What can lead to a new war and an attempt at Ukrainian "revenge" in Donbass: some factors

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Despite the fact that active hostilities in Donbass are not being conducted, every day information about shelling from the Ukrainian side comes from the DPR and LPR, and servicemen periodically die. For seven years the region has been living in a regime of permanent war, and the end of this deplorable situation is not yet foreseen. Moreover, there is a certain, rather high risk of resumption of active hostilities.

First of all, the likelihood of an aggravation of the situation in Donbass depends on the policy of Kiev. There is no doubt that the Ukrainian authorities have not reconciled and will not come to terms with the current state of affairs, but Volodymyr Zelenskyy is still forced to pursue a less aggressive policy than his predecessor, Petro Poroshenko. The same cannot be said about Zelensky's policy towards political competitors. However, the course of the Kiev authorities may change at any moment. This can be prompted by both external and internal factors.



External and internal factors for the resumption of the conflict in Ukraine


External factors include, first of all, pressure from the United States: now Joe Biden has come to power in Washington, or rather, the forces behind him. Adhering to a tough anti-Russian course, Biden's supporters may be interested in another provocation of a conflict on the Russian borders. Donbass is ideal for the role of a region where you can only add a little oil, and the flames of war will flare up with renewed vigor.

Among internal factors, the most important role is played by the socio-economic situation in Ukraine. Kiev's anti-Russian turn did not bring the Ukrainian people the long-awaited improvement in material living conditions, or political and economic stability.

Moreover, in many respects life has become much worse than under the "corrupt" Viktor Yanukovych or his predecessors: Ukraine lost Crimea, actually lost a significant part of Donbass, spoiled relations with its closest neighbor, and destroyed the economy. But the best way to divert the attention of the masses from the actions of the authorities is to instigate a war, on which economic difficulties and social problems can be attributed.

In addition, a whole generation of young people raised on anti-Russian nationalist propaganda has already grown up in Ukraine. This is also an important factor: such young people are already voters, due to their age they are radically disposed, and with their support other political forces may come to power in Kiev, much more dangerous than Zelensky or Poroshenko. This can also lead to an attempt at a Ukrainian "revenge" in the Donbass, and, accordingly, to a new war. The radicals, which are a special factor, need finances and an ideological impetus - they can again move eastward, forgetting about the experience of "boilers".


The Ukrainian Armed Forces are rearmed and strengthened, and this is a big threat


It is worth noting the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have significantly improved since the beginning of hostilities in the Donbas. Now this is not at all the "under-army" that in 2014 suffered defeat after defeat from the militias. And these are also additional factors of a possible new outbreak of an armed conflict.

Firstly, the Armed Forces of Ukraine armed themselves with more modern models. weapons due to supplies from NATO countries. Secondly, there has been an organizational modernization. Thirdly, a significant part of the personnel received impressive combat experience. Fourthly, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are trained by NATO military instructors. All of these factors cannot be ignored when engaging in "hacking".

Now the APU is a more dangerous adversary than before. And there is no doubt that the idea of ​​restoring control over Donbass by military means is not abandoned in Kiev, although, for obvious reasons, they are counting on a political solution to the problem of the people's republics.

Of course, the DPR and LPR themselves are not interested in the war: they need to restore their economy, destroyed infrastructure, and the spirit of the Russian Spring of 2014 is now noticeably weakened: they talk less and less about Novorossia, about the need to overthrow the Ukrainian government, including other de jure southeastern regions of Ukraine. The restrained position of Russia on this issue also affects.

Thus, everything depends on Kiev, as well as on its western patrons. If Kiev decides, the war in Donbass will resume even tomorrow, and it will depend on Russia how to protect the population of the region from a new catastrophe. At the same time, the DPR, realizing that the likelihood of a new war is high, has already allowed its servicemen to open not only return fire on enemy positions, but also fire in advance.
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  1. +17
    5 March 2021 12: 27
    Every day, information about shelling from the Ukrainian side comes from the DPR and LPR, and servicemen periodically die.
    It is not clear why our government is putting all this on the brakes? Why are they not given the command to respond from all the barrels so that each soldier of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has a clear understanding, if you shoot, then you die? In general, we are going to bring the junta to life, the seventh year has gone ... So they will continue to shoot, kill.
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      1. +6
        5 March 2021 12: 32
        Text of the article
        allowed their servicemen to open not only return fire on enemy positions, but also fire in advance.
        This chatter has long been bred. Either about the offensive to move the position, then about the return fire, then in general about the preemptive fire. I'm not talking about attempts to intimidate, but about real actions, the only real action in all the years in Debaltsevo, that's it.
        1. +1
          5 March 2021 15: 02
          Ilya's article was not pleasant. Some kind of vague and indefinite: whether it will be, or not, it seems possible. But everything that is happening on the Ukrainian side now, all that preparation and pulling together of troops and equipment says: will be! But Ilya, probably, simply does not follow the situation.

          They made fun of the intimidating passages about "a whole generation of young people raised on anti-Russian nationalist propaganda" and about the "powerful" modernized Ukrainian army. No, there is something. But, in fact, everything is not so scary.

          But the phrase "If Kiev decides" especially amused. Kiev nothing about the war does NOT decide how the Americans order, so be it! And they seem to have already ordered. And the reason for this order was not at all the desire of Kiev, but the desire of the State Department and much more significant: the need to prevent the strengthening and smooth withdrawal of Europe from the influence of the United States. That's right, because of the end and launch of the SP-2, which very need to be ripped off. And comatose Ukraine is quite suitable for this.

          We are waiting for the end of April!
          1. +1
            5 March 2021 15: 25
            But everything that is happening on the Ukrainian side now, all that preparation and pulling together of troops and equipment says: it will be!


            If it does, it will not be in the coming months. Now the shortage of personnel of Ukrainian units and subunits on the line of contact reaches up to 30%. With such a shortage, they do not go on the offensive. No operational reserves have been created in any of the directions. That is, there is nothing to increase efforts and provide the flanks with nothing. Aa means the parts that have broken through will be cut off and end up in the next boilers. Yes, the APU is not the same as the lack of APU in the 14th and 15th. And therefore they will not climb into the boilers headlong. The "pulling in troops" is an ordinary planned rotation. Some served their time on the front end and in the PPD, others to replace them, and without much desire. And whether these fighters will be able to rise to death in the attack, even the grandmother said for two. For what, for the sake of ambitious Zelensky and Biden's whim. They don't die for this.
            The current aggravation in Donbas is caused by the internal political struggle in Ukraine. To cover up with a train of exacerbation, the fight against real opposition and distract the people of Ukraine from this.
            It is a pity that people in Donbas are dying because of Zelenskiy's political "moves".
            1. +5
              5 March 2021 16: 21
              Old tanker (Sergey)
              If it does, it will not be in the coming months. Now the shortage of personnel of Ukrainian units and subunits on the line of contact reaches up to 30%. With such a shortage, they do not go on the offensive.
              Excuse me, but who will ask them? There will be an order from Fashington and they will go like cute. In the United States, they are probably not very smart in power, but they, for all their stupidity, understand that the chances of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to defeat the republics tend to zero, but they do not need a victory. Ukraine for them is already like a suitcase without a handle, and the United States already lacks finances to pull it further, especially since all financial injections into the Ruin are simply stupidly stolen. Therefore, the task will be to draw Russia into the conflict to the maximum, and this is quite possible only under the condition of a total offensive by the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Then what remains of the Ruins will be hanged on us, along with all their debts and Bandera's people. Sooner or later, these questions will have to be solved by someone, so they want to hang this burden on us. Like you defeated them, you feed them. And such a burden as the current Ruin of the Russian Federation will not be able to handle. So the hemorrhoids are not prepared for children.
              Maybe I'm wrong, but I think I'm not too far from the truth.
              1. -2
                7 March 2021 08: 03
                The time for resolving issues has not yet come. Well, the Americans can give a command, but they are not ready to carry it out in the trenches now.
            2. -2
              5 March 2021 20: 16
              Quote: Old Tankman
              Now the shortage of personnel of Ukrainian units and subunits on the line of contact reaches up to 30%.

              Mobilization in Ukraine has already been announced
              1. 0
                7 March 2021 08: 00
                Please reference where it is written about the announcement of mobilization. Don't you confuse it with the adoption of the law on mobilization?
              2. 0
                11 March 2021 09: 23
                When??? Where is this written? Where does the information come from?
            3. +3
              6 March 2021 09: 27
              Quote: Old Tankman
              Now the shortage of personnel of Ukrainian units and subunits on the line of contact reaches up to 30%


              When it stopped who. Let's remember December 1994 Chechnya.
              1. +2
                7 March 2021 08: 01
                In December 94th, the units were staffed to full staff. Anyone, but to a full state. So they didn't.
                1. -2
                  7 March 2021 13: 37
                  Who didn't go where?
            4. -1
              6 March 2021 17: 46
              There is one more reason. Ukraine has not managed to establish production of 122-mm and 152-mm shells, but is trying to buy a line for the production of 155-mm shells and is developing a self-propelled gun for this caliber.
    2. +2
      5 March 2021 13: 11
      Quote: Trapp1st
      It is not clear why our government is putting all this on the brakes?

      Because real politics as medicine is the art of the possible. Because the state of the economy is not the best. By the way, read the 5th grade literature textbook. Will everything triple you in it? So why be surprised AUE, navralny Jugend, selfies with beating schoolgirls. Youth Army-positive attitude, but I do not understand, is it for the elite? Cadet classrooms give an advantage when continuing their studies at military universities, in addition to military uniforms and military history, which is for patriotism.
    3. 0
      5 March 2021 13: 22
      Quote: Trapp1st
      What can lead to a new war and an attempt at Ukrainian "revenge" in Donbass: some factors

      there "partners" are involved, based on this, you can continue to argue ... where are the children of the "elite"? right ... where is the money? THERE ... and further, who are at odds with logic ...
    4. +14
      5 March 2021 15: 24
      And ask another question why the offensive on Mariupol was stopped? Because in the Russian Federation there is a strong industrial lobby, which thus protected the interests of related Ukrainian businessmen, such as Rinat Akhmetov. And the government of Medvedev and put pressure on the GDP and his entourage. And this was a strategic mistake - Mariupol had to be taken, and moreover, to develop the direction to Kharkov, where there were already people ready to join the ranks of the militia, the question was their sufficient weapons and organization. But mercantile calculations brought everything to naught and weakened the position of the Russian Federation in Minsk-2. Thus, the project of Novorossiya failed, for the Russian "elite" was afraid of a new patriotic upsurge in Russia and Novorossiya. Alas! Now we have the Nazi Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donbass and a bunch of problems with Minsk-2 and the persecution of Russia for all sorts of fictitious poisoning of all sorts of nasral and the like.
      All this was perceived by the West as the weakness of Russia and this indecision of Russia on the outskirts is their trump card. hi
      1. 0
        5 March 2021 20: 22
        Quote: Vlad5307
        And ask another question why the offensive on Mariupol was stopped?

        It's so clear why

        And after that the project "Novorossiya" was curtailed, what kind of Mariupol is there! request
        Quote: Vlad5307
        All this was perceived by the West as the weakness of Russia and this indecision of Russia on the outskirts is their trump card.

        Donald Trump: if you hold them by the balls, heart and mind will not resist!
        1. dSK
          0
          5 March 2021 22: 48
          Russia "presented" Ukraine with the Minsk agreements, which ensure its integrity. But the United States needs a constant "war" on the borders of Russia. Therefore, "agreements" are not allowed to be fulfilled.
          To accept Donbas into Russia - to provide salaries, pensions, restoration of the consequences of shelling, etc.
          Putin said in response to Simonyan that all the consequences must be taken into account and Russia "will not leave Donbas"... But the "humunitarka" is an order of magnitude less than the costs in the case of "the adoption of Donbas."
          How much more needs to be poured into the restoration of Crimea ...
          It turns out that only the "recognition" of Donbass and the burial of the Minsk agreements are possible ...
      2. +20
        5 March 2021 22: 40
        Quote: Vlad5307
        And ask another question why the offensive on Mariupol was stopped?

        and the answer
        Quote: Vlad5307
        Because there is a strong industrial lobby in Russia, which thus protected the interests of related Ukrainian businessmen, such as Rinat Akhmetov.

        + personal finances of this power vertical lobby
        Quote: Vlad5307
        And Medvedev's government put pressure on the GDP and its entourage.

        And Medvedev is not Putin's entourage? And how can you put pressure on Putin! According to interviews with those around him, this is impossible.
        What has changed during this time from the components you specified? In my opinion, nothing. So what "discoveries" are you expecting?
  2. +27
    5 March 2021 12: 29
    Eh, it would be necessary then to finish off, in 2014 ... And there was such a chance - the legitimate president of Ukraine and the insurgent part of the country .. Here is Donbass - and it was necessary to recognize Ukraine !! Knocking out Banderlog at least for the Dnieper. Now - everything will be much more complicated .. I confess - at that time I myself was not a supporter of decisive actions, but as life has shown, I was cruelly mistaken. But I, like the whole country then hoped for a kind of cunning plan of Putin ... Which, as always, was not there. Alas, our leadership seems to have made a mistake together with me .. The consequences of this mistake - I'm afraid our grandchildren will still haunt .. For something will have to be done with it sooner or later.
    1. +27
      5 March 2021 12: 40
      Eh, it would be necessary then to finish off, in 2014
      They were afraid of the sanctions, as a result they lost Ukraine, and still received sanctions.
      1. +7
        5 March 2021 12: 53
        Quote: Trapp1st
        They were afraid of the sanctions, as a result they lost Ukraine, and still received sanctions.

        1.the sanctions are different
        2. Ukraine was lost not in the 14th, but much earlier.
      2. +6
        5 March 2021 16: 23
        Quote: Trapp1st
        They were afraid of the sanctions, as a result they lost Ukraine, and still received sanctions.

        Almost Churchill ...
    2. +20
      5 March 2021 12: 44
      Yes, this cannot last indefinitely, so there has been no peace for seven years already. 14 could have been solved by force, and the army did not want to fight with them, except for the stubborn national battalions, and the people, especially in the east, would support, but we have what we have.
    3. +12
      5 March 2021 12: 52
      Quote: paul3390
      Eh, it would be necessary then to finish off, in 2014 ...

      the window of those possibilities is not. As you remember, then everything was stopped by the Accountant. He will probably come again
      1. +2
        5 March 2021 15: 44
        Quote: Silvestr
        He will probably come again

        belay
    4. BAI
      -12
      5 March 2021 13: 01
      Eh, it would be necessary then to finish off, in 2014 ... And there was such a chance - the legitimate president of Ukraine and the insurgent part of the country .. Here is Donbass - and it was necessary to recognize Ukraine !!

      And what would happen to Russian citizens and property in the rest of Ukraine? A bunch of citizens would simply be taken hostage and demanded to withdraw the troops. What's next? In Turkey, after all, this is exactly what they ran into: what tough measures can be taken against Turkey (after the downed plane) if there are 300 Russian vacationers there? And the fact that the locals there would not stand on ceremony is clearly shown by the murder of the ambassador. Ukronatsiki is better than Turkish ones (Odessa House of Trade Unions)?
      Why did the Crimea ride? It's just that no one has figured out the situation yet. Everything happened very quickly.
    5. +8
      5 March 2021 13: 24
      The trouble is that the legitimate legitimate president was hiding somewhere at that time in another country ...
      1. +3
        5 March 2021 13: 44
        In ours and shker. Yes, the personality of Yanukovych has nothing to do with it - the main thing is that he signs the necessary pieces of paper ..
        1. +2
          5 March 2021 13: 47
          About what the conversation, he and we, so to speak, fucked up), but they did not expect outright betrayal and shameful flight from him.
          I'll add a little. Probably for the same reason, we here and do not burn to choose people from that galaxy. Who is there, Azarov, Zakharchenko all fantasize about this topic.
    6. +12
      5 March 2021 13: 46
      Quote: paul3390
      And there was such a chance - the legitimate president of Ukraine and the insurgent part of the country.

      The chance really got wasted by a serious one.
      The consequences of this mistake - I'm still afraid our grandchildren will haunt .. For something will have to be done about it sooner or later.

      Again, I completely agree. hi
      In any case, Ukraine will have to return to its "orbit" and the sooner the better .. But first, you need to move on to real import substitution and responsible domestic policy .. Now, there is not even a hint of any changes ... Even in words , there is no development plan for the country .. And without a plan, only degradation.
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    7. +7
      5 March 2021 15: 33
      But I, like the whole country then hoped for a kind of cunning plan of Putin ...


      And Putin was simply afraid of the big losses among the "vacationers". And then it remained for the "vacationers" to add quite a bit. The Supreme Commander jumped on the plane and into Mnsk with sentences written on a napkin. It turned out the same betrayal as in 96 in Khasavyurt.
      1. +21
        5 March 2021 22: 41
        Quote: Old Tankman
        And Putin was simply afraid of the big losses among the "vacationers"

        And this is too
    8. +6
      5 March 2021 16: 23
      Quote: paul3390
      But I, like the whole country then hoped for a kind of cunning plan of Putin ... Which, as always, was not there. Alas, our leadership seems to have made a mistake with me too .. The consequences of this mistake - I'm afraid our grandchildren will still be haunted ..

      I think these mistakes (or elementary cowardice) began even earlier - in 2008. When our tanks stopped at the outskirts of Tbilisi, leaving the anti-Russian, pro-NATO regime to exist.
      1. +5
        5 March 2021 22: 46
        I think these mistakes (or elementary cowardice) began even earlier - in 2008. When our tanks stopped at the outskirts of Tbilisi, leaving the anti-Russian, pro-NATO regime to exist.

        We didn't have our own Georgian to replace Mishiko Galstukoed with. And in 2014 there was Yanyk. It is understandable, shrieked, but legitimate. Why it was not used, but the Ukrop junta was recognized - this secret is great.
    9. -7
      5 March 2021 16: 46
      The West (NATO), which staged the Bandera coup in 14, was resolutely disposed and the events in the Donbass could turn into a war with the Russian Federation, if we come to Kiev. Russia at that moment could hardly adequately withstand the troops of a united Europe (NATO). It is now recognized as a military superpower.
      1. -1
        5 March 2021 17: 35
        Another thing was not to get involved with the Minsk agreements, to approve them in the UN. Write that Donbass should be given to Ukraine. Minsk error. They only keep the militia and the Russian Federation and the Donbas conflict in a hot state for 7 years.
        1. 0
          5 March 2021 20: 26
          Quote: Vlad Petrov
          Another thing was not to get involved with the Minsk agreements, to approve them in the UN. Write that Donbass should be given to Ukraine. Minsk error.

          The logic at that time was just the opposite - to shove the LDPR into Ukraine on our terms, using Poroshenko's drunkenness and our lobby in Ukraine and, thus, to keep Ukraine in our sphere of influence, using Art. 5 of the NATO Charter.
          But something went wrong
      2. +22
        5 March 2021 22: 42
        Quote: Vlad Petrov
        It is now recognized as a military superpower.

        How is this "superpower" manifested?
    10. 0
      11 March 2021 09: 39
      Yes, Yanukovych made global mistakes in April-June 2014, or ... he was just trite cowardly. In April 2014, I was in Lugansk. The support of the people was close to 100%. Then, dropping into Kharkov in mid-May, it was visible too, although Kharkov hesitated. In neighboring Poltava, the split of the people was already half. If Yanukovych had returned in those days and led the resistance, uniting the forces of the DPR, LPR and KhNR, then everything would be different today. The removal of Yanukovych was illegal. Kiev was well aware of this. The illegality of the removal of Yanukovych was visible to the whole world.
      And an offensive by the forces of the republics in late spring 2014 would have broken the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine up to the Dnieper on the entire left bank. And then there really was no APU - so, a couple of cropped units, aircraft incapable of flying, non-combatant tanks plus Nazis, radicals and fools. Well, and the unemployed, who wanted to die as soon as possible.
  3. +13
    5 March 2021 12: 30
    First of all, the likelihood of an aggravation of the situation in Donbass depends on the policy of Kiev.

    Last but not least ...
    First of all, from the policy of Washington.
    1. +1
      11 March 2021 09: 40
      I would also add London and Tel Aviv.
  4. bar
    +12
    5 March 2021 12: 32
    Country 404 is seriously preparing for war. Starting a new law on accelerated mobilization and ending with a serious discussion among the Ukrainian people, where exactly the new border with Russia will be. Will it be installed on the Kharkov-Melitopol line, or will it run along the banks of the Dnieper.
  5. +5
    5 March 2021 12: 36
    The author painted everything correctly. He did not indicate only one more important factor: America wants to involve Russia in a possible war between Ukraine and the LPNR. If you believe Strelkov, and for some reason he believes, the LPNR corps will withstand no more than a day. In the context of a breakthrough by the Armed Forces to the borders, the Kremlin will have to either openly support the LPNR, or not support it. In both cases, the risks are high:
    1.with open support - initiation of new sanctions against Russia
    2. with no support, a strong reputation crisis, new casualties among the civilian population and the exodus of a pro-Russian population to the territory of Russia, a new appetite of Ukraine for a forceful resolution of the Crimean issue.
    The most interesting thing is that the United States is happy with both options.
    1. +14
      5 March 2021 12: 48
      If you believe Strelkov, and for some reason he can be trusted, the LPNR corps will withstand no more than a day. In the context of a breakthrough by the Armed Forces to the borders, the Kremlin will either have to openly support the LPNR or not.
      A day is not a day, but upon reaching the borders of the Russian Federation, I think Liechtenstein's artillery will again not remain indifferent.
      1. +13
        5 March 2021 12: 55
        artillery of Liechtenstein

        As it turned out, it is very strong. Perhaps, it is her that we are more afraid of than the art of the Natsiks, who beat on the squares, she really works very effectively pointwise.
    2. +10
      5 March 2021 12: 48
      If Banderites climb into Donbass, they need to bomb Bankovskaya and Grushevsky.
      Otherwise, no way.
      1. +10
        5 March 2021 13: 12
        Putin will not bomb Grushevsky, at best there will be no ichtam, but most likely they will remember that in Minsk2, this is an independent territory
    3. bar
      +7
      5 March 2021 13: 11
      Quote: Silvestr
      In the context of a breakthrough by the Armed Forces to the borders, the Kremlin will have to either openly support the LPNR, or not support it.

      It seems that Russia will begin to openly support without waiting for a breakthrough to the borders.
      For this, both the statements of our guarantor about the complete failure of the "Minsk agreements", which unties our hands, and the decision of the LPR to open "preemptive" fire at Ukrainian firing points (they did not decide this themselves, they probably decided it somewhere above). Essential times are coming. And they will lead at least to the complete (finally) recognition of the LPNR, and as a maximum to the relocation of the Russian-Ukrainian border.
      1. +1
        5 March 2021 15: 39
        In an attack on the LPNR, Putin will have no choice but to openly intervene. The loss of face for him is much more dangerous than any sanctions.
        1. +7
          5 March 2021 18: 44
          Quote: Old Tankman
          The loss of face for him is much more dangerous than any sanctions.

          How can Putin lose face with you? You will justify any failure by the intrigues of the West, the betrayal of the boyars, or another Cunning Plan.
          1. -1
            5 March 2021 22: 47
            Putin has a Face! You have Hari! I have Honor, Dignity, Glory! "The whole world" and "America" ​​are with you.
            1. +5
              5 March 2021 23: 16
              Quote: German Titov
              I have Honor, Dignity, Glory!

              And also Modesty and most importantly - Mind. And yet, yes, Putin has the Face of the Light Elf, the author of the Minsk agreements, which, as you know, are much better for the Russian Donbass than joining Russia.
              And the adherents of accession have hari. And "America".
          2. 0
            7 March 2021 08: 10
            And where did you get the idea that I'm going to justify Putin's failures? Had a dream?
        2. -2
          5 March 2021 20: 15
          Quote: Old Tankman
          The loss of face for him is much more dangerous than any sanctions.

          But! New sanctions, no match for the current ones, will lead to an even greater loss of face. The United States, in case of interference, promises, besides other sanctions such as "against the state debt of the Russian Federation", also an embargo on oil and gas, and this is no longer a joke request
      2. +1
        11 March 2021 09: 59
        What else does Russia have: about a million workers are now working there from Ukraine. I think they are all decorated. Further, the male / female ratio is, I think, half. So 500 men. This is a lot. In the event of the outbreak of hostilities, they should be interned in camps and there they should be offered to go to war on the side of the LPNR. And then the Russian army can not even touch its own. So, send a dozen advisers to the front. And drones and artillery to stop the breakthroughs of the front line. I ask the RF Ministry of Defense to consider my proposal.
    4. +10
      5 March 2021 13: 48
      Quote: Silvestr
      The most interesting thing is that the United States is happy with both options.

      The most interesting thing is that the United States creates conditions under which any development of events plays into its hands. This is what can be considered successful diplomacy.
      It is necessary not to react to circumstances, but to create them!
    5. +4
      5 March 2021 15: 48
      Quote: Silvestr
      The author painted everything correctly. He did not indicate only one more important factor: America wants to involve Russia in a possible war between Ukraine and the LPNR. If you believe Strelkov, and for some reason he believes, the LPNR corps will withstand no more than a day. In the context of a breakthrough by the Armed Forces to the borders, the Kremlin will have to either openly support the LPNR, or not support it. In both cases, the risks are high:
      1.with open support - initiation of new sanctions against Russia
      2. with no support, a strong reputation crisis, new casualties among the civilian population and the exodus of a pro-Russian population to the territory of Russia, a new appetite of Ukraine for a forceful resolution of the Crimean issue.
      The most interesting thing is that the United States is happy with both options.

      Doc hi the next option logically suggests itself, "clean up the fuck up" ... but even Stalin did not do this, and the present ones, even more so, have a thin gut ... there is no lumen ...
      1. +2
        5 March 2021 20: 30
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Doc, hi the following option logically suggests itself, "clean up the hell out of everything" ... but even Stalin did not do this, and the present ones, even more so, have a thin gut ... there is no lumen ...

        hi
        A small clarification - Stalin could not
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        зclean the fuck up "

        Therefore, the "liquidation" of the Banderaites was considered possible through an amnesty. But the infection, as usual, turned out to be tenacious request
    6. +2
      5 March 2021 22: 34
      "According to Strelkov." I respect you very much for your comments. People in the DPR do not believe Strelkov. I do not want to "paraffin" him personally, he defined himself. If he is "interested", there are still people who (the wounded) he took to the Rostov region in 45 elite cars and simply abandoned them. Strelkov I.I. - "obseralo" of all the best. There are plans to introduce "dill in the city battles in Donetsk", - gently "relocating to the city of Snezhnoe" is a congenial plan. If somewhere for Russia you need to "give a shit", - send Strelkov II. he will help. For him, "Motorola" - "inadequate", "Givi" - "addict". In my opinion, Igor Ivanovich is the dirtiest provocateur .... In the city - the hero of Gorlovka, he still did not stay (there "respected I. Bezler" (he held a very respected defense). From Slavyansk to Donetsk, more than a hundred kilometers. Now in the return line ...
  6. +7
    5 March 2021 12: 45
    What can lead to a new war and an attempt at Ukrainian "revenge" in Donbass: some factors

    The only question is ONE! Russia will intervene really, with all its might ???
    Everything else depends on it.
    1. +4
      5 March 2021 12: 50
      Quote: rocket757
      The only question is ONE! Russia will intervene really, with all its might ???

      The question is of principle! But there is no answer to it! hi
      1. +4
        5 March 2021 12: 55
        The answer is NO, therefore a situation may arise that you have to answer.
        Balancing, back and forth, most often ends in failure .... and there, after all, PEOPLE and already OUR fellow citizens. The answer is needed now.
    2. +3
      5 March 2021 13: 49
      Russia will intervene really, with all its might ???

      В.В. already answered over 300 Russian citizens live there (!)
      1. -1
        5 March 2021 13: 55
        Despite everything that HE replied, he is a politician, and this immediately creates the feeling that ... he is a politician.
        Let's see if Minister Shoigu adds more specific "arguments" to his answer.
        Time will tell, but for now, bye ...
        1. +1
          5 March 2021 13: 57
          He answered, he is a politician

          V.V. - supreme commander-in-chief
          1. +4
            5 March 2021 14: 15
            Supreme, there are no questions, but ... he is not Comrade Stalin.
            Let's just see how events unfold.
            1. 0
              5 March 2021 14: 18
              events will be like in Georgia only more lightning fast and fast
              V.V. guarantor of the constitution of the Russian Federation - he has no options
              1. +1
                5 March 2021 14: 25
                Then the guarantor was another ... and at the expense of lightning speed, somewhat exaggerated ... then, the tie-expert, after all, did not believe, did not expect, hoped for "allies" fool
                This is how it happened with the Crimea, it is more suitable by analogy, by the situation. From that and "dance".
                1. +8
                  5 March 2021 15: 47
                  With Crimea, the situation is completely different. There, the Ukrainian military was practically all for Russia and did not want to fight. Then almost all of them joined the RF Armed Forces. And the Georgians really really wanted to fight and kill our peacekeepers, together with the local population. But all of a sudden they got it in the teeth! Moreover, the "Supreme" at that time was sleeping on a ship in the middle of the Volga, the prime minister in China at the Olympics, the minister of defense could not be found at all, and the main operational management of the General Staff was engaged in its own move. But the decisive commander of the North Caucasus Military District was in his place.
                  1. +2
                    5 March 2021 16: 01
                    Quote: Old Tankman
                    But the decisive commander of the North Caucasus Military District was in his place.

                    So it turned out to be the most important thing in the end.
                    We believe that now this will not happen ...
              2. +20
                5 March 2021 15: 21
                Quote: Romario_Argo
                he has no options

                Did he tell you YOURSELF? Explain your judgment ...
                1. 0
                  5 March 2021 15: 22
                  Did he tell you YOURSELF?

                  we talk sometimes laughing
              3. +6
                5 March 2021 16: 30
                Quote: Romario_Argo
                events will be like in Georgia only more lightning fast and fast

                That is, our troops will approach Kiev and then rush back? Leaving everything to the Americans. As in Georgia.
                1. -1
                  5 March 2021 16: 47
                  our troops will remain on our territory
                  In the event of the death of our citizens in the LPNR, the RF Armed Forces will suppress the firing positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, destroy accumulations of equipment using 3 brigades of OTRK, MLRS, ACS, ALCM, SLCM, possibly KABs from the LPNR airspace
                  The Armed Forces of the LDNR themselves will reach Kiev on the scorched earth, equipment and corpses of soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
                  1. +1
                    5 March 2021 20: 36
                    Quote: Romario_Argo
                    our troops will remain on our territory
                    In the event of the death of our citizens in the LPNR, the RF Armed Forces will suppress the firing positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, destroy accumulations of equipment using 3 brigades of OTRK, MLRS, ACS, ALCM, SLCM, possibly KABs from the LPNR airspace
                    The Armed Forces of the LDNR themselves will reach Kiev on the scorched earth, equipment and corpses of soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

                    Dreams, dreams - where is your sweetness.
                    Trite, but essential!

                    They are?
                    1. 0
                      10 March 2021 10: 56
                      the gun is already hanging and loaded - and will definitely fire
                      by the way, after the deployment of the US OTRK in Romania, we expect the deployment of our Iskander OTRK in the Crimea this year, as well as in Belarus
                      see for yourself, 5 brigades of 240 missiles in the first hour (-) minus 120 battalions
                      1st, 20th, 8th, 22 AK + AK in Belarus
    3. 0
      5 March 2021 15: 32
      And why with all the might? It is enough to help the LDNR at the right time with the "northern wind" against the advancing Nazis of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the "consultants" must properly command the police of the LDNR.
      1. 0
        5 March 2021 15: 45
        Quote: Vlad5307
        And why with all the might?

        There will be more than one benefit from this ... most importantly, the illusions of many will move away for many years to come.
      2. -1
        5 March 2021 20: 40
        Quote: Vlad5307
        It is enough to help LDNR at the right time with the "northern wind" on the advancing Nazis of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

        The "North Wind" under Colonels Obama and Trump is not at all the same under Biden.
        In his Munich speech, Biden bluntly stated: "... defending the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine should remain a vital issue for Europe and the United States."
  7. BAI
    +10
    5 March 2021 12: 53
    they can move east again, forgetting the experience of the "cauldrons".

    It's worse now. Not just forgotten. The example of Karabakh is before their eyes. Azerbaijan, having suffered defeat in the first war, won in the second. And they (Ukraine) believe they can do the same.
  8. +3
    5 March 2021 13: 01
    Quote: Silvestr
    The author painted everything correctly. He did not indicate only one more important factor: America wants to involve Russia in a possible war between Ukraine and the LPNR. If you believe Strelkov, and for some reason he can be trusted, the LPNR corps will withstand no more than a day.

    They don't need more. Another thing is that the losses for Lao PDR in this interval can be high.
  9. +3
    5 March 2021 13: 06
    Ukraine's rezalt is not even important; if a hero-comic will win, a victim of aggression will not win, IMF loans, etc.
  10. +2
    5 March 2021 13: 12
    In my opinion, the main factor in the resumption of combat will be precisely internal instability.
    By the way, against the background of the phrase about mass rearmament, the first photo smiled, they do not refuse the proven damned Moscow Kalash)
    And so, in general, we are ready, we are waiting. Welcome, I really won't tell)
  11. +2
    5 March 2021 13: 14
    I do not think that Ukraine will independently decide on revenge, despite its inadequacy, a more trained and well-to-do army in comparison with 2014. Whatever one may say, for Russia, if these factors complicate the task, then at the level of error.
    The smoldering conflict is more acceptable to the Ukrainian junta, since there is no fear that it will have to say goodbye to the acquired "backbreaking work" and carry off its feet.
    There is only one option: if the curators kick you.
  12. +1
    5 March 2021 13: 18
    Quote: BAI
    they can move east again, forgetting the experience of the "cauldrons".

    It's worse now. Not just forgotten. The example of Karabakh is before their eyes. Azerbaijan, having suffered defeat in the first war, won in the second. And they (Ukraine) believe they can do the same.

    How to say ... Peacekeepers were brought into Karabakh (Russian). This is also in front of my eyes. Do they need such a layout?)))
    1. dSK
      +2
      5 March 2021 22: 22
      Quote: Tagan
      Peacekeepers were brought into Karabakh (Russian)

      Only for five years. And Aliyev did it most likely as compensation for the downed helicopter. Apart from an apology and a criminal case from our ICR, there was nothing ...
  13. 0
    5 March 2021 13: 19
    Donbass is ideal for the role of a region where you can only add a little oil, and the flames of war will flare up with renewed vigor

    Donbass is now a fuse, step on the explosion.
  14. 0
    5 March 2021 13: 21
    Quote: rocket757

    The only question is ONE! Russia will intervene really, with all its might ???
    Everything else depends on it.

    Have to intervene. Another thing is that there is no such desire.
  15. +1
    5 March 2021 13: 25
    The problem is that now the forces of the LPR and DPR will not be able to stop the Ukrainian army on their own. And then Russia will have to openly intervene. And she will do it at least for the reason that otherwise it will be political suicide of the political elite. It is clear that Ukrov in this case will not have any teeth left, but the consequences of this step ... There will already be sanctions against a couple of politicians and companies.
  16. 0
    5 March 2021 13: 33
    Why in "hungry and destitute" Ukraine, the minimum wage is higher than in "prosperous" Russia?
  17. +4
    5 March 2021 13: 43
    It will be of the 08.08.08 type. only with much greater losses on both sides, here the Russians will fight the Russians, and this is scary.
  18. 0
    5 March 2021 14: 05
    And nevertheless, even Zelensky himself admitted that it is better in the divorced areas with shelling, so maybe it can be diluted in others?
  19. -2
    5 March 2021 14: 07
    In the main photo, a military man has a police shortcut. Why is he to the military?
    1. +1
      5 March 2021 14: 19
      The author pulled the photo from the Internet, which came to hand)))
  20. 0
    5 March 2021 14: 18
    Author, when was the last time you visited Ukraine? Or do you get information from BanderaSMI? A generation has grown up in Ukraine, whose dream is to get rid of this territory, who defeated moronism, as quickly as possible, as far as possible and preferably forever. Banderovaffen has not grown stronger, but continues to decompose. His strength is on the "piece of paper", and not in reality. If you noticed, talks about revenge in the Donbass are being conducted by all sorts of eksperdy and pollitrologie, who neither that did not fight, they did not even serve in the army. Warriors keep quiet, because they know the real state of affairs))))
  21. 0
    5 March 2021 14: 20
    What will give not a new war (yes, not a new one, since it is not over): how did the Armed Forces prepare for offensive hostilities, who will support the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the war, the further actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and political leaders after the war (depends on the result) - this is the first thing.

    Revenge is a matter of course ... they will take revenge for the boilers, and not only for the boilers, since for Kiev Donbass is, first of all, traitors (they did not support the authorities from the Maidan to the election of the President of Ukraine). Therefore, they will not look at the victims during the conflict, will look at statements from the outcome of the conflict.
  22. -1
    5 March 2021 14: 58
    Quote: Trapp1st
    A day is not a day, but when leaving the borders of the Russian Federation,

    Do we need it? The peacekeepers of the Russian Federation, when they break through the front line, should stand on the borders of Donetsk and Lugansk regions, and disarm and intern the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Bandera on the territory of these regions.
  23. +5
    5 March 2021 15: 10
    Thus, everything depends on Kiev, as well as on its western patrons. If Kiev decides, the war in Donbass will resume even tomorrow, and it will depend on Russia how to protect the population of the region from a new catastrophe. At the same time, the DPR, realizing that the likelihood of a new war is high, has already allowed its servicemen to open not only return fire on enemy positions, but also fire in advance.

    Dead, frozen situation, and people are dying .... The guarantor is waiting for the opportunity to appoint Medvedchuk as hetman instead of the actor - the clown, concurrently - the president. Oh well.
    A purely American joke to demonstrate (publicly) American democracy to periodically choose clowns, blacks, but their tendency remains unchanged - the president should be ... the son of David, (Trump's example is indicative - he was "eaten") in the sense that someone from families of industrial bankers, or families close to them. They place their own.
    President Reagan (actor) and Secretary of State Henry Kissinger are a small example. In short, those who are interested in politics will find information, analyze it, and draw conclusions. bully
  24. +1
    5 March 2021 15: 57
    It's funny to read articles on the state of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. In short, two points of view.
    1. Conventionally "urapatriot": the Armed Forces of Ukraine are a rabble of drunks and junkies who cannot use weapons (transferred to them by their "partners"). The units are staffed with less than half of the PM. The PM does not consist of Homo sapiens, but rather of Homo erectus.
    2. Conventionally "all-propalschik": the Ukrainian Armed Forces received combat experience, were trained by instructors from NATO and are equipped (in small numbers) with very advanced weapons. (Almost "the most powerful army in Europe")
    As it was not possible to meet the third (something in between the first two) points of view.
    1. +17
      5 March 2021 22: 49
      Quote: tacet
      It's funny to read articles on the state of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. In short, two points of view.
      1. Conventionally "urapatriot": the Armed Forces of Ukraine are a rabble of drunks and junkies who cannot use weapons (transferred to them by their "partners")

      You are exaggerating, although such an opinion is some Yes
      Quote: tacet
      2.Conventionally "all-propalschik": the Ukrainian Armed Forces received combat experience, were trained by instructors from NATO

      Do you deny this fact?
      Quote: tacet
      As it was not possible to meet the third (something in between the first two) points of view.

      So state your ....
      1. +1
        6 March 2021 21: 20
        Well, I'll try.
        As for the Armed Forces, there are big problems with the equipment parts of drugs and the provision of their materiel as they were at 14 and remained at 20 (it's too early to talk about 21). By these two factors, the number can be divided by three. As for the call, more precisely, the call applies only to those who cannot pay off from it (the price is different in different areas from $ 300 to $ 1500, of course it also depends on what stage you are trying to pay off at). Accordingly, recruits almost universally have a scientific degree. Those who received combat experience (conditionally are in reserve), how many are "ready to repeat"? Not more than a quarter, I guess. As for the training of personnel by NATO, about 25% of officers trained in the Armed Forces remain, I don’t have any data on the rank and file and junior command staff, but based on the specifics of recruitment, the picture is not rosy. In my opinion, it will take another 10 years to continue the current policy of Ukraine and the Russian Federation in order for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to pose a "big threat".
        The opinion is subjective (I still live in Russia), based on communication with relatives from Dnepropetrovka, Odessa and Zaporozhye. Something like this.
  25. -1
    5 March 2021 17: 55
    What can lead to a new war and an attempt at a Ukrainian "revenge" in the Donbass:

    What could it be? IMF loan and a shout from Washington .. Zelensky will immediately sign an order about the assault and massive bombing .. I am sure of it!
    But the West keeps it already as a last resort .. After all, the outskirts are a lever of pressure on Russia and powerful ..Type if you are too rebellious, you will have a bloody mess between the Slavs on the border ... Here are bastards!
  26. 0
    5 March 2021 20: 03
    After the phrase that after the prakhvesor they began to live worse? You can close the post!
    With the clown it became worse than with the huckster!
    Therefore, the direction is known!
    Greens in the swamps! People at work!
  27. +4
    5 March 2021 22: 02
    There was nothing to chew on snot in 2014, especially since the legislators had permission to use the army.
  28. 0
    6 March 2021 04: 38
    Quote from dsk
    Quote: Tagan
    Peacekeepers were brought into Karabakh (Russian)

    Only for five years. And Aliyev did it most likely as compensation for the downed helicopter. Apart from an apology and a criminal case from our ICR, there was nothing ...

    Not "only for five years," but at least five years. In addition, the term can be extended automatically. And Aliyev is not in a position to deliberately go into conflict with Moscow. Turks are far from omnipotent.
  29. 0
    6 March 2021 10: 33
    All this will continue until the APUs get hit in the face.
  30. 0
    6 March 2021 10: 33
    Spring. Aggravation. Will pass.
    PS: For a full-fledged offensive, the forces are clearly not enough, and Ze needs a small victorious war.
  31. 0
    6 March 2021 22: 09
    Donbass needs to be restored urgently. But first, you need to destroy the ability of Kueva to destroy the restored.
  32. 0
    6 March 2021 22: 30
    I join most of the readers: the article is crude, the parallels are lame. Or or. Conspiracy has nothing to do, we already know everything, almost better than the author, Hu from Hu. Maybe a simple man in the street does not know something. But there will be a Conflict. Yes, it goes, it didn't even stop!
  33. 0
    7 March 2021 14: 46
    << The restrained position of Russia on this issue also affects. >> ..... figures from the leadership of the Russian Federation, manage to squander not only their country!
  34. 0
    7 March 2021 17: 31
    Now the APU is a more dangerous adversary than before.

    What the Ukrainian Armed Forces did not solve was the problem of recruiting personnel.
    In the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they call to serve same-sex perverts of all stripes and varieties: lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender.
    It is proposed to sign a contract with one of the motorized infantry units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - it was decided to designate this unit "friendly to LGBT".
    This was reported by the LGBT Military and Our Allies organization.
    Source: https://rusvesna.su/news/1615113006

  35. 0
    10 March 2021 23: 11
    Guys, hey, you really think that some kind of offensive will start. Yes, this is all nonsense. They know what we know, and we know what they know and they are not stupid and we, too, guys are not a mistake. So there will be no serious body movements. Remember and write this down. If they want to bang us, then it will not be so and not now. We are still too strong.