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Russia is building a coastal base for underwater nuclear robots "Poseidon"

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The tests of the K-329 Belgorod submarine, which is supposed to carry the Poseidon robotic nuclear systems, are nearing completion. This statement was made by the general director of the Sevmash enterprise Mikhail Budnichenko.


About it сообщает newspaper "Izvestia".

In parallel with this, a coastal base for underwater nuclear robots is being built in Russia. The construction of the base is planned to be completed in summer 2022. The created onshore infrastructure for storage and maintenance of new underwater equipment will allow it to last longer. It will include warehouses and workshops equipped with everything necessary.

The Russian Defense Ministry has not yet reported on the location of the submarines with the Poseidon maritime robotic systems on board.

Work on this new type of strategic weapons is progressing well. The crew of the submarine cruiser "Belgorod", which will be the first carrier of this weapons, is already mastering the control of a nuclear robot.


For the first time about the creation of "Poseidon" became known in 2015. Then the press reported the development by Russian engineers of an underwater nuclear torpedo designed to destroy strategic infrastructure of the enemy in the coastal zone. This robotic complex has an unlimited range. It aims at the target using the autopilot. According to experts, the size of the device allows it to accommodate a warhead, the power of which is higher than that of an intercontinental ballistic missile.
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 14 January 2021 09: 25
    +5
    Excellent! The Yankees will express their extreme concern.
    1. Woodman
      Woodman 14 January 2021 09: 27
      +1
      Quote: Pessimist22
      express their extreme concern.

      And they will impose sanctions against SP-2)
      1. venik
        venik 14 January 2021 13: 50
        +1
        Quote: Lesovik
        And they will impose sanctions against SP-2)

        =======
        What else did not enter?? belay
        Or do they need "Poseidon" for this?
        1. Woodman
          Woodman 14 January 2021 15: 01
          -1
          Quote: venik
          And what have not been introduced yet ???

          With a sense of humor at all trouble?
          1. venik
            venik 14 January 2021 15: 10
            0
            Quote: Lesovik
            With a sense of humor at all trouble?

            =========
            In the sense - you? Then - it means I was mistaken when you "plusanulsanul"! Well, well: "I was wrong, I got excited, I promise to improve, I ask you to give me the opportunity to atone!"

            lol
            1. Woodman
              Woodman 14 January 2021 15: 15
              0
              Quote: venik
              , please give the opportunity to atone! "

              You can even redeem twice. And if you open my profile, you can at least put a minus for each comment, if it makes it easier for you, I don't mind) And use this message as an indulgence, if suddenly the local moderation sees a violation of the rules in your actions. If Th - I will confirm ... I will confirm ... Karoch will speak in your defense!
              1. venik
                venik 14 January 2021 17: 22
                -3
                Quote: Lesovik
                And use this message as indulgenceif suddenly the local moderation sees a violation of the rules in your actions.

                ==========
                And me it is necessary? In terms of "indulgence"?
                As the hero of one of the Soviet films (director of a turbine plant) said: "And for this I have three state awards and a whole bunch of reprimands of different caliber!".....
                PS Don't worry - I'm not going to "minus"! Simple - I usually don't give ratings to those who are to me not interesting... And you don't seem interesting!
                Conmovedor adios! hi
        2. hydrox
          hydrox 14 January 2021 15: 17
          +5
          They still do not understand what capabilities Poseidon has, only I think, so that Poseidon would not explode somewhere in the Barents Sea, without reaching his capabilities to New York, it would be necessary now not to indulge in Poseidon bases, but to cover everything The Barents Sea is a solid hydrophone carpet, otherwise the enemies will finish off our entire submarine, both strategists and multi-purpose ones, uncaught. The same must be done throughout the NSR, especially in narrows and bypasses, as well as to enclose the entire Kamchatka with a hydrophone fence 100 km from Avacha Bay and the entire Kuril ridge at least in 2 rows
          I consider this a priority task due to the lack of modern anti-submarine service and the high noise level of our nuclear submarines, which is why they go deaf
          1. Volder
            Volder 14 January 2021 21: 29
            -1
            Quote: hydrox
            ... the high noise level of our nuclear submarines, which makes them go deaf
            Our modern nuclear submarines are so quiet that neither enemy mines nor enemy submarines will react to them. Even on third-generation submarines, our submariners managed to surface undetected off the coast of the United States and in the middle of a warrant for NATO exercises.
            1. AC130 Ganship
              AC130 Ganship 14 January 2021 21: 42
              +2
              Well, Varshavyanka (when there are 5 nodes on batteries), let's say quiet. Only they will definitely not reach NY. There will be no food left on board. I read something completely different about other boats
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 16 January 2021 15: 23
                0
                Quote: AC130 Ganship
                Well, Varshavyanka (when there are 5 nodes on batteries), let's say quiet. Only they will definitely not reach NY.
                Fuck us that NY ... Chief, we go to Portland.
        3. Pravodel
          Pravodel 15 January 2021 10: 02
          +1
          And what have not been introduced yet ???

          So now they will impose sanctions against "Poseidon" so that they no longer get them ...
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 14 January 2021 09: 28
      +11
      Quote: Pessimist22
      the Yankees will express extreme concern.

      It is not all the same for our Foreign Ministry to express concern and displeasure ...
      1. Dread
        Dread 14 January 2021 10: 55
        0
        Quote: evgen1221
        After all, according to PR, he can (exaggeratedly from the underwater Balaklava bunker) go out himself to the designated waiting area, lie down, wait, having received microwave signal Attack.

        You probably meant ultra-long (ultra-low) EMW (electromagnetic waves or oscillations). The microwave signal (microwave emv) does not pass through the water column. It is possible to use transmission systems for message transmission based on the passage of neutrinos through the water column.
        1. Operator
          Operator 14 January 2021 11: 16
          -1
          The radio emission of the Russian transmitter "Zeus" at a frequency of several tens of hertz does not only pass through the water - it passes through the Earth.
        2. Pravodel
          Pravodel 15 January 2021 10: 05
          +1
          based on the passage of neutrinos

          From here, please, in more detail. It is necessary to inform the adversary about the use of neutrinos so that the adversary understands that he will not hide from us even in an underground bunker.
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 16 January 2021 15: 45
            +1
            Quote: The Truth
            adversary ... will not hide from us even in an underground bunker
            And the deeper the bunker, the faster it will not hide.
    3. BecmepH
      BecmepH 14 January 2021 10: 46
      -8
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Excellent!

      Again cartoons ...
      1. venik
        venik 14 January 2021 13: 56
        +4
        Quote: BecmepH
        Again cartoons ...

        ========
        Is it such sophisticated sarcasm, or impenetrable dullness? what
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH 15 January 2021 10: 40
          +1
          Quote: venik
          Quote: BecmepH
          Again cartoons ...

          ========
          Is it such sophisticated sarcasm, or impenetrable dullness? what

          This is sarcasm, of course. But you famously veiled the insult to me. "Plus" to you for that.
          Well, another experiment.) I wanted to know how many "minuses" are thrown)) A knowledgeable person will understand my sarcasm, and amateurs will drown in shit ...
          We look at the ratio of "+" and "-")))
    4. smart ass
      smart ass 14 January 2021 11: 01
      +9
      Why carriers! Build a Poseidon base on a cube, let them drip on their own
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 14 January 2021 15: 22
        +4
        But this is a very far-sighted thought: it is Cuba that invites us to settle on Cien Fuegos, if not a base, then at least a point.
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 14 January 2021 16: 05
          0
          I'm a smart guy
      2. AC130 Ganship
        AC130 Ganship 14 January 2021 21: 46
        0
        Cuba can't wait for the Americans to lift the sanctions. There, few people believe in communism and Fidel's ideas. And they are tired of riding carts and rusty grandfather's bicycles. They want American tourists on the beaches. The Russian base will not even give them 5% money from what the Americans can give when the border is officially opened. Unofficially, there were several civil flights a day to Covid to Florida ...
      3. Crane
        Crane 14 January 2021 22: 40
        0
        Why carriers! Build a Poseidon base on a cube,
        =============
        Khrushchev was already building a couple.
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 15 January 2021 08: 38
          0
          Yeah, so the ussr and removed state missiles from turkey
    5. Max Lebedev
      Max Lebedev 14 January 2021 13: 21
      +15
      Quote: Pessimist22
      the Yankees will express extreme concern

      About the militarization of the Arctic.
  2. evgen1221
    evgen1221 14 January 2021 09: 29
    +13
    The concept of Poseidon itself is somewhat incomprehensible. If it is autonomous and unlimited and, consequently, has a supply of energy, plus it is transported on its back, then in principle it should be several times less noticeable than the apl carrying it. Since it is autonomous, it is not difficult to sew up a program of actions to strike.
    Then why does he even need an APL of his own? This will unmask the way out with him from the base, and the base itself. There are many chances of losing him before deployment, plus the cost of the APL. Why then sve it. After all, according to PR, he can (exaggeratedly from the underwater Balaklava bunker) go out himself to the designated waiting area, lie down, wait, having received a microwave signal to attack. As needed, float up and lie down on the hump of the APL for prevention. Why would he have an APL to go out to sea then?
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 14 January 2021 09: 35
      +4
      Quote: evgen1221
      Why would he have an APL to go out to sea then?

      uh ... let's say for a covert combat patrol.
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 14 January 2021 09: 40
        +11
        Covert patrol? This is a big bandura, in what place will it be more secretive than the little one she drags on her hump? And about this moment with Poseidon.
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 14 January 2021 09: 51
          -1
          Quote: evgen1221
          Covert patrol? This is a big bandura, in what place will it be more secretive than the little one she drags on her hump? And about this moment with Poseidon.

          already on a stationary base, he certainly will not become more secretive.
      2. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 14 January 2021 09: 45
        -3
        Quote: Aerodrome
        uh ... let's say for a covert combat patrol.
        On this topic there is a wonderful story by Oleg Divov "On the issue of navigational accidents". Here in my opinion it is much more intelligible than this rather dull "Poseidon".
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 14 January 2021 09: 40
      -11%
      Poseidon is very heavy, it has no internal volumes for air. To swim, he needs speed and depth reserve. Those. from the coastal shallow water it cannot be launched.
      Poseidon is more noticeable than a submarine, because of the high speed it will howl over the entire ocean, which strongly unmasks, accordingly you need to launch closer to the target.
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 14 January 2021 09: 52
        +3
        Poseidon is more noticeable than a submarine, because of the high speed it will howl over the entire ocean, which strongly unmasks, accordingly you need to launch closer to the target.

        Have you come up with it? Everyone says the opposite about its stealth.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 January 2021 10: 27
          +14
          Quote: OrangeBigg
          Everyone talks the other way around about his stealth.

          Who says something? :))))) Those who are not boom-boom in the affairs of the fleet. A fast underwater object, by definition, cannot be slow. For nuclear submarines, low-noise moves are 5-8 knots for the 3rd generation, and about 20 knots for the fourth. Torpedoes make more noise - if we take data on products of comparable years of production, then torpedoes Mk 48 mod.1 torpedo in low-noise mode of movement (28 knots) approximately corresponded to the noise level of submarines of the Permit and Sturgeon type at a speed of 10 knots. A torpedo going at 45-55 knots will be much noisier than the nuclear submarine that launched it (if it goes on a low-noise run)
          And for Poseidon, more than 100 knots are indicated. What low noise is there?
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 14 January 2021 14: 50
            +9
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Who says something? :))))) Those who are not boom-boom in the affairs of the fleet. A fast underwater object, by definition, cannot be slow-moving ... A torpedo going at 45-55 knots will be much noisier than the nuclear submarine that launched it (if it goes on a low-noise run)
            And for Poseidon, more than 100 knots are indicated. What kind of low noise is there?

            I do not pretend to be an expert on marine objects, but, following the analogy, when the speedometer of a car says 200 km / h, this does not mean at all that she cannot go at a speed of 5 km / h. In addition, in the statements of informed persons it sounded that "..... despite its compactness, the reactor (drone) has two power modes: low-power and powerful. The transition between modes is carried out in a drone" 200 times faster "than in modern reactors Nuclear submarine Liquid metal can withstand extreme overheating of thousands of degrees without strong thermal expansion Rapid change in reactor power for nuclear submarines and drone is required for quick exit from stealth mode "sneaking".... "From which we can conclude that such a regime is provided for in the discussed product. This means that the issues of noise, and issues of buoyancy or maintaining a given depth of movement have been resolved. By and large, the product itself is classified. Information on it is most likely has the level of “assumptions” or “guesses.” Accordingly, the discussion of the capabilities of the product, its ability to solve operational and strategic tasks, and even more so, the discussion of the mental abilities of the people who create them and adopt them, is nothing more than an attempt by a narrow-minded layman to promote himself on criticism of authority figures.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 14 January 2021 15: 35
              0
              Quote: Hagen
              Following the analogy, when 200 km / h is stated on the speedometer of a car, this does not mean at all that it cannot go at a speed of 5 km / h.

              We are not talking about moves, but about detections and interceptions, and, well, about the fact that somehow you can't get away from interception by 5 km / hour ...
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 14 January 2021 16: 13
                +2
                Quote: hydrox
                well, that somehow you can't get away from interception by 5 km / hour.

                At great depths?
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 14 January 2021 16: 16
                  -2
                  At any depth available for anti-submarine torpedoes and anti-torpedo devices.
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 14 January 2021 17: 26
                    0
                    And how many of these anti-torpedo devices are needed per square kilometer of the Atlantic Arctic and Pacific oceans - tens of thousands of hundreds of thousands, one MU 90 torpedo that can hypothetically intercept Poseidon to a depth of 1000 meters costs under 2,5 million green.
                    1. Fizik M
                      Fizik M 16 January 2021 01: 28
                      -1
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      And how many of these anti-torpedo devices are needed per square kilometer of the Atlantic Arctic and Pacific oceans - tens of thousands of hundreds of thousands, one MU 90 torpedo that can hypothetically intercept Poseidon to a depth of 1000 meters costs under 2,5 million green.

                      don't bullshit hurt her
                      "square-nested" no one will work
                      for PPS R-8 will provide EXACT control
              2. Hagen
                Hagen 14 January 2021 16: 28
                0
                Quote: hydrox
                This is not about moves, but about detections and interceptions

                Have you read the comment to which I answered? It specifically stated that "... For nuclear submarines, low-noise moves are 5-8 knots for the 3rd generation, and about 20 knots for the fourth. Torpedoes are louder - if we take data on products of comparable years of release ... for Poseidon more than 100 knots are indicated. What is the low noise? ... "In addition, a certain" stealth mode "is mentioned as a characteristic for Poseidon. How it is achieved, except for low speed, is not said in details (only assumptions are made, just like about the general appearance of the product), but nevertheless ... This is to your question about detection. The mention of avoiding interception at low speed smiled. Apparently the phrase about the two modes of operation of the reactor passed by laughing
            2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 January 2021 16: 23
              +3
              Quote: Hagen
              nothing more than an attempt of a dim-witted layman to promote himself on criticism of authority figures.

              Ooooh, what a pain, Hagen, what a pain :))))))) Well, why are you still getting into a fight? It will hurt you even more, that's all.
              Quote: Hagen
              Accordingly, the discussion of the capabilities of the product, its ability to solve operational and strategic tasks, and even more so, the discussion of the mental abilities of people

              The problem is, I haven't discussed anybody's intelligence. Personally, my abilities are noticeably above average, but at the same time I am not a boom-boom in many things, including, for example, nuclear physics or the resistance of materials.
              Your ability is not even enough to understand - mental ability is one thing, but competence in a specific issue is completely different.
              Quote: Hagen
              In addition, in the statements of those in the know, it was said that "..... despite its compactness, the reactor (drone) has two power modes: low-power and powerful. The transition between modes is carried out in a drone" 200 times faster "than in modern reactors Nuclear submarine.

              Let's clarify - this most competent person is V.V. Putin. Who has not served a day in the navy, and hardly knows much about him. And to whom the responsible persons in my memory have already "put noodles on their ears", presenting some events in a completely wrong light. And they got away with it.
              Thus, we can talk about banal disinformation (not by Putin, but by Putin). As a matter of fact, if Putin knew about the issues of the fleet, what is happening in our fleet today would be simply impossible.
              And finally, the cherry on top. I seem to have listened attentively to Putin's message to the Federal Assembly, but I have not heard about the "low-power mode of power". The President said that the drone is low-noise and that the drone reaches combat power “200 times faster” than in the reactors of modern nuclear submarines. And this is completely different.
              So, Hagen, you will nevertheless continue with a reference to Putin's speech, in which he says that "the reactor (drone) has two power modes: low-power and powerful." This will not prove anything, but I wonder if this was statement at all?
              Quote: Hagen
              I do not pretend to be an expert on marine objects, but, following the analogy, when 200 km / h is stated on the speedometer of a car, this does not mean at all that she cannot go at a speed of 5 km / h

              Following your parody of logic, the Boeing 747 may well fly at a speed of 5 km / h, because it is also capable of developing more than 980 km per hour!
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 14 January 2021 16: 54
                +3
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Well, why do you keep getting into a fight? It will hurt you even more, that's all.

                In my opinion, this is not a fight, but beating of babies ... wassat
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                The problem is, I haven't discussed anybody's intelligence.

                Andrey, do not consider yourself the center of the universe. Be humble. The Poseidon theme has been discussed not for the first time, and many authors have already "walked" through the creators. I just gave my opinion on these discussions in general. Not only about you. You just worked as an excuse for it.
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Following your parody of logic, the Boeing 747 may well fly at a speed of 5 km / h, because it is also capable of developing more than 980 km per hour!

                You try to seem well versed in aero and hydrodynamics, but somehow you did not guess that in addition to the 747 there is also the Yak-141 (there was in any case) or the F-35B, if you are so worried about the American manufacturer laughing Although it may be just, as you say, competence?
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Let's clarify - this most competent person is V.V. Putin.

                Your abilities may be above average, but the fact that you cannot even transfer the wording from one line to another correctly does not confirm this. After all, I have never called Putin, let alone "the most competent." I mentioned "informed persons", to whom I ranked not only the president, but also some others (fear not, not you) who covered this topic on the Internet. In general, you invented the whole paragraph with cherries yourself and are touched by your wit.
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 January 2021 17: 59
                  0
                  Quote: Hagen
                  In my opinion, this is not a fight, but beating of babies ..

                  "Note, I did not suggest it!" (from)
                  Quote: Hagen
                  I just gave my opinion on these discussions in general. Not only about you. You just worked as an excuse for it.

                  You just got nasty at me once again, well, and that's why? :))) Not tired of being dishonored by the whole Internet? However, your business, of course.
                  Quote: Hagen
                  You try to seem versed in aero and hydrodynamics, but somehow you did not guess that in addition to the 747 there is also the Yak-141 (it was in any case) or the F-35B

                  But you cited as an example a car that is generally no sideways to movement in the aquatic environment. And reproach me for Boeing? :) And even now, you are arguing from scratch, because there is a FACT - if something can move in water or in air at high speed, it does not mean at all that it can move there and at low speed ...
                  Of course, you, as usual, will pretend that you have not noticed the essence of the statement. And who are you trying to deceive with this? Me? Readers of our correspondence?
                  I can only repeat: the desire to dishonor you on the whole Internet is your business.
                  Quote: Hagen
                  Your abilities may be above average, but the fact that you cannot even transfer the wording from one line to another correctly does not confirm this. After all, I have never called Putin, let alone "the most competent"

                  You also do not speak Russian.
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  this is the most competent person

                  can be read as "this is the MOST COMPETENT person" and "this is the most .... COMPETENT person". For the smallest: the word "most" here can form either "this most" or "the most competent".
                  Quote: Hagen
                  I mentioned "informed persons", to whom I ranked not only the president, but also some others (fear not, not you) who covered this topic on the Internet.

                  Yes, no question, let's link to these competent persons, let's see what they said
                  "Sister name, name!" (from)
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 14 January 2021 20: 24
                    0
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    And even now, you are arguing from scratch, because there is a FACT - if something can move in water or in air at high speed, this does not mean at all that it can move there and at low speed.

                    You definitely did not study logic at the university. Therefore, if something can move in water or in air at high speed, this does not mean at all that it cannot move there and at low speed. About "there is a FACT". Is he really there? Are you sure that all this infa about Poseidon with pictures in the hands of the general is true? I admit a lot of versions, starting with the fact that the entire Poseidon project is disinformation, from beginning to end. Also, the part in which the external appearance of the real project was lit up can be a deception. Here is a missile from a MiG-31 launched and characteristics were taken. And about Poseidon - nothing. And you are a FACT .....
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    You just got nasty at me once again, well, and that's why? :)))

                    Where did you consider the rudeness and impudence shown specifically in your address? "Dull layman" is a quite literary term, despite the fact that you really show some kind of "eccentricity" by your ambitious denial of completely worked out solutions at various underwater objects.
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    You also do not speak Russian.

                    Do you want to prick? It's not for you to teach me. You didn’t bring up a single specific thought during the whole discussion. All the grievances are kind of childish ...
                    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 January 2021 10: 26
                      0
                      Quote: Hagen
                      You definitely did not study logic at the university.

                      Yes, where can I :)))
                      Quote: Hagen
                      Therefore, if something can move in water or in air at high speed, this does not mean at all that it cannot move there and at low speed.

                      So you admit that Poseidon cannot move at low speed under water?
                      Quote: Hagen
                      About "there is a FACT". Is he really there?

                      Couldn't read it? try again
                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                      And even now, you are arguing from scratch, because there is a FACT - if something can move in water or in air at high speed, this does not mean at all that it can move there and at low speed.

                      So yes, the fact is, the Boeing 747 is an example of this.
                      Quote: Hagen
                      Are you sure that all this infa about Poseidon with pictures in the hands of the general is true? I admit a lot of versions

                      I do not limit you at all in your tolerances. But I asked you a specific question. You referred to some responsible persons who stated that the "Poseidon" has the ability to move at low speed
                      Quote: Hagen
                      I mentioned "informed persons", to whom I ranked not only the president, but also some others (fear not, not you) who covered this topic on the Internet.

                      Where are the links? Where are the quotes?
                      Quote: Hagen
                      Where did you consider the rudeness and impudence shown specifically in your address? "Foolish layman" is a quite literary term

                      Obviously, you have never said this to anyone in person, which is why life has not taught you what rudeness is.
                      So, Hagen. Leaving aside your usual chatter, the discussion boils down to the fact that you:
                      1) Declared that "Poseidon" can move at a low speed, referring to the "informed persons" unnamed by you
                      2) I was declared a dim-witted layman who was promoting himself on criticism of authority figures

                      Attention, 2 questions. What "authority figures" reported that the Poseidon had a low-noise course? What "authoritative persons" am I promoting? Confirm your words with at least something :)))))))
                      And yes, without confirmation of your words - I see no reason to continue the discussion. Learn to already be responsible for your own cues
                      1. Hagen
                        Hagen 15 January 2021 11: 31
                        -1
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Therefore, if something can move in water or in air at high speed, this does not mean at all that it cannot move there and at low speed.
                        So you admit that Poseidon cannot move at low speed under water?

                        I wonder how you came to this conclusion? Judging by the answer, my phrase "You definitely did not study logic in the university" is 100500% correct. I sympathize... laughing
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        So yes, the fact is, the Boeing 747 is an example of this.

                        Okay, let's go a long way ... Explain, on the basis of what laws of physics you claim that the discussed item cannot move at a speed lower than the maximum?
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        But I asked you a specific question

                        I give a concrete answer: under the article in WIKI there is a large list of links to materials presented in the public domain on this topic. There are a lot of authoritative people representing not only politicians, but also some research institutes. Read on. I have no authority to teach you. If you want to refute - please, but with the texture. While everything is somehow not very easy ...
                        With semantics, you are also somehow uneven. And yes, you shouldn't appeal to my life experience. You don’t know him, and it’s your reasoning that is boltology. Although you are here trying to lay claim to journalistic bread .... Check out in advance the international principles of professional ethics of a journalist, adopted at a consultative meeting of international and regional journalistic organizations in Paris on November 20, 1983. Helpful.
                      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 January 2021 12: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: Hagen
                        I give a concrete answer: under the article in WIKI there is a large list of links to materials presented in the public domain on this topic.

                        "I congratulate you sovramshi" ("The Master and Margarita")
                        In the wiki, there is only ONE link to this statement, and it sounds like this
                        V. Putin also said that, despite its compactness, the reactor has two power modes: low-power and powerful.

                        This is confirmed by the reference to the article "Simply fantastic. Putin announced the development of unmanned submarines."
                        But the problem is that the article itself doesn't say a WORD about it. Literally it says the following:
                        In 2017, tests of a compact nuclear reactor were completed, which will supply energy to promising drones. It turned out to be 100 times smaller than the power plants of conventional submarines, more powerful and 200 times faster to gain maximum power.

                        Also attached to the article is a link to the recording of Putin's speech before the Federal Assembly. And in it, as I wrote above, Putin does not say anything like that either :))))
                        So - I congratulate you on another landing in a puddle in front of all honest people. You called me a narrow-minded layman, but in fact turned out to be one yourself, since you could not even verify the validity of the wiki's statement.
                        But I warned
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Well, why do you keep getting into a fight? It will hurt you even more, that's all.
                      3. Hagen
                        Hagen 15 January 2021 12: 44
                        0
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        There is only ONE link to this statement in the wiki

                        Why are you digging into me with your Putin? You can’t live until he’s on the boot ...? I repeat, I did not mention the name "Putin" for reasons of principle. Listen, I'll call you what you deserve, will you be offended again ?!
                        Under article 113 references. Search there only for a quote from Putin only occurs to you. Take quotes from the Lexins, for example. Quite dear people in the topic under discussion. You can read Sivkov, there are also foreign experts. And if you cannot live without Putin, then carefully watch the video that was shown during his speech. Especially at that moment when some yellow contraption floated out of the bowels of the submarine. Pay attention to the channels with a screw across the axis of the product ..... This is the question about Boeing and speed .... True, then this product is transformed into another, not similar to the first. But this once again suggests that even the external appearance of this device is not yet ready to expose to the public.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        You called me a dim-witted layman

                        So you yourself are asking for it, what else to tell you ?!
                      4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 January 2021 15: 09
                        +2
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Why are you digging into me with your Putin

                        You see. You referred to the wiki :))) And the wiki refers to Putin :))) That is, you, referring to the wiki, referred to Putin :))))))) Is this so difficult for you?
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Under article 113 references.

                        Hagen, you couldn't even on wiki. If there are 113 links under article, it DOES NOT MEAN that all 113 links confirm the WHOLE text of the article :)))) The links confirm SEPARATE statements of this article
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Take quotes from the Lexins, for example. Quite dear people in the topic under discussion.

                        Have you read them yourself? :))) Lexins do not claim anything like Poseidon. Lexins considered possible super torpedo layouts without any relation to Poseidon:
                        This article discusses the issues of hydroacoustic (GA) stealth of a super torpedo for the following two options (modifications) of its implementation:
                        High-speed (up to 100 knots) deep-water (1 km), almost instantly accelerating super torpedo, unattainable for NATO anti-torpedoes.
                        A super torpedo, like an ordinary but uninhabited, tiny submarine, slowly accelerating to a steady speed of about 20 knots. (possibly up to 50 knots) and going at a depth of about 50 ... 100 m, vulnerable to NATO torpedoes, but having increased hydroacoustic stealth.

                        But the wiki (namely VIKI, not the Lexin brothers) writes:
                        V. Putin's statement that the drone has two speed modes with a quick transition between them put an end to the discussions of experts on how the drone's stealth means are organized. Experts like Maxim Klimov or Konstantin Sivkov, who assumed only the speed limit, turned out to be wrong

                        And then he already quotes the Leksins.
                        You still do not understand what kind of game you are carrying. Neither Leksins nor any other authoritative experts claimed that Poseidon has 2 modes, one of which is low-noise and low-speed. This unknown author of the wiki decided that since Putin made a statement about two Poseidon regimes, it means that the reasoning of the Lexin brothers is applicable to Poseidon. And the Leksins just talked about how noisy the hypothetical objects would be - a fast super torpedo and a torpedo with increased stealth. Not tied to Poseidon.
                        But Putin did not make this statement, therefore, the conclusion of the author of the wiki is incorrect, which means that the reasoning of the Lexins has nothing to do with it.
                        In general, you, Hagen, were bought for an elementary trick. One person stated that a fox can be underwater for a long time. In support of this, he said that he had seen a fox use scuba gear, and cited a link to a bunch of scientific and practical works on the use of scuba gear, proving that scuba gear really allows you to stay under water for a long time.
                        You are now proving that the fox can breathe under water, justifying this with the very numerous links :))))) And you do not understand that the links are correct. The statement that the fox can use scuba gear is wrong :)))))))))))
                      5. Hagen
                        Hagen 15 January 2021 16: 09
                        0
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        You are now proving that a fox can breathe underwater

                        You answer the question asked on the basis of what laws of physics do you claim that the item under discussion cannot move at a speed lower than the maximum? Don't set up a zoo with scuba diving foxes. I mentioned the Lexins "for example". And you tell me again about Putin. Is he a relative of yours? Well, you do not like him, your right. I don't care about that. I would like to know just one of your answers. Without spreading thoughts along the tree, if possible ...
                      6. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 January 2021 20: 45
                        +1
                        Quote: Hagen
                        You answer the question asked on the basis of what laws of physics do you claim that the item under discussion cannot move at a speed lower than the maximum?

                        My dear, the Jew here is me. So you don't have to answer my question with a question. You wrote me
                        Quote: Hagen
                        In addition, in the statements of those in the know, it was said that "..... despite its compactness, the reactor (drone) has two power modes: low-power and powerful.

                        Take the trouble to answer for your words, then I will be ready to continue the "conversation" further
                      7. Hagen
                        Hagen 15 January 2021 21: 44
                        0
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        My dear, the Jew here is me.

                        No answer. You are dull, boring and uninteresting ...
                      8. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 16 January 2021 13: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: Hagen
                        No answer.

                        There really is no answer - you avoid answering an uncomfortable question for you, chatting it up by asking new ones. So yes,
                        Quote: Hagen
                        You are dull, boring and uninteresting ...

                        In addition, you are unable to answer for your words.
                        That's where the discussion ends. I think if someone has read this correspondence, everything is already completely clear to him.
                      9. Hagen
                        Hagen 16 January 2021 22: 57
                        0
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        You avoid answering an uncomfortable question, chatting it up by asking new ones.

                        There are no new questions. It is you, presenting yourself as a "boom-boom in questions", are not able to explain your statement and are engaged in verbiage.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        I think if someone read this correspondence

                        And in fact, I only conduct this dialogue with you. No need to hide behind someone else's opinion. Let them think what they want. The important thing is that you shy away from the initial question and turn the dialogue into a pointless empty space a la "Putin lied to everything." You are unreasonably presumptuous. It can be seen that the laurels of "the best ....." shake their heads and do not give to think.
                      10. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 January 2021 10: 17
                        0
                        Quote: Hagen
                        And in fact, I only conduct this dialogue with you.

                        But not me. Dialogues with you have long been uninteresting to me, so I am answering you solely for the sake of readers, whom your nonsense can mislead. When I am sure that it will be obvious to any outside person what nonsense you are writing - I close the discussion
                      11. Hagen
                        Hagen 17 January 2021 14: 25
                        0
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Dialogues with you have long been uninteresting to me

                        You have awakened in me sincere reciprocal feelings. For all the time you have not sounded a single specific thought. Only epic verbiage. In this topic, as well as in the economy, you did not break away from the average mass, no matter how you extol yourself. I am already sorry to waste time on meaningless communication with you. So good luck finding free ears.
  • Fizik M
    Fizik M 16 January 2021 01: 30
    -1
    Quote: Hagen
    From which we can conclude that such a mode is provided in the discussed product. This means that the issues of noise, and issues of buoyancy or maintaining a given depth of movement have been resolved. By and large, the product itself is classified. Information on it, most likely, has the level of "guess" or "guess"

    a physics textbook is enough ...
    to understand all the nonsense of this crap
    the meaning of which only DRINKED
  • dog of war
    dog of war 15 January 2021 23: 27
    0
    So "Poseidon" at this speed moves at a depth of 1 kilometer, below all thermocline and current. I also read that anti-submarine ships cannot use such an advanced acoustic radar as modern nuclear submarines have in the bow, but use towed GAS, which are capable of detecting even a large nuclear submarine at a creep speed of 37 km / h only at a distance of up to 600 m. Then it turns out that anti-submarine ships will not be able to detect Poseidon. How much this looks like the truth, I do not know. I would like knowledgeable people to explain.
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 16 January 2021 10: 59
      0
      , and they use towed GAS, which are able to detect even a large nuclear submarine at a creeping speed of 37 km / h only at a distance of up to 600 m.


      No, this is a mistake, just the towed GAS have a huge range, with a low-frequency oscillator - hundreds of km.
  • Operator
    Operator 14 January 2021 11: 18
    -7
    Poseidon is, by definition, an apparatus, not a torpedo, so it has a ballast tank on board for balancing at any depth.
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 14 January 2021 12: 42
      +8
      It is not there and cannot be, the volumes will not be enough
  • smart ass
    smart ass 15 January 2021 08: 40
    0
    Find him and what to do next?
    1. Fizik M
      Fizik M 16 January 2021 01: 31
      -1
      Quote: Clever man
      Find him and what to do next?

      bring down
  • NDR-791
    NDR-791 14 January 2021 09: 42
    -3
    I also asked such a question, so far without an answer. Accordingly, you have to invent yourself why you need a boat? Could Poseidon be used as a Siren-class underwater tug? There is enough space there, and it is unlikely that he is completely phonetic. And even with such dimensions, it is easier to install not a reactor, but a power supply, and there is more space in it than in Siren. Delivery of saboteurs, etc.
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 14 January 2021 09: 55
    -3
    Quote: evgen1221
    The concept of Poseidon itself is somewhat incomprehensible. If it is autonomous and unlimited and, consequently, has a supply of energy, plus it is transported on its back, then in principle it should be several times less noticeable than the apl carrying it. Since it is autonomous, it is not difficult to sew up a program of actions to strike.
    Then why does he even need an APL of his own? This will unmask the way out with him from the base, and the base itself. There are many chances of losing him before deployment, plus the cost of the APL. Why then sve it. After all, according to PR, he can (exaggeratedly from the underwater Balaklava bunker) go out himself to the designated waiting area, lie down, wait, having received a microwave signal to attack. As needed, float up and lie down on the hump of the APL for prevention. Why would he have an APL to go out to sea then?
    Seabed Agreement. Google it.
    There is a contract. I don’t remember exactly what year. Even from the Khrushchev times. In short, there is a ban on the placement of torpedoes on the shore and at the bottom. Nuclear weapons in the bowels of the oceans. your why.
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 14 January 2021 10: 14
      +3
      Observer 2014 - Thanks for your reply. I didn't know about the contract. And this fact then explains a lot with Poseidon.
    2. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 14 January 2021 10: 18
      -2
      Quote: Observer2014
      Quote: evgen1221
      The concept of Poseidon itself is somewhat incomprehensible. If it is autonomous and unlimited and, consequently, has a supply of energy, plus it is transported on its back, then in principle it should be several times less noticeable than the apl carrying it. Since it is autonomous, it is not difficult to sew up a program of actions to strike.
      Then why does he even need an APL of his own? This will unmask the way out with him from the base, and the base itself. There are many chances of losing him before deployment, plus the cost of the APL. Why then sve it. After all, according to PR, he can (exaggeratedly from the underwater Balaklava bunker) go out himself to the designated waiting area, lie down, wait, having received a microwave signal to attack. As needed, float up and lie down on the hump of the APL for prevention. Why would he have an APL to go out to sea then?
      Seabed Agreement. Google it.
      There is a contract. I don’t remember exactly what year. Even from the Khrushchev times. In short, there is a ban on the placement of torpedoes on the shore and at the bottom. Nuclear weapons in the bowels of the oceans. your why.

      As far as I remember, stationary structures with weapons are prohibited there. Poseidon is not a stationary structure. Yes, and it did not torpedo, so there are no restrictions on launching from the shore
      1. timokhin-aa
        timokhin-aa 14 January 2021 12: 41
        +3
        therefore there are no restrictions on launch from shore


        Yes, and that is why a submarine is being built for it
    3. Brturin
      Brturin 14 January 2021 11: 33
      +1
      Quote: Observer2014
      .In short there is a ban on posting

      In the act with NATO, there is also a ban on deployment, but ... six months and rotation ... the nuclear submarine lay on the bottom while patrolling, sand, the place is quiet .. Any agreement implies control over how they will control ...
      1. timokhin-aa
        timokhin-aa 14 January 2021 12: 41
        +4
        She lay down for a few hours and for repairs.
        1. Brturin
          Brturin 14 January 2021 16: 45
          0
          It is clear that there is a water intake and ... but theoretically, if there was an opportunity
          1. timokhin-aa
            timokhin-aa 14 January 2021 17: 50
            +2
            It was and is, and so it was even done during exercises, but in a real war there can be only one justification for such a risky action - if it is the only possible one to save the boat and perform a combat mission.
            Because the risk of disabling the Z "Y cooling circuit is prohibitively high.
            1. Fizik M
              Fizik M 16 January 2021 01: 32
              -1
              Quote: timokhin-aa
              in a real war, there can be only one justification for such a risky action - if it is the only possible one to save the boat and perform a combat mission.
              Because the risk of disabling the Z "Y cooling circuit is prohibitively high.

              done and worked out
              massively used on BS
              but ... "there are nuances"
              and g ... and in the circus trails foolishly and at the pier you can "pump"
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 14 January 2021 21: 50
          +1
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          She lay down for a few hours and for repairs.

          Alexander, only 941 went to bed. The rest on the depth stabilizer or on liquid soil ...
          Yours faithfully, hi
          1. timokhin-aa
            timokhin-aa 14 January 2021 23: 29
            0
            941 went to bed regularly, without risks, so it was provided for by the construct.
            The rest, respectively, with risks of different levels. I don't know the exact details, but I have come across memories of people from other projects on this topic.
            1. rudolff
              rudolff 16 January 2021 00: 49
              +2
              Until 941 projects, laying on the ground worked well on beeches. Only previously they drove through the dock, part of the outboard fittings were transferred to the upper part of the hull. If I am not mistaken, K-279 (?) In the early 80s even performed rocket firing "from the bottom". The exercises also practiced torpedo attacks with practical shooting after laying on the ground. Other projects, not only strategists, also went to bed. Mostly in the 80s.
              Iceing was also practiced. They rested with a retractable fence into the ice and hung without the operation of the depth machine.
              1. timokhin-aa
                timokhin-aa 16 January 2021 10: 57
                +1
                I didn't know such details, thanks.
              2. rudolff
                rudolff 16 January 2021 14: 02
                +3
                Just to clarify. Torpedo attacks were carried out after the separation from the ground, and no one had ever heard of the practical firing of torpedoes "from the bottom". Laying on the ground in this case was a tactical technique for organizing an "ambush".
                I will also add that the transfer of a part of the outboard fittings to the upper part of the hull was fraught with abnormal drying of the 3rd and 4th cooling circuits when surfacing to the surface.
                Well, there was a risk of scuppers silting up on beskingston boats and, as a consequence, the rupture of ballast tanks when trying to blow them.
          2. Fizik M
            Fizik M 16 January 2021 01: 33
            -1
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            Alexander, only 941 went to bed. The rest on the depth stabilizer or on liquid soil ...

            seaside boukari, at the end of the service, actively used it
    4. dog of war
      dog of war 15 January 2021 23: 35
      0
      This is the 1972 Seabed Treaty
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%BF%D0%BE_%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%83_%D0%B4%D0%BD%D1%83
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  • Eldorado
    Eldorado 14 January 2021 10: 21
    +2
    K-329 "Belgorod" will also carry nuclear deep-sea stations of the "Losharik" type.
    In general, Poseidon is a technology demonstrator. In a couple of years, submarine drones will appear that will be able to attack enemy ships and submarines.
  • Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 14 January 2021 10: 43
    +2
    The concept of Poseidon itself is somewhat incomprehensible.
    The correct question, otherwise our poseidos are generally represented like this
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  • Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst 14 January 2021 12: 41
    +1
    The old carrier submarine, having received a preliminary control command from the satellite about the appearance in the AUG area, without exposing itself to the danger of detection, releases this merciless ichthyosaur to free hunting without a muzzle and a strict collar. How the AUG makes noise under the water, narrow specialists have an idea and our bastard will figure out the optimal depth of detonation in the center of the order ... And as Petrukha said to comrade Sukhov - it is better to review it at your leisure! fellow
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 14 January 2021 17: 51
      +1
      As a result, the Ichthyosaurus catches a torpedo from a helicopter from the bow heading angles - that's all.
      Or a nuclear depth charge.
      If its carrier survives before launch at all.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 14 January 2021 22: 27
        +1
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        The ichthyosaur catches a torpedo from a helicopter from the bow heading angles - that's all.

        At a depth of 1000m? And how many temperature "wedges" along the hydrological section will there be? And how will it be intercepted at 100 knots in a "dash" to the target? And if he also has GPA devices on board?
        The turntables are at the turn of the near PLO, which is 80-100 km from the center of the order ... and their buoys are several times smaller than the Vikings had.
        Therefore, it is not a fact that it will be as written.
        1. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 14 January 2021 23: 27
          +2
          At a depth of 1000m? And how many temperature "wedges" along the hydrological section will there be?

          Looking where.

          And how will it be intercepted at 100 knots in a "dash" to the target?


          The PPS of an aircraft or helicopter will calculate the first aiming point for any speed, if only the torpedo could dive to the depth.
          But this can be solved if you spend a couple of months on software with the first serial Poseidon, and then make either an anti-torpedo dropped from a helicopter, on the basis of a shipborne one, or return the Mk50, or buy an MU90.
          Or nuclear GB, from a warehouse.
          Anything is possible if you hear the goal.

          The turntables are at the turn of the near PLO, which is 80-100 km from the center of the order.


          Now their BPA tightly insures.

          Therefore, it is not a fact that it will be as written.


          Is not a fact. It will be different - the mega torpedo will simply not be applied to a mobile target, because it does not have the brains of the required quality, and that's it.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 15 January 2021 01: 27
            -1
            "On software, and then make either an anti-torpedo dropped from a helicopter, on the basis of a shipborne one, or return an Mk50."
            1. timokhin-aa
              timokhin-aa 15 January 2021 10: 40
              +1
              They have CAT, but they are sawing a new anti-torpedo, and unlike the CAT, it just gets to the right place.
              And the most important thing is that the powerful EI and the tapered pencil body just indicate that one of its main goals is a very fast and very deep-sea object.
        2. Fizik M
          Fizik M 16 January 2021 01: 36
          -1
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          At a depth of 1000m? And how many temperature "wedges" along the hydrological section will there be?

          see "Status deadlock"
          there it is exhaustive
          + you can read my spanking Sivkov on Status-6 in HBO
    2. Fizik M
      Fizik M 16 January 2021 01: 34
      -1
      Quote: Scharnhorst
      releases this merciless ichthyosaur on a free hunt without a muzzle and a strict collar ... And as Petrukha said to comrade Sukhov - better

      it would be better if YOU sat down at the computer sober
      try it - maybe someday YOU will succeed
  • venik
    venik 14 January 2021 14: 19
    +1
    Quote: evgen1221
    Then why does he even need an APL of his own?

    =========
    And you, Evgeny, do not admit that a COMBINATION of two methods of application is possible: from a coastal base and nuclear submarines?
    --------
    Quote: evgen1221
    This will unmask the way out with him from the base, and the base itself. There are many chances of losing him before deployment, plus the cost of the APL.

    =========
    And the fact that the coastal base will a priori be at gunpoint The enemy's strategic nuclear forces (as well as the mine launchers of the Strategic Missile Forces) are HOW? In addition, the coastal complexes are (more precisely, they will be under tight control enemy. And nuclear submarines, after all, have good chance to come off from the "tail" .... Will they (carriers) drop "Poseidons" or not? And if they do, then WHERE, at WHAT point? This is already - try to figure it out!
    That's why then Nuclear submarines and perform functions similar mobile complexes of ICBMs and SSBNs. But only similar ones! This is something like "sabotage groups of deep penetration" .....
    At least:

  • hydrox
    hydrox 14 January 2021 15: 25
    -1
    Because there are no sailing routes for the entire World Ocean!
    And naval ships do not go without sailing directions, otherwise there will be solid Kursk ...
  • smart ass
    smart ass 15 January 2021 08: 43
    0
    The only thing for which the carrier is needed is to launch Poseidon from any distance to the target and from any side.
  • Graz
    Graz 14 January 2021 09: 31
    +4
    it is interesting to choose the north or seaside,
    leaning more towards the north, although in both directions such bases would not hurt
    1. Scharnhorst
      Scharnhorst 14 January 2021 12: 51
      +2
      Dear gentleman-comrade-master! You do not understand geopolitics from the word at all !!! The North, Baltic and Black Sea regions are extremely densely populated areas by US! Only the boundless Pacific Ocean, where the north-western winds blow from the ecologically clean green Siberia !!! hi
      1. Eragon
        Eragon 14 January 2021 13: 22
        +1
        Quote: Scharnhorst
        Only the boundless Pacific Ocean, where the north-western winds blow from the ecologically clean green Siberia !!! hi

        Something only one place comes to my mind - Kamchatka. It is clear that Poseidon is a weapon exclusively against the United States and specifically for the west coast, at least in the near future.
      2. venik
        venik 14 January 2021 14: 33
        0
        Quote: Scharnhorst
        Dear gentleman-comrade-master! You do not understand geopolitics from the word at all !!! .... Only the boundless Pacific Ocean,

        ========
        And actually WHY can't there be 2? Type: 1 (one) we write, 1 (one) - in the mind .... Sorry! One - are we building, one - are we planning? request
  • antivirus
    antivirus 14 January 2021 09: 39
    -8
    again past the aircraft carriers.
    shame on the master of the jungle!
    give 10 pieces of 100 VI.

    deliberately building another fleet - not an aircraft carrier.
    I won't cry with the minus.
  • times
    times 14 January 2021 09: 44
    +20
    In parallel with this, a coastal base is being built in Russia

    This base can be used for other purposes as well. Superfluous will not be
  • 7,62x54
    7,62x54 14 January 2021 09: 52
    +2
    I can imagine if something similar was announced during the Soviet era. For example "we are starting to build a submarine base in Balaklava." At least they would send the forest to cut down, or even the vyshak would shine.
    1. Eldorado
      Eldorado 14 January 2021 10: 23
      +8
      Today there are satellites, even with Yandex maps you can view submarines in Gadzhievo or Pearl Harbor.
      The construction of an object of this size cannot be hidden today.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 14 January 2021 22: 36
        0
        Quote: El Dorado
        The construction of an object of this size cannot be hidden today.

        And if this hideout is ROCK? Think about it at your leisure ...
        It will be more difficult to hide the fact that the product is being loaded. The carrier must be loaded on a special pier ... This is where the bottleneck is.
      2. Shopping Mall
        Shopping Mall 15 January 2021 15: 54
        0
        Quote: El Dorado
        Today there are satellites, even with Yandex maps you can view submarines in Gadzhievo or Pearl Harbor.
        The construction of an object of this size cannot be hidden today.


        Moreover, for money, even civilian users can receive actual images at their request with a resolution of 0,5 meters in the radar range, in any weather and time of day.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 14 January 2021 09: 53
    +1
    Russia is building a coastal base for underwater nuclear robots "Poseidon"
    belay
    The Russian Defense Ministry has not yet reported on the location of the submarines with the Poseidon maritime robotic systems on board.
    It is the same? fool
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 14 January 2021 10: 04
    -9
    Oh, those storytellers. lol
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  • Kotus
    Kotus 14 January 2021 10: 15
    +5
    Quote: Graz
    it is interesting to choose the north or seaside,

    Military unit 31268, Kamchatka Territory, Vilyuchinsk.
    For 2 years already)
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 14 January 2021 12: 59
      +2
      Quote: Kotus
      Vilyuchinsk.

      We chose a comfortable place. Avachinskaya Bay and Krasheninnikov Bay are completely in the territorial waters of Russia. Enemy submarines have no right to enter Avacha Bay. They can only guard from the Pacific Ocean at the exit from the Avacha Bay.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 14 January 2021 10: 52
    +1
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    Poseidon is very heavy, it has no internal volumes for air. To swim, he needs speed and depth reserve. Those. from the coastal shallow water it cannot be launched.
    Poseidon is more noticeable than a submarine, because of the high speed it will howl over the entire ocean, which strongly unmasks, accordingly you need to launch closer to the target.

    As far as I understand, it will be noticeable at the time of combat use. But its speed and depth of immersion will be negligible and noise and all other unmasking factors. Apparently something like that.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 14 January 2021 11: 05
      -9
      Quote: Tagan
      the speed and depth of immersion will not level

      The depth does not matter, the speed of the aircraft will still be higher. 100 knots is 185 km / h. Poseidon must be secretly launched close to the target, otherwise SOSUS / IUSS will be detected and deep-sea torpedoes from P-8 Poseidon will be dropped on his turn. Of course, if we can run it. After all, next to our submarine there will be a couple of their multipurpose nuclear submarines, and in preparation for launch, our carrier will be torpedoed and it is not a fact that Poseidon will have time to pick up the required speed.
      1. vitvit123
        vitvit123 14 January 2021 11: 22
        +6
        And you talk so confidently about this weapon ... you, I apologize, are somewhere next to the constructors, workers on this product ..?
      2. Svetlana
        Svetlana 14 January 2021 11: 57
        -2
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        next to our submarine there will be a couple of their multipurpose nuclear submarines and in preparation for launch our carrier will be torpedoed

        Before the exit of the Poseidons and / or their carriers from Avacha Bay, a series of nuclear operational-tactical missiles with underwater warhead triggering can clear the ocean before entering Avacha Bay from the enemy anti-submarine warfare devices guarding there.
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 14 January 2021 12: 12
          +2
          Do you want to be advanced - this square-nest :)
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 14 January 2021 17: 35
        0
        "Deep-sea torpedoes from P-8 Poseidon will be dropped on his move." In addition to Mk 56 torpedoes, the United States has nothing in this regard for dropping from airplanes and helicopters.
        1. Fizik M
          Fizik M 16 January 2021 01: 39
          -1
          Quote: Vadim237
          In addition to the Mk 56 torpedoes, the United States has nothing in this regard for dropping from airplanes and helicopters.

          is there anything written about the MK-50 in YOUR training manual?
    2. K298rtm
      K298rtm 14 January 2021 21: 50
      0
      With its noise (sound), this device will terrify enemies (or partners - as you like).
  • Tagan
    Tagan 14 January 2021 11: 30
    +2
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    Quote: Tagan
    the speed and depth of immersion will not level

    The depth does not matter, the speed of the aircraft will still be higher. 100 knots is 185 km / h. Poseidon must be secretly launched close to the target, otherwise SOSUS / IUSS will be detected and deep-sea torpedoes from P-8 Poseidon will be dropped on his turn. Of course, if we can run it. After all, next to our submarine there will be a couple of their multipurpose nuclear submarines, and in preparation for launch, our carrier will be torpedoed and it is not a fact that Poseidon will have time to pick up the required speed.

    But Poseidon does not need his maximum speed to install in the starting position. And when it is activated, the response time of the countermeasures is unlikely to be sufficient. And the shorter the active phase of Poseidon, the sadder for the enemy.
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 14 January 2021 12: 39
      0
      But Poseidon does not need his maximum speed to install in the starting position.


      What is it like? Which position?
  • AVA77
    AVA77 14 January 2021 11: 48
    +3
    Poseidons are not forever bolted to the carrier, according to any there is a regulation. After a certain period of time for MOT. Drive at the stand, add cheto, replace the warhead. But you never know what needs to be serviced there.
    So they are building the appropriate infrastructure.
    1. K298rtm
      K298rtm 14 January 2021 21: 51
      0
      One of the first common thoughts on the topic.
  • El Chuvachino
    El Chuvachino 14 January 2021 12: 32
    +4
    I call on the Kraken ... ugh, Timokhin! laughing
  • timokhin-aa
    timokhin-aa 14 January 2021 12: 38
    +8
    The Russian Defense Ministry has not yet reported on the location of the submarines with the Poseidon maritime robotic systems on board.


    But after spending a couple of hours, you can find out the address of this military unit, find satellite photos, the name of the commander, and even find out that since 2017 the barriers around this unit have been energized - which the entire local population was notified about.

    Journalists are such journalists. They want to make a sensation out of everything.
  • Kotus
    Kotus 14 January 2021 13: 17
    +3
    Quote: Svetlana
    We chose a comfortable place.

    What does the choice have to do with it? There is a submarine base and arsenals of the 12th GUMO.

    Quote: Svetlana
    to clear the ocean in front of the entrance to Avacha Bay from the enemy anti-submarine warfare means guarding there.

    What, excuse me? To boil the ocean in our own territory, and inhabited, in the pre-war period? wassat
  • Tagan
    Tagan 14 January 2021 13: 29
    0
    Quote: timokhin-aa
    But Poseidon does not need his maximum speed to install in the starting position.


    What is it like? Which position?

    According to information from the media, Poseidon, after leaving the carrier, can run, or he can lie down stupidly before the next attack. Here's what.
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 14 January 2021 13: 40
      +1
      This is crap. Can not.
    2. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 14 January 2021 14: 03
      +1

      According to information from the media, Poseidon, after leaving the carrier, can run, or he can lie down stupidly before the next attack. Here's what.


      I would not be surprised if they also return to the boat after duty.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 14 January 2021 14: 06
    0
    Quote: timokhin-aa
    This is crap. Can not.

    Well crap, so crap. I will not argue, since I am not a specialist in this area. Made assumptions based on it.))
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 14 January 2021 14: 30
      +5
      There are no ballast tanks, it can only go at speed with lifting force on the hull and rudders.
      When, back in the USSR, a justification for the project was written, the reactor was laid with a short service life, then it was 5 days.

      Simply put, it is an intercontinental torpedo and nothing more.
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 14 January 2021 14: 07
    +1
    Quote: Kotus
    To boil the ocean in our own territory, and inhabited, in the pre-war period?

    Certainly not in the pre-war period. Only during the war period, after the instruction of a signal from the early warning system of a missile attack. 15 pieces of operational-tactical missiles should be enough with a distance between the epicenters of 6 km with their square-nested location on the border of territorial waters. The distance from the coast to the border of the territorial waters, where the epicenters will be located, is 22 km, to Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, 36 km. Warheads are not megaton, 100kt is enough. According to Sadovsky's formula, at a distance of 36 km from 100 Kt air explosion, the HC pressure will be 0,01 atmosphere. In case of underwater explosions, there will not be even such a low pressure of air hydrocarbons in the area of ​​settlements. Greetings to the moose on duty off the coast of Kamchatka. Let them know what awaits them.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 14 January 2021 14: 11
    0
    Quote: Interlocutor

    According to information from the media, Poseidon, after leaving the carrier, can run, or he can lie down stupidly before the next attack. Here's what.


    I would not be surprised if they also return to the boat after duty.

    Well, nothing, everything has its time. )))
  • Kotus
    Kotus 14 January 2021 14: 35
    +1
    Quote: Svetlana
    Only during the war period, after the instruction of a signal from the early warning system of a missile attack.
    the carrier will not have time to leave the Rybachiy piers.

    Quote: Svetlana
    15 pieces of operational-tactical missiles

    What kind of missiles, and with what kind of warheads?)
    Didn't you confuse them with nuclear GBs?

    Quote: Svetlana
    Distance from the coast to the border of territorial waters, where the epicenters will be located 22 km

    But if you imagine the enemy's PLO as Elk / Verdzhiniy, standing right at the border of our terrorist forces, then you, to put it mildly, simplify the situation.

    Quote: Interlocutor
    I would not be surprised if they also return to the boat after duty.

    Do you think it reasonable to take on board a "hot" apparatus with accumulated short-lived isotopes? Or equip the four 2P39 at Belgorod with biological protection at the level of its own reactors? And how do you physically imagine the process of maneuvering and returning to the launcher, at best, a 50-ton and 25-meter ... vehicle, not equipped with thrusters?
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 14 January 2021 14: 45
      -1
      Quote: Kotus
      the carrier will not have time to leave the Rybachiy piers.

      That is why it is necessary to release Poseidons directly from the pier into Krasheninnikov Bay.
      1. Fizik M
        Fizik M 16 January 2021 01: 41
        -1
        Quote: Svetlana
        That is why it is necessary to release Poseidons directly from the pier into Krasheninnikov Bay.

        bottom
        for purely physical reasons
        that's why we sawed the carriers
    2. Svetlana
      Svetlana 14 January 2021 14: 50
      -1
      Quote: Kotus
      simplify the situation.

      Everything that is installed by the enemy in Avacha Bay from ASW assets will be destroyed, damaged, and torn from anchors by submarine nuclear weapons. 15 pieces of nuclear mushrooms will hide the water area from observation from space, will not allow aiming at the coastal infrastructure.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 14 January 2021 14: 39
    +1
    Most experts believe that the Status-6 nuclear reactor provides a torpedo speed of 103 km / h or even 185 km / h with a range of up to 10 km.

    If these are real performance characteristics, then you can make a base on New Earth and launch Poseidon directly from the base, and not from the nuclear submarine
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 14 January 2021 14: 53
    0
    Quote: Kotus
    with any such warheads?

    I mean nuclear warheads, i.e. warheads with nuclear warheads 100kt
  • Kotus
    Kotus 14 January 2021 14: 53
    0
    Quote: Svetlana
    That is why it is necessary to release Poseidons directly from the pier into Krasheninnikov Bay.

    Even if it is technically and feasible, which is unlikely, which is indirectly indicated by the very need for a carrier, this automatically turns the entire Avachinsky Bay into an analogue of the silo positional area. With all that it implies.
    Well, if the Kraken is caught by the enemy's PLO in peacetime or in a threatened period, and he will cut the "hard-to-reach" ... 50 MT off its coast - is this normal in your opinion?
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 14 January 2021 14: 59
    0
    Quote: Kotus
    the carrier will not have time to leave the Rybachiy piers.

    That is why it is necessary to let the Poseidons into Krasheninnikov Bay right from the Rybachy piers. The Poseidons have a higher speed, they will go farther than the carriers, to a safe distance. And where they go under water - from space it will no longer be visible, mushrooms will interfere
  • Kotus
    Kotus 14 January 2021 15: 08
    +1
    Quote: Svetlana
    Everything that is installed by the enemy in Avacha Bay from ASW assets will be destroyed, damaged, and torn from anchors by submarine nuclear weapons.

    You just offered to sneeze some Elks standing like pikes with GAK fairings a meter from the border of a tervod?)
    Now you propose to carry out innovative trawling with nuclear ammunition directly in the Avacha Bay?)) Destroying and damaging your own materiel? There, if anything, there are also Boreas))) This is about the same as if you take a full bath of water, climb into it and ... rip a tol block.

    Quote: Svetlana
    I mean nuclear warheads, i.e. warheads with nuclear warheads 100kt

    Call these your "nuclear operational-tactical missiles with underwater warhead." Are they in nature?)
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 14 January 2021 15: 26
      +1
      Quote: Kotus
      with underwater warhead firing. "Are they in nature?

      You will be surprised, but there are even penetrating nuclear warheads with triggering at a depth of 20 m of a layer of reinforced concrete
    2. Svetlana
      Svetlana 14 January 2021 15: 36
      0
      Quote: Kotus
      trawling with nuclear ammunition already directly in Avacha Bay?)) Destroying and damaging your own materiel? There, if anything, there are also Boreas

      Trawling with nuclear weapons is already directly in Avacha Bay - only during the war period, after receiving a signal about a missile attack from an early warning system. Avachinsky Bay is not a place for carrying BS Boreyevs, if they left Krasheninnikov Bay unnoticed. There are better places in the world's oceans for carrying a BS for SSBNs, closer to the enemy. The rest of its own uninhabited materiel in Avacha Bay in wartime will no longer be needed after the signal from the early warning system
    3. Svetlana
      Svetlana 14 January 2021 15: 50
      0
      Quote: Kotus
      You just offered to sneeze some Elks standing like pikes with GAK fairings a meter from the border of a tervod?)
      Now, do you propose to carry out innovative trawling with nuclear weapons directly in Avacha Bay?

      If some Elks are not there, which is unlikely, then there may be Sivulfs, Soryu, and so on. And all of them are located in Avacha Bay, near the border of our territorial waters.
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 14 January 2021 15: 23
    0
    Quote: Kotus
    50 MT off its coast

    Please provide a link about the kraken and 50Mt off your coast. So far, there has only been 2Mt in official reports of Poseidon
  • Kotus
    Kotus 14 January 2021 15: 48
    0
    Quote: Svetlana
    So far, there has only been 2Mt in official reports of Poseidon

    Officially, yes. But if you think about it, what for coastal cities, that for naval bases (they are not located on the open coast) would need more.
    And please provide a link about the OTRK "with underwater triggering of the warhead", if it does not make it difficult.
    Quote: Svetlana
    Avacha Bay is not a place to carry BS Boreyev,

    There is such a thing - KON, and all at once they will not be in the sea. Those in the base can and must shoot from the pier.
    Quote: Svetlana
    if they left Krasheninnikov Bay unnoticed.

    And they surely left unnoticed, or are those who remained in Rybachye safer?
    Quote: Svetlana
    There are better places in the world's oceans for carrying BS for SSBNs,

    Sea of ​​Okhotsk?))
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 14 January 2021 16: 14
      0
      Quote: Kotus
      Please provide a link about the OTRK "with underwater operation of the head"

      here are the links:
      https://topwar.ru/162159-m65-atomic-annie-pervaja-atomnaja-pushka-ssha.html
      https://topwar.ru/40891-sovremennye-pronikayuschie-bomby.html
      When fired from a cannon, an artillery nuclear projectile also experiences overloads comparable to overloads when it enters the water vertically. Strengthening it with a penetrating tip made of tungsten or depleted uranium and placing it on Iskander or even Tochka-U will not be difficult
    2. Svetlana
      Svetlana 14 January 2021 16: 15
      0
      Quote: Kotus
      Sea of ​​Okhotsk?

      yes, for example, in the water area on the western side of Iturup Island
    3. Svetlana
      Svetlana 14 January 2021 16: 27
      0
      Quote: Kotus
      And they definitely went out unnoticed

      did they come out for sure? - on this issue, you better contact the General Staff of the Russian Ministry of Defense
      Did they definitely go out unnoticed? - on this issue, you better contact NATO headquarters in Brussels
  • Kotus
    Kotus 14 January 2021 16: 33
    +1
    Quote: Svetlana
    It will not be difficult to reinforce it with a penetrating tip made of tungsten or depleted uranium and put it on Iskander or even Tochka-U.

    That is, it is nothing more than your fabrications. Without touching "labor will not be")

    Quote: Svetlana
    yes, for example, in the water area on the western side of Iturup Island

    You still need to get there)

    This is the 80s. Now for the entire Pacific Fleet there are 8 old IPCs, 1 971 and 949 2,5 and XNUMX and a half BOD, which are always on long campaigns. Well, and an unknown number of running Halibuts.
    Actually, this has been said a hundred times, incl. and on VO.
  • 955535
    955535 14 January 2021 16: 59
    0
    Nearing completion. Yeah. They haven't even had a physical start yet. Laureate of sovramshi.
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 14 January 2021 17: 54
      +1
      And there the EH is jammed at all? After physical start, then?
      1. 955535
        955535 14 January 2021 18: 01
        0
        It was about the carrier. There are two OK650.
        1. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 14 January 2021 19: 12
          0
          Wow ... what's taking so long?
          1. 955535
            955535 14 January 2021 19: 33
            0
            Because the materiel got a little tired during storage for a long time. It was required to bring the conditionally "new" hardware into working order.
            1. timokhin-aa
              timokhin-aa 14 January 2021 21: 17
              0
              understandably. I thought it was done already.
              And what about the readiness to launch the product, how is it? If without closed details?
              1. 955535
                955535 14 January 2021 21: 39
                0
                There is no information about this.
  • Fizik M
    Fizik M 16 January 2021 02: 09
    -1
    a bit of reality:
    https://topwar.ru/155207-statusnyj-tupik.html
    https://topwar.ru/176056-esche-raz-o-spa-posejdon-status-6.html
    https://nvo.ng.ru/concepts/2019-03-22/1_1038_poseidon.html