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American high-speed helicopter SB-1 Defiant redesigned

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American high-speed helicopter SB-1 Defiant redesigned

The multipurpose high-speed helicopter SB> 1 Defiant has received an updated version, which will be offered to the US Army tender. According to Breaking Defense, the new version was named Defiant-X.


A consortium of Sikorsky and Boeing has made significant changes to the design of the promising helicopter. The updated version is called Defiant-X (X stands for high readiness) and will participate in the US Army tender.

As the developers explained, the redesigned helicopter received a new chassis. The previous scheme with a tricycle landing gear with the placement of two struts in the front and a steering rack in the tail was replaced by two struts in the aft and the steering rack in the bow. The nose section has become more pointed, a fairing has appeared in the tail section. In addition, the helicopter received an electro-remote control system with the ability to switch the machine to unmanned mode.


Changes have been made to the exhaust system, which exactly is not disclosed, visually the system has lost the exhaust nozzles of the exhaust device, which were previously located under the rotors in the tail section.

All the changes made should significantly improve the controllability and stability of the helicopter.

The multipurpose high-speed helicopter Defiant-X (SB> 1 Defiant) is created on a competitive basis as part of the US Army program to create a family of promising army helicopters. aviation... Development has been underway since 2015. It uses the developments obtained during the development and testing of demonstrators of high-speed X-2 and S-97 Raider helicopters. The helicopter weighs 13,6 tons. It will be able to reach speeds of up to 250 knots (463 km / h) and carry 12 troops. The machine is built on a coaxial scheme with a tail pusher rotor.
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  1. The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 26 January 2021 13: 40
    -1
    Redesigned beyond recognition.
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 26 January 2021 13: 42
    +11
    Multipurpose high-speed helicopter Defiant-X

    The Yankees create new techniques, this is a normal process.
    1. Temples
      Temples 26 January 2021 15: 33
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      The Yankees create a new technique, this ...

      What, someone is creating an old technique?

      Let's not talk about misunderstandings like Ukrainians.

      All normal design bureaus create a new technique.
      And this is natural.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 26 January 2021 16: 01
        +7
        Quote: Temples
        What, someone is creating an old technique?

        Admittedly, they create not just a new, but really NEW FORMS.
        I will not say that everything is smooth for them, everything is working out, but this is a search, a movement forward.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 26 January 2021 17: 22
          +6
          Wangyu: when this helicopter is completed, it turns out that it is more expensive than a tiltrotor. wink
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 26 January 2021 18: 15
            +3
            Ha, this is very likely.
            Although, the firm has to pour over development costs, in one way or another .... this is reality.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 26 January 2021 18: 31
              +1
              In the States, this probability is already being discussed. bully
              They can also close the project without finishing the series.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 26 January 2021 20: 44
                +2
                It happens, BUT, too often to wrap new items back, to send the case to the back burner, but when not later, it can become a diagnosis and the eve of a disaster!
                However, this is their business. Let them figure it out themselves.
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 26 January 2021 21: 00
                  +3
                  All contractors' expenses under the state program are paid. They are only happy to participate in such programs, a lot of groundwork goes into civilian life. For example, the Boeing 747 Jumbo Jet is a converted truck for the Galaxy C-5 program. They are sad from the fact that the project was closed, but for the money they are only in +.
                  Sikorsky's X2 series participates in 3 multipurpose, shock, shock reconnaissance programs. Something has to go into series.
                  He can win in all programs. Three types of helicopters built on one platform will greatly reduce the cost of purchase, facilitate and reduce the cost of operation.
  3. lucul
    lucul 26 January 2021 13: 51
    +4
    Changes have been made to the exhaust system, which exactly is not disclosed, visually the system has lost the exhaust nozzles of the exhaust device, which were previously located under the rotors in the tail section.

    But this is serious.
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 26 January 2021 13: 57
      -6
      Quote: lucul
      But this is serious.

      They just moved. Didn't they brew them?
      1. lucul
        lucul 26 January 2021 13: 58
        +6
        They just moved. Didn't they brew them?

        Yes, I mean that the infrared seeker of the rocket may no longer work ...
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 26 January 2021 14: 06
          +2
          Yes I understand. That's why he said - moved.
      2. Dart
        Dart 26 January 2021 14: 45
        +1
        Transferred to the space between the screws (IMHO, there is such a characteristic gondola with a slot) ... apparently for better dispersion.
    2. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 26 January 2021 14: 07
      +2
      Quote: lucul
      Changes were made to the exhaust system, which exactly is not disclosed, visually the system has lost the exhaust nozzles of the exhaust device

      But this is serious.

      The new system is reminiscent of the developments on the RAH-66 Comanche, which is totally stealth, on which it "got burned"
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 26 January 2021 14: 01
    -1
    Serious car. Fast and quite lifting. True, the speed is not radically high. A 50% increase is relatively high. But an absolute increase of 150 km / h - perhaps the efficiency will increase. For air defense it is all the same ... And MANPADS, and all sorts of "Shilki-Tunguska-Pantsiri" will not miss.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 26 January 2021 14: 46
      +4
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      For air defense it is all the same ... And MANPADS, and all sorts of "Shilki - Tunguska - Panziri" will not miss.

      Like, they will miss an aircraft developing 700 km / h ... 460 m / h is the cruising speed of the An-26, for example. But rotorcraft fly lower than aircraft and 400+ km / h is a decrease in the time spent in the field of view of the same MANPADS, and the MZA too. So, good speed and light air defense, it will make life quite difficult for itself.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 26 January 2021 14: 58
        -1
        These are the flight speeds of aircraft over the WWII battlefield. They will, do not hesitate. And our attack aircraft flew at low level, with comparable speeds. But they carried serious armor, and did not fall from the rifleman.
        And these? Nothing has been heard about their booking.
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 26 January 2021 15: 25
          +5
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          These are the flight speeds of aircraft over the WWII battlefield. They will, do not hesitate. And our stormtroopers flew at low level

          And what have the attack aircraft and other aircraft of the battlefield? This is a transport aircraft, compare it with the Mi-8, Huey, Cougar and the like.
          And these? Nothing has been heard about their booking.

          Have you heard a lot about the armor on the Mi-8?
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 26 January 2021 15: 31
            -3
            Quote: Avis

            Have you heard a lot about the armor on the Mi-8?

            I heard it on the Mi-24/35. And quite to myself. But you can also call it a transport worker ...
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 26 January 2021 15: 42
              +2
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              Quote: Avis

              Have you heard a lot about the armor on the Mi-8?

              I heard it on the Mi-24/35. And quite to myself. But you can also call it a transport worker ...

              I didn't ask about them.
          2. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 26 January 2021 15: 45
            -1
            In the X series, in addition to this transport, there will be shock and reconnaissance-shock versions.
            Armor is needed when using unguided weapons, of which they only have machine guns. All tactics of use imply being in the affected area of ​​a possible air defense for tens of seconds or not entering it at all.
          3. Magog_
            Magog_ 26 January 2021 16: 52
            +1
            This is a transport, compare it with the Mi-8, Huey, Puma and the like.
            So compare. Have you seen a lot of coaxial helicopter "transporters"? Is record speed really so important to accomplish troop-transfer missions? Unless, of course, these are some specific special operations. But we are talking about an army transport helicopter. Sorry, as far as you can understand the specifics of army aviation, in this case, the transport component is important, i.e. "I took more - moved further", which is more difficult to achieve in a coaxial scheme compared to the usual one. Americans, as always, will first try to do something (a lot of money!), And then they will think ...
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 26 January 2021 17: 04
              0
              Quote: Magog_
              This is a transport, compare it with the Mi-8, Huey, Puma and the like.
              So compare. Have you seen a lot of coaxial helicopter "transporters"? Is record speed really so important for carrying out troop-transfer missions?

              What are you all for now?
              If you do not know what the Ka-29 and Ka-32 are, then it is too early for you to talk about aviation.
              The same applies to the epithet "record" in relation to 450 km / h.
              Well, and so on. Understand the issue first.
              1. Magog_
                Magog_ 26 January 2021 17: 12
                -2
                So figure out what it is about! We are talking about army aviation, and leave examples of purely naval vehicles to other topics.
                1. Reviews
                  Reviews 26 January 2021 17: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: Magog_
                  So figure out what it is about! We are talking about army aviation, and leave examples of purely naval vehicles to other topics.

                  To school, boy, to school ...
            2. hydroy
              hydroy 26 January 2021 17: 17
              +1
              AZAZAZAZ, Americans are fools, well, stupid people, some smart Russians create transports at a speed of 250 km / h, but we will transport more, but we will keep the old format, OU, the Americans got the speed! Almost 2 times more! 2 times! and that means the delivery time will also be reduced by 2 times, which means that the speed and capabilities are increased! And let us trample on MI-8 or MI-17) well, well)
              1. Magog_
                Magog_ 26 January 2021 17: 21
                -2
                I see some snotty guys gathered here: "got the speed - twice as fast!"
                1. hydroy
                  hydroy 26 January 2021 17: 29
                  0
                  Look at the video, in relation to other turntables - this is progress, if you are offended for the useless Russian industry, which cannot yet provide an analogue or better quality vert, then I'm sorry for you! And the Mi-8 is an old age that is losing ground. Yes, we got speed, but we got maneuverability, the concept remained, this is a good helicopter that will quickly deliver the group to perform combat and other tasks! We still have a layout, no vert! Ka-92 is generally civilian))))
                  1. Magog_
                    Magog_ 26 January 2021 17: 45
                    0
                    For civilian purposes - no objection: some kind of business jet in helicopter performance is quite suitable. In the military version, the parameters of carrying capacity, range, survivability, volume of transportation, etc. are important. Speed ​​comes last. The transported troopers must have the maximum possible supply of weapons and supplies - otherwise they are not troops, but tourists. Landing army helicopters have clearly defined missions. This is what it would be worthwhile for clever Americans to first inquire before getting down to business ... The apparatus under discussion is interesting in itself, but then, apparently, one should first understand for what purposes it is being made. Precisely for army transport aircraft?
                    1. hydroy
                      hydroy 26 January 2021 17: 48
                      0
                      Maybe they can be as a drummer and as a reconnaissance officer, but they apparently rely on a transport worker, such a quick response, let's see! I hope we will find an analogue and usability for this device, the speed is also a plus and a good one
                      1. Magog_
                        Magog_ 26 January 2021 17: 55
                        0
                        When designing (there is such a task area), all the "pluses" and "minuses" are taken into account. In the pursuit of speed, other significant "pluses" are inevitably lost, and you get an unnecessary item or try to repurpose the product on the fly, which in fact means non-fulfillment of the terms of reference.
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  5. evgen1221
    evgen1221 26 January 2021 14: 04
    +3
    Serial transfer system to the drone. And you really know that.
  6. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 26 January 2021 14: 24
    -8
    Some kind of dumb freak turned out))
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 26 January 2021 16: 13
      0
      very beautiful technique! And there are NO analogues) Americans can create what they want) but we can)
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 26 January 2021 17: 52
        -2
        Turd can also look beautiful))

        Here Huey looks beautiful and has established itself as the most reliable helicopter.
        And this one looks unreliable, a kind of Zumwalt, only a helicopter)))

        Compare with our Ka-52))
        1. hydroy
          hydroy 26 January 2021 17: 53
          -1
          Wait and see!
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 26 January 2021 17: 53
            0
            Chew, see)))
            1. hydroy
              hydroy 26 January 2021 17: 57
              -2
              I offer you a pilot's place in this old stuff!))))) Chur, I have a Needle) Let's see how long you can fly)
              1. Lord of the Sith
                Lord of the Sith 26 January 2021 17: 58
                +1
                Do you even know how to use the Needle, dunce?)))

                Probably on the couch)))
                1. hydroy
                  hydroy 26 January 2021 18: 00
                  -2
                  I'll learn, just don't be in the turntable)
                  1. Lord of the Sith
                    Lord of the Sith 26 January 2021 18: 02
                    -1
                    Only in some sort of battlefield or kalovutiya)))

                    It's funny to look at my mother's warriors with my combat experience)))
  7. APASUS
    APASUS 26 January 2021 15: 07
    -1
    Judging by the video, they were going to transport the guns on an external sling, on a high-speed Defiant-X helicopter.
    It will be able to reach speeds of up to 250 knots (463 km / h) and carry 12 troops.

    I can imagine how difficult it will be to stabilize the tool with such a wind load
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 26 January 2021 15: 29
      +4
      Quote: APASUS
      Judging by the video, they were going to transport the guns on an external sling, on a high-speed Defiant-X helicopter.
      It will be able to reach speeds of up to 250 knots (463 km / h) and carry 12 troops.

      I can imagine how difficult it will be to stabilize the tool with such a wind load

      And who obliges him to carry the external suspension exactly at such a speed? However, with a load outside, he will not develop such a speed.
      Here's another example:
      1. hydroy
        hydroy 26 January 2021 16: 18
        -1
        A very interesting design, I'm sure it can appear with jet engines)
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 26 January 2021 16: 23
          +1
          Quote: hydroy
          I'm sure it will appear with jet engines)

          Yeah, at a speed of 400-500 km / h ... Ridiculous.
          1. hydroy
            hydroy 26 January 2021 16: 27
            -1
            Why? Quite a good system, fast speed and the ability to land on unprepared territory! Helicopters without electronic warfare are becoming easy targets for air defense.
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 26 January 2021 17: 29
              0
              Quote: hydroy
              Why? Quite a good system, fast speed and the ability to land on unprepared territory! Helicopters without electronic warfare are becoming easy targets for air defense.

              Hmm.
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 26 January 2021 16: 30
        0
        Quote: Avis

        And who obliges him to carry the external suspension exactly at such a speed? However, with a load outside, he will not develop such a speed.
        Here's another example:

        Then the meaning of this machine disappears altogether. Just as calmly, the old man UH-60 Black Hawk will cope with this task
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 26 January 2021 16: 31
          +1
          Quote: APASUS
          Quote: Avis

          And who obliges him to carry the external suspension exactly at such a speed? However, with a load outside, he will not develop such a speed.
          Here's another example:

          Then the meaning of this machine disappears altogether. Just as calmly, the old man UH-60 Black Hawk will cope with this task

          Show me the 450 km / h hok.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 26 January 2021 21: 51
            0
            Quote: Avis
            Show me the 450 km / h hok.

            I didn’t stick the gun to the external suspension in the roller, I’m just stating a fact.
            The weapon for the Zamvolt-class destroyers can also send shells for 110 km, but it does not! And here is a similar situation
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 27 January 2021 07: 02
              0
              Quote: APASUS

              I didn’t stick the gun to the external suspension in the roller, I’m just stating a fact.
              The weapon for the Zamvolt-class destroyers can also send shells for 110 km, but it does not! And here is a similar situation

              "What was it?".
        2. hydroy
          hydroy 26 January 2021 16: 33
          0
          The meaning of the machine is to deliver the landing to the point faster than the UH-60, the speed is higher, the stealth is too, the sound is a little quieter, the maneuverability is increased, in general, an interesting machine and while there is room to move)
    2. hydroy
      hydroy 26 January 2021 16: 14
      -1
      most likely people, an increase in speed - an increase in delivery and dynamism) we do not have this and MI-8 will be used until blue in the face, if only the resource does not come out)
  8. Ros 56
    Ros 56 26 January 2021 15: 10
    +1
    Let's wait and see what kind of pheasant it is and what it costs. Let's compare - price-quality in production, plus the cost and reliability of operation. There is something to think about.
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 26 January 2021 16: 15
      -3
      The cost of production for the United States is not a problem, print the world currency and voila money for the Military)
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 26 January 2021 16: 40
        -2
        Something today is the day rich in bots from the basement crawled out for the first time.
        1. hydroy
          hydroy 26 January 2021 16: 44
          -2
          Rich is rich, only the army is not rich) will we use MI-8 until the last old man? no, for 2030 norms, for 2040 it will do, and then what? until 2100?)
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 26 January 2021 17: 06
            0
            And then on Petrel you will fly on Mach 28.
            1. hydroy
              hydroy 26 January 2021 17: 11
              -1
              rather on a bike!
    2. hydroy
      hydroy 26 January 2021 16: 16
      -2
      but for us to create a similar high-speed vert? Well, only KB Kamov is going to do something in this regard, and the format is identical, biaxial with the rear propeller), but the Americans have already created everything for the series, and we have a sketch)))))))))))))))) )))
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 26 January 2021 17: 33
        0
        but for us to create a similar high-speed vert? Well, only KB Kamov is going to do something in this regard

        Our project of a high-speed helicopter based on Mi is being done. bully
        1. hydroy
          hydroy 26 January 2021 17: 40
          -1
          Are you talking about the Russian project of a promising high-speed helicopter RACHEL? the scheme is not similar to the concept that the Americans have, and the Ka-92 is very, but it seems a civilian version ...
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 26 January 2021 17: 43
            0
            LL PSV it is called.
        2. hydroy
          hydroy 26 January 2021 17: 43
          -1
          Are you talking about this helicopter?
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 26 January 2021 17: 58
            0
            Not seen in green. This is more familiar:
      2. garri-lin
        garri-lin 26 January 2021 18: 14
        +2
        The coaxial scheme for a speed-driver is, as it were, initially erroneous. Small increase and lack of prospects for further increase. Plus restrictions on maneuvering at speed. The result will be but it will not be a fountain and very quickly it will not be a cake.
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 27 January 2021 08: 15
          0
          Quote: garri-lin
          speed maneuvering restrictions.

          On SB-1, the propellers are not of the classic design for a coaxial helicopter. Its blades are stiff and do not appear to have hinges.
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 27 January 2021 10: 44
            0
            This does not cancel the increased loads in some modes.
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 27 January 2021 16: 47
              0
              Quote: garri-lin
              This does not cancel the increased loads in some modes.

              What a revelation! :) Have you just now discovered inertia and its presence in an aircraft? :) Well, better late than never ...
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 27 January 2021 17: 30
                0
                Why were the propeller blades originally flexible? Although it was technologically much easier to make them rigid? It's not about inertia, but about the loads on the blade. And the higher the speed, the higher the difference in load at any given time, per revolution. A rigid structure resists such constant loads worse than a flexible one. Therefore, it needs to be made much stronger.
                1. Reviews
                  Reviews 27 January 2021 17: 46
                  0
                  Quote: garri-lin
                  Why were the propeller blades originally flexible? Although it was technologically much easier to make them rigid? It's not about inertia, but about the loads on the blade. And the higher the speed, the higher the difference in load at any given time, per revolution. A rigid structure resists such constant loads worse than a flexible one. Therefore, it needs to be made much stronger.

                  Porridge is in your head, sir. Well, the fact that you don't know how inertia and blade load are interconnected is no comment at all.
                  All sorts of things.
                  1. garri-lin
                    garri-lin 27 January 2021 21: 46
                    0
                    Blade inertia? Or the inertia of the entire aircraft? Or the inertia of air masses? Who would talk about porridge.
                    1. Reviews
                      Reviews 28 January 2021 07: 28
                      0
                      Quote: garri-lin
                      Blade inertia? Or the inertia of the entire aircraft? Or the inertia of air masses? Who would talk about porridge.

                      Of course, the "inertia of the entire aircraft", due to which the blades bend more during maneuvering than during straight flight and there is a danger of collision - the scourge of the coaxial scheme, forcing the NVPs to be greatly spread in height. For a person who knows physics, it is very easy to understand what I mean by context. There is no such danger on the SB-1, as the blades are short, stiff and do not appear to have a horizontal hinge. You should not consider yourself the smartest, but the designers of "Sikorsky" -. They know this better than you.
                      1. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 28 January 2021 10: 47
                        0
                        As if the blades were originally made flexible so that they could more easily transfer loads. They did not resist the load, but rather succumbed to it. This is elementary materials science. A short and stiff blade should be much stronger to cope with the load. I will not say anything about the horizontal hinge. The transmission of vibration to the gearbox will also be enormous. I do not consider myself the smartest. I just see inadequate solutions of others. For a speedboat, the optimal scheme of a bicopter with a blade in an annular channel. Something similar to what flew in the movie Avatar. With push propeller and aerodynamic fuselage. The midship is larger. The only problem.
                      2. Reviews
                        Reviews 28 January 2021 11: 08
                        0
                        Quote: garri-lin
                        As if the blades were originally made flexible so that they could more easily transfer loads. They did not resist the load, but rather succumbed to it. This is elementary materials science. A short and stiff blade should be much stronger to cope with the load. I will not say anything about the horizontal hinge. The transmission of vibration to the gearbox will also be enormous. I do not consider myself the smartest. I just see inadequate solutions of others. For a speedboat, the optimal scheme of a bicopter with a blade in an annular channel. Something similar to what flew in the movie Avatar. With push propeller and aerodynamic fuselage. The midship is larger. The only problem.

                        You do not understand anything either in aviation in particular, or in physics in general.
                        I just see inadequate solutions of others

                        Better wipe the mirror. There are orders of magnitude more inadequacy.
                      3. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 28 January 2021 15: 30
                        0
                        Do you personally understand? Or have you heard enough of other people's tales?
                      4. Reviews
                        Reviews 28 January 2021 16: 08
                        0
                        Quote: garri-lin
                        Do you personally understand?

                        Yes.
                        Or have you heard enough of other people's fairy tales?

                        And again yes:
                        The coaxial scheme for a speed driver seems to be erroneous initially
                        making them tough was technologically much easier
                        similar to what flew in the Avatar movie.
                        I just see inadequate solutions of others
                      5. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 29 January 2021 01: 53
                        0
                        Search for research papers on high-speed vertical takeoff vehicles. From the era of the USSR. They were not even called helicopters. For this is absurd. And the coaxial is doubly absurd. And all the more offensive for the Kamov attempts.
                      6. Reviews
                        Reviews 29 January 2021 06: 51
                        0
                        Quote: garri-lin
                        Search for research papers on high-speed vertical takeoff vehicles. From the era of the USSR. They were not even called helicopters. For this is absurd. And the coaxial is doubly absurd. And all the more offensive for the Kamov attempts.

                        And you look for your brains.
                      7. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 29 January 2021 07: 38
                        0
                        Why search? I use them regularly. And their own and not strangers.
                      8. Reviews
                        Reviews 29 January 2021 08: 38
                        0
                        Quote: garri-lin
                        Why search?

                        "Why should I read books, mister colonel ?!"
                        "And it's true, you probably don't need it ...". © "About the poor hussar ...".
                      9. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 29 January 2021 12: 57
                        0
                        Well, with such mottos he walks easily through life. The main thing is not to bother and think not to start. And the fact that people laugh is nothing.
                      10. Reviews
                        Reviews 29 January 2021 13: 05
                        -1
                        Quote: garri-lin
                        Well, with such mottos he walks easily through life. The main thing is not to bother and think not to start.

                        Hmm, about "search your brains" it was a cruel joke. But suddenly it turned out to be no joke. This I illustrated is yours "motto" quote from the classics:
                        Look for your brains.

                        garri-lin (shooter)
                        Why search?

                        Avis (Sergey)
                        "Why should I read books, mister colonel ?!"
                        "And it's true, you probably don't need it ...". © "About the poor hussar ...".

                        But it’s useless for you to go looking for brains: even if you poke your nose into them, you don’t understand what it is and why you pass by.
                        And the fact that people laugh is nothing.

                        No, laughing at you is already somehow awkward - in Russia it is not customary to laugh at the holy fools.
                      11. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 29 January 2021 21: 08
                        0
                        And what about helicopters? And then from constructive criticism only childish: "Sam". By high-speed aircraft? Not absurd.
                      12. Reviews
                        Reviews 30 January 2021 06: 36
                        0
                        Quote: garri-lin
                        And what about helicopters? And then from constructive criticism only childish: "Sam". By high-speed aircraft? Not absurd.

                        I have already "said about helicopters" more than once, but you have nothing to understand what you read.
                      13. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 30 January 2021 11: 14
                        0
                        Except for empty delusion and the assumption of the absence of a hinge, I saw nothing from the helicopters. Well, and also about the hard blade. Short. Which is not as efficient by default.
                      14. Reviews
                        Reviews 30 January 2021 11: 29
                        0
                        Quote: garri-lin
                        Except for empty delusion and the assumption of the absence of a hinge, I saw nothing from the helicopters. Well, and also about the hard blade. Short. Which is not as efficient by default.

                        You cannot see anything but a poured glass.
  • hydroy
    hydroy 26 January 2021 16: 10
    -1
    no analogues
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 26 January 2021 16: 22
    +2
    American high-speed helicopter SB-1 Defiant redesigned

    I was interested in the success of the Russian Helicopters holding and what it can offer. Here's what I found:
    The Ka-92 is a project of a high-speed helicopter with coaxial rotors, developed by KB Kamov as a competitor to the model proposed by KB Mil. The project was developed by order of the government of the Russian Federation. The project cost is estimated at $ 1,3 billion ...The concept design and some technical specifications were submitted at the professional exhibition HeliRussia-2009 at Crocus Expo ... In 2015, control over the development of the Mi-X1 and Ka-92 models was transferred from the Ministry of Industry and Trade to the Ministry of Defense, due to a reduction in government funding and an increase in operating costs. According to the general of the Russian Air Force, the first flights of prototypes will take place in 2018, and by 2022 serial production of models will be established ...

    And more:

    It turns out that in the USA:
    The multipurpose high-speed helicopter Defiant-X (SB> 1 Defiant) is being created on a competitive basis as part of the US Army's program to create a family of promising army aviation helicopters. Development has been underway since 2015.

    And we see a product that is already undergoing modernization. And we have?
    ... and by 2022 serial production of models will be launched

    These, or what?

    I was not often interested in promising products from Russian manufacturers. But then I was completely disappointed. Maybe this line no longer interests anyone?
    And it was just one phrase that prompted this:
    Quote: Ros 56
    Let's wait and see what kind of pheasant it is and what it costs. Let's compare - price-quality in production, plus the cost and reliability of operation. There is something to think about.

    It seems that someone liked the line: "Jump and shake!" Until what we will have time to live - I do not know.
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 26 January 2021 16: 26
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      Your message is not the projected Ka-92 high-speed helicopter, but the long-established Ka-50 Black Shark attack helicopter. And that's what KA-92!
    2. hydroy
      hydroy 26 January 2021 16: 30
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      Here's another layout, not natural, but still
    3. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 26 January 2021 16: 33
      +1
      Infographics with helicopters X series. This is a whole family of helicopters.

      A competitor in this program Bell V-280 Valor flew at a cruising speed of 518 km / h in January 2019, a month ago it reached a speed of 565 km / h
      1. hydroy
        hydroy 26 January 2021 16: 38
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        and now let's look at the Mi-8AMTSh-VN ahahahahahahah, we love proven weapons, only its format is outdated) You can recall that there was also a difference in weapons in the Crimean one and it also played an important role)
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 26 January 2021 16: 39
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          Only weapons made in the USSR are in serial production. The Yeltsin-Putin government was unable to create anything new.
          1. hydroy
            hydroy 26 January 2021 16: 41
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            KA-52 is new, SU-57 is new, armata is new! Only the transporters are old !! They don't want to change it for high-speed turntables hiding behind prices! They just don’t want to spend money on new things - and this is knowledge and opportunities!
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          3. Pechkin
            Pechkin 26 January 2021 17: 01
            +1
            And the armored car Tiger, T-90 (or we consider it a deep modernization of the T-72). Ka-52, Typhoon family, etc.
            1. Konnick
              Konnick 26 January 2021 17: 14
              +1
              The Ka-52 is the modernization of the Ka-50 - the first flight in 1982, the T-90 is the modernization of the T-72, right. Typhoon of the nuclear submarine was named by Brezhnev himself, etc. Tiger police car. Su-57, how can I say, the idea of ​​the Soviet Su-47, super-maneuverable, with a forward swept wing, but the execution? There is no version with the new engine yet.
              1. hydroy
                hydroy 26 January 2021 17: 21
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                Let's wait for MIG-41) Super-heavy Ermak, PAK YES) for another 2-3 years and there will be Putin's, Russian for sure !!! In layouts and sketches ...
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 26 January 2021 19: 11
                  -1
                  KR Caliber, Coalition, Mi-28, Poliment / Redoubt, don't you think? Yars? Borey-A? Ash-M?
                  1. Reviews
                    Reviews 27 January 2021 08: 16
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                    I don't know about the others, but the Mi-28 is a development of the 1980s.
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 27 January 2021 09: 03
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                      You are right about the Mi-28. The rest is Russian IMHO. hi
              2. Pechkin
                Pechkin 26 January 2021 17: 33
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                I understand you, but I meant armored vehicles about the Typhoon, and I wanted to write the Ka-52, but I thought that it was already clear about my T90-T72 connection. People work. But of course it is clear that there are few new samples.
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 26 January 2021 18: 57
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                  And what about Peresvet, Iskander, 20380, 22350, Su-34, Su-35, MiG-35, S-350, S-400/500, Gyurza, etc.? bully
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 26 January 2021 22: 17
        +1
        A high-speed helicopter is absurd. The theoretical speed limit is 550 km / h.
        Converters are a smart solution.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 26 January 2021 22: 36
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          Tiltrotors have engines too vulnerable. For Osprey, this is not important, replacing the black hawk is important. There are more strike and strike-reconnaissance helicopters.
          According to the program of which this helicopter is being created 550 km / h and it is not necessary, the military will be satisfied if the cruising speed is brought to 500-520 km / h
          1. Reviews
            Reviews 27 January 2021 07: 04
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            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            The engines of tiltroplanes are too vulnerable.

            No more than any other transport aircraft.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 27 January 2021 08: 22
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              A tiltrotor cannot fly and land on one engine, unlike a helicopter. The helicopter can land at all without working engines on autorotation. Engines on helicopters are protected by the hull, they are removed from tiltrotors, besides, the wings increase the area
              Speaking specifically about these aircraft, the SB-1 has much less IR signature.
              1. Reviews
                Reviews 27 January 2021 16: 52
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                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                A tiltrotor cannot fly and land on one engine

                Yah?! :))) And the Earth is flat and the Americans did not fly to the Moon. :) You would read at least about the materiel about which you are trying to be clever, so as not to disgrace. :)

                unlike a helicopter

                Yeah. :) And also the Chinook and Yak-24 will fall if one engine fails. Yeah. wassat
                The helicopter can land at all without working engines on autorotation

                Not always.

                Helicopter engines are protected by a hull

                What ?! laughing fool Have you seen this "case"? The question is rhetorical. It is either 1,5mm duralumin or composite in general. The usual hood, in general.
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 27 January 2021 17: 08
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                  Quote: Avis
                  You would read at least about the materiel about which you are trying to be clever, so as not to disgrace.

                  I highly recommend that you do this, especially the experience of operating Osprey. Research on their disasters. The theory must be confirmed by practice.
                  Quote: Avis
                  more Chinook and Yak-24 will fall if one engine fails. Yeah.

                  I say that helicopter schemes are more reliable, these helicopters will be able to land if the engine fails.
                  Quote: Avis
                  Have you seen this "case"? The question is rhetorical. It is either 1,5mm duralumin or composite in general.

                  I saw, as it were, tanks, equipment, Kevlar lining and / or light armor in the military, etc.
                  12,7 / 14,5 will get stuck in something for sure, 23/30 is as lucky.

                  I know that you are a liar, now I found out what is hamlo. Great, what's next?
                  1. Reviews
                    Reviews 27 January 2021 17: 13
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                    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                    Quote: Avis
                    You would read at least about the materiel about which you are trying to be clever, so as not to disgrace.

                    I highly recommend that you do this, especially the experience of operating Osprey. Research on their disasters. The theory must be confirmed by practice.
                    Quote: Avis
                    more Chinook and Yak-24 will fall if one engine fails. Yeah.

                    I say that helicopter schemes are more reliable, these helicopters will be able to land if the engine fails.
                    Quote: Avis
                    Have you seen this "case"? The question is rhetorical. It is either 1,5mm duralumin or composite in general.

                    I saw, as it were, tanks, equipment, Kevlar lining and / or light armor in the military, etc.
                    12,7 / 14,5 will get stuck in something for sure, 23/30 is as lucky.

                    I know that you are a liar, now I found out what is hamlo. Great, what's next?

                    And then - a repetition that you are an ignoramus and a balabol. 12,7 "stuck" in the hood? Well, you already ... fool
                    About "one engine" - read about sync.
  • yfast
    yfast 26 January 2021 16: 24
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    The exhaust will hit the pushing screw. Is it really so environmentally friendly and “stealf”?
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 26 January 2021 16: 28
      +3
      Quote: yfast
      The exhaust will hit the pushing screw.

      ... thereby mixing with the cold ambient air and "sprayed" over a large volume, smearing the IR exposure.
  • realmadmaxx
    realmadmaxx 27 January 2021 07: 20
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    is the next budget cut planned? good
    Well, I'm only FOR!
  • Russian2020
    Russian2020 27 January 2021 07: 29
    -1
    It turned out that shit can't fly