The developer called the timing of the start of serial deliveries to the troops of the T-14 "Armata"

Serial deliveries of Russian tank T-14 "Armata" troops will begin in 2022. This was announced by Andrey Terlikov, General Director - Chief Designer of the Ural Design Bureau of Transport Engineering (UKBTM, part of UVZ).

Answering a relevant question from journalists during armory exhibition IDEX-2021, Terlikov said that serial deliveries of the T-14 "Armata" tank will begin in 2022, the installation batch of tanks will go to the troops by the end of this year. Contracts for the supply of tanks with the Ministry of Defense have been concluded, the vehicle is completing state tests.

From 2022, we will enter stable serial deliveries of these machines. By the end of 2021, according to one of the contracts, the delivery of an initial batch of cars is planned

- he said, adding that UVZ intends to reduce the cost of the T-14 tank in the course of its serial production, and the real cost of the T-14 "Armata" will be determined in the third year of serial production.

Terlikov stressed that new ammunition had been developed for the tank, and Rosatom was engaged in the development. The initial batch of tanks will go to the troops with new shells.

Rosatom enterprises - the scientific elite - are engaged in the development of a new ammunition for the "Armata", a serious resource has been attracted. It is synchronized with the development of the tank, during state tests, we docked and coordinated it

- he explained.

At the end of 2020, the head of Rostec, Sergey Chemezov, announced that serial deliveries of the T-14 Armata would begin in 2021, apparently referring to the initial batch of tanks.

Earlier, some media outlets, citing the Ministry of Defense, reported that the military department signed a contract for the supply of two battalions of T-14 tanks and a battalion of BMP T-15 for military tests.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

I repeat.
About two years ago, one "activist" to me, here on the pages of VO argued that every morning he was watching a column of "armature" leave the HF gate to the landfill ...
And it's like that, Mikhalych ...

[Svetlana]

What a fine fellow you are!

[mitroha]

the real cost of the T-14 "Armata" will be determined for the third year of serial production

I wonder why our universities graduated so many economists?
Calculation of the cost for the release of different batches? - to hell, in three years and so we'll find out ...
But what about the contracts?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Mitroha

I wonder why our universities graduated so many economists?

Which each time make estimates that are repeatedly exceeded in the production process. It doesn't matter what, bridges, roads, tanks and aircraft. And they receive salaries, which, by the way, are also included in these estimates.
And as a result of these inconsistencies, no one, as always, is to blame, neither the estimators, nor the work producers who have exceeded these estimates. Although, according to the logic of things, the lack of professionalism of one of the parties is evident.

[Ross xnumx]

UVZ intends to reduce the cost of the T-14 tank in the course of its serial production, and the real cost of the T-14 Armata will be determined in the third year of serial production.

Quote: Ingvar 72

And as a result of these inconsistencies, no one is to blame, as always.

I suppose that those who invented VAT = 20% are to blame for the cost of complex equipment.
Can you imagine? How convenient it is to lower the price by simply abolishing this VAT (at least for military products).
On the whole, those who say:

Quote: Mitroha

I wonder why our universities graduated so many economists?

And it's a no brainer that over time, the release of parts, and the assembly, and the adjustment of systems will become debugged, which will affect the assembly time of one tank. To say that this will make it much cheaper? I won't. The cheapness of a product is determined primarily by the use of new (cheaper) materials in the production and the quality of components. Forgive me, but if an employee begins to produce more products, then his wages should also increase. This is likely to increase the cost of equipment depreciation, etc. etc.

[Dart2027]

Quote: ROSS 42

Forgive me, but if an employee begins to produce more products, then his wages should also increase.

It sounds logical, but at all times wholesale purchases were cheaper than piece purchases. I was never interested in the details of the process, but this is a fact.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: ROSS 42

Forgive me, but if an employee begins to produce more products, then his wages should also increase ...

The truth of life...
IF ... 1) The employee receives SALARY (fixed salary according to the TARIFF Grid) - how much "Armat" (or other products) do not produce - salary WILL NOT GROW. 2) An employee "works on a DEAL" (piecework wages at certain PRICES) - the more products you make, the lower the prices (I mean the constant significant overfulfillment of the plan. For example - you do the "monthly plan" in "one week" - the prices will be cut right away ...). As my father used to say - "Piece-ceiling salary" - THE WAGE IS WORKED, BUT ABOVE A CERTAIN CEILING (set by the bosses) IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO EARN (if that CUT PRICES).

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: cat Rusich

An employee receives a SALARY (fixed salary according to the TARIFF Grid) - how much "Armat" (or other products) does not produce - the salary WILL NOT INCREASE.

With a salary, there is an incentive system, the size of which may not be less than the salary. The salary is the minimum.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Ingvar 72

With a salary, there is an incentive system, the size of which may not be less than the salary. The salary is the minimum.

You mean the PRIZE ...
I know, I get it, the bonus is possible up to 40% (where I work) ... but it hasn't reached 40% yet. This "incentive system" is beneficial to the EMPLOYER - have money - pays the PRIZE - no money (little profit ...) - NO PRIZE (the worker is sitting on bare salary )... I have not heard about 100% bonuses, you can - give an example of an enterprise with such an award ... (and specify the working specialty or position with such an award, just for fun ...)

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: cat Rusich

I know, I get, the bonus is possible up to 40%

I know where the premiums will be higher than the salary. But I agree, this is an exception. Although the remuneration system is working, there is an incentive for the employee, and a way of punishing a lazy person. At Grudinin's state farm, in my opinion, they pay for the work.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: ROSS 42

To say that this will make it much cheaper? I won't. The cheapness of a product is determined primarily by the use of new (cheaper) materials in the production and the quality of components.

An example with the T-34 should be given or not? Over the years of its assembly, it has become more than twice cheaper for the USSR. And the quality just got better. These first thirty-fours were very raw and unreliable.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: ROSS 42

Forgive me, but if an employee begins to produce more products, then his wages should also increase.

Not necessarily.
The reasoning is this - during the period of mastering new products, the norms were not technically justified, more time was allowed for the manufacture of this or that part, for carrying out this or that operation. Now, as a result of working out all operations, the time is significantly reduced, which means that the worker's pay is reduced. It has never happened that a technically unfounded norm was lower than a technically justified one. Therefore, the worker's wages grow slightly in comparison with the growth in output. Only bonuses to the bosses are increasing.

[Wolf]

The code is new to the product in small screens, NEVER AND NO ONE CAN IMMEDIATELY REFINE THE EXACT COST of a piece!

[Ingvar 72]

It is possible, with a known number of series. One quantity - one price, lower - higher price, and vice versa. There the coefficient is calculated, and that's it. Economists all know this.

[d1m1drol]

As a doctor, I will say that the estimates that design institutes make, before they pass the examination at least 30 percent, are already in deficit, after the examination, thanks to the curved estimates, they become even smaller. At the exit, we receive estimates that are no longer relevant at prices and cannot be built on them, since the building materials market immediately rises in price with news about new construction in the region, over the past year the rental price has risen by almost 30 percent. And accordingly, when a contractor takes a contract, if he has qualified engineers and cost estimates, they shake up the project, draw up new estimates and update them for the last quarter of the year. Hence the growth of the initial estimates. Personally, I myself have passed more than one examination of new construction. And we are just optimizing the estimates in order to at least go to zero. In general, everything depends on the design institute that creates the project, and if it takes into account all the nuances, then the estimates come out pretty good and do not require re-examination. And again, if three years have passed since the issuance of those design assignments and until the moment of passing the examination ... then these estimates are in the furnace. There are also monopolists such as water utilities, heating systems .. which sometimes demand just crazy money for connecting to their networks. With the cost of the object at 30 million, they can ask for 50 million. And the administration cannot do anything, since these are private traders, and they have established tariffs that they can twist as they want. And only through long negotiations it is sometimes possible to bring down the price. In general, without knowing all this history, you can continue to be indignant that estimates for capital construction grow during construction)

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: d1m1drol

thanks to curved estimators

Yes, and such should be punished with a minimum of a ruble. The monopolist's wishes are also taken into account, the question is that the official price tag is very different from the real one. You won't grease, you won't go. But in the case of objects of state importance, monopolists should be imprisoned for such wishes, which is not done.

[Konnick]

Metal has risen in price in 2021 by one and a half times already, what a decline ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: Mitroha

Calculation of the cost price for the release of different batches?

Calculation is one thing, but practical confirmation is another. when the product begins to be produced in large series, the price decreases, but for now it is considered based on the available data.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Dart2027

when the product begins to be produced in large series, the price decreases, but for now it is considered based on the available data.

Right, but ...
How many units do you think are included in a large batch?
Sorry, but the T-14 is not a mass-produced tank. Sometimes just such a technique (with different bells and whistles, KAZs, etc. equipment) is produced to replace a dozen outdated models. In this case, the result will be much higher.
This is akin to how a tank battalion could have won a victory in the Battle of Borodino in 1812.

[Dart2027]

Quote: ROSS 42

How many units do you think are included in a large batch?

Several hundred, no less.

Quote: ROSS 42

Sorry, but the T-14 is not a mass-produced tank.

Why then? Over time, its modifications will also pass to it. It's just that the army decided not to drive horses and first squeeze the maximum out of 72 and 90.

[Simargl]

Quote: Ingvar 72

There the coefficient is calculated, and that's it. Economists all know this.

Those. economists know where and how to optimize production before mass production begins.
It is necessary to chase all the technologists and recruit economists ... but where economists rule, production usually collapses.

[Ingvar 72]

Have you ever communicated with the estimator? I have twice, and in detail. Everything is calculated, with a known cost of making one sample. And technologists are generally out of place here, no one climbs into their kitchen now.
I don’t understand you, zaputintsy - every time you loudly savor how the military budget of the Pendos is “sawed”, exceeding the costs of the same F-35, and you categorically deny the possibility of cutting it with us.
Although it is high time to understand that the military budget is "sawed" in all countries with declared democracy.

[Simargl]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Everything is calculated, with a known cost of making one sample.

Those. technologies stand still? Ask about the cost of the same AK for the history of its production.
You can calculate how much a fixed small batch will cost, but when there is continuous production, the product is being finalized, production facilities are worn out, modernized, modernized. Calculate. Especially what doesn't exist yet.

[Ingvar 72]

You did not understand - I do not deny that the cost is constantly changing, taking into account technology and the introduction of innovations, but the growth in cost in these parameters is often offset by a decrease in costs and a reduction in production costs. Read the history of the production of any weapon. The same MG-34 and MG-42, price evolution of the production of the T-34, the German Tiger.
That is, the improvements practically did not increase the price of the final product. It was not in vain that I cited as an example the capitalist countries with democracy, where "sawing" is most common.
I will repeat myself - the estimates are calculated, the coefficient is constantly changing, but in this case with Armata it is more or less stable.

[Simargl]

Quote: Ingvar 72

It was not in vain that I cited as an example the capitalist countries with democracy, where "sawing" is most common

They saw everywhere. And under socialism too.

Quote: Ingvar 72

improvements practically did not increase the price of the final product

In the absence of product improvements, production optimization can take place. Sometimes at the same time.

[nerd.su]

Quote: Simargl

They saw everywhere. And under socialism too.

Under socialism, other volumes of cut and distribution of its products. Accordingly, a different impact on the estimate.

[Simargl]

Quote: bot.su

Under socialism, other volumes of cut and distribution of its products.

You know, there was one type in Stalin's times - he organized a fake construction detachment. I even beat out awards for myself. He worked and earned good money. He built better than socialist-oriented "competitors".
So ... the cut is everywhere.

[nerd.su]

Quote: Simargl

You know, there was one type in Stalin's times - he organized a fake construction detachment.

This is a dubious story.

Modern sawing is when the budget amount is sawn in a large chain of intermediaries and a small amount reaches the performer, sawdust, on which the work is done. They also sometimes get a kickback from this amount. A saw cut under socialism, when a large amount from the budget with a minimum of intermediaries is sawn between the employees of the collective who perform the work for which this amount was allocated.

[Simargl]

Quote: bot.su

This is a dubious story.

They shot it for real.

[nerd.su]

Where do the firewood come from? Do you have copies of the verdict? Where did they first appear?
I admit that this story was, but you need to check the primary sources ...

[Simargl]

Quote: bot.su

Where is the droushka?

Pavlenko Nikolay Maksimovich

[nerd.su]

So what? I heard this story, there is a suspicion that this is an ordinary liberal stuffing. It hurts a lot of templates.
And the unanswered question - where are the firewood from? ...

[Thrifty]

Nazarii - it was a test of the 2025 time machine! Forum member visited by chance in the future

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Please tell us how you came to the amazing conclusion that since the installation batch will be available before the end of the year, in your opinion, this means that not a single car has been produced so far?
I want to try to comprehend the mental process of genius.

[figwam]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

every morning he watches the armature column leave the HF gate to the landfill

The T-14 Armata tank battalion has been tested for a long time at the training grounds, for this they were made, and this year the pilot batch will go to the troops.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Thirty-one cars? And about this QUANTITY (it's not in vain that I write this, because for the installation batch it is so) they did not report (loudly knocking themselves on the chest) to the Zvezda dispenser, manufacturer, MO? ...

[Konnick]

-Do you see the gopher?
-not
-And he is.

[Old tanker]

Really a full-time tank battalion? Allow me to clarify the primary sources?
In what part is it put on military trials?
Really very interesting.

[figwam]

Quote: Old Tankman

Really a full-time tank battalion?

The 2015 contract for the production of T-14, T-15, T-16 for experimental military operation, 132 units of equipment were planned under the contract.

In August 2018, Alexander Potapov, general director of NPK Uralvagonzavod, said at the Army-2018 forum that Uralvagonzavod had by that time produced "about 30" experimental vehicles on the Armata platform, some of which participated in the parade on Red Square and in the tests of the Ministry of Defense.

This is the year 2018!

Quote: Old Tanker

In what part is it put on military trials?

Which part I don’t know, and I don’t need to know, tanks are tested in different climatic zones

The Arctic may have to be sent to the mountains, maybe to a desert-sandy area, ”said Lieutenant General Viktor Lizvinsky, Deputy Chief of the Ground Forces, on the sidelines of the Army-2018 International Military-Technical Forum.

Were also in Syria.

[Alf]

Quote: figvam

General Director of NPK Uralvagonzavod Alexander Potapov said at the Army-2018 forum that Uralvagonzavod had produced "about 30"

How is it, about 30? THESE tanks are piece goods. At home, he also says to his wife, I was paid about a million in salaries last month?

[Old tanker]

Clear. Blah blah blah from internet articles. And then "about 30 cars on the Armata platform." How many of them are tanks, how many infantry fighting vehicles, and if there is an infantry fighting vehicle, this is no longer a battalion of tanks. Or maybe an ARV? Without any specifics. Although the MO indicates the arrival of equipment in units up to units on its portal, and VO too. And then there was a thick fog.
About the trials in Syria, except for Manturov, he did not voice this fact. Even Uralvagonzavod. And the creators would not apply it to notice.
In general, you can't see it from the sofa. But the main thing is to voice!
And there is really nothing to say.

[carstorm 11]

A column is not a column, but many people could see several cars. Depends on the place of residence) living in military camps and do not see this)

[halpat]

Quote: carstorm 11

A column is not a column, but many people could see several cars. Depends on the place of residence) living in military camps and do not see this)

that's why many have gray whiskey ahead of time ??

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Halpat

Quote: carstorm 11

A column is not a column, but many people could see several cars. Depends on the place of residence) living in military camps and do not see this)

that's why many have gray whiskey ahead of time ??

I don't know what is the condition of our hair on the temples, but from one phrase of the text

The development of a new ammunition for the "Armata" is engaged Rosatom enterprises

hair should rise and move at overseas "partners"!

[Old tanker]

It remains to add, according to Damantsev, that the tank with the new ammunition will be able to solve operational and tactical tasks. And the NATO members will definitely demolish the tower

[Hermit21]

Rosatom helps to make uranium "Vacuum-2" (or "1")

[Alf]

Quote: Starover_Z

Rosatom enterprises are developing new ammunition for "Armata"

Recalls that after the war, the development of cruise missiles was given to the Ministry of Agriculture. Apparently, it was from there that the anecdote about vertical take-off seeders began.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

that every morning he watches an armature column leaving the HF gate to the polygon

Quite possible. Serial deliveries are starting now, but something was done for trial operation, and he could well see them.

[Pereira]

Judging by the disadvantages, there are almost a platoon of such witnesses.

[Konnick]

Run, Uncle Mitya, run ... right now, the Armatov tankers will beat him with their bare hands

[Old tanker]

Deliveries of the T-14 tank (Armata tank) to the Russian army will begin during 2020. At present, almost all preparatory work has already been practically completed, which allows Uralvagonzavod to start serial production of the tank in the foreseeable future.

MOSCOW, December 7. / TASS /. Serial deliveries of the latest T-14 Armata tank to the Russian Armed Forces will begin in 2021. This was announced at a briefing on Monday by the head of the state corporation "Rostec" Sergei Chemezov

Serial deliveries of the latest T-14 "Armata" tanks to Russian troops will begin in 2022. Such terms on Sunday, February 21, were given by the developer of the machine, the general designer of the Ural Design Bureau of Transport Engineering (UKBTM, part of Uralvagonzavod) Andrey Terlikov at the IDEX-2021 exhibition.

Fresh legend, but hard to believe.
But, as they say, wait and see.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

About two years ago, one "activist" to me, here on the pages of VO argued that every morning he was watching a column of "armature" leave the HF gate to the landfill ...
And it's like that, Mikhalych ...

Properly,Leader , comrade ("activist" - according to your version) was right, talking about the column (columns) "Armat" ...

It's just that other figures (yours and without the quotes) burned and beat this "Russian plywood" back in 2014 near Novoazovsk.
True, everyone's phones were suddenly discharged. , and so i prove bulib, and yak

[halpat]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I repeat.
About two years ago, one "activist" to me, here on the pages of VO argued that every morning he was watching a column of "armature" leave the HF gate to the landfill ...
And it's like that, Mikhalych ...

Moreover, I will say! On one Kheroi resource, another ukroterminator said that in 2014 they (garn khltsi) cut 20 or 30 Armats near Ilovaisk ... and if it were not for the unexpected, downright spiteful attack of the Buryat cavalry from the rear, then ...

and nothing, everyone is alive and well

[Konstantin Gogolev]

How much is this? Installation batch. Company or platoon?

[Yura]

And read the news?

The military department signed a contract for the supply for military trials of two battalions of T-14 tanks and a battalion of BMP T-15.

[Konstantin Gogolev]

2 baht is the total number. But the Installation will probably be stuff 4.

[Konnick]

Is it some media reported, such as a factory run? Someone, here and there, somehow. You will give a complete paragraph:

Earlier, some media outlets, citing the Ministry of Defense, reported that the military department signed a contract for the supply of two battalions of T-14 tanks and a battalion of BMP T-15 for military tests.

This is from a series - and other microorganisms have also visited space.

[carstorm 11]

This was said at the Army forum in plain text. You can google it yourself. 132 cars. 18 year

[venik]

Quote: Konstantin Gogolev

How much is this? Installation batch. Company or platoon?

======
Well, sort of, as for the especially dull it was said in Russian: 2 battalions T-14 and 1 (one) BMP T-15! Those. only about hundreds cars ......
PS Installation party - produced in order to establish the REAL rates of production (including - to establish cooperation with subcontractors, etc., etc.)

[Hunter 2]

Quote: venik

PS Installation party - produced in order to establish the REAL rates of production (including - to establish cooperation with subcontractors, etc., etc.)

Vladimir They wrote absolutely right!
Once Rosatom was involved in the creation of a projectile ... perhaps the projectile will contain "depleted" uranium. It became interesting ...
It would be nice to install another 152 mm on the Armature!

[venik]

Quote: Hunter 2

I involved Rosatom in the creation of the projectile ... perhaps the projectile will contain "depleted" uranium. It became interesting ...
It would be nice to install another 152 mm on the Armature!

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Alexei! The main thing is not the caliber! The main thing is armor penetration! And here - "Armata" seems to be all right! Although, perhaps a larger caliber (with even greater efficiency!) On the "Armata" we will see!

[Old tanker]

The main thing is that this does not affect the minus of the number of shells in the ammunition load.

[venik]

Quote: Old Tanker

The main thing is that this does not affect the minus of the number of shells in the ammunition load.

========
Yes, there seems to be some kind of "tricky" ammunition rack ... Not L-shaped, as on modern tanks, but kind of vertical ... But maybe it's just rumors! At least the ammunition seems to have been announced at the level of the T-80 and T-90!

[Old tanker]

In 1982, the Soviet Army entered service with a 125-mm 3BM-29 "Nadfil-2" projectile for the 2A46 gun. Its active part was made of steel and carried a uranium alloy core.
Well, something like this. And they were even quite common among the troops. Deal with such.

[Thrifty]

Why did they not indicate that the price for T14 will be reduced over the next three years - both production and purchase for the Moscow region? ??

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Thrifty

Why did they not indicate that the price for T14 will be reduced over the next three years - both production and purchase for the Moscow region? ??

Will it be reduced? As it is doubtful. Maybe my memory, of course, lets me down, but I don’t remember that prices in Russia would go down.

[carstorm 11]

The series is always getting cheaper. Just because it's a series)

[Simon schempp]

The series is always getting cheaper. Just because it's a series)

Well, in some other country, maybe. But in Russia, where, for example, gasoline rises in price in the event of a fall in oil prices, and in the event of an increase in oil prices, I would not be so sure.

[carstorm 11]

Because the first cars are always more expensive than serial ones and decently. After all connections are established and everything on the flow, costs fall. Is it clearer?)

[Thrifty]

Alexey Kabanets -in Russian such a statement about the price reduction was made by the head of UVZ, and the "high member" of the Russian Ministry of Defense I did not come up with it, you can find it on the MO website!

[Konnick]

I remember in the 90s I was present at one tender, a representative of UVZ announced the price in dollars, he was immediately shown the door.

[alekseykabanets]

Hello Colleague

Quote: Thrifty

such a statement about the price reduction was made by the head of UVZ, and the "high member" of the Russian Ministry of Defense

It is very good if so. The troops need this tank, they drag on with it for a long time. I can't even imagine how much work, training, rem. workshops, etc.

[ximkim]

Reducing the price is a statement to warm up the public and potential buyers .. if the raw materials, components are from abroad (I think they could not have done without them), the machines in the workshops run on electricity (not from the speaker on a bicycle), but plus the service .. it is somehow doubtful price drop ,..

[Hermit21]

The first T-14, assembled by bypass technologies and in non-serial quantities, already were cheaper than many modern western tanks

[ximkim]

And what generation of these tanks?

[Hermit21]

Dumb question, but I will answer. In relation to the T-14 - the previous

[Lawyer1]

At the beginning of the last decade, 2300 Artmat were promised in all seriousness by 2020. Will there be at least half of what was promised now by 2030? A question without any sarcasm.

[Hermit21]

Not promised, count

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Lawyer1

At the beginning of the last decade, 2300 Artmat were promised in all seriousness by 2020. Will there be at least half of what was promised now by 2030? A question without any sarcasm.

Ay ... it became known about them to a wide range of people, only in 2015.

[rocket757]

From 2022 we will enter stable serial deliveries of these machines

How is there on the topic of import substitution ??? Are these COMPLETELY our cars?

[Hermit21]

Completely. You can sleep well

[carstorm 11]

All that needed to be replaced by Schwabe did.

[rocket757]

This is ours, no questions ... but they do not make electronic components, they use products produced by others.
Here the question of high-tech electronic components worries me !!! We must do our own thing, at the highest level.

[KCA]

Do you know at least one electronic equipment assembler who uses components produced in their own factories? I very much doubt that any GE or GA make SMD resistors themselves, which are cheaper than the plastic tape in which they are packed, everyone buys components in Southeast Asia or orders the manufacture of MSX from optocouplers to 16-core processors

[rocket757]

Are you suggesting that you have entered the conversation very cleverly? Alas, they know the common truths even without your "tips".

[cat Rusich]

Quote: KCA

or order the manufacture of mcx from optocouplers to 16-core processors

AMD already makes Epyc processors - 64 cores, 7 nanometers, heat dissipation of 225 watts - $ 6950 (quite cheap for this level).

[Konnick]

Contracts for the supply of tanks with the Ministry of Defense have been concluded, the vehicle is completing state tests.

And the Ministry of Defense has not yet conducted tests and what contracts can be concluded without the conclusion of the state commission ... Without me they married me ...

[Old tanker]

According to GOST, the head organization is appointed for conducting state tests.
Quote from GOST

An organization that is approved in accordance with the accepted procedure for conducting tests at the state level of the established most important types of products for industrial, technical and cultural and household purposes

What do you think for the state tests of the tank which ministry is assigned to the head? Obviously not the Ministry of Culture.

[Simon schempp]

The military department signed a contract for the supply for military trials of two battalions of T-14 tanks and a battalion of BMP T-15.

Well, of course not 2500 Armata until 2020, but also not bad.

[Bogatyrev]

And what about imported components and the quality of domestic substitutes - have you solved the problem?

[Konnick]

What are the problems, they do not have time to fly from exhibition to exhibition, everyone is trying to push their armature to someone. It's a pity that some admirers of this "Miracle" do not have money on our forum, otherwise they would have bought it, but the Ministry of Defense still scratches its turnips and keeps mum, unlike Terlikov.

[Hermit21]

Was this problem in reality? Or only in bagels from all alarmists?

[Bogatyrev]

Tell us what you know about this issue, please.

[Konnick]

Quote: Lawyer1

At the beginning of the last decade, 2300 Artmat were promised in all seriousness by 2020. Will there be at least half of what was promised now by 2030? A question without any sarcasm.

If there are 2300 pieces, then it's easier to give up right away. I can't stand another increase in the retirement age, I myself will go with a bottle of homemade napalm to burn Armada Armada

[carstorm 11]

That amount is for decades. You don't have to give up. Count a hundred a year for yourself

[Konnick]

Dap-Dap? And how much is it in rubles? Another Tukhachevsky?
A hundred a year, nothing at all ... but what to do with them, there is not enough room on Red Square.

[carstorm 11]

Don't talk nonsense, huh? What does the red square have to do with it? And even more so Tukhachevsky? This is the approximate number of machines that have been replacing old models every year for all these years.

[Konnick]

2300 armature is a trillion rubles, for reference, the entire defense budget of Russia for 2021 is 3,5 trillion.
Tukhachevsky wanted to build 100 tanks while the people were walking in bast shoes, let them go further.
Red Square is not a parking lot for stupid armored vehicles. I will repeat again - Armata was not subjected to shelling tests even with small arms.

[carstorm 11]

Where does the price come from?) And I will repeat the change from one type of equipment to another for decades) and add, do you know the procedure and schedule of tests?) What the hell is the shelling?))) Are you 50 years behind?)

[Konnick]

And why don't they shoot at tanks now?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Konnick

I'll go myself with a bottle of homemade napalm to burn Armada Armada

Have you been driving for a long time? Napalm, I mean.

[Konnick]

Military secret, otherwise they will be arrested. Right now, the time is like this, it will be necessary to go to the bakery not by taxi, but by tank ... enemies are all around. Well, now all hope is on Armat, and it is not a shame to drive up to the restaurant on it.

[hydro]

Get closer, and already a shot at you) Don't joke with Armat)

[Konnick]

he said, adding that UVZ intends to reduce the cost of the T-14 tank during its serial production, and the real cost of the T-14 Armata will be determined in the third year of serial production

Naive, neither a horse nor a cart, but has already decided on the long-term production of a devourer of the defense budget.

[Ros 56]

And the current battalion is how many pieces? There were 3 of them a platoon, a dozen of them - a company, and then something turns out a lot.

[carstorm 11]

The state has not changed) 31 units.

[bistrov.]

Quote: Ros 56

And the current battalion is how many pieces?

So far there were 31 tanks, and during the Second World War, 21 IS-2 made up a whole regiment.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Ros 56

There were 3 of them a platoon, a dozen - a company, and then something turns out a lot.

I remembered the story of Leonid Sobolev "The Battalion of Four", in childhood I often reread it.

- One sailor - a sailor, two sailors - a platoon, three sailors - a company ... How many of us? Four? .. Battalion, listen to my command: step ... arsh!

[Ros 56]

Thank you all for your answer on the number of tanks.
Quite right, he himself read it more than once as a kid, and as far as I remember, the sailor's name was Maxim Perepelitsa.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Ros 56

Maxim Perepelitsa

And the rest of Negreba, Litovchenko and Leontiev.

[Ros 56]

And today's youth only catches Pokemon and looks at square pants. They brought the country to the Oval State.

[113262a]

Terlikov said that the "Armata" cannon has a significant superiority over the armament of tanks of other countries.

"The gun on the Armata is new, this is its main distinguishing feature. The whole vehicle is built around the" cannon-projectile "system. The tank has superior weapons power. The muzzle energy of the gun is higher than that of our [foreign] colleagues," Terlikov informed.

According to him, a wide range of ammunition has been developed for the "Armata" cannon. "This is a new ammunition load, including a range of ammunition - armor-piercing sub-caliber, caliber, high-explosive fragmentation with remote detonation. Due to the weapons, we count on a significant advantage," added Terlikov. 10755907

[Alex 2020]

In 2022, they will declare that deliveries will begin in 2023 .. Every year they announce this, but things are still there .... Oh, these storytellers ... That's when it really starts to come massively to the troops, then announce.

[Konnick]

You do not understand anything, this is such a PR move. Type of advertising-out, Russians are already buying .... and you hurry up, Indians, Arabs and other Pinocchio, otherwise you won't get it.

[Alex 2020]

I already have 3 pieces. Enough for me

[CommanderDIVA]

It is interesting that Rosatom has developed ammunition for the Armata, I have not heard something about this direction of Rosatom's activity before, maybe something new-fangled has been invented?

[boris epstein]

Why reinvent the wheel? The US Army uses depleted uranium shells. In the USSR, at one time, similar ones were also developed.

[Hermit21]

Uranium OBPS help to do

[Emil mamedoff]

Today, like the opening of IDEX, and T14 should be there.
One thing is not clear, will they just show it, or already offer it for export?
That is, if there is a contract, they can immediately start production for a foreign client?
(I also wonder if the retraining will be needed by the tankers who previously controlled the T72 / T90?)

[Insurgent]

Quote: Emil Mamedoff

will they just show, or are they already offered for export?

Depends on the degree of readiness of the industry to launch mass production, regardless of the supply of imported components ...
Are you ready? There will be an answer to this question, and yours will disappear.

[Konnick]

Quote: carstorm 11

This was said at the Army forum in plain text. You can google it yourself. 132 cars. 18 year

Our constitution has already changed, it remains to change the charter taking into account the armature battalion.

[Konnick]

Quote: Emil Mamedoff

Today, like the opening of IDEX, and T14 should be there.
One thing is not clear, will they just show it, or already offer it for export?
That is, if there is a contract, they can immediately start production for a foreign client?
(I also wonder if the retraining will be needed by the tankers who previously controlled the T72 / T90?)

Here it is, Mikhalych ....
Thin PR, declare before the exhibition - and the Russian Ministry of Defense is already buying, but you may not have enough, fly in .... buy.

[Aleks tv]

If we recall the 2014-2016 year, then most of the VO commentators shouted about the "imminent" supply of Armata for service in active units. At that time there was a fashion in the media for the expression "2000 Armat in 2020 !!!".
But if you look closely at ALL the comments on the VO, then a sharp dissonance was the small opinion of the Tankers "Armata will not be in the army soon. Moreover, a quick supply of raw equipment to the troops will only do harm."
It was so? It was.
What are we seeing now? - The professionals turned out to be RIGHT.

I repeat again:
The T-14 is a CONCEPT, a complete revolution in tank building. New tank systems and new principles of interaction of these systems CANNOT WORK IMMEDIATELY WITHOUT FAILURES AND VIOLATIONS. It doesn't work that way. It takes time to confirm the laid down ideas and TTZ, check the performance of all systems and mechanisms.

If you remember well, then this project was born by the marriage of the T-95 and a promising ACS. He was born with lightning speed. In fact, Armata was tested only in 2015 !!!
...
Plus Armata is a new system of weapons, and not a tank in our usual sense.
And most importantly, Armata is primarily a PLATFORM. A single platform in a new system and technology of combat operations, on which the necessary weapons are modularly located and acting as a SINGLE COMBAT, SELF-SUFFICIENT ORGANISM. And the T-14 and T-15 are just TWO types of combat vehicles of this new system. Personally, I am alarmed that apart from them and BREM more ... they do not design anything. The "platform" as such gives:
- Unification of heavy tracked vehicles (does anyone know the headaches of an engineer-engineer battalion, which has a dozen special vehicles located at 5-7 different bases?).
- Decrease in production costs. A sharp decline.
- Effective interaction of various weapons located on vehicles with the same performance characteristics.
And much more.

Yes, the plans have been thrown down strongly, even taking into account our opinion, the opinion of Mazuta. But this has happened in our country: sanctions, a decline in oil prices and other Hrendelpupel? We have. Did this affect the plans and funding of the programs? Influenced. It's a shame. But this is an inevitable fact. Eheh.

Armata should come to the troops as a Platform. Its models in the form of T-14 and T-15 should be WITHOUT CHILD'S DISEASES. Mazuta knows what "raw technology" is - first of all ... LOSS OF EQUIPMENT OF UNITS AND UNITS.

What will please me the most? When I hear the news that in Nizhny Tagil a conveyor will be launched in the "Armatny" assembly shop. This is an ARCHISELECT economic task with the construction of the entire supply chain with subcontractors, this will be the end of a HUGE WORK that still needs to be done. Technique trials are still flowers ...
This will be the light at the end of the tunnel and the hope that everything will work out - mass production of reliable equipment for reasonable money.
.....
ps And we will fight "today" on what we have. T-72B3, T-90, BMP-2 and so on.
For a long time...
What else?
Therefore, the modernization of this technology is of paramount importance.

[Yves762]

Serial deliveries of the Russian T-14 Armata tank to the troops will begin in 2022.

Maybe it was worth "Armata" in Syria to test, like the same BMPT "Terminator"?
Or at least in the protection of Ab. Khmeimima.?.

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[zloybond]

have not done it yet, but we already offer "partners")))) !!!

[nikon7717]

Better to run in partners. At the same time, learn childhood illnesses. In different conditions, and this will reduce the cost of fine-tuning with us during the operational period

[Konnick]

So they don't really want their own

[Sands Careers General]

The right approach.
There the Yankees were releasing raw fu-35s, and there are hundreds of flaws that need to be corrected.
And they don't know what to do with them.
Run in, then release.

[DMi]

Quote: Mitroha

the real cost of the T-14 "Armata" will be determined for the third year of serial production

I wonder why our universities graduated so many economists?
Calculation of the cost for the release of different batches? - to hell, in three years and so we'll find out ...
But what about the contracts?

Economists don't know how to calculate kickbacks. And the cost of the product for the Ministry of Defense is most likely not economists who consider, but the hucksters, oh, the sales department. And there, too, they do not really know with whom they will agree to rollback