Donbass believes that active hostilities may resume in the region

Over the past day, the Ukrainian armed forces fired at the territory of the DPR twice. In addition, yesterday morning there was an intensive mortar shelling of the village of the Gagarin mine on the outskirts of Gorlovka.

This was reported to the "Donetsk agency News»DPR representatives in the Joint Center for Control and Coordination of the Ceasefire Regime.

It is noted that the Ukrainian military fired more than fifty 82 and 120 mm caliber mines along the Gorlovka outskirts. During the shelling, one soldier of the NM of the Republic was killed, two more soldiers were wounded.

Also, according to the DPR People's Militia Directorate (UNM), over the past day in Sloviansk, which is located on the territory of Donbass controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the intelligence of the Donetsk People's Republic discovered a cluster of artillery at the railway station. Near residential buildings and municipal facilities, the Armed Forces of Ukraine deployed 16 towed guns: 12 Hyacinth-B 152 mm howitzers and four MT-12 Rapier guns of 100 mm caliber.

The Ukrainian military traditionally breaks down the ceasefire in Donbass, blaming NM DNR for this. The press service of the Joint Forces Operation headquarters on its Facebook page indicated that the defenders of Donbass used 120 and 122 mm artillery against the Ukrainian Armed Forces, as well as sniper weapon... The Ukrainian military allegedly only responded to enemy fire.

On his Twitter page, an officer of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Serhiy Neshchadim, wrote that the Ukrainian Armed Forces had destroyed "nine representatives of the enemy" in a day.

A package of additional measures to the ceasefire on the contact line came into force on July 27 last year, but this did not lead to an end to the shelling and provocations from Kiev.

Donbass notes that the situation has worsened significantly in February. The Ukrainian side has increased the number of shelling and provocations. Many in the region believe that all this could lead to a resumption of active hostilities. The accumulation of the Armed Forces of heavy equipment near the contact line may well be considered one of such prerequisites.

Comments

[Odysseus]

According to updated data, only yesterday -8 dead. Bezler writes about 20.
After that, they finally began to answer.

[Machito]

The Minsk reservations will never lead to peace. Only an attack on Kiev and Lvov will make it possible to expel the Euro-fascist invaders from the territory of Ukraine.

[Mikle2000]

+++++ only attack on Kiev and Lviv

How many bad people do you intend to kill while doing this holy task?

[Flooding]

Quote: Mikle2000

How many bad people do you intend to kill while doing this holy task?

what if we push them back to the Canadian border?

[Mikle2000]

+++++ What if we push them back to the Canadian borders?

The idea of ​​freeing living space from bad people and populating this space with good people is quite old, but not always feasible. Sometimes he meets active opposition.

[Flooding]

Quote: Mikle2000

The idea of ​​freeing living space from bad people and populating this space with good people is quite old, but not always feasible. Sometimes he meets active opposition.

Would you oppose resettlement to Canada? It remains only to persuade the Canadians.

And in fairness - I did not write a word about the settlement. This is your proposal.

[Mikle2000]

++++; I haven't written a word about the check-in

I beg your pardon, I didn’t understand that the main thing for you is to drive out the bad ones, and the vacated territory can be abandoned anyway.

[Flooding]

Quote: Mikle2000

I beg your pardon, I didn’t understand that the main thing for you is to drive out the bad ones, and the vacated territory can be abandoned anyway.

Again you are trying to write for me.
Don't, I can handle it myself.
In Ukraine, there are enough decent people to take care of their land.
Are you cunning? Or does it just happen?

[Mikle2000]

Well, the same question for you - how many people, according to your ideas, will have to be killed and how many people will have to be relocated to Canada by the hands of the Russian army, since decent people in Ukraine cannot cope on their own.

[Flooding]

Quote: Mikle2000

Well, the same question for you - how many people, according to your ideas, will have to be killed and how many people will have to be relocated to Canada by the hands of the Russian army, since decent people in Ukraine cannot cope on their own.

I am against bloodshed.
Only if there is no other way to solve the problem.
Decent people, they always cannot cope on their own without outside organizational help.
They are not bad guys, but mostly inert.

Now let's play by your rules.
Why do you think that the problem of Russian-Ukrainian relations can be solved only with the help of the Russian army and only through bloodshed?
You have repeatedly tried to impose this idea on me.

[Mikle2000]

I just asked the author of the idea of ​​an attack on Lvov and Kiev how long it would take to kill bad people. You noted that it is not necessary to kill, you can push back. I asked you the same question - HOW MUCH? Now you say that there is no need to kill or push back, let them figure it out themselves. With this position, I completely agree, sorry that I did not immediately consider it in your texts.

[Flooding]

Quote: Mikle2000

You noted that it is not necessary to kill, you can push back

not true. I did not write that killing is optional. just as he did not write that it is obligatory to kill. I didn't write anything about the murders. you again for yours.
again you impose a bloody war.
what is wrong with you?

Quote: Mikle2000

I asked you the same question - HOW MUCH?

you asked the following

Quote: Mikle2000

how many people do you think will have to be killed and how many will be resettled to Canada by the hands of the Russian army,

to which I replied that I was not a supporter of military operations. so how many to kill with the hands of the Russian army is not for me

Quote: Mikle2000

Now you say there is no need to kill or push back, let them figure it out on their own

again not true.
I wrote about the good people in Ukraine in relation to your concern that it will remain empty if the villains are expelled from there.
can you make an effort on yourself and try not to avoid facts and not come up with a gag?

[Mikle2000]

I agree, I could not understand what your texts were, but the fact that you are not a supporter of bloodshed I understood and I am sincerely happy about it. And then there are so many people around who want to kill. ((
I'm glad we're both not in this cohort.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Mikle2000

+ + + + +only an attack on Kiev and Lvov
How many bad people do you intend to kill while doing this holy task?

Quote: Mikle2000

+++++ What if we push them back to the Canadian borders?
The idea of ​​freeing living space from bad people and populating this space with good people quite old, but not always feasible. Sometimes he meets active opposition.

So, this is precisely the policy that your Kyiv junta is pursuing with respect to the inhabitants of the LPR, meeting justified opposition. That is, when the "ukrozakhisniks" calling themselves "slave-class members" fire at the civilian population and the infrastructure of life support, you do not jar, but when the prospect is drawn to snatch out on the ears and exile this Caudla towards Lviv, the "ukropatrioti" traditionally begin to screech - "And we are for sho? "
For the cause, disrespectful, for the cause. You, with your Bandera and amerikanschina, and in the rest of the territory of Ukraine, all the normal and sane population to the root pulled up. So it will gladly help the forces of the LDNR to expel your evil rule along with the stubborn "natsipatriots".

[Mikle2000]

What do I have to do with it? I'm Russian. And I am not even against the proposed campaign to Kiev. And I even believe that this campaign will do without losses on our, Russian side. I'm just wondering how many bad people are supposed to be killed during this event. We're not going to kill the good ones, are we?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Mikle2000

What do I have to do with it? I'm Russian. And I am not even against the proposed campaign to Kiev. And I even believe that this campaign will do without losses on our Russian side. I'm just wondering how many bad people are supposed to be killed during this event. We're not going to kill the good ones, are we?

Clear. At such a time, they will destroy exactly as much as they will fight. with arms in hand against the forces of compulsion to peace and the establishment of constitutional order. No one else.

[Mikle2000]

This is clear. I ask you to give a numerical estimate. 5 people, 5000, five million, 15? It is understandable not to pity any of them, since they are opposing us with weapons, but how many cartridges and coffins to prepare.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Mikle2000

This is clear. I ask you to give a numerical estimate. 5 people, 5000, five million, 15?

Do you work at a felting factory? Are you masquerading as products? It is written how many heads will be in arms, and so many must be transferred to a horizontal position, otherwise it will not work. Then the arithmetic of calculating losses will begin in fact, but it will definitely not reach millions.

Quote: Mikle2000

None of them is understandably sorry, since they are opposing us with weapons

Why is it not a pity? Those who were forced to go there by intimidation with criminal prosecution are a pity, but ideologically stubborn Natsiks are not a pity. It seems that the forcibly smart people themselves will lay down their weapons, while the ideological ones will have to be "put to sleep." So there will be several thousand.

Quote: Mikle2000

but how many cartridges and coffins to cook

Enough cartridges. I won't tell you about the coffins. And what, do you also earn extra money as an undertaker, since you are so keenly interested in the need for coffins?

[Mikle2000]

Several thousand is tolerable. I'm just afraid the number will come out higher. What if you have to kill, say, 20 million - won't that confuse you? How much will you have to put - so much, okay?
Do you have a border after which you say - yes, perhaps in vain we went to Kiev, too many had to be killed. Or is there no such border?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Mikle2000

That is, if you have to kill, say, 20 million - will it not embarrass you? How much will you have to put - so much, okay?

You also have difficulty reading comprehension There will be no 20 million, we are not Americans, and unlike them we do not burn with napalm and do not arrange carpet bombing using the scorched earth tactics, because humanity, even in relation to the enemy, is our national distinctive feature, in comparison with the same Europeans and Anglo-Saxons.

[Mikle2000]

Well then, what's the matter? What if millions of Ukrainians suffer under the yoke of Nazism, and only a few thousand scumbags need to be killed? Why are you pissing all these years, since your cause is right? Really American sanctions? Well, the standard of living will drop a little - that's business. And because of this, they threw the brothers to be torn apart by the Nazis?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Mikle2000

Well then, what's the matter? What if millions of Ukrainians suffer under the yoke of Nazism, and only a few thousand scumbags need to be killed? Why are you pissing all these years, since your cause is right? Really American sanctions? Well, the standard of living will drop a little - that's business. And because of this, they threw the brothers to be torn apart by the Nazis?

Nooo disrespectful "Russian" - "Haste is needed when catching fleas", but meanwhile, the second distinguishing feature of Russians is - "Slow harness and fast driving." The Ukrainian people should be given time to accumulate the results of the "Revolution of Hydration" to hiccups and diathesis. If they had climbed in earlier, the number of Russia's opponents in this territory would have been many times greater, since they would have directly linked all economic and domestic problems with Russia's intervention, and so, they themselves, with their little hands, are digging a hole for their economy and statehood. It is necessary that they be happy to return to Russia.

[Mikle2000]

They would rather stick to NATO like Poles and other Balts. Please note - not a single country from the Warsaw Treaty has remained neutral, let alone become an ally of Russia.
But time will judge us.
And the deterioration and a very noticeable standard of living in Donetsk / Lugansk is associated by its residents, I'm afraid not at all with the revolution in Kiev, but with the Russian-Buryat brothers. Those who were drowned and in fact abandoned - Donbass did their job (annoyed Ukraine) and there the grass does not grow, the Russian authorities do not care about the problems of the natives.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Mikle2000

They would rather stick to NATO like Poles and other Balts.

They are ready to stick to NATO already tomorrow after lunch, but NATO is not ready to accept them into its membership at all. He is quite satisfied with the status of Ukraine as a "priority candidate", which allows him to use Ukrainian territory and resources without any encumbrances and obligations.

Quote: Mikle2000

Please note - not a single country from the Warsaw Treaty has remained neutral, let alone become an ally of Russia.

Russia at that time went to the same place where the Warsaw Pact countries ended up, but they modestly refused it, because otherwise the existence of the NATO bloc would lose all meaning and the US military corporations lost a fucking lot of money. Well, if a bloc cannot exist without "hostile" Russia, then Russia decides the issue of its defense on its own without these "allies".

Quote: Mikle2000

And the deterioration and a very noticeable standard of living in Donetsk / Lugansk is associated by its residents, I'm afraid not at all with the revolution in Kiev, but with the Russian-Buryat brothers.

How everything started. The blockades of Chudik Semenchenko and other pranks with the cancellation of pension payments and shelling of infrastructure and life support facilities are the work of dillies, and not Russia, which regularly sends humanitarian convoys there. The presence of the Russian Buryat troops was not proven, and moreover, it was refuted at the level of the senior officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Quote: Mikle2000

Donbass did their job (annoyed Ukraine) and there the grass does not grow

How did Donbass annoy Ukraine? The fact that he did not recognize the anti-constitutional coup?))) For this, they flooded the armed banderlog of the village to loot?

Quote: Mikle2000

The Russian authorities do not care about the problems of the natives.

Of course, the problems of the Ukrainian natives are not very worried about, but the problems of the inhabitants of the LPR do not care - people receive Russian citizenship, study in our universities, their documents are recognized in the Russian Federation and are not an obstacle to employment, they are vaccinated by Sputnik. It is still difficult to do more in view of their indefinite status, but taking into account the insane state of the Kuevo evil lord, the status of the LDNR will be changed from unrecognized republics to fully recognized ones, after which a number of interstate and intergovernmental agreements and treaties on economic and military cooperation will be signed.

Quote: Mikle2000

But time will judge us.

Yeah. I think it's not long left to wait. Now a can of kicks is pushed to the president of ukraine so that he can fight a little, and after that the administrative boundaries of the LPNR will be returned under their full control.

[Mikle2000]

The situation has not been resolved for 7 years. Russia cannot provide the inhabitants of the republics with a standard of living comparable to the rest of Ukraine, despite the fact that life there is not sugar. So the attractiveness of such a model is in great doubt. But let's see. While I would rather say that Ukraine is heading towards Europe, not Russia.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Mikle2000

Russia cannot provide the inhabitants of the republics with a standard of living comparable to the rest of Ukraine, despite the fact that life there is not sugar. So the attractiveness of such a model is in great doubt.

Crimea is under the jurisdiction of Russia - the standard of living is an order of magnitude higher than in Ukraine. LDNR is not yet under the jurisdiction of Russia. What do we compare with?

Quote: Mikle2000

While I would rather say that Ukraine is heading towards Europe, not Russia.

Let it go, a tailwind to the fifth point of a hurricane. Today, there is no truer way to lose your statehood and independence, how to enter Europe. The EU is essentially the same USSR, only in the worst case. The same lack of borders between states (Schengen), a single monetary unit, the same subsidies to regions and subordination to the center, i.e. Brussels. Only in contrast to the USSR, where the center invested in the outskirts and developed industry, energy and agriculture in them, the reverse process is going on in the EU, when the industry, energy and agriculture of the adjoining Young Europeans are dismantled, and the market is cleared for the goods of several, "exceptional" European countries. It turns out that Ukraine, having left one union, climbed into another union, having erased its independence with an eraser, about which it tries on all corners for days on end. Considering the fact that a full-fledged entry has not happened in 7 years and Ukraine, as before, is marking time in the EU dressing room, I think that Ukraine will not be able to fully infuse into the "friendly" European family. The EU has already removed from the budget an item of subsidized financing of the Baltic countries and Poland, and even taking on another subsidized region controlled from Washington, with 30 million hungry Ukrainians, with the current civil war and a huge external debt to the IMF, Europe seems to be completely out of vein. We can put on a party of drums in Ukraine so that the step of Ukrainians going to Europe would be clearer and more filigree.

[Mikle2000]

Maintaining an acceptable standard of living in Crimea cost Russians a noticeable decline in their own standard of living. Crimea does not produce anything, as indeed the LDNR does now. It does not seem that the Russian leadership is ready to feed even this small part of Ukraine well. Yes, I do not argue that Ukraine is going to the abyss. I am worried that Russia is stomping exactly there. Yes, the industrial potential of Ukraine has been destroyed, but after all it was used by us, not by Europe. Where were the Zenith missiles, aircraft engines, ship diesels going? And who won that they no longer exist?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Mikle2000

Yes, the industrial potential of Ukraine has been destroyed, but after all it was used by us, not by Europe. Where were the Zenith missiles, aircraft engines, ship diesels going? And who won that they are no more?

Here the answer is on the surface - the USA and Europe won.

Quote: Mikle2000

Maintaining an acceptable standard of living in Crimea cost Russians a noticeable decline in their own standard of living. Crimea does not produce anything

Somehow, I did not notice a noticeable decrease in the standard of living associated precisely with the annexation of Crimea. As for production, in this case it is secondary. Primarily, if a NATO base were set up in Crimea, then our costs for equipping a full-fledged Black Sea Fleet base in Novorossiysk and for countering mattresses would be incomparably higher. Security, you know, isn't cheap.

Quote: Mikle2000

I am worried that Russia is stomping exactly there.

Do not worry, Russia has turned in the other direction and is going its own way, although some weights hung on Russia by "partners" seriously impede this movement. We are definitely not on our way with the West.

[Mikle2000]

Well, what kind of opposition, what are you talking about? There is neither the strength nor the ability nor the desire to resist. Fairy tales and cartoons for the population to justify why they live so badly

[hydro]

How much it will take, both in our country and in Ukraine they are feeding the population with their propaganda, it is another question whether Ukraine will decide on the use of force, because the Minsk agreements no longer suit them, but for this they need a strong grouping so that they can be lightning fast! How Russia will respond is up to the president and his team, because passports are being handed out, humanitarian aid and more. And in the event of a new conflict, it will be a difficult choice!

[Kisa]

Quote: hydroy

The Minsk agreements no longer suit them

both are satisfied with an insurmountable divide. Zelya receives a blessing from Baydon and receives new anti-Russian inspiration from the population, and the Kremlin keeps the already leaky Ukrainian budget in good shape -6% for defense if it does not overstrain without the IMF. Well, there is OPZH Boyko gazik vaccine ... and Kiev is ours again))

[New Year day]

Quote: Bearded

Only an attack on Kiev and Lvov will make it possible to expel the Euro-fascist invaders from the territory of Ukraine.

Seriously! Who will attack? What will you do with the partisans? How about super-sanctions like the oil embargo?

[hydro]

Until no one comes! But it's a pity for people who live constantly during bombing! For 7 years, a well-developed region has suffered a lot! (

[New Year day]

Quote: hydroy

But it's a pity for people who live constantly during bombing! For 7 years, a well-developed region has suffered a lot! (

Sorry. But this is not a solution to the issue. Initially it was clear that Minsk was stillborn. What did it take for 7 years? The window of opportunity is closed. People were a bargaining chip and now what?

[Alexey Kostyukov]

war, so war ...
no one bothers to declare retaliatory sanctions against tankers and pipelines in the west, you can't put a guard on every pelvis.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Bearded

Minsk reservations will never lead to peace

Undoubtedly.

Quote: Bearded

Only an offensive on Kiev and Lvov will make it possible to expel the Euro-fascist invaders from the territory of Ukraine

As for Lvov, he is generally not needed. As for Kiev, it's late. The liberation of Ukraine from the putschists was possible only in 2014, and above all by the hands of the Ukrainians themselves. After the recognition of Poroshenko's power, there is no such option.

[Kronos]

The DPR and LPR were not able to reach Kiev even at their peak.

[Thrifty]

It is the matter of time! Yankees and others like them not in vain support the Natsiks, albeit behind the scenes! To get a military base on the very border with Russia, place nuclear weapons there, and blackmail our country, this is their golden dream!

[Kronos]

They already have bases on the borders of Russia along the entire perimeter.

[Lord of the Sith]

7 and 200 in the DPR. The APU has 3 300s and 11s.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Sith Lord

Lord Sith (Sergey)
Today, 17: 18
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+4
7 and 200 in the DPR. The APU has 3 300s and 11s.

Thanks for the clarification. I received information that 7 are near Gorlovka and 1 more. If you made a mistake on one, I ask you to sincerely excuse (human blood is not water). On the Ukrainian losses, information is only from our side. It is said that 11 were killed; the number of those wounded is unknown.

[Lord of the Sith]

So I can be wrong, as well as you take from open sources.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

And the situation in Russia disposes to draw it into a war ... the standard of living is falling, protest moods are growing, it is necessary to somehow distract the population.

[Flooding]

Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT

And the situation in Russia disposes to involve it in the war ... the standard of living is falling, protest moods are growing, it is necessary to somehow distract the population

So you suppose Kiev conspired with the Kremlin to calm the protest moods?

[Cron]

Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT

And the situation in Russia disposes to draw it into a war ... the standard of living is falling, protest moods are growing, it is necessary to somehow distract the population.

With a falling standard of living and protest moods, the Russian authorities will be drawn into a war that will lead to a large number of victims, crowds of refugees, huge economic losses, and all in order to hang tens of millions of people around their necks, including many negatively opposed to the Russian Federation. and to get the next sanctions?
Do you even have time to eat?

[hydro]

So the Russian Federation will have to decide or save Donbass in the event of a massive attack, or give it up to be devoured! Should they have left the Ukrainian Armed Forces with 100 tanks and a lot of offensive equipment on the border with the LPNR?

[Cron]

Quote: hydroy

So the Russian Federation will have to decide or save Donbass in the event of a massive attack, or give it up to be devoured! Should they have left the Ukrainian Armed Forces with 100 tanks and a lot of offensive equipment on the border with the LPNR?

Well, these are completely different situations than the comrade describes above, this will already be a reaction to aggression from Ukraine. Moreover, it has already been said that Donbass will not be left. If the LDNR is thrown, then, after a while, they will really receive protests, and not this eternally wobbling rascal

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: hydroy

So the Russian Federation will have to decide or save Donbass in the event of a massive attack, or give it up to be devoured!

The question - “Save or Give?” Is no longer worth it, because about half a million citizens who have received Russian passports live on the territory of the LPR. There is a document called the Constitution, which states that the state guarantees the protection of its citizens, but it does not indicate what it guarantees only on its territory, and therefore, in the event of Kuev's attempt to resolve the LPR issue by force, Russia there is a full and legal right to use their aircraft to protect their citizens. A year and a half ago, the Russian Federation did not have such a right.

[Odysseus]

Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT

And the situation in Russia disposes to draw it into a war ... the standard of living is falling, protest moods are growing, it is necessary to somehow distract the population.

Strictly the opposite. The distraction of the population by a small victorious war is possible. But then when she is victorious and when she is small. The Russian Federation, on the other hand, officially recognizes the entire territory of Donbass as the territory of Ukraine and is inscribed in the world market economy as a periphery.
In this situation, how can she justify the introduction of troops into the territory of Ukraine? Moreover, without falling under really serious sanctions. What is now, it is so-stroking the fur.
In the ichtamnet format, it is only possible to repel an attack on Maidan Ukraine. And then with great losses and stories of the West about aggression against sovereign Ukraine.
So it is profitable for the West to involve the Russian Federation in the war in Donbass on such terms .. The lives of Ukrainians are not important for them. And for any result, profit.

[dSK]

Quote: Odyssey

it is beneficial for the West to involve the Russian Federation in the war in Donbass

Very cunning individuals have gathered in the Biden administration ...

[Alexey Kostyukov]

are you malnourished?

[hydro]

It looks like if they don't stop, then there will be trouble ...

[Mikle2000]

Include common sense. From the point of view of a short-term hurray of patriotic propaganda, the return of Donbass may and will give a positive effect for the Ukrainian authorities. But to take care of a devastated territory with an angry population, you need to be insane. So you need to face the truth - the residents of Donbass will suffer for another 30 years and three years, or how long the leader is going to rule there. And the one who would not replace him will stop wasting resources in this black hole and dump all the blame on the deceased, and then an interesting game of throwing this hot potato from hand to hand begins.

[iouris]

ten thousand militants seized power in Ukraine, but 100 thousand troops will not be able to? I do not think so.

[hydro]

Well, look what they came up with, a military operation - a clean-up from separatists, a clean-up of the government, then whoever wants and received a Russian passport to concentration camps or to Russia, then settling in by Ukrainians) Everything has already been registered, just waiting for big problems in Russia

[Egoza]

Quote: Mikle2000

But to take care of a devastated territory with an angry population, you need to be insane.

So who is the population angry at? To Russia? You are wrong! Russians live here too, for whom now they cannot breathe, and Ukrainians are not sweet. So figure out for a start who is angry at whom. And don't confuse Eastern and Western Ukraine

Quote: Mikle2000

Donbass residents suffer for another 30 years and three years

These are just your dreams. Donbass will answer differently!

[Mikle2000]

++++ Donbass will respond differently!

How will he answer? Just tell the scenario in which the residents of Donetsk will live better than the residents of Kharkov or Severodonetsk. Find a placer of diamonds in coal mines? Will they open a high-tech production? Will they attract investments from the West or China? Get a lot of money from Russia? How else?

[iouris]

Active hostilities will begin with an offensive on Kiev. And further down the list ...

[t-12]

I don’t understand one thing: what is stopping us from setting up a bombardment alert (so that the siren sounded BEFORE the mines fall) and placing cheap concrete shelters? Why is Israel able to do this, but the DPR and LPR are not able to?

[t-12]

Here is Gorlovka, a playground (0:45). Children swing on a swing. I don't see any shelter in the playground. And on the main street I see no shelter. The war has been going on for seven years.

[Mikle2000]

++++ Why is Israel able to do this, but the DPR and LPR are not able to?

Because the leadership of the LDNR and their curators do not care about the population. Roughly speaking, the militia is supplied with ammunition, but no body armor. There is a goal to spoil Ukraine, there is no goal to make local life better

[Rose capone]

The main thing is to have time to transport all Russian buckwheat, fuels and lubricants, aviation spare parts from the Balashikhinsky foundry-mechanical plant, helicopter blades from the Ulan-Udinsky helicopter to Ukraine and NATO. plant, coal, fuels and lubricants, diesel fuel, it. and obsessively neutralize all this with the "Vector-M" vaccine for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and NATO. I was surprised to learn that 60% of the buckwheat market in Ukraine comes from Russia. We ourselves have driven ourselves into some kind of Russophobic structures and act there as whipping boys. What is the use of the OSCE for us? We are constantly criticized there, our proposals are not accepted, and since the 90s, they have not implemented any settlements in the world. A completely senseless organization that only harms Russia. This also applies to the Council of Europe, and the ECHR and others, which included the Yeltsinists.
If in 2014 the Ukrainian Nazis were resolutely rebuffed, Mariupol was liberated, the rest of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions, then there would be no shelling of cities, and a good lesson would be taught. After all, Saakashvili was taught a lesson, although they did not complete it. It was necessary to punish him personally, then no Natsiks in Donbass would have twitched, they would have been frightened.

Such vague policies whet the aggressors' appetites and lead to poor results.
But for some reason we hold onto these organizations. What for? Probably to travel to Brussels and elsewhere, to appear at conferences. We need to think about Russia's global interests, not our own small gains.

[dSK]

Quote: Rosa Capone

Probably to go to Brussels and somewhere else

Euroshopping at public expense ...

[for]

And how does the Kremlin look at the shelling of newly minted Russians? Or they issued a passport and that's it.

[Brix]

Minsk is a reprieve for Ukraine to strengthen its own army.

All or nothing is their motto.

They do not need an independent Donbass as part of Ukraine. There should be "their" people, ideology - Ukrainian, interests - Ukrainian. All those who are undesirable - under the lock, repent and be afraid even to associate themselves with Russia.

The same is with the Crimea (well, some have dreams about ponies, some have dreams about Crimea)

80-90% of Crimeans - in the junk, shut their mouths, and find those 10% who will set the tone for the region and express the "opinions of the people." There are Crimeans with "brain Ukraine", plus those natives of Crimea who remained in Ukraine. Tatars are great. It is not for nothing that they are promoted in non-brotherhood as martyrs.

Well, about those who held weapons in their hands ... We ourselves know what they say about them.

They need Ukrainian Kharkov, Odessa, Donbass, etc. Truly Ukrainian, with a Western bias, and not what is now - "wild field", "Makhnovshchina".

According to Minsk, this is partial federalization and an opportunity to fight for one's Russian identity. And Ukraine does not want this.

PS. Ukraine signed this treaty when the Armed Forces of Ukraine ran from boiler to boiler, humiliated and bloodless, and not when the Armed Forces of Ukraine stood near Rostov or Moscow.
It was Ukraine who needed Minsk to prevent its collapse, not the militia.

But now "Minsk" Ukraine does not want, because the conditions are bad for it. Then they were acceptable, now they are not.

And then they still blather something about "the agreement with Russia is not worth the paper on which it was signed."

Yes, we see.

[three]

An absolute dead end. But the war (a permanent state of war) Ukrainian rulers need as air, otherwise in Georgia - every six months - a booze with the removal of the government.

[lopuhan2006]

Oooh !!! Again gathered to attack! Since the 14th year, the iksperdy have all promised an attack, but only there is no one and nothing. Maybe enough nightmare already.

[lopuhan2006]

Quote: tros

An absolute dead end. But the war (a permanent state of war) Ukrainian rulers need as air, otherwise in Georgia - every six months - a booze with the removal of the government.

Absolutely right! And the USA also feeds their protégés.

[Dude]

I think it started ...
It's painfully a convenient moment - everything is together here - SP-2, and Covid, and the change of power in America, and Leshenka is not poisoned ...
I think they will climb both in the Donbass and in the Crimea (in the second location, of course, nothing shines for them, but I think they can touch it)

[Kuzmitsky]

Nothing has started and is unlikely to start. Donbass does not need Ukraine at all, they only need the process itself, not the result, sluggish hostilities. So they continue to crap on the sly: first shelling of villages, then snipers are watching people, then sabotage groups are sent through the "gray zone". Kiev does not need peace or war there.

And about the Crimea - they will not climb either. But they can send saboteurs. Yes, they already did it. And, of course, they will yell from high international tribunes, demanding the return of Crimea, and demanding sanctions against Russia.

But if in Ukraine the Natsiks staged a coup, for example, Biletsky with his thugs, and seize power, then anything can begin.

[Dude]

Ukraine Donbass is not needed at all

Do not write nonsense, territory and industrial potential is needed by everyone and always.

[Kuzmitsky]

Why nonsense? Why do they need industrial potential? They have their own industrial potential, quite powerful, which is not in the Donbass, for the most part "prookhaly". And the territories are accompanied by four million of not very loyal population, which for Kiev may not be a bonus, but a serious problem. I don’t dig deeper, although you can write more than one article about this, let alone a comment.

[Dude]

Happy holiday, dear author!
Thanks for the reasoned feedback, not all authors bother to support the logic of their objections. I, as a reader, will not hide this, it is very pleasant to me
They still need industrial potential, in spite of the assets dried up in wild quantities. Moreover, it is large and liquid in the Donbass. And this is both the currency and the basis for the war with Russia (and the fact that the war is in the plans is beyond doubt, otherwise, why was this whole circus with horses started?).
People are not needed, and they don't hide it. They really need territories.
But, you rightly said that this is a huge topic, clearly not for the format of comments.
Sincerely.

[paco.soto]

Neutral opinion: I read the forum for the first time with interest. Thanks to the sober-minded commentators !!!
Incomprehensible visual attraction of the President of Ukraine.
The video is illustratively metaphorical, it came now (ya there is a subscriber of this channel) who does not understand amerikansi - I can give a translation just in case.

[Ros 56]

It is clear to any sane person.
In 14, I was very obscene when they stopped moving to the west, because I understood that everything would return to this anyway. Only time and people are wasted. It was necessary to chop off the tail of this mad Bandera dog entirely, and not in parts.