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American observer: Risks of escalation are increasing "due to the reckless behavior of Russian pilots in the sky"

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The American press indicates that the Joe Biden administration is now discussing the issue of contacts with the Russian Federation, the solution of which cannot be postponed. After deciding to extend START-3, the US administration is trying to find options to reduce the number of "contacts" in the air between the American and Russian military aviation.


American columnist Ralph Clam writes that Washington is concerned that recently the mutual number of interceptions of combat aircraft has sharply increased and continues to grow. The most dangerous directions are indicated. This airspace is near Alaska, as well as over the Baltic and Black Seas.

Ralph Clam in his article "Risky Encounters with Russia (in the Air)" writes that the Biden administration is well aware of the degree of threat. The fact is that even when performing interception or another variant of piloting combat aircraft at a high level, the risk of error is not excluded, which can lead to maximum rapid escalation. At the same time, the American press emphasizes that the risks of escalation are increasing "because of the reckless behavior of Russian pilots in the sky."

Recall that in recent years, the Pentagon has almost constantly reproached Russian military pilots for "unprofessional and unsafe" behavior, for example, during an interception. And now Biden decided to discuss the question of how the risks of such a plan can be minimized.

I wonder if the advisers to the President of the United States are considering the simplest option - to reduce the number of flights of American fighters, strategic bombers and reconnaissance aircraft near the air borders of Russia? Indeed, precisely in the event of a decrease in the number of provocations on the American side, the number of air meetings with Russian pilots, who are accused in the United States of being "reckless", would automatically decrease.

The American observer reminds that between Russia and NATO countries, including the United States, there are emergency channels to prevent incidents in the air. And at the same time, Clam adds that the United States "has little confidence in Russia due to misinformation on its part." But Russia's confidence in the United States, apparently, should remain at a high level ... Despite endless sanctions and Washington's attempts to interfere in internal Russian affairs.
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  1. cniza
    cniza 21 February 2021 13: 43
    +29
    This airspace is near Alaska, as well as over the Baltic and Black Seas.


    Well, everything is clear about Alaska, but in the Baltic and in the Black Sea you forgot that ...
    1. Mitroha
      Mitroha 21 February 2021 13: 45
      +30
      To minimize risks, simply - do not fly near our borders, do not provoke our aerospace forces.
      Wish from me personally - sit in your amerigas
      1. cniza
        cniza 21 February 2021 14: 02
        +14
        Quote: Mitroha
        To minimize risks, simply - do not fly near our borders, do not provoke our aerospace forces.


        They consider the whole world a zone of their interests, it's time to fix them and everything will fall into place ...
        1. Mitroha
          Mitroha 21 February 2021 14: 35
          +9
          Humpback, as they say ... Until you give it a slap, they won't understand ..
          1. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z 21 February 2021 14: 59
            +12
            Quote: Mitroha
            Humpback, as they say ... Until you give it a slap, they won't understand ..

            They won't even get a slap on the head! They did not fight on their territory with foreign invaders, did not lose or conquer territories! And their civilians were not chased by foreign soldiers!
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 21 February 2021 18: 15
              +2
              "Reckless behavior" is well understood and feared. wink
          2. cniza
            cniza 21 February 2021 16: 59
            +3
            Quote: Mitroha
            Humpback, as they say ... Until you give it a slap, they won't understand ..


            Yes, they will never understand otherwise, they respect only strength ...
          3. zenion
            zenion 22 February 2021 22: 03
            +2
            Mitroha (Alex). The American proposal and what you suggested about the humpback is great. There is an anecdote on this point. Abram comes home from work and sees a stranger in bed with his wife. He brought him to the site and kicked him in the ass and he flew. Abram comes home from work and sees a young, unfamiliar guy with his wife, his arm in a cast. He pulled him out again and let him down the stairs. Abram comes from work and next to him lies the same guy and two hands in a cast. He dropped it again. Abram comes home from work, and next to his wife lies a guy with his hands in a cast and legs in a cast. Abram says to him - listen, I broke your arms and legs, and you again climb to my wife ?! The guy replies - he would say that this is your wife, and you are all in hints, yes in hints! So it is with the Americans, they do not understand the hints.
        2. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 21 February 2021 14: 40
          +4
          Everything is as usual and usual: "The risks of escalation are increasing due to the reckless behavior of Russian pilots in the sky!" The Americans are trying to find options for reducing the number of interception contacts and increasing the security of American intelligence officers. But the option of reducing reconnaissance flights Americans near Russian borders are not even considered!
        3. Torins
          Torins 22 February 2021 18: 34
          +1
          Moreover, the moon is also a zone of interests, a little more and the entire galaxy will be declared a zone of interests ...
          1. cniza
            cniza 22 February 2021 21: 07
            +2
            In my opinion, they have already announced and everyone silently agrees, except for Russia and China ...
      2. ironic
        ironic 21 February 2021 17: 50
        -22%
        Why can't they fly outside the borders of the Russian Federation? Don't the RFs fly near the borders of other NATO Mr., but outside them?
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 22 February 2021 06: 36
          +5
          ironic (Sasha)
          Yesterday, 17: 50
          NEW

          -11%
          Why can't they fly outside the borders of the Russian Federation? Don't the RFs fly near the borders of other NATO Mr., but outside them?
          another stupid reasoning)) tongue
          1. ironic
            ironic 22 February 2021 11: 57
            -7
            Another stupid reasoning about someone's stupidity. Start with yourself. Write smart. Well, at least one for your whole pagon.negative
            1. altar
              altar 23 February 2021 13: 13
              +2
              stupidity you say. if you do not cover the air defense aircraft, they will not be in a moment. when swans fly to Venezuela, they already make a howl all over the world. they have nothing else to do but howl. I want to bite, but point press press
              1. ironic
                ironic 23 February 2021 15: 18
                -3
                And who said that it is not necessary? Did you come up with it yourself and argue with yourself?

                The political positions of discontent are voiced in such cases by many countries and the Russian Federation is no exception.
                How do you imagine biting? They fly in neutral airspace. Raise escort planes along the way. And what is wrong?
      3. Simon
        Simon 22 February 2021 10: 52
        0
        But better, don't get up from your airfields at all!
    2. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 21 February 2021 13: 57
      +13
      hi
      Quote: cniza
      everything is clear about Alaska, but in the Baltic and in the Black Sea you have forgotten ...

      For some reason they still modestly kept silent about the Russian North - what should they do there ..
      In general, it is time to give the Vasily Tsymbal Pilot Club an official status and a badge with the right to wear on the uniform
      1. cniza
        cniza 21 February 2021 14: 03
        +8
        They consider themselves "exceptional", their interests are around the world, so the time has come to direct them on the right path ...

        hi
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 21 February 2021 14: 12
          +10
          They are an emphasis ... otye and will not turn from their WAY. They have no such thing as a stopcock ... only gas!
          1. stalki
            stalki 21 February 2021 14: 57
            +6
            They are an emphasis ... otye and will not turn from their WAY. They have no such thing as a stopcock ... only gas!
            Well, sometimes there are poles on the road. Will meet sooner or later wink
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 21 February 2021 15: 05
              +4
              It is logical to install pillars, fences and other capital ... maybe the number of stuffed cones will turn into an understanding that with such a capital it is more expensive to butt.
              1. stalki
                stalki 21 February 2021 15: 14
                +5
                It is logical to install pillars, fences and other capital ... maybe the number of stuffed cones will turn into an understanding that with such a capital it is more expensive to butt.
                Exactly. Which is likely to happen. Then they will really forget again what and how. But we will recall everything to the smallest details. Every time we refresh their memory. They arrive.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 21 February 2021 15: 32
                  +3
                  They will forget, no doubt. Each new administration believes that they are different and they will have everything differently ....
          2. cniza
            cniza 21 February 2021 17: 00
            +5
            Quote: rocket757
            They are an emphasis ... otye and will not turn from their WAY. They have no such thing as a stopcock ... only gas!


            Let them throttle against the wall, since they don't understand otherwise ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 21 February 2021 18: 06
              +3
              Apparently, the new chapter is thinking about ... the eternal and does not seek to take too wide steps! Here is his .... replacement / substitution, "miracle woman", it may turn out that it will be worse than a dragon!
              We'll see.
              1. cniza
                cniza 21 February 2021 18: 11
                +5
                All will be clear soon, but while they are still celebrating their victory over Trump ...
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 21 February 2021 18: 32
                  +3
                  They have no time for victories, if that .... a whole lump of problems and the famous "100 days of love" the new president will not see! It's your own fault.
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 21 February 2021 18: 37
                    +4
                    There are even more problems than we see, but they believe that all the power is now behind them ...
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 21 February 2021 19: 18
                      +2
                      They can't even do fifty / fifty! There are many hesitant and Trump, for the next elections, the chances of losing / winning are the same !!!
                      This is what the dermocrats will drive on rash actions !!!
                      1. cniza
                        cniza 21 February 2021 21: 01
                        +3
                        We have already talked about this more than once, but I would really not want serious shocks, from the word at all ...
                      2. rocket757
                        rocket757 21 February 2021 21: 25
                        +3
                        It so happens that the world is somewhat quieter when it shakes in the striping, inside! Moreover, very few people, now, are ready to share the troubles along with striping and otrykivayutsya as they can.
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 21 February 2021 14: 27
      +15
      Quote: Pete Mitchell
      In general, it is time to give the Vasily Tsymbal Pilot Club an official status and a badge with the right to wear on the uniform

      Great idea !!! good
      But I propose to hand over the sign only after spraying fuel on the deck of a thread of Avik ... well, Burke at worst! yes
      Actually, I had a proposal for a long time: to go to the dryer in front of the KS-135 course and, for 30 seconds, turn on the fuel discharge from the PTB ...
      Interesting: would they grind such a shower at the 135th dvigun, or would they still catch fire !?
      And then one could admit Sushka's "problems with the fuel system" and express regret ... for diplomatic feedback ... Well, as it usually happens. bully
      AHA.
      1. ironic
        ironic 21 February 2021 17: 47
        -19%
        Do you want to start a war with the United States?
        1. Simon
          Simon 22 February 2021 10: 54
          +2
          Not! The United States is constantly waging an ideological war with us!
          1. ironic
            ironic 22 February 2021 12: 36
            -5
            Ideological wars are not a battlefield where people die.
    4. ironic
      ironic 21 February 2021 17: 59
      -17%
      They are there to work with their military partners in the NATO bloc.

      It could have ended with the crash of both planes and the death of people.
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 21 February 2021 19: 32
        +8
        If you haven't noticed, then the period forgiveness ended. Us partners can turn the other cheek, keep Vaseline at the ready - your right. Our right to support "Club named after Vasily Tsymbal"
        1. ironic
          ironic 21 February 2021 20: 58
          -13%
          I am afraid that Americans and Europeans, spoiled by perestroika times, are slowly, reluctantly and painfully, but are rebuilding back into a club for organizing the prevention of free amateurishness of adherents of cymbalism and they have the means for this, they just really shrink to spend them as intended, but this will also pass ...
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 21 February 2021 21: 08
            +7
            You are more modest with expressions - for us, Vasily Tsymbal is a person who did everything right, albeit unintentionally. Helicopter, R-3, you can find fault with whatever you want, but for us this is a memory of a Man: choose expressions.
            Let me offer you another option
            Quote: ironic
            it's just that they really want to spend them as intended, but this will also pass.
            when they stop huddlemay think about the expediency of such tricks. This is also a waste of the budget, moreover, pointless.
            1. ironic
              ironic 21 February 2021 21: 52
              -17%
              Vasily Tsymbal on the Su-27 made actions according to the classification close to the ramming of a military aircraft R-3C in neutral airspace, which can be equated with an attack in peacetime. And these are the expressions that deserve his de jure action. And de facto, these were non-statutory actions, and they also misinformed their direct superiors, which could lead to unpredictable consequences.

              They will eventually adjust their budgets and support their planes too. What will happen when a collision of fighters occurs in the air and the pilots on both sides are killed, it would be better if we did not see it, but if we see it, we will know what will happen.
              1. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 21 February 2021 22: 31
                +4
                Quote: ironic
                Vasily Tsymbal on the Su-27 allowed actions according to the classification close to a ram ... and misinformed his direct superiors, which could lead to unpredictable consequences.

                Do you know why it happened? Are you familiar with the initial conditions?
                But about the misinformation of the authorities is not necessary. Maybe in those two armies where you served this is normal; but Tsymbal did not do this, why is it so well presented in the end - this is not a question for him.
                1. ironic
                  ironic 21 February 2021 22: 42
                  -8
                  I'm familiar with what can be read in the public domain, but today there is a lot of things in the public domain. One of the armies in which I served is the SA. You also need to be careful with expressions.
                  And he kind of reported everything as it is, but the authorities decided to cover up their ass and concocted a legend, but then what about the fact that the Norwegian photos were needed for some reason as proof? The type bosses did not know who was flying the plane?
                  1. Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell 21 February 2021 23: 01
                    +4
                    And to the SA I am with respect by definition.
                    Maybe the bourgeois comrades have inflated this topic? It was not customary for us to lie to the Commander while standing in front of the damaged aircraft. The fact that Shevardnadze visited Norway and he was slipped a cassette with a recording - this is let the high authorities figure out who was proving what to whom. For the commission, all this was not a secret, Andreev was a smart guy - he looked at Tastor's record from RUDs and understood everything - they did what the historical moment required ...
                    1. Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell 21 February 2021 23: 04
                      +4
                      Satisfy your curiosity: why, in the Israeli army, the rules have changed a long time ago: they didn’t seem to have awarded officer ranks to those who were not born in the Promised Land?
                    2. ironic
                      ironic 21 February 2021 23: 19
                      -6
                      No, these are not bourgeois comrades. It is easily found on the Internet on the Internet and on the domains of the Russian Federation. No tapes with a record were slipped. When we announced that we do not know about anything like that, we showed pictures of the aircraft with the tail number and the pilot from a distance when it was impossible to confuse.
                    3. Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell 21 February 2021 23: 41
                      +4
                      Well, pictures in flight international? I don't remember the content of the article itself. In Spring '89, Tsymbal has yet to see this article. While the top warriors were deciding how to blur everything and quietly kicked Tsymbal out of flight work, Shevardnadze in Norway showed a recording of the interception ...
                      On the territory of the RSFSR, this issue came with blank pages, and in other places it was sold with photographs
                    4. ironic
                      ironic 22 February 2021 12: 18
                      -3
                      Personal certificates of servicemen:

                      / / /
                      At that time I was serving in 941 IAP. "Preventing border violations" is an official task. But in reality that Orion flew not so much for reconnaissance as to mark the nuclear submarine that was on duty with radio beacons - the depths are so small, and the submarines had to go on the surface. No matter how Vasya tried not to let Orion go to the submarine, he rushed to her with the stubbornness of a maniac. Then Vasya decided to cover the boat with his "body" - he crawled under Orion and stood strictly under it. Orion's pilots lost the Su-27 Tsimbala, unsuccessfully maneuvering the propeller hooked the tip of the keel. Orion's engine stopped, propeller fragments also punctured its fuselage, and Orion turned it away. But after 3 minutes he screamed to the whole world "attacked by a Soviet Su-27 fighter, received combat damage." By the evening, the first information "from above" came, by the morning the regiment of the aircraft with tail number 36 was gone, aircraft 38 appeared instead, and changes were made to all the documentation, and not only the tail number was "redrawn". And on the third day, with a penalty, he left for Krymsk and Tsimbal.
                      / / /
                    5. Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell 22 February 2021 12: 25
                      +3
                      I apologize wildly, but I use the story of Vasily Tsymbal himself - fate gave such a chance: about the helicopter, and about the R-3, and about further events ... something like that. He was transferred to Krymsk after his reinstatement in the party, on command from the top, which happened about a year later.
                    6. ironic
                      ironic 22 February 2021 13: 32
                      -4
                      He is an interested person, so it is not a sin to listen to the stories of those around him.
                    7. Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell 22 February 2021 13: 41
                      +3
                      It made no sense for him to hang up noodles, it was easier to say that he was busy. And to listen to this, of course, any luck of relatives has darkness ... Your belief that the Internet does not lie just touches me. I recommend - also listen to the Marietta crew, they also know Tsymbal.
                    8. ironic
                      ironic 23 February 2021 17: 01
                      -1
                      The Internet does not lie, people on the Internet lie. But not all, someone is lying, and someone is not. They write about him that he was so easy on everything, let's say. Who knows what of what he said, he took it lightly.
                    9. Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell 23 February 2021 17: 45
                      +3
                      Of course, you know better from the promised land and everything is clear.
                      I can’t understand why you are on this site? Is it such a perverted form of self-satisfaction to find fault with everything related to the Union / RF? Well, a fair wind ...
                    10. ironic
                      ironic 23 February 2021 18: 31
                      0
                      From the outside, a lot is seen differently.

                      Well, is everything straight? I like your Yars rocket very much. The smartest project that could be thought of in addition to Topol-M. Iskander there. Good project.

                      What for? I served in the SA. Military equipment is one of my hobbies.

                      The issue that was discussed here does not concern the military equipment of the Russian Federation. And I never said that everything was bad in the USSR. There was good too. You twist.
  • Simon
    Simon 22 February 2021 11: 04
    +3
    [quote] [/ quote] Vasily Tsymbal on the Su-27 made actions according to classification close to the ram of a military aircraft P-3C in neutral airspace, which can be equated with an attack in peacetime [quote] [quote] - And what! Was the battering ram produced? If not, then there is nothing to fly near our borders! This is a warning to you!
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 22 February 2021 11: 33
      +2
      Quote: Simon
      Quote: ironic
      Vasily Tsymbal on the Su-27 allowed actions according to the classification close to ramming a military aircraft R-3C in neutral airspace, which can be equated with an attack in peacetime
      - What! Was the battering ram produced?

      It's so nice to make the Soviet pilots look bloodthirsty and merciless, as it sounds: rammed a peaceful NATO spy - can you imagine what thoughts settle in the memory of those who read it. The Union's mistake was that it was all classified - it was necessary to cover it in full and make the film.
      Tsymbal had no intention of ramming Orion - it just happened. According to him, he did not even immediately notice the damage to his plane, and only then he realized why he saw the stopping propeller of the 4th engine looking over his left shoulder.
      Quote: Simon
      there is nothing to fly near our borders!
    2. ironic
      ironic 22 February 2021 12: 23
      -4
      This collision occurred due to the abnormal convergence of aircraft, purposeful, initiated by the Su-27 pilot. In fact, the collision is a ram. You can fly in neutral airspace, and Russian aviation also flies at the borders of other cities. This is not a warning, this is an attack.
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 22 February 2021 13: 10
        +4
        Quote: ironic
        In fact, the collision is a ram. You can fly in neutral airspace, and Russian aviation also flies near the borders of other g-tv
        And where have the VKS scouts recently been spotted and how much? How to compare?
        I understand that the conversation is reaching a dead end and you really want the chance to be indicated by a loud word deliberate ram.
        Quote: Pete Mitchell
        If you haven't noticed, then the period forgiveness ended. Us partners can turn the other cheek, keep Vaseline at the ready - your right. Our right to support "Club named after Vasily Tsymbal"
        1. ironic
          ironic 22 February 2021 13: 28
          -4
          In 2020, NATO aviation needed to conduct about 350 sorties to escort Russian aviation flying in the immediate vicinity of the alliance's borders. Cymbal's actions were deliberate, but the ram was not deliberate, however, failure to understand the high degree of danger of such an outcome is criminal negligence and it is entirely on his conscience. And yes, this is a dead end, there is nothing more to add to this. Recently, such actions are not isolated and the concern of the NATO leadership is justified.
        2. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 22 February 2021 13: 43
          +3
          You just like the definition ram? Ramming is still a deliberate action
  • Sarboz
    Sarboz 21 February 2021 23: 09
    +1
    I propose to admit to the Vasily Tsymbal Pilot Club the Chinese comrades Wang Wei (posthumously) and Zhao Yu for the April 1, 2001 incident with the American ER-3E reconnaissance aircraft.
    1. ironic
      ironic 22 February 2021 12: 34
      -7
      A stupidity that cost him his life and could cost the lives of many more people, but worst of all, could cause a military conflict from scratch. Those. this is criminal stupidity.
      1. Sarboz
        Sarboz 22 February 2021 13: 10
        +2
        An American reconnaissance aircraft pilot flew into Chinese airspace, following orders from his command. When carrying out this provocation, the Americans were sure that no one would dare to enter into direct opposition with them. Therefore, only a dangerous rapprochement could somehow force them to turn back and leave the airspace of the PRC. When carrying out a dangerous maneuver, the Chinese pilot made a fatal mistake, but at the cost of his life he carried out the order of his command and forced the violators to terminate their reconnaissance mission. The lead pilot forced the Americans to land at a Chinese airfield. Thus, the American spy plane was detained and studied by Chinese specialists. The flights of reconnaissance aircraft near the Chinese border were stopped for a long time.
        Americans understand only when they are hit on the nose, slightly to sober up. The blame for this incident lies entirely with the American side. A non-Chinese pilot flew into US airspace.
        The Chinese leadership still showed generosity by releasing the crew, but they could have imprisoned all 24 people for a long time for espionage.
        1. ironic
          ironic 22 February 2021 13: 21
          -6
          The American plane was 130 km from Hainan. Chinese pilots made several such dangerous encounters a week before the tragedy. To justify this disgrace, the Chinese political elite fabricated a legend about the violation of the border, which was actually violated after the collision, when the crew of the plane had to fight for their lives, getting it out of the fall, and then submit to the threat of the second plane forcing them to land. The Chinese pilot repeated the dangerous maneuver three times until he made a mistake and hit the propeller. Flights were actually stopped for some time, but not for a long time, for a month, and were resumed by 135 reconnaissance officers and along the same route. Thus, these were pointless sacrifices. And the Americans continued to do what they did.
          1. Sarboz
            Sarboz 22 February 2021 13: 36
            +2
            Quote: ironic
            Thus, these were pointless sacrifices. And the Americans continued to do what they did.

            Nothing goes unnoticed. The number of incidents will grow into quality. The Americans will not have time to come to their senses as they will lose their undivided superiority in the air and at sea. In addition, the psychological factor is important. In those short minutes, the American crew realized that A. Americans are not immortal, B. Americans are not omnipotent, and S. Chinese are not savage barbarians and did not take revenge on the direct executors for the death of their comrade, although they had a moral right.
            1. ironic
              ironic 22 February 2021 13: 45
              -6
              If, yes, if only, mushrooms grew in the mouth. From when this happens, we will discuss it. Another attempt to portray Americans as Zadornov's characters? Otherwise, they did not survive Korea, Vietnam and did not know that there are losses and how it happens. Just the slave did something wildly. He asked for permission to destroy the damaged plane, which began to fall, but was ordered to land. The Americans would have had the moral right to shoot down Chinese fighters, but the scout had no defensive weapons and there was no escort nearby. And if there were a cannon turret on it, like on Bears, it would be a legal action to fire a second gun from it when trying to plant it.
              1. Sarboz
                Sarboz 22 February 2021 14: 12
                0
                Quote: ironic
                The Americans would have had the moral right to shoot down Chinese fighters, but the scout had no defensive weapons and there was no escort nearby. And if there were a cannon turret on it, as on the Bears, it would be a legal action to fire a second gun from it when trying to land.

                It is precisely with such a development of events that the Americans would definitely be afraid to use weapons. A fighter would certainly have shot them down. Americans are not heroes and would always prefer to be captured than to die for their homeland.
                1. ironic
                  ironic 22 February 2021 18: 52
                  -2
                  Maybe he shot down, or maybe he would not have had time to aim the plane at such critically small distances, deploy the turret at such a distance and it is easier and faster than performing an aiming maneuver with the body.
                  Well, yes. Heroes are only on the first page of the newspaper Pravda. How could I forget!
                  1. 3danimal
                    3danimal 23 February 2021 01: 23
                    0
                    "Slow down", with the help of the NSC (HMDS), aim and launch the AIM-9x is a good option for the pilot. And it will take very little time.
                  2. ironic
                    ironic 23 February 2021 16: 38
                    -1
                    Were there systems for launching air-to-air missiles from such aircraft?
                  3. 3danimal
                    3danimal 23 February 2021 21: 20
                    -1
                    This possibility was considered.
                    But I meant a fighter. Instead of staying at close range and using the cannon, zoom it up a bit and roast a large plane with a rocket.
                  4. ironic
                    ironic 23 February 2021 21: 51
                    +1
                    A fighter being next to a large aircraft takes some time to move away from a larger aircraft and aim at it. A turret on a large aircraft can be deployed very quickly and unexpectedly.
                  5. 3danimal
                    3danimal 24 February 2021 02: 16
                    +1
                    A fighter can go into a "spiral" along the course of a large aircraft by firing an additional airbrake. A second - and the distance is already 500+ m.
                    (I did this in DCS, though without the threat of fire smile )
                    The gun has its own restrictions on the speed of the turn and the angles of fire request
                    In general, if the pilot of a fighter notices the beginning of the movement of the turret, he may be out of its reach.
                    And the "big guy" is doomed ..
                  6. ironic
                    ironic 24 February 2021 14: 52
                    +1
                    Well, everything in battle always depends primarily on the skill of the soldier. And the weapon is only a means to an end in his hands. Those who are more professional in their weapons and the tactics of their use will most likely win the battle.
      2. 3danimal
        3danimal 22 February 2021 22: 02
        -1
        Americans are not heroes and would always prefer to be captured than to die for their homeland

        I would say that they take care of their people and prefer to spend expensive equipment instead of them.
        Our military and leadership do not always manage to understand this (after all, people are cheaper request )
        What about these?
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 22 February 2021 22: 48
          +4
          There is no longer that love, if only he will lay down his soul for his friends St. Luke Krymsky.
          Of course, honor called these two. They also make mistakes in planning, they are people.
        2. Sarboz
          Sarboz 23 February 2021 14: 14
          +1
          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          They also make mistakes in planning, they are people.

          I have a feeling that combat exits without special military cover is a common practice among the Stars and Stripes. When raid after raid passes without active opposition, vigilance is dulled.
        3. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 23 February 2021 17: 52
          +6
          Planning is a serious science and practice sometimes fails, there are often limitations, and no one will cancel the task ...
          You seem familiar not by hearsay
          Quote: Sarboz
          In the operational group of the Main Directorate of the KGB of the USSR, this was always understood .... These are not legends, any border guard who has passed through Afghanistan will confirm this.

          Happy holiday drinks
        4. Sarboz
          Sarboz 24 February 2021 11: 11
          +1
          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          You seem familiar not by hearsay

          Yes, it was. And mistakes happened, unfortunately. War is like war.
          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          Happy holiday

          Thank you, and you with the last holiday.
  • Sarboz
    Sarboz 23 February 2021 13: 29
    +2
    Quote: 3danimal
    What about these?

    Any nation certainly has worthy warriors. Patriotism in America is actually at its best. With this, they have a much better deal than in Russia in the 90s. I meant a little different.

    Quote: 3danimal
    I would say that they take care of their people and prefer to spend expensive equipment instead of them.

    An extremely unfortunate example. Just in Mogadishu, in my opinion, the combat raid was planned absolutely mediocre. Our command in Afghanistan would have received a full program for such negligence with the appropriate organizational conclusions. Heads would fly.

    Quote: 3danimal
    Our military and leadership do not always manage to understand this (after all, people are cheaper)

    The operative group of the Main Directorate of the Internal Affairs of the KGB of the USSR has always understood this. I remember with warmth General of the Army Matrosov, Lieutenant General Zgersky, Colonel Reznichenko. Our command has always made sure that the operations were carried out without losses as much as possible. We took care of the life of every soldier. These are not legends, any border guard who has passed through Afghanistan will confirm this.
  • ironic
    ironic 23 February 2021 16: 54
    -2
    No, you probably ate something. The Americans prefer only captivity.
  • 3danimal
    3danimal 23 February 2021 21: 41
    0
    The operative group of the Main Directorate of the Internal Affairs of the KGB of the USSR has always understood this. I remember with warmth General of the Army Matrosov, Lieutenant General Zgersky, Colonel Reznichenko. Our command has always made sure that the operations were carried out without losses as much as possible. We took care of the life of every soldier.

    I meant MO and Pasha-Mercedes (as an example) request
  • ironic
    ironic 23 February 2021 22: 03
    0
    I liked this one:
    / / /
    Grachev, through Colonel-General Matvey Burlakov, who commanded the troops that were being withdrawn from Germany, it is not clear how he bought those ill-fated cars. True, not for myself, but for office needs.
    Colonel Igor Konashenkov
    / / /

    I can't say if it was (always cared) really in Afghanistan. But neither in the elimination zone, nor outside of it in 86-87 was it even close. I saw it with my own eyes.
  • Sarboz
    Sarboz 24 February 2021 11: 39
    0
    Quote: 3danimal
    I meant MO and Pasha-Mercedes (as an example)

    Of course, there were enough movers and careerists. But in the Ministry of Defense and the task force of the 40th Army, most of the officers were worthy. Army General Varennikov often led joint operations with our special forces. His attitude toward soldiers was by no means a consumable. Namely, Varennikov was engaged in Chernobyl. But the ironic knows better.
  • ironic
    ironic 23 February 2021 16: 53
    -2
    The heroes are not from the newspaper Pravda. According to Sarboz, there are no such people.
  • Sarboz
    Sarboz 22 February 2021 14: 18
    +2
    Quote: ironic
    Thus, these were pointless sacrifices.

    And you also forgot that although the Chinese returned the plane to the Americans, they first studied all the equipment in detail. Therefore, the Americans and the aircraft used had to be replaced. The Chinese did everything right.
    1. ironic
      ironic 22 February 2021 18: 58
      -3
      Well, yes, they studied, but this is already a consequence of their attack. Well, that's all right, they paid with the life of one Chinese, there are too many of them, it was necessary to lower the demography just, why pity one Chinese life for a whole scout ... But if the entire crew of the scout had died, the situation here could have turned out differently ...
      1. Sarboz
        Sarboz 22 February 2021 21: 56
        +2
        Quote: ironic
        Well, yes, they studied, but this is already a consequence of their attack

        This is a consequence of American arrogance. They themselves tested their fate, checking when the Chinese will break their Eastern patience.
        Quote: ironic
        Well, yes, everything is correct, they paid with the life of one Chinese, there are too many of them, it was necessary to lower the demography just, why should one regret one Chinese life for a whole intelligence officer ...

        Wang Wei chose his own destiny, giving his life for his homeland. Pilots are generally a separate caste, romantics. You cannot understand this. Or you are also piloting a fighter in your free time from everyday Internet sessions. I won't be surprised.
        Quote: ironic
        But if the entire crew of the scout had died, the situation would have turned out differently.

        And what would your curators do? Oh, I'll guess now. Would China be attacked as Iraq? Desert Storm? Never after WWII did the Americans fight an enemy that they would not surpass in power at least once in 100. They will not be able to fight with an equal.
        1. ironic
          ironic 22 February 2021 22: 09
          -4
          Or maybe the Chinese, who considers it normal to attack an aircraft in neutral airspace?

          No, I do not fly, the maximum of my personal aerobatics in the army was an armored patrol jeep. But the Chinese pilot chose his fate by ramming the plane into neutral airspace. This is not heroism, this is a crime.

          My curators? Are you arguing with me or trying to hurt me? As the Americans say, "I'm too old for this shit."
          For example, they would simply inflict an air strike or an attack by a nuclear-powered submarine on the corresponding airfield. And what would the Chinese do? Would you like to fight back? Oh well. This would only be expected.
          1. Sarboz
            Sarboz 22 February 2021 22: 38
            +1
            Quote: ironic
            My curators? Are you arguing with me or trying to hurt me?

            Yes you. I usually just make fun of trolls. Do you really think that your baby talk may be of interest to me.
            Think about how you can relate to a person who positions himself as an adult with a solid life experience, who is beating windmills on the Internet all day.
          2. ironic
            ironic 22 February 2021 23: 01
            -3
            Well, you are also an arrogant type. Fight here with each of my posts, but I have something for windmills and uninteresting third? And what the third is? Who else is Troll after that. Ok windmill under the nickname Sarboz. You can continue to gain momentum. I'm not bothering you.
          3. Sarboz
            Sarboz 23 February 2021 10: 38
            +1
            Quote: ironic
            Well, you are also an arrogant type. Fight here with each of my posts, but I have something for windmills and uninteresting third?

            Not arrogant, but pragmatic. I save precious minutes of my life. By and large, your posts are not interesting to me. And I refute only your comments with openly false information about the losses of the Soviet contingent in Afghanistan. As for the Chinese pilots, you yourself sparked a controversy with me (stuck).
            What is the point of further communication on the topic of OKSVA losses 1979-1989, if we have indicated our positions and further dozens of comments about the same thing. I ask you to refer to the documents, and you procrastinate the same short quote from a professor of gynecology and pediatrics. From everything that you write here, I realized that you are my ideological enemy, so I see no reason to play by your rules. You do not answer my questions, but you repeat the same thing every time. So I will close further discussion on this topic.
            My data is confirmed by the archives of the Ministry of Defense and the FSB of Russia. None of the serious researchers in the world refutes these data. And with fantastic numbers of over 60000 dead, only dissidents and pseudo-scientific marginals like you, frozen in the 90s, are still running around.
          4. ironic
            ironic 23 February 2021 16: 36
            -3
            Yeah, of course, you don't save anything. And you cannot refute it, you are a fanatical believer. And where does it hang on? My face is only my face, and yours is yours. I would not like not to answer, but you want to. You need it, not the fallen Afghans or Chinese pilots. The gray stamp of impersonality does not need to be turned on, this is a mediocre action. So you, besides the officialdom of the Soviet, did not give any evidence, just as you did not read the professor's work in full and did not go through his articles according to the references, and there are more than interesting referents. I consider only those whom I meet on the battlefield as enemies, and all your ideological opponents are enemies. Full-length KGB remnant of the Iron Curtain.
            But people who have not lost their conscience rush about with this semi-official lie, and why is the Western officialdom in no hurry to refute, because Afghanistan and their income with the arrival does not converge, including politically and historically, so they are silent neutral in the polemics between post-KGB officialdom and never ceased to reject the systemic clichés of propaganda.
          5. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 23 February 2021 18: 33
            +4
            Quote: Sarboz
            the data is confirmed by the archives of the Ministry of Defense and the FSB of Russia. None of the serious researchers in the world refutes these data. And with fantastic numbers over 60000 dead, only dissidents and pseudo-scientific marginals like you, frozen in the 90s, are still running around.

            Why are you so not tolerant? lol it is not accepted with them, after all, it is necessary, after all, like on the Internet, well, so that it is glamorous and ... Although he claims that he already served in two armies, like experience
            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            from the promised land of course everything is more visible and everything is clear. I can't understand why you are on this site? Is it such a perverse form of self-gratification to find fault with everything connected with the Union / RF? Well, a fair wind ...
          6. Sarboz
            Sarboz 24 February 2021 11: 19
            +1
            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            I can't understand why you are on this site? Is it such a perverted form of self-satisfaction to find fault with everything connected with the Union / RF?

            I also hinted to him about it. Does not understand. Stubborn on two points: all Russian anti-Semites, Americans are always right.
            Quote: Sarboz
            For a long time there is no Soviet "concentration camp" in which you were all kept in a slavish humiliated subordinate state, for a long time you have been happily living in your independent states, but these Russian barbarians continue to cross the borders, through firewalls on the Internet, get you everywhere, climb on forums where free people communicate in their native Hebrew, Ukrainian, Lithuanian, Estonian, Latvian. These Russians in a foreign territory arrange "srach", inculcate racism, anti-Semitism, homophobia, alien to democracy. Having lost their shame, Russians, it’s scary to think, dare to write seditious thoughts about BIG BROTHER !!!
          7. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 24 February 2021 11: 43
            +4
            Quote: Sarboz
            I hinted to him too

            Everyone who saw the collapse of the Union left incredibly and the choice was not easy for everyone, but to carry outright nonsense about the beginning of the Second World War, losses "across the river", aka to represent yourself intellectualand everyone else stamped with propaganda - brute force
          8. Sarboz
            Sarboz 24 February 2021 16: 26
            +1
            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            Everyone who saw the collapse of the Union left incredibly and the choice was not easy for everyone, but to carry outright nonsense ...

            I agree with you. It left us all decently. And we lost comrades-in-arms after the war, in fact, dozens of times more than there in Afghanistan. There was something to embitter the whole world from. Therefore, Gorbachev, Yeltsin and Chubais with the company are worse for me than war criminals.
            But this comrade is just some kind of fanatic. Sitting at the computer for hours in order to irritate people with their well-formed worldview with their crazy ideas. Why waste so much time that you can spend on communication with your children and loved ones? I’m rather ready to understand if this is just a troll, if for this work he is paid a pitiful 30 pieces of silver. But he then claims that he is a real person, wise over the years. Well then, it's just some kind of mental disorder. What can I say, it's sympathetic.
          9. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 24 February 2021 16: 38
            +4
            Quote: Sarboz
            What can I say, it's sympathetic.

            Yes, and God is with him, inspired by the "creations" of the rezuns, and something else will come to mind. Or maybe he just overheated in the sun - it's almost overhead there.
            As the Maestro said there - we will live
          10. Sarboz
            Sarboz 25 February 2021 12: 50
            +1
            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            As the Maestro said there - we will live

            Yes, you can’t say better.
  • Siberian54
    Siberian54 23 February 2021 07: 10
    +1
    As long as I remember this event, the Americans resumed flights, but already at a safe distance from the border .. The crew and the reconnaissance aircraft itself are much more expensive than a standard interceptor, for the information obtained during the survey and partial disassembly of the reconnaissance it is not a pity to put a dozen fighters.
  • Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 22 February 2021 13: 17
    +2
    Quote: Sarboz
    I propose to admit to the Vasily Tsymbal Pilot Club the Chinese comrades Wang Wei (posthumously) and Zhao Yu for the April 1, 2001 incident with the American ER-3E reconnaissance aircraft.
    I think they have their own there Club and I hope they do not secret information, but make it publicly available, presenting it as a worthy act.
    Quote: ironic
    Stupidity that cost him his life and could cost ...
    It's stupidity climb with your samovar where you were not invited and you have no direct interests. Leave the arguments about freedom of navigation and flights for those who are not very cold: there is a whole Eastern Europe, the Baltic States with 404s.
    You claim that you served - does it seem normal to you? Or have you never studied science and history?
    1. Sarboz
      Sarboz 22 February 2021 13: 39
      +1
      Quote: Pete Mitchell
      I think they have their own Club there and I hope they do not secret information, but make it publicly available, presenting it as a worthy act.

      Yes, the deceased pilot and his comrade became national heroes.
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 22 February 2021 13: 58
        +3
        Quote: Sarboz
        the deceased pilot and his comrade became national heroes.

        A very correct attitude. The Union's mistake was that they concealed such information. Therefore, now there are so many myths about any more or less significant event.
        1. ironic
          ironic 22 February 2021 22: 19
          -3
          No, there weren't stupid people in the USSR. They understood that from a political point of view, this could bring negative results.
      2. ironic
        ironic 22 February 2021 22: 18
        -3
        And co-sostvennoe air terrorists and villains outside their borders.
    2. ironic
      ironic 22 February 2021 22: 16
      -4
      And they were invited. There are gentlemen who understand that without the presence of the United States, they can easily become the target of Chinese claims. I did not just serve, but in the armies of two g-tv. Aircraft and naval presence in areas where your influence is critical is common practice. And when they try to squeeze you out according to the principle - whoever has nerves tremble and is the first to press the trigger, he is a villain, it is very fraught with someone's nerves trembling. People are all different.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 21 February 2021 14: 13
    0
    And, our pilots on American combat aircraft fly near our own borders, literally "tightly" ??? belay am
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 21 February 2021 15: 49
      +4
      Excuse me, who flew whom? belay
  • RealPilot
    RealPilot 21 February 2021 23: 53
    0
    Well, sending their pilots on a FOOT erotic trip would be impolite. They don't walk, they fly!
    And Biden himself is cruel ... He is already "crawling".

    So it remains to wish them good luck and send them to train at airbases in Nevada and Alabama ...
  • 1536
    1536 21 February 2021 13: 46
    +6
    It would be necessary to clarify in whose sky? If Russian pilots of scheduled civil aircraft fly in the US sky incorrectly, then there seems to be ICAO - the International Civil Aviation Organization - to analyze their flights. If American painful aircraft fly in the airspace directly adjacent to the airspace of Russia, then they have absolutely nothing to do there and let them say thank you that the times of the Cold War are gone ...
    If Americans, by the simplicity of their soul, consider the entire Earth to be theirs, then let them come and clean the snow on the street under the windows of my house. Everyone will thank them for such care.
    1. seregatara1969
      seregatara1969 21 February 2021 14: 21
      +6
      this is our sky over our country. good or bad is the homeland of our children
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 21 February 2021 13: 48
    +6
    So, because it is not possible to fly at our borders) I have not heard of the evil Russians who constantly make risky maneuvers near the state borders
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 21 February 2021 13: 52
    +10
    And the American voter will eat it. We are so white and fluffy, we bring democracy to the whole world, we fart with butterflies, bomb with cakes. And then angry Russians on their smoky rumbling planes, knock the wings of their dirty planes on the cockpits of our angel pilots. 90 out of 100 think so. 9 will say where is the state of Russia. And only one will say: What the hell are we doing there!
  • paul3390
    paul3390 21 February 2021 13: 57
    +15
    There is an old story, I can't vouch for the truth ..

    In the early 1950s, on the orders of the commander of the air defense of the Baltic Military District, Colonel Shinkarenko, a Swedish reconnaissance aircraft was shot down. During the analysis of the incident in the Soviet government, a proposal was made to give Colonel Shinkarenko to a tribunal, which was withdrawn after Stalin's question: "So how do you want to punish Major General Shinkarenko?"
    1. iouris
      iouris 21 February 2021 15: 11
      +6
      so Stalin ...
      retired gma shinkarenko was an advisor to the head of the Riga VVAIU them. Yakov Alksnis (it was in Russia)
    2. Nikon OConor
      Nikon OConor 21 February 2021 16: 40
      +5
      Thank. I love stories on similar topics.
      Here's more:
      From the front Iosif Vissarionich received many complaints and matches. Matches of poor quality did not light in the wind or frost.
      At the next meeting of the People's Commissars, the Leader sat in silence, decided to light his pipe, struck the first match, did not light, the second, the third ... He looked at the People's Commissar of Light Industry.
      He immediately: "Joseph Vissarionovich will be corrected!"
      Since then, matches have been lit at the front the first time))
      (The story is not literal, but as I remember it) hi
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 21 February 2021 16: 52
        -1
        Yeah ... These are not annual promises to keep prices and tariffs from rising ..
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 21 February 2021 13: 59
    +4
    And you would fly a striped forest with your statements.
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 21 February 2021 14: 01
    +4
    Recently, I see a tendency for the West to worry about sanctions and further relations with Russia. smile
    It seems that they are gradually coming to understand that they cannot take our country unceremoniously and will inevitably have to take into account Russia's interests. Let's see what will happen next.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 21 February 2021 14: 27
      +1
      They will take into account-check how much it can be clamped by sanctions. And to reconsider and again democracy will triumph. They are only interested in money and not in incidents in the air.
      1. Nikon OConor
        Nikon OConor 21 February 2021 16: 49
        +4
        "The empire exists as long as its last legionnaire is alive" (c). And there are many more of us ...
        1. Nikon OConor
          Nikon OConor 21 February 2021 17: 04
          +1
          I will give an example:
          2014, Crimea was squeezed, the Union of Veterans distributes free vacation vouchers to their own (autumn). To everyone who is capable and participated behind the river. My father went to visit, and met a lot of people there, with whom he had never hoped before, empty hotels and sanatoriums were filled with veterans (not disabled), it was late autumn, they did not swim already.
          The country called its veteran legionnaires, you never know what could happen, and here the fighting men are eating vodka by their side. And my father said that everyone understood perfectly well that they were told why they would rest there ...
    2. Sayan
      Sayan 21 February 2021 15: 16
      +2
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Recently, I see a tendency for the West to worry about sanctions and further relations with Russia. smile
      It seems that they are gradually coming to understand that they cannot take our country unceremoniously and will inevitably have to take into account Russia's interests. Let's see what will happen next.

      Yes, two times they understood this, so they are pumping different anal-bulk there ... though they did a little fuss with sisyan, they sealed it in a prison ... it's a pity not for long ... but they will continue work in this direction, don't go to grandma
  • Andrea
    Andrea 21 February 2021 14: 04
    +4
    what However, the binomial of Newton, why the number of interceptions is growing. Why is this?
    But airplanes are half the trouble, much more dangerous is the arrogance of the ovs combined with stupidity and unprofessionalism at sea.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 21 February 2021 14: 21
      +7
      Well, there is nothing strange here ... they are looking for the borderline of our country's turning point ... for some reason it seems to them that they can introduce a little more sanctions, introduce even more military exercises, carry out even more provocations near our borders and Russia will break down. Silly hopes.
  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 21 February 2021 14: 10
    +6
    Scientists have found that most of the diseases of modern humans stem from disorders of the nervous system, so it is unhealthy to express concern. By the way, this applies to everyone, not just the Pentagon. Our Lavrov has recently turned down on his face precisely because of the constant expression of concern, which is a pity. As for the Pentagon, I will not be original, the solution is simple, fly over the expanses of your native Oklahoma region, and there will be no reason for concern, the wrinkles on your forehead will be smoothed out - and you will forget to put validol in your pocket every morning, and every morning will start not with concern, but how it says in the advertisement - with slight relief.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 21 February 2021 14: 10
    +3
    are trying to find ways to reduce the number of "contacts" in the air between the American and Russian military aircraft.

    Here's how to answer that fool ??
    Just say that they would not fly near our borders and where they were definitely not invited !!!
    1. ironic
      ironic 21 February 2021 18: 02
      -7
      Scouts will always fly at the borders of a friend's arcs without an invitation, and fighters will watch out for violation of those. This does not change flight safety.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 21 February 2021 18: 29
        +4
        Then there are NO questions, have arrived, shovel ... ours do not write, if that.
        1. ironic
          ironic 21 February 2021 19: 13
          -9
          And they have questions. Doesn't contradict. In a neutral space, shaking is a high chance of casus belli, not writing yours is not a big deal. And Zadornov considered the Americans stupid ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 21 February 2021 19: 42
            +5
            Zadorny had his own opinion ... now this cannot be changed.
  • antivirus
    antivirus 21 February 2021 14: 24
    -8
    Once again glad for anonymous articles. While the military is encrypted, they are not journalists and it is not necessary to believe them. There was no such article among the Americans. And there is no VO site. One grandmother said in two.
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 21 February 2021 21: 58
      +1
      Quote: antivirus
      Once again glad for anonymous articles.

      Do not consider it a work, a very interesting reading https://warontherocks.com/2021/02/risky-encounters-with-russia-time-to-talk-about-real-deconfliction/
  • askort154
    askort154 21 February 2021 14: 27
    +7
    Escalation risks are increasing "due to the reckless behavior of Russian pilots in the sky"

    The "Observer" omitted a small detail - "near their borders"!
    "Reckless behavior" is characteristic not only of Russian pilots, but of the entire Russian people, who "recklessly" expelled from their territory: Karl, Napoleon, Hitler. Anglo-Saxons, you remember that, so just grind your teeth.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 21 February 2021 14: 44
    -4
    Probably in America, they also laugh at the publications of our journalists (especially when (the objector) has nothing to do and has to write).
  • Alexander Zima
    Alexander Zima 21 February 2021 14: 48
    -2
    LTSSSSSSSSSIIMMSSS
  • Alexander Zima
    Alexander Zima 21 February 2021 14: 50
    0
    .myrkm tedub yöleb yöndops otch kat ... iknechved ytyanog tudub orox hee
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 21 February 2021 18: 09
      -1
      Quote: Alexander Zima
      .myrkm tedub yöleb yöndops otch kat ... iknechved ytyanog tudub orox hee

      !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      udub i i (yastirovog as yasmeavysipdop and kyak mivats: usorp itsolim ot, yuitsamrofni yunzelop startachulop onenemervondo and mu otavorinert mozarbo mikat onseretni mav ilsE
  • Dzungar
    Dzungar 21 February 2021 14: 57
    +7
    Nonsense from the series "Russia approached the borders of NATO" .....
    1. ironic
      ironic 21 February 2021 18: 03
      -8
      Russia does not need to do this on purpose due to its natural size.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 22 February 2021 06: 41
        -1
        ironic (Sasha)
        Yesterday, 18: 03
        NEW

        -5
        Russia does not need to do this on purpose due to its natural size.
        Is this free advice? without snotty we know what to do. You are there with your rusty iron cumpol laughing understand, and do not poke your advice into the affairs of other states.
        1. ironic
          ironic 22 February 2021 12: 06
          -1
          Statement of fact. Oh yes, I forgot, you don't know what it is. The level of nervous activity did not reach. fool If everything is without snotty, then what will you do? request Drowning in snot idle? With kumpol, I’m doing better than yours, at least I have it. And the dome is dealt with by those who are supposed to do it. Unlike you, I do not climb, I only express my opinion, but you, again, do not understand this. You do not have such functionality in memory space, when you try to call, the function falls out with a pointer to zero. wassat
  • Sayan
    Sayan 21 February 2021 15: 08
    +3
    Don't fly - you go fast - they'll carry you quietly. Replace the two words "you are going fast" with "you will fly close" and answer officially laughing
    1. ironic
      ironic 21 February 2021 18: 06
      -9
      Should this be understood as a call for the start of hostilities for a flight in neutral airspace?
  • NF68
    NF68 21 February 2021 16: 13
    +4
    Do not climb to the borders of Russia and you will not risk it.
    1. ironic
      ironic 21 February 2021 18: 04
      -10%
      But Russia flies along the borders of NATO countries and along Alaska.
      1. NF68
        NF68 21 February 2021 19: 30
        +4
        Quote: ironic
        But Russia flies along the borders of NATO countries and along Alaska.


        It is not Russia that is flying, but Russian planes. The number of these flights by Russian and NATO aircraft varies greatly. Not in favor of Russia.
        1. ironic
          ironic 21 February 2021 20: 50
          -5
          Well, probably because Russia has fewer planes. For the largest country in the world, <800 fighters and fighter-bombers with a shotgun is really not enough.
      2. 3danimal
        3danimal 21 February 2021 19: 35
        +3
        You don't understand, these are exclusively peaceful flights smile
        1. ironic
          ironic 21 February 2021 20: 52
          -8
          This is partially true in both directions, but many VO users match this picture perfectly, which is not so often found in the English-speaking Internet sector.
          1. aszzz888
            aszzz888 22 February 2021 06: 43
            0
            ironic (Sasha)
            Yesterday, 20: 52
            NEW

            -4
            This is partially true in both directions, but many users on VO
            Get off the field, not home. angry
            1. ironic
              ironic 22 February 2021 12: 09
              -2
              It's not up to you to decide. Bore. negative
  • Joker62
    Joker62 21 February 2021 16: 22
    0
    Quote: cniza
    This airspace is near Alaska, as well as over the Baltic and Black Seas.


    Well, everything is clear about Alaska, but in the Baltic and in the Black Sea you forgot that ...

    They beguiled by the shores ... sclerosis, however, like Biden's, only tough ...
  • Gray-haired Zinnik
    Gray-haired Zinnik 21 February 2021 18: 19
    +1
    If NATO pilots are instructed to wear diapers, then the risks are not so dire. Better not to fly where you might be at risk.
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 21 February 2021 19: 28
      0
      Interesting observation:
      Pilots and sailors need diapers, but boxers and UFC fighters don't
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  • 3danimal
    3danimal 21 February 2021 19: 38
    0
    Clam adds that the US has "little confidence in Russia due to misinformation on its part."

    And here I would like to be more detailed: what are we talking about?
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 February 2021 19: 39
    +3
    Footage of the interception of the American MQ-30 Reaper drone by the Russian SU-9
  • Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 21 February 2021 21: 57
    +2
    The Omerikanny obzevatel forgot to say that the Yankees had forgotten over the Baltic and Black Seas.

    Don't fly, and you will be happy. And they stubbornly stick their head into the lion's mouth.
  • shinobi
    shinobi 22 February 2021 04: 14
    +2
    For me, an indicator is the phrase of one of theirs colonel (I didn’t remember what his last name was, for a long time) in the 90- “It pisses me off that besides us Americans, in general, someone else flies!” Impudent and boors should be beaten in different parts of the body with heavy objects, for they do not perceive any other language.
  • stels_07
    stels_07 22 February 2021 09: 53
    -1
    In the air, our Assam does not need to fix obstacles, but flights over the village of Cook are not needed; if they shoot down with regular means or MANPADS, will we stop buying tomatoes? And the point is to reveal our capabilities, tea is not war
  • kava61
    kava61 25 February 2021 16: 23
    0
    Recklessness is those who fly and climb to our border, not the recklessness of our pilots.