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The nuclear triad is in the red: how Russia is threatened by the technological lag of the United States

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Bad situation


The arms race of the two superpowers, which is currently unfolding, seems much more dangerous than the confrontation between 1945-1989. In the last century, the Soviet Union and the United States, even in the most acute periods, were able to talk with each other, as well as conclude treaties on the control of nuclear potential. Now the situation of deep mistrust is aggravated by the emergence of new means of delivery of nuclear weapons capable of changing the balance of nuclear forces on the planet.

John Hayten is dissatisfied with the pace of modernization of the US nuclear potential and the strategy of containing Russia. Source: Halifax International Security Forum

Logic suggests that the least secure in this stories Russia must remain - after all, the country's economic potential is much weaker than the American one.

And in conditions when the superpowers cannot agree on mutual control, the party with limited financial resources loses first of all. But against all odds, the first signs of defeatism are in the United States.

The deputy head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the US Armed Forces, General John Hayten, at the last briefing at the end of February, complained about the lag behind Russia in the field of nuclear weapons... According to Hayten, Russia is already finalizing the modernization of its nuclear deterrent, and the United States is just beginning to move in that direction. At the same time, in order to simply achieve technological parity with Moscow, the Americans will need at least a decade.

As a roadmap for overcoming a critical situation, the general proposes to put into service more effective sea-launched cruise missiles with nuclear warheads. For underwater fleet low-yield tactical nuclear warheads are needed, designed for limited strikes on the territory of Russia and China.

There is such a delusional concept at the Pentagon, created around the de-escalation of a non-nuclear conflict with several low-power nuclear strikes. American strategists either do not want to think about the extremely high probability of a local nuclear war turning into a global catastrophe, or they deliberately mislead others. Russia and China will respond with a 100% guarantee to a nuclear strike on their own territory of any force at least in a mirror image, and, most likely, will initiate a world war.


ICBM "Sarmat". Source: dfnc.ru

In addition to the above, the American military, like air, needs the main weapon mainstream of recent times - hypersonic missiles. The Pentagon is seriously concerned about Russian and Chinese successes in this area.

The Americans predict the appearance of such systems in their home countries only by the mid-2020s. And this is the best case. It will also be necessary to spend money on protection against hypersonic missiles of a potential enemy. Military experts plan to commission such equipment no earlier than the end of this decade.

It is not entirely clear on what technologies the Americans are going to build a hypersonic missile defense system, even if the existing one teases the enemy rather than effectively protects against a massive strike.

The most fantastic thing in this case will look like the fight of American interceptor missiles with the Avangard hypersonic units from the Sarmat complex. According to open data, Avangards will be able to develop up to 27 Mach numbers.

But the Pentagon does not intend to end with hypersonic sound. The final element of Russia's nuclear deterrent system is reusable hypersonic systems, which are expected to appear in 12-15 years. It is worth emphasizing that these are very optimistic scenarios of technological development for the United States.

In recent years, the colossal money spent on modernizing the nuclear deterrent have not produced tangible results. As Americans spend years making up for lost time, Russia will make significant headway in the most critical areas of hypersound and asymmetric threat.

Military expert Alexei Leonkov believes that the Pentagon in the near future, in general, will not be able to catch up with Russia in the field of hypersound. Even taking into account the excess funding.

However, there are many pitfalls for both the United States and Russia.

The most modern in the world


The domestic Strategic Missile Forces have indeed made a qualitative breakthrough in recent years - by the end of last year, the share of new and modernized weapons amounted to 81%. According to plans, by 2024 the strategic forces will be re-armed by 100%.

It is important to understand that most of the "updates" do not supplement the existing systems, but only replace them.

For example, mobile complexes "Yars" are put into operation instead of the well-deserved "Topols", and heavy "Sarmatians" are intended to replace missiles of the "Voevoda" type in the silos.

This approach is doubly effective.

First, it is much cheaper than a simple quantitative build-up.

And secondly, formally it does not give potential opponents a reason to accuse Moscow of militarism. Russia may even hope for beneficial new treaties within the framework of strategic offensive arms, since formally neither Sarmat, nor even Avangard are hindering this.

The same cannot be said about the Poseidon nuclear underwater drone and the Burevesnik cruise missile with a nuclear power plant. Actually, it is because of these promising types of weapons that the Americans are sounding the alarm. Further development of such weapons, and, moreover, putting them into service, will not at all contribute to mutual control over nuclear weapons.

As you know, Russia intends to deploy at least 32 super torpedoes on Belgorod-class submarines. And the first Poseidons are obviously already assembled. However, the true purpose of developing such a formidable device is still not fully understood.

Russia with three missile armies and 12 divisions of the Strategic Missile Forces is capable of inflicting so-called unacceptable damage to the United States in any development of events.

According to the National Research Institute of World Economy and International Relations named after E.M. Primakov (NII MEMO) RAS, even after a massive disarming strike from the United States, Russia will have up to 700-750 megaton missiles.

To inflict unacceptable damage on the Americans, 400-500 nuclear warheads are enough. It’s still Makmamara and Sakharov calculated.

Therefore, the existing status quo can only force a suicidal madman to strike first - a totally fatal response is guaranteed.

And now "Poseidon" and "Petrel" appear on the scene, which do not fall under the current and prospective restrictive treaties. Russia, even without these devices, guarantees a nuclear deterrent to the United States.

Then why?

Some analysts refer to a hypothetical technological breakthrough that the United States is about to make. And, finally, they will create an extremely effective missile defense system. And, they say, it is "Poseidon" that will be the last chance for guaranteed retribution. But, given modern realities and the dubious achievements of Americans in hypersound, this option is hard to believe.

In this regard, expert Vladimir Dvorkin from Research Institute MEMO gives a very interesting example from the past.

In the second half of the 1970s, the USSR began to develop the Kaskad and Skif orbital anti-satellite stations with missile and laser weapons. In 1985-1986. they were supposed to be tested. But the military suddenly abandoned this idea. But not for technological, but for political reasons.

Analysts managed to convince the Department of Defense of the danger of provoking the United States. There were not so many bonuses from the anti-satellite "Cascades" and "Scythians". But the potential for an asymmetric response from the Pentagon could be very unpleasant for the USSR.

At the present time, the proclaimed by the Americans their own technological backwardness for Russia is not at all like honey in its soul.

First, the United States will look for an answer to the Poseidons with the Petrels and, most likely, will find it in the foreseeable future. And this is a new round of the ruinous arms race.

Secondly, promising types of nuclear weapons do not fit into the concept of START treaties and may become a reason for curtailing the remnants of dialogue between countries.

And finally, thirdly, feeling vulnerable, the United States may well decide in a crisis situation to preemptively strike Russia with all the ensuing consequences.

The world order in the second half of the last century was based on strict bipolarity. Everyone knows what happened when the Soviet Union was unable to oppose the United States. Even so, in the 90s, the Americans did not have a technological advantage in the nuclear field.

And now the ball seems to be on the side of Moscow.

And the consequences of this can be unpredictable.
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  1. lubesky
    lubesky 4 March 2021 03: 51
    +46
    The constant negative rhetoric of the United States towards Russia, revanchism in the highest echelons of power, the national shame of the collapse of the USSR and, as a result, the complete disappointment of Russians in their expectations of abandoning ideological confrontation, US military invasions around the world, including in the former "Red" Zone and sensitive gestures in the buffer zones against the defense doctrine of the Russian Federation - all this kind of hints that we are doing everything right in the development of weapons, albeit wrong in everything else. I must say that Putin in the second term and Medvedev as president made many warnings and did it publicly, they say you shouldn't be developing missile defense at our borders, this is a blow to our launching missile deterrent forces, Putin also warned them about the flight time. And now, they tell us, when all our warnings have been ignored in the most arrogant and humiliating way, they say, slow down, because you don't know what you are doing ...
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 4 March 2021 08: 58
      +12
      The arms race of the two superpowers, unfolding currently

      I know one superpower. And what is the second one? China or what ??
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 4 March 2021 09: 26
        +8
        The world order in the second half of the last century was based on strict bipolarity. Everybody knows what happenedwhen the Soviet Union was unable to oppose the United States ...

        And now the ball seems to be on the side of Moscow.

        Couldn't oppose in what?

        So the Soviet Union was unable to maintain bipolarity, but Russia could? Even the United States has surpassed it!

        It turns out that America was now unable to maintain bipolarity. Means with her too should happenwhat happened to the Soviet Union ... Well, according to the author's logic, it turns out.
        1. mojohed2012
          mojohed2012 4 March 2021 14: 38
          +4
          Everyone is in favor of such logic, when great empires collapse sooner or later and the United States is no exception. Few are against it.
          And for complicity in the collapse of the USSR - God himself ordered them to collapse as well.
      2. dSK
        dSK 4 March 2021 09: 56
        +7
        The states are ruled by money changers, they always calculate "risk - return"... And after Vietnam they are trying to fight with "someone else's hands".
        Churchill for a long time begged Roosevelt to help not only with loans, financially, but also physically. Roosevelt replied: "an ordinary American will not go to die for others," need a reason"It appeared after the Japanese attack.
        Sly Biden quickly agreed to extend the Russia-States START Treaty, because NATO has an advantage, while Britain and France have nuclear weapons. Last year, the States transferred it to Italy. Putin talked about this, but Russia took this step in order to preserve the last treaty that restrains the nuclear race for at least 5 years.
        Hypersound is a compensation for NATO's numerical superiority in nuclear weapons. Moreover, it is temporary, the States will master it sooner or later, Putin also talked about it ...
        1. dSK
          dSK 4 March 2021 13: 27
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          The US Navy intends to develop its own hypersonic anti-ship missile. According to Flightglobal, the US Navy has already launched a program.
          VO.04.03.21.
          1. ironic
            ironic 4 March 2021 20: 12
            -7
            They will not do such a stupid thing, because this can only be done out of desolation.
        2. ironic
          ironic 4 March 2021 20: 02
          -5
          Yes, no hypersound is not compensation and nothing, from the word at all. Gee, is it really not visible?
        3. Stas157
          Stas157 5 March 2021 07: 35
          +3
          Quote: dsk
          Hypersound is compensation for NATO's numerical advantage in nuclear weapons. Moreover, temporary

          As I understand it, hypersound is an asymmetric response to NATO's eastward movement. Naturally temporary. For 10 years in total, it is not clear how to fend off the threat later.
          1. bayard
            bayard 7 March 2021 04: 30
            +4
            Quote: Stas157
            For 10 years in total, it is not clear how to fend off the threat later.

            Ten years is a handicap, a period for which it is necessary to reform the economy, state and society in order to meet the challenges in all forms.
            This is a question of the survival of the state and the People, as well as of those elites who now lead Russia. Without restoring the state integrity of the Russian lands and the Russian People, this will not be achieved. There won't be enough resources. This is especially important against the background of the fact that the previously initiated integration process in the Eurasian space, although crooked and with a creak, is proceeding. Unexpectedly, but it looks like Iran has seriously applied for membership in the EAEU, and this should push the Central Asian republics to this process (this complicates Turkish initiatives with the creation of Turan, something needs to be done about this). And against the background of this forthcoming unification of Asian states, the reunification of the Russian states (! Not white and not few, but simply Russians) is critically necessary. This needs to be taken care of seriously and the issue should be resolved in the near future. There is NO time to swing.
            And the US expansion can be counteracted not only technically, but also tactically (not to mention the strategic and operational counteraction of the US), creating a threat to them in the most painful areas. To create a threat DIRECTLY to the territory of the United States - the deployment of duty forces of nuclear missile countermeasures closer to their shores. And bring the mode of retaliatory / retaliatory-oncoming strike to AUTOMATIC mode (in part, this is already there).
            The means of creating an additional threat to the US territory by non-strategic forces should be the Zircon and Caliber-M missiles from the waters adjacent to the US.
            It would be even better to gradually abandon strategic ICBMs on submarines, because their survival in the event of a sudden enemy strike is extremely doubtful. Both in the bases and in the "bastions". Especially after the United States receives air and sea-based hypersonic missiles.
            Such means (even by themselves) are very expensive, only a part of them (and usually a smaller part) is on operational duty in continuous mode, and the vulnerability to a surprise strike is much higher than that of land-based ICBMs.
            Ideally, it would be worth abandoning this component altogether, transferring the existing Bulava to a land-based mode as an ICBM and MRBM, upgrading the Borei to the Borei-K level (carriers of the CD - up to 112 pcs.) And using them for regular on duty in the waters adjacent to the United States at a distance of approximately 500 km. Together with "Ash \ Ash-M", modernized MAPLs of projects 971 and 945, and modernized SSGN 949.
            This will create the maximum operational tension of the forces of the US Navy, moreover, on their - American shores. And the surface forces of the Fleet, which received new and modernized ships and freed from the need to guard the bastions, will be able to operate much more actively in the DMZ and OZ, protecting our submarines from air threats, giving them target designations for the American and NATO KUG and AUG.
            That is, the situation of the 70s should be repeated - the pistol is at the aggressor's temple.
            The discipline of FEAR.
            This, of course, will require iron genitals in the pants of our leadership. yes
            But we don't need others.
            Right ? bully
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 7 March 2021 06: 30
              +3
              I completely agree with you. I will only note that any integration processes need to start with yourself. From our own economy, from the attractiveness of life in Russia, from high social guarantees (like Sweden, for example) ... Without achievements in these basic things, no one will want to unite with us.
              1. bayard
                bayard 7 March 2021 07: 45
                +6
                Quote: Stas157
                ... I will only note that any integration processes need to start with yourself. From our own economy, from the attractiveness of life in Russia, from high social guarantees (like Sweden, for example) ... Without achievements in these basic things, no one will want to unite with us.

                Quite right, this is where we need to start.
                And for this it is necessary to restore SOVEREIGNTY. To abandon the rules, laws, norms and institutions imposed on us by the ENEMY, to establish OWN rules and procedures, to abolish the Central Bank, restoring the functions of the State Bank, the Treasury and the Ministry of Finance in their natural quality. Return the retirement age to its socially justified framework, return normal (! Soviet) textbooks to school, restore health care (and not medical services on a social package). Return the responsibility of officials by establishing prosecutorial and public control over their income, the quality of their duties, moral character and loyalty to their Fatherland.
                It should be DANGEROUS to be an official if you are a thief, a crook or a bum.
                This was the case under Stalin.
                And this was the best, albeit a very difficult period in our history.
                The professional and moral-ethical norms and standards introduced by Stalin, Comrade Stalin himself and his people's commissars should become an example and guideline for the administrative apparatus and the younger generation. This is the recipe and this is the secret of our previous victories in much more difficult conditions.
                And there is no need for any "isms", you need to take as a model the methods and style of work, responsibility, criteria for career growth and attitude to your business, to people, to the Motherland.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 April 5 2021 19: 46
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                  There is an ambush here ... As soon as - so immediately we will be cut off all the currency and we will be left without imports ... But then the population will say - "Where are the phones? Foreign cars? Computers ??"
                  And oh, it's not a fact that the shooting of corrupt officials will replace them
                  Quote: bayard
                  And this was the best, albeit a very difficult period in our history.

                  Moreover, the population can say "Why is it hard and difficult for us ??? !!!" and then what ???
                  1. bayard
                    bayard April 5 2021 21: 50
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                    Quote: your1970
                    ... As soon as - so immediately we will be cut off all the currency and we will be left without imports.

                    We have already been cut off a lot.
                    And they will continue to cut.
                    Do you propose to endure and repent?
                    Quote: your1970
                    But then the population will say - "Where are the telephones? Foreign cars? Computers ??"

                    Computers and phones mainly come from China. And they will go on.
                    Foreign cars are assembled in Russia itself for the most part. Do you think the bourgeoisie will leave such an interesting market? Throwing away their assets?
                    Of course not .
                    China has its own - a sovereign financial system.
                    And in England.
                    And in Japan.
                    Europe has one for all.
                    Why is it wrong with Russia?
                    And who recognizes the financial (and not only) colony as the basis and core for new integration? The same Eurasian Union?
                    How can you guarantee freedom and security for the members of the Union if you yourself are a slave?
                    Do not find?
                    Quote: your1970
                    Moreover, the population can say "Why is it hard and difficult for us ??? !!!" and then what ???

                    Yes, just return the previous retirement age, reduce or even abolish the income tax for the poor, introduce a progressive tax, give freedom and government support to small businesses ... and people will immediately understand that all changes are for their sake.
                    So far, everything is radically opposite.
                    If we build the economy (and the State as a whole) for the welfare of all citizens (and not just "friends"), then support for such a policy will be nationwide.
                    And tough law enforcement practice against criminals.
                    To all criminals.
                    And to spies, saboteurs and saboteurs - especially harsh and inevitable.
                    And everything will work out.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 April 6 2021 09: 00
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                      Quote: bayard
                      Computers and phones mainly come from China. And they will go on.
                      are you not afraid that China will trade with us exclusively at their own prices? ten kilogram rubles per yuan, for example?
                      Quote: bayard
                      Do you think the bourgeoisie will leave such an interesting market? Throwing away their assets?
                      Of course not .
                      of course they will. .. By reforming our financial system, you will leave the country without a currency. So there will be no point in producing here. At all...
                      Quote: bayard
                      and the people will immediately understand that all changes are for him.
                      - young people don't care about the retirement age, as well as the middle age - they have gray wages and a pension, even if it is appointed at 40 years old - will be minimal ... They rely on themselves and not on the state ...
                      Lower income tax for the poor? For those who receive 10-15 pipes - 1,5 or 1,2 rubles, there is not much difference, all the same it will not save them
                      Quote: bayard
                      give freedom and government support to small businesses
                      - but here everything is fun ... In the USSR there were two big attempts of the type "to support business" - NEP and cooperatives in 1985.
                      The first had to be strangled very quickly - having received money in their hands, the traders immediately began to decompose the government, corrupting it ... Technologies are very accurately described in The Golden Calf, practically documented ...
                      They could not strangle the second - the USSR had already rotted and massive corruption came to court


                      Z. Y. Ever wondered why in the USSR the currency article of the Criminal Code was similar to the article for treason under the sanction ????
                      It's simple - the USSR was FORCED (!!!!) to do everything to collect up to a cent of currency. Do not take away so intimidate - but so that up to a cent to the budget
                      Closing the financial system - we get the same thing ...

                      Z.Y.ZY When Brezhnev came to power, Dnepropetrovsk blossomed .. When MSG-roads in Stavropol became 4-lane between collective farms ... Khrushchev dragged his own ..
                      Everything is as usual with us
                      1. bayard
                        bayard April 6 2021 13: 18
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                        Quote: your1970
                        Never wondered why in the USSR the currency article of the Criminal Code was similar to the article for treason

                        Yes, because in the USSR, currency was not printed. And since you have currency, it means you received it from the enemy (after all, enemies are all around - currency printers).
                        Don't you think it is logical?
                        Then there were no offshore companies.
                        And foreign trade and diplomatic workers who received the currency had to buy it or exchange it for rubles (later - checks and bonds).
                        And all the deficits in the USSR were artificial.
                        In addition, they traded with the CMEA countries for rubles - transferable rubles - the CMEA international currency.
                        Forgot ?
                        Everything that you have written is the manual of the "Catechism" and similar instructions and instructions. The deficit in the USSR was artificial - due to the sabotage of trade workers and the party workers and security officials who were corrupted by them. Khrushchev began to bring down the Power of Stalin, continued (although they held it under a healthy Leonid Ilyich) under Brezhnev, carried out under the supervision of Andropov, and ended with his protégés - Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Shevardnadze, and the alcoholic Yeltsin.
                        And this state of affairs is by no means the norm.
                        The norm was under Stalin. When the ruble was fully convertible and had gold content and coverage. All major foreign contracts were balanced by counter deliveries, and this (balance) was a sine qua non for such trade.
                        And this trade did not stop even during the war.
                        Under autarky, the Soviet Union did not need much for that very currency, and having it for the sale of oil and gas, it was quite enough.
                        But when they began to plunder this proceeds ... at all levels ... and this was encouraged and covered by the KGB ... it was already too late to drink Borjomi.

                        And now the threshold of another war.
                        Great war.
                        And before the war, they always do the cleaning.
                        For this is war.
                        Quote: your1970
                        10 kilograms of rubles per yuan, for example?

                        Not .
                        A bucket of oil for an iPhone.
                        And when the Middle East really flares up ... and the straits close ... China will not dictate the price of this bucket.
                        And about cars / cars.
                        If the foreign business leaves, the domestic business will screech with delight.
                        And at the facilities that Toyota and Foltswagens are now riveting, they will churn out new Volga, Muscovite and Lada. In Russia, a full cycle of car production has already been deployed - and engines, incl.
                        But no one is going anywhere.
                        And financial reform means gold content and currency SWAPs.
                        Everyone will trade.
                        Not over a dollar.
                        But for the euro - they will.
                        And for the yuan.
                        And for the yen.
                        And with Iran, Turkey, Vietnam, Egypt, India and more. etc. - WILL BE.
                        Russia already trades in national currencies with many states.
                        Especially with India.
                        And everyone likes such trading much more than in dollars with a double-triple conversion.
                        Everything will be as it should.
                        You have received new instructions, but you want to live according to the old ...
                        This is punished.
                      2. your1970
                        your1970 April 6 2021 14: 29
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                        Quote: bayard
                        Khrushchev began to bring down the Power of Stalin, continued (although they held it under a healthy Leonid Ilyich) under Brezhnev, carried out under the supervision of Andropov, and ended with his protégés - Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Shevardnadze, and the alcoholic Yeltsin
                        - notice- this YOU said, not I ...
                        Your statement means one thing - that the System was NOT VIABLE. Everything rested on one person - the leader, he was gone - the country was gone ...
                        And this, in turn, means that the USSR will never be again, well, there is no copier at hand to copy the Stalins ..
                        Quote: bayard
                        All major foreign contracts were balanced by counter deliveries, and this (balance) was a sine qua non for such trade.
                        And this trade did not stop even during the war.
                        - were not they are balanced all the time. Otherwise, it would not have been necessary - starting with Brezhnev, to forgive the debts of Africa and Asia with Latin America. There were so many debts that even Putin had enough to forgive the debts of these countries to the USSR

                        Quote: bayard
                        A bucket of oil for an iPhone.
                        And when the Middle East flares up for real.

                        Blazed repeatedly in the 20th century - there were no sharp jumps in oil prices. There were small rises, no more ... And the Suez Canal was closed (roofing felts for five, roofing felts for 7 years)
                        Quote: bayard
                        Under autarky, the Soviet Union did not need much for that very currency, and having it for the sale of oil and gas, it was quite enough.
                        - just the currency of the USSR was wildly needed, otherwise the question of gas pipelines in Germany would not have arisen at all. The currency was badly needed, from the purchase of technology and licenses to banal bribery and espionage .. Well, the agents in the decaying West did not want to work for rubles ... and for grain in Canada

                        Quote: bayard
                        to churn out new "Volga", "Muscovites" and "Lada". In Russia, a full cycle of car production has already been deployed - and engines, incl.
                        - and the population does not want to change to VESTA and Khreya, very much does not want to ... And having become a complete monopolist of VAZ to repeat the history of 2101 and will stamp Vesta for another 40 years .. For now, quite decent cars - for the after - the day after tomorrow - a bucket of bolts. ... If I have been driving to Khreya for 5 years already, you will not sew on me your admiration for the West lol but people why wants a Mercedes or Toyota ...

                        Z. Y.
                        Quote: bayard
                        You have received new instructions, but you want to live according to the old ...
                        This is punished.
                        - this is the legacy of the revolution - to stick a label for convenience ...

                        According to the classification of that time, you are a typical representative of the "right deviation"
                      3. bayard
                        bayard April 6 2021 17: 16
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                        Quote: your1970
                        - mind you, YOU said it, not I ...

                        yes
                        Quote: your1970
                        The system was NOT VIABLE. Everything rested on one person - the leader, he was gone - the country was gone ...

                        lol Do you seriously think so?
                        That the state and the economic (and financial) system that was broken from 1955 to 1992 ... was not viable? belay And continuing to break from 1992 to the very "Pension reform" could not break.
                        And already after Stalin's death, despite all Khrushchev's overtures (with the abolition of the government and ministries (cleaning up Stalin's cadres), defeating the new nuclear-missile race and in economic competition, enthralling a good half of humanity, creating the CMEA, raising and practically creating the states of Asia and Africa (and partly - Latin America) from the former colonies of the State, preparing personnel for them and creating an economy for them ... was this system and type of economy ... unviable?
                        You really amaze me.
                        The fact that we were owed hundreds of billions of rubles (in their gold content) is not a minus, but a plus. From the beginning of the 90s, on those Soviet and extremely favorable loans, we had to start PAYING and RETURNING. It was just that the terms of the loans were like that - they gave the young states to get on their feet.
                        This is how world markets were formed for our - Soviet industry.
                        And they were huge.
                        The USSR perished from internal treason, when party bosses and KGB officers wanted to become capitalists themselves.
                        And they began.
                        It was systematic work to decompose young people, create a deficit, and introduce an irrational system of organization and remuneration of labor.
                        This was done by Andropov, the grand-nephew of Sverdly and Yagoda.
                        And this is by no means "conspiracy theories."
                        You are communicating with a person who knows the subject too well and does not fall for ridiculous slogans.
                        Quote: your1970
                        And this, in turn, means that the USSR will never be again, well, there is no copier at hand to copy the Stalins ..

                        Don't you need the USSR?
                        So there will be China.
                        Communist China, built EXCLUSIVELY on the patterns of Comrade Stalin. They just embodied EVERYTHING that he bequeathed. And they did not come to an agreement with the enemy regarding their ideology and economy.
                        How do you like the successes of our communist neighbors?
                        State capitalism?
                        Maybe .
                        But Stalin called it the State Corporation.
                        Quote: your1970
                        - they were not balanced all the time. Otherwise, it would not have been necessary - starting with Brezhnev, to forgive the debts of Africa and Asia with Latin America.

                        The balance was in trade with developed countries. And we developed the underdeveloped, providing assistance and forming allies and MARKETS around the world.
                        And it was very successful.
                        And if they wrote off debts, they received very good preferences in return.
                        Putin did / does the same, but the offshore business still gets preferences. It is also not without benefit to the state, but the size of this benefit is different.
                        Quote: your1970
                        Blazed repeatedly in the 20th century - there were no sharp jumps in oil prices. There were small rises, no more ..

                        Sergey, are you from the moon? Or from Mars?
                        Even in the 21st century, price surges were such ... 2008 - remember?
                        First up - for $ 100. with a hook.
                        And immediately down - up to $ 20.
                        And the fluctuations between 40 and 60 - up to 70 ...
                        ... is it not hesitation?
                        Quote: your1970
                        And the Suez Canal was closed (roofing felts for five, roofing felts for 7 years)

                        yes And prices go up immediately.
                        And the refusal of the Arab countries to supply the United States out of solidarity with Palestine.
                        Do you remember? bully
                        And who then saved the United States with emergency supplies?
                        Yes, the same who is now - then the USSR, now Russia (we are already shipping more Saudis there of their heavy oil and fuel oil).
                        The subject must be KNOWLEDGE.
                        Quote: your1970
                        - just the currency of the USSR was wildly needed, otherwise the question of gas pipelines in Germany would not have arisen at all. The currency was badly needed - from the procurement of technologies and licenses to the banal

                        And Europe needed gas. smile
                        And oil. yes
                        And it will be needed in the future. There is simply nowhere else - they receive from 30 to 50% from us.
                        And if the war in the BV?
                        Against Iran, for example?
                        And his response.
                        And if it comes to nuclear weapons?
                        Israel then threatens - into radioactive ash. lol
                        No, if you really want to, then why not fight?
                        ... And the Saudis are running out of oil ...
                        Quote: your1970
                        - and the population does not want to change to VESTA and Khreya, they really do not want to ...

                        Quote: your1970
                        for some reason people want a Mercedes or a Toyota ...

                        Well, he will ride them.
                        Only the tags with the logo will change - "Mercedes" will be called "Volga", and "Toyota" - "Moskvich", or something else. request Necessity for inventions is cunning. wink
                        "Fiat" at one time became a VAZ. And then there could appear (and we wanted it more) both Renault and Toyota with Voltswagens.
                        There was then a choice, there will be now - the capacity will not remain without downtime.
                        Quote: your1970
                        According to the classification of that time, you are a typical representative of the "right deviation"

                        lol I don't bother with "isms" or labels. I have my own life credo and understanding of the current moment ... the social needs of society, the concept of justice, permissibility ... and inadmissibility.
                        I had good teachers in political economy, history, psychology and intelligence training ... And I was personally acquainted with some, now odious and textbook personalities - ideologists and beneficiaries of the first wave of privatization. And I saw some of the processes from the inside ... Therefore, I speak about them with knowledge of the subject.
                        hi bully
                      4. your1970
                        your1970 April 6 2021 17: 51
                        -1
                        you see only what you want to see

                        Quote: bayard
                        That the state and the economic (and financial) system that was broken from 1955 to 1992 ... was not viable?

                        Quote: bayard
                        The USSR perished from internal treason, when party bosses and KGB officers wanted to become capitalists themselves.

                        you yourself indignantly and angrily squeak "Unviable ??? !!!" and immediately inform you that inside (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) of this state were traitors and traitors.All polls the leaders of THIS state - according to your version - are traitors and traitors, and all the ordinary members of the CPSU were in Feng Shui - just raise their hands for another traitor
                        Do you understand that you YOURSELF, you personally say that - the USSR is completely unviable, in general - in such situations ??? !!!
                        Moreover, the USSR fully confirms my words with its fate - he died ... And you keep talking - He was viable, yeah ...

                        Quote: bayard
                        Communist China, built EXCLUSIVELY on the patterns of Comrade Stalin. They just embodied EVERYTHING that he bequeathed. And they did not collude with the enemy regarding their ideology and economics .
                        - absolutely - absolutely ??? won ... And China is aware - that when it received billions of investments and technologies from Western firms in exchange for workers costing a penny, it was he did not go conspiring with the enemy ?? Yeah ...
                        China can shout 100 times that it is communist - only on its territory there is a devilish cloud of enterprises - where China is no one to call it. Well, the main postulate of the communist theory - about the people's ownership of the means of type Communist China works sooooo

                        Quote: bayard
                        From the beginning of the 90s, on those Soviet and extremely favorable loans, we had to start PAYING and RETURNING. Simply, the terms of the loans were as follows - they gave the young states to get on their feet.
                        - even more slowly - the terms began to approach in the 70s and Brezhnev began to write off those loans
                        Not by the 90s .....

                        Quote: bayard
                        Sergey, are you from the moon? Or from Mars?
                        Even in the 21st century, price surges were such ... 2008 - remember?
                        And you are apparently from Saturn, aren't you?
                        Slowly one more time in bold- 20 century
                        Quote: your1970
                        Blazed repeatedly in 20th (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) - there were no sharp jumps in oil prices.
                        when the Arab-Israeli wars were regular. And there was also a Desert Storm - when the wells burned for a year and Iran - the Iraqi war
                        if this NOT blazed - well fool
                        You dragged 21 vefor some kind of demon

                        Quote: bayard
                        Only the tags with the logo will change - "Mercedes" will be called "Volga", and "Toyota" - "Moskvich", or something else.
                        - there you are ... the tags will change ... you will not have currency on the tags - you are going to trade for yuan ...

                        How did you do everything easily and simply, how with such knowledge and at large, I don’t understand?

                        Quote: bayard
                        I had good teachers in political economy, history, psychology and intelligence training ...
                        - you had extremely weak teachers or you skipped lectures - if you do not see and do not want to see obvious things
                      5. bayard
                        bayard April 6 2021 18: 48
                        -1
                        Began to be rude - a sign of weakness.
                        Quote: your1970
                        inside (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) of this state were traitors and traitors.

                        Yes, and unfortunately after the death / murder of Stalin, they seized power.
                        And they carried out colossal purges of the Stalinist cadres - from state bodies and law enforcement agencies, to economic positions and university teachers.
                        Quote: your1970
                        .All without exception the leaders of THIS state

                        No, not all, but an active MINORITY.
                        Which immediately took up the reprisals with rapture.
                        And in the union republics, a stake was immediately made on local nationalist and simply "national cadres" - since then it has gone that the republic was headed ONLY by a representative of the titular nationality.
                        Abolition of the Council of Ministries and sectoral ministries (!!!) with the introduction of direct party leadership of the state and the economy - through the Economic Councils.
                        Have you heard of this?
                        And why was such a blatant foolishness committed?
                        To clean up the STALINSKY PERSONNEL. To remove them from leadership positions along with the positions themselves. It was a Trotskyist coup. But the conspirators themselves did not call themselves that ... they were afraid of the WATER OF THE PEOPLE, which would simply sweep them away, burn them and scatter the ashes.
                        Khrushchev made a bet on offenders - such as Zhukov and Co.
                        And then he threw them too.
                        It’s as if a perfectly healthy person in a dark alley receives a Finn under the ribs, and scholars like you declare that he was so mortally ill initially - from birth ... that he lived with a wound and under the supervision of killer doctors for almost forty years.
                        It is useless to talk to you seriously - you do not know the real history and do not want to know, you have your own "Catechism", from those times.
                        Quote: your1970
                        - you had extremely weak teachers or you skipped lectures - if you

                        Young man, one of my programs saved the leading branch of the Russian economy in the conditions of hyperinflation in 1992 from collapse, bankruptcy and a sell-off to foreign capital. Thanks to this industry, today in Russia the standard of living that exists (and was up to 2014). Thanks to this, Russia is to this day a leading energy power.
                        And it was a financial and economic program.
                        In a hyperinflationary environment.
                        Quote: your1970
                        - there you are ... the tags will change ... you will not have currency on the tags - you are going to trade for yuan ...

                        For rubles.
                        And other currencies according to SWAPs.
                        Minus you for antics and illiteracy.
                        And a two in history and political economy.
                      6. your1970
                        your1970 April 6 2021 21: 48
                        -1
                        what are you YOURSELF(!!!) don't hear that
                        Quote: bayard
                        Not , not all(!!!!!) but an active MINORITY (!!!!!).

                        after writing
                        Quote: bayard
                        Khrushchev began to bring down the Power of Stalin, continued (although they held it under a healthy Leonid Ilyich) under Brezhnev, carried out under the supervision of Andropov, and ended with his protégés - Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Shevardnadze, and the alcoholic Yeltsin.

                        You have solemnly listed All leaders of the country, without exception ...
                        So ALL or NOT ALL??????? !!!!!!!!!!!!
                        Quote: bayard
                        Young man, one of my programs saved the leading branch of the Russian economy in the conditions of hyperinflation in 1992 from collapse, bankruptcy and a sell-off to foreign capital. Thanks to this industry, today in Russia the standard of living that exists (and was up to 2014). Thanks to this, Russia is to this day a leading energy power.
                        And it was a financial and economic program.

                        if you had such a thing even then bifurcation consciousness (ALL or not ALL) - then I understand why the country ended up in a hole. These are the economists and ruined everything to hell ...
                        And yes, this is not rudeness - it is a statement of fact. Your level of carrying a blizzard ("re-stick the tags") is visible to any unbiased person. Talking to you seriously is pointless ...
                        God - save Russia from such financial and economic blowguns !!! With all the other troubles, she herself will quite cope ...
                      7. bayard
                        bayard April 7 2021 01: 24
                        0
                        Stop clowning. You understand everything, only build Dunno-Neponimayka.
                        Quote: your1970
                        You solemnly listed ALL the leaders of the country, without exception ...
                        So ALL or NOT ALL ??????? !!!!!!!!!!!!

                        Look what a hysteria that. lol
                        Learn the history of your (if yours) state.
                        The real - the real story. There are more than enough materials now.
                        And then you will know who carried out a coup d'état (revolution in English-Latin) in 1917, and who seized power in October of the same year.
                        Who was he, and whose interests were represented by Trotsky (grandfather of Nancy Pelosi) and his company, and who was Stalin. Where was the headquarters (the real headquarters that directed all actions) of the October Revolution, and why the cruiser Aurora was brought up to it. Why did the Civil War begin, and whose interests were expressed by the so-called. White movement. What forces were represented by the various wings (factions) of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks after the victory in the Civil War. When and in what conditions Stalin's line, on Industrialization and the building of socialism in a single country, based on OWN forces, won.
                        And who opposed him.
                        And where did his enemies go after the victory of Stalin's program and the beginning of Industrialization.
                        Who led sabotage and sabotage, subversion and conspiracy to overthrow / murder Stalin.
                        Who started the terror in 1937, what caused it (the Stalinist Constitution of 1936 with universal suffrage on a competitive basis). Why did the Congress reject Stalin's idea of ​​holding free elections, and in spite of him insisted on holding the so-called purges of "unreliable elements", And as soon as at the end of 1938 it was possible to stop this wave of Trotskyist terror ... and bring to justice its perpetrators and initiators.
                        Unfortunately, not all of them - the war was approaching.
                        And my family did not pass that cup - my great-uncle, the commander of the Chapaevsk division (friend and deputy Vasily Ivanovich, and the commander after his death) was arrested in 1938 and shot by the Trotskyists' slander.
                        VKPB was by no means a monolith.
                        And it's not even about the party itself, but about the State that Stalin built. About the state of social equality, equal access for all citizens to education, health care, social lifts, the choice of professions and occupations, the education system (without any antics - the best in the World), the system of upbringing a new type of person - the Creator Man.
                        And this has been achieved.
                        And the USSR became the second economy in the world, withstood the hardest war, created the System of Socialism (the community of countries that chose this path), CMEA, became a co-founder of the UN.
                        This is the state that Stalin built.
                        And it was precisely this state that the Trotskyist Khrushchev broke and ruined.
                        When this ghoul, the illegally born son of a Polish tycoon who fled to England after the revolution, completely lost his shores, even his entourage removed him from power, and, albeit not fully, restored the State built by Stalin. The Government and the Council of Ministers with sectoral ministries were recreated, and part of the former norms of social, economic and party life was restored. Any stuttering about the "personality cult" was banned. A soft rehabilitation and restoration of Stalin's true appearance began (films, books, educational materials). But even these rehabilitation measures turned out to be half-hearted, and those guilty of the conspiracy were not punished.
                        And a huge disaster for the state turned out to be the appointment to the post of the head of the KGB ... a generic Trotskyite, nephew of Sverdlov and Yagoda, who hid his true origin and even his real name - Andropov.
                        So he then became the main moderator, coordinator, leader and protector of the Trotskyist underground in the USSR.
                        Yakovlev, Shevardnadze, Gorbachev and other herd of destroyers of the country became his chicks.
                        So if you call them a disease, then yes - the USSR was sick. Sick of the Trotskyist virus.
                        But Trotsky did not build the USSR. Moreover, in the form in which Stalin built it. And his horde too, being in the state body. Trotsky arrived in Russia from New York in 1917 with the money and authority to destroy Russia, undermine her vitality, eliminate her (Russia’s) best sons and daughters ... and then hand over Russia in a fragmented and extremely weakened form to American corporations. The British were also in the party, but its main curators were from the United States.
                        And the mafia organized by this "demon of revolution" continued its subversive activities in the USSR after its expulsion. And after Stalin's death, and especially after Andropov headed the KGB, it leaked into all the pores and power structures of the state, occupied warm and very influential places there and began to prepare a revenge.
                        But for this it was necessary to wait for the change of generations.
                        And when they felt that they could already ... they did it.
                        They were not morally and spiritually part of that great state. They were diversionists.
                        And yes - it was Andropov who organized and insisted on the entry of our troops into Afghanistan. Despite the fact that the military were against, the Politburo did not want this either, but at that ominous meeting it was Andropov who convinced everyone that Amin was a traitor and wanted to invite the Americans. It was pure water - FALSE! But this lie convinced the Politburo to make a fatal decision.
                        Absolutely unnecessary and extremely harmful.
                        ... And the person who helped him in this misinformation ... received a very big promotion ... I have not even heard of this before - a general's position with the rank of ... captain.
                        Learn history and behave yourself, for all evil and untruth are punishable.
                      8. your1970
                        your1970 April 7 2021 12: 42
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                        Quote: bayard
                        Learn history and behave yourself, for all evil and untruth are punishable.

                        Your great-uncle Kutyakov, apparently did not know this ...
                        Very much the glory from them with Vasily Ivanovich remained in the Volga region ... specific, let's say ..
                        It may well be that perfect evil is punishable ...
                        There were such villages as Rastyapino and Ruined ..
                        And Solyanka did not suffer practically - the one that Furmanov described

                        Z. Y.
                        And the division too ... it was commanded by all and sundry -14 commanders from 1918 to 1921. And after her death, they did not restore it, regardless of its history ..
                      9. bayard
                        bayard April 7 2021 18: 44
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                        Quote: your1970
                        Very much the glory from them with Vasily Ivanovich remained in the Volga region ... specific

                        Civil war - it is so ... people are raging ... on both sides.
                        By the way, in my childhood I was friends with the youngest grandson of the general from the Cossacks of the Urals - Borodin. The same general who planned the operation to defeat the Chapaevsky headquarters. Soon after those events, he was seriously wounded, his subordinates depicted his death and funeral, and he himself later lived in the ancestral village of General Khanzhin (Chingizid and the hereditary ataman of the Ural and Semirechensky Troops). He lived until the mid-70s.
                        And his grandson Sasha was a year younger than me.
                        By the way, Borodin's children became Soviet officers ... and grandchildren too ...
                        So I know both sides of that war.
                        As in fact, what is a real Civil War - I have been living on it for seven years - Donetsk.
                        And I also studied with the great-grandson of the general from infantry Yudenich, on the same course at a military university.
                        The grandfather of one of my friends was an officer from Kolchak's headquarters ... there is also a military dynasty ...
                        So we survived the civil war that our enemies perpetrated ... and many officers and generals of the so-called. The "White Army" went over to the service of the new Russia - the USSR. And they became its commanders, teachers of military academies, military consultants ... Because the October coup / seizure of power from the traitors to the Motherland, was planned and carried out by generals Bonch-Bruyevich and Potapov, by the forces of the Russian "special forces", trained and military coordination in Finland , and in direct interaction with the Bolsheviks - Stalin and Dzerzhinsky.
                        Neither Trotsky nor Lenin was devoted to these plans.
                        Russian intelligence and the General Staff (for the most part of their staff) made this interception of power, literally catching it by the collar at the last moment and pulling its Fatherland, which was crumbling before our eyes, from the abyss.
                        And it was they, the Russian officers and generals, who won the Civil War for the Bolsheviks. They created and led the Red Army (Trotsky at one time created the so-called "Red Guard" out of criminals and thugs, whom the Cheka of Dzerzhinsky would then catch and shoot throughout the country throughout the year), defeated the army of collaborators - the so-called. "White movement", coped with the invaders and restored the borders of the Fatherland to almost the same size.
                        The Baltic states and Bessarabia were returned later, but the Kara and Erzurum regions could not ... because of the special relationship with Ataturk.
                        And Poland and Finland were given freedom.
                        Quote: your1970
                        It may well be that perfect evil is punishable ...

                        It is always punishable.
                        And the White Cossacks did a lot of harm too - they behaved on campaigns as in a foreign country, they hunted robbery so much that they grew overgrown with wagons with good beyond any measure, losing mobility. So the Cossacks also made a lot of fun ... Which is also understandable - they were all front-line soldiers of WWII ... which grew into our Civil War ... And tired "people of war" always tend to simple decisions.
  • brother Goronflo
    brother Goronflo 7 March 2021 16: 45
    +1
    In 10 years, the number of the able-bodied population in Russia will decrease by at least one and a half times !!! Therefore, ......... further, this is it ....
    1. Alexander Sapronov
      Alexander Sapronov 2 May 2021 03: 07
      0
      as if soon there will be no one to fix the tremors ... but the author will fly into space ...
  • VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 5 March 2021 07: 13
    -7
    Russia is a superpower! And America is a rusty colossus! Their outdated Minutement and floating air barges can only be intimidated by the banana republics! The USA does not have its own modern developments! There is huge inflation in the country! They are afraid to just declare a default! And the Perimeter system in Russia nullifies all the attempts of America! They have an army created for corruption, Anya for war! An example, why create an invisible plane that Rossi can still see? This is deceiving ourselves and drank money on the production of weapons!
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  • Jager
    Jager 4 March 2021 15: 20
    +3
    And where do they need to develop, it remains only to devour Belarus and everything, NATO has already swallowed the rest.
  • ironic
    ironic 4 March 2021 20: 01
    -7
    I'll tell you more. Ignore followed even more after the Poseidon-Storm-Vanguard Epic. Because it became very clear to serious people that nothing serious from this will happen even with the Vanguard alive and not only the author of the article is not clear why. We need to write an article about this.
  • Plate
    Plate 1 June 2021 16: 33
    0
    And now, they tell us, when all our warnings have been ignored in the most arrogant and humiliating way, they say, slow down, because you don't know what you are doing ...

    If you think about it, there is a sensible idea. Obviously, if the States wants to overtake us in something, they will overtake. They can print as much of their dollars as they want, but we have to defend each ruble in the sweat of labor. So they can definitely invest more money. Our only way to stay first in such a situation is to invent something new all the time, to produce a small batch, and then immediately take on the next. Only then will we be able to maintain a long-term leadership in the arms race with the United States, if we get involved in it.
    By the way, in my opinion, this is a positive scenario, since it sharply accelerates scientific and technological progress in general. The question is, can we pass one novelty after another? Really a novelty, not an upgrade.
  • Far B
    Far B 4 March 2021 03: 57
    +24
    In the last century, the Soviet Union and the United States, even in the most acute periods, were able to talk with each other, as well as conclude treaties on the control of nuclear potential. Now the situation of deep mistrust is aggravated by the emergence of new means of delivery of nuclear weapons capable of changing the balance of nuclear forces on the planet.
    Nope. In the last century, the parties have been forced to talk to each other due to the relative parity of forces between NATO and the ATS (both economic and military). And each side understood that there was really no point in unleashing a war - it would still go into the phase of a war of attrition, after which you would hardly be able to recover, even if you won. And now the countries of the collective West totally dominate Russia in the economy so strongly that they simply do not see the point in negotiations. If they wanted to, they introduced sanctions (to distract their electorate or remind them who is the king of the hill in the sandbox). Our upper ones are trying to bark something in response in the style of an offended puppy ("express concern"), but de facto they can not do anything. And this state of affairs will not change until Russia has a developed economy. And under the current government, with its Putinomics, irreplaceable managers who are asleep and see to get all transnational corporations as leaders (by the way, someone in the know - Chubais has already been lured away by some Gugol or British Petroleum by the chairman of the board of directors or at least the general director ?), changes in the economy, at least for the better, cannot be expected.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 4 March 2021 04: 14
      +19
      Quote: Dalny V
      the countries of the collective West totally dominate Russia in the economy so strongly that they simply do not see the point in negotiations

      In one good book I read the following thought: “It is not death itself that is terrible, but helplessness before the arbitrariness of those who believe that they have, if not the right, then the opportunity to take someone else’s life. It’s not scary to die when you understand that you deserve this death, it’s worse die just for the sake of someone else's whim. "
      Here's how to understand this "high sitting", so that they have already taken some measures and protected the people from such experiences
      1. dauria
        dauria 4 March 2021 06: 25
        +5
        Here's how to understand this "high sitting", so that they have already taken some measures and protected the people from such experiences


        Miracles ... It was scary in the 70s and 80s. Understandable and scary. 120 million lives on both sides. Concrete plans, clear and competent preparation for a nuclear war. Not only the army, but also industry, transport, civilians.
        And now ? Is it with our bourgeois system? Well, they will give a little hara, and with the aim of not crushing, having received a response. And to scare the top to shit, so that they obediently agree and do not show off. They are not worried about Russia - it itself will not pull real armed forces with such an economy and people. They are worried about China. Its economy, science, people, armed forces.
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 4 March 2021 09: 03
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          Well, they'll give you a little hara,

          What is it like? How are you "slightly" ready to get the hara? In units of measurement
          1. dauria
            dauria 4 March 2021 11: 56
            +3
            What is it like? How are you "slightly" ready to get the hara? In units of measurement


            Do you need scripts from their General Staff or ours? So I have no admission. And slightly - for example, in the same Syria. If they really want to be kicked out, they will be kicked out of Iraq and Libya. I don’t know about politics, but from a military point of view, we are nowhere further vulnerable. Let's start a nuclear war in response? It's funny. Or Ukraine - will be admitted to NATO or even simpler - they will install bases and conclude a bilateral agreement.
            The trick is that they see the Russian Federation not as a potential adversary, but as a future vassal-ally against China. And that's all. In that
            and the reason for their smart mild pressure. And our "patience".
            1. Ka-52
              Ka-52 4 March 2021 12: 00
              -2
              They will really want to be thrown out, as from Iraq and Libya - they will be thrown out

              will not want and will not be thrown out. In any case, not by direct military action. To fantasize about this is the same extreme, as well as a hack-hack like "oh, we all use a nuclear baton on kumpol ...."
              The trick is that they view the Russian Federation not as a potential adversary, but as a future vassal ally against China.

              Well, this is a completely fantastic scenario. It is highly doubtful.
              1. dauria
                dauria 4 March 2021 12: 08
                +4
                Well, this is a completely fantastic scenario. It is highly doubtful.

                This is the most realistic scenario. Most desirable for the USA. For China, the desired desirable is the US war with Russia. For us - to sit and not shine. Actually, there is no choice. Too weak and dependent. There is no longer a force capable of walking from the GDR to Lisbon in a couple of weeks and making the war meaningless for the United States.
                1. Ka-52
                  Ka-52 4 March 2021 12: 19
                  -6
                  There is no longer a force capable of walking from the GDR to Lisbon in a couple of weeks and making the war meaningless for the United States.

                  from "GDR to Lisbon" was the same horror story as the Poseidons are now. The parties invent horror stories for each other, so that
                  sit and not shine

                  therefore, we and they will sit and not shine. And that is why now they have been working for a long time using other methods: unleashing local conflicts in border locations, organizing "hydrological revolutions", economic sanctions, etc.
                  The most desirable for the USA

                  I doubt very much that the United States is interested in the war between Russia and China.
                  1. dauria
                    dauria 4 March 2021 12: 54
                    +5
                    from the "GDR to Lisbon" was the same horror story as the Poseidons are now


                    Do you know why the Surgut-Polotsk oil pipeline was stretched and two refineries were built in Belarus in 81st? Supply of fuel to the troops of the western direction. This "horror story", as you
                    Imagine it, it was not just real, it was provided with all the resources, planned down to the number of footcloths. And then the cadets of military schools were trained precisely with this simple and terrible truth - there should not be Americans on the shores of Europe. And no one imagined a conventional war.
                    Then there were people in the leadership who knew the war and its laws like the back of their hand. Not dreamers.
                    1. Ka-52
                      Ka-52 5 March 2021 11: 48
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                      This "horror story", as you
                      imagine her

                      I was part of this horror story from 1978 to 1993. So don't pee sarcastically for me. A scary story is an argument that makes the enemy refrain from even the thought of resolving a dispute with you by force of arms. How do you represent our strategic nuclear forces? What is R-36M? Cappuccino machine? No, this is a horror story for Americans. Thanks, among other things, to her, they sat and did not shine.
                      Then there were people in the leadership who knew the war and its laws like the back of their hand. Not dreamers.

                      The war of 60-80 years between the USA and the USSR, with a high degree of probability, could not have laws. This is not Prokhorovka. It did not happen just because the parties were afraid of each other.
                2. Yura
                  Yura 4 March 2021 13: 42
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                  Quote: dauria
                  For China, the desired desired is the war between the United States and Russia

                  You are wrong, for China this war is no less destructive, regardless of who wins. All of its economic power rests on the world consumption of its products.
                  1. dauria
                    dauria 4 March 2021 14: 01
                    +1
                    for China, this war is no less destructive, regardless of who wins.


                    It doesn't matter who wins. Both the Russian Federation and the United States will weaken. And then the Chinese will occupy the US markets, and will make the yuan the world currency, and will dictate who and how much to sell them resources. For them, this is the perfect way to kick the US out of the competition. Unrealizable. Rather, it will be-will push the Russian Federation to a confrontation with China.
                    1. Yura
                      Yura 4 March 2021 14: 19
                      +2
                      I mean that, about the markets, they will not be.
              2. sniperino
                sniperino 5 March 2021 11: 21
                0
                Quote: Ka-52
                They will really want to be thrown out, as from Iraq and Libya - they will be thrown out
                Fantasizing about it is as extreme as hating.
                A kind of self-satisfaction.
            2. timokhin-aa
              timokhin-aa 4 March 2021 20: 28
              +2
              The trick is that they see the Russian Federation not as a potential adversary, but as a future vassal-ally against China. And that's all. In that


              Some kind of BDSM. Let's squeeze these Russians down properly, organize several thousand corpses for them in Donbass, after that they will want to fight for us against China anyway.

              No, I have met such a brilliant idea from amers. But in Russia, how can you believe this?
        2. Ptolemy Lag
          Ptolemy Lag 4 March 2021 10: 08
          0
          Will pull, Dauria, pull, still pull! But ... with one tiny condition ...
        3. D16
          D16 4 March 2021 10: 50
          -4
          Well, they will give them a little hara, and with the aim of not crushing them, having received a reply. And scare the top to shit

          Posseidon and Petrel are both being developed to give a "slightly" hara response. Namely, on the port infrastructure and fleet bases. Good demand to seal the Americans on the island without using the Strategic Missile Forces. As long as the Americans are clearing the rubble in the ports, the war in Europe will already be over.
          1. TRex
            TRex 4 March 2021 14: 57
            -1
            the war in Europe is already over. Ilya! Of course it will end, but it is not clear in what place of the globe - in the Ural Mountains or in the Pyrenees ... Or do we have that "indestructible and legendary" one? I think - it does not exist ... There is no army, no national unity, no ideology ... For twenty years now everything has been sharpened for the loot and business of the criminal oligarchy ruling the territory.
            So all hope is to maintain the nuclear triad in a more or less operational state ...
            And there is still the development of near space, the deployment of bases on the Moon (so far only scientific), flights to Mars - we are generally in ... opera on these matters and the prospects are murky. Instead of the Khrunichev Institute, there will be shopping centers and elite buildings ... Well, everyone knows about this, they just prefer to keep quiet ... And when the time comes and a cruiser from Star Wars appears in orbit with an American flag on board, then Rogozin will definitely jump on a trampoline from a grenade in hand shouting "For the Motherland, for the hero of labor Rotenberg !!!" ???
            1. D16
              D16 4 March 2021 16: 02
              -4
              Or do we have the same "indestructible and legendary"? I think - there is no it ... There is no army, no national unity, no ideology ..

              Nowadays, tank wedges and tactical nuclear weapons rule laughing (from). And we have enough of both for the whole of Europe. It is necessary to isolate the United States, and the concept of a limited nuclear war will sparkle with new colors. Another question is that we don't need it. But if the opponents want, then it is possible in a limited nuclear.
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 4 March 2021 18: 55
                -1
                the isolation has grown, Ilya? how you isolate the United States from their vassals of whom almost the whole world? no need to pass off the wishlist for reality ...
                1. D16
                  D16 4 March 2021 20: 33
                  0
                  the isolation has grown, Ilya?

                  She was entered in the Guinness Book of Records for the longest body laughing ... And even this year the flag will be raised. And they threaten to arm something else with Posseidons.
                  1. 2 Level Advisor
                    2 Level Advisor 4 March 2021 21: 22
                    0
                    Now, not rockets run the world, but the economy and the dollar, have you thought about it? otherwise we, as the 2nd in the strength of the world's armed forces, would have been the second economy for a long time, as it was accepted 1000 years ago ..
                    and you answered my question with humor, I respect it, but not in essence because I agree there is nothing to answer. respectfully hi
                    1. D16
                      D16 4 March 2021 22: 03
                      +2
                      Now, not rockets run the world, but the economy and the dollar, have you thought about it?

                      Yes Yes. But this is up to the nearest badabum. In Texas, electricity prices went up to $ 9 per kW. It is clear why they have such a large GDP. lol
                      otherwise we, as the 2nd in the strength of the world's armed forces, would have been the second economy for a long time, as it was accepted 1000 years ago ..

                      “I will buy everything,” said the gold; “I'll take everything,” said the damask. (A.S. Pushkin. C)
                      Here is such a paradox laughing ... What was the Vikings' economy like? Compared to Britain, none. And the Anglo-Saxons had as and when they wanted. The Roman Empire and Constantinople were also not the most advanced economies of that time.
                      1. 2 Level Advisor
                        2 Level Advisor 5 March 2021 09: 07
                        +1
                        1. I agree with the global badaduma. But when will it be, maybe in 500 years, or maybe it won't be at all? and it will definitely be good for us if it happens?
                        2. So I say, this logic (of a strong army) is fair for the Vikings and barbarians, but they are now gone for a long time .. and we are not barbarians and not Vikings, much less than even the USSR was ..
                        3. Rome and Constantinople did not control the whole world, but the Anglo-Saxons do — see the difference?
                        Total: point 1 is real, but somehow there is no certainty that this badabum will not cost us very much too .. and after it, no matter how we got to the United States .. there are a lot of neighbors, but the population is small, and there is a lot of wealth .. I'm afraid in the new world, we can not become Vikings, but Rome ..
                        absolutely the bottom line: I see no way to overthrow the hegemony of the Naglo-Saxons except for a cataclysm, and with weapons with exact success - only if we have allies on the Death Star in orbit tomorrow ..
                        and so, neither we nor they on us, in the foreseeable future, will not attack, there are no prerequisites and goals that are worthwhile ..
                      2. D16
                        D16 5 March 2021 11: 25
                        -1
                        But when will it be, maybe in 500 years, or maybe it won't be at all? and it will definitely be good for us if it happens?

                        So it doesn't have to be a Yellowstone eruption. Judging by the election news and BLM guys are on the right track. The day is not far off when the mexes begin to finish building the Trump wall on their own laughing
                        So I say, this logic (of a strong army) is true for the Vikings and barbarians,

                        But what about:
                        otherwise we, as the 2nd in the strength of the world's armed forces, would have been the second economy for a long time, as it was accepted 1000 years ago ..
                        You will already decide on the need for the economy lol
                        but they are now long gone .. and we are not barbarians and not Vikings, much less than even the USSR was ..

                        But what about Poland, Ukraine, "Baltic Tigers" laughing who single-handedly restrain the onslaught of barefoot barbaric Russia, defending the European Union from our aggression? And in some ways they are right. Russia is very much hampered by this education. Moreover, his appearance each time ended with his destruction after the next bloody war he justified.
                        absolutely the bottom line: I see no way to overthrow the hegemony of the Naglo-Saxons except for a cataclysm, and with weapons with exact success - only if we have allies on the Death Star in orbit tomorrow ..

                        Yeah. I will be happy to see them sail from the beaches of the east coast on drang nach osten on drang nach osten lol .
                        and so, neither we nor they on us, in the foreseeable future, will not attack, there are no prerequisites and goals that are worthwhile ..

                        Of course. Until a critical mass of shit once again ripens by leaps and bounds of the next crisis.
                      3. 2 Level Advisor
                        2 Level Advisor 5 March 2021 12: 06
                        +2
                        1. About BLM, then you are right laughing although I think it is still unlikely .. it seems this is an internal game, there are not enough blacks in the USA and they have no real force for such movements .. someone shakes the situation, but! I do not think that without the knowledge of one of their powers that be, blacks with them are more serious, they have acted more than once, and nothing ..
                        2. In the sense of the economy / "Viking power" will be needed only if the states collapse, while they are in the saddle, it will not be needed .. I mean it .. but so far there are no real prospects ..
                        3. Balts, etc. "tigers" - oh well .. found a hindrance, if hehemon collapses, they will immediately be asked to be friends laughing
                        4. Here is the question about the critical mass .. for example, the crisis with the "crown" is the same compare to a small world war and, as always, the right people made money on it .. under their careful guidance, everything passed .. ie. having such power and opportunities, will they allow a real critical mass to gather? only if hehemon collapses ..
                        And again the result: if all sorts of "BLM" or something else destroy hehemon, we will return to the power of power in the world in the first place, but for now - first of all - the power of money and the real prospect of its collapse in the near future, I personally, not watching .. hi
                      4. D16
                        D16 5 March 2021 13: 04
                        +1
                        As for BLM, you are right laughing although I think it’s still unlikely .. it seems these are internal games - there are not enough blacks in the USA and they have no real force for such movements ..

                        However, the Oscars for the best roles were divided equally between colored and white, although initially there were no colored ones there. Statistically, there are not many rainbows either, but in America and Europe, tolerance knows no boundaries.
                        "Vikings' power" will be needed only if the states collapse, while they are in the saddle, they will not be needed .. I'm talking about that .. but so far there are no real prospects ..

                        After five years of pickling in their own tin can in their own juice, they smell so much that, not like the Vikings, Mexicans are isolated from them.
                        Balts, etc. "tigers" - oh well .. found a hindrance

                        This is a consumable for the first stage of the upcoming war.
                        the crisis with the "crown" is the same compare to a small world war and, as always, the right people made money on it.

                        Most of the pension funds earn on the crown. Not the most passionate part of the population and visitors dies. Quite the opposite.
                        And again the result: if all sorts of "BLM" or something else destroy hehemon, we will return to the power of power in the world in the first place, but for now - in the first place - the power of money

                        Not. Of course, there will be no one-time destruction. There will be a gradual degradation, which will be greatly accelerated by the possible limited nuclear weapons Entente vs Russia. smile So to speak. 9 bucks per kW is a sign of lack of power in money and a sign that something has gone wrong with the real economy. But where are the blacks and blues, and where is the real economy? laughing
          2. D16
            D16 4 March 2021 22: 28
            +1
            how you isolate the United States from their vassals of whom almost the whole world?

            Regular destruction of port infrastructure. And not a reason to commit suicide in TMV, and a furry animal in logistics. How to send troops, how to supply them in Europe? laughing .
        4. ironic
          ironic 4 March 2021 20: 27
          -3
          Only the time has changed again, the lads went into a different world, the torn down towers collapsed a long time ago, and the return of Barogin never happened. Russia has a lot of tactical nuclear weapons, but its capacities and carriers are mostly large-scaled, strategic at the time, and not large-scaled in numbers, and they have not come out yet, and so far in quality. And the tank wedges rule now mainly on the remelting. He is metal and metal in Africa. So you can only limit the United States with a pencil on the map. So they can wage local wars even with the use of TNW, because there is something, it is, it is, and it is where. And if the Russian Federation closes up somewhere like that 100kt or even 250, then it will immediately be TMV and it will not matter where.
          1. D16
            D16 4 March 2021 20: 49
            +1
            And if the Russian Federation closes up somewhere like that 100kt or even 250, then it will immediately be TMV and it will not matter where.

            Americans, too, will not rush to their forefathers.
            TNW was and is different, for all occasions. There are also six-inch shells. But this is not a matter of principle. An air explosion of 100 kTn will cause less damage to the environment than a 5 kTn ground one. If the Yars and Maces did not take off, then TNW is used, which means there is a limited war. lol
            1. ironic
              ironic 4 March 2021 20: 55
              -3
              The fact of the matter is that this is - 6th shells are still there. Tin it. The explosion can be air, only 100kt, if not underground, then it is immediately TMV. But Amy 50kt are collected only with penetration through the bunkers. Which is understandable. And who will give the order to the Yars and Bulavs, if there were no nuclear explosions on the territory of the Russian Federation? Nobody. Or vice versa, what an unlikely scenario, but ... they flew away long ago.
              1. D16
                D16 4 March 2021 21: 16
                +1
                But Amy 50kt are collected only with penetration through the bunkers.

                Maybe they are going, but only this is not.
                The explosion can be air, only 100kt, if not underground, then it is immediately TMV.

                Why do you think so? Are the Anglo-Saxons suicidal? What about a series of underwater explosions blowing out the port infrastructure? Will TMV start? I strongly doubt it.
                1. ironic
                  ironic 4 March 2021 21: 31
                  -3
                  How is it not when there is? Free fall with correction, with a penetrating core in the head and with a variable explosion power. If there is less in the air, if under the land, then more. The maximum for new ones is half a century, and in the air it can be 5 and 10 times weaker.
                2. D16
                  D16 4 March 2021 21: 43
                  +4
                  Free-falling with correction, with a penetrating core in the head and with a variable explosion power.

                  Ahh .... Free Falling lol ... Well, this fundamentally changes the matter laughing ... And how will it end up over the bunker?
                3. ironic
                  ironic 6 March 2021 02: 04
                  -2
                  The F-35 will help her and he will drop it from a distance of the very kilometers that he will need to get away from the close air defense, and the distant one will remove a pair of the same with anti-radar missiles.
                4. D16
                  D16 6 March 2021 08: 27
                  0
                  The F-35 will help her and he will drop it from a distance of the very kilometers that he will need to get away from the close air defense, and the distant one will remove a pair of the same with anti-radar missiles.

                  As it turns out, everything is simple laughing ... In order to destroy what you call long-range air defense, you need to destroy the close one, which covers it from the ASP. ASP, including slow, absolutely non-maneuverable and vulnerable planning bombs, food for close air defense. In order to throw the gliding B-61 35mu far, you need to climb high and accelerate to supersonic. How it will end both for him and for the bomb, you probably guess. After all, any object that deserves to be destroyed in this way will be covered by air defense systems in full.
                5. ironic
                  ironic 9 March 2021 14: 28
                  0
                  Does it cover directly? Well, this has not yet worked out very well in Syria. Of course, I understand that the air defense of the Russian Federation is a step up in a more serious organization, but after the exchange of ICBMs, it will not be at the most general level. And the 35A is not at all difficult on a non-afterburner super cruise to reach the so-called. almost supersonic at 1.1-1.2M (for the real one counts with 1.25M, therefore soul-saving songs are circulating, that this is supposedly not a real supersonic) at an altitude and in order to see it, long-range air defense will be needed so that it flew very close and flew away at all slowly and while without electronic warfare and without height maneuver.
                6. D16
                  D16 9 March 2021 17: 46
                  0
                  Well, this has not been very successful in Syria yet.

                  In Khmeimim and Tartus, it is quite successful, in the rest of the air defense system there is no air defense system, and the presence of a certain amount of not the most ancient complexes does not play a special role. The system is based on observation stations, which should provide full coverage not only of their territory, but also look into neighbors. And there are only two or three of them, bought in China. They cover only the most important areas, nothing more. There is no automated target designation system either.
                  but after the exchange of ICBMs, it will not be at the most general level.

                  I think that after the exchange of ICBMs there will be no one to fly, and there is no need to.
                  But before the exchange, the observation station of the meter range will see it at the maximum possible distance after it leaves from behind the radio horizon, and the ACS will issue a control center to even a fighter with MANPADS, even to any complex with an optical station located in the radius of destruction.
                7. ironic
                  ironic 9 March 2021 23: 44
                  0
                  Yes, we all saw the tails cut by splinters at the wings. And this is not a parity adversary under constant pressure from all sides. And we also saw screenshots from the 400th, which supposedly had to be shown by the F-16, but it turned out to be Greek and Turkish liners. And they heard statements all over the world that everything in Syria is closed in a single communication system ...

                  Namely, in those 30-40 minutes while ICBMs are flying, everything that should fly and swim towards the enemy does not begin to float and take off at all. Only those who are ordered to pretend to be calm and present to the last come and take off.
                  VHF observation stations see a lot of things, but nothing for sure. It cannot issue anything other than a warning to the radars closest to the air defense detection zone. And MANPADS is good for helicopters, for UAVs, and even then not for all ... On the 35th from MANPADS it is nowhere.
                8. 3danimal
                  3danimal 9 March 2021 23: 51
                  0
                  But before the exchange, the observation station of the meter range will see it at the maximum possible distance after it leaves from behind the radio horizon

                  First, not at any distance. Waves from the glider with the maximum reflection of the radar radiation to the sides will still return in a smaller amount, albeit ignoring the RPM.
                  Remember why air defense systems are equipped precisely with range radars. Even the S-125. - It's about accuracy.
                  A missile with a semi-active seeker receives illumination in a cm range or less, and an active radar seeker of newer missiles also works in it.
                  ACS will issue a control center even to a fighter with MANPADS

                  MANPADS that can reach 30 km? smile
                  In Khmeimim and Tartus it turns out quite well ...
                  The system is based on observation stations, which should provide full coverage not only of their territory, but also look into neighbors

                  Khmeinim and Tartus - none of the developed countries tried to suppress air defense there. Ground air defense is confidently "understood" by aviation these days.
                  This is possible even without stealth.
                  Typical scenario:
                  After conducting RTR reconnaissance, send a group of aircraft with 100+ missile launchers to the targets at low altitude, the second group launches dozens of MALD'n (unmanned simulators of CD and aircraft), forcing the air defense to turn on the radar.
                  The group with PRR makes a jump, launches its "load", descends and goes back.
                  And the air defenses are forced to do something with hundreds of high-speed targets with low RCS that fly to kill them (stress factor). Mixed with whole MALDs. Each element affected reduces the overall defenses.
                  And here it is corny there will not be enough guidance channels and ammunition.
                  And after the first group, the second can fly ...
  • ironic
    ironic 4 March 2021 20: 17
    -2
    But it turned out as always. No one will answer them, but one petrel has already made two floods and one storm in Severodvinsk, while America has not suffered. But if Poseidon arranges a storm at his base, then not only everyone will suffer, but it will be impossible to wash it off in international relations at all.
    1. D16
      D16 4 March 2021 21: 01
      +1
      But it turned out as always.

      The war has not yet begun, so nothing has worked out yet.
      but one petrel has already made two floods and one storm in Severodvinsk

      I don't know what went wrong in Severodvinsk. But if it were an engine from the Petrel, and there is nothing else to explode there, there would be a wild spread of radioactive materials, but this would not have happened. I tend to believe the official version:
      There was an explosion of the components of the residual liquid fuel during the tests of the atomic battery in the R-29.
      1. ironic
        ironic 4 March 2021 21: 26
        -4
        It turned out to create a question about dirty weapons, which have so far been associated not with a self-respecting power, but with terrorists taking hostages and demanding ransoms.
        And there was such an outburst that your neighbors noticed it. I don’t believe it. With this engine, this is like a minimum of the third zalepa, two more were caught from under the water, if of course they caught it, which the neighbors also reported about.
        1. D16
          D16 4 March 2021 21: 36
          +1
          two more were caught from under the water, if of course they were caught, which the neighbors also reported.

          One way or another, but for testing, the rocket must be launched. What is easier, to raise a whole engine out of the water, or to collect scattered remains of uranium HE on the landfill?
          And there was such an outburst that your neighbors noticed it

          So they wrote about a nuclear power source. If the engine had zhahnul, Severodvinsk would have been relocated long ago. But in Matzah's Ukhe, they don't pay attention to such trifles. laughing
          1. Sarboz
            Sarboz 5 March 2021 09: 48
            +1
            Quote: D16
            But in Matzah's Ukhe, they don't pay attention to such trifles.

            Ilya, your interlocutor also does not pay attention to your arguments at all. He is not interested in this. In each of his comments, he will stubbornly promote "his" simple theses about a limited nuclear strike, about the impossibility of causing unacceptable damage by the nuclear weapons existing on the sides, about the superiority of Americans in all spheres of existence, about innate racism and anti-Semitism of Russians. He simply provokes the interlocutor for a response, waits for him, in a fit of righteous indignation, to respond emotionally and accidentally use a number of words and concepts that are forbidden in a tolerant society. Don't waste your time pouring water on the provocateurs' mill.
            1. D16
              D16 5 March 2021 10: 40
              0
              In each of his comments he will stubbornly promote "his" simple theses about a limited nuclear strike

              So I also promote theses about the possibility of winning in a limited nuclear war without any global sacrifices and harm to the environment. And a completely fair opinion about the elite's unwillingness to burn out in TMV is equally true for all parties to the conflict.
              He simply provokes the interlocutor to a response, waits for him, in a fit of righteous indignation, to respond emotionally and accidentally use a number of words and concepts that are forbidden in a tolerant society.

              Why should I be rude to him? It is much more pleasant to understand what is the weakness of the opponent's position and politely put pressure on this corn laughing .
              1. Sarboz
                Sarboz 5 March 2021 11: 04
                +1
                Quote: D16
                It is much more pleasant to understand what is the weakness of the opponent's position and politely put pressure on this corn

                The point is that such opponents have no weak points. As we shall say, Jen Psaki has no weak points. She does not pay attention to her mistakes, the absence of arguments and logic in her speech, to the arguments of her interlocutors, which seem to destroy her pitiful mental constructs. She continues to repeat her theses with such a kind of inner superiority, as if by her previous stupidity it was she who had nailed the interlocutor to the pillar of shame, and not he with her logical argumentation.
                And this comrade is a fanatic, his only corn is hatred for everything Soviet, for the Russian world, which he left.
              2. D16
                D16 5 March 2021 11: 35
                +1
                Well, you shouldn't be so. I'm not playing chess with a pigeon. Although ... God bless him also flew away. Even though I didn't shit on the boardlaughing.
              3. ironic
                ironic 6 March 2021 02: 41
                0
                I thank you on your board for not shitting? Well, thank you, respected. I will forever remember your exquisite justice. sad
              4. D16
                D16 6 March 2021 08: 29
                0
                You're welcome hi
              5. ironic
                ironic 9 March 2021 14: 00
                0
                Yes, already fecal refinement cannot but appeal to gratitude ...
        2. ironic
          ironic 6 March 2021 02: 38
          +1
          You don't have any places at all, because you are semmetric in all directions and in any direction of your writing activity and probably not only, although I doubt that in reality you behave the same way. You have no understanding of what logic is, what an argument is, or what an argument is. How do you know what others have if you don't have the slightest idea about it? How can you recognize stupidity in posting differently, if you cannot be surpassed by this parameter? But in terms of fanaticism, you still have a lot of competitors, zombies, the same as you, go around the forum and repeat their mossy mantras for a long time, but this does not bother you. And another slander. I never wrote that everything was bad in the USSR. There were certainly some positive things. And of course I hate Russians, but how could it be otherwise. I hate the investors of my startup, I hate a good half of my colleagues ... You are a fool, spiteful, offended, probably not too wealthy and envious, ripping off your depressed people by means of couch patriotism.
        3. D16
          D16 6 March 2021 08: 45
          +1
          To whom is this stream of unclouded consciousness addressed? Me or Oleg? I have already ceased to understand.
        4. Sarboz
          Sarboz 6 March 2021 11: 36
          0
          Quote: D16
          To whom is this stream of unclouded consciousness addressed? Me or Oleg? I have already ceased to understand.

          Yes, it’s me, in passing, apparently this lucky startup from Israel stepped on his corn. I didn't mean it. Honestly. After all, I didn't write a word to him. And he looks like he was crooked, he continues his endless dialogue.
          Sorry for them. They are constantly trying to prove to everyone that everything in their life is wonderful. They look in the mirror and try to reveal their traits of a loser in any interlocutor.
        5. D16
          D16 6 March 2021 12: 00
          +1
          Yes. Notably, he was open about it. I also mentioned Matza's Ear. He had no idea that he was a Jew, but he didn’t seem to understand that this was a collective image of all our opposition media outlets. laughing
        6. ironic
          ironic 9 March 2021 14: 06
          0
          Oh, you G-chki, he was standing on the sidelines and only that which breathed smoke, because he smoked ... Exemplary indicative nasty things in the third person and do not say a word. Stands around the corner from this, says out loud all his batherts, starting from childhood and all that remains is his "understand and forgive" (C) ... Ugh.
        7. D16
          D16 9 March 2021 18: 19
          +1
          It is difficult to see the line between your stupidity and resentment.
        8. Sarboz
          Sarboz 9 March 2021 22: 35
          -1
          Quote: D16
          It is difficult to see the line between your stupidity and resentment.

          Our Israeli comrade sincerely believes that the very process of arguing with him gives intellectual pleasure to anyone who refutes his blatant lie. I will repeat once again, I will not allow anyone to spread lies about the Soviet soldiers who died in Afghanistan. As a shuravi who passed his way there with simple sarboz, I can testify that we fought there with dignity.
          PS Do not waste your time on empty conversations with provocateurs. A stubborn turkey cannot be convinced that he is not a bird of paradise.
        9. ironic
          ironic 9 March 2021 23: 16
          -1
          Well, it is not surprising that such intelligence is such a pleasure. It is especially surprising that having gone through such a meat grinder yourself, you will allow yourself to be turned into a swearing man of slogans about completely worthy of the death of tens of thousands of soldiers and hundreds of thousands of residents. The American Defense Ministry and the establishment did not risk this, at one time, after Vietnam, despite the fact that they also had reasons for that war.

          And they wrote to me that insults are contrary to the rules of the forum? Does it mean you can?
      2. ironic
        ironic 9 March 2021 23: 09
        -2
        You see and there is no line between stupidity, rudeness and racism, because it has become a habit, as one modulated signal. It is not surprising that it is ECHOMATS who are the collective image of all your left liberals, as an indicative fact of the collective negative attitude, consisting of racial, educational and cultural in one bottle. And normal and familiar and taken for granted. And then oops and poked it with a nose. What a touchy stupid man, well, he does not understand the taste of grated carrots in our usual in-between radar station. And everything is so good, I sent him, he reflected ...
  • Sarboz
    Sarboz 6 March 2021 11: 41
    0
    Jennifer drives. Comparison hit the nail on the head.
  • ironic
    ironic 9 March 2021 14: 07
    -2
    Sarboz-y. It’s not muddy, if everything is in sarboz ... It’s not my fault that the forum shows the post-answer so ambiguously.
  • 3danimal
    3danimal 9 March 2021 23: 29
    -1
    probably not too well off

    But this is an interesting point, by the way. A couple of times I came across quite radical people (on Topcor.ru), having a heart-to-heart talk with whom it turned out that they live in a provincial town with a small income.
  • ironic
    ironic 6 March 2021 02: 28
    0
    Provided that this war is taking place on the territory of a third party and external military bases have suffered as much as possible, otherwise it will quickly outgrow the exchange of strategic strikes. wink

    Press as much as you like on the weakness of my position, but not with racist statements. negative
  • D16
    D16 6 March 2021 09: 17
    +1
    Provided that this war is taking place on the territory of a third party and external military bases have suffered as much as possible, otherwise it will quickly outgrow the exchange of strategic strikes. wink

    If you are worried about Ukraine or Transnistria, then Russia usually does not come to these wars laughingand NATO will not come. The aborigines will fight, as usual. What reasons could there be for using TNW?
    Press as much as you like on the weakness of my position, but not with racist statements. negative

    Aaaa ... So you are a Jew in exile ?. hi Now it is clear where the mistakes and confusion of thoughts come from lol .
  • ironic
    ironic 9 March 2021 14: 17
    -1
    I only worry about my country, about the rest I am interested, because the world is so small. In Syria, too, at first, they did not particularly flock from all sides, but just how they turned and even go as they turned.

    I am a Jew in my historical homeland and I did not emigrate to it, I repatriated, but that ended many years ago. And the language, yes, calligraphy has never been my strong point, in any of the languages ​​I speak. Plus chronic dyslexia ... But I'm not worried about this nirazu. This did not prevent me from publishing a scientific article in due time. And you have these confusion. Unaccustomed to you, that comes in fragments and not tracing paper. wink
  • Sarboz
    Sarboz 10 March 2021 10: 00
    +1
    Quote: ironic
    I am a Jew both in my historical homeland and I in it did not emigrateI repatriatedbut that ended years ago.

    Do you know why he insists on the status so repatriate? Traitors try to lull their feelings of guilt in this way. Here on the Russian website they throw mud at them, defame their homeland, where they were born, which raised them, brought them up, gave them a basic education, free of charge, by the way, shaped their personality as a whole. To betray the Motherland is like betraying your parents. Deep down, they feel it. Therefore, it is shameful to betray an emigrant, and an honor to a repatriate.
  • ironic
    ironic 6 March 2021 02: 24
    -1
    I just pay attention to the arguments. But when they are not there, but there is one urya and our Poseidons are so fast, then it is stupid to pay attention to this every time. There can be no limited nuclear strike on the territory of the Russian Federation, so I could not have such theses. Will you consider this as your argument, your speculation about what I will promote? The loss of one big city can also be unacceptable damage, and what will this stop the already begun nuclear war? Even the exchange of one and a half thousand babakhs from each side will not be stopped, and it will continue with TNW and conventional means. The Americans still have superiority in all areas, except for strategic nuclear forces. It has always been, and especially now, when the USSR and the Warsaw Pact no longer exist. And what is wrong? It's like that. Your speculations about generalizations, which I have never voiced, are disgusting, because slander, moreover, deliberate and malicious. I am expressing my opinion, and not hypocritical and consistent, but the forum, according to you, was created only for approvals? Ah, then, in a fit of righteous indignation, yes, both racism and anti-Semitism are permissible. This is righteous in your opinion. Is it also righteous to cook slander? Well, you are a fruit! And it’s me after such passages a provocateur? You are not just counting on provocation, you passionately want to turn any dispute into a srach, where you will righteously express racist and anti-Semitic slander, hiding behind patriotism and love for the Motherland. Here is your moral portrait in all its glory.
    1. D16
      D16 6 March 2021 09: 57
      +2
      But when they are not there, but there is one urya and our Poseidons are so fast

      Posseidons are fast, otherwise they would not have built special nuclear submarines for them. This pleasure is painfully expensive. Opponents perfectly understand why these things were created and under what circumstances they will be used. Now it will be physically impossible to transport and supply a large military grouping from America. And this is in the presence of the most powerful fleet in the world. It's a shame, I guess laughing Meanwhile, their European NATO allies will receive a furry animal.
      The Americans still have superiority in all areas, except for strategic nuclear forces. It has always been, and especially now, when the USSR and the Warsaw Pact no longer exist. And what is wrong? It's like that.

      Of course it is. Only in order to take advantage of all this beauty in the event of a limited war, it is necessary to move to Europe in advance. All the camp and industry. lol And you can't cook porridge with aircraft alone. So amer will have to continue to invent any sanctions against the poisoners and stranglers of democracy. laughing
      Your fabrications ------- Here is your moral portrait in all its glory.

      Sorry, you forgot to mention the Holocaust, for a full set of stamps lol
  • ironic
    ironic 6 March 2021 02: 09
    -2
    It is more difficult to lift a crashed engine out of the water. wink
    And it is even more difficult to collect pieces of it from under the water, especially if neighbors publish a map of already noticed radioactive contamination.

    Wouldn't be resettled. And before, with big broads, people were not relocated and they will not be relocated today. But racists with matsobathurts are so fixated on their batherts that they won't pay attention to it either.
    1. D16
      D16 6 March 2021 10: 41
      +2
      It is more difficult to lift a crashed engine out of the water. wink
      And it's even more difficult to collect pieces of it from under the water,

      Thinking about a crashed engine is not worth it, as well as considering the developers idiots. For example, the overclocking stages from Point U were scattered throughout the LDNR. And what will happen to her if she falls into the water? Instead of a warhead, the missile can accommodate rescue equipment. So do not carry a blizzard.
      especially if neighbors publish a map of already noticed radioactive contamination.

      The neighbors there will draw anything you want. Out of the kindness of my heart.
      In Google, fill in the phrase "List of radiation accidents" and try to find this incident there. If you don’t find it, stop spreading gossip and your own inventions.
      But racists with matsobathurts are so fixated on their batherts that they won't pay attention to it either.

      I am not a Jew, I don’t know Yiddish and I don’t want to know. I don't need it hi
      1. Sarboz
        Sarboz 6 March 2021 22: 25
        0
        Quote: ironic
        But racists with matsobathurts so fixated on their own bathertahthat they will not pay attention to this either.

        Quote: D16
        I am not a Jew, I don’t know Yiddish and I don’t want to know. I don't need it

        Usually this manner of foul Russian with foreign words is inherent in juvenile bloggers or budget-hungry Russian top managers like German Gref. And our Israeli friend, judging by his linguistic constructions, has health problems. If you try to translate this nonsense literally, it turns out that apparently from excessive use of matzo his ass itches, hemorrhoids or something. Most likely, due to this disease, he developed this phobia, from which he imagines an anti-Semite in every Russian.
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      3. D16
        D16 6 March 2021 23: 35
        0
        Russophobia due to hemorrhoids? request Probably someone offended him in childhood.
    2. ironic
      ironic 9 March 2021 13: 59
      +1
      What, what about the crashed engine not to do ??? Are nuclear jet engines flattened from impact at landing speed there, too, lying around?

      And you mean, therefore, to anything there in response with hashtags - you will be all sorts of things and they will not be there? And they say ONET is spiritless because all the polls are homosexuals? Why look there, look for seekers? For a long time, the search routes for drowned people were published on the network and more than once. But you believe that these are eco-friendly landings. You will succeed with faith. It is always above knowledge by definition.

      Well, the fact that you are not a Jew, I somehow guessed, however, so you go, like that, for the family circle, however ... So you blurted out absolutely stupid things. Or a fool sighed unsuccessfully.
    3. D16
      D16 9 March 2021 18: 15
      +1
      Are nuclear jet engines flattened from impact at landing speed there, too, lying around?

      Yeah. Even in the photo I have never seen how it is arranged, I do not know, but I am sure of the flattening from hitting the water. The fact that he could descend on a parachute and hang under the surface on an inflated balloon did not occur to him.
      If the neighbors had evidence of radioactive contamination of the area, there would be a wild cry and demands for compensation, not drawings.
      Therefore, you even blurted out a very stupid thing

      I'll tell you more clearly. I don’t know what you mean by “matsobathurts”, and I don’t need it. Absolutely.
    4. ironic
      ironic 9 March 2021 23: 24
      -1
      On a parachute? This is after diving as a result of an unsuccessful launch? I look at you and the imagination played out. He teleported right back to the KB and deactivated by itself .... Yapatstal.

      I can’t make out your ukrobathert. For all my life in the USSR, I heard Ukrainian mostly only in class, once a week at school, English was no less than an hour, and now here at VO there is some kind of crap, so it didn't become clearer. And I need it even less, your ukrobatherty to disassemble and understand.

      I will not translate, I am not at work.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyonoksa_radiation_accident

      https://www.rferl.org/a/u-s-concludes-white-sea-radiation-explosion-came-during-russian-nuclear-missile-recovery/30213494.html

      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49319160
  • 3danimal
    3danimal 10 March 2021 00: 01
    -1
    I don't know what went wrong in Severodvinsk. But if it were an engine from the Petrel, and there is nothing else to explode there, there would be a wild spread of radioactive materials, but this would not have happened.

    Something it reminds .. Yes, Chernobyl!
    When neighboring countries began to trumpet the blowout in unison, they had to admit that it did exist.
    Weaklings, not to cover the mouth of scientists and the media with a strong-willed effort what
  • parusnik
    parusnik 4 March 2021 06: 16
    +8
    the countries of the collective West totally dominate Russia in the economy so strongly that they simply do not see the point in negotiations
    Quite right. For example, they do not touch the People's Republic of China, especially. Yes, and it is pointless. In China, all the moves are recorded. smile
    1. ironic
      ironic 4 March 2021 21: 29
      -3
      Yes Yes. They touch, it's just that there are many mutual interests.
  • NDR-791
    NDR-791 4 March 2021 06: 58
    +6
    (By the way, anyone in the know - has Chubais already been lured away by some Googol or British Petroleum as the chairman of the board of directors or at least the CEO?)
    Of course, they freak out in places, but not to the same extent that they invite such a destructive miracle with their own hands wassat
  • ghby
    ghby 4 March 2021 07: 30
    +3
    Quote: Dalny V
    And now the countries of the collective West totally dominate Russia in the economy so strongly that they simply do not see the point in negotiations. If they wanted to, they introduced sanctions (to distract their electorate or remind them who is the king of the hill in the sandbox). Our upper ones are trying to bark something in response in the style of an offended puppy ("express concern"), but de facto they can not do anything.

    The most interesting thing is that their economy is inflated at the expense of the service sector (banks, stock exchanges, etc.) and in this it dominates, but when the first ICBM is launched against the enemy, their economy of the service sector is reset to zero and comes out on top the real sector, but here I would not say that we are losing if we do not win.
    1. Far B
      Far B 4 March 2021 07: 39
      +7
      and the real sector comes out on top, but here I would not say that we are losing if we do not win
      belay And in what sector of real services do we outperform the collective West ??? Examples to the studio!
      1. ghby
        ghby 4 March 2021 08: 04
        +3
        Quote: Dalny V
        And in what sector of real services do we outperform the collective West ??? Examples to the studio!

        I did not write anything about services. and in the real sector - nuclear power
        1. Far B
          Far B 4 March 2021 08: 07
          +3
          About services it escaped me. Of course, just the real sector. And now a comparative analysis (in numbers) on nuclear power Russia vs. a collective West (which do not forget to include the USA, Canada, Japan and South Korea and other Australia, because this is also a collective West), please.
          1. ghby
            ghby 4 March 2021 08: 22
            -4
            Quote: Dalny V
            And now a comparative analysis (in numbers) on nuclear power Russia vs. a collective West (which do not forget to include the USA, Canada, Japan and South Korea and other Australia, because this is also a collective West), please.

            if you say otherwise, then justify, I hope you were not banned from Google? Does the collective west have many fast reactors?
            1. Far B
              Far B 4 March 2021 08: 31
              -4
              if you state otherwise, then justify
              Where did you see my statement? You approve ("I would not say that we are losing if we do not win", "and in the real sector - nuclear energy"), and I'm just asking you to substantiate your claim. Go for it.
              1. ghby
                ghby 4 March 2021 08: 43
                +3
                Quote: Dalny V
                and I'm just asking you to substantiate your claim. Go for it.

                the collective west does not have a single industrial fast neutron reactor in Russia, there are two of them and one more is being built, I hope you google its advantage yourself (if roughly, it works on spent nuclear fuel, reprocessing it, which has accumulated a lot)
                1. Far B
                  Far B 4 March 2021 08: 53
                  0
                  You are a little not about that. I am not arguing about the advantages / disadvantages of this reactor. But he produces energy, like others - this is his main purpose. Therefore, it is necessary to compare the number of operating nuclear power plants / units and the amount of energy generated by them, which will become the criterion that determines the superiority of nuclear energy of one side or another, as you deigned to express, "at the first launch of the first ICBM against the enemy"... Because fast reactors are just часть nuclear power. Impressive though.
                  1. ghby
                    ghby 4 March 2021 09: 06
                    +5
                    Quote: Dalny V
                    You are a little not about that. I am not arguing about the advantages / disadvantages of this reactor. But he produces energy, like others - this is his main purpose. Therefore, it is necessary to compare the number of operating nuclear power plants / units and the amount of energy generated by them, which will become the criterion that determines the superiority of nuclear power of one side or another, as you deigned to say, "when the first ICBM is launched against the enemy."

                    This is not what you mean. For the Russian Federation, what is enough, the availability of technologies for reprocessing spent fuel, speaks of an actual increase in the raw material base for the production of electricity, which our opponents are deprived of and they are dependent only on what they get in the depths, but we actually get a closed cycle; in new reactors, along the way, enriching fuel for old reactors. In addition, my thought was aimed at the fact that the inflated service sector (including the banking sector) would not play any role, and the country's ability to provide itself with the necessary things, for example, fuel for nuclear power plants, and so on, would come first. Well, why does the Russian Federation need the power of nuclear power plants of the entire collective west if they cannot be mastered in any way? And it seems to me that the real sector of the Russian economy is able to do this (to ensure the performance of key areas for the state, regardless of other countries), and in some areas, I repeat, for example, in nuclear power, due to the unique technologies we have, we have an advantage.
                    1. Far B
                      Far B 4 March 2021 09: 27
                      -3
                      [guote] This is not about that [/ guote] Really? And it seemed to me that I had asked a quite understandable, printed question to Russians in white: "in which sector of real services do we win over the collective West ??? Examples ^ studio!" And you, it seems, also answered in Russian: "and in the real sector - nuclear power". As an example, cite fast neutron reactors, that is, take away from the general in the direction of the particular. What's that called?
                      - Semyonitch, how are you doing on the collective farm?
                      - But I have a breeding bull, three cows per approach to cover the moget ...
                    2. ghby
                      ghby 4 March 2021 10: 16
                      -2
                      Quote: Far In
                      [guote] This is not about that [/ guote] Really? And it seemed to me that I had asked a quite understandable, printed question to Russians in white: "in which sector of real services do we win over the collective West ??? Examples ^ studio!" And you, it seems, also answered in Russian: "and in the real sector - nuclear power". As an example, cite fast neutron reactors, that is, take away from the general in the direction of the particular. What's that called?
                      - Semyonitch, how are you doing on the collective farm?
                      - But I have a breeding bull, three cows per approach to cover the moget ...

                      do you think technology superiority is not a win? what about the loss? strange. Do you propose to compare the number of nuclear power plants? this is strange. to discuss something with a person for whom the West is a light in the window is a stupid occupation, and who, in support of his position, did not bring anything concrete.
                    3. Fan-fan
                      Fan-fan 4 March 2021 14: 18
                      -1
                      Stop demonstrating. Here are the data for the NPP:
                      Russia number of power units - 39, total capacity in MW - 28448
                      France number of power units - 58, total capacity in MW - 63130
                      USA number of power units - 98, total capacity in MW - 99648
                      Bottom line, even France got us, not to mention the United States and the united West, so there is nothing to puff out your cheeks.
                    4. ccsr
                      ccsr 4 March 2021 17: 58
                      +4
                      Quote: Fan-Fan
                      Bottom line, even France got us, not to mention the United States and the united West, so there is nothing to puff out your cheeks.

                      And nothing that the percentage of use of nuclear energy in the United States and Russia is the same - 19,7%, and even higher in Ukraine and Slovakia - 53%. Where did you get the idea that we are obliged to increase the share of nuclear energy, if it is now much more profitable to sell nuclear power plants abroad and then receive profits for many years?
                    5. ghby
                      ghby 5 March 2021 07: 32
                      -1
                      Quote: Fan-Fan
                      Stop demonstrating. Here are the data for the NPP:

                      Well, how many industrial fast breeder reactors does the collective West have?
                2. D16
                  D16 5 March 2021 22: 28
                  +2
                  in which sector of real services do we outperform the collective West ??? Examples ^ studio!

                  Well ... We have appendicitis much cheaper with the same result. laughing .
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 4 March 2021 10: 27
        -2
        Quote: ghby
        Quote: Dalny V
        And now a comparative analysis (in numbers) on nuclear power Russia vs. a collective West (which do not forget to include the USA, Canada, Japan and South Korea and other Australia, because this is also a collective West), please.

        if you say otherwise, then justify, I hope you were not banned from Google? Does the collective west have many fast reactors?

        And what does the number of fast breeder reactors have to do with it?
        1. alstr
          alstr 4 March 2021 12: 41
          +4
          The only question is how to produce this amount of hydrogen?
          Because hydrogen production requires gas, coal, electricity or rare chemical elements.
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 5 March 2021 07: 05
            0
            Quote: alstr
            The only question is how to produce this amount of hydrogen?
            Because hydrogen production requires gas, coal, electricity or rare chemical elements.

            You google the topic and everything will be clear. About "green" and not very hydrogen. Yes, hydrogen will turn out to be expensive, but Europe, and Russia, by the way, signed a memorandum on limiting atmospheric emissions.
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 4 March 2021 08: 26
      -1
      Quote: Dalny V
      And in what sector of real services are we outperforming the collective West?

      1. Not a single economy of the World, and even all of them taken together, can compete with the printing press.
      2. The collective West is a parasite that lives by robbing the peoples of the whole world. There is no need for us to compete in this.
      3. Their well-being was secured by their power in the military sphere, which came to an end, as well as their dependency.
      4. Russia is not the West and not the East... We are a civilization-Russia and we have no need to enslave other countries and peoples. All peoples (in contrast to the civilizations of the West and the East, where everyone was driven into the "Procrustean bed") that were part of Russia, preserved their culture, received their development and, like Kazakhstan, their writing.
      1. ironic
        ironic 4 March 2021 21: 42
        -4
        And they also say that pink elephants come only from foolishness, but there you go ... you don't have to go far.
    3. Ka-52
      Ka-52 4 March 2021 08: 59
      -1
      other Australia

      that is, Papua New Guinea and New Zealand too? laughing
      Japan and South. Korea

      no need to pull the owl over the globe. Japan and South Korea have their own geopolitical position. They don't give a damn about the militaristic clowning of your beloved USA. They have China by their side, and with it spread their fingers in a fan is more expensive.
      1. Far B
        Far B 4 March 2021 09: 30
        0
        your beloved USA
        Do not attribute your erotic fantasies to me.
        Japan and South Korea have their own geopolitical position
        Yeah, especially Japan.
        They have China by their side
        Are you talking about Russia or China in the thread?
        and New Zealand too?
        Have you heard anything about the ANZUS block?
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 4 March 2021 10: 31
          -1
          Do not attribute your erotic fantasies to me.

          Well, you all sigh voluptuously "that's how they are doing well, but everything is bad with us ..."
          Yeah, especially Japan.

          Yes, yes, and I see Japan among the countries that call for punishing aggressive Russia.
          Are you talking about Russia or China in the thread?

          with understanding the problem?
          Have you heard anything about the ANZUS block?

          Well, at least read his tasks before writing. And then, as usual: "I hear a ringing, I don't know where he is"
      2. dSK
        dSK 4 March 2021 10: 21
        +5
        Quote: Ka-52
        Japan and South Korea have their own geopolitical position.

        South Korea and Taiwan are bridgeheads captured by the United States in eastern Asia. And Japan, controlled all the time by the States, after the defeat. They only now allowed her to have her own army, but without nuclear weapons. Since we are sure that she will not dare to attack them. Japan has long been prepared against Russia, under the pretext of returning the Kuril Islands.
        This is the Eastern Ant-Russian and Anti-Chinese Anaconda Front. Western form them "offended" Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova. Poland was promised Kaliningrad and it also actively "fits in" ...
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 4 March 2021 10: 32
          -4
          Japan has been prepared against Russia for a long time

          a phrase from the vocabulary of Prokopenko, but far from reality. In any case, in the next 50 years.
          1. dSK
            dSK 4 March 2021 13: 19
            +2
            That Japan has not signed a peace treaty for 75 years - one topic is islands, islands. Moreover, tiny and deserted islets.
            The states do not even "stutter" to avenge the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians from nuclear weapons.
            Everything fits into NATO's strategy - "Anaconda Ring". And China is "building" an analogous one ...
            1. Ka-52
              Ka-52 5 March 2021 04: 19
              -2
              That Japan has not signed a peace treaty for 75 years - one topic is islands, islands. Moreover, tiny and deserted islets.

              I repeat once again, you write in the style of Prokopenko - you take an event and start fanning a whole catastrophe out of it. Yes, there is a controversial situation around the 4 islands. And do you think that Japan is already gathering an armada to recapture the islands by force? Isn't it funny yourself?
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  • George Davydov
    George Davydov April 2 2021 16: 12
    0
    Do you think that while the liberals are in power, who led to the Russian cross, which corresponded to the fascist plans to lower the biological strength of the Slavic backgammon, as well as to many others, which they carried out, nothing will change? But how to change the liberals who use the achievements of not only fascist plans, but also ideologies, which, in accordance with the well-known position - the more lies, the more confidence that they will believe in, the liberals do not have? So, it is necessary to prove that there is? Let's try it!
  • region58
    region58 4 March 2021 04: 17
    +21
    I can't believe my eyes ... I reread the article twice, because the first time the author's call to abandon the latest developments and "not provoke the United States" seemed too incredible. However, yes, it is. Maybe the author is not aware of what happened in the post-Soviet space, and that the flight time of NATO missiles to Moscow is already calculated in minutes, and that Russia is practically alone opposing NATO? And that at the end of the eighties and nineties it was practically as the author calls for, and as a result of NATO, even at the borders of the former USSR, and already Russia. Or does the article have a target audience - young people who teach the latest history from comics, and the main goal is to sow a grain of doubt in their fragile minds? Or is the article intended to probe the mood in society? Hmm ... I'm at a loss ... And ... it's hard to comment on an article without known obscene idiomatic expressions ...
    1. WHAT IS
      WHAT IS 4 March 2021 05: 17
      +12
      Quote: region58
      Maybe the author is not aware of what happened in the post-Soviet space, and that the flight time of NATO missiles to Moscow is already calculated in minutes, and that Russia is practically alone opposing NATO?

      Calm, comrade, only calm
      Russia with three missile armies and 12 divisions of the Strategic Missile Forces is capable of inflicting so-called unacceptable damage to the United States in any development of events.
      1. region58
        region58 4 March 2021 05: 53
        +12
        Quote: WHAT IS
        only calm

        I'm calm. This, judging by the article, the Americans are nervous, and it seems that the author is with them. Here, as they say, the trend is important. In the next article they will write that for the peace of mind of the Americans, our nuclear weapons must be placed under "international control", and it is better to destroy them ourselves ... oh, it was already like that, only neither milk rivers nor jelly banks for obvious reasons happened ...
        1. ironic
          ironic 4 March 2021 22: 02
          -2
          They shake the loot out of the liberals, and do not get nervous. They have nothing to be nervous about. RF to the cumulative damage from a salvo of the times of the peak of the USSR's capabilities still need to be reached.
      2. ironic
        ironic 4 March 2021 22: 06
        -3
        It’s possible, but that’s if all that is will take off. And even in this case, unacceptable damage will not end the war, because 1500 warheads are not capable of stopping and / or demolishing the entire complex of the Air Force and the Office in wartime, and they are also unable to prevent a retaliatory salvo in the same number that will strike 90 % of the population of the Russian Federation located in a much smaller area than 90% of the US population.
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    3. ironic
      ironic 4 March 2021 21: 51
      -2
      And the United States has already been provoked, but not at all as the author thinks. They have not swayed yet, have not felt that they have missed the situation, but not at all as the author thinks, and when they start to take it into their hands, it will also not be the way the author thinks. Stereotypes are one worse than the other. The newest "developments" were designed to scare America, but they played a completely different role. They pissed her off. But America, the one that really makes decisions, understands perfectly well that the Vanguard, even in the number of 12 units, does not change anything, and Sarmat still needs to get to the replacement of 56 Soviet Satans and 18 Stilettos, which you can already count or not at all or almost not. Petrel and Poseidon is a rut and an offensive teaser, to which they will answer with the necessary count parity in START-3, and throw all their power on technological and conventional superiority, and they will be and what else. Therefore, even during his tenure, the English admiral expressed the idea that you should not develop weapons in production and the quality of which you cannot domain. And even more so to make a political stake on him.
    4. Quadro
      Quadro 5 March 2021 06: 29
      -6
      Oh, these gomodrily administrators rubbed my comments, it can be seen and really from the echo of the matzah pinned such articles to write for the sake of babyshka. Let's ban everything and everyone, otherwise they will know
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 4 March 2021 05: 07
    +1
    Eugene, from the article it is clear that we need not to anger the US, for which we need to climb up to the closet, pretend to be a rag, and not shine! Did I catch your train of thought correctly? And, also, what about the "Chinese hypersound"? And then a new horror story has appeared, from which experts in this field of weapons are ridiculous! They say that in fact the Chinese do not have a complex similar to our hypersonic maneuvering missiles, they have Wishlist and dummies! !! Maybe you "clarify the situation" ???
    1. Quadro
      Quadro 4 March 2021 05: 52
      -5
      His business is to fart nonsense for the grandmother and drive misinformation into the brain.
    2. lucul
      lucul 4 March 2021 08: 44
      +4
      Eugene, from the article it is clear that we need not to anger the US, for which we need to climb up to the closet, pretend to be a rag, and not shine!

      Yes, it is enough not to boast, but simply to secret the development from the very beginning, as in the USSR)))
      1. ironic
        ironic 4 March 2021 22: 00
        -2
        This has not been possible for a long time. The time is different and the means are different. Now they only secret the most basic things and even more in terms of technology.
    3. ironic
      ironic 4 March 2021 21: 58
      -1
      You are carrying out a very productive modernization of the mobile part of the strategic nuclear forces and at last you have somehow finished the Bulava. This is what you need to live with. And if you really want the Vanguards, then you need to make a targeted mobile missile specifically for them, and not a flying column of Sarmat. For the rest, it is better not to anger the United States militarily, because there will most likely never be a nuclear TMV, and sooner or later you will lose any other conflict and will be asked to question TMV or not, and the answer "yes" is most likely not given will be, if the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation does not suffer.
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 4 March 2021 05: 32
    +8
    About the technological backwardness of the states amused.
    If their generals ask for money, this does not mean that they were given a little, it means that they want even more.
    And the fact that we are already completing the rearmament program, and they are just starting, only means that in a short time we will have old missiles, and they will have new ones.
    1. Hermit21
      Hermit21 4 March 2021 08: 27
      -1
      No, this means that we will have new missiles, and they will keep the old ones. Because we have not squandered the competence in their development, production and production of warheads for them. And simple injections of dough will not fix the situation for the amers
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 4 March 2021 10: 38
        0
        Quote: Hermit21
        No, this means that we will have new missiles, and they will keep the old ones. Because we have not squandered the competence in their development, production and production of warheads for them. And simple injections of dough will not fix the situation for the amers

        Well, yes, they pissed away the competence. Tell Musk. If Iran and North Korea are making missiles, then the United States does not matter at all. Do you know they do everything slowly, but at the exit they do not have an exhaust. 5 years will be the terms of reference to develop and then again 5 years to work out. So in 10 years the series will go. This is approximately how they are now developing new nuclear submarines
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    2. lucul
      lucul 4 March 2021 08: 46
      -4
      About the technological backwardness of the states amused.

      You are behind the times.
      When you hear such information (this article), you immediately imagine what kind of Dodge Viper versus Vaz-2101. But these are civilian technologies - in military technologies everything is different)))
  • Quadro
    Quadro 4 March 2021 05: 51
    +3
    The United States has an aging nuclear arsenal, cannibalizes ICBMs, but the author of the article scribbles something about their technological superiority, they have not even begun the project documentation, and the author is already proposing to take off his pants (stop developing its nuclear forces) and get cancer.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 March 2021 05: 54
    +2
    Read the title
    The nuclear triad is in the red: how Russia is threatened by the technological lag of the United States
    and did not understand how and what the enemy's technological backwardness could threaten. It turns out that the author is trying to convince us that now the Americans will get together and how they will give out on the mountain what we do not have and will have to go into the stash (financial costs in the arms race) in order to resist something. But in my opinion, it was clearly stated by the president that Russia would no longer fall for the "arms race" trick. We will resist effectively, but at low cost. This is confirmed by the Russian military budget and what has been created by our "kulibins" today. In a word, I did not understand the purpose of this article.
    1. Quadro
      Quadro 4 March 2021 06: 22
      0
      The author simply worships the golden calf - he thinks that in order to get a good weapon, you just have to pour money like the Americans. As regards the nuclear power industry, it is clear that even tons of dough do not save, they cannot, and that's all. They cannot process plutonium, enrich uranium and much more.
  • Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 4 March 2021 06: 06
    +5
    "Children do not play sports, otherwise you will become strong, and the hooligans will not bother you" Author, forgive me, I did not know that you were ......!
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 4 March 2021 06: 22
    +1
    Recently, I read a note in a local newspaper on the topic of where the administration will hide in case of an emergency. Perhaps I did not understand the humor, since this was written by a KVN player. But all the same, I was alarmed. Why did the USSR leadership seek to talk with the US leadership? Even with the presence of formidable offensive weapons, most of the country was defenseless, which means huge losses of human resources. I may object, but this was exactly the case. I do not know anything about the current situation.
    1. Runway
      Runway 4 March 2021 06: 35
      +2
      Paradise! laughing The mention of "expert" Leonkov made me flinch. Further "Borodino" (horses / people).
      1. Old tanker
        Old tanker 4 March 2021 06: 59
        0
        Leonkov is still an "expard". Still, Korotchenko would have been quoted.
        1. Runway
          Runway 4 March 2021 07: 21
          +1
          Here are the editorial staff of the site and throw up the idea to hold a certain KVE (almost KVN) - the Competition of Military Exp ... rtov. Every E ... would squeeze an article - there would be a full house of visitors and comments.
          But not destiny ... they are mercantile, experts ...
        2. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 4 March 2021 20: 26
          0
          The funny thing is that the hypersound expert is real. But how he began to "trade with the face" - at least take out the saints ...
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 4 March 2021 06: 25
    +6
    ... McMamara

    Perhaps the author was referring to Robert McNamara, the US Secretary of Defense under two presidents in the 60s of the last century? The coolest was Russophobe, you know. I would even say - Russophobia!
    Here is his 1991 statement:
    The USSR is sinking into the abyss of chaos, and mass bloody conflicts are not ruled out ... You missed your chance for development.
    1. WHAT IS
      WHAT IS 4 March 2021 06: 46
      +9
      McNamara, of course ... He was a "hawk", it was he who encouraged Kennedy in every possible way and still convinced that the blockade of Cuba could "squeeze the advice" and in general you could not stand on ceremony with us, and he was perfectly aware of how all this could to end
      “It was an amazingly beautiful night, like autumn nights in Washington. I left the presidential Oval Office and, leaving, thought that I would never live to see next Saturday night, ”he said later.
      Retired, the truth calmed down and the old one
      “War is so complex that it is beyond the limits of the human mind ... Our understanding is inadequate. We kill people unnecessarily "
      wrote Robert McNamara many years after leaving the post of US Secretary of Defense.
  • iouris
    iouris 4 March 2021 06: 33
    -1
    We must act according to the scheme: get ahead - surrender. If only there was no war.
  • mark1
    mark1 4 March 2021 06: 34
    +1
    Will 700 missiles survive a preemptive strike? Optimism is healthy, however. "Stormcloaks" and "Poseidons" are just created so that at least something survived (although I'm sure they are best suited for a preemptive strike)
    There is a lag behind the United States - bad. Superiority is just awful (well, how upset and attack the first ...)
  • Andre___86
    Andre___86 4 March 2021 06: 36
    +4
    They are not lagging behind ... What difference does it make to me in the absence of an anti-missile defense system, what will come on my head - the ancient Minuteman 3 or the newest Minuteman 4?))
    1. Mitroha
      Mitroha 4 March 2021 07: 40
      0
      Do you lack missile defense? In which country?
      1. Andre___86
        Andre___86 4 March 2021 10: 49
        0
        At any. In Moscow, there is only))) The United States has a little, but this will not save them))
        1. Mitroha
          Mitroha 4 March 2021 23: 07
          0
          Only in Moscow? Is that all? Giving a tooth?
          1. Andre___86
            Andre___86 5 March 2021 06: 44
            -1
            Yes. More or less effective missile defense (in the Russian Federation) is only in around Moscow
            1. Mitroha
              Mitroha 6 March 2021 06: 52
              0
              You are wrong
  • Sergey Valov
    Sergey Valov 4 March 2021 07: 28
    +3
    If we summarize what is written in the title and do not dig deeply, then there will be only one conclusion - the technological lag behind the United States threatens the Russian Federation with only one thing - similar equipment will be more expensive. AND EVERYTHING. By and large, this has always been the case, with rare exceptions. Considering the cost of military equipment in rubles and dollars and comparing military budgets is pointless because of the "uniqueness" of domestic pricing. As for the principle “not to tease your opponent” with some new exotic weapon, this is a very difficult and controversial question, because you can tease yourself to a preemptive strike, but you also cannot not create something new to intimidate an adversary. The main thing, in my opinion, is to bring to the mind of the opponent that our crushing response, in which case, is inevitable, but we do not plan to be the first to start a war.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 4 March 2021 14: 33
      +2
      "Not to tease the opponent" is already in history. In the United States, in ancient times, the so-called air launch of ICBMs was developed and tested, but they refused to accept it, because they were afraid that the USSR would also create a similar system in response, the survivability of which is higher than mine ICBMs and even higher than that of SLBMs. So the author is right about something.
      1. Sergey Valov
        Sergey Valov 4 March 2021 14: 40
        +1
        We also carried out work on the air launch. An124 was considered as one of its components. The air launch has many pitfalls.
  • SVD68
    SVD68 4 March 2021 07: 54
    +1
    According to the National Research Institute of World Economy and International Relations named after E.M. Primakov (NII MEMO) RAS, even after a massive disarming strike from the United States, Russia will have up to 700-750 megaton missiles.
    What the hell is this? Now, i.e. before a hypothetical disarming strike, there are much fewer missiles. Will their number increase after the impact?
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 4 March 2021 08: 25
    +1
    Right now there is parity. Russia does not have the capacity to wage an offensive war against the United States. Both Poseidons and hypersound are weapons of exclusively retaliatory strike, except that hypersound is not overland, most likely. But the technical superiority is overwhelming. in retaliation weapons, it is precisely what prevents the United States from including the component in which it is stronger. For example, use the fleet - Poseidon can just remove the bases of the fleet.
    This is in the opposite situation - a noticeable domination in nuclear weapons - the States would have struck a blow long ago, without hesitation. This is what their idiotic concept of "tactical nuclear weapons" says.
    And one more thing - it is not necessary to negotiate within the framework of nuclear weapons. It is possible to completely suspend the program, for example, in exchange for NATO's rollback from the borders. And there will be parity.
    So I fundamentally disagree with the author.
    1. lucul
      lucul 4 March 2021 08: 52
      -1
      And one more thing - it is not necessary to negotiate within the framework of nuclear weapons. It is possible to completely suspend the program, for example, in exchange for NATO's rollback from the borders. And there will be parity.
      So I fundamentally disagree with the author.

      Yes, here half can not understand what is written)))
      And the essence is simple - the West, under its military superiority, printed unsupported candy wrappers, but now there is no military superiority (on the contrary, lagging behind). How can we print money now? Under what? For the industry transferred to China? The hegemon is no longer real.)))
      That is why such a howl from analysts is there.
      ))))
    2. evgen1221
      evgen1221 4 March 2021 09: 22
      +1
      Why destroy such a rich resource base as the Russian Federation to zero? Then it is long and costly to restore bit by bit. We need more nuclear weapons from the invasion by conventional means and not by them. As practice shows, politico-economic bribery in the enemy's camp is cheaper and more effective.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 4 March 2021 09: 24
        +1
        It is unlikely that it will work already. The Americans did it with their impudence in the 90s, they just no longer believe. You can buy something, but at the middle level, not the top management. The top management has already understood where bribery leads - on the example of Pashinyan. Or, for example, Hussein and Bin Laden, both of which were bought by the United States in the bud
        1. evgen1221
          evgen1221 4 March 2021 09: 41
          -1
          But what about the mermaid? Said and immediately sold and the owner did not pick.
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 4 March 2021 19: 08
            0
            such questions are not answered laughing spoil the picture of uramir ...
        2. Artem76
          Artem76 4 March 2021 15: 12
          0
          I would not be so sure of that, dear, to my regret. Two or three generations, and that it will be difficult to guess, but the West always plays for a long time, ... For example, look back at the history of our Mother Russia in the last 100 years, what borders were under the last tsar, under the USSR, and now RF, the borders are narrowing ... One hundred years for History is also not a very long time, I hope our borders will no longer shrink further, then it was not for nothing that amendments to the Constitution were adopted to prohibit the alienation of the Russian Lands ...
          1. evgen1221
            evgen1221 4 March 2021 19: 10
            +1
            And also a referendum on the preservation of the USSR was also held and everyone saw what happened.
  • north 2
    north 2 4 March 2021 08: 30
    +9
    Gorbachev's philosophy and actions gave birth to a whole breed of ready-made America not to beat. Better to surrender right away, surrender the country and you will lecture in London and Washington, and you will not be shaking hands for the Anglo-Saxons, as Putin is now. The main ideologist of Gorbachevism, Misha Mechenny himself, yesterday impudently pointed out to Putin, they say, that you are there in front of Biden ...! On a smaller scale, the servant of Gorbachev's liberalism Shenderovich on RTVi is exasperated by Russia, saying that the Berlin patient is the honor and conscience of Russia and the West will take revenge for this Berlin patient, so it is better to give up now, transfer the power to liberals and tolerasts, and Russia will heal. And opposite Shenderovich, Bychkova sits and writhing from hatred of Russia hums that in Russia there are now 90% of the scoops, so you have to wait until they either wiser or die out.
    And here is today's article in VO, also the creation of a petty follower of Gorbachevism, that everything is bad in Russia, that Russia has no advantage over America in weapon technology and that America should not be provoked with new developments ...
    But here's what's interesting. America is not a fool and understands that Russia can be defeated only if Gorbachev's liberalism wins in Russia and from within Russia she orders Russia to be America's vassal. And what new developments can the vassals have .. Because these liberals are trying now at all levels. From Gorbachev and the Berlin patient, to Shenderovich and the author of such articles ...
  • sir Galant
    sir Galant 4 March 2021 08: 39
    +2
    "Bang, and more than once! The whole world is in dust!" (C) DMB. God forbid....
  • Operator
    Operator 4 March 2021 08: 51
    -3
    Low-yield nuclear warheads are an excellent solution: after an American strike by them, the RF and / or the PRC will have their hands free to deliver a massive strike against the United States and its allies with megaton-class nuclear warheads bully
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 4 March 2021 09: 17
    -2
    A couple of times prices will drop on the exchanges and breakouts in Russia have ended. The Americans, as we can see, are good at these tricks as a practitioner and compensate for their losses from this by the fact that cheap raw materials float to them for nothing.
  • looker-on
    looker-on 4 March 2021 09: 57
    -2
    Quote: lucul
    Yes, here half can not understand what is written)))
    And the essence is simple - the West, under its military superiority, printed unsupported candy wrappers, but now there is no military superiority (on the contrary, lagging behind). How can we print money now? Under what? For the industry transferred to China? The hegemon is no longer real.)))
    That is why such a howl from analysts is there.
    ))))

    So we will die in a poor but richest country in the world in an embrace with our exclusivity and superiority. And the decaying lagging west will continue to "passably" age and launch rockets on Mars, unnecessary to anyone. And yes, we almost won. At least in their heads
  • Ptolemy Lag
    Ptolemy Lag 4 March 2021 10: 03
    0
    The superpower was under the USSR.
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 4 March 2021 10: 10
    +1
    What are you people talking about?
    China's GDP growth in 5 years 34% (in Russia - 2,1%)
    The growth of household income in the PRC for five years exceeded 35% in total (against the Russian fall by 11,7%)

    In the United States, income growth by 11.4% in January 2021 - those who stayed at home in isolation in 2020 received payments of $ 1000 per adult, in Russia - a decline of 3.5%
    Personal income increased by $ 1 954,7 billion (10%) in January, according to estimates released today by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. Disposable personal income (DPI) increased by $ 1 billion (963,2%), while personal consumption expenditure (PCE) increased by $ 11,4 billion (340,9%).

    Against the backdrop of the pandemic crisis, the real disposable income of Russians at the end of 2020 fell by 3,5%, the Federal State Statistics Service estimated. They are now more than 10% behind the 2013 level. 19,6 million Russians live below the poverty line
    Read more at RBC:
    https://www.rbc.ru/economics/28/01/2021/60129a749a7947cf1ca85d53


    Do you still believe that the "Kremlin prisoner" cares about you, and not about his own safety and well-being?
    His government has repeatedly admitted incompetence.

    Exporting 3-class grain abroad, when there is not enough of it at flour mills, even mixing in grain of the 4th 5th class (about which the mention of the 2016th grade feed grain was removed in the guest of 5) - and a 40% increase in flour prices ( and this is how I see everything 100% - from 20 rubles in 2020 to 40 rubles at the end of 2020 and 2021).
    Rejoicing in rockets when coarse flour is added to your bread?
    1. Sergey Obraztsov
      Sergey Obraztsov 4 March 2021 10: 39
      +2
      China's GDP growth will soon end. It was caused largely by the belated urbanization of the population, which the same USSR passed back in the 30s. But the number of rural residents cannot fall below a certain limit (35-40% of the population), because someone needs to feed the cities.
      And one waiter in the city brings in more GDP than a rural worker.
      1. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. 4 March 2021 11: 37
        +3
        Quote: Sergey Obraztsov
        China's GDP growth will end soon


        Will decrease over time, but will not end - competent management of financial policy: they reduced taxes - VAT from 17% to 13% (in Russia they raised from 18 to 20%) Whose products will be cheaper?
        Their economy is accelerating, in Russia it is stagnating.
        With a colossal domestic market, the PRC is doing a lot to support it - first of all, it is the fight against poverty.
        Unlike the government of the Russian Federation, the Chinese understand that income in the form of taxes taxes are taken from the turnover - the larger the turnover, the faster it turns, the more efficiently the economy works, the greater the collection of taxes
        During the crisis, the Chinese government financed not banks (like the Russian Federation), but the real sector and the population. During the crisis of 2008-2009, the construction of high-speed railways began actively, and they invested in transport infrastructure, which further increased efficiency.
        They are engaged in global projects that have transferred water from the south to the arid north. they stop deserts and plant greenery - in general, there is a well-thought-out management of economic development, and there is enough for the army.

        And in the Russian Federation, the cash cow has been squeezed out for the third time. 2008 - 2014 - 2020 - Putin's government only patches budget holes by devaluation and inflation of 180% over 10 years regulates economic problems.

        Well, they also cheat with documents - having equated the people with a cattle, which is allowed to be fed with fodder grain, which in the USSR was used for cattle fodder and technical alcohol, now it is officially possible to mix flour in a batch.
        Coarse grain bread is already a reality

        https://www.rosbalt.ru/moscow/2016/02/26/1493548.html

        This is the "achievement" of the Kremlin prisoner, the Russians are fed the state media as a success in exporting grain
        Russia has set a new record for grain exports

        Russia has set a new world export record ...

        In the Kuban grain export in 2021. increased by 40%

        At the same time, only grain of the 3rd class is exported, which is not enough for food in the Russian Federation.
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 4 March 2021 19: 11
          +2
          do not argue, they and the United States will fall apart tomorrow and China will become impoverished .. but in fact everyone is growing, but we are still there .. don’t prove anything to them the facts are not interesting .. they believe ...
  • Sergey Obraztsov
    Sergey Obraztsov 4 March 2021 10: 36
    +1
    And finally, thirdly, feeling vulnerable, the United States may well decide in a crisis situation to preemptively strike Russia with all the ensuing consequences.


    Every time they put downsides on this topic, but you need to turn on the head of the Lord - there are no idiots with a lack of self-preservation instinct in politics. There are scum, scoundrels, horse thieves, but fools do not make their way up, the competition is too strong. So calm down, there will be no war.
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 4 March 2021 11: 10
    -3
    Ay, everything is simpler.

    Defending against ballistic missiles is a hundred times more expensive than building them. Neither preemptive strikes, nor pro, nor star wars will give you even 95% efficiency.

    And 5% of a thousand is already 50 blocks, which are guaranteed to inflict unacceptable damage to any state or military block.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 4 March 2021 15: 13
      +1
      50 blocks that are guaranteed to inflict unacceptable damage to any state or military bloc.

      Don't make people laugh. 50 charges don't guarantee anything. The West will transfer these 50 nuclear explosions to the lungs.
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 4 March 2021 17: 02
        +2
        I suppose, personally, you will also transfer a lot of things in an easy way, but you will never go to such things on your own;)

        The collective "west" is the same. That is why a big war has not happened so far.
  • Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 4 March 2021 11: 13
    0
    And now "Poseidon" and "Petrel" appear on the scene, which do not fall under the current and prospective restrictive treaties. Russia, even without these devices, guarantees a nuclear deterrent to the United States.

    Then why?

    Then, that the United States is a maritime power and the destruction and radioactive contamination of its port cities is guaranteed to lead to the economic and social collapse of the country as a whole.
    Russia is a continental country, and even if the United States creates an analogue of Poseidon, they will not be able to inflict comparable damage on us with his blow.
    And also then that the creation of Poseidon by Russia in addition to the Vanguard nullifies all US missile defense costs.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 4 March 2021 11: 20
    -1
    Author:
    Evgeny Fedorov
    As a roadmap for overcoming a critical situation, the general proposes to put into service more effective sea-launched cruise missiles with nuclear warheads.

    We will only welcome such a step, it will facilitate the work of our air defense and missile defense systems.

    The submarine fleet needs low-yield tactical nuclear warheads designed for limited strikes on the territory of Russia and China.

    And for this we will thank the Americans - the less the total nuclear strike of the submarine fleet, the less losses we will have.
    There is such a delusional concept at the Pentagon, created around the de-escalation of a non-nuclear conflict with several low-power nuclear strikes.

    Indeed, ordinary people can "believe" in this crazy idea, but military specialists never believed in such nonsense, considering hypothetically a war between the United States and Russia, or China.
    Military expert Alexei Leonkov believes that the Pentagon in the near future, in general, will not be able to catch up with Russia in the field of hypersound. Even taking into account the excess funding.
    I think the military expert too underestimates the US military-industrial complex and the financial capabilities of their budget. If they set a task for their military-industrial complex, then I think they will succeed in this direction.
    To inflict unacceptable damage on the Americans, 400-500 nuclear warheads are enough. It’s still Makmamara and Sakharov calculated.
    As far as I remember, even 100 nuclear charges are considered unacceptable for the US territory, and 200 charges will completely destroy the control system and the economy of the country. It's even better not to talk about 500 charges - all of North America and Mexico will be covered with a copper basin.
    First, the United States will look for an answer to the Poseidons with the Petrels and, most likely, will find it in the foreseeable future. And this is a new round of the ruinous arms race.
    This is unambiguous.
    And finally, thirdly, feeling vulnerable, the United States may well decide in a crisis situation to preemptively strike Russia with all the ensuing consequences.

    But this is unlikely - you just need to know the psychology of Americans, who are always cowardly against someone from whom they can receive a serious answer, and the example of North Korea is evidence of this. They have long understood that their lives are dearer to them than the communist ideology even in Cuba, which means they will not allow an adventure with an obviously stronger enemy. I do not believe in this step of theirs - there are still adequate rulers there.

    And now the ball seems to be on the side of Moscow.
    And the consequences of this can be unpredictable.

    Indeed, Russia has made a leap forward, which means that for the time being for 7-10 years we have secured ourselves from a nuclear war with our main enemy.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 4 March 2021 15: 21
      +1
      As far as I remember, even 100 nuclear charges are considered unacceptable for the United States.
      Your memory is failing you.
      Here's what I found on the net: "Robert McNamara at one time roughly described what unacceptable damage means for the country - this is the destruction of 2/3 of the economic potential and about 40% of the population.
      It is no secret that scientists from many countries are calculating losses in a nuclear war, here is a fragment of such a calculation - "a nuclear strike by Russia against the United States was simulated and data was obtained that 25,3 million people would be killed and maimed in the United States."
      The total population of the United States in 2010 is 308,7 million people. In this case, 8,2% of the country's population will become victims of "our otvetka" .. Moreover, the loss of killed only 3,3% of the US population is a surprisingly modest result and this is far from 40%. "
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 4 March 2021 17: 47
        +2
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        Here's what I found on the net: "Robert McNamara at one time roughly described what unacceptable damage means for the country - this is the destruction of 2/3 of the economic potential and about 40% of the population.

        Under McNamar, there were no such man-made disasters that would be taken seriously, and which are bound to happen now. Think of New Orleans, which has not yet been restored, or Kuwait's oil wells that have been burning for almost two years, projecting it onto Texas. I do not even mention the burning American forests for weeks - they could not cope with extinguishing fires even in peacetime. So McNamara proceeded from an incorrect assessment of the capabilities of the United States - the snowfall in Texas showed how helpless the American authorities really are.
        That is why the unacceptable threshold for the use of nuclear weapons has dropped over the past 30-40 years, and this is a fact. Although I admit that a hundred charges will not destroy all of America.
      2. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. 5 March 2021 09: 25
        0
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        The total population of the United States in 2010 is 308,7 million people. In this case, 8,2% of the country's population will become victims of "our otvetka" .. Moreover, the loss of killed only 3,3% of the US population is a surprisingly modest result and this is far from 40%. "


        More than 80% of the US population is urban.

        Given the high concentration of the population in urban agglomerations, which are one-story suburbs - very vast spaces - somewhere your forecast is close to reality.
  • Fisherman
    Fisherman 4 March 2021 11: 37
    +1
    Poseidon is a huge threat to US dominance for decades to come. The major US bases are virtually all coastal. Even if the Yankees can build up the defense of their North American coastal bases with a huge strain of forces, then a few dozen Poseidons will wash away the main bases outside the United States and completely destroy the logistics and operational strike capabilities outside their continent. Many countries at the moment use the weakness of a predator without claws, primarily the PRC and the DPRK in their region will expand their territories of control. The EU will immediately go into forced "neutrality" when the claws and part of the teeth are pulled out of the owner-Sherkhan.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 4 March 2021 15: 31
      +1
      Our belief in superweapons has become part of the national myth.
    2. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 5 March 2021 08: 12
      0
      Poseidon is a huge threat to US dominance for decades to come. The major US bases are virtually all coastal. Even if the Yankees can build up the defense of their North American coastal bases with a huge effort, a few dozen Poseidons will wash away the main bases outside the United States and completely destroy the logistics and operational strike capabilities outside their continent.


      And before Poseidon, all this was nothing to do, right?
  • smaug78
    smaug78 4 March 2021 12: 07
    0
    Quote: dsk
    Churchill for a long time begged Roosevelt to help not only with loans, financially, but also physically. Roosevelt replied: “An ordinary American will not go to die for others,” you need a reason. ”He appeared after the Japanese attack.

    It appeared after Germany declared war on the United States. What were the latter surprised.
  • don-1500
    don-1500 4 March 2021 12: 27
    0
    Quote: Ka-52
    Japan has been prepared against Russia for a long time

    a phrase from the vocabulary of Prokopenko, but far from reality. In any case, in the next 50 years.

    Open your eyes uv. Ka-52, the Japanese are almost ready. And as for me, this is our first likely enemy, number 1. And only then there are all sorts of Nats and Turks.
    1. okrd
      okrd 4 March 2021 15: 44
      0
      If it were not for the fear of nuclear weapons, the Kuril Islands would have long been not ours.
  • alexniko77
    alexniko77 4 March 2021 13: 51
    0
    The United States can decide on a preemptive strike, only in one case, when they are sure that all the destroying response will not arrive, and the Poseidons and vanguards are being developed for this - a guaranteed response with a 100 percent result. author, and you are not a state department zaslanets?
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 4 March 2021 15: 38
      0
      Are you not an exalted character with an unstable psyche, for whom the mention of Poseidon, not yet created in metal, causes euphoria?
      1. alexniko77
        alexniko77 5 March 2021 07: 23
        0
        put on a robe before the doctor?
    2. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 4 March 2021 20: 23
      +1
      The author simply writes "not ours, not ours."
      The Poseidons don't guarantee anything.
      The combat stability of their carriers is at best the same as that of SSBNs.
      This means that the guarantees of a retaliatory strike are the same as those of the SSBN.
      The question arises - was it possible to build another Borei with this money? And for the remainder of the OVR brigade to revive some? The money thrown away for Poseidon would be just enough for that.
      1. alexniko77
        alexniko77 5 March 2021 07: 32
        0
        and the question does not arise about what one hundred tanks or fifty planes (think of something else yourself) could have been done with this money. it will be possible to judge what is more important and necessary, more or less objectively, only after some time, it will show who is right.
        1. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 5 March 2021 07: 55
          +1
          The logic of a person who not only knows nothing, but also does not want to understand.
          1. alexniko77
            alexniko77 5 March 2021 08: 09
            -1
            well, but you are an awesome big specialist who knows apl, mbr, drones, avionics, etc. the prosecutor and napoleon are your neighbors
            1. timokhin-aa
              timokhin-aa 5 March 2021 08: 10
              +1
              Well, not fucking awesome, but I understand something quite well.
              1. alexniko77
                alexniko77 5 March 2021 08: 23
                +1
                Shoigu, just for some reason, he does not call and does not advise, wah!
                1. timokhin-aa
                  timokhin-aa 5 March 2021 08: 26
                  +1
                  But he jumped normally at the end of 2018.
                  And he personally weighed the kick to Rear Admiral Trapichnikov.
                  Because of me as well. So that.
                  And Konashenkovskaya village in February ran like a stung and collected information on me who was, where it came from ...

                  And it is not advised to consult, no.
                  1. alexniko77
                    alexniko77 5 March 2021 08: 44
                    0
                    well, I wrote above about the prosecutor and napoleon and there is nothing more to talk about
                    1. timokhin-aa
                      timokhin-aa 5 March 2021 09: 13
                      +1
                      However, at the end of 2018, another article was written, this time together with M. Klimov, in which the question of the need for a sound approach to ships in the near sea zone was once again raised in an acute form. This article was approved for publication in one major federal publication, but one day before its publication, information about the upcoming material reached the Ministry of Defense. As a result of a number of events, the material was removed from the press, and the officials responded to the author and the second appeal too, and the response with a significantly overdue date came early in the morning on the first working day of the new 2019 year.


                      At this link, take a look at the correspondence with the High Command.
                      https://topwar.ru/174057-pobeda-zdravogo-smysla-korvety-vozvraschajutsja-poka-dlja-tihookeancev.html

                      A large federal publication - NVO, but alas, on the 28th the list of materials came to Sergei Kuzhugetovich. As a result, the material was removed and it was released a few months later on VO

                      And do not judge people by themselves, if you call no one in any way, this does not mean that other people are the same.
                      1. alexniko77
                        alexniko77 5 March 2021 09: 38
                        -1
                        puffs you up, apparently, poor thing
                      2. timokhin-aa
                        timokhin-aa 5 March 2021 09: 50
                        +2
                        I have all the rules., I assess myself adequately, the main thing is that you understand the real value of the opinions that you express.
  • noct
    noct 4 March 2021 13: 54
    +1
    The author either does not totally catch up or deliberately works for the enemy. Let me explain, yes 10-12 Poseidons in theater of operations will not change anything globally, but they force you to strain with their own capabilities to attack anywhere on the coast. Those. to counteract it is necessary to control the ALL coast ... Since you do not know where it comes from. In total, huge costs to counteract the fact that this area may not sail ... Their soybeans, on the contrary, let them spend on defense against this weapon. It is already unused and inflicts an economic blow on the enemy
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 4 March 2021 15: 43
      0
      but they make you tense

      Firstly, they (Poseidons) do not exist and it is not known whether they will appear or not.
      Secondly, the enemies will not particularly strain, since they will find an "antidote"
      Thirdly, do not believe so enchantingly in superweapons, the German man in the street at the end of the Second World War also had faith in a fantastic weapon, just like we have now.
    2. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 4 March 2021 20: 20
      +1
      Those. to counteract it is necessary to control the ALL coast ...


      Do not. It is necessary to fill up the carrier and that's it.
      And these torpedoes themselves are never invulnerable.
  • okrd
    okrd 4 March 2021 15: 21
    +2
    The US technological lag should be spoken of with caution. In fact, the Yankees just beat on nuclear power and nuclear weapons. In principle, not only they, but the entire West in its entirety, except perhaps France. It does not fit into their ideas about the future, new blocks are not planned.
    Largely due to this, and also thanks to a good initial groundwork, Russia still holds the leadership in this industry. Trump tried to change something, but now with the arrival of "green" Biden, everything will return to normal. The Americans will rely on conventional weapons, where their leading positions are obvious.
    But if we are doing well with warheads, then with carriers, everything is not so rosy. What "Sarmat" are we talking about, which does not exist and it is not known when it will be? Now on alert there are 46 "Voevod" each with 10 warheads. This is from a quarter to a third of our entire nuclear potential. All of them have long entered the pre-retirement age and should be disposed of in the coming years. This is aggravated by the fact that their manufacturer, the Ukrainian Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, has long refused to support them. There is no such thing as a replacement for the much-hyped "Sarmat". There is not even a flight test infrastructure yet. It should be ready by 2022, after which at least several years of testing. After being put into service, these missiles will still have to be produced. Let me remind you that it is necessary to replace 46 "Voevods" with them, but they are not produced quickly.
    The core of the naval component of the strategic nuclear forces is the Dolphins, which are also constantly being "extended", there are three new "Boreis" on duty, and one more is about to be delivered. And according to the plan, there should already be a dozen of them by 2020.
    "Vanguard" is currently on alert as many as two. And they are, again, on the old Soviet Stilettos. What 81% of new and modernized weapons are we talking about here?
    1. Ryusey
      Ryusey 4 March 2021 16: 07
      +2
      You forgot to add that the Boreas and Dolphins are not covered by either general-purpose naval forces or anti-submarine aircraft, which sharply reduces their combat resistance and increases the chance of their destruction to critical values ​​before they strike.
  • iouris
    iouris 4 March 2021 15: 22
    -1
    Is this the same E. Fedorov? Well then, it is clear...
  • Ryusey
    Ryusey 4 March 2021 16: 02
    0
    With all due respect, you are proceeding from false assumptions, 200-400 warheads will not be enough to strike at the United States, even 1000 will not be enough, as is otherwise true in the opposite direction, and then there is France, Great Britain, Israel, which is a strategic partner of the United States. .. Do not forget about their bases in Europe and Asia, in other words, we will not be able to glaze them either (in the 80s the states were ready to lose 30-40% of their population and there is no reason for this to change.
    Vanguards, Poseidons and Petrel do not change anything globally - the total number of warheads does not grow and that's it.
    And the conclusion is, by the way, correct, the United States is preparing for war and is preparing seriously, and most importantly, they are going to win it, and all the outbursts on their part about their weakness, nothing more than an element of preparation for this very war, which we cannot possibly lose, will not rise. it will work out, but unfortunately, failure is very likely.
  • Old26
    Old26 4 March 2021 16: 35
    +1
    Quote: dsk
    Sly Biden quickly agreed to extend the Russia-States START Treaty, because NATO has an advantage, while Britain and France have nuclear weapons. Last year, the States transferred it to Italy.

    What nonsense you are writing, Sergei! Do not equate TRANSMISSION nuclear weapons to the other side and ACCOMMODATION on the territory of this country of nuclear weapons. In addition, tactical nuclear weapons have been on the territory of Italy for 30-40 years, no less, and you are talking about the past, 2020 ...
  • Radikal
    Radikal 4 March 2021 17: 07
    -1
    The nuclear triad is in the red: how Russia is threatened by the technological lag of the United States
    Triviality, the Russian Federation has already lagged behind by 40 years, when they tore, jerked, gnawed the legacy of the USSR, and nothing changed, the gang that came - eats, eats and eats, but ... based on the eternal Marxist-Leninist theory of the masses, they either get tired, or break the bonds of the oppressors! bully
  • meandr51
    meandr51 4 March 2021 17: 25
    -2
    What to talk to them about? Crush them like Hitler.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 4 March 2021 19: 09
    +2
    Bullshit, not an article.
    1. ironic
      ironic 4 March 2021 19: 56
      -1
      One hundred percent, and not the first such nonsense.
  • ironic
    ironic 4 March 2021 19: 55
    -1
    The author, do not screw nonsense. She's in pain. How long can you invent non-existent threats and achievements? You would have the author to first compare the abilities of the Mace with the Trident D5LE, and then his own with Yars. And the Minuteman to compare with the Topol-M, not forgetting to take into account the fact that the most effective power of a strategic warhead, with its sufficient accuracy, has long been considered the range from 100 to 300kt, and both the Minuteman and Topol-M warheads are redundant, but the latter is more powerful, but and not very accurate. Here are just Topol-M, Yars and Bulava for a long time, and Minuteman and Trident will be replaced in the next decade. So what is the article about? What about pink elephants? Terrible! It looks like you need to take and write an article about the incessant replication of nonsense on the topic of strategic nuclear forces.
  • Teen_mutant
    Teen_mutant 4 March 2021 19: 56
    -1
    In addition to the generally obscure content of the article, the author made a number of significant mistakes, namely:
    -
    "Avangard" from the complex "Sarmat"

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Авангард_(ракетный_комплекс)
    At the moment, the only carrier of the Vanguard is the UR-100N UTTH. Sarmat is possible only in the distant future.
    - About what
    Russia will have up to 700-750 missiles
    Yes, and
    megaton class
    can we talk in retaliation? If, according to START-3, the conditions of which Russia is fulfilling, we should not (without going into details) have no more than 700 strategic missiles of all types in deployed state.
  • timokhin-aa
    timokhin-aa 4 March 2021 20: 18
    0
    Another one has "Poseidons collected".
    Damn, why bother with such topics?
  • Sergey Sfiedu
    Sergey Sfiedu 4 March 2021 21: 47
    0
    "But in spite of everything, the first signs of defeatism are observed in the United States" - there is no point in reading further ..
  • lego2
    lego2 4 March 2021 22: 32
    +1
    Again, if nothing happened. Something the Americans are not very worried about how we will react to their new clothes.
  • Peaceful SEO
    Peaceful SEO 4 March 2021 22: 53
    0
    Author, there is no need to stop, you need to go further. Offer unilateral disarmament at once. And then you never know what ... Suddenly the Americans will get scared and give it first. For one thing, you can cut an ordinary army so as not to provoke anyone ..
    Threat
    If anything, it was sarcasm
  • Old26
    Old26 4 March 2021 23: 24
    +2
    Quote: okrd
    Now on alert there are 46 "Voevod" each with 10 warheads. E

    I think the number of "Voevods" should be reduced by almost 2 times, IMHO to a maximum of 26

    Quote: okrd
    There is no such thing as a replacement for the much-hyped "Sarmat". There is not even a flight test infrastructure yet.

    The "Sarmat" itself is not really there yet, but the infrastructure is there. At least the Yubileinaya site in Plesetsk.

    Quote: ironic
    from only America, the one that really makes decisions, perfectly understands that the Vanguard, even in the number of 12 units, does not change anything, and Sarmat still needs to get to the replacement of 56 Soviet Satans and 18 Stilettos, which you can already count or not at all or almost not.

    "Stilettos" are now in service from the word ALL, "Vanguards" for March 2021 - 4 (by the end of 2021, it seems, they plan to deploy a regiment of 6 silos. so, for information)

    Quote: okrd
    After being put into service, these missiles will still have to be produced. Let me remind you that it is necessary to replace 46 "Voevod" with them, but they are not produced quickly.

    If you believe the insider information about the possible rate of production of "Sarmatov" 10 units / year, then all 46 units, which were planned to be replaced, will be produced in 5 years.

    Quote: okrd
    There are two vanguards "on alert today. And they are, again, on old Soviet Stilettos."

    Well, actually 4. And what exactly are you not satisfied with "Stilettos" as an ICBM?
    1. okrd
      okrd 5 March 2021 10: 24
      -1
      Quote: okrd
      After being put into service, these missiles will still have to be produced. Let me remind you that it is necessary to replace 46 "Voevod" with them, but they are not produced quickly.

      If you believe the insider information about the possible rate of production of "Sarmatov" 10 units / year, then all 46 units, which were planned to be replaced, will be produced in 5 years.


      At an approximate speed of 10 pieces / year, we produce Yars. "Sarmat" is a rocket of a completely different class, plus a new thing for the domestic military-industrial complex. And then just the Soviet pace. It is very doubtful, given that our Wishlist should be divided not by two, but at least by three.

      Quote: okrd
      There are two vanguards "on alert today. And they are, again, on old Soviet Stilettos."

      Well, actually 4. And what exactly are you not satisfied with "Stilettos" as an ICBM?


      I use these sources here.
      https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Russian-Strategic-Nuclear-Forces-Under-New-START
      http://russianforces.org/rus/missiles/

      It says two. If there is more recent data, share the link.
      Stilettos are good for everyone, except that their lifespan is also coming to an end.
  • Gips
    Gips 5 March 2021 01: 40
    0
    "Two superpowers" - this is of course loudly said. Privatizing a country and destroying its industry, and then swinging missiles, defending the capitalist interests of the new bourgeoisie in a competitive struggle is not a superpower.
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 5 March 2021 07: 56
      0
      swinging missiles to defend the capitalist interests of the new bourgeoisie in a competitive struggle is not a superpower.


      That is, the United States is not a superpower? And then you just described their behavior.
      1. Gips
        Gips 5 March 2021 11: 37
        0
        Nice man, you all perfectly understood. Hatred of the subject of discussion does not in any way affect the objective reality. And just in case, think about where 38 businesses have gone in 000 years.
        1. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 5 March 2021 18: 51
          +1
          I understand that you do not understand anything. It was capitalism that made the United States a superpower, and the USSR with Soviet methods of management collapsed under the weight of internal problems and external blows. And from this, quite obvious conclusions can be drawn.
          1. Gips
            Gips 5 March 2021 20: 02
            0
            You would have thrown out the TV already. So this is information that is rotten for a long time and is not relevant even for the guardians.
            And your star is too small on the Vlasov tricolor.
            1. timokhin-aa
              timokhin-aa 5 March 2021 21: 00
              +1
              That is, the United States is not a superpower, and the USSR has not disintegrated? What a twist.
              1. Gips
                Gips 7 March 2021 02: 20
                0
                The USSR collapsed? It sounds the same as "Karbyshev is dead". And the meaning is the same. The USSR was killed. And take a look in the mirror and see one of those who killed my country, my Fatherland, my Motherland.
                Ignorance and frankly baryzhy interest finished the matter.
                And the fascists from the NTS insisted that the flag be exactly the tricolor. And it was your victory, I agree. But this is temporary.
                We will also ask you, from class enemies, for all the ruined lives and the theft of the results of the labor of millions of people.

                The funny thing is that those who helped to kill the USSR, that is, the US superpower, at that time your friends, now your enemies)))
  • Vladimir Sharp
    Vladimir Sharp 5 March 2021 02: 43
    0
    the author pours water into the mill of s
  • alex-sherbakov48
    alex-sherbakov48 5 March 2021 09: 59
    +1
    Where the Americans are right is that the economy of our country leaves much to be desired. A lot of enterprises were destroyed during the Gorbachev and Yeltsin periods, and military secrets were taken out almost by trains, ships and planes. There is no guarantee that even now these shortcomings do not sit in the highest echelons of power. The presence of dual citizenship, real estate and accounts abroad clearly speaks about this. On television, political scientists of all stripes tell us about our country, having real estate and dual citizenship abroad.
    1. Gips
      Gips 5 March 2021 12: 12
      0
      Destroyed and destroyed now. It is clear that it is customary to bypass the bourgeoisie of today, and its protégé at the head of state.
      Our new gentlemen did not succeed in what was planned. Not accepted on equal terms in the capitalist world of the Russian Federation. And when we realized that the rules of the game are tough and only competition rules the show, our owners of means of production began to defend their material interests at the international level. Naturally, this requires a modern army. It was then that they got alarmed urgently, they began to return the defense industry from foreign private hands.

      The good news is that a lot of things necessary for defense were left as a legacy from the USSR.

      Just let no one be deceived. Our gentlemen are not defending citizens from foreign invasion. Their privileges and nothing more. An army in a catalytic country serves only to successfully compete. Not to protect the conquests of October))), by God))
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