so what, they do not plan to share sorrow and joy with them, and if suddenly they themselves decide to arrange another crusade drangna wall, inspired by their fantasies, then in our time it will easily turn out to be their last fatal mistake in history. There is, of course, a category of people who, by all means, want to impose on everyone around their personal and only true point of view on everything, but this is only a part of any society and the majority just do not give a shit about someone else's opinion.

[rocket757]

People are different, opinions, feelings are also different ...
I was on the other side for a long time ... and the question was purely rhetorical.

[onstar9]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

For the Russians, so what, they do not plan to share sorrow and joy with them, and if suddenly they themselves decide to arrange another crusade drangna wall, inspired by their fantasies, then in our time it will easily turn out to be their last fatal mistake in history.

Who is this, the Poles want to make "drangnahosten"? Who do you mean?

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Flood

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Poles? Yes, we will still bring cartridges to the Russians!

using someone else's hands to train chestnuts to train any bourgeoisie

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

I have not seen a single revanchist in Germany

trusting a German is unnatural for a Russian person
naturally, I'm not talking about human relations

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Quote: rocket757

The modernization was carried out by the Polish plant ZM Bumar-Labedy.

And can the company try to drive LABUD and the military just responsibly treat their "work"?

It seems that in Russia the majority do not give a shit about their mentality and the fact that they all think about something, about themselves, about Russia, and about life on Mars. For the Russians, so what, they do not plan to share sorrow and joy with them, and if suddenly they themselves decide to arrange another crusade drangna wall, inspired by their fantasies, then in our time it will easily turn out to be their last fatal mistake in history. There is, of course, a category of people who, by all means, want to impose on everyone around their personal and only true point of view on everything, but this is only a part of any society and the majority just do not give a shit about someone else's opinion.

[Ros 56]

Have you installed mine protection on the tracks?

[Constanty]

I know this is sarcasm in your post, but these are ordinary rubber pads to protect the road surface

[Ros 56]

We are aware of this, it is suitable for parades.

[TermNachTer]

Pshek's requirements for tanks are even higher than in the Bundeswehr?))) Or bullshit tanks - from long-term storage, or psheks "swollen to the edge" - they want a used one, bought almost for nothing, was better than new)))