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How the United States fought the "red bear"

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How the United States fought the "red bear"
Reagan, speaking before the British Parliament on June 8, 1982, predicts that “Marxism-Leninism will be thrown into the dustbin stories»


The Achilles' heel of the USSR was found in Washington. They created the illusion of their power, invincibility, and made Moscow believe in its alleged weakness. This was enough to frighten and force the relaxed and decayed Soviet elite to capitulate.

USA on the brink of collapse


As previously noted (How Reagan fought the "evil empire"), America lost to the USSR in the main areas of development - science and breakthrough technologies, education and culture, the moral and psychological state of the population. The West, led by the United States, again faced the prospect of a new Great Depression, a crisis of capitalism. And Soviet civilization was given the opportunity to become the indisputable leader of mankind. The only question was the quality of the Soviet elite, which was accustomed to living in peace and did not want to change anything.

Reagan (President of the United States in 1981-1989) left Bush with a heavy legacy. Government budget deficit, high government debt, boom in land and real estate speculation. Foreign trade deficit, especially in trade with Japan, rising unemployment. Pessimism and decadent sentiments spread in society.

In addition, Reagan was caught in a global scandal known as the Iran-Contra affair. The fact is that in 1979 the Sandinistas seized power in Nicaragua, who were guided by Moscow. The Russians gained a strategic foothold in Central America. Then we began to gain a foothold in El Salvador. Washington "reds" in Nicaragua were not happy. Americans considered Latin America their traditional sphere of influence. Reagan wanted to support the Contra rebels who fought against the Sandinista regime. However, Congress did not want to fund the contras fighters.

Then the Reagan administration came up with a scam. At this time, there was a very cruel and bloody war between Iraq and Iran (1980-1988). Tehran was in desperate need of weapons... However, in Iran in 1979, the Islamic Revolution won, which declared the United States to be the "chief shaitan" of the planet. Iranian revolutionaries even captured American diplomats and held them under arrest for over a year. Then President Carter banned any financial transactions with Tehran.

It was to Tehran that Washington decided to sell weapons for big money. And with the money raised to help the Nicaraguan rebels. All this was done unofficially and in deep secrecy, through commercial structures created by the special services. In 1985, Israel joined the covert operation.

In 1986, an American military transporter carrying cargo for the rebels was shot down over Nicaragua. The surviving pilot was captured and testified. The information appeared in the world press.

Reagan tried to get out, formed a commission to investigate the Iran-Contra case. According to the president, the real purpose of the operation was to establish contacts with "moderate" forces in Iran. All the blame for the fact that the funds went to other purposes was placed on Colonel Oliver North, an employee of the National Security Council, who led the operations against Nicaragua.

The investigation lasted more than six years. The press tried to find out the extent of Reagan's guilt and whether the Bowland amendment, which prohibited the help of the Contras, had been violated. The main witnesses were North, Admiral J. Pointdexter.

One of the main defendants in the Iran-Contra case was the head of the CIA, W. Casey. However, Casey fell seriously ill and died in 1987. North rejected testimony from the presidential administration that he acted on his own. Secretary of State J. Schultz and Defense Minister K. Weinberg reported that they opposed the sale of weapons to the Iranians and did not have all the information about this operation.

The scandal completely disorganized the Reagan "siloviki". The team that organized the strategic offensive against the USSR fell apart. The head of the CIA died, the secretary of defense resigned. The rest were on the defensive, they had no time for the Russians. The Iran-Contra affair has tarnished Reagan's reputation.

Thus, the coming to power of Gorbachev and the "restructuring" of the Warsaw bloc and the USSR simply saved the Reagan regime, the US itself and the West from a severe crisis and a period of decline.


Reagan is holding the Towers Commission's report on the scandal that has erupted. This report alerted the US President to financial fraud and illegal arms trade.

How the red empire was hounded


Reagan and his team attributed the victory over the Red Bear to themselves.

However, this victory was presented to them by Gorbachev and his entourage. Unfortunately, even the American parody of Hitler (a strong and flamboyant leader) was enough to frighten and force the relaxed and decayed Soviet elite to capitulate.

The situation is somewhat reminiscent of the late 1930s. Then Hitler, who was portrayed by the Western press as a "rude guy", an unpredictable, aggressive and brilliant leader, simply intimidated the soft and liberal politicians of France and Britain. They surrendered Czechoslovakia and then Poland without a fight, starting a "strange war." In the hope that the Fuhrer will leave the West alone and go to the East.

In the 1980s, a Hollywood actor played the role of the Fuhrer, and the Gorbachevites played the roles of cowards and traitors.

Moscow at that time was so rotten that literally the illusion of an "invincible" America and the approach of collapse was enough to completely surrender the Soviet civilization and the people.

The USSR seemed to the enemies of an invincible northern empire, a "red bear" that had to be fought with all forces. The best land army in the world. Huge arsenals of quite modern weapons. A powerful military-industrial complex. Advanced science and technology. Industrial, technological and food independence. In general, a disciplined, well-educated people. United Communist Party, no opposition in the country. The Russians were invulnerable in direct confrontation. You can't fight like during the Second World War.

America has relied on the "indirect war" strategy.

They tried to exhaust the USSR with the help of the Afghan war. A third front was created - the Islamic one. At the same time, the "cold" confrontation with the United States and China remained. The massive anti-communist movement in Poland was also supported. The Soviet government spent enormous amounts of money to save the Polish economy, which, through the "skillful" actions of Warsaw, was on the verge of collapse.

The Americans made it so that world oil prices collapsed, leaving Moscow without an influx of foreign exchange. They were able to convince the Europeans to help them. And with the help of sanctions and the introduction of export controls in NATO countries, they blocked the flow of advanced Western technologies to the USSR (technologies for the extraction of hydrocarbons, computers, microelectronics, machine tools, etc.).

Also America began a new arms race, scaring everyone with "Star Wars".

Finding weak points


By crushing Western Europe in 1936-1940, Hitler made excellent use of the enemy's weaknesses. Found their Achilles heel. In fact, the Reagan administration did the same.

In just ten years (1981-1991), the Americans were successful. They forced Moscow to capitulate, sending a haze to the Soviet elite. They created the illusion of their power, invincibility, and made the enemy believe in his alleged weakness.

The advantage of the United States was that it fought the USSR in earnest. They planned to solve the "Russian question".

In Moscow, however, they already believed in "peaceful coexistence", convergence.

The American system had "think tanks" that collected information about the enemy, studied us thoroughly and very carefully. Economy, armed forces, society and culture, psychology of the lower and upper classes. As a result, the American elite knew Russia in many ways better than the then Kremlin.

The Achilles' heel of the USSR was found in Washington.

They paid attention to the development of philistine psychology among the masses and the top of the Union. After Stalin's departure, the Soviet elite abandoned the forced development of society and the country, the creation of a civilization of the future, a society of knowledge of service and creation.

Khrushchev introduced egalitarianism, destroying the healthy hierarchy that began to take shape under the red emperor. When the truly best people of the country (aces pilots, Heroes of the Union and Heroes of Labor, scientists, designers and engineers, teachers and teachers, doctors, highly skilled workers, etc.) became a true Soviet aristocracy.

The incentive for improvement and development was destroyed. The "stagnation" began. The period of Brezhnev's "big deal" at the top and bottom. When ordinary people got the opportunity to rejoice in philistine joys, without rapid development, growth in labor productivity. And the leaders could rejoice at "stability".

The idea is being introduced that everything can be bought in the West (in the Russian Federation they repeated the same mistake).

We will sell oil and buy new technology in Europe. We will buy everything you need. German machines, grain from the USA, Austrian footwear, Finnish household appliances, etc. We switched from shopping to blind copying. The development of computers died under Brezhnev, they switched to copying computers from IBM.

As a result, the late USSR began to rely not on its own strength, but on the purchase or copying of Western developments. Not everywhere and in everything, but to a large extent.

The West realized that if the foreign exchange earnings in the USSR from oil and gas exports were sharply reduced and the channels for the supply of new technologies, machine tools, equipment, consumer goods were closed, then it would be possible to put pressure on Moscow. At the same time, it is necessary to increase Russia's spending on the arms race, aid to the Warsaw Pact countries, Asian and African "brothers", to draw even deeper into Afghanistan, to clash with the Islamic world.

Westernization


The masters of the West were able at this time to carry out a conceptual and informational "occupation" of the consciousness of Soviet society, and especially the top. Westernization of the Soviet elite.

Approximately, as in the Russian Empire, when the noble "Europeans" existed separately from the people. When for them the first language was German, French and English. When they preferred Novgorod and Ryazan - Rome, Venice, Berlin or Paris. They lived and breathed European culture and history.

In particular, if only a limited repertoire of Western cinematography was available to the Soviet people, then party bosses, officials, heads of education and trade departments had the opportunity to view closed films. They were arranged in large cities. The Western way of life has captivated many. The consumer society (the "golden calf") began to displace the faded ideals of revolutionary and military Soviet Russia.

Stalin's ideocracy was destroyed, the "Western devil" came to an empty place, hiding behind the lush clothes of a beautiful life. Many people wanted to live as beautifully and sweetly as the heroes of films, representatives of the upper and middle class in Western Europe and the USA.

The late Union could not offer any alternative, only empty slogans and the dullness of being. Then VCRs came in, and Soviet bosses could watch Western films at home. Pretty women against the background of villas and yachts turned out to be stronger than ballistic missiles.

Year outside the city, the Western way of life first seduced the Soviet elite, and then all the inhabitants.

As a result, a powerful hidden "fifth column" appeared in the USSR, ready to surrender all the achievements of Soviet civilization for a beautiful life.

Also at the same time, a strong belief arose that the USSR / Russia was a hopelessly sick country, incapable of anything worthwhile. That we can only use the advanced achievements of the West and follow in its wake. Everything that comes from the West is the highest truth. It is clear that as soon as the opportunity arose, such people surrendered with squeals of joy, surrendered the country and the people for Western "cookies".

Thus, Western cinema, pop music, fashion, style, etc. - all this became part of the cultural, informational weapon with which they destroyed Great Russia (USSR).

At the time of perestroika, there were already millions of people in the USSR who were thrilled with everything Western, American. They were ready to become second-rate Germans and Americans, just to gain access to the consumption standards in the countries "showcase capitalism." Consume, considering pleasure to be the highest good and human value.

In general, all the same (but at a new stage) has been repeated again in the last 30 years.

Young generations of citizens of the Russian Federation, Ukraine or Belarus are ready to become citizens of the second or third class in the EU countries, the USA, Canada and Australia, just to flee from “this country”. This is a heavy defeat in the conceptual, cultural and information war.

The Gorbachevites surrendered the country for an illusory opportunity to become part of the global elite, to become “masters of life,” owners of capital and property, and to privatize the national heritage.

Millions of ordinary people accepted this change. Hoping for a "beautiful life" by the standards of the "golden billion" countries. Villas, yachts, cars, striptease, beautiful clothes and dozens of varieties of sausages.

The main consequence is the extinction of almost all indigenous peoples of the former USSR. The reason is the absence of creative, life-affirming motives in life and values. Because empty consumption is an unprincipled surrogate, a blind path to disaster.

And the result expected from America is that Russia is again at a broken trough.

Without a new constructive project, without ideals, without a positive image of the future, Russian civilization and all its fragments are doomed to perish during the XNUMXst century.
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 29 January 2021 05: 13
    -5
    The United States made good money on the wreckage of the USSR, got fat, now they want to do the same on the wreckage of Russia. This will not happen.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 29 January 2021 05: 41
      +3
      The Gorbachevites surrendered the country for an illusory opportunity to become part of the global elite, to become “masters of life,” owners of capital and property, and to privatize the national heritage.
      And now it continues ...
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 29 January 2021 08: 31
      +4
      Do not be this.
      Sounds good, only Westerners are still in power.
    3. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 29 January 2021 08: 43
      +6
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      The USA made good money on the wreckage of the USSR

      In the sense of? Scrap metal, or what, survived?
    4. Civil
      Civil 29 January 2021 09: 21
      +1
      Without a new constructive project, without an ideal, without a positive image of the future, Russian civilization and all its fragments are doomed to perish during the XNUMXst century.

      1. Enough for our age.
      2. Children and grandchildren have already been tidied up by the disaster.
      3. Their children are already in the West.
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 29 January 2021 14: 27
        -1
        Children and grandchildren have already been tidied up by the disaster.
        Almost everyone in their youth is carried away by utopian political ideas. But then, the first successes, the first car at the first apartment under the window (on credit / from parents, but still), the first job promotion, and the moderate conservative is ready. I talked a lot about this with my Tory friends in the pub when it was open. and the bulk (especially the bulk) -their leader did not give them anything but problems, on their necks he tried to enter paradise, but do they need it? Political pedophilia is a dead end.
        1. Civil
          Civil 29 January 2021 15: 05
          +1
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          Children and grandchildren have already been tidied up by the disaster.
          Almost everyone in their youth is carried away by utopian political ideas. But then, the first successes, the first car at the first apartment under the window (on credit / from parents, but still), the first job promotion, and the moderate conservative is ready. I talked a lot about this with my Tory friends in the pub when it was open. and the bulk (especially the bulk) -their leader did not give them anything but problems, on their necks he tried to enter paradise, but do they need it? Political pedophilia is a dead end.

          Tell the main thing - you can indulge in hopes as much as you like, come up with propaganda clichés, but 70-80-year-olds will never understand 18-25 youth and will not be able to retain power without winding the guts of the disgruntled on tank tracks. But here is the problem, the troops are also restless. How will you react when they kill and maim your friends on October Square?
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 29 January 2021 15: 11
            0
            Tell the chief
            Who is this for? belay
            70-80 year olds
            From personal experience, a 40 year old man (I sad ) 18-25 year olds also do not understand at all. But I do not think that the truth is spoken through their lips (especially when others put "truth" into these lips)
            1. Civil
              Civil 29 January 2021 15: 32
              -1
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              From personal experience, a 40-year old man (me) 18-25 years old also does not understand at all. But I do not think that the truth is spoken by their lips (especially when others put "truth" into these lips)

              Well, someone put "truths" into your head, since you found yourself in such a position ... and you perfectly understand the youth)) don't be cunning, the ability to maintain an image is also a sign of intelligence)
              1. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 29 January 2021 16: 12
                +1
                youth you perfectly understand
                I don’t understand the charm of listening to a sound recording of a swearing black man with an accent similar to flatulence. I don’t understand why you need to spend a thousand euros on a phone when you can buy a pistol (in your native Latvia). I also don’t understand the beauty and convenience of skinny jeans and seeing some kind of cock (not a bird) online. That is, more likely no than yes. I fished out my truths from the flow of information and appropriated without anyone's help. As a result, from the Soviet vselyub, he became a legal nationalist sad And they will run after the sisyan jamb until they grow up.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 30 January 2021 14: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: Bolt Cutter
                  As a result, from the Soviet vselyub, he became a legal nationalist

                  Healthy conservatism is primarily a sign of having a mind. But now many in Russia have become legal-nationalists - they got it, as they say. So you are not alone in this.
  2. Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 29 January 2021 05: 15
    +3
    Apples and uncle in Kiev.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 29 January 2021 08: 16
      +1
      Quote: Mykhalych
      Apples and uncle in Kiev.

      Exactly: it was Reagan who made it so that a THIRD of already low yields went under the snow and in the mud, that 70% of the labor in animal husbandry in 1989 ... was manual, that a third of the cattle herd died of hunger (for the provision of feed is 50%) that by 1989 HALF of the settlements in Russia had disappeared, 1 million houses were abandoned, and millions of hectares of agricultural land were overgrown with forest (there is no one to work), etc.

      This is where America lost to us and we became leaders:
      author: America lost to the USSR in the main directions of development And the Soviet civilization got the opportunity to become the indisputable leader of mankind.
      ? belay
      Author:
      blocked the flow of advanced Western technologies to the USSR

      I didn't understand: what advanced Western technologies, when America, according to the author, was losing to us?
      The "stagnation" began. When common people got the opportunity to enjoy the bourgeois joys

      By the way, it was precisely these "philistine" joys that the Bolsheviks promised people back in 1917 more food. housing, clothing, and feeding the newspapers "Pravda" nobody asked.

      In the West, they understood if the currency receipts in the USSR were sharply reduced

      So it was possible not to spend (save) many billions of dollars for the purchase of grain, meat, meat products, butter, sugar, etc., but the country with the world's largest arable land, meadows and pastures could not do this at home.

      And where does ... Reagan?belay request
      1. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 29 January 2021 14: 28
        -1
        Exactly: it was Reagan who made it so that a THIRD of already low yields went under the snow and in the mud, that 70% of the labor in animal husbandry in 1989 ... was manual, that a third of the cattle herd died of hunger (for the provision of feed is 50%) that by 1989 HALF of the settlements in Russia had disappeared, 1 million houses were abandoned, and millions of hectares of agricultural land were overgrown with forest (there is no one to work), etc.

        I look at your hypertrophied abstract Denisova has become a reference book laughing

        Show, please, where it is possible to trace this 30% death of cattle from hunger on the graph.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 30 January 2021 10: 47
          -1
          Quote: Nefarious skeptic
          I look at your hypertrophied abstract Denisova has become a reference book
          I recommend you this scientific monograph instead of the reports of the Central Committee of the Soviet Union, according to which we rolled more and more in oil.
          Quote: Nefarious skeptic
          Please show me where you can trace this 30% death of a cat from hunger on the graph.


          This is impossible on this graph, because there are not enough vertical values.

          Don't you understand this either? request

          1. ccsr
            ccsr 30 January 2021 14: 14
            -3
            Quote: Olgovich
            I recommend you this scientific monograph

            Do you already rule out the obscurity of the author of the monograph? Can I study several monographs and textbooks - for objectivity?
            Quote: Olgovich
            This is impossible on this graph, because there are not enough vertical values.
            Don't you understand this either?

            Don't wag - everything is clear from the schedule. Come up with another excuse.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 30 January 2021 20: 26
              -1
              Quote: ccsr

              Do you already rule out the obscurity of the author of the monograph? Can I study several monographs and textbooks - for objectivity?

              It is possible and necessary, for example, Beznin's monograph "Peasant yard"
              Quote: ccsr
              Don't wag - everything is clear from the schedule. Come up with another excuse.

              I repeat, since it did not reach: third cattle herds perished annually
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 31 January 2021 12: 26
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                Quote: Olgovich
                I repeat, since it didn’t come: a third of the cattle herd perished annually

                Who told you that the wounded cattle were not slaughtered and meat was not sent for processing? In the private sector, it was pretty often, and it was not in vain that zootechnicians worked on farms.
                By the way, from what statistics it is known that a third of the deaths - educate. And then we have literate people, the lamb will be killed on the anniversary, and then they say the wolves stole. Himself in the suburbs with his friends bought a young lamb for barbecue from a shepherd for forty rubles, and go figure out how then the shepherd dodged - I don't know ...
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 31 January 2021 13: 00
                  +1
                  Quote: ccsr
                  By the way, from what statistics it is known that a third of the deaths - educate.

                  From the conscience: the monograph by L. Denisova "The Vanishing Village of Russia"
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 31 January 2021 14: 37
                    -1
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    From the conscience: the monograph by L. Denisova "The Vanishing Village of Russia"

                    There was such Volkogonov, so he even published books about the Great Patriotic War, but I do not believe him, because he is a swindler. I am not making generalizations, but I think that it is difficult to judge from a monograph alone - this is still not a consolidated opinion of a team of scientists in the publication of the Academy of Sciences dealing with issues of our history.
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 31 January 2021 19: 06
                      +1
                      Quote: ccsr
                      There was such Volkogonov, so he even published books about the Great Patriotic War, but I do not believe him, because he is a swindler.

                      and I don't believe him for the same reason
                      Quote: ccsr
                      I am not making generalizations, but I think that it is difficult to judge from a monograph alone - this is still not a consolidated opinion of a team of scientists in the publication of the Academy of Sciences dealing with issues of our history.

                      this is a 200-page monograph with 500 references to the works of scientists, statistical collections, archives, etc.

                      You can also read the monograph of the excellent Vologda scientist M. Beznin "The Peasant Yard in the Russian Non-Black Earth Region"
                  2. nickname7
                    nickname7 April 18 2021 18: 14
                    0
                    Disappearing village of Russia

                    This is nothing more than urbanization, that is, the resettlement of villagers to cities. World phenomenon.
                    Recently, it has become fashionable when the townspeople are touched by the countryside and urge others to live in the villages, but they themselves do not want to go there.
          2. Foul skeptic
            Foul skeptic 1 February 2021 11: 07
            -1
            This is impossible on this graph, because there are not enough vertical values.
            Don't you understand this either?

            This graph is more than enough to understand what this is:
            I repeat, since it didn’t come: a third of the cattle herd perished annually

            fantasy, to say the least.
            And move down to the fact that the intervals are five years, and not annual - childish. Anyone understands that biological restoration of the population is impossible under such conditions - the heifer is sent for insemination only six months later, and after that, about 10 more months will pass before the offspring appears. But if you continue to persist, then show where you can track this 30% death of cattle from hunger on the weather chart.

            I also added a line with the slaughter of livestock, in order to prevent in advance attempts to move out on the fact that they simply stopped slaughtering livestock, therefore, the fall is not visible in the livestock (data from the source that Denisova also used in her work, if that).
            1. Foul skeptic
              Foul skeptic 1 February 2021 11: 28
              0
              only six months later

              amendment - one and a half years
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 1 February 2021 12: 19
              +1
              Quote: Nefarious skeptic
              fantasy, to say the least.

              This is an established FACT
              Quote: Nefarious skeptic
              ... Anyone understands that biological restoration of the population is impossible under such conditions - the heifer is sent for insemination only six months later, and after that, about 10 more months will pass before the offspring appears. But if you continue to persist, then show where you can track this 30% death of cattle from hunger on the weather chart.

              belay lol You don’t understand what constitutes the total increase? From the DIFFERENCE between offspring and loss.

              What's not clear?!
              1. Foul skeptic
                Foul skeptic 1 February 2021 18: 00
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                You don’t understand what constitutes the total increase? From the DIFFERENCE between offspring and loss.
                What's not clear?!

                I know it. Just what do you mean by that? That the annual 30% loss (excluding slaughter) is covered by offspring? You are the original. I explain on my fingers:
                We take any year, it doesn't matter. Let it be 1985. Livestock of cattle - 121 million heads (cows - 43,6 million).
                The annual loss of the herd approved by you, excluding the planned slaughter, is 30% or 121 * 0,3 = 36,3 million heads. That is, so much our cows have to give birth during the year to reach at least the same number of livestock. The "service life" of a cow is 12 years, that is, there are cows in the herd of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 years old. In a mature herd, these shares are comparable. Cows (0..1) years have not yet been involved in production, cows have not been involved in production for 12 years. Therefore, not all of our 43,6 million are involved in reproduction, but 1-1 / 12-1 / 12 = 10/12 = 5/6 of this number, or 43,6 * 5/6 = 36,3 million cows. At the same time, 30% of this number fell this year, which means it could not give birth. That is, 36,3 * (1-0,3) = 25,4 million cows remain for reproduction. And these 25,4 million cows must bring 36,2 million calves per year so that we can reach the 1986 livestock of 120,9 million heads. That is, there should be 100 / (36,2 / 43,6 * 12 + 0,7) * 25,4 = 100 calves per 130 cows per 100 cows.
                In terms of - 43,6 / 12 * 0,7 - this is the proportion of surviving cows in the age group of 12 years, since they are still cows, not heifers.
                Here is such a litter
                130 calves per 100 cows

                will compensate for the loss of livestock in 30% of the livestock.
                Here is just a theoretical maximum - 104 calves per 100 cows (the probability of twins is 2-4%). And the practical figures are even lower, since some of the cows are barren, some of the calves die and other factors. Agricultural producers fill out form 24-CX for Rosstat. Here are the real indicators of the average litter for the Russian Federation:
                2014 - 77 calves per 100 cows
                2015 - 78 calves per 100 cows
                2016 - 78 calves per 100 cows
                2017 - 77 calves per 100 cows
                Even in breeding plants, this figure is below 100.
                And we adopted the option without the planned slaughter of cattle.
                In your favorite work, the author herself calls the average annual loss due to mortality in the second half of the 80s in 1,9 million heads in collective / state farms, as something out of the ordinary, which even the government had to admit to official statistics ( page 74). So the decline of 1,9 million is 3,3-3,5% of the livestock of those years. From the same 24-CX form, you can see that the current mortality loss for cattle is:
                2014 - 3%
                2015 - 2,7%
                2016 - 2,9%
                2017 - 2,6%
                Therefore, it is possible to assume a real situation that the mortality increased by 30% in some years, but not that 30% of the herd died annually. That's bullshit.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 1 February 2021 19: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  Therefore, not all of our 43,6 million are involved in reproduction, but 1-1 / 12-1 / 12 = 10/12 = 5/6 of this number, or 43,6 * 5/6 = 36,3 million cows. At the same time, 30% of this number fell this year, which means it could not give birth. That is, 36,3 * (1-0,3) = 25,4 million cows remain for reproduction.

                  Nonsense: the death, first of all, goes precisely among those who DO NOT produce, among the old and calves.

                  Isn't even that clear? belay
                  1. Foul skeptic
                    Foul skeptic 2 February 2021 13: 21
                    -1
                    It is not clear to you that no matter how you distribute these common 30% of mortality among age groups, you will still end up with figures within the margin of error from the above. Since if even 75% (put any number) of non-producing young animals die, the situation will be worse, because the rest of the cows next year will have to give birth even more than 130 calves per 100 cows, to cover the difference in the reduced PRODUCING stock, since not 30% of the young will be lost for production, but 75%.
                    Again, using specific numbers from the 24-CX reference:
                    In 2015, 106 calves died. As I wrote above, the death rate in the herd this year is 619% (2,7% are calves (as a percentage of the offspring, 1,9%), 4,7% are adults). We increase it to 0,8%. Then the calves will die 30 109 * 619 / 30 = 2,7 1 217 heads (half of the bull, half of the heifers). A total of 988 calves were born this year according to the certificate. That is, the loss of young stock in the litter will be 2% (and not 280% on average for the herd). Instead of 918%.
                    Our cows are only 1 / 0,78 of the calves born (since 100 calves are born per 78 cows). That is, cows 2 / 280 = 918 cows. Adult producing cows will die 0,78 2 954 * (254 * 2 / 954 / 254) = 30 0,8 head or 2,7% of the cow population.
                    In total, a year later we have 2 954 254 - 608 994 cows (heifers died) + 531 465 (heifers left alive) - 262 600 (cows died) = 2 614 125 heads. But these 531 surviving heifers will not give birth next year, but only a year later. Therefore, the REPRODUCING herd for the next year is 465 2 082 individuals. And it is necessary to give birth so that the herd does not decrease 660 + 2 * 280 = 918. Or 2 calves per 262 cows.
                    Why is it impossible for 100 cows to give birth so much to you already written above. And we do not take the selection of gobies and barnyards for slaughter. No matter what dances with a tambourine you are satisfied with, you cannot refute the fact that with a 30% annual death rate it is impossible to reproduce the livestock. You cannot argue against nature and mathematics.
                    You are also quoted above from the book itself (page 74) figures for the RSFSR - 1,9 million (3,3-3,5% of the RSFSR livestock). Show me the page of the book where it is written about
                    a third of the cattle herd perished annually
  3. Crowe
    Crowe 29 January 2021 05: 19
    +11
    The Achilles' heel of the USSR was found in Washington.

    Found and bought inexpensively the fifth comprador column, headed by Gorbachev.
    1. apro
      apro 29 January 2021 05: 25
      +3
      Quote: Crowe
      Found and bought inexpensively the fifth comprador column, headed by Gorbachev.

      Bought ??? themselves wanted to sell. A bright future for everyone on a secured present for themselves.
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 29 January 2021 05: 45
      +5
      Quote: Crowe
      Found and bought

      I sold myself
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 29 January 2021 08: 47
        +4
        Gorbachev sold out for food.

        As Samsonov writes there,
        Soviet civilization was given the opportunity to become the indisputable leader of mankind

        How interesting.
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 29 January 2021 06: 07
      +6
      Quote: Crowe
      Found and bought inexpensively the fifth comprador column, headed by Gorbachev.

      Let's honestly admit that the HMS was not just a member of the Politburo ... However, like the EBN, he climbed onto the podium with a party card, then onto a tank with the help of henchmen, and then into the Kremlin.
      Without a new creative project, without ideals, without a positive image of the future, Russian civilization and all its fragments are doomed to perish during the XNUMXst century.

      The main thing is not to pass the line of no return ...
    4. paul3390
      paul3390 29 January 2021 11: 57
      +3
      You didn't have to look for her. The bourgeois elite of the USSR itself was looking for options for how to sell the state more profitably and share the booty. Actually, exactly what happened, from which all the classics and founders warned us. Why this happened is a separate question.
      But the fact itself is important - the Americans agreed to buy the USSR for one single reason - socialism at that time was WINNING the competition with the West.
  4. apro
    apro 29 January 2021 05: 22
    +7
    Samosonov ??? very specific reading ... only for acquaintance with the trends of Vedic culture.
    But seriously, the internal enemy is multiple times more terrible than the external.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 29 January 2021 05: 40
      +1
      Oh, don't say ... January 23 it appeared in all its glory .... just please don't mention Russians here again.
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 29 January 2021 11: 59
      +2
      internal enemy is more terrible than external

      Because social elevators should work successfully not only up, but also down. Until the very execution basement for the most distinguished ..
  5. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 29 January 2021 05: 44
    -1
    Well, how else is life after all this labeled (I can't find words, all obscenities) in Germany.
    Such a country was destroyed and faded
    Mercader is not enough for him
    1. apro
      apro 29 January 2021 05: 46
      +2
      Quote: Lipchanin
      Mercader is not enough for him

      And today there is IVS Stalin ???
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 29 January 2021 05: 48
        -4
        Quote: apro
        And today there is IVS Stalin ???

        For this, no Stalin is needed.
        A man is needed with solid faberge
        1. apro
          apro 29 January 2021 05: 55
          0
          Quote: Lipchanin
          A man is needed with solid faberge

          And why? In the name of what? It doesn’t matter? If today in the name of what the hunchback was destroying the USSR. Is the state ideology of the Russian Federation, and to kill out of personal hostile motives. Is a crime.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 29 January 2021 05: 57
            -3
            Quote: apro
            But why?

            The traitor must be punished
            in the name of what?

            In the name of Justice
            And ideology has nothing to do with it
            1. apro
              apro 29 January 2021 06: 15
              -1
              Quote: Lipchanin
              The traitor must be punished

              Whom did he betray ??? thoughtless Russian Wishlist ??? do not forget Lipchanin. Russians themselves abandoned the USSR. They themselves threw party tickets. They themselves went to demonstrations against the USSR. 1991 showed it.
              Quote: Lipchanin
              In the name of Justice

              For all the good with all the bad? Everyone has their own justice.
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 29 January 2021 06: 25
                +3
                Quote: apro
                Whom did he betray ???

                Homeland. People
                the Russians themselves renounced the USSR.

                The referendum voted for the preservation of the USSR.
                Finally, the USSR was destroyed by another "faithful Leninist"
                threw membership cards themselves

                All citizens in the USSR were members of the CPSU?
                We kind of talk about the Soviet people, not only about the Russians
                themselves went to demonstrations against the USSR. 1991 showed it.

                People fooled by Gorbachev's propaganda
                everyone has their own justice

                Justice is one. Evil must be punished.
                And the betrayal of your homeland, your people is evil
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                  1. kalibr
                    kalibr 29 January 2021 08: 31
                    0
                    Quote: apro
                    The Soviet civilizational path made very high demands on the population, and very many did not like it.

                    That's it!
                    1. Cherry Nine
                      Cherry Nine 29 January 2021 08: 48
                      +7
                      Again, the people are not the same, but what are you going to do!
                      1. kalibr
                        kalibr 29 January 2021 08: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        Again, the people are not the same, but what are you going to do!

                        And where is his "one" to find? Here's the problem! It's about what is! Was everyone in the 20s Pavel Korchagin, and in 41 Oleg Koshev? And in 61st, not everyone flew into space with Gagarin. Is not it so?
                      2. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 29 January 2021 08: 53
                        +2
                        Quote: kalibr

                        And where is his "one" to find?

                        In North Korea, everything is right with the people.
                      3. kalibr
                        kalibr 29 January 2021 13: 08
                        +3
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        In North Korea, the people are all right

                        Oh, don't, that's not necessary. Well, they are running from there to the South, and they are forcing the same way ... as they were forcing with us. And they drink ... there is a photo on the Network of North Korean men under the chauffeur. Here read ... https: //topwar.ru/28459-kto-kak-i-pochemu-bezhit-iz-severnoy-korei-v-yuzhnuyu.html
                      4. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 30 January 2021 00: 47
                        0
                        Quote: kalibr
                        there is a photo on the Network of North Korean men under the shove.

                        This is Kubrick filming in Hollywood.
                      5. kalibr
                        kalibr 30 January 2021 08: 44
                        0
                        And Trump wrote this when he was president: https://topwar.ru/28459-kto-kak-i-pochemu-bezhit-iz-severnoy-korei-v-yuzhnuyu.html
        2. kalibr
          kalibr 29 January 2021 08: 31
          +1
          "When ordinary people got the opportunity to rejoice in philistine joys." What else do ordinary people need? There would be vodka, and a sip of vodka ... there would be a hat, a coat of drape. Look at the data on alcohol consumption in the USSR in 1975 ... including babies.
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 29 January 2021 16: 07
            +2
            Quote: kalibr
            What else do ordinary people need? There would be vodka, and a sip of vodka ... there would be a hat, a coat of drape.
            When an honest worker, teacher, doctor, policeman, ordinary communist see that trade workers, party bosses, various swindlers and bribe-takers have more beautiful clothes and houses, they have cars and they crack from a food basket, and their wives have 10 fingers on their hands for there are not enough gold rings, but the government rubs them daily that they live in a society where everyone has according to their work, how should they treat their conscientious work? After all, he brings joy when he is for the good of the whole society, and not a small part of it, where they "did not go out with their snouts." People saw that over the years this gap only widened, and this caused apathy and disgust, anxiety for the future of their children. Hence the drunkenness. Hence the indifferent attitude towards the Emergency Committee, and for many - gloating, misunderstanding of what could be much worse. We would be ashamed of our "sip of vodka."
            1. kalibr
              kalibr 29 January 2021 16: 11
              +2
              Quote: sniperino
              When an honest worker, teacher, doctor, policeman, ordinary communist see that trade workers, party bosses, various swindlers and bribe-takers have more beautiful clothes and houses, they have cars and they crack from a food basket, and their wives have 10 fingers on their hands for there are not enough gold rings, but the government rubs them daily that they live in a society where everyone has according to their work, how should they treat their conscientious work? After all, he brings joy when he is for the good of the whole society, and not a small part of it, where they "did not go out with their snouts." People saw that over the years this gap only increased, and this caused apathy and disgust, anxiety for the future of their children. Hence the drunkenness. Hence the indifferent attitude towards the Emergency Committee, and for many - gloating, misunderstanding of what could be much worse.

              Everything is just like that. But what were they all named by you drank with grief, right? Judging by the amount of drinking, the grief was universal and deep!
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 29 January 2021 16: 24
                0
                Quote: kalibr
                the grief was universal and deep!
                They drink not only out of grief. And for some reason the Soviet drunkard evokes in me more compassion than today's drug addict. Is he more understandable, though he himself is not a drinker. Maybe because the government is more honest.
              2. kalibr
                kalibr 29 January 2021 17: 53
                +1
                Quote: sniperino
                They drink not only out of grief. And the Soviet drunk for some reason causes more compassion in me than

                That is, we drank a lot both with grief and joy? What am I talking about? Only that there is too much for a happy country building the best society in the world ..
              3. sniperino
                sniperino 29 January 2021 18: 11
                +1
                Quote: kalibr
                drank with grief and joy?
                Reductio ad absurdum (apagogy). They drink excessively, because they do not want or cannot look at this world with sober eyes.
              4. kalibr
                kalibr 29 January 2021 18: 21
                +1
                In any case, they are not suitable for the role of highly moral builders of communism, are they? After all, this began with this, look ...
              5. sniperino
                sniperino 29 January 2021 19: 06
                +1
                Quote: kalibr
                In any case, they are not suitable for the role of highly moral builders of communism
                Are you talking about it?
                Quote: apro
                The Soviet civilizational path made very high demands on the population, and very many did not like it.
                If the authorities make high demands on the people, then they must make much higher demands on themselves. NIV, it was the oblivion of this maxim by Khrushchev and his successors that led to corruption (in particular, to drunkenness), but not the demands themselves and not the desire for simple philistine joys.
              6. sniperino
                sniperino 29 January 2021 19: 20
                0
                Quote: sniperino
                receivers
                pre
  • tatra
    tatra 29 January 2021 07: 12
    -1
    That's right, the enemies of the communists lack the concept of betrayal, because all the enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR are mental traitors to their country and people, those who believed them, each other. Your "Liberator" Gorbachev, enemies of the communists, betrayed the country that was entrusted to him, surrendered the country and the people to their external and internal enemies and criminals, and betrayed and slandered the party that entrusted the country and the people to him. I often write "The Liberator" of the enemies of the Communists Gorbachev, because during Perestroika and in the early 90s, the enemies of the Communists still had something of Soviet moral education, and they thanked "Gorbachev gave us freedom", "Yeltsin gave us freedom" , and then their real nature as traitors took over, and they began to plant their benefactors Gorbachev and Yeltsin on us, supporters of real, by conviction, communists "and they are not ours, they are your communists."
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 29 January 2021 13: 12
      +2
      That is, neither the Octobrists, nor the pioneers, nor the Komsomol raised any of them. And the party too ... So many organizations and that's it ... down the drain!
  • Bar1
    Bar1 29 January 2021 08: 22
    +3
    Quote: apro
    do not forget Lipchanin. The Russians themselves abandoned the USSR.


    don't lie, don't lie, when did the Russians abandon the USSR?

    Quote: apro
    themselves went to demonstrations against the USSR.


    this is some kind of arctic fox. People came out against the CPSU, as a party, which completely DISCREDITED itself, and not against the USSR. ferstein?
    Later, all kinds of nerus-Ukrainian and Balts came out against the USSR.
    1. apro
      apro 29 January 2021 08: 28
      -4
      Quote: Bar1
      don't lie, don't lie, when did the Russians abandon the USSR?

      There is such a day in the calendar ... the day of independence was called. Today it was corrected. Day of the Russian Federation.
      Quote: Bar1
      People came out against the CPSU, to

      The CPSU is the ideological backbone of the USSR, and if it is against the CPSU, then it is also against the USSR.
      1. Bar1
        Bar1 29 January 2021 08: 48
        +2
        Quote: apro
        There is such a day in the calendar ... the day of independence was called. Today it was corrected. Day of the Russian Federation.


        and what do you want to say? That since there is a stupid "independence day" appointed by someone who is not clear, it means that Russians are against the USSR?
        The USSR is a BIG Russia. And the Russians lived from time immemorial both in the Caucasus and in Central Asia, the Cossacks, and in the Baltic States, the Latgalians are Russians, and even more so in the ukraine. And by the way, and Poland, and in Finland, and in Manchuria.

        Quote: apro
        The CPSU is the ideological backbone of the USSR, and if it is against the CPSU, then it is also against the USSR.


        It is not necessary to drive the tulka. Even at congresses the people always sat separately, the CPSU was separate on the stage.
        The people in the 90s already could not stand this snickering party, and the party itself, when a wave rolled in the press against it, did not even want to defend itself, i.e. everything was in the same place - in this party it was planned.
        1. apro
          apro 29 January 2021 08: 55
          -3
          Quote: Bar1
          That once there is a stupid "independence day" appointed by someone who knows

          You are harsh about a public holiday. And it is clear who and who was used by the people. The day of leaving the USSR.
          Quote: Bar1
          The people in the 90s already could not stand this snickering party.

          And you say ... for the USSR ...
          1. Bar1
            Bar1 29 January 2021 08: 57
            +4
            Quote: apro
            The people in the 90s already could not stand this snickering party.

            And you say ... for the USSR ...


            how can you talk to such? They lie out of the blue. I'm talking about the party, and he goes to the people?
          2. apro
            apro 29 January 2021 09: 08
            -2
            Quote: Bar1
            I'm talking about the party

            And the party is not made of the flesh of the people ???
          3. Bar1
            Bar1 29 January 2021 09: 09
            +2
            Quote: apro
            Quote: Bar1
            I'm talking about the party

            And the party is not made of the flesh of the people ???


            it's good to blunt already.
          4. apro
            apro 29 January 2021 09: 16
            -1
            Quote: Bar1
            it's good to blunt already.

            Bar.Soviet (communist) and Russian. These are different ways of development of the territory of the Russian Federation ??? I would like a constructive answer.
          5. Bar1
            Bar1 29 January 2021 09: 24
            +2
            Quote: apro
            Bar.Soviet (communist) and Russian. These are different ways of development of the territory of the Russian Federation ??? I would like a constructive answer.


            How did you fall from the moon?
            The party is NOT the people. And the more not the Russian people. The interests of the Russians and the party did not coincide.
            The Russians are that big people, or, as Samsonov says, the super-ethnos from which ALL other peoples were created
            An example is uk_ry. Either there were Cherkasy-Cossacks, there were Circassians, or there were Cossacks, there were Kazakhs, there were Latgalians / Russians, there were Latvians. Everything is replaced. And these things - the creation of peoples was engaged not only in Ingushetia, but also the Bolshevik party - do not confuse with the USSR.
            For example, read Stalin's speech at the 10th Congress of the RKPb
            http://grachev62.narod.ru/stalin/t5/t5_04_2.htm
          6. apro
            apro 29 January 2021 09: 32
            -3
            Quote: Bar1
            The interests of the Russians and the party did not coincide.

            So Bar. Approached the essence of the issue. For the Russians of the USSR. This is a foreign and hostile entity. Proceeding from your logic. And the destruction of the USSR did not affect the interests of Russians. But on the contrary gave an impetus to Russian development. Discarded unnecessary and harmful communist attitudes and rules. The only thing is that You are saddened by the loss of territories. I understand correctly, the loss of the opportunity to exploit.
          7. Bar1
            Bar1 29 January 2021 09: 45
            0
            Quote: apro
            based on your logic. and the destruction of the USSR did not affect the interests of Russians. On the contrary, it gave impetus to Russian development.


            no, I see you have one gyrus and you will not turn off it.
          8. apro
            apro 29 January 2021 09: 48
            0
            Quote: Bar1
            no, I see you have one gyrus and you will not turn off it.

            Okay, sound your gyrus.
          9. Bar1
            Bar1 29 January 2021 09: 50
            +1
            Quote: apro
            Quote: Bar1
            no, I see you have one gyrus and you will not turn off it.

            Okay, sound your gyrus.


            already said.
          10. apro
            apro 29 January 2021 09: 57
            -1
            Quote: Bar1
            already said.

            As I understand it, you stand on the positions of Russian nationalism, a bourgeois wing, a supporter of the Russian world, so to speak ...
          11. Bar1
            Bar1 29 January 2021 09: 58
            +3
            Quote: apro
            Quote: Bar1
            already said.

            As I understand it, you stand on the positions of Russian nationalism, a bourgeois wing, a supporter of the Russian world, so to speak ...


            I take the position of historical truth, and it is from the point of view of history that I speak.
          12. apro
            apro 29 January 2021 10: 01
            +1
            Quote: Bar1
            I take the position of historical truth, and it is from the point of view of history that I speak.

            Bar. No need to twist a loop. Can you hear a clear definition of your truth? Or is it the worst Russian truth?
          13. Bar1
            Bar1 29 January 2021 10: 10
            +1
            be clear about the question?
          14. apro
            apro 29 January 2021 10: 16
            -1
            On the basis of what ideology to develop the territory of the Russian Federation.
          15. Bar1
            Bar1 29 January 2021 10: 25
            0
            if this is a question, then according to the law of the Russian language it is necessary to put a question mark.

            Here it is: it is necessary to ALWAYS tell the truth. Especially historical. All these "republics", which are nothing without Russia, must be UNITED under one Russian control. The same must be done with the countries of Eastern Europe - Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Poland, Czechoslovakia, because these countries spoke Russian back in the 19th century and these are our people. This is what the RUSSIAN IDEA should be.
            You can remember that Germany is ALL in the Slavic toponyms. And understand where the Slavs-Varangians came to Novgorod.
          16. apro
            apro 29 January 2021 10: 37
            +3
            Quote: Bar1
            UNITE under one Russian control.

            Thank you. I heard you. And I think we will finish with this.
  • Korax71
    Korax71 29 January 2021 13: 44
    +4
    a man who in every possible way drowns behind Hyperborea with a constant pulling of an owl on the globe? very original wassat especially from the point of view of the true truth good
  • kalibr
    kalibr 29 January 2021 15: 37
    +2
    The slogan was on the houses: "The people and the party are ONE!"
  • sniperino
    sniperino 29 January 2021 17: 31
    +3
    Quote: apro
    if against the CPSU then against the USSR

    The same stupid propaganda cartoon, like "anti-communist means Russophobe".
  • nsm1
    nsm1 29 January 2021 08: 32
    +4
    Quote: Bar1
    Later, all kinds of non-Russians-Ukrainians and Balts came out against the USSR
    Really tunnels ?! laughing laughing laughing
    A clear correlation - "nerus" voted behind, https://vybory-91.livejournal.com/2580691.html
    No fairy tales, witnesses of those events to fig and more.
    1. Bar1
      Bar1 29 January 2021 08: 52
      -4
      Quote: nsm1
      No fairy tales, witnesses of those events to fig and more.


      you don’t know stories.
      This means that the majority in these republics, well, maybe besides Georgia, there were just Russians, because Russians have always lived there.
      But the national cadres have always sat at the helm, so they ravaged the Union.
      1. nsm1
        nsm1 29 January 2021 09: 04
        +3
        You didn't even follow the link - there only RSFSR
        And the union republics also voted behind, it was less in Ukraine and Belarus.
        In general, there is no need for fairy tales again.
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 29 January 2021 09: 07
          -4
          and what am I talking about? The Russians were unambiguous, the rest were different.
        2. nsm1
          nsm1 29 January 2021 09: 10
          +3
          No, not so - Central Asia is definitely "for", the best.
          And most of all against - Sverdlovsk, Moscow, Leningrad.
          The more Russians - the more against - Dagestan against 16%, Volgograd region. - 32%
        3. Bar1
          Bar1 29 January 2021 09: 16
          -1
          Quote: nsm1
          No, not so - Central Asia is definitely "for", the best.
          And most of all against - Sverdlovsk, Moscow, Leningrad.
          The more Russians - the more against - Dagestan against 16%, Volgograd region. - 32%


          This is very indicative. Moscow was usually very disliked in the USSR, but why? But precisely because she lived in Moscow, as we can see from the vote, every nerus. This is the so-called intelligentsia, workers of "culture" are not clear what (such films were filmed at the end of the USSR - it is disgusting to watch), of course, there are managers, there are a lot of them in Moscow. this is not the USSR and not Russia, it has always been well supplied, and hungry Russia exported "their wealth" with bags around the country. It was. And yet half of Moscow voted for.
        4. nsm1
          nsm1 29 January 2021 09: 22
          +1
          And in the Sverdlovsk region, only 49,34% voted in favor
          There, too, "nerus, the so-called intelligentsia, workers of" culture ""?
          No need to sing war songs, I've been there, nothing like that ...
          Or maybe the entire Murmansk region is "nerus"?
        5. Bar1
          Bar1 29 January 2021 09: 38
          0
          Quote: nsm1
          And in the Sverdlovsk region, only 49,34% voted in favor
          There, too, "nerus, the so-called intelligentsia, workers of" culture ""?
          No need to sing war songs, I've been there, nothing like that ...
          Or maybe the entire Murmansk region is "nerus"?


          it is necessary to deal with each example separately. Why the Sverdlovsk region voted like that is not clear.
          I can say that at that time everyone had their brains on their own and when the war between the police and the "people" in the Baltic States went on, many, including myself (at first), were for this separating people. The realization of what happened in those days did not come immediately.
          The easiest way to turn your own people against yourself is property. There were cities where conditions for the locals were better, so they saw the rest of them as "poor relatives"
          Why did the khokh_ly behave so arrogantly in those days? "Mos_kali have consumed our fat" and many thought so, but in reality it turned out that Ukraine is nothing without Russia.
          There were mistakes and these mistakes and those who corrupted the Union took advantage.
        6. nsm1
          nsm1 29 January 2021 09: 44
          +6
          Quote: Bar1
          Why the Sverdlovsk region voted like that is not clear.
          Excuse me - how old are you?
          What can be not clear here?
          Quote: Bar1
          There were cities where conditions for the locals were better, so they saw the rest of them as "poor relatives"
          They are now.
          In Khabarovsk, they don't go for Furgal "handsome", but against Moscow.
        7. Bar1
          Bar1 29 January 2021 09: 46
          -3
          so figured out the misunderstandings?
        8. nsm1
          nsm1 29 January 2021 09: 50
          0
          Are you serious?
          Do you know that Yeltsin is from there?
          It is still popular, the Yeltsin Center is there, Boris Yeltsin Street ...
          Are you a foreigner?
        9. Bar1
          Bar1 29 January 2021 09: 55
          -3
          and what about Yeltsin? Does this affect the separation of Russia from the USSR? So can only be considered close to the body, they are all early where and how, the main thing with whom. Yeltsin has nothing to do with it, apparently Sverdlovsk was just well fed in due time.
        10. nsm1
          nsm1 29 January 2021 10: 00
          0
          I believe you are definitely a foreigner and do not know our realities.
          Have you ever been to Russia?
          Balt?
        11. Bar1
          Bar1 29 January 2021 10: 02
          -2
          how can this be seen?
          No, of course I'm Russian.
        12. nsm1
          nsm1 29 January 2021 10: 02
          +1
          But not from Russia.
        13. Bar1
          Bar1 29 January 2021 10: 06
          -4
          from the USSR, you know this? Are you suggesting that since Russia, it deliberately went to secede from the USSR? No, it wasn't like that.
        14. nsm1
          nsm1 29 January 2021 10: 13
          +4
          So it was.
          The results of the referendum confirm this.
          There were many opponents - "enough to feed the republics."
          This has not changed even now, even after decades, conversations periodically emerge that everything was in the republics, they lived better, etc.
          And Yeltsin did not in the least conceal his furious antipathy towards the "union center."
          And in Ukraine it was similar, there they voted "for" even less than in the RSFSR.
          On this, sorry, I finish.
          I prefer to communicate with fellow citizens, but not with an ignorant foreigner.
          You don't know anything about us.
        15. Bar1
          Bar1 29 January 2021 10: 17
          -3
          Quote: nsm1
          So it was.
          The results of the referendum confirm this.


          Here is another one - I see it here, I don’t see it here, did you yourself look at your plate? There are 71%, ka times FOR the USSR.


          Quote: nsm1
          I prefer to communicate with fellow citizens, but not with an ignorant foreigner.
          You don't know anything about us.


          laughing
  • sniperino
    sniperino 29 January 2021 17: 38
    +2
    Quote: nsm1
    Really tunnels ?!
    And the CIA hires, and already behind them "nerus" slender columns. And "Russia" only looked at them through the window and went nuts: "Where are they going? Why are they not shouting in Russian?"
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 29 January 2021 05: 48
    +2
    Industrial, technological and food independence, and then the Americans made it so that world oil prices collapsed, leaving Moscow without an influx of foreign currency) iron logic))) why a bunch of currency independent throughout the country?) And so much so that its loss caused a collapse?
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 29 January 2021 08: 33
      -1
      Quote: carstorm 11
      Industrial, technological and food independence, and then the Americans made it so that world oil prices collapsed, leaving Moscow without an influx of foreign currency) iron logic))) why a bunch of currency independent throughout the country?) And so much so that its loss caused a collapse?

      This is the author's logic!
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 29 January 2021 11: 15
        -1
        Well, I read it quite often. I'm used to it already) but today it's a new stage)
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 29 January 2021 05: 57
    +2
    How the US hounded the "red bear"

    Is it only the USA?
    It is important that the substitution of the prospect of a bright future for all tomorrow for secure living and enjoying the benefits of civilization today, but not for everyone, has occurred. And this happened not without the participation of those whose duties included ensuring the safety of the state and the socialist system.
    It is strange but the fact that today the development of the Russian Federation follows the path of happy capitalism in certain regions, which should inevitably cause discontent in the provinces and may lead to social unrest.
    Previously, we managed to dump all the blame on Gorbachev and Yeltsin, who will we blame today?
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    Do not be this.

    Do you remember in words:
    Union of the indestructible republics free
    Rallied forever Great Russia ...
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 29 January 2021 06: 06
      +1
      Of course, I remember when the republics spun off with the massacre of the Russian-speaking population ... I remember very well how they threw mud at the Russians, blaming them for all their troubles. The basis of the USSR was the RSFSR, and as soon as this support weakened, the whole USSR collapsed ... including, not without the help of Gobachev. Now the USA wants to destroy my homeland too ... I will fight for it ... excuse me even on my couch. smile Hopefully not on the street ... my hands got used to owning the instrument for many years of work.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 29 January 2021 06: 37
        0
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        I remember very well how they threw mud at the Russians, blaming them for all their troubles.

        And still watered and blamed
        And for some, it became public policy
      2. nsm1
        nsm1 29 January 2021 06: 59
        +1
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        The basis of the USSR was the RSFSR
        Just don't forget that the RSFSR was at the forefront of the collapse.
        At the Gorbachev referendum on the preservation of the USSR, only Sverdlovsk voted against, about 50% were in Moscow and Leningrad.
        In Chechnya, 75% are for the USSR.
        And it was Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich who explicitly denounced the union treaty, the rest of the republics were presented with a fact.
        There is something to throw mud at the Russians - Westernization, the worship of the West cleverly blossomed among the Russians.
        Where shouted "enough to feed the republics"?
        Oh, and now it's the same, "enough to feed the Caucasus" is it much different?
        PS: map and table - https://vybory-91.livejournal.com/2580691.html
      3. tatra
        tatra 29 January 2021 07: 20
        -2
        That is why anti-Sovietism is ALWAYS equal to Russophobia. Gorbachev gave freedom to the enemies of the communists, and they immediately began to expel Russians from the national republics of the USSR, kill Russians, and rape Russian women and girls. And with their malice against the anti-Soviet Putin RF, the enemies of the communists in the West, in Europe, on the territory of the former USSR have proved that they will hate any Russia with any power and any social system.
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 29 January 2021 08: 38
          0
          Quote: tatra
          That is why anti-Sovietism is ALWAYS equal to Russophobia


          Here's another rigging of facts.
          When were the Russians in the TOP of the Soviet power?
          -Lenin - it is not clear who
          -Stalin-Georgians, for the Ukrainization of Russian cities -10 Congress.
          -Khrushchev -ho_hol is wide.
          -Brezhnev- from Ukraine
          -Andropov-nerus, possibly a Jew
          -Chernenko is not from Ukraine, but Ukrainian.
          -Gorbachev - ancestors from Ukraine.

          these are only the first persons. And to count in these governments how many non-Russians there were.
          All were for "friendship of peoples" and what happened? Nerus and pulled the USSR away to their corners.
          1. Avior
            Avior 29 January 2021 23: 30
            0
            ... Here's another rigging of facts.

            This is exactly
            All Russians are on your list, except for Stalin and Chernenko.
            Chernenko was born in Siberia, and grew up there.
            Of the entire list, only Brezhnev was born and raised in Ukraine, although he is Russian by nationality
            Khrushchevo was born in Russia, raised in Ukraine, also Russian by nationality
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 30 January 2021 02: 16
              +2
              no, it is not so.
              For example, Khrushchev even wore a shirt with embroidered shirts, and also gave the Russian Crimea, so don’t lie.
              There is nothing to say about Lenin. Father is a Kalmyk, mother on father’s Jewish woman Blank.
              1. Avior
                Avior 30 January 2021 04: 33
                0
                Nationality is not determined by a shirt. He was not Khrushchenko.
                Nikita Sergeevich Khrushchev was born in 1894 in the village of Kalinovka, Olkhovskaya volost, Dmitrievsky uyezd, Kursk province (currently - Khomutovsky district, Kursk region) in the family of the miner Sergei Nikanorovich Khrushchev (d. 1938) and Ksenia Ivanovna Khrushcheva (1872-1945). Two years later, the younger sister Irina was born [9]. Russian. [10] Russian origin is noted in memoirs, speeches [11] and personal data [12] [13] [14]; In his memoirs, he noted that at the time of his appointment to work in the Ukrainian SSR, he did not speak the Ukrainian language, which is why he opposed the translation. [15]

                He spent part of his childhood in Donbass, and this is not the most, let's say, Ukrainianized region of Ukraine.
                There is nothing to say about Lenin. Father is a Kalmyk, mother on father’s Jewish woman Blank.

                From the field of assumptions.
                There is no real data that his father was not Russian, and never was.
                1. Bar1
                  Bar1 30 January 2021 15: 52
                  +3
                  Quote: Avior
                  He spent part of his childhood in Donbass, and this is not the most, let's say, Ukrainianized region of Ukraine


                  about Khrushchev, but I was surprised to learn that he was a type of Russian, but why was he then against the Russians? The same Crimea.

                  Regarding the fact that this whole company is Khrushchev, Brezhnev, whom he also brought, and Chernenko had already brought in Brezhnev with might and main DON'T BUILD socialism, but simply lived for their pleasure, you can look at the doctor of historical sciences, Professor A.

        2. kalibr
          kalibr 29 January 2021 08: 38
          0
          Irina! At one time he was engaged in the issue of NTTM and, first of all, students. So in Russian universities, the level of student involvement in research work in the 10th five-year plan was at the level of 5-7%, and 10-12% is KUAI - the leader, one might say. But from Central Asia they reported the level of attraction ... more than 100%. This is in the documents of the Central Committee of the Komsomol. How can it be more than 100%? And this was reported to the Central Committee of the CPSU. But ... they didn't do anything. But they gave a lot of money for research work. And the question is: how much more was given? Where 10-12 or where 100%. And the 10th five-year plan is not Gorbachev at all, is it?
        3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 January 2021 10: 59
          -1
          Quote: tatra
          enemies of the communists in the West

          Friends of the Communists in the East greet comrade Tatra!

          So win! soldier
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  • rocket757
    rocket757 29 January 2021 06: 07
    0
    Lots of words .... the question is what to do?
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 29 January 2021 06: 40
      -1
      Quote: rocket757
      Lots of words .... the question is what to do?

      Two thinkers Chernyshevsky and Herzen could not answer this question request
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 January 2021 07: 46
        +1
        Hi soldier
        The ancestors themselves could not solve the issue, they left us a legacy!
        How can we figure it out, decide? request
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 January 2021 11: 10
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      Lots of words .... the question is what to do?

      It is known that:

      And who is against, the enemy of the communists, anti-Soviet, Russophobe and foster child of the State Department
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 January 2021 11: 29
        0
        Then the enemies of Savonarola ... if to the origins, the same SELECT AND DIVIDE, fall.
      2. Bar1
        Bar1 29 January 2021 11: 30
        -3
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        It is known that:


        The most interesting thing is that this illustrative of his, as everyone notes in Lumpen's phrase, has a lot of meaning, Sharikov is right here.
        The land was taken from the landowners and divided between the peasants after the revolution, as it was. Collectivization took the land under state control.
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 29 January 2021 16: 17
          +3
          Strange, but Sharikov is right, this is what I found on the net: "So, the results: in 2014 - 2019 (there are no official statistics for 2020) federal budget revenues increased by 9,5% (this is for the state), corporate profit grew by 52,9% (this is for private traders), but the real disposable income of the population decreased by 7,4% (and this is for us, the people).
          Like this: people get poorer, the state and business (owners) get richer. It is clear that this is data in general. In the same business, there are many who even went bankrupt, but in this case we are forced to operate with generalized indicators.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 29 January 2021 06: 31
    0
    What was the strength of the Stalinist cadres? Since the change of personnel was adopted into service, people came to the ministries who knew what to demand from science, who knew about the great responsibility for the assigned work. Stalin demanded that the fifty-year-old ministers look for a change. Khrushchev behaved differently. He conducted "fire on the headquarters", reduced the army, brought people closer to him not on merit, but on personal devotion to himself. The rest was correctly indicated by the author.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 January 2021 11: 32
      +1
      Quote: nikvic46
      What was the strength of the Stalinist cadres?

      The fear of punishment is not the least. And one should not think that it was a vertical stimulus. Administrative horizontals also blackmailed each other with them. When financiers in 1932 raised the issue of the flawed system of soft budget constraints, the "red directors" accused them of "sabotaging the release of vital government products for the sake of financial discipline." For such sabotage, of course, one could sit down for a long time, and the first prototype of the "bankruptcy law" died without being born. But, since the "directors" knew that nothing just disappeared, then already in 1935 they reported about the first cost-effective metallurgical plant. But it was just a "sly figure".
    2. Keer
      Keer 29 January 2021 12: 47
      +7
      Stalin demanded that the fifty-year-old ministers look for a replacement.

      And at 70 he could not find a replacement for himself, from that the USSR collapsed, the Soviet power was a stable thing.
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 29 January 2021 13: 00
        -7
        Kirill. You are looking at your feet, so as not to stumble.
        1. Keer
          Keer 29 January 2021 14: 04
          +4
          It is not scary to stumble, the main thing is not to crash and not break into dust. it
          and is called sustainability. Then you can not only under your feet but also forward - backward and look around.
  • nsm1
    nsm1 29 January 2021 06: 51
    +3
    During perestroika, there were already millions of people in the USSR who were thrilled with everything Western and American.
    And now it has not changed for the better.
    It got even worse.
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 29 January 2021 06: 53
    +2
    And the Americans put us on the oil needle, for sure the State Planning Committee was stuffed with their spies. All-all erroneous decisions of the leadership were telepathically transmitted to them from the United States.

    Samsonov, come in at least once in the comments and be responsible for what you have written. And you're a coward.
  • tatra
    tatra 29 January 2021 07: 00
    -2
    Reagan and his team attributed the victory over the USSR to themselves
    And the enemies of the communists who had captured the USSR cowardly blamed the supporters of the USSR for the destruction of the USSR.
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 29 January 2021 07: 19
    -2
    Again these "star wars". Why weave this nonsense? Our team quickly figured it out, snapped up an asymmetrical, cheapest, but effective answer, and let the Americans continue to throw out the incredible loot to the wind.
  • bandabas
    bandabas 29 January 2021 07: 48
    +3
    Ndasss. I remember in 1987 in Leningrad the exhibition "Computer Science in the Life of the USA". I will not lie, then I was very impressed. And as a gift to all visitors, a glossy magazine, a plastic bag and a badge. Trinkets for the "natives". However, these "natives" then could safely reach the English Channel, the Bay of Biscay and the Dardanelles ..
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 29 January 2021 08: 51
      +5
      Quote: bandabas
      However, these "natives" then could safely reach the English Channel, the Bay of Biscay and the Dardanelles ..

      1. Well, at the expense of the English Channel and other places it became clear a few years later.
      2. And the import package in 1987 in the country of the highest technologies was quite a gift.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 29 January 2021 15: 43
        0
        Quote: Cherry Nine
        And the import package in 1987 in the country of the highest technologies was quite a gift for itself.

        in 1978 such packages of Wrandler and Marlboro in Anapa cost 6 rubles for gypsies!
      2. bandabas
        bandabas 1 February 2021 09: 26
        +1
        So that's what I said wink
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 January 2021 09: 22
      -3
      Quote: bandabas
      I remember in 1987 .... these "natives" could then safely reach the English Channel, the Bay of Biscay and the Dardanelles ..

      In 1987, Rust flew quietly and sat down on Red Square.
      Quote: bandabas
      And as a gift to all visitors a glossy magazine, a plastic bag and a badge

      Generally, handing out small change with a logo and brochures at the exposition is a normal exhibition practice. At Expoelectronica we handed out pens, baseball caps and bags with our logo. And at the same time, my dear, mind you - they did not consider the visitors "natives" in the derogatory connotation that you mean.
      As for the English Channel and the Bay of Biscay, I crossed the first and reached the second as a tourist in a personal, and, fortunately, not domestically produced car. To do this in 1987 was absolutely fantastic. But, apparently, the confidence that our tanks can do this should have compensated for everything.
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 29 January 2021 14: 46
        +1
        In 1987, Rust flew quietly and sat down on Red Square.
        In fairness, it should be noted that he was "led" and, if ordered, would have been shot down. But the order was not received for this - eggs are needed for this, although the button is pressed with a finger laughing
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 January 2021 14: 49
          +1
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          In 1987, Rust flew quietly and sat down on Red Square.
          In fairness, it should be noted that he was "led" and, if ordered, would have been shot down. But the order was not received for this - eggs are needed for this, although the button is pressed with a finger laughing

          That is, there are no eggs to plant "sessna", but
          Quote: bandabas
          calmly drive to the English Channel, the Bay of Biscay and the Dardanelles ..
          - full scrotum?
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 29 January 2021 14: 54
            0
            plant "sessna"
            It would be possible to plant only the bent crankshaft of the engine, and there were no people willing to take responsibility for the peaceful foreign tourist. And if the Supreme said "to the Channel," then cut the last cucumber. Slightly different situevins, I think.
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 January 2021 15: 24
              +1
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              And if the Supreme said "to the Channel," then cut the last cucumber.

              Well, that is a given)
          2. frog
            frog 29 January 2021 22: 09
            0
            That is, there are no eggs to plant "sessna"

            And sho, someone was going to plant her? We were very worried about the first part of the ballet, that is, the border and the next. And then everything was much easier ...
  • Keer
    Keer 29 January 2021 08: 45
    +3
    The Soviet Socialist system proved to be unstable in the medium term. In China, they followed the path of revisionism and thus did not complete the experiment, but we did it.
    1. Bar1
      Bar1 29 January 2021 09: 04
      +1
      Quote: Keer
      The Soviet Socialist system proved to be unstable in the medium term.


      here it is not even so. The USSR, as a state of a union of nationalities, could not be stable and cohesive. Because the nazmeni command from Moscow was always across the throat. While Stalin was, they were afraid, and after him everyone did what he wanted on their lands.
      And such a system-Marxism-Lennism-it was a profanation i.e. a veiled lie for the collapse of Russia, which, as we see, happened.
      1. Keer
        Keer 29 January 2021 09: 17
        +4
        The Soviet-style socialist system is fundamentally unstable, without any malicious intent.
      2. Avior
        Avior 29 January 2021 23: 37
        -2
        to the nationalities, the command from Moscow was always across the throat

        Judging by the places in the parade of sovereignties, it was for the Russians in the same place
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 30 January 2021 02: 15
          -1
          Quote: Avior
          Judging by the places in the parade of sovereignties, it was for the Russians in the same place


          why are you constantly twisting? Maybe not Russian, but EBNu?
          1. Avior
            Avior 30 January 2021 04: 39
            -2
            How old are you, excuse me?
            I remember very well how the declaration was adopted, the majority supported it then, like Yeltsin. Gorbachev was not popular at that time.
  • smaug78
    smaug78 29 January 2021 09: 05
    +2
    From the first lines, "Samsonovism" is clear ...
    1. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 29 January 2021 09: 46
      +2
      It can be seen in the headings: "As further in the text
  • Unknown
    Unknown 29 January 2021 09: 07
    +3
    Not only the United States had a hand in the collapse of the USSR, there were figures inside who also wanted collapse. Without any excuses, these faces are traitors, period. Whoever has a memory, remember how it all began. The Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR, an interregional group, and off it went. Scientists, creative intelligentsia, little people who consider themselves intellectuals, are nominating the former academician Sakharov as a deputy, a distraught old man, plus a henpecked man singing to the tune of Bonner and the State Department. Further insanity grew stronger. The supremacy of the laws of the republics over the union ones. But the main thing remains - the ideology. It was necessary to knock out the cornerstone from the building on which the entire building of the CPSU rests. The attack began with I.V. STALIN, a tyrant, a red satrap, millions of repressed, resettled peoples, a psychopath and a criminal with sadistic inclinations, as soon as they were called. And more materials of the 20th Party Congress with Khrushchev's speech. It was not for nothing that Mao Zedong warned his entourage, “don’t try to touch me after my death, you will not have a future to stir up the past.” There is still a taboo in China on the cultural revolution, on all the activities of the CCP, and even more so on the name of the great helmsman. And the CCP is in power there. In the USSR, the process. collapse was gaining momentum, and when, with the approval of the marked, republican communist parties, not subordinate to the Central Committee, began to spring up like mushrooms. it became clear to understanding people that the end of the Union was near. And so it happened. The state collapsed into many state formations, which sometimes will remind of the Union with an outbreak of interethnic conflicts, which did not exist in the pre-perestroika USSR.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 January 2021 10: 05
      +3
      All this is understandable, but, I believe, there was an "ideal storm" - a fateful coincidence for the USSR - economic, domestic and foreign policy. And if you look deeper, the bomb was planted back in the 30s, just at the time of the industrial boom. These were methods of administration and management, some of which were downright flawed. But, being in a state of constant assault and having a big war in the future, the Soviet leadership objectively could not agree to any systemic reforms.
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 January 2021 09: 10
    +2
    Oh, in the morning the Samsonov artel declared itself by ringing a propaganda bell? laughing
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 29 January 2021 10: 18
      +3
      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Oh, in the morning the Samsonov artel declared itself by ringing a propaganda bell? laughing

      So Friday ...
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 29 January 2021 09: 44
    -1
    Colleagues, today's "Samsonov" has decided to do without anti-Sovietism.
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 29 January 2021 10: 27
    +4
    However, in Iran in 1979, the Islamic Revolution was victorious, which declared the United States the "chief shaitan" of the planet. Iranian revolutionaries even captured American diplomats and held them under arrest for over a year. Then President Carter banned any financial transactions with Tehran.

    The funny thing is that it was Jimmy Carter who brought Khomeini to power, considering him a pro-American politician. The United States literally twisted the Shah's arms, forcing him to relinquish power. And when the army elite that ruled the country at the last moment tried to prevent a change of power by force, Carter's representative, the deputy commander of the US forces in Europe, General Robert Heiser, actually ordered them to "negotiate." Well, we agreed ...
    On February 15, four members of the high command were executed on the roof of an educational institution.
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 29 January 2021 10: 58
      +6
      Quote: Alexey RA
      Jimmy Carter brings Khomeini to power

      You rarely find a US president as successful as Jimmy Carter.
      1. Built IRI.
      2. Took Sinai from Israel.
      3. As much as he could, he defended the peaceful Pol Pot from the evil Vietnamese.
      4. Recognized the PRC.
      5. Gave the Panama Canal.

      No wonder they got the Nobel Prize.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 29 January 2021 11: 14
        +4
        Quote: Cherry Nine
        You rarely find a US president as successful as Jimmy Carter.
        1. Built IRI.
        2. Took Sinai from Israel.
        3. As much as he could, he defended the peaceful Pol Pot from the evil Vietnamese.
        4. Recognized the PRC.
        5. Gave the Panama Canal.

        It's a pity I didn't get a second term. Otherwise, it could have been perestroika start and deepen. smile
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 30 January 2021 00: 51
          +2
          Quote: Alexey RA
          It's a pity I didn't get a second term

          All good people hate Reagan for crossing Jimmy's road. For such a diamond, the 22nd amendment could have been canceled, even if he was still the president, for the joy of people. There are, of course, two drawbacks - a white man - but specifically Carter can be forgiven them.
      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 January 2021 12: 31
        +2
        USA on the brink of collapse

        America lost to the USSR in the main areas of development - science and breakthrough technologies, education and culture, the moral and psychological state of the population. The West, led by the United States, again faced the prospect of a new Great Depression, a crisis of capitalism. And Soviet civilization was given the opportunity to become the indisputable leader of mankind.


        Ehm ... According to Samson's history textbook, J. Carter left the country to Reagan in a completely deplorable state. America, according to the same textbook, surpassed the USSR only in the production of chewing gum. It was for her that the stupid intriguer Reagan decided to buy the population of the "indisputable leader of mankind", who was standing at that time in line "for chickens" and at the same time fighting for peace in the whole world in general and for Luis Corvalan in particular.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 29 January 2021 11: 58
    +4
    I want to correct Samsonov. What he says is true, but not all. The influence of the West was secondary.
    Rather, it personally affected Gorbachev and his wife, but Gorbachev's entourage formed a different goal. It's all about inheriting the privileges of those who were at the trough.
    It was this idea that led to the destruction of the USSR from within. But this is a consequence of another problem - the disintegration of the elite because of the changed personnel work under Khrushchev and a number of his turns in the economy.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 January 2021 12: 07
      +3
      Quote: yehat2
      It's all about inheriting the privileges of those who were at the trough.
      It was this idea that led to the destruction of the USSR from within.

      No, colleague, this nomenclature was no longer enough. She wanted more - from managers of state property to become its owners.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 29 January 2021 12: 12
    +3
    Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    become its owners

    Yes, they were in fact, and there were always such attempts - even before the war, but it was indicative of such figures that they broke off the horns, and under Khrushchev they completely removed control over the party functionaries and their assistants.
    Look what kind of power the leaders of large enterprises in the USSR had - a personal rest home, a personal summer cottage, a personal company car with a driver, book bills such that you can spend figs, large social resources. There were limitations, but not fundamental ones.
    I'm not at all sure that most of the "rich" have the same power left. Only a very small group began to live really better.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 January 2021 13: 05
      +3
      You are talking about privileges. Red directors were just hired workers who could be removed, demoted, brought to party responsibility, deprived of privileges, removed from the trough, stopped in career growth, etc.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 29 January 2021 13: 13
    +3
    Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    which can be removed, transferred with a decrease, brought to party responsibility, deprived of privileges, removed from the trough, stopped in career growth, etc.

    by the end of the 70s, family and caste had already developed. If you are the child of a trader or a supplier or a party boss, then your life at the trough was guaranteed.
    Yes, you could have been removed from a specific place, but because of your connections, they would have been put on a different one.
    Only a crime against the community was punished (for example, to snitch on the OBKhSS or offend a "respected" person). there was only one thing missing - to pass on to the children what was already required by the position, except for status. I saw it with my own eyes. For example, my brother and I were not allowed to participate in the regional Olympiads, although in the city for several years in a row we were competing for 1-2 places in mathematics, physics and chemistry. We were simply not allowed to attend the Olympiads in computer science. In general, there were legends about places in universities and sanatoriums. Such nepotism became the norm by the beginning of the apparent collapse of the USSR.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 January 2021 14: 44
      +2
      Well, you see, I’m saying - the nomenclature gradually moved to a new level. The status gap between the top and bottom has always existed and tended to increase until it became an abyss. And then Gorbachev appeared. The "elite" understood the profit that his stupid, unprofessional and clumsy radical reforms promise. Gorbachev was not one iota an economist, he did not understand shit either in the economy in general, or in the market economy in particular. But he opened up prospects for the top. You may not like Khrushchev, but at least he argued with Nixon about the planned economy, and Gorbachev nodded stupidly like an ass to Schultz and other Western economic missionaries. And I did not find anything better than to implant market mechanisms into the planned economy. Back in the 60s, the Poles faced this and lamented about the "rejection of foreign implants by the planned economy."
      Well, okay, now what ...
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 29 January 2021 14: 48
        +2
        Khrushchev nevertheless attended hundreds of meetings related to the economy, saw with his own eyes how it was built. He did not have an education and this led to serious mistakes in decisions and huge losses, but at least he had ears and a memory, and Gorbachev, apart from the ability to establish the Politburo's leisure time and a hanging tongue, had nothing.
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          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 January 2021 14: 56
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          and Gorbachev had nothing but the ability to organize the leisure of the Politburo and the hanging tongue.

          Yes, an ordinary, unremarkable functionary "from the Komsomol". Quite manipulative. He could not even boast of the heightened intuition inherent in the party bison of the Stalinist and post-Stalinist temper.
  • Jaromir
    Jaromir 29 January 2021 14: 39
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    The Achilles' heel of the USSR was found in Washington. They created the illusion of their power, invincibility, and made Moscow believe in its alleged weakness. This was enough to frighten and force the relaxed and decayed Soviet elite to capitulate.

    Not true. They found the fifth column in the USSR and based on it they won.
  • smaug78
    smaug78 29 January 2021 14: 57
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    Quote: Jaromir
    Not true. They found the fifth column in the USSR and based on it they won.

    Always touched by attempts to explain complex things by the intrigues of enemies laughing
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      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 January 2021 16: 05
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      Quote: Jaromir
      Not true. They found the fifth column in the USSR and based on it they won.

      Always touched by attempts to explain complex things by the intrigues of enemies laughing

      Well, there were definitely agents of influence.
      1. smaug78
        smaug78 30 January 2021 12: 40
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        There were also our agents in the USA. But the USSR did not collapse because of them
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          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 30 January 2021 12: 58
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          There were also our agents in the USA.

          Yes? Our agents of influence in the USA? Who, for example?
          Quote: smaug78
          But the USSR did not collapse because of them

          And I did not claim that only because of them. The collapse of the USSR is a systemic disaster. The primitivism of the message "from behind the fifth column" is obvious to me.
          1. smaug78
            smaug78 30 January 2021 13: 56
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            I agree with you. hi The "primitivism of the message" because of the fifth column "is obvious to me." Infantiles always need an extreme ...
  • businessv
    businessv 29 January 2021 17: 23
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    Without a new constructive project, without an ideal, without a positive image of the future, Russian civilization and all its fragments are doomed to perish during the XNUMXst century.
    Good article, emotional and sad. I really want to change everything, especially for the better, but the amendments to the Constitution were adopted, and the article on the absence of ideology in the country was not changed. This means that changes are not expected, as well as a new, creative project, unfortunately. How many words have been said about projects! And about national projects, and about breakthroughs, and about development programs for 2020! The year is 2021, and things are still there, even further from their destination.
  • 1536
    1536 29 January 2021 23: 30
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    It seems to me that what ruined the USSR was the people's disbelief in their own strength, on the one hand, and the disbelief of the party-Soviet elite in their people, on the other. In the US, people believe in themselves, and the government is only called to maintain this belief in the necessary constancy. People in the USSR lost faith in the fact that something depended on them almost immediately after the death of I.V. Stalin. (At the time of Khrushchev, even denouncing each other was already useless, not to mention Leonid Ilyich's "spurious" 18th birthday.) Moreover, any dissent was suppressed by the artificially created movement of the first so-called "dissidents", which the majority of citizens did not support. But due to the fact that the crazy ideas of this bunch of people were declared the ultimate truth, people dismissed a different opinion, common sense, and private initiative as unnecessary, unnecessary and floated along the stream, visiting theaters to watch surrogates, or reading libels about the Soviet system and the CPSU, first in samizdat, and then from the pages of well-known "magazines" and "newspapers". By the way, the situation with dissidents is very consonant with the latest events in the midst of the so-called "non-systemic opposition".
    So, perhaps, the idea of ​​Russia's development lies in the revival of self-confidence in every person and nation as a whole? The faith that allowed the Russian people to conquer Siberia, build new cities, make great discoveries, dream of space flights and make them, save people and entire nations.
    And R. Reagan, what about Reagan? Americans do not care who their president is, if he does not interfere with their business. Adversaries do not sit in presidents for long. So American presidents are engaged in fooling the heads of the Russians, the Chinese, or some French or Negerians (no offense to them, be told). Sometimes it turns out something beneficial, for the Americans, of course.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 30 January 2021 14: 31
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    The late Union could not offer any alternative, only empty slogans and the dullness of being.

    I think the author is mistaken here, because the Soviet Union had such strategic reserves of raw materials, so many liquid stocks of various materials that with smart trade, we could quickly cover the deficit in the country, including in nutrition.
    A huge mistake of our leaders of the CPSU was that they did not want to study the experience of other socialist countries, believing that we are the smartest, and most importantly ideology, and not the life of ordinary people. We could eliminate the deficit in the country in everything with the simplest decision of the government to create a trading network at commercial prices, as was the case, for example, in the GDR with the Exquisit stores. They sold goods from Western countries at world prices, but for oriental stamps, any citizen could buy whatever he liked. And there Western clothes and shoes were sold three times more expensive than those produced in the GDR, and there were no queues there. We had a parody of this - the Berezka and Albatross networks, but ordinary citizens could not buy anything there, which is why speculation flourished around them.
    So it was possible to intelligently solve some of our problems, but the obstinacy of the leaders led to the fact that the people simply stopped believing in their sanity. And if some correct decisions were made then, I am sure that 1991 would not have been in our history as the year of the country's collapse.
  • dgonni
    dgonni 31 January 2021 11: 23
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    Samsonov has, as always, a split personality. At the beginning of his opus, he writes for the USSR's leadership in technological development. And already closer to the end, about the fact that the sanctions have closed access to advanced technologies.
    It's the same with self-sufficiency. There was money from the sale of oil was life. Prices fell and began to decline.
    In agriculture, the union was a priori backward! Buying grain in Canada says a lot!
    And finally! The transition to egalitarianism did not take place under Khrushchev, but under the browbeat darag Leonid Illich!
    To understand this, it is enough to read the memoirs of Morozov. This designer was in the union. The tanks were designed.
    In general, Samsonov, as always
  • Kildin
    Kildin 15 February 2021 18: 26
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    My monitor froze. I haven't read such nonsense for a long time
  • Logic
    Logic 20 February 2021 09: 12
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    The author tries to whitewash the people ... but is the people what he turned himself into? The grunting majority won, and this is the essence of the ideologues' victory over grunting. The essence of the mass man turned out to be a grunt. People have proven that they are not sapiens en masse: replace the "rotten elite" with "true communists", and their children will be the first to take the path of grunting propaganda.
  • Rafal Vahitov
    Rafal Vahitov 2 March 2021 08: 17
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    A comparison of the methods of Hitlerite Germany against liberal Europe and against the USSR suggests that the manipulator puppeteer was one Deep State. And the policy of the government of the liberalists of the Russian Federation in the early 00s was aimed at repeating the mistake of the USSR.
  • LIB
    LIB 15 March 2021 14: 13
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    Gorbachev must be executed.
    1. Armen Sologyan
      Armen Sologyan April 17 2021 14: 29
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      The main thing, when he dies, is not to give a place in a cemetery in Russia! Let them bury him in the USA !!!
  • Armen Sologyan
    Armen Sologyan April 17 2021 14: 28
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    I think that whatever the collective West, and especially the Washington regional committee, comes up with, Russia will win anyway. The only bad thing is that the citizens of Russia, so necessary for Russia, will die, but VICTORY will still be with Russia. So it happened historically and such is the fate of Russia to win all !!! I believe and trust Russia, especially Russian !!! Russians are very talented people !!!
  • Sunstorm
    Sunstorm 3 June 2021 19: 33
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    "We will sell oil and buy new technology in Europe. We will buy everything we need. German machines, grain from the USA, Austrian footwear, Finnish household appliances, etc. We have moved from shopping to blind copying." I love to read Samsonov ... in one article he says one thing ... and in another "Triumph" of the oil / gas pipeline builders ...