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Correction of mistakes: An-26 landing with one inoperative engine was completed in Ukraine

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Based on the training aviation brigades in the Kharkov region took place the first flights this year, in which the command staff and pilot-instructors of the military unit took part. Among other things, they conducted a series of exercises on the An-26Sh military transport aircraft in adverse weather conditions.


This was reported by the Ukrainian edition "ArmyInform".

In connection with the plane crash of this model aircraft last year in Ukraine, as a result of which the cadets and teachers of the Kharkiv National Air Force University were killed, the pilots completed the landing of the An-26 with one engine inoperative. They landed the plane, simulating engine failure. It was sort of a bug fix.

Also, Ukrainian aviators carried out training flights on L-39 Albatross combat training aircraft and Mi-8 multipurpose helicopters.

This year we began the practice of command flights, during which we improved our flying skills and improved the skills of the command staff in organizing, conducting and supporting flights.

- noted the deputy commander of the military unit for flight training, Lieutenant Colonel Roman Kutsenko.

It is on the basis of this unit that the cadets of the Ivan Kozhedub KhNUVS are trained. Here, on September 26, 2020, during an An-26Sh training flight, one of the aircraft's engines failed, which led to a plane crash. Several high-ranking representatives of the Ministry of Defense and the Armed Forces of Ukraine received disciplinary sanctions.

In Ukraine itself, commenting on the new An-26 trainings, they note that it is necessary not only to train landing on one engine, but also to figure out where the huge funds go, which Kiev, as it says, spends on defense and military-technical development.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 17 February 2021 13: 23
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    Several high-ranking representatives of the Ministry of Defense and the Armed Forces of Ukraine received disciplinary sanctions.
    Well, it is harsh, they are children, in the sense of thinking. repeat
    1. Finches
      Finches 17 February 2021 13: 34
      -7
      Come on, "work on the mistakes" - they had one engine really failed, and so, in order not to get another zrada, they repainted it for the public in a way ... Like, "and the city thought the trainings were coming!" laughing
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 17 February 2021 14: 00
        +8
        Quote: Finches
        Come on, "work on the mistakes" - they had one engine really failed, and so, in order not to get another zrada, they repainted it for the public in a way ... Like, "and the city thought the trainings were coming!"

        Zyablitsev, you are really delusional, such exercises are always and everywhere regularly held. Our transport workers stood with the AN-26, carried out regular flights and almost always did this exercise. They turned off one engine, touched the runway, and went into a circle, it was in the mid-90s, 2 - 3 times a month, and even more often the transport workers carried out flights. An article about nothing, a completely ordinary event.
        1. Finches
          Finches 17 February 2021 14: 07
          -4
          You know, I didn't ask you how I should react to news from Ukraine - seriously or joking! To be honest, I generally don't care what they worked out there and how ... I perceive Ukraine as an American gasket, which, for the sake of the overseas owners, unleashed a war against its own Russian-speaking population, literally and figuratively, and became an enemy of Russia - so I will release caustic and, even, humiliating remarks of this territory and all its antics, if I consider it appropriate! But any negative statements about Ukraine today are appropriate, because there is nothing good there!
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 17 February 2021 14: 23
            +2
            Quote: Finches
            I perceive Ukraine as an American pad

            And you try to separate the fascist-Bandera Ukrainian government from the Ukrainian people. Not everyone there welcomes this fascist regime.
            1. Finches
              Finches 17 February 2021 14: 24
              -5
              Those who really do not welcome are within the borders of the LPNR! Everything else is from the evil one. Even if we simply take such an indicator as the rating of candidates for the presidency of Ukraine, if the elections were held now (data from the end of January): 1st place Zelensky, 2nd place Poroshenko, 3rd place Tymoshenko ... 7 Yatsenyuk, 9 Tyagnibok, then Klyuchko ... Medvedchuk, Boyko and Shariy got in between them ... with such a position! The question is who in Ukraine does not welcome the fascist regime - where are they ??
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 17 February 2021 14: 46
                +3
                Quote: Finches
                The question is who in Ukraine does not welcome the fascist regime - where are they ??

                They sit in burrows.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 17 February 2021 14: 48
                  -3
                  No, your bus comes to take them to the construction site! laughing
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 17 February 2021 15: 06
                    0
                    Quote: Finches
                    No, your bus comes to take them to the construction site!

                    No, they themselves came by Kiev-Tallinn message. Well, I distributed them among the owners, put them on the bus, and go ahead with songs (only in Russian).
              2. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 17 February 2021 14: 50
                +2
                Quote: Finches
                Those who really do not welcome are within the borders of the LPNR! Everything else is from the evil one.

                Well, yes, they abandon their apartments, work, take their children in an armful, and everyone goes to the LPNR. Is that how you imagine it?
                1. Finches
                  Finches 17 February 2021 14: 53
                  -4
                  I have no idea - but the fact remains that the whole of Ukraine, all of its inhabitants have systematically walked all 30 years of their alleged independence - they supported the Maidans, the gradual whipping up of Russophobia, etc. Crimea did not accept this ideology, part of the Donbass did not accept, but this already happened at the time of exacerbation! The rest have resigned themselves and live! Tomorrow they will be called to the Armed Forces of Ukraine and they will obediently shoot at the Russian people ...
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 17 February 2021 14: 58
                    +3
                    Quote: Finches
                    all of Ukraine, all of its inhabitants walked steadily throughout the 30 years of their alleged independence

                    Remember the referendum on the preservation of the USSR and stop writing nonsense. It was clear there that no one wanted any independence, maybe except for the Baltic states. And that these gathered in Belovezhskaya Pushcha and divided everything, you still support their successors, together with their liberal economic reforms.
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 17 February 2021 15: 10
                      -2
                      And what does the referendum have to do with it ?? Then they threw not only Ukraine, but everyone - nevertheless, Belarus did not fall under the Anglo-Saxons and did not elevate Russophobia to the rank of political ideology, the same Kazakhstan ... So everyone is responsible for their actions!
                      1. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 17 February 2021 15: 21
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                        Quote: Finches
                        And what does the referendum have to do with it ??

                        Here to this
                        Quote: Finches
                        to this all Ukraine, all its inhabitants systematically walked all 30 years of their alleged independence

                        Quote: Finches
                        Belarus did not fall under the Anglo-Saxons and did not elevate Russophobia to the rank of political ideology

                        For this, many thanks to Lukashenka, who is regularly criticized here for "multi-vector". It didn't work out with such leaders in Ukraine.
                      2. Finches
                        Finches 17 February 2021 15: 30
                        -2
                        In general, let's dwell on the fact that today's Ukraine is the enemy of Russia! And we will live with this awareness! hi
                      3. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 17 February 2021 15: 47
                        +2
                        Quote: Finches
                        In general, let's dwell on the fact that today's Ukraine is the enemy of Russia! And we will live with this awareness!

                        I will add, the state of Ukraine, but not the Ukrainian people. You just need to change the leadership of the state of Ukraine to a pro-Russian one, although this, of course, is not at all easy.))))))
                      4. Finches
                        Finches 17 February 2021 15: 49
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                        You can support the GDP in this, it also considers the Ukrainian people fraternal, but I will remain with my opinion - at this point in time, this is the enemy of the Russian people!
                      5. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 17 February 2021 20: 53
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                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        You just need to change the leadership of the state of Ukraine to a pro-Russian one,

                        But Bandera, as they were and will remain, the Nazis as they were and will remain. The youth disfigured by Nazi propaganda, who are not 15 years old, will not go anywhere either, and they already have children. I don’t know who remained pro-Russian in Ukraine, except for pensioners.
                      6. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 17 February 2021 22: 02
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                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        Young people mutilated by Nazi propaganda, who are not 15 years old, will also not go anywhere.

                        If only young people, my aunt, born in 1944 lives near Zaporozhye, so she absolutely sincerely believes that Russia is at war with Ukraine in Donbas and it is absolutely impossible to convince her. The TV does its job.
                      7. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 18 February 2021 08: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        If only young people, my aunt, born in 1944 lives near Zaporozhye, so she absolutely sincerely believes that Russia is at war in Donbas with Ukraine

                        I also wrote about this, but received only mockery in response.
                      8. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 18 February 2021 09: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        I also wrote about this, but received only mockery in response.

                        So the same TV, it works the same for us and for them. The propaganda lines, of course, are different, but the principle of action is the same. Take a look at the topic: https://topwar.ru/180076-evropejskij-sud-po-pravam-cheloveka-prizval-rossiju-nemedlenno-osvobodit-navalnogo.html#comment-id-11243250
                        I have not seen such massive dense ignorance for a long time.
        2. Thorvlobnor IV
          Thorvlobnor IV 17 February 2021 17: 33
          +3
          It seems not too ancient history, but they began to forget the sequence of events. Let me remind you: The Declaration of State Sovereignty of the RSFSR was adopted on 12.06.90 (Ukraine adopted a similar document a month later than Russia, and before Russia it was made by Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Azerbaijan); All-Union referendum on the preservation of the USSR was held on 17.03.91; attempted coup d'etat in the USSR - 19.08.91/20/1991 (before the coup, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Georgia, Armenia declared independence); and on August XNUMX, XNUMX, a new union treaty was to be signed, transforming the USSR into a decentralized federation. The signing was thwarted by a putsch, the rest of the republics proclaimed independence, and then there were the Belovezhsky agreements.
          Why am I? Nails into the coffin of the USSR began to be driven much earlier than Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich gathered in the forest. Russia, and then Ukraine, wanted sovereignty, following the Baltics and Azerbaijan, which called into question the supremacy of union legislation in these republics.
          1. Finches
            Finches 17 February 2021 20: 55
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            The chronology is absolutely correct!
  2. Looking for
    Looking for 17 February 2021 16: 37
    +1
    Interestingly, have you watched at least one broadcast of the recently closed OPPOSITION channels? You should have watched, then they would not have asked where those who do not welcome the fascist regime.
    1. Finches
      Finches 17 February 2021 16: 40
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      I also watch Sharia, but more for my own amusement, I like how he constantly insults the clown Zelensky! laughing And what's the point! Nationalists and Anglo-Saxon gaskets calmly rule in Ukraine, which means that everyone supports them - this is a fact! Three channels were closed, so what? And silence! So everyone is happy with everything!
      1. Looking for
        Looking for 17 February 2021 16: 52
        +3
        I will give you only ONE example-and how many anti-fascist demonstrations were in the same Germany in the period 1933-1945-name at least ONE. !!! In today's Ukraine, you can’t namitingueh much. they will also be accused of high treason.
        1. Finches
          Finches 17 February 2021 16: 53
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          I repeat once again - all of Ukraine has been deliberately moving towards this for 30 years ... In a single impulse!
  3. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 17 February 2021 20: 53
    +1
    Guys ... you know the catch phrase, if you hate, then you have lost ... and by this: we treat the "hohland" as an inevitable evil, that is, it is. And to your emotions, find the application that you received ...
    1. Finches
      Finches 17 February 2021 20: 56
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      hi So I have no hatred for the Ukrainian people, and my attitude towards the Jews is squeamish!
      1. Shiva83483
        Shiva83483 17 February 2021 20: 59
        +1
        In this I agree with you, for the one who betrayed once, will betray more than once ... and between the others, it was not thirty years that "these" went to this, but since the reunification in 1654 .... Vygovsky, Mazepa, Skoropadsky, Grushevsky, and so on .. so why moan now? they themselves did not finalize, and now we have the result. henceforth, science will, with the Jews have nothing to do ... from the word at all
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 17 February 2021 14: 45
    +1
    Quote: Finches
    You know, I didn't ask you how I should react to news from Ukraine - seriously or joking!

    And if it's a joke, then the non-brothers decided, because of the economy of fuel and resources, to fly on one engine, today right, tomorrow left.
    1. Finches
      Finches 17 February 2021 14: 47
      -2
      Yes, this is really the case! laughing
  • lucul
    lucul 17 February 2021 13: 26
    +2
    It is on the basis of this unit that the cadets of the Ivan Kozhedub KhNUVS are trained.

    Have you changed it to Stepan Bandera's name yet? ))))
    Underworked)))
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 17 February 2021 13: 47
      +1
      Published minutes of party meetings (Kozhedub is a member of the All-Union Communist Party?) They will quickly refuse everything. And kharkiv will be renamed Bandera, their helmsman and venerable navigator of the Letokov school
    2. 210ox
      210ox 17 February 2021 14: 40
      0
      The bright name of the Hero of the Soviet Union (and more than once) is dishonored. Where is "decommunization"?
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 February 2021 14: 49
      -2
      Quote: lucul
      Have you changed it to Stepan Bandera's name yet? ))))
      Underperforming

      It's not over yet, they will change without a doubt. Frost and insanity grows stronger in the yard.
  • akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 17 February 2021 13: 49
    +2
    Dublin, it's funny ... From Soviet times to the present. time, the entire flight of military aviation constantly, according to the KBP (Combat Training Course) IA, SHA, KDA and others, with regularity in "a couple of months" works out a practical landing with IOD (imitation of engine failure). And only puppies full of reason, so as not to bool, not "yak among the klyaty Muscovites" meant such a practice of actions in the "mansion".
    In the first half of the 90s, these yntylekhts even managed to rewrite the Su-27 RLE (Flight Operation Manual) "for themselves", i.e. the procedure for operating the cockpit fittings from launch to ... do it your way. And the fact that technology does not care deeply, that a stream of urine nailed into the zhovto / blakitny brain and the iron works, as the designer invented, and not as the Banderzyana verse wrote - it did not come right away, for almost a year they mocked the materiel, how they did not kill - I don’t know. The life of the non-Sumerians put it in a raskoryaku, I had to use a swallow on the "Moscow" RLE.
    An example is not fictitious, 93-94gg, 62 IAP of the air defense of the country 404 Belbek (Sevastopol), the regiment to the collapse of the Union had just begun to receive equipment from KNAAPO, the newest Sushki produced in the union, 32nd series. After 5 years, the materiel was sold to Africa, leaving the oldest Su-27 of the 3rd series in Mirgorod, which is still in use today.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 17 February 2021 14: 12
      +1
      Quote: akarfoxhound
      Dublin, it's funny ... From Soviet times to the present. time, the entire flight of military aviation constantly, according to the KBP (Combat Training Course) IA, SHA, KDA and others, with regularity in "a couple of months" works out a practical landing with IOD (imitation of engine failure).

      always has been.
    2. Vovk
      Vovk 17 February 2021 15: 08
      -3
      Quote: akarfoxhound

      in the first half of the 90s they even managed to rewrite the RLE (Flight Operations Manual) of the Su-27 "for themselves", i.e. the procedure for operating the cockpit fittings from launch to ... do it your way.

      You told an interesting tale, in 1998-2001 I had the opportunity to compare the flight operation manuals of the Soviet and Ukrainian times of the 2000s for the SU-27 and SU-24 technicians ... and so the correspondence there was 100%.
      Quote: akarfoxhound
      After 5 years, the materiel was sold to Africa.

      Name at least one country in Africa where SU-27s from Ukraine were operated? Do you understand the difference in the climate for aircraft technology between Ukraine and Africa?
      1. akarfoxhound
        akarfoxhound 17 February 2021 15: 34
        +3
        Ethiopia okay?
      2. akarfoxhound
        akarfoxhound 17 February 2021 17: 00
        +2
        Ethiopia "for Africa" ​​suit? is the first
        And second, did you compare the leadership in the 2000s? And now carefully re-read what I wrote "in time" and that the ukrodyp iron still won wink
        In 1991 - 62 iap retrained and re-equipped 1 ae, 3ae left for Savasleika, materiel in a state of "on the way", 2ae continued to fly on the Su-15TM and - the collapse of the union. New materiel for only one ae. They flew halfway until 97, and the flight control at the beginning of the Nezalezhnosti simply and tyno was not. But there was a shuza of the command, led by an eccentric with the letter M (who handed over the regiment to Ukraine, but subsequently did not receive dividends) that the RLE should be "purely Ukrainian." We practiced masochism for almost a year and ended up happily, then they used a normal RLE. There are only a few boards left in Ukraine, one of them is the infamous "spark", which buried a lot of people at the show. I am communicating with you here - not to measure the household, with personal communication it would have been possible to bring specific people in this porridge, the squadron commander and from the regiment's management. I have no reason not to believe my colleagues, and they tell the same thing, in the country404 and now the Su-27, for the most part of its only 3rd series, is distinguished by a "castrated" Ritka - the first thing that the l / s draws attention to by closing the flashlight. Participants "of the events and now lives in Belbek in a pension, they wrote their rle from the Savasley notes later, at first rejecting them. You were playing Mirgorodskoe in your hands, most likely, Belbekskiy was samizdat, later "with a magic pendal" brought into line.
        My car is MiG-31, I used a simple Su-24 in Crimea a little more.
        1. Vovk
          Vovk 17 February 2021 17: 34
          -1
          Ethiopia "for Africa" ​​suit? is the first

          Only 3 SU-27 aircraft out of 40 that were in Mirgorod were sold to Ethiopia. And what kind of sultry are we talking about? 8 aircraft from warheads were then sold to them by Russia.
          And second, did you compare the leadership in the 2000s?

          I studied to be an engineer-technician in 1998-2001 and all editions of real methods and manuals for aircraft maintenance were not only in my hands ... 1991 USSR-era manuals, 1995 and 2001 ... 100% compliance. to leave the technician aside from the instructions is nonsense ... there are strict regulations - all actions of a group of technicians are recorded by the signatures of the head of the group in the service sheet.
          Have you seen what these sheets represent in real life?
          For each item, in a certain order of the aircraft maintenance sheet or repair (for example, tighten the nut No. 10) there was a column with the name of the technician, a signature.
          And everything is still stored in the archives and is not destroyed.
          1. akarfoxhound
            akarfoxhound 17 February 2021 18: 53
            +1
            [quote = Vovk] [quote] I studied to be a technical engineer in 1998-2001 and all editions ... [/ quote]
            Those. During the bedlam of the Ukrainian Air Force in the early 90s, you mastered the 5-6th grade of school with a knapsack, as I understand it?
            Re-read my comments about the samizdat Belbek RLE and when it ended. And for what they sign in the magazine, you are aware, you can tell this to people who have seen the materiel on TV, and not to me. I suspect that my raid on the fighter, by your graduation from the school, was half the raid of your midwife forces. And this samizdat nonsense was dumped by your "mentors" in 92 in the national breakthrough, though they were quickly blown away. You leytehoy already almost nothing from this circus, so leave your righteous anger to someone else.
            Another nuance from the "ukroproshly": from 92 to 95, delegations from your upper headquarters from Vinnitsa flew 3 times to the belbek and techies, hid the sides in the third zone behind the strip in the lowland. Dragged by Krazy, exposing, as in Tetris. What for? Yes, so that the authorities did not come across new planes, only Su-0s in rows before their eyes. They hid it, you know ??? I was on vacation at my own circus dus li in belbek. And they hijacked the board "to the plant" by telegram, what nafur plant ??? The Sparks had a flight time of 3-15 hours. The materiel did not return "from the factory" until January 350, the Su-400TM, ​​then they brought the MiG-97 in a state of firewood. And by the end of the 15s, as many as 29 live sides of the 2000x were worn all over the independent, depicting the aviation of Ukraine. And then they decided to make the minister's daughter a fighter quickly, just in time for the day of independence! What? And report to prezik Yurik Opomord! After the flight of the PTP at a speed of 6 km / h, the young lady energetically steered off the runway and "send spare parts for the fuselage and planes", there are as many as 29 left for the whole "country" of the 100 MiG-404, of which 29 are doubles! Class !!! Rave? And yak zhezh! And there are authors - the Sumerians!
            1. akarfoxhound
              akarfoxhound 17 February 2021 19: 56
              +2
              And another interesting fact "we didn't sell anything for Africa", Pupkin's arithmetic in pictures: Ukraine got 74 Su-27 aircraft from the union (including 2 deck prototypes), by the beginning of 2000 there were 40 left (coincided with your observations, but where is the Belbek squadron what's gone? wassat ), by 2008 - 30 boards (but I think a little more with firewood) and 2 mattress toppers served, of the 30 remaining 20 were alive and half-dead. Today there are as many as 6. flying. And something tells me about the "abundance" of spare parts, that out of 6 there are a maximum of 4 with working SUVs. And he probably exaggerated a lot with combat-ready ones. wink
              1. Vovk
                Vovk 17 February 2021 21: 11
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                Quote: akarfoxhound
                And another interesting fact "we didn't sell anything for Africa", Pupkin's arithmetic in pictures: Ukraine got 74 Su-27 aircraft from the union (including 2 deck prototypes), by the beginning of 2000 there were 40 left (coincided with your observations, but where is the Belbek squadron what happened?)

                By the beginning of the 2000s, 27 SU-40s were in Mirgorod, the remaining 30 were divided between Chuguev and Lvov. But, if you take into account, what else was inherited from parts of which were thrown into the fields from the GDR, then there was even more.
                What was sold in Ukraine from the SU-27 - 3 Ethiopia, 2 SU-27K Kitaci, 2 went to the USA, the latter were from the GDR's reserves and they were demilitarized.
                Considering that now the pots with you are beaten, the total number of combat-ready SU-27s in Ukraine at the moment is in the region of 60-80 pieces, in general, up to 100 pieces. The number of sets of armored glass from the newly launched plant was 200 pieces. For the sake of 50 sets, the plant would not be restarted.
            2. Vovk
              Vovk 17 February 2021 20: 31
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              Quote: akarfoxhound
              Those. During the bedlam of the Ukrainian Air Force in the early 90s, you mastered the 5-6th grade of school with a knapsack, as I understand it?

              I was in high school, but I remember very well, back in the 90s, how local technicians were "screwed" on the aircraft to strictly adhere to service regulations.
              Quote: akarfoxhound

              Once again, re-read my comments about the samizdat Belbek RLE and when it ended.

              Have you seen the revised aircraft maintenance manual?
              This is a multivolume edition with a bunch of forms for technicians of different specialties. Changing the order of aircraft maintenance launches a gigantic bureaucratic war machine with commissions, expert reports, conclusions.
              I had to participate in changing just one line in a similar service manual in Ukraine. Only the number of signatures was over 50, and the number of completed papers for a fully filled, medium-sized bookcase. And when they start to tell me tales about the use of even a theoretically self-made aircraft maintenance manual in Belbek ... yes, it would cause a wave of flight accidents with victims. Were many combat vehicles destroyed or lost in the 90s of Belbek? What are the next legends of the "officer's daughter"?
              Quote: akarfoxhound

              And they hijacked the board "to the plant" by telegram, what nafur plant ??? Sparks have a flight time of 350-400 hours. The materiel did not return "from the factory".

              According to you, they were all sold to Africa in Ethiopia. And in real life they all went to Mirgorod and Chuguev.
              Quote: akarfoxhound

              Then they brought the MiG-29 in a state of firewood.

              MiG-29s in Ukraine were killed back in the days of the USSR, those withdrawn from the GDR were even in a worse condition.

              May I remind you of what was going on in the Air Force in the 90s?
              When was fuel from your military vehicles drained and used in the commercial activities of airlines?
              When, for money, did you drive private persons from a potential enemy country on the latest versions of the MiG-31 and Su-27?
              Doesn't it seem that you were driving the Mi-24 for vodka to the nearest town?
              There was no such shame in Ukraine until the end of the 2000s.
              1. akarfoxhound
                akarfoxhound 17 February 2021 23: 56
                +1
                Oh me these fairy tales, oh me these storytellers ...
                What GDRs with Su-27s in the fields of Ukraine ??? Where did you get them from? In the foreign countries there were only 2 regiments on the Su-27, based in Poland (4 VA), this is the 582 IAP in Chojny, withdrawn on May 5
                1992 to Smolensk and disbanded, and 159 GvIAP from Klyuchevo, withdrawn on May 10, 1992 to Besovets (Petrozavodsk, Karelia), where it is now alive.
                60-80 pieces of Su-27 combat-ready today in Ukraine, seriously ??? Why not “one hundred thousand milens?” There were not so many of them at the same time in Soviet Ukraine lol Well, under the revival of the Su-25 and MiG-29 (to replace the firewood and the remains of the shot down) from the newly minted NATO members
                It's cool loading about the 90s - was everything gorgeous in your aviation, compared to Russia? Every year I spent 2 months on vacation in a Ukrainian air town, friends who flew there - behind the eyes, it was enough to talk and "stagger" on your concrete road, and I went on vacation from my native GvIAP of air defense aviation
                one very northern VA. And I, in contrast to the pioneer who listens to the propaganda about "shame abroad", still had something to look at the juicy details of the "combat days" of your airshapito, you will not like the reality
                Another question - tell us about the miracles in aviation - where are the bulletproof glasses installed on the Su-27? Did you get a miraculous modification by forcible crossing with the Rook? laughing
                By way of daunting counting, in 1991 we get as much as 11 years old, are 4-5 grades in Ukraine now high school students? laughing Moreover, filtering the situation in the Air Force? And were you in the know about everything? The fact that you saw the aircraft forms, with which the technical houses are crammed - I fully admit, and the rest of the opuses are very amusing
                How are you for the daughter of an officer? wink
                1. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 18 February 2021 02: 40
                  +2
                  Quote: akarfoxhound
                  Oh me these fairy tales, oh me these storytellers ...
                  What GDRs with Su-27s in the fields of Ukraine ??? Where did you get them from?
                  How are you for the daughter of an officer?
                  IA air defense mine under the visor hi
                  To be honest, he laughed heartily - well, I hoped that the military thinks pragmatically, but this is clearly not about the 404s. Su-27s in the GDR? - the materiel needs to know what they are “fed” with. It remains to wait until the two colonels who killed a crowd of people by 27ub will be named heroi, with a touch of 14 hours a year on the show ... Oh manners ...
                2. Vovk
                  Vovk 18 February 2021 10: 21
                  0
                  Quote: akarfoxhound
                  What GDRs with Su-27s in the fields of Ukraine ??? Where did you get them from?

                  What to talk about with a person who does not know how the Soviet troops were withdrawn from the GDR practically into the fields of Ukraine and Russia. Who told you that it was Su-27 ready for flight? I suspect a mobilization reserve. I know one thing, now in Ukraine there is a restoration of the Su-27, obviously not from used repair kits and not from Russia and China ... it seems to me that the ears of Eastern Europe, namely German ones, are sticking out here. only they carefully preserve such things in their warehouses.
                  Quote: akarfoxhound
                  60-80 pieces of Su-27 combat-ready today in Ukraine, seriously ???
                  This figure is not taken from the ceiling. It is clear that most of them are worn out in moderation. Now everything that can be brought back to normal.
                  Quote: akarfoxhound
                  It's cool loading about the 90s - was everything gorgeous in your aviation, compared to Russia?

                  It was not chic, but there was no obvious mess like yours. And judging by the Airfield in Belbek by the entire Air Force in Ukraine ... it's like the "average temperature" in a hospital.
                  Quote: akarfoxhound
                  Another question - tell us about the miracles in aviation - where are the bulletproof glasses installed on the Su-27?

                  Since the times of the USSR, the mobilization plant for the production of armored glass has been mothballed. The plant was not needed by anyone, and it survived. Since the production cycle on it is continuous, if you start it, you will not be able to stop it immediately. In 2015-2019, 200 sets were produced for the SU-27. Each kit costs a lot of money. Yes, this is not bulletproof glass, I admit the slip. But the release was on the armor of the glass factory.
                3. Vovk
                  Vovk 18 February 2021 10: 51
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                  And me, unlike the pioneer who hears the propaganda, I get along about "shame abroad",

                  And you know that this so-called "get on" was broadcast by your own official media in the 90s.
                  When was fuel from your military vehicles drained and used in the commercial activities of airlines?

                  I saw about this in due time a report from Russian channels and journalistic investigations ... even your military prosecutor's office could not stand it then and opened a bunch of criminal cases.

                  When, for money, did you drive private persons from a potential enemy country on the latest versions of the MiG-31 and Su-27?

                  This is taken from your own media, even the reports were on your TV as Americans, as if they were private individuals, they flew for grandmothers with the blessing of your high authorities. I even remembered how much the former Colonel of the US Air Force paid off for flights on the Su-27 in the early 90s, 15000 dollars.

                  Doesn't it seem that you were driving the Mi-24 for vodka to the nearest town?

                  Your media also reported that there was really no filming, the special forces at that time did not screw up to such an extent.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 17 February 2021 13: 54
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    They should be able to practice landing without engines at all. Also without planes. winked
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 February 2021 14: 52
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      Quote: Captive
      They should be able to practice landing without engines at all. Also without planes.

      Remove the engine, let them stand so that people are not ruined.
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 17 February 2021 17: 36
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        Will be removed, over time. Or the engines themselves will fly apart for parts. All Muscovites swear, and they pulled them up. The same Antonov was transferred to Ukraine at one time. Such a design bureau and such a production was created by a person. These ditched to hell! And the current "friends" of the schirks, more and more of them are trying to drive them into the ground, and in fact they will drive them.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 17 February 2021 13: 58
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    And a training session for practicing planting, when planting was forbidden, because the son of one of the cones is in a hurry to go to the toilet - did you do it? The problem was not in the engine, but in the fact that the important son in the air at that time was
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 17 February 2021 14: 53
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    Let these idiots forget the name of the great pilot Kozhedub. Would be alive, would have arranged for these Bandera.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 17 February 2021 14: 54
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    it was worth working out takeoff with an idle quartermaster, for Ukraine it is relevant
  • iouris
    iouris 17 February 2021 14: 59
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    We were late. At this stage, you need to practice landing without engines. And takeoff.
  • askort154
    askort154 17 February 2021 15: 59
    +2
    In aviation, before the advent of simulators, flight personnel were always trained on special occasions in flight, exclusively on a "live" plane. The imitation of engine failure was carried out by throttling the “failed” engine to MG (idle, throttle - O).
    Such training was carried out even on a single-engine aircraft, but only over the airfield. Now, modern "pilot-operators"
    have no idea about such training. Everything is done on simulators, now called "stimulants". Yes, they are much more economical than "flying a live airplane" to train a pilot, and as a result, there is a big gap in his professional training. Modern pilots in GA, with great difficulty go to the "go-around" in the "helm mode. As a result, a whole series of accidents
    through the fault of the pilots. Even the Saudis in Rostov "staged a" catastrophe "
    exactly because of this reason. And such examples, unfortunately, are the sea.
    We have the last, indicative in this regard - the disaster at Vnukovo - "superjet". As far as I know, there is a disaster in Ukraine -
    1. iouris
      iouris 17 February 2021 16: 11
      +1
      in Ukraine are already accustomed to disasters. the main thing is that the reactors do not explode.
    2. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 18 February 2021 03: 09
      +1
      Quote: askort154
      Nowadays, modern "pilot-operators"
      have no idea about such training ... Modern pilots in GA, with great difficulty go to the "second circle" in "helm mode
      Let me put in a word for the modern civilians? Not for those who drove 737 into the ground in Perm, Kazan, Rostov; not for the one that SSJ put in Sheremetyevo; not even for planting in corn... This is all a snapshot of problems, as elsewhere. Once I spread with the captain of Victory - we are low-cost and we feel it in everything sad Look in Europe, lowcosts JesyJet / WizzAir / RYR are not at all among the leaders in accidents. The same GoAround is trained in such a way that one FR left having dropped the speed to 84kts and two to a row of StickShakers left. Disassembled, pulled up and the guys fly. And in Aeroflot a week ago, two were kicked out for leaving. Two of them got to turn off the engine not very long ago: they went in, sat down, everything is beautiful ... the chief asked one question - why did you turn off the autopilot? Out of habit, like on a simulator; semiannually.
      Do not judge too harshly and in isolation from modern reality - they, especially young ones, are products of modern requirements. The kids come from the aircraft of the initial training and see the round device for the first time in 737 repeat Big load on training, but they are trained and they fly. Even the buttons must be pressed correctly, otherwise it is very harmful. Why are they not interested in a different question, to their generation in general. And dinosaurs are getting smaller, but we are still in respect and respect, especially those who came with a "simple" aviation, where there are no bells and whistles, except for gloves ...
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 18 February 2021 03: 28
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        Quote: askort154
        Modern pilots in GA, with great difficulty, go to the "go-around" in the "helm mode."

        By the way, before C19, the same RYR performed a hundred exits every day - only one has become known in the last few years, the Dutch were a little scared - not bad statistics characterizing the level of training.
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 17 February 2021 19: 12
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    As a familiar pilot who flew the entire An - 26, 30, 32 family said, this car, if it is "empty", can be put on the same engine by an average pilot. If the instructor of the military school could not do this, then it’s not the car, it’s the instructor.
  • agoran
    agoran 17 February 2021 22: 03
    +1
    "And you, friends, no matter how you sit down,
    All musicians are not good. "
    Well, there is no combat aviation in 404, at least get away.
    How many fighters and combat helicopters have been built?
    That's right, 0 whole, horseradish tenths.
  • Misha_an26
    Misha_an26 20 February 2021 16: 41
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    In Balashovskaya Bursa, in the third year, they were also launched in the air. If anything, 86 years old ..