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On the threat of Japanese revanchism

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On the threat of Japanese revanchism
Tanks T-26 and the Red Army during the formation on the square of the city of Shikuka on South Sakhalin. August 1945


75 years ago, the Kuril Islands and South Sakhalin were officially annexed to the Soviet Union. Russia gained these territories thanks to the victory over the Japanese Empire during the Second World War. In fact, Moscow then reclaimed its own lands, restoring historical justice. Since these lands belonged to Russia in the 1904th century. And Japan captured them only during the Russo-Japanese War of 1905-XNUMX.

These island lands still have both military-strategic and economic significance. These territories turn the Sea of ​​Okhotsk into an inland water body of Russia, which ensures the protection of Russia's strategic and economic interests. The concession of the Southern Kuriles to Japan will lead to a serious deterioration in the military and economic security of the Russian Federation.

From the history of the question


During the Great Patriotic War, Japan maintained neutrality.

However, the Japanese elite closely followed the course of the war and was ready to oppose Russia if, during the 1941 campaign, the Germans took Moscow, and in 1942 - Stalingrad.

Japan had a strong grouping of troops in Manchuria, which fettered part of the Red Army forces in the Far East. The Japanese have repeatedly committed provocations on land, sea and air.

At the Crimea Conference in February 1945, Soviet leader Stalin promised to oppose Japan 2-3 months after Germany was defeated.

For England and the United States, this issue was very important, since without the active help of the Russians, according to analysts, Japan could fight for another year or two. And the allies would have suffered huge losses (hundreds of thousands of people).

Moscow was to receive South Sakhalin and the Kuriles, in China - Port Arthur and the Chinese Eastern Railway (on lease). That is, Russia was restoring the strategic positions lost during the Japanese campaign.

Stalin believed that Russia should take historical revenge for defeat in the war of 1904–1905. This was demanded by historical justice. As well as issues of security and the future of our Far East.

At the Berlin Conference in July-August 1945, the Soviet side confirmed its readiness to oppose the Japanese militarists. Russian troops have already been transferred to the Far East.

On August 9, 1945, the Soviet armies dealt a powerful blow to the Japanese Kwantung Army. The Manchu operation ended in complete success: the Japanese army was defeated, its fortifications were captured, the main forces were blocked or captured.

The Yuzhno-Sakhalin operation was carried out on August 11-25. The entire island of Sakhalin became Soviet.

The Kuril operation was carried out on August 18 - September 1. And the Kurils were returned to Russia.

Japan, having lost the ability to continue resistance on the continent, surrendered on September 2.

On February 2, 1946, on the territory of the southern part of Sakhalin Island and on the Kuril Islands, annexed to the Soviet Union as a result of the Soviet-Japanese War, the South Sakhalin Region was created. Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk (formerly Toyohara) became the center of the region.

In 1947, the Yuzhno-Sakhalin Region was merged with the Sakhalin Region. In the same year, the mass repatriation of the Japanese population from South Sakhalin began (over 350 thousand Japanese lived on the island) and the resettlement of families from Russia to the island.


Soviet servicemen inspect the Japanese fortress 171-mm gun Type 150 captured at the height of 96 Shumshu Island. Kuril Islands. August 1945

Northern territories


In September 1951, a peace treaty was signed in San Francisco between Japan and the Allied Powers. Moscow refused to sign it, as the agreement was regarded as a separate one.

Representatives of the PRC were not invited to the conference. And the text of the agreement did not mention the rights of the Chinese to Taiwan, the Pescadores and Paracel Islands, as well as the sovereignty of Russia over South Sakhalin and the Kuriles. Also, the question of the withdrawal of Western troops from Japan was not spelled out.

As a result, under the terms of the San Francisco Peace, Tokyo acknowledged the loss of its sovereignty over Taiwan and the Pescadores, Paracel and Spratly Islands, over Korea. The Japanese side refused

"Of all rights, legal grounds and claims to the Kuril Islands and that part of Sakhalin and adjacent islands, over which Japan acquired sovereignty under the Treaty of Portsmouth of September 5, 1905".

However, later the Japanese authorities took the position that Iturup, Shikotan, Kunashir and Habomai (the so-called Northern Territories) were not part of the Kuril Islands (Chishima Islands). And Tokyo did not refuse them.

The "Japanese aircraft carrier" became a US outpost directed against the USSR. The Japanese were allowed to rebuild part of the armed forces. Japan's territorial claims against Russia became part of the West's Cold War against the USSR.

After Stalin's departure, Moscow's diplomatic positions were weakened by the erroneous actions of Khrushchev and Gorbachev. So, in October 1956, the Moscow Declaration was adopted to end the war between the USSR and Japan. Khrushchev was ready to give the islands of Habomai and Shikotan to the Japanese in exchange for peace and the withdrawal of foreign troops from the territory of the Japanese islands. However, the Japanese did not sign the agreement, as they did not have full sovereignty. The United States put pressure on Japan, not wanting to leave its "aircraft carrier".

In the future, Moscow quite reasonably did not recognize the existence of a territorial problem.

We won, took our own by historical law and the law of strength. And the point.

Another blow to our negotiating position was dealt by Gorbachev, who in 1991, during a visit to Japan, admitted the existence of a territorial dispute. Yeltsin's government continued the policy of surrendering the interests of the Russian state. In 1993, the Tokyo Declaration was signed, in which the desire to solve the problems of the four Kuril Islands was noted. In Japan, this gave rise to hope for the return of the Northern Territories.

Since that time, Tokyo's pressure on Moscow has become methodical and regular.

The Japanese authorities and the public usually raise this issue several times a year, criticize the representatives of the Russian authorities who visit the “disputed” territories on various issues. With the strengthening of the Japanese military machine, which has already abandoned almost all post-war restrictions, the issue has already assumed the character of a potential Japanese threat in the Far East.

Moscow's policy during the Putin-Medvedev tandem was contradictory.
On the one hand, the Russian government, recognizing the 1956 Declaration, wishing to conclude peace with Japan, develop economic and technological cooperation, and receive Japanese investments, gave Tokyo hope that the issue would be resolved in their favor.

On the other hand, especially after the outbreak of political confrontation with the West (Ukrainian revolution and civil war, reunification with Crimea, policy of sanctions), Moscow took a tougher stance. In fact, the Kremlin has returned to the position of the USSR - the South Kurils are an integral part of Russia following the Second World War. And Russian sovereignty over the islands is beyond doubt.

In the updated Constitution of the Russian Federation, adopted by a popular vote, it is forbidden to even negotiate the transfer of Russian territories. This equates to extremism with appropriate punishment.

This position has been strengthened by the strengthening of Russia's military positions in the Kuril Islands, Sakhalin and the Far East as a whole. The defense of the region, destroyed during the previous "reforms", has been partially restored and continues to improve.


Japanese revenge


In the 2020 Japanese military "White Paper", the Kuril Islands are designated as "the original territories of Japan."

In the past decade, Japan has abandoned almost all military restrictions. The shock develops aviation, a powerful fleet (including helicopter carriers - light aircraft carriers), amphibious assault forces. A decision was made to create long-range cruise missiles for possible attacks on enemy bases.

Also, Japan is one of the most powerful economic, industrial and technological powers in the world, capable of multiplying its military and striking power in a short time (from several months to a year).

Taking into account the global crisis of capitalism, which always turns into a military phase, the Japanese threat has again appeared in the Far East.

Thus, Japan is already capable of performing a sudden and successful local amphibious operation in the area of ​​the Kuril Islands.

Our Armed Forces in the Far East, weakened by the previous "peace-loving" policy, with a high degree of probability, are unable to repel the first strike. Further, obviously, Russia, pulling up reinforcements from the European part of the country, will be able to launch a counteroffensive. But the question is, how will the US act?

The Americans are allies of the Japanese. That is, a scenario may arise when unrest will arise within Russia, and the Japanese will suddenly seize an island (or several) with a sudden blow. Then the "world community" will intervene, the issue will be transferred to the "world level", where we have no friends and allies. The Kremlin will be forced to yield.

Therefore, the only way to preserve its own is the military and economic development of the Far East, including Sakhalin and the Kuriles. New industrialization.

On the same Kuriles and Sakhalin there are significant natural resources (including rare earths). Hydrocarbons. Biological resources - fishing and seafood.

Large projects are needed, for example, a bridge (or a tunnel) to Sakhalin. A powerful demographic policy, otherwise the region will soon become completely empty, and the Chinese, Koreans and Japanese will master it.

A holy place is never empty.

Ancient wisdom, which has not lost its significance now,

"If you want peace, prepare for war."

Further strengthening and modernization of the Pacific fleet, Air force, missile defense, coastal troops.

Development of transport infrastructure, connectivity of the country. Indeed, in essence, only the Trans-Siberian Railway connects us with the East of the country.

It is necessary to build a great railway in the North.

Restore civil aviation available to the population, including small ones. Study and develop the possibilities of new modes of transport.

We must clearly remember that there is an Act of Japan's Unconditional Surrender. Japan is punished for decades of aggression in the Asia-Pacific region. Southern Sakhalin and the Kuriles are ours by right. And Japan's claims are completely unfounded.

The Soviet Union restored historical justice. Japan was punished for the war of 1904-1905.

The South Kuriles and Sakhalin are of strategic military and economic importance for Russia, ensuring the connectivity and security of Kamchatka and Primorye and making the Sea of ​​Okhotsk our inland. Improving the basing capabilities of the Pacific Fleet, which also includes strategic submarines that guarantee the security of all of Russia.

Otherwise, we will lose the forward and main line of defense in the East. Whereas the potential enemy (Japanese and Americans) will thereby seize a strategic foothold for strikes against our own Far East.

Not to mention the potential enormous economic damage to Russia.

All this cannot be allowed.
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 10 February 2021 05: 27
    +15
    Where to get people to develop Siberia and the Far East? There are only eight million people there, very few. Until the people begin to populate and settle in the vast territories of Siberia and the Far East, there will be little sense from various projects.
    1. GTYCBJYTH2021
      GTYCBJYTH2021 10 February 2021 05: 41
      -6
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Where to get people to develop Siberia and the Far East? There are only eight million people there, very few. Until the people begin to populate and settle in the vast territories of Siberia and the Far East, there will be little sense from various projects.

      Muscovites are in no hurry to go to Mother Siberia and European Russians, too ... Rub their sides with Asians, endure ... lol
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 10 February 2021 07: 35
        +17
        There are no Muscovites left, 90 percent have come in large numbers. Somehow the people instead of Mother Siberia are more and more drawn to the capital. request
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 10 February 2021 07: 44
          +13
          Quote: Sea Cat
          Somehow the people instead of Mother Siberia are increasingly drawn to the capital.

          Hence the conclusion suggests itself - in order for the people to reach out to Siberia, it is necessary to transfer the capital to Siberia.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 10 February 2021 07: 48
            +17
            The idea is great! good Try to convince Putin of this. wink drinks
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 10 February 2021 07: 59
              -1
              Quote: Sea Cat
              Try to convince Putin of this

              "Let's shake off the old world ...
              And let's go to the hungry people ... "

              Putin has a different task, but the next one (Shoigu, after the 24th) can easily endure. This is how many different kinds of stuck will not be ... laughing
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 10 February 2021 08: 52
                +5
                This is how many different sorts of stuck no lot will turn out to be ..

                Not these, so others will be found, there is enough such good everywhere wholesale and retail. But I don’t think that "after the 24th" something will change, again to the throne and just one extra term ...? Because of such smallness, countries do not put it so openly on the Basic Law. smile
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 10 February 2021 09: 06
                  -3
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  Because of such smallness, countries do not put it so openly on the Basic Law.

                  I am sure that Putin has a last term as president (the pressure of the environment is too great for him to continue to rule the country), but the clan of siloviki, which he heads and represents, will remain in power after the 24th. Who will be the next president, Shoigu or someone else, let's see who they will nominate.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 10 February 2021 09: 09
                    +4
                    Let's see, we'll see ... But, actually, we have already seen this: some elderly people are in power. How did it end, remember?
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 10 February 2021 09: 22
                      +1
                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      How did it end, remember?

                      Are you following Biden? Everything starts there. laughing

                      It is said in the scripture: "Judge them according to their works."
                      You can only judge a manager of this level by his deeds: which country he accepted, which one he passed. To judge a manager by his age, hair light, eye shape, etc. - this is fundamentally wrong.

                      About the elders.
                      Khrushchev on a swoop failed to return the country to capitalism. They took a longer path, which led the people to the fact that they (the people) "themselves" wanted changes ... This is a different topic ...
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 10 February 2021 09: 41
                        +4
                        That's right, the topic is completely different.
                      2. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 10 February 2021 12: 55
                        +6
                        "
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        There are no Muscovites left, 90 percent have come in large numbers. Somehow the people instead of Mother Siberia are more and more drawn to the capital. request

                        As for the resettlement of the rural population to the megapoles, this program was laid under Gorbachev by Soros, and then moved under the dictation of the IMF (a branch of the US Federal Reserve in the direction of reducing the indigenous population of Russia ..

                        Indeed, with the "optimization of education and health care" - i.e. under the state policy of the Russian Federation of passive expulsion of indigenous people from the countryside and the outskirts of the country, young people will inevitably be drawn to the megapoles, and the village will become empty, because old-timers will also die out.
                        And life in the countryside is a whole, one might say, civilization. It is easy to lose, but difficult to recover. For this, a person needs to have a special mentality - to love nature as a wet nurse, land, lakes, rivers, fields, forests, birds and animals. To be able to take care of all this and take care of all this.

                        I wrote about this back in 1990 in my review of the PILOT program of education reform "Education-90", put forward by the deputies-teachers in the Legislative Assembly of the SPB in 1990, who were duped by Gorbachev's perestroika policy on Soros. She defined it as a long-term hostile policy in the country as a result of foreign influence on the same teachers.
                        At that time, after my review, the Education-90 program was canceled. But what was laid down in it was still partly realized later and was not yet fully realized. Its essence ultimately boiled down to the separation of state education from the state and its transfer to commercial rails.

                        As for maintaining population growth at least at the same level in rural areas, as an example of "enemy optimization of medical care" in the Russian Federation, according to Western recommendations, for clarity, I present a video of the problem of optimizing medical care for women in labor when maternity hospitals in rural areas in Russian regions of the Russian Federation are closed ...

                        Yaroslavl closes the hospital. • 22 Dec. 2012 r.
                      3. Catfish
                        Catfish 10 February 2021 14: 07
                        +3
                        As for the resettlement of the rural population to megapoles, this program was laid down under Gorbachev according to Soros, and then moved

                        And the fact that people came to work on a limited basis in large industrial cities
                        from the late fifties to the fucking perestroika are Soros and the IMF also to blame? Well, well ... where did the "Office" look, or did Soros buy it too? laughing
                      4. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 10 February 2021 15: 21
                        +4
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        And the fact that people came to work on a limited basis in large industrial cities from the late fifties to the fucking perestroika are Soros and the IMF also to blame? u-well ... where did the "Office" look, or did Soros buy it too?

                        And how many of them were there limiters since the late 50s in relation to the entire rural population in the USSR? Yes, a drop in the ocean!
                        There is simply nothing to talk about the post-war years! The entire European part of the USSR was destroyed by the Germans - in the countryside, in the city!
                        Industry in the cities was recovering faster and workers were especially needed for the recovery, primarily of the industrial economy. The country needed factories, factories, machines, personal items of industrial production. There was a severe shortage of housing.
                        Meanwhile, in the same Leningrad, only 15% of the former population survived the blockade and returned from all the fronts of the Second World War.
                        So your emphasis on limiters in the post-50s in large cities of the USSR is simply neither to the village nor to the city!

                        As for the Khrushchev times, then in the countryside they lived materially better than in the city! My relatives lived in the Kostroma region. So in their collective farm, surplus milk was simply poured into silage pits, from 3 milkings per day, a 100-head herd of cows was transferred to 2 milkings per day due to the lack of milk cans from the city. And when the village people came to Leningrad, they were very surprised how it is that we city people cannot eat on the city salary just as abundantly as they do in the village ?!
                        The wages of the villagers, if they were less than those of the urban ones, did not have to spend it on food, unlike the urban ones, who bought all food only in the store and at the market.
                        It was then that Khrushchev began his reforms in agriculture in order to level the city with the countryside, which caused enormous damage to the same agriculture.
                        And so in the villages there were already new houses, TVs, motorcycles, etc. Instead of personal cars, they used collective farm tractors. In the collective farm village of our relatives from 20 households there was a grocery store (sugar, vodka, canned food, confectionery), household goods, shoes, clothes, linen and fabrics, dishes, etc. The village had its own club with a cinema - and films were shown 2 times a week. None of the locals were going to leave for the city.
                        Limiters in Leningrad were mainly from small towns, in which there was still no place to work properly.

                        I'm not talking about Gorbachev's times. Leningraders themselves had nowhere to work - enterprises were closed, workers at enterprises did not receive a salary for six months, and people lived from hand to mouth as a family. It is good that the schools fed schoolchildren with breakfast and lunch.

                        So, Sea Cat, you shouldn't, as they say, "shag your grandmother" with your fables about the limiters in the SOVIET time and hang people "noodles"!
                        On the contrary, during the "perestroika", the villagers told the townspeople that
                        We villagers will survive. We will not die of hunger, But how will you, city people, survive? This is the question.
                      5. Catfish
                        Catfish 10 February 2021 15: 56
                        0
                        Instead of personal cars, they used collective farm tractors. In a collective farm village

                        Well, madam, every scribble is a pearl! laughing Can you give data on the number of collective farm tractors per capita of the village population?
                        Well, think for yourself, how can you seriously talk to you after such speeches? Well, laughter, and nothing more. smile
                        And about "shaggy grandmother" - this is not for me, I do not know the thieves' jargon, and it is not accepted by normal people.
                        On the contrary, during the "perestroika", the villagers told the townspeople that
                        We villagers will survive. We will not die of hunger, But how will you, city people, survive? This is the question.

                        But you noticed this well. How will the urban ones have to survive? And you don't have to go far, at one time the Soviet power very competently disposed of this problem by creating food detachments. smile So, knowing the history of your country, you don't need to invent anything new. Everything was invented before us, in this matter - by the Bolsheviks. hi
                      6. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 10 February 2021 16: 39
                        +3
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Well, madam, every scribble is a pearl! Can you give data on the number of collective farm tractors per capita of the village population?
                        And what do you think that after the rains and in muddy roads someone drove in cars on country roads, except if the collective farm chairman risked getting stuck on a "Niva" out of dire necessity ?!
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        And about "shaggy grandmother" - this is not for me, I do not know the thieves' jargon, and it is not accepted by normal people.
                        I do not know what you personally mean "to shaggy grandmother", but the phraseological unit is as follows:
                        No need to shaggy grandmother (meaning of phraseological units) - 1) no need to deceive, take away from the essence. For example, to pass off the simple for the complex, to fill the price of something with non-existent merits and, indeed, simply "fool your head", 2) you cannot fool me (it is said to the one who tried to deceive).
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        But you noticed this well. How will the urban ones have to survive? And you don't have to go far, at one time the Soviet power very competently disposed of this problem by creating food detachments. So, knowing the history of your country, you don't need to invent anything new. Everything was invented before us, in this matter - by the Bolsheviks.

                        Interestingly, and how do you imagine this in our time in Russia, if you are not from Ukraine!

                        "Prodrazvorstka" in Ukrainian.
                      7. Catfish
                        Catfish 10 February 2021 17: 00
                        +4
                        ... except if only the chairman of the collective farm on "Niva" ?!

                        You are not in the subject. In Soviet times, either the GAZ-69 or the UAZ-469 was assigned to the state chairman, these cars are much more passable than the Niva, and they are easier to repair. Have you yourself ever tried to ride a tractor, not to the general store, but more or less serious distance?
                        By the way, now little has changed with the roads in the countryside, but nothing, we drive, we do not complain.
                        ... just "fool your head"

                        This is what I like more, and it sounds more familiar. And "the grandmother is shaggy" are most likely those who use their head only for wearing a headdress, because they do not know what it is mainly intended for request .
                        "Prodrazvorstka" in Ukrainian.

                        What does this have to do with it? “There’s a bazin’s in the garden, but is there an uncle in Kiev?”, So what?
                        Ukraine is not our state, but we are talking about Russia, although at one time the food contractors made a mess there too.
                    2. chenia
                      chenia 10 February 2021 20: 00
                      +6
                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      Can you give data on the number of collective farm tractors per capita of the village population?


                      The USSR produced 600 thousand tractors a year. USA - 100 thousand (in my time).
                      I came across a rural reality in the early 80s (harvesting by the army). So then the tractor driver for beer 50 meters only on the tractor and moved. The attitude to technology is terrible (we are used to army people, but we have boys after DOSAAF).
                      This is the time when the collective farmers (who handed over meat) were paid more than they were rescued for in the store. And all the products on the market were 1,5 times more than in the store (and they were sold by producers (collective farmers), not resellers. And honey. Milk is not profitable, cheap. And if a smart chairman (then a collective farm is a millionaire), then the base is not The Black Sea and vouchers for milkmaids in bulk, and ponds full of fish (well, it's not expensive).

                      In short, if you do not abuse alcohol, they did not even live in poverty.
                      Although young people dumped into the city.
                    3. Catfish
                      Catfish 10 February 2021 21: 13
                      0
                      So then the tractor driver for beer 50 meters only on a tractor ...


                      You know, this is not an indicator. During our military service we drove in a tank for vodka, but it does not follow from this that I could use my "Half-Four" as a personal car for all three years. drinks soldier
                    4. Hunter 2
                      Hunter 2 10 February 2021 21: 28
                      +2
                      Quote: Sea Cat


                      You know, this is not an indicator. During our military service, we drove in a tank for vodka:

                      Beautifully live not forbid what We walked on foot, with buckets for cognac repeat
                    5. Catfish
                      Catfish 11 February 2021 18: 29
                      +2
                      For a bucket of brandy, you can crawl through the snow and swamps. laughing
                    6. chenia
                      chenia 11 February 2021 20: 08
                      +1
                      Quote: Hunter 2
                      with buckets for cognac


                      Well, nothing is sacred. With buckets, over cognac. No finesse. Parmesan and salami. And then lard and cucumber. And no romance.
                  2. chenia
                    chenia 11 February 2021 10: 14
                    +2
                    Quote: Sea Cat
                    we drove for vodka in a tank,


                    Well, for vodka is unlikely (so it shines, a smart fighter will not be, and vodka is not for fighters, mumbler, yes). But our lads constantly managed to "rob" the state farm garden (the tankodrome was not far).

                    The village in the 60s, 70s was not rich - yes (I am 66 years old, and I remember). But the 80s (especially after the implementation of the food program - when billions flew to the village - from above).
                    And in the village, every second had transport (most of them motorcycles). And all his personal products to the market (and the market in the USSR. Has always been more expensive than a store).

                    And the collective farmers of the 80s did not work with anguish. I remember running after the soldiers (and this is an auto transport unit). so that they would throw grain or something else, for their livestock, offering vodka (and during the harvest in stores it was forbidden to sell it (in the village, naturally), which was purchased in advance.
                  3. Catfish
                    Catfish 11 February 2021 18: 28
                    +2
                    Well, for vodka is unlikely (so it shines, a smart fighter will not be, and vodka is not for fighters, mumbler, yes).

                    Holy cross soldier , drove. The very first case - they hit the road from the Fire town with the blessing of the commander (they drank together). The company was on the TST, they fired from three cars, the fourth was in case of failure of one of the shooters. We went not to our village (Babstovo), but to the neighboring one (Oktyabrskoe), service out of turn. It was in 1968 in the Far East, in the Jewish Autonomous Region, the 54th separate tank regiment (Colonel I.A.Kosenko), the first battalion, the third company, where I had the honor to serve as a tank commander. Then we drove to the store a couple of times during the exercises, once there was a case of a trip to the collective farm apiary - they gave me mead, young honey in combs and homemade bread. It's true, I don't compose. smile drinks
                    PS And there was no muttering, only Vietnamese vodka, their own brandy, but our alcohol.
  • S. Smirnov
    S. Smirnov 10 February 2021 11: 42
    +2
    Quote: Boris55
    Putin has a different task, but the next one (Shoigu, after the 24th) can easily transfer

    And he (Shoigu), by the way, already suggested
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 10 February 2021 08: 52
    +2
    Remember once every five years - please.
    And in fact - there is a world with the organization of gigapolises.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 10 February 2021 09: 11
      0
      Hello, Sergey! hi
      And who will feed the city loafers? laughing drinks
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 10 February 2021 09: 18
        +3
        Hi Constantine!

        Now I ask myself: do I have the right to a morning cup of tea?
        Streams, whether financial or grocery, are very interesting.
        And the raw material nature of our nature management remains the same.
  • Interlocutor
    Interlocutor 10 February 2021 14: 09
    0
    Convince yourself, first of all. A knapsack behind your back and on your way
  • Gato
    Gato 10 February 2021 09: 50
    +1
    it is necessary to transfer the capital to Siberia.

    For 25 years with disqualification and no correspondence? belay
    1. Zvonarev
      Zvonarev 10 February 2021 13: 49
      0
      Why 25, for life ...
  • Dzungar
    Dzungar 10 February 2021 09: 01
    +1
    Weak Muscovites have become ... They want warmth all year round, and work less. Everyone is bringing down the Krasnodar Territory ...
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 10 February 2021 09: 20
      +1
      There are still those who feel good about the frost. In moderate doses, of course.
      From minus 25 to plus 25 is the comfort zone. Not a cause for grief.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 10 February 2021 09: 44
        0
        Seryozha, come on, you found someone to communicate with.
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 10 February 2021 09: 47
          +2
          Anyone can oppose.
          I wonder how ideas are in the air.

          "In vain, artist, do you think that you are the creator of your creations!" (with).
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      2. Ugakhan
        Ugakhan 10 February 2021 10: 24
        -3
        They don't understand this.
        They think everyone should
        build to step into them
        s (r) usskiy world .....
      3. yehat2
        yehat2 10 February 2021 10: 39
        0
        Quote: Dzungar
        who are the Dzungars

        I have nothing against the Dzungars, but because of incest
        Anyone live there - ZhruRuKraintsy, KiNemorussians, ChuEsgars - anyone, but it will be a problem to find a pure Dzhungar. For example, I have at least 4 nationalities in my blood, although there is Russian in my passport. Previously, when people were little mixed, it was possible to talk about nationality, but now? perhaps about the heritage of culture.
  • Far B
    Far B 10 February 2021 06: 22
    +17
    Where to get people to develop Siberia and the Far East?
    In what sense - where to get it? To stimulate the resettlement of residents of the European part of the country to the Far East. as it was done under the USSR and even in Tsarist Russia. If you wish, you can find ways and means (a Far Eastern hectare is not a way or a means, it is a parody of American Homesteads, filed down by our crooked managers). And even better - to finally start working on correcting the demographic situation, otherwise the population density in the European part of the country will soon be comparable to that in the Far East. Over the past two years, the natural decline in the country's population is more than a million! But something tells me that the crooked hands of managers will not be able to master this issue any more. So we will die out completely to ourselves at a military pace. Civil War? Yes, there she is! Receive-sign.
    1. bad
      bad 10 February 2021 06: 41
      +22
      Quote: Dalny V
      To stimulate the resettlement of residents of the European part of the country to the Far East. as it was done under the USSR and even in Tsarist Russia. If you want to find ways and means - you can

      That's right, so far there is only stimulation of resettlement to Moscow
      1. Civil
        Civil 10 February 2021 06: 57
        +4
        1 question. Why would a well-fed and rich Japan die in a nuclear missile war? To get radioactive islands?
        2. The population of the Far East is declining, the Chinese are simply waiting for the apple to fall into their hands. However, the communists have always been far-sighted people. With large planning horizons.
        1. bad
          bad 10 February 2021 07: 05
          +16
          Quote: Civil
          Question. Why would a well-fed and rich Japan die in a nuclear missile war?

          And it will not be she who will decide, she has a Master.

          Quote: Civil
          The population of the Far East is declining, the Chinese are simply waiting for the apple to fall into their hands. However, the communists have always been forward-thinking people

          Are you saying that the communists planned to hand over the Far East to the Chinese? In my opinion, the opposite is true - in the USSR the population was growing.
          1. Civil
            Civil 10 February 2021 07: 20
            +6
            Quote: malo
            And it will not be she who will decide, she has a Master.

            Ok, why should a rich and contented Master burn in a nuclear missile hell?
            Quote: malo
            Are you saying that the communists planned to hand over the Far East to the Chinese? In my opinion, the opposite is true - in the USSR the population was growing.

            The Communists of the CCP, without unnecessary movements, look at the depopulation of the Far East and Siberia. Realizing perfectly well that in the very distant future (by Moscow standards), wild African capitalism in the adjacent territory will bring this territory under their influence.
    2. aars
      aars 10 February 2021 09: 12
      -4
      Quote: Dalny V
      But something tells me that the crooked hands of managers will not be able to master this question any more. So we will die out completely to ourselves at a military pace. Civil War?
      Managers should not be considered fools, you cannot climb up without a mind.
      And they have consultants.
      Only now they will not "work to correct the demographic situation" - this is a direct path to revolution.
      Will it be enough for you?
      And if you "correct" - there will be more!
      All young people spit from the ruling clique and the president in the first place.
      It is not clear to the aged people, who are shaking from reverence for the "leader", and causes the desire to "educate young people."
      There will be no "correction of the demographic situation", Ceausescu corrected it to the point that he was shot.
      And the Kremlin is well aware of this.
      And there will be an attraction of the natives of Central Asia, close to the older generation in mentality and not prone to rebellion.
      1. lucul
        lucul 10 February 2021 11: 19
        -3
        All young people spit from the ruling clique and the president in the first place.
        It is not clear to the aged people, who are shaking from reverence for the "leader", and causes the desire to "educate young people."

        So, is Putin to blame for everything? )))
        1. aars
          aars 10 February 2021 11: 21
          -2
          Thank you for the excellent confirmation of my theses above.
          How old are you, if not a secret?
          1. lucul
            lucul 10 February 2021 11: 24
            -2
            Thank you for the excellent confirmation of my theses above.

            Himself not funny?
            1. aars
              aars 10 February 2021 11: 27
              -2
              Not in the least.
              I myself am by no means a young man, but I worked in a young team.
              1. lucul
                lucul 10 February 2021 11: 52
                -2
                I myself am by no means a young man, but I worked in a young team.

                Did you work "for your uncle" or for yourself?
                1. aars
                  aars 10 February 2021 11: 54
                  -2
                  Only and exclusively for my uncle all my life.
                  And there is no intention or plans for oneself and will not be.
                  PS: so how old are you?
                  1. lucul
                    lucul 10 February 2021 11: 56
                    -2
                    Only and exclusively for my uncle all my life.
                    And there is no intention or plans for oneself and will not be.

                    Why ?
    3. Kisa
      Kisa 10 February 2021 20: 18
      +1
      20 years ago, a friend of mine was a graduate student at the Far Eastern State University, they sawed a presidential project there, how to return people to the Far East, her disser was - since then a third of the population fled. all the same New Vasyuki plans for the day ... and have been rebelling in Khabar Primorye since last summer.
      the periodically pedaling theme of the Kuril Islands is not an inch of an adversary, but the empty territories of the Far East are an unpopular reality. All my classmates fled. ask what is the matter - there is an answer - Finding 5 ports -Fish Trading Oil Wrangel Container terminal - instead of 24/7, one shift of dockers left. The giants of PSRZ NSRZ and there are no ruins left. .... when that 90-00s Vladik was the automobile capital of loot and life revolved around the Japanese car industry, an alternative to the deceased Dalzavod - right now, and it died. it's all where the climate with a mild swimming season in summer ...
      a shipyard in the Stone yes a good undertaking but this is not the scale at all ...
      you can offer a whole list here, although it is still the same - industrialization of the allowance flights pensions blah blah but it can be seen fried until it bites so seriously or the Kremlin has a different concept
  • Finches
    Finches 10 February 2021 06: 50
    -1
    The whole problem is exclusively in the aggressive policy of militaristic Japan since the beginning of the 20th century! ... The Russo-Japanese treaties of 1855 and 1875, which recognized first the southern and then the North Kuril islands as belonging to Japan, obliged the latter to develop friendly relations with Russia. However, the narrow-eyed children of Amaterasu began to use these territories as a springboard for aggression against Russia, for which in the end they were shocked - In accordance with the Yalta agreements, the Kuril Islands and South Sakhalin returned to their native harbor! In a disco city, Japan recognized the Kuril Islands as not belonging to it. The islands belong to Russia, which has not signed this treaty, due to the previous Yalta agreements. That's the whole story! The Japanese would have resigned themselves long ago and forgot about these islands, but the Americans are systematically pushing them forward, maintaining another hotbed of tension near our borders! That's where the universal evil is - the Anglo-Saxons! The Japanese, of course, are also not white and fluffy, but without the United States, Japan would not show teeth, they would have agreed long ago to share the islands, but under the jurisdiction of Russia.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 10 February 2021 07: 36
      +4
      We won, took our own by historical law and the law of strength. And the point.
      And how much can you repeat it! It's time to memorize it!
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 11 February 2021 20: 27
        0
        Greetings to Volodya, Sakhalin, Kholmsk, Soviet and Tatar Strait!

        Samsonov raised not a feeble question: how to develop Sakhalin. I think you need necessarily build a bridge. Create a coherent real program for the development of Sakhalin. Build good state housing (due to the lack of which I left). Introduce the necessary contractors for a period of at least 5 years. Those who stay forever - to give more comfortable housing after 15 years of work. And, of course, good salaries and benefits. How is my program?
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 12 February 2021 01: 06
          +1
          Namesake hello! hi Your program was carried out in the USSR! I am a witness and participant. And about "now" and reluctance to think ...
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 12 February 2021 10: 57
            0
            I agree. You have devastation, desolation, we have devastation, desolation ... Only one must live and hope!
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 12 February 2021 11: 06
              +1
              Hello namesake! hi We live .... We hope ...
  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 10 February 2021 08: 04
    +1
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    Where to get people to develop Siberia and the Far East?

    Especially if you consider that people are trying to leave the Far East whenever possible.
  • Ru_Na
    Ru_Na 10 February 2021 08: 18
    +5
    No one will master the Far East until good conditions for work and life are created, and we have them only in Moscow and St. Petersburg, everyone is striving there, and the rest of Russia is just a periphery, a source of raw materials and labor.
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 10 February 2021 08: 54
      +4
      More Krasnodar. These three regions and the Moscow Region are places where people come to.
      There are rare birds that fly to the North.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 10 February 2021 08: 58
    +10
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    Where to get people to develop Siberia and the Far East?

    There are few people. Very little. The population of Russia is not enough even for its European part. In the village, which is 30 min. driving from the regional center, people do not go to work. Why? Severe shortage of doctors and teachers. The administration promises housing and a car, and in return for 10 years of work. Do not go. Absolutely.
    And we are about the Far East ...
    People (future parents) must have firm confidence in the future, then they will give birth. In the meantime, every family has a mortgage and loans, the cost of treatment and tutoring, and with all this, your employer's business is on the verge of ruin ...
    By the way, the Japanese consider the main natural wealth of their country - people ... Someday we must realize this, if only it was not too late ...
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 10 February 2021 13: 25
      +2
      Quote: Doccor18

      By the way, the Japanese consider people to be the main natural wealth of their country ... Someday we must also realize this.

      Yes, they have already realized, though in a particularly perverse form - "people are new oil."
    2. evgen1221
      evgen1221 10 February 2021 18: 28
      0
      Aha, and then, as is customary, to promise does not mean to marry. And housing is far from ice and the car is dead trash, and even if they will give it at all, But under the signed contract you will be obliged to work and not make a sound. Laws do not work for promises to come true and to bear responsibility for what they promise. And without this there will be no yes and no trust in essence (to the state).
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 11 February 2021 06: 36
        0
        Quote: evgen1221
        Aha, and then, as is customary, to promise does not mean to marry. And housing is far from ice and the car is dead trash, and even if they will give it at all, But under the signed contract you will be obliged to work and not make a sound. Laws do not work for promises to come true and to bear responsibility for what they promise. And without this there will be no yes and no trust in essence (to the state).

        No, they give both a house (though you will have to warm it up) and a car (fret, well, don't give a Lexus ...))), there were several who wanted to, but then they evaporated. And it's all to blame for the lack of a future (career growth), low wages, weak infrastructure, etc., etc. But this is not a village, not some kind of wilderness, but people still do not go.
        1. evgen1221
          evgen1221 11 February 2021 10: 18
          0
          Which generally confirms my words. Lexus is understandable for its beautiful eyes and will not give a priest, but the house should be completely habitable without reservations and surcharges. (These are the house, but there you need to do this, this, this is to finish, remake, demolish, build in order to live in it at all and this Without any accounting and help in moving with belongings, don't understand what.) Naturally, a person will think three times, do he need it? to go into the darkness a cockroach, pay from his own people and, allegedly, at the call of the state, for what ideals and in general for what. Having put oneself in the shoes of such a migrant, the question of going not going disappears after the second item of expenses for moving and the expected profit from this. Which suggests that those who are teaching the population to live behind the windows of a tinted limousine are terribly far away. And you yourself will not believe in such people in life. And what fools are the authorities relying on then? Apparently, according to their level of education, they think. Which, in turn, speaks of the strongest systemic crisis in governing the country, which we are witnessing. Japan has no resources at all (forests are minuscule and gravel, lives steeper than the states in fact) and we have everything, but Zimbabwe has bypassed us and soon we will strive for a deliberate limpopo.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 10 February 2021 10: 33
    +5
    while people are in enslaving financial conditions, there can be no talk of any colonization of areas that are difficult to settle.
    How can people live, receiving 15-20k salaries and giving up to 75-85% of taxes from the wage fund?
    How can they live and save with constantly high inflation?
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 11 February 2021 09: 36
    -2
    On the one hand, your truth, you +, and on the other hand, no one knows how it will turn out in the future, maybe Europe will burn out for some reason, you never know idiots in the world, here you have territories for life. And those who do not have such opportunities are gone. laughing After all, no one knows what lies ahead for us or our grandchildren-great-grandchildren. negative
  • Orca
    Orca 13 February 2021 13: 02
    0
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    Where to get people to develop Siberia and the Far East? There are only eight million people there, very few.

    But Gold-domed, in order not to crack at the seams from those who have come in large numbers, will soon begin to build another Moscow Ring Road.
    Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021

    Muscovites are in no hurry to go to Mother Siberia ... lol

    I do not presume to assert anything for Mother Siberia, but in the Far East, in fact, this is far from the case. Where there is at least a little bit of opportunity to snatch something "for oneself beloved", to crush it under oneself, to bankrupt, to lower it, there are Muscovites (some of whom are the same people who have come in large numbers) among the first. Maaskwich - in one word.
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  • Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 10 February 2021 06: 03
    +1
    "In the updated Constitution of the Russian Federation, adopted by a popular vote, it is forbidden to even negotiate the transfer of Russian territories. This is equated to extremism with appropriate punishment.", the Japanese know about it. They also know that at present Russia has a fairly balanced deterrent force on the territory of the Kuril Islands. And it increases these forces as needed. The rest is blah blah. And the fact that the Japanese will be able to seize the Kuriles, albeit in a compartment with the Americans, is generally beyond ... Girkin ordered an article or something ... wink
    1. bad
      bad 10 February 2021 06: 44
      +17
      Quote: Mykhalych
      In the updated Constitution of the Russian Federation, adopted by a popular vote, it is forbidden to even negotiate the transfer of Russian territories. This equates to extremism with appropriate punishment.

      Everything seems to be so. But on such an important issue, legal loopholes were left.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 10 February 2021 06: 11
    +4
    The author shakes the air .. And they need it. Those who are in power? They drum into their heads about the joint use of the Kuril Islands. They say they found a compromise .. And enough to scare the voinoy. The rup dropped to the plinth.
    1. Dzungar
      Dzungar 10 February 2021 08: 59
      -1
      If the authorities “IT WAS NOT NECESSARY FOR THEM”, the Kuril Islands would have been given away long ago. Everything.....
  • Far B
    Far B 10 February 2021 06: 16
    +4
    During the Great Patriotic War, Japan observed neutrality
    Well, let's say their neutrality was rather strange - our ships were regularly captured and even sunk. Provocations at the border, albeit minor ones, were also not uncommon. Another thing is that while the Second World War was going on, the SSSOR could not send a return message - we didn't need a second front. But when the Second World War ended, the response flew in.
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  • Runway
    Runway 10 February 2021 06: 50
    +9
    Somewhere I heard these slogans (production, demography, etc.).
    The head enterprise in Dubna zaps the body of "Radiopribor" under the plinth.
    Families with many children, "received" plots in the forest, cannot start building for themselves ...
    Primorye in 21 years of "rowing" with elementary milk of local production is self-sufficient by 20%.
    Local aviation and road / sea transportation in the corral.
    About the Kuril Islands ...
    At our side, on the islands of Russian and Popov, the level of being is lower than when there were military men there, more than squirrels and ravens (but the new power line was snapped up to the Guberian house).
    What are we dreaming about?
  • Catfish
    Catfish 10 February 2021 07: 41
    +5
    The Soviet Union restored historical justice. Japan was punished for the war of 1904-1905.

    Thanks to the author, to this day I did not suspect that we drowned the Japanese fleet in the Pacific Ocean and destroyed its aircraft. Live and learn! laughing
  • GRIGORIY76
    GRIGORIY76 10 February 2021 07: 51
    +5
    In the updated Constitution of the Russian Federation, adopted by a popular vote, it is forbidden to even negotiate the transfer of Russian territories. This equates to extremism with appropriate punishment.


    Except for demarcation, delimitation, redemarcation with neighboring states. If it presses, they will pass it on.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 10 February 2021 08: 21
    0
    Let our Foreign Ministry advise the Japanese to treat the Kuriles and Sakhalin as a given, as an axiom, like two times two equals four. They will not worry so much and they will keep their health.
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 10 February 2021 08: 41
    -4
    Thus, Japan is already capable of performing a sudden and successful local amphibious operation in the area of ​​the Kuril Islands.


    Call the orderlies. You are welcome.
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 10 February 2021 18: 32
      0
      Lights out to the orderlies. Technically and organizationally, they can both take and defend, because the author directly and said that further there will be political and diplomatic methods of unscrewing eggs by our effective methods and levers of the world pakhanat, and most importantly, the desire to poke around so that the trough remains at our top, this good is in bulk.
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 10 February 2021 08: 44
    -3
    And by the decision of the Big Three, Russia has the right to the northern part of Hokkaido, but the United States dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in order to intimidate Stalin and not give up the position and the agreed upon, that is, Hokkaido. When signing a peace treaty with Japan, the question should be raised of the ownership of the entire Okhotsk coast of Hokkaido to Russia by right, Japan is obliged to transfer these territories occupied by Japan to Russia illegally ..
  • Dzungar
    Dzungar 10 February 2021 08: 57
    -1
    For Japan to forget about the southern Kuriles, Russia needs to talk about Japan's lack of rights to Hokkaido. About how the Japanese captured it and destroyed the local population - the Ains. Revive this nationality and demand the creation of the Ainu People's Republic in Hokkaido
  • Catfish
    Catfish 10 February 2021 09: 05
    +1
    Kuril Islands. Kuril Islands ... Yes, here they are, Kuriles. Look, it's a pity or something. smile soldier
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 10 February 2021 09: 11
    0
    Also, Japan is one of the most powerful economic, industrial and technological powers in the world, capable of multiplying its military and striking power in a short time (from several months to a year).


    Nonsense. Japan has not emerged from the crisis for 30 years, it does not have a self-sufficient military industry, and with a fertility of 1.3 births per woman, which corresponds to Bulgaria, it does not have human reserves, moreover, in a couple of generations it will have people on its own islands. not enough to maintain at least what is.

    Tell tales about the development of Sakhalin by some Chinese whose age pyramid is 20 years behind the Japanese and who do not want to go to their own Amur north, despite all the subsidies, tell in another place. All these citizens had thousands of years to populate Sakhalin up and down.

    And yet, the Americans do not guarantee anything to the Japanese in the Kuril issue.
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 10 February 2021 18: 38
      0
      And no one about the settlement is dense and does not speak of their politicians. Quite the working mining parties will cope with the watch. Plus the habitation of just convenient territories by the sea. It will be enough for the Yapam to have this cross-eye, access to the resources and territories of the continental.
  • tank66
    tank66 10 February 2021 09: 24
    +2
    In 15, I saw myself, talked with three Japanese / seemingly lieutenants / when I was on the fishing season in Aniva Bay. Officially, they were otters / laughed for a long time - I didn't see a single otter there /, they actually walked along the shore. They measured the ebb and flow. under the supervision of our special translator. I made a conclusion for myself - they are still combing ...
    Places for seafood - gorgeous - standing in the sea - crabs are trying to bite off their fingers.
    The Yapas have mastered the south of Sakhalin for 5 years / who is not too lazy - look at the film Karafutu on YouTube /. They were stupidly giving loans at a meager interest of about 50000 dolars per family. Plus a free move with belongings ...
    In 45, we got a bunch of small towns, factories. True, in fifty some there was a tsunami and everything was fucking washed away. The government decided to remove people from there ...
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 10 February 2021 17: 29
      -1
      Yapi mastered the south of Sakhalin in 5 years
      Then the Yapas were beggars and half-starved - they were ready for anything for a piece of land (otherwise where did their diasporas in Brazil come from).
  • Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev 10 February 2021 10: 15
    0
    Biological resources - fishing and seafood.

    This is where the author has gone ... This is the resources of China and Japan since the time of EBN. Without any cost - with the calloused hands of Russian fishermen. And, with such a policy, is it possible to hold the territories for a long time with the help of the Yars and Topols? The vows and assurances of the GDP before the people - we already know what they are worth ... And Russian capital will not get there, because there are no workers, there is no one to exploit ... But porridge is not cooked with the Chinese - they will take everything slowly ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 February 2021 19: 34
      -1
      China fucking does not need our territories all the Chinese go where it is warm and good Kuril Islands Siberia and the Far East do not belong to these places.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 10 February 2021 10: 58
    +2
    Quote: Mykhalych
    They also know that at present Russia has sufficiently balanced deterrent forces on the territory of the Kuril Islands.

    there are no balanced forces there.
    Yes, there is a garrison that cannot be knocked out in a hasty way, but it is too difficult to prevent the naval blockade of the Russian islands without unleashing a nuclear war.
    If anyone does not know, a little more than 4 million live in the Far East, and about 90 in Japan.
    With this ratio, there can be no balance.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 10 February 2021 11: 00
    +3
    Quote: malo
    That's right, so far there is only stimulation of resettlement to Moscow

    yes, there is no incentive to relocate to the MSC.
    The resettlement overhead is quite high.
    just hunger and devastation drives people from their homes to where they can still live and earn money.
  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 10 February 2021 11: 28
    0
    Quote: Far In
    Where to get people to develop Siberia and the Far East?
    In what sense - where to get it? To stimulate the resettlement of residents of the European part of the country to the Far East. as it was done under the USSR and even in Tsarist Russia. If you wish, you can find ways and means (a Far Eastern hectare is not a way or a means, it is a parody of American Homesteads, filed down by our crooked managers). And even better - to finally start working on correcting the demographic situation, otherwise the population density in the European part of the country will soon be comparable to that in the Far East. Over the past two years, the natural decline in the country's population is more than a million! But something tells me that the crooked hands of managers will not be able to master this issue any more. So we will die out completely to ourselves at a military pace. Civil War? Yes, there she is! Receive-sign.


    As an option, I propose to abolish property taxes for the Siberian Federal District and the Far Eastern Federal District. and legal entities, personal income tax, income tax, and all other taxes, except for the mineral extraction tax (mineral extraction tax). Also, in the Siberian Federal District and the Far Eastern Federal District, to introduce benefits for children in the amount of the minimum wage until they reach the age of majority. And the retirement age should be reduced to the previous 55 and 60 years, provided that the citizen has lived and worked in these districts for at least 15 years.
    1. GTYCBJYTH2021
      GTYCBJYTH2021 10 February 2021 15: 40
      -2
      As an option, I propose to abolish property taxes for the Siberian Federal District and the Far Eastern Federal District. and legal entities, personal income tax, income tax, and all other taxes, except for the mineral extraction tax (mineral extraction tax). Also, in the Siberian Federal District and the Far Eastern Federal District, to introduce benefits for children in the amount of the minimum wage until they reach the age of majority. And reduce the retirement age to the previous 55 and 60 years, provided that the citizen has lived and worked in these districts for at least 15 years. [/ Quote]
      And about the NORTHERN work experience you do not know ?! What is this man in 60 years old, as if ordinary Muscovite? winked
  • rudolff
    rudolff 10 February 2021 12: 15
    +2
    Yes, Putin himself periodically throws wood into the fire, declaring his readiness to solve the problem based on the declaration of 56 years. Or our islands or ... You can't be a little pregnant!
  • Suslin
    Suslin 10 February 2021 12: 15
    -2
    The development of transport infrastructure in Siberia and the Far East is a priority issue for the development of territories. Transib and BAM cannot fully provide transport accessibility. And this hinders the industrial development of the territories, and hence the growth of the population. Something like this.
    1. GTYCBJYTH2021
      GTYCBJYTH2021 10 February 2021 15: 43
      -1
      Quote: Suslin
      The development of transport infrastructure in Siberia and the Far East is a priority issue for the development of territories. Transib and BAM cannot fully provide transport accessibility. And this hinders the industrial development of the territories, and hence the growth of the population. Something like this.

      Forest in Siberia, rivers and gas with oil - which plants and factories to build, there are no people, workers ...
  • Ren
    Ren 10 February 2021 12: 18
    +2
    On February 2, 1946, on the territory of the southern part of Sakhalin Island and on the Kuril Islands, annexed to the Soviet Union as a result of the Soviet-Japanese War, the South Sakhalin Region was created. Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk (formerly Toyohara) became the center of the region.

    The author goes overboard in this part, hinting that Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk before 02.02.1946 was previously Toyohara and nothing else (i.e. purely founded by the Japanese), but in fact Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk was founded by Russians in 1882 as settlement of katorzhan Vladimirovka, the name from the personal name "Vladimir", which belonged to the local governor of hard labor. From 1905 to 1945 it was part of Japan under the name Toyohara (i.e. only 40 years old, and only during the Japanese occupation). After the return of the southern part of Sakhalin to the USSR following the results of World War II, by the decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of June 4, 1946, it was renamed into Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk.
  • BAI
    BAI 10 February 2021 15: 45
    +3
    In the updated Constitution of the Russian Federation, adopted by a popular vote, it is forbidden to even negotiate the transfer of Russian territories.

    She does not prohibit anything. Border delimitation and demarcation negotiations can be conducted. And where the new border will lie - don't give a fuck about the Constitution.
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  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 10 February 2021 15: 55
    0
    [quote = GTYCBJYTH2021] As an option, I propose to abolish property taxes for the Siberian Federal District and the Far Eastern Federal District. and legal entities, personal income tax, income tax, and all other taxes, except for the mineral extraction tax (mineral extraction tax). Also, in the Siberian Federal District and the Far Eastern Federal District, to introduce benefits for children in the amount of the minimum wage until they reach the age of majority. And reduce the retirement age to the previous 55 and 60 years, provided that the citizen has lived and worked in these districts for at least 15 years. [/ Quote]
    And about the NORTHERN work experience you do not know ?! What is this man in 60 years old, as if ordinary Muscovite? winked[/ Quote]
    I know about the northern experience because my brother was a military man in the Amur region and retired at 32 as a lieutenant colonel. Another cousin worked in a coal mine on Sakhalin. My aunt is there at the mine. And my uncle was the main power engineer there.

    And you, GTYCBJYTH2021, apparently are not a Siberian, since you do not understand such issues and confuse the Far North with Siberia and the Far East. For you I will explain that the concept of "Far North of Russia" covers the northern part of European Russia, northern Siberia and most of the Far East.

    But personally I live in Barnaul - this is the Altai Territory, and the northern retirement experience does not apply to me. I only had a 15% salary increase when I was in the civil service. But for ordinary employees - not civil servants, even these 15% are fiction. That is why I am talking about not only northerners, but ALL residents of the Siberian Federal District and the Far Eastern Federal District to give a reduced retirement experience. And also to destroy ALL taxes, except for the severance tax.

    Let Siberians not retire at 32 (like my brother), but at 55.
    And let Muscovites retire at 65, either men or women. There must be gender equality.

    Maybe I am not suggesting sufficient measures to increase the attractiveness of Siberia and the Far East. But worth a try. If not enough, add other measures. Suggest.
  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 10 February 2021 16: 01
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    Quote: Suslin
    The development of transport infrastructure in Siberia and the Far East is a priority issue for the development of territories. Transib and BAM cannot fully provide transport accessibility. And this hinders the industrial development of the territories, and hence the growth of the population. Something like this.


    I live in Altai.
    The transport network in Altai is good. But the income is lousy. The average salary in the region is 20 thousand rubles. Yes. People are to blame for agreeing to such small salaries. But in order to correct their guilt before themselves, the inhabitants of Altai leave for European Russia.

    So it's not about transport, but about income. They should be at least tripled. But even so, Moscow cannot be compared. This means that people will still flow from Altai and Siberia as a whole to Moscow. Just slower. But now the people are running away to Moscow like scalded people. For 30 years, Altai has decreased from 2,8 million people. up to 2,3 million people Further, the reduction will go even faster because the first years after the collapse of the USSR, the loss of population in Altai was compensated by the migration of Russians from Central Asia. Now we no longer have Russian migrants from there.
    1. Suslin
      Suslin 10 February 2021 17: 33
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      Are there many industrial enterprises in Altai? It's not about wages, but about new industries based on new technologies. Agriculture and processing of agricultural products will not go far.
  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 10 February 2021 16: 11
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    Quote: sergo1914
    Thus, Japan is already capable of performing a sudden and successful local amphibious operation in the area of ​​the Kuril Islands.


    Call the orderlies. You are welcome.

    Japan has the potential to do this. I have no doubt about it.
    But we have the potential to deliver a nuclear strike against them. But I doubt the presence of the Kremlin's political will to use nuclear weapons against Japan.
    After all, if there is a sudden occupation of the Kuriles by the Japanese, the United States will immediately declare to Russia that it will not tolerate the use of our nuclear weapons against Japan. Then there will be the prospect of a full-fledged exchange of nuclear strikes against the megacities of Russia and the United States. Who has more spirit for this? Russia or the United States? And the Japanese, even if they occupy the Kuriles, will have to do with it.
    If I were the leader of Russia, I would go to the mutual nuclear destruction of Russia and the American bloc. I have such a character.
    What would you do in the event of an attack by Japan if you were the leader of Russia?
    1. clerk
      clerk 10 February 2021 17: 49
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      It's called "watch your hands". Why is the idea imposed that the only alternative to the Japanese invasion of the Kuril Islands is a nuclear strike with the prospect of a full-fledged nuclear war with the United States? Why are potential attacks by conventional weapons on ships, military bases and civilian infrastructure of Japan ignored (power plants (including nuclear power plants), gas and oil terminals, railway hubs, road interchanges, ports, communication lines, etc., etc.) ? Surely this is done on purpose in order to accustom the citizens of Russia to the idea that these islands are not worth a nuclear war and that it is better to give them up in an amicable way. If this is not anti-Russian propaganda, then what is it?
      1. timokhin-aa
        timokhin-aa 11 February 2021 23: 39
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        This is reality. In short. We have as many capabilities for non-nuclear strikes as cruise missiles on bombers.
        That is, for a week of war to the maximum.

        Then everything, there is nothing to get the island.

        Well, or you can list by what means to do everything that you wrote about.
        1. clerk
          clerk 12 February 2021 05: 59
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          We do not need to get the islands - we need to get the infrastructure of Japan itself to make the cost of capturing the islands unacceptable for it. And not so much the military price as the economic one. Japan is strongly tied to infrastructure and maritime trade and is therefore vulnerable to the Kyrgyz Republic. And YS, after prior notification, can be used by despnt connection as soon as it appears in the territorial waters of Russia.
          1. timokhin-aa
            timokhin-aa 12 February 2021 11: 05
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            So I meant the Japanese islands. It’s not the Kuriles for us to wash into dust.

            The equivalent of about a couple of hundred FAB-500s only with wings and engines - that's all we have against Japan in a non-nuclear version.
            1. clerk
              clerk 12 February 2021 11: 21
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              It seems that information flashed on the network, which is several times more, but I will not argue. But even if at least fifty goals are achieved, then with a competent and not bloodthirsty choice of targets (fuel terminals, distribution stations, bridges, flight control systems, etc.), this can still create considerable problems for Japan. Again, Japan is unlikely to be able to organize a surprise attack or capture the islands in a couple of days, which means there will be time for aggravation. If with a surprise strike they try to destroy the fleet and aviation on the mainland of Russia (which is quite realistic), this will untie Russia's hands for practically any action, up to nuclear strikes on Japanese military installations.
              1. timokhin-aa
                timokhin-aa 12 February 2021 11: 30
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                You just don't understand the scale of the problem. Japan has several divisions in Hokkaido, our Kurils can be seen without binoculars, to Sakhalin, where we do not really have troops, dozens of kilometers along the La Perouse Strait, they are many times ahead of us in the speed of troop transfer, the number of ground forces is half of ours, with the mobilization of reservists, which they can secretly - 2/3 of ours and they are all there.
                The Eastern Military District is simply nothing compared to them.
                The surface forces of the Navy - 1,5 of our Navy (if all fleets are counted) and the ships are much better, the ASW aviation is second after the United States, and is capable of interrupting our entire submarine in a theater of operations in a few days.

                This is already the case.
                On the way:
                Three-wing anti-ship missiles for F-2 fighter-bombers, KR for aviation with a launch range just to Vladivostok.
                Airborne capabilities - a mechanized battalion group from the sea and an airborne assault brigade from the air. Tonnage for the rapid transfer of reinforcements behind the first echelon.

                Behind the back of the United States with its nuclear arsenal.

                Should anything happen, the garrison in the South Kuriles will hold out there for several days at most.
                And the question will be to quickly and without escalating the conflict to the intervention of the Americans kick the Japanese out of our territory, without arranging a massacre with millions of killed civilians.

                Are we ready for this? Not.
                1. clerk
                  clerk 12 February 2021 11: 38
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                  No ready. But why are you sure that the Americans are ready for a nuclear war because of Japanese claims to the islands? Information support, the supply of weapons or proxies is one thing, and a completely different thing is direct military intervention in a conflict with a nuclear power (so far there have been no precedents after WWII). Therefore, it is necessary that the islands would hold out for several days, so that Russia would launch attacks on Japanese infrastructure and create economic and social problems. It is Japan that needs a blitzkrieg with minimal costs, while Russia benefits from raising rates and prolonging the conflict.
                  1. timokhin-aa
                    timokhin-aa 12 February 2021 13: 23
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                    No ready. But why are you sure that the Americans are ready for a nuclear war because of Japanese claims to the islands?


                    Do you see who is driving there? This system is losing its relevance. In addition, you need to know the Americans - they can bluff, and when we do not lead to their bluffs, they will go for principle and bring matters to a nuclear war. They more than once approached this line and always the war did not start because we were retreating. And during the Cuban missile crisis, and in the 80s, when they fueled the last round of XB.
                    This is a very real risk with these freaks, they are not at all what our galloping jingoistic patriots think.

                    Therefore, it is necessary that the islands would hold out for several days, so that Russia would start strikes on Japanese infrastructure.


                    And give up the garrisons for slaughter, right? There are no cartridges, but are you holding on there? What if the Japanese DO NOT GIVE UP? This is pure psychology - large one-time losses do not undermine the morale, undermine long-term fruitless losses. It has always been that way.

                    and for Russia it is beneficial to raise rates and prolong the conflict.


                    This wishful thinking on the verge of a diagnosis is simple.
                    1. clerk
                      clerk 12 February 2021 14: 24
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                      1) During the Caribbean, the concessions were mutual. 2) In the 80s there was a pure bluff, we are discussing a specific military attack, this is very different. 3) Why slaughter.? You can calculate the period of possible resistance (let's say a week) after which the commander receives permission to surrender. The Japanese do not need to surrender - they need to be forced to retreat from the islands. 4) Sorry, but these are your proposals for building up and maintaining the Armed Forces grouping in the Far East, which can defeat the Japanese Armed Forces, are practically unrealizable. Therefore, it remains to either give up the islands, or look for an asymmetric answer. PMSM if you cannot surpass the enemy in the speed of deployment or in combat power, then the only answer to the blitzkrieg (it does not matter - German or Japanese) is a protracted war.
  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 10 February 2021 16: 16
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    Quote: Sea Cat
    The Soviet Union restored historical justice. Japan was punished for the war of 1904-1905.

    Thanks to the author, to this day I did not suspect that we drowned the Japanese fleet in the Pacific Ocean and destroyed its aircraft. Live and learn! laughing

    They drowned our fleet, but we took from them Manchuria, Sakhalin and the Kuriles. They also captured hundreds of thousands of Japanese slaves, a quarter of whom died in hard labor in Siberia.
    So we took revenge on the Japanese. Serves them right.
  • clerk
    clerk 10 February 2021 16: 45
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    Stupid propaganda campaign for all good against all bad. Without any military, political, diplomatic or economic analysis of possible threats.
  • Lexus
    Lexus 10 February 2021 17: 00
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    No wonder - the Japanese behave as they are allowed.
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  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 10 February 2021 17: 58
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    Quote: clerk
    It's called "watch your hands". Why is the idea imposed that the only alternative to the Japanese invasion of the Kuril Islands is a nuclear strike with the prospect of a full-fledged nuclear war with the United States? Why are potential attacks by conventional weapons on ships, military bases and civilian infrastructure of Japan ignored (power plants (including nuclear power plants), gas and oil terminals, railway hubs, road interchanges, ports, communication lines, etc., etc.) ? Surely this is done on purpose in order to accustom the citizens of Russia to the idea that these islands are not worth a nuclear war and that it is better to give them up in an amicable way. If this is not anti-Russian propaganda, then what is it?

    In conventional weapons, we are inferior to Japan at times.
    The Japanese will not allow conventional weapons to strike at their own armed forces, at transport hubs. But we will not be able to reflect their blow. And to be convinced of this, take the tables of the troops and armaments of Japan and our Pacific Fleet and Far East Military District. The difference in technology, especially in aviation, surface ships and submarine at times! We have only one argument left - nuclear weapons.
    1. clerk
      clerk 10 February 2021 18: 08
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      The Japanese won't allow it? And who will ask them? The difference is many times? Why do you propose to compare all the armed forces of Japan against only the Pacific Fleet and the Far Eastern Military District? And do you seriously think that the Japanese will try to strike at mainland Russia without the permission of the Americans? This is called propaganda rigging.
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 10 February 2021 18: 56
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        In my opinion, the Japanese do not need to hit massively inland. It is enough to prevent the transfer of troops and equipment along the few communications from the depths of the Russian Federation to the Far East. So you can sit for years until these Russians cut through the taiga. There are few railway lines going there and roads are also from the depths.
        1. clerk
          clerk 10 February 2021 19: 57
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          In the meantime, Russia will strike the Kyrgyz Republic for years on Japanese military and civilian infrastructure.
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  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 10 February 2021 18: 22
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    Quote: clerk
    The Japanese won't allow it? And who will ask them? The difference is many times? Why do you propose to compare all the armed forces of Japan against only the Pacific Fleet and the Far Eastern Military District? And do you seriously think that the Japanese will try to strike at mainland Russia without the permission of the Americans? This is called propaganda rigging.

    They will not allow - in the sense that the Japanese will repel our conventional strikes. They have opportunities. And we have no way of repelling their blow.

    Why am I saying that only our Pacific Fleet and the Far Eastern Military District will go to defend against Japan - this is because our forces in European Russia will be engaged in a war with our European partners. The US will attack Russia with all the forces of its bloc. Therefore, we will not be able to transfer troops from west to east.

    Regarding the permission of the Americans to the Japanese to war with us, I hope this is an important point. Although there are times when the tail wags the dog. Example - Georgia in 2008 attacked Russia without US permission. And Japan can do the same. Moreover, Japan is not weaker than Georgia. And in its theater of operations, Japan is stronger than Russia, with the exception of nuclear weapons.

    Therefore, among the many options for the development of the situation, one cannot but predict the risk of an attack by Japan (and historically they have always attacked suddenly, without warning, meanly, without declaring war). So we need to either reduce social spending and build up conventional weapons in the Far East in a hopeless attempt to catch up with Japan, or we need to establish for ourselves that in the event of a war with them, we will immediately, without talking, hit nuclear weapons in their cities.
    1. clerk
      clerk 10 February 2021 18: 31
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      ... They will not allow - in the sense that the Japanese will repel our conventional strikes. They have opportunities. And we have no way of repelling their blow.
      And the calculation is there?
    2. clerk
      clerk 10 February 2021 18: 40
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      ... After all, if there is a sudden occupation of the Kuriles by the Japanese, the United States will immediately declare to Russia that it will not tolerate the use of our nuclear weapons against Japan. Then there will be a prospect of a full-fledged exchange of nuclear strikes against the megalopolises of Russia and the United States.
      ... Why am I saying that only our Pacific Fleet and the Far Eastern Military District will go to defend against Japan - this is because our forces in European Russia will be engaged in a war with our European partners. The US will attack Russia with all the forces of its bloc. Therefore, we will not be able to transfer troops from west to east.
      ... That is, in the midst of a full-scale (including nuclear) attack by the United States and NATO on Russia, the United States will threaten Russia that it will not tolerate a Russian nuclear response to Japan if it occupies the Kuril Islands? Well, what can I object to - reinforced concrete "logic" laughing
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 10 February 2021 18: 36
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    However, the Japanese elite closely followed the course of the war and was ready to oppose Russia if, during the 1941 campaign, the Germans took Moscow, and in 1941 - Stalingrad.

    Here is what the Japanese themselves wrote about the possibility of war with the USSR in 1942:
    The problem of the bloc of the USSR and America was considered in the light of the possibility of the Soviet Union granting America the right to use bases on the territory of the eastern part of the USSR. It was believed that in this case, a decisive moment would come in the war against Japan. But given the situation that developed at that time, such a possibility was recognized as unlikely. Nevertheless, it was assumed that America, as promises for the future, plans to provide assistance in the construction of air bases on the territory of the Soviet Union.
    (...)
    The Soviet Union will continue to wage a defensive war, will not declare war on Japan and will not provide the Americans with bases on its territory, although this is not ruled out in the future.
    (...)
    The potential for warfare by the Soviet Union is such that even if it lost Moscow and the Caucasus, it could nevertheless wage a defensive war on the Eastern and Western fronts with 200 under-equipped rifle divisions.
    There are human reserves. The military-industrial potential as of this autumn is 50% of the pre-war level. With the loss of the Caucasus, oil production will decline by about 20%, but given the existing reserves, the Soviet Union can freely continue to wage a defensive war. Food difficulties are increasing, but they will not reach the point of causing unrest within the country. Political power remains unshakable, the fighting spirit of the army and the people will remain at the current level in the future.
    © Hattori
    That is, as of 1942, the USSR in Japan was considered a country capable of defending itself even in case of defeat at Stalingrad. Moreover, the Japanese leadership believed that the war with the USSR poses a threat to Japan itself, since in this case the Metropolis is within the radius of bombers from bases in the Far East.
  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 10 February 2021 18: 52
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    Quote: clerk
    ... They will not allow - in the sense that the Japanese will repel our conventional strikes. They have opportunities. And we have no way of repelling their blow.
    And the calculation is there?

    Available in open sources. Calculate and see who has the advantage and who has the ability to hit nodes and strategic points.

    The RF Air Force in the Far East is represented by the 11th Army of the RF Air Force and Air Defense: 96 fighters; 26 tactical bombers; 60 attack aircraft. There are 182 combat aircraft in total. (I do not consider long-range aviation, since it is a carrier of nuclear weapons)

    The Pacific Fleet has 3 SSBNs; 4 MCSPLs; 7 diesel-electric submarines; 1 cruiser; 1 destroyer; 3 frigates; further every little thing of the mosquito fleet such as MRK or SK.

    Japan: 371 combat aircraft; destroyers - 41; frigates - 6; PL 22; UDC - 4. Japan's mosquito fleet is 2-3 times larger than us.

    Our DV is covered by 6 S-300 and S-400 divisions. Japan is covered by Aegis and THAAD.

    In addition, our small forces cover large areas and cannot help each other. And the Japanese superior forces have a high defense density.
    Therefore, we are weaker. This is arithmetic. Our defense against Japan is only nuclear weapons.
  • Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 10 February 2021 20: 25
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    This is when there was a revolution in Ukraine ???
  • Popov I.P.
    Popov I.P. 13 February 2021 22: 55
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    I love to read the creations of all-propals and strategists who have not served in the army for a day. The military potential of the Russian Federation in strategic directions is distributed based on potential military threats, among which the Japanese direction is not a priority. At the same time, the forces of the Russian Federation in the Far East cannot be considered in isolation from the rest of the potential of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, including strategic offensive arms. the adoption of amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation hypothetically had 2 options for our actions: 1. send them once and for all to their Japanese mother and stop any discussion of the question of revising the results of the Second World War; 2. promise to give up the islands on conditions that are clearly unacceptable for Japan (for example, breaking the treaty with the United States and eliminating American military bases in Japan, and vice versa leaving our military facilities and population on the islands), and after refusing our conditions, send again. After the amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, multiplicity has already been ruled out. A purely arithmetic comparison of the economic, technological and military potential of the parties (with a commensurate population of 125 million people: 145 million and incommensurable territories of 377 944 km² (61st in the world): 17 125 191 km² (1st in the world)) nothing in fact, it does not, because each parameter has both advantages and disadvantages for each of the parties. Any military and industrial facility in Japan is within reach of not even strategic, but operational means of destruction, and Japan does not even have medium-range weapons, not to mention strategic and nuclear weapons. Shots across Japan with closed eyes, it doesn't matter if you hit someone or something, given the scanty territory and the gigantic population density. Simply through diplomatic channels, the Japanese side must be warned that in the event of its attack on the Kuril Islands, Sakhalin Island or any other Russian territory, it will receive a response in the form of a strike on decision-making centers and critical infrastructure facilities with all means of destruction available to the Russian Federation. I think this will discourage the desire to make sudden movements. Again, we should not forget that in the Far East, we and Japan have a common neighbor - China, which, given the disputes around all the islands there, certainly does not need Japan to build up territories. But the inviolability of our position on the issue of the Russian sovereignty of the Kuril Islands must be confirmed by the development of the economy of the Far East, investments in transport and military infrastructure, including the construction of a bridge to Sakhalin.