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The Capitol Falls: A New Democratic Reality In The United States

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One of the most striking characters in the storming of the Capitol. Source: telegraph.co.uk


The election that was stolen from Trump


The start of the new year was marked by a shocking event - on January 6, a crowd of excited supporters of Donald Trump stormed the Capitol. A few months earlier, it would have seemed a figment of the wild fantasy of exalted analysts, but now the Internet is filled with photo and video evidence of atrocities in Washington. Five casualties among the defenders of the Capitol and the discovery of two fully operational explosive devices in government buildings made the events particularly dramatic.


The Capitol has fallen! Photo: Tyler Merbler / flickr.com

Passions began to heat up with the openly provocative statements of the incumbent President Donald Trump regarding the counting of votes. Shortly before the riots, the incumbent president once again refused to recognize the results of the November 3 elections:

We will never give up, we will never give up. This will not happen. You cannot admit defeat when it comes to theft.

The rhetoric, as usual, was paradoxical - Trump does not recognize the election of Biden, but guarantees a peaceful transfer of power.

Since January 4, supporters of the incumbent president have flocked to Washington, outraged by this state of affairs in American democracy. The goal was the Freedom March, scheduled for January 6, the day that the US Senate and House of Representatives were to finally confirm Biden as the new president. And here Trump acted like a cornered beast. On the square, a few hours before the approval, he utters a provocative:

We're going to come to the Capitol. We are going to support our courageous senators, members of Congress ... You can never take back our country if you are weak, you must demonstrate strength and you must be strong.

Can this be regarded as a call for an anti-constitutional coup? Be that as it may, Trump himself did not participate in the upcoming pogroms, sat in the armored "Beast" and left for his residence. Donald made one fatal mistake - he actually designated for the supporters the main culprit of his defeat. Vice President Michael Pence on the Constitution may at the last moment interrupt the process of the transfer of presidential power in connection with massive fraud. When Trump actually personalized the goal of storming the Capitol, the outcome of the Freedom March was a foregone conclusion.

Shame on all democracy


Further events developed rapidly. Some of the demonstrators officially entered the territory of the Capitol under the guise of peaceful tourists. And then, sweeping away everything in their path, the assailants broke through the outer perimeter of the security of government buildings. It is noteworthy that the flimsy fences were used by Trump's most marginal supporters as storm ladders. The chronology of the assault revealed a lot of oddities. The police present were clearly not enough and, most likely, no reinforcement was provided. By the way, Stephen Sand, the capitol police chief, intends to resign on January 16. Some of the guards not only did not resist the storming of government buildings, but even cleared the way for the attackers. Obviously, sympathy for the Republicans and personally for Trump turned out to be above the call of duty. The rest of the police did not dare to use a firearm weaponlimiting ourselves to flashbang grenades and tear gas. This only angered the attackers - fourteen policemen were beaten and one was fatally injured. Exalted media outlets later commented on the leniency of the police on a small proportion of African Americans among the attackers. Say, against the storming of the Capitol of blacks, the defenders would not hesitate to use automatic weapons.


US Secret Service counter-assault units are on the defensive. Photo: Olivier Douliery / AFP via Getty Images

Another oddity on January 6 was the unanswered call of the Washington City Hall to urgently bring the National Guard into the city. The Pentagon did not react, obviously, because such decisions are made by the president of the country.

In the crisis, the secret service initially had no time to counter the attackers - at 14:30 it was announced that the most important persons of the government were evacuating. In particular, Vice President Michael Pence, Speaker of the Congress Nancy Palosi and Republican Majority Leader in the Senate Mitch McConnell were removed from the building of Congress. The assaults at that time smashed and plundered the offices of congressmen, broke glass and took pictures against the background of destroyed furniture. Private video filming allowed to capture the moment of assassination of an ardent supporter of the incumbent President Ashley Bebbit in one of the corridors of Congress. Secret Service personnel were on the defensive behind a barricaded door when Babbitt, a 14-year veteran of the United States Air Force, climbed into the gap. As a result, a shot to kill, after which the woman no longer recovered and died in intensive care. The goal was achieved - none of Bebbit's associates went to check the seriousness of the intentions of the Secret Service employees. The video from Washington was very reminiscent in this situation of footage from the storming of some residence of the Middle Eastern tyrant during the color revolutions. The question remains open about the legality of the use of firearms in this situation. Maybe a simple traumatic pistol would be enough? Moreover, the attackers did not have small arms, but only plastic handcuffs and a strong desire to hang Pence.


Defenders of American Statehood. Photo: AP Photo / J. Scott Applewhite

The social status of Ashley Bebbit, who was shot in the Congress building, perfectly shows that it was not marginals who stormed the stronghold of democracy, but quite successful people who sincerely believed in fraudulent elections. Along with Ashley Bebbit and the policeman mentioned above, three more people were killed during the storming of the Capitol. According to officials, they died from a situation of failure to provide the necessary emergency medical care.

When the outcome of a further assault would inevitably lead to a lot of blood, the National Guard was nevertheless brought into Washington, and the FBI special forces and several other units were brought into the Capitol building. The main role in this was not played by the incumbent President Trump, but by his recent associate Vice President Pence. It was he who, as best he could, tried to involve the security forces to resolve the situation. Of the crowd of thousands of attackers, only a few dozen people were arrested. The siloviki, frightened by the serious prospects of a civil war in the United States, this time decided to carry out retribution in a noticeably truncated version.

Trump's political suicide


Donald Trump belatedly, but nevertheless condemned the attempt to resolve the issue by force, to which he himself had earlier incited his supporters on the Freedom March. Man is a paradox, what to say. Now the formal president is still getting it from all sides. Domestically, he is threatened with impeachment, dismissal due to mental illness and the transfer of power to the vice president. By the way, Trump doesn't have long to rule in the White House - Congress nevertheless approved the election results and Joe Biden will become the new president on January 20. The international community, moving away from the first culture shock, called the events an attempt on the world lamp of democracy and pinned all the blame on Trump. Russia has modestly indicated that events in Congress are an internal affair of the United States.

Joe Biden, to his credit, was rather restrained about the riots:

Our democracy is now undergoing an unprecedented attack like no other in our time. This is an attack on the citadel of freedom, on the Capitol itself. An attack on the people's representatives and the police, who have vowed to protect them. Let me be clear: the chaos scenes in the Capitol do not reflect the real America. Who we are. What we see is a small bunch of extremists dealing with lawlessness. This is not dissent. It's a mess. It's chaos. And it must end now.

There are no dangerous generalizations in the speech, and there are even no accusations against the main hero of the occasion - the current President of the United States, Donald Trump. History with the president-instigator of the coup is still far from the final, but it is already quite obvious that Trump has become political suicide in her.

Ambiguous results


The history of the storming of the Capitol has many ambiguous consequences. Social networks Facebook, Instagram and Twitch blocked Donald Trump's official account in the first hours of the riots, and Twitter made this restriction indefinite. The current president will not be able to post his appeals on the YouTube video hosting service. The closest associates of the president went “under the knife”, unnecessarily proving in their accounts that the results of the elections on November 3, 2020 were fabricated. Trump has already reacted by threatening to change legislation on freedom of speech in the media. If you have time, of course.


Trump's life will change dramatically after 06.01.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX. Source: Wikimedia Commons

The situation when the media and social networks include censorship for their users, without taking into account the opinion of the supporters of the incumbent president, looks strange. When called for a coup d'etat in Ukraine, Belarus, Syria and many other countries, these resources gave opposition leaders complete freedom of action. And here they block the account of the legally elected president.

In the United States, the reaction to what happened is like a phantasmagoria. And this is another result of what happened in Congress on January 6. In the near future there will be thousands and thousands of reasons for such a shameful development of events for the United States. The Russians have to wait for the hands of American analysts to reach the Kremlin, and accusations will fall on the circle of President Vladimir Putin. Many in the US try to joke the tragedy to hide their shame. It doesn't always work out well. Elon Max on Instagram commented on a photo of a dressed-up Trump supporter in Congress:

This is what happens when you cancel Burning Man.

But the main result of January 6 looks much more serious and tragic. In the United States, the traditional two-party structure and the archaic presidential election system have definitely failed. In a state that is proving the importance of democratic values ​​at every corner, a man has come to power who, in a few phrases, can direct the crowd into battle against his own government. Trump, who came to power quite legally and democratically in 2016, also refused to legally and democratically transfer his powers. The events of January 6 will be included in textbooks and will become an excellent argument for opponents of democratic transformations. If the opinion of the minority is not taken into account, then they may well not take into account the opinion of the majority and by force to prove their case. If it turned out to be possible in Washington, then why not? A simple formula that destroys a democratic institution was vividly demonstrated in the American capital on January 6. And in Churchill's famous definition

Democracy is the worst form of government, with the exception of all others that have been tried from time to time

it's time to leave only the first part.
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  1. Far B
    Far B 11 January 2021 04: 55
    +22
    Damn, their grass turns green there, the sun shines ...
    But this I especially liked:
    Moreover, the attackers did not have small arms, but only plastic handcuffs and a strong desire to hang Pence
    True, the question arises - for what organ did they want to hang Monsieur Pence?
    As for Trump, his outrage at election fraud is understandable. So I disagree with the author - the Democrats, not Trump, planted the bomb under democracy in the beacon of democracy. It's just that Trump is somehow hysterically reacting to this whole thing - well, he is not a rebel, what can you do. Simple redhead billionaire.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 11 January 2021 05: 05
      0
      Simple redhead billionaire.
      , or an aging non-redhead pensioner :)? What's the difference - dear Watson !? Holmes exclaimed, over morning tea, reading the Times ... :)
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 11 January 2021 07: 15
      -8
      Quote: Dalny V
      It's just that Trump somehow hysterically reacts to the whole thing - well, he's not a rebel, what can you do

      Personally, I absolutely don't care who will be a prezik in the states, but the civic position of a part of the population amazes me greatly why in one of the richest countries in the world the people are dissatisfied with something, are active, go on strike, storm, hold rallies, generally fight for their rights and goes across the system at the same time when in another country with a poor population and a pension of 150 bucks, a stable cemetery silence?
      Paradox.
      1. stalki
        stalki 11 January 2021 07: 34
        +8
        Personally, I absolutely don't care who will be a prezik in the states, but the civic position of a part of the population amazes me greatly why in one of the richest countries in the world the people are dissatisfied with something, are active, go on strike, storm, hold rallies, generally fight for their rights and goes across the system at the same time when in another country with a poor population and a pension of 150 bucks, a stable cemetery silence?
        Paradox.
        Go storm, if it's so hard for you to live, is someone stopping you? Forward. For some reason, those who talk about this always only talk, but they themselves are not going anywhere. laughing laughing laughing apparently not so bad.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 11 January 2021 08: 16
          +1
          Quote: stalki
          Go storm, if it's so hard for you to live, is someone stopping you? Forward. For some reason, those who talk about this always just talk, but they themselves are not going anywhere, apparently not so bad.

          You probably misunderstood what I said!
          1. stalki
            stalki 11 January 2021 08: 30
            +5
            You probably misunderstood what I said!
            No, I got it right about you wink not a drop of doubt laughing
            1. zenion
              zenion 12 January 2021 21: 09
              0
              stalki (Sergey) Yesterday, 08:30. You didn’t understand anything. In America, the people can afford to rebel, in every house there is a weapon. In 1917, there was a war and the people had weapons in their hands, clever people were able to tell "Man with a gun" what he should do with a weapon and against whom to direct it. Now the people of the country do not have weapons and you need to wait for a major mess, then you will understand that people were silent for a reason, that a snake has grown in each chest, which will bite those who created it.
          2. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 11 January 2021 08: 31
            -2
            hi
            Quote: Stroporez
            You probably misunderstood what I said!

            He understood everything well, just more and more reasoning like this: "My ass is warm, my belly is full, and the rest do not care."
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 11 January 2021 08: 49
              +1
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              He understood everything well, just more and more reasoning like this: "My ass is warm, my belly is full, and the rest do not care."

              Hi Kamrad! hi drinks Unfortunately, there is a certain layer of fellow citizens whom the "fried cockerel" has not yet pecked, but as soon as it bites, they immediately start moaning and immediately turn into ardent oppositionists.
              So I wish them in the new year to bite harder. good
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 11 January 2021 09: 08
                -4
                Quote: Stroporez
                Unfortunately, there is a certain layer of fellow citizens whom the "fried cockerel" has not yet pecked ...

                They are still ahead, this year will be "more fun" than the previous one.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 11 January 2021 09: 13
                  +2
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  They are still ahead, this year will be "more fun" than the previous one.

                  Hallelujah! wassat
                  "The seagulls groan before the storm, they groan, rush over the sea and are ready to hide their horror before the storm on the bottom of it.
                  And the loons also moan - they, the loons, cannot enjoy the battle of life: the thunder of blows frightens them.
                  A stupid penguin timidly hides its fat body in the cliffs ... Let the storm break out stronger "M. Gorky.
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 11 January 2021 09: 25
                    +3
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    The seagulls moan before the storm - they moan, rush over the sea and are ready to hide their horror before the storm at the bottom.
                    And the loons also moan - they, the loons, cannot enjoy the battle of life: the thunder of blows frightens them.
                    A stupid penguin timidly hides its fat body in the cliffs ... Let the storm break out stronger "M. Gorky.

                    As far as I know, they removed it from the school curriculum today, as well as the "Song of the Falcon". Cattle do not need to know such dangerous things.
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 11 January 2021 09: 32
                      +6
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      As far as I know, they removed it from the school curriculum today, as well as the "Song of the Falcon". Cattle are such dangerous things

                      Aha, for them many Soviet writers and poets are mortally dangerous, but church lessons and Bunin are very useful for them - this is obscurantism.
                      1. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 11 January 2021 09: 39
                        +7
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        ... but the church lessons ...

                        They are especially touched by the fact that after baptism, Prince Vladimir began to build hospitals and schools and the fact that all of Russia happily adopted Christianity.)))))))))
                      2. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 11 January 2021 11: 25
                        +15
                        VERY strange article! The author - Eugene - seems to be amazed and indignant: HOW could it happen that such a terrible event happened in such a democratic country like the USA?
                        А nothing there is no strange, on the contrary, everything is natural. Simply all recent events in the United States have clearly highlighted and shown to the whole world the essence of Western, American "democracy." The helpless "fight" against the pandemic, the most shameless rigging in the "elections", blatant violation of the American Constitution on many provisions and the restriction of rights and freedoms. It got to the point that even the PRESIDENT (I'm not talking about the rest) is smacked and gagged! Is this a free country? Is this a crystal-clear democracy?
                        No, it showed that there is no democracy in the West! Even in the "city on the hill" - the United States. What is there? Impudent total dictate of globalists, covered with sweet words about democracy!
                      3. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 11 January 2021 11: 30
                        0
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        No, it showed that there is no democracy in the West! Even in the "city on the hill" - the United States. What is there? Impudent total dictate of globalists, covered with sweet words about democracy!

                        Well, yes, bourgeois democracy is like that.)))) It is necessary to return to a more progressive socio-economic formation.
                      4. Machito
                        Machito 11 January 2021 12: 03
                        +9
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        VERY strange article! The author - Eugene - seems to be amazed and indignant: HOW could it happen that such a terrible event happened in such a democratic country like the USA?
                        А nothing there is no strange, on the contrary, everything is natural. Simply all recent events in the United States have clearly highlighted and shown to the whole world the essence of Western, American "democracy." The helpless "fight" against the pandemic, the most shameless rigging in the "elections", blatant violation of the American Constitution on many provisions and the restriction of rights and freedoms. It got to the point that even the PRESIDENT (I'm not talking about the rest) is smacked and gagged! Is this a free country? Is this a crystal-clear democracy?
                        No, it showed that there is no democracy in the West! Even in the "city on the hill" - the United States. What is there? Impudent total dictate of globalists, covered with sweet words about democracy!

                        The USA is an authoritarian state, a "democratic" fascist dictatorship that is sowing death and destruction throughout the world. The storming of the Capitol tore from the United States the last rags of democracy, showing all their ghoul ugliness.
                2. alekSASHKA-36
                  alekSASHKA-36 11 January 2021 16: 05
                  -6
                  And thank God they removed this old fagot bullshit.
                  1. Petr Vladimirovich
                    Petr Vladimirovich 11 January 2021 17: 09
                    +5
                    And the old fag, who is this? Both seem to have a baby ...
              2. Rostislav
                Rostislav 11 January 2021 11: 23
                +2
                Well, yes, it is very patriotic - to wish bad luck to your people, like "let the roasted cock bite them harder."
                This has already happened in our history.
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 11 January 2021 11: 33
                  +2
                  Quote: Rostislav
                  Well, yes, it is very patriotic - to wish bad luck to your people, like "let the roasted cock bite them harder."
                  This has already happened in our history.

                  Well, here you need to understand in this vein: "through the back seat the mind will come." Something like this my father told me, after the parent meeting, taking off the belt.))))
                  1. stalki
                    stalki 11 January 2021 20: 45
                    -1
                    Well, here you need to understand in this vein: "through the back seat the mind will come." Something like this my father told me, after the parent meeting, taking off the belt.))))
                    Apparently it didn't even reach you through the back laughing
                  2. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 11 January 2021 23: 48
                    0
                    Quote: stalki
                    Apparently it didn't even reach you through the back

                    The main thing is that you get it. And in your case, I didn't have to say: "The grave will fix the hunchback." (popular wisdom, the author of the saying is not known)
              3. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 11 January 2021 17: 42
                +2
                Quote: Rostislav
                so yes, it is very patriotic - to wish bad luck to your people, like "let the roast cock bite them harder."
                This has already happened in our history.

                As my warrant officer said, he does not reach through the head, we can reach through the liver, options are possible, through the arms or legs, depending on the degree of misunderstanding. yes
            2. Grits
              Grits 12 January 2021 02: 32
              +2
              Quote: Stroporez
              Stupid penguin timidly hides a fat body in the cliffs ...

              Gorky already knew then what would happen to pin-dos
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 11 January 2021 14: 36
          +9
          Quote: Stroporez
          stratum of fellow citizens who "fried cockerel" haven't pecked yet,
          Here I am I wish them in the new year to peck harder.
          PEOPLE in the New Year wish their fellow citizens better health, Happiness and luck.

          And also fewer failures and bad luck.

          What are the names of those who wish people the opposite?
        3. midivan
          midivan 11 January 2021 17: 29
          +6
          Quote: Stroporez
          So I wish them in the new year to bite harder.

          Your video above fully corresponds to your dictum - in one word, little people, that you are the operators of that video, and no matter how the rooster pecks, I'm not on my way with you)) I wish you all the best this year.
        4. stalki
          stalki 11 January 2021 20: 42
          +1
          Unfortunately, there is a certain layer of fellow citizens whom the "fried cockerel" has not yet pecked, but as soon as it bites, they immediately start moaning and immediately turn into ardent oppositionists.
          So I wish them in the new year to bite harder.
          In terms of whether you are able to objectively evaluate people, apparently haste is your credo. I will not disappoint you. hi I will try to match your primitive patterns.
        5. major147
          major147 11 January 2021 22: 20
          +2
          Quote: Stroporez
          So I wish them in the new year to bite harder.

          It is strange that you wish your people troubles ... Or not yours?
      2. Romeo
        Romeo 11 January 2021 22: 41
        0
        Do you somehow care about the rest, or are you just throwing remarks?
    3. LifeIsGood
      LifeIsGood 11 January 2021 16: 21
      +9
      Haha ... I've seen such social polls ... Nonsense of a gray-haired mare, 50 people were interviewed, then they cut out "wrong opinions" and posted them. See the pier Soc. Poll !!! repeat Wai how bad everything is, wai we will all die !! laughing
      Do not disgrace ...
  2. Stas157
    Stas157 11 January 2021 09: 20
    -8
    Quote: stalki
    Go stormif it is so hard for you to live, is someone stopping you? Forward... For some reason, those who talk about this always only talk, but they themselves are not going anywhere.

    You have just written a criminal article for yourself. Extremism. Call for a change of government. Art. 280 to three years old.

    Today, in our country, where people are thrown behind bars for politics (and more and more every year), you need to be very careful with your words, even to confused people.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 11 January 2021 09: 28
      +1
      hi
      Quote: Stas157
      Today, in our country, where people are thrown behind bars for politics (and more and more every year), you need to be very careful with your words, even confused people.

      Well, we'll have to remember who Aesop was.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 11 January 2021 10: 35
        0
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Well, we'll have to remember who Aesop was.

        hi I remembered for a long time. I try to write allegorically. And I try not to name the main Kremlin patient by name, if the criticism is especially odious.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 11 January 2021 19: 25
          +1
          Quote: Stas157
          I remembered for a long time. I try to write allegorically. And I try not to name the main Kremlin patient by name, if the criticism is especially odious

          However, those who need it understand everything perfectly and remember everything. And there, as the card will fall ... wink
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 11 January 2021 19: 20
        +4
        will have to remember who Aesop was


        Uh-uh ... An Entente agent? wink
    2. Quadro
      Quadro 11 January 2021 14: 06
      +3
      Quote: Stas157
      Quote: stalki
      Go stormif it is so hard for you to live, is someone stopping you? Forward... For some reason, those who talk about this always only talk, but they themselves are not going anywhere.

      You have just written a criminal article for yourself. Extremism. Call for a change of government. Art. 280 to three years old.

      Today, in our country, where people are thrown behind bars for politics (and more and more every year), you need to be very careful with your words, even to confused people.

      Well, maybe it's the case in Germany for posts against migrants imprisoned. Or how in Holland they imprisoned a man who was thrown off a photo of his genitals on social networks, and eventually sat down for harassment, despite the fact that he did not harass. But you can do a lot of croaking about us.
    3. stalki
      stalki 11 January 2021 20: 53
      +2
      Today, in our country, where people are thrown behind bars for politics (and more and more every year), you need to be very careful with your words, even to confused people.
      Yeah, I can't wait for black funnels. As people themselves are easily misled. Will not interfere. hi
  3. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 11 January 2021 09: 21
    0
    For some reason, those who talk about this always only talk, but they themselves are not going anywhere.
    Provocateurs, sir ... hi
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 11 January 2021 15: 21
      +4
      Quote: abrakadabre
      Provocateurs, sir ...

      Most of them are narrow-minded inhabitants of a marginal persuasion, mowing under the ideological fighters with something there. yes
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 11 January 2021 21: 41
        -3
        Quote: Paranoid50
        narrow-minded people marginal

        Well, yes, we only have adequate confusion! The rest are dissidents and marginalized !!

        Dozing at the TV
        Have you seen enough of Kisel?

        Quote: Paranoid50
        mowing under ideological fighters with something there

        Did the Zaputintsy and EDRA have their own idea ??
        What not to share? Belief in a stabilizer?
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 11 January 2021 23: 53
          +3
          hi
          Quote: Stas157
          Did the Zaputintsy and EDRA have their own idea ??
          What not to share? Belief in a stabilizer?

          The bucket has ideas only on two topics: where to steal what and who is better off licking.
  4. sniperino
    sniperino 11 January 2021 10: 35
    +5
    Quote: stalki
    Go storm, if it's so hard for you to live, is someone stopping you? Forward. For some reason, those who talk about this always just talk, but they themselves are not going anywhere, apparently, everything is not so bad
    Wishful thinking, as in magical rites. For fiery revolutionaries, the worse the better.
  5. eklmn
    eklmn 11 January 2021 17: 54
    -5
    “For some reason, those who talk about this always just talk (in Russia), but they themselves are not going anywhere”
    There is one explanation for this - rallies are prohibited. At all. More than 3 not to collect - the law. Any repressive regimes - China, Russia, Belarus, will cope with the suppression of riots / rallies much faster and more efficiently than democratic countries. These dictatorial regimes do not need demonstrations of nafig, they need a quiet, silent population. Pugs will screech with delight about “taking the stronghold of democracy by storm,” but this is just a building! Nothing happened to democracy in the United States, it was_is_will be. The Washington police chief, who was in charge of order during the demonstrations, resigned. Right, ultra-right, semi-fascists (and they broke into the Capitol) are arrested in batches. So everything will be all right. But in Russia there will be silence (as one reader correctly noted) like in a cemetery. I would write without the "how" particle - just "graveyard".
    1. stalki
      stalki 11 January 2021 20: 57
      +4
      But in Russia there will be silence (as one reader correctly noted) like in a cemetery. I would write without the "how" particle - just "graveyard".
      I'll weave a wreath for you, would you like to? lol at no extra charge.
  • novel66
    novel66 11 January 2021 08: 18
    +2
    Lesha, but there is no paradox, people are foolish because of zeal, and they are bored, it’s not about rights - mind you, it’s not the workers and peasants who are protesting here - they have to fight for survival. Hi hi
  • Cube123
    Cube123 11 January 2021 08: 28
    +18
    Quote: Stroporez
    in one of the richest countries in the world, the people are dissatisfied with something, they are active, they are on strike, storming, holding rallies, in general, they are fighting for their rights and going across the system at the same time when in another country with a poor population and a pension of 150 bucks there is a stable cemetery silence ?
    Paradox.

    And you go there, live there for several years. And most importantly, LEARN TO EARN YOURSELF FOR LIFE THERE. And then you will understand that there is no paradox here and life in Russia is far from being as bad as you picture. Only then will you have at least some moral right to compare something. In the meantime, you have an empty blah blah blah ...
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      1. Ramzai
        Ramzai 11 January 2021 11: 25
        +9
        I love these tales: "I went, I have a lot of friends." You don't go and listen to your friends, but live in the USA for at least 5 years, and then tell tales about friends of your comrades.
  • Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 11 January 2021 10: 20
    +2
    Paradox.
    Common sense dictates that there were inconspicuous leaders in this storming crowd. And in a police state like the SGA, such people should be under strict control, which means that the assumption has the right to life that all this was organized by competent people. And obviously local, i.e. operation of some kind of their special services. After all, in America, an orange revolution is impossible - there is no American embassy there.
  • Quadro
    Quadro 11 January 2021 14: 03
    -4
    Quote: Stroporez
    Quote: Dalny V
    It's just that Trump somehow hysterically reacts to the whole thing - well, he's not a rebel, what can you do

    Personally, I absolutely don't care who will be a prezik in the states, but the civic position of a part of the population amazes me greatly why in one of the richest countries in the world the people are dissatisfied with something, are active, go on strike, storm, hold rallies, generally fight for their rights and goes across the system at the same time when in another country with a poor population and a pension of 150 bucks, a stable cemetery silence?
    Paradox.

    Again you are a poor clown. If you don't care, what have you forgotten here? Get out from here.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 11 January 2021 19: 19
    +4
    Because the founders clearly said that one of the necessary components of a revolutionary situation is the party. Without her - no way, one booth leaves. In the United States, at least some of the structures of the Republican Party have worked, albeit in spite of the party bosses. In our country, a party that has at least some right to call itself a mass and popular party is absent as a class .. Well, do not count as such traitors and renegades from the Communist Party? Therefore - if you want an active citizenship of the population - create a party. Or - overthrow Genosse Zyu. Without this, nothing good will come of it. And precisely because of this, the authorities so desperately cut out any sprouts of alternative party building. They know how it can end ..
  • Altona
    Altona 11 January 2021 23: 18
    -1
    Quote: Stroporez
    Personally, I absolutely don't care who will be a prezik in the states, but the civic position of a part of the population amazes me greatly why in one of the richest countries in the world the people are dissatisfied with something, are active, go on strike, storm, hold rallies, generally fight for their rights and goes across the system at the same time when in another country with a poor population and a pension of 150 bucks, a stable cemetery silence?
    Paradox.

    --------------------------
    There is no paradox. The institutions of power in the country have not been formed. There is no recognized institution of the ruling elite. The authorities overthrew the socialist institution (however, it overthrew itself with its own privileged group, that is, the nomenclature), the bourgeois one completely discredited itself (because there is the same Soviet nomenclature). Well, tomorrow there will be a new messiah on the armored car. Where is the guarantee that this is the new Stalin? And not just another Pan Gritsian, Yeltsin, General Makashov or Lebed, Yanaev or some other "frontman" without ideas and an image of the future, only with loud populist rhetoric.
  • bullss
    bullss 13 January 2021 15: 39
    0
    Well why.? It was the same! Remember! And the white house was on fire. But when did the people start to live better after such performances? After 17 or after 91?
  • Civil
    Civil 11 January 2021 08: 36
    -4
    Democracy is the worst form of government

    Of course, only autocracy and new feudalism, as in the DPRK. No problems, no Maidans. Everyone is happy.
    Trump, who came to power quite legally and democratically in 2016, also refused to legally and democratically transfer his powers.

    Like Lukashenka, it was necessary to legally and democratically remain for life. Trump gave up the slack.

    Democracy has outlived its usefulness, the most promising is still a feudal monarchy in the stage of absolute autocracy. There is no need for any elections, the transfer of power only on the basis of a kin principle. The population does not have special knowledge to manage themselves.
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 11 January 2021 17: 47
      -1
      Quote: Civil
      Like Lukashenka, it was necessary to legally and democratically remain for life.


      Lukashenka was smart enough to change the Constitution, but Trump did not.
  • Bad_gr
    Bad_gr 11 January 2021 10: 52
    +10
    Quote: Dalny V
    Democrats, not Trump, planted the bomb under democracy in the beacon of democracy.
    I will support this opinion. While the crowd rioted the cities, the democrats defended them, and as soon as the same thing got to the government building, the participants suddenly became terrorists. In this regard, Trump did not change his behavior: he did not call on his supporters to smash the government building, but only to come to this building so that the administration would see those who disagree with the election results. Someone took advantage of this crowd very well.
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 11 January 2021 17: 48
      -8
      Quote: Bad_gr
      While the mobs raged in the cities, the Democrats defended them


      Democrats condemned the pogroms. Congratulations, citizen, lied.
      1. Illanatol
        Illanatol 16 January 2021 09: 40
        0
        Democrats condemned the pogroms.


        Democrats condemned BLM activists? How exactly did they condemn them?
        BLM members noticed this "condemnation"?
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 16 January 2021 09: 57
          0
          Quote: Illanatol
          Democrats condemned BLM activists?


          What exactly is incomprehensible to you in the phrase "the democrats condemned the pogroms"? For example, Biden (but not only him) condemned the pogroms.

          Quote: Illanatol
          BLM members noticed this "condemnation"?


          Find BLMovtsev and ask.
      2. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 19 January 2021 22: 47
        0
        Democrats condemned the pogroms

        Formally you are right

        De facto, there was a stream of absurd statements, justifying the rioters
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 19 January 2021 22: 48
          0
          Quote: Santa Fe
          De facto, there was a stream of absurd statements, justifying the rioters


          Give a few.
          1. Santa Fe
            Santa Fe 19 January 2021 23: 32
            0
            https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/03/pulitzer-prize-winning-new-york-times-writer-destroying-property-isnt-violence/

            this was especially successful -

            https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/08/cnn-guest-not-wanting-to-be-raped-and-robbed-is-white-privilege/


            As elsewhere, enchanting news is being broadcast on the central TV channels
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 19 January 2021 23: 47
              0
              It was about democratic politicians, and your first reference to some hack. On the second link I did not find an excuse for the robbery, could you quote? I see the Democrat mayor's statement "I do not support the full abolition of police" there.
              1. Santa Fe
                Santa Fe 20 January 2021 03: 20
                0
                Kamala Harris: "The protests must not stop" and "They are not going to stop and they must not."

                Such a statement in the midst of the pogroms is incitement

                The politician does not need to be told Thunder !, his task is to express approval at the right moment, so that by reaction everyone will understand that there will be no consequences for the pogroms. Raise a fund for depositing bail for arrested rioters (Harris)
                1. The eye of the crying
                  The eye of the crying 20 January 2021 12: 36
                  0
                  Quote: Santa Fe
                  Kamala Harris: "The protests must not stop" and "They are not going to stop and they must not."


                  I do not see any approval of pogroms and robberies in this. And protests are an American national tradition. Free country what you want.

                  Quote: Santa Fe
                  The politician does not need to be told Smash !, his task is to express approval at the right time


                  Interestingly, do you feel the same way about Trump's speech on January 6, or is it different?
                  1. Santa Fe
                    Santa Fe 20 January 2021 23: 10
                    0
                    On protests, they fight for their rights, not rob shops. In January, no one robbed the capitol in downtown Washington. For all my hatred of bulk supporters, they do not rob Moscow boutiques

                    The aim of the BLM participants were boutiques, under the guise of slogans. It is much more pleasant and safer to rob in the name of a great purpose.

                    All who called the robberies the proud word protest were instigators

                    What Trump said on January 6 did not find
                    1. The eye of the crying
                      The eye of the crying 20 January 2021 23: 16
                      0
                      Quote: Santa Fe
                      On protests, they fight for their rights, not rob shops.


                      Anyone who has studied history in school should know that protests are often accompanied by robberies. True, usually different people are engaged in them.

                      Quote: Santa Fe
                      BLM participants targeted shops


                      You know everything, comrade sergeant, you have been everywhere.

                      Quote: Santa Fe
                      What Trump said on January 6 did not find


                      If they tried, they would find it. But then it would be more difficult for you to stand in a beautiful white coat.
                    2. Santa Fe
                      Santa Fe 21 January 2021 00: 00
                      0
                      Protest is also a risk for protesters. and BLM risked nothing. The police are indifferent, the media are for them, if the Democrats bail

                      The once powerful movement for black rights disappeared somewhere after Biden's victory. Twitter sometimes rings about new cases a la Floyd, but the official reaction is zero

                      I'm sure Trump called on his supporters to riot. But there is a nuance, Trump supporters do not rob boutiques, just as their ancestors in Boston threw tea into the water without taking anything for themselves.
                    3. The eye of the crying
                      The eye of the crying 21 January 2021 00: 29
                      0
                      Quote: Santa Fe
                      BLM risked nothing.


                      I would call a rubber bullet in the head a very real risk, but whatever you say. It is already clear that you followed the protests at best on the Russia Today website.

                      Quote: Santa Fe
                      The once powerful movement for black rights disappeared somewhere after Biden's victory.


                      You make such global conclusions in 2.5 months that it's just uh.
                    4. Santa Fe
                      Santa Fe 21 January 2021 01: 49
                      0
                      In terms of danger to life, BLM is similar to motorsport or skydiving. The ones are broken, the rest have fun while they can

                      Protesters in other countries run the risk of losing everything, against them all repressive methods from fines and dismissals to sentences and murders. For a thrown glass they give a term, for arson and robbery they would not stand on ceremony at all

                      BLM does not react to new cases of murders of black policemen, maybe it just coincided that the democratic leader won and the black protests became unnecessary ...?
                    5. The eye of the crying
                      The eye of the crying 21 January 2021 02: 04
                      0
                      Quote: Santa Fe
                      In terms of danger to life, BLM is similar to motorsport or skydiving.


                      How accurate are you. Could you give the percentage of those killed and seriously injured among parachutists and among protesters? Of course you won't. But the good news is that you (perhaps against your will) recognized protesting as a risky business.

                      Quote: Santa Fe
                      BLM does not respond to new police killings of blacks


                      If you thought that summer-level protests happen after every black cop killed, you live in the land of elves.

                      Quote: Santa Fe
                      maybe it just coincided that the democratic leader won and the black protests became unnecessary ...?


                      Stop showing ignorance and look at Wikipedia for a list of "black riots". Spoiler alert: under the black Democrat Obama, they visited twice a year.
                    6. Santa Fe
                      Santa Fe 21 January 2021 03: 55
                      0
                      You can feel the difference between a dangerous sport and a war on the street with the police and riot police when they are not on the side of the protesters. Risks and consequences

                      And yes, the second case involves free participation, no new sneakers or iPhones as a prize

                      Summer level protests last happened in 1992

                      I spoke not for black riots, but for the BLM movement
                    7. The eye of the crying
                      The eye of the crying 21 January 2021 04: 01
                      0
                      What nonsense are you talking about?

                      Quote: Santa Fe
                      a war on the street with the police and riot police


                      You don't seem to understand the difference between the army, the punitive, and the law enforcement. These are three different things.

                      Quote: Santa Fe
                      I spoke not for black riots, but for the BLM movement


                      You talked about a lot. True, you know about this all about nothing.
                    8. Santa Fe
                      Santa Fe 21 January 2021 04: 47
                      0
                      We exchanged views
                      I will no longer write in this thread hi
  • midivan
    midivan 11 January 2021 17: 37
    +8
    Quote: Dalny V
    So I disagree with the author

    Yes, and the author completely forgot about BLM, suddenly they calmed down and everything began to suit them, Biden's good blacks smashed the states and the police were on their knees in front of them, Trump's bad "Whites" are the most dangerous criminals ...
  • Vend
    Vend 11 January 2021 19: 07
    +4
    Color revolutions are a tool that can be used in any country. The USA thought they were immune from this. But no. I think it's time for the United States to split into 50 independent states. And everyone should live according to their own rules. This will be the best option for everyone.
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 11 January 2021 04: 56
    +7
    All America is a greedy mouth
    But Russia ... this is a lump ...
    If only the Soviet power! ..
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 11 January 2021 06: 12
      +4
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      All America is a greedy mouth
      But Russia ... this is a lump ...
      If only the Soviet power! ..

      ... Or, as in dominoes - "fish"!
    2. novel66
      novel66 11 January 2021 08: 19
      -6
      or as in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation Shandyba ..
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 11 January 2021 09: 15
        +4
        Roma hi Dyvis, judging by the estimates, how many anti-Soviet, Russophobes and Yankilyubs are in the VO! I'm surprised and puzzled!
        1. bk316
          bk316 11 January 2021 15: 00
          +6
          how many anti-Soviets, Russophobes and Yankilyubs are on the VO!

          hi And not just liberals. laughing
          1. novel66
            novel66 11 January 2021 16: 34
            +3
            that's for sure!
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 11 January 2021 05: 15
    +10
    So ... by analogy with Biden's Belarus, we declare a dictator, the US democracy is a satrap regime, the US security forces are fascists ... Looking at this nativity scene, Lukashenko feels the deepest satisfaction ... But there is still a trial of Democrats over Trump and his supporters ... Nancy Pylosi vomits and flies and demands Trump's head as a favorite food in his breakfast. How beautiful the New Year began in the USA.
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 11 January 2021 05: 23
    -6
    I think there will be a civil war.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 11 January 2021 05: 26
      +6
      It is unlikely that Trump, as a leader, looks more like a provocateur than a man capable of leading the outraged American protests.
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 11 January 2021 05: 56
        +3
        It's not about Trump, the American administration has shown examples of how the authorities in other countries are being overthrown and their citizens have seen it and also want changes.
        1. stalki
          stalki 11 January 2021 07: 52
          +7
          It's not about Trump, the American administration has shown examples of how the authorities in other countries are being overthrown and their citizens have seen it and also want changes.
          Yes, but the authorities do not support them lol and intelligence services against you know. And the establishment for the most part is categorically against such unplanned events. Orwell hit the top ten, soon his "1984" will be anathematized. All heretics to the fire and torture chambers!
          Big Brother's decisions cannot be questioned. laughing
          1. Motorist
            Motorist 11 January 2021 22: 41
            +2
            Quote: stalki
            Orwell hit the top ten

            If you quietly create and implement "new norms", then it will be practically impossible to "wake up from sleep" - to remember that a person was born free. For example: a year has not passed, and already, having forgotten the mask at home, it seems that he forgot to put on his panties. Kirdyk will soon be of this civilization ...
        2. Aleksandr21
          Aleksandr21 11 January 2021 08: 06
          +8
          Quote: Pessimist22
          It's not about Trump, the American administration has shown examples of how the authorities in other countries are being overthrown and their citizens have seen it and also want changes.


          Only here there is a significant difference between the change of government in other countries and the United States. In the United States, there is simply no force that would spend resources on a change of power ... let's take the Republicans, for example: Leader Trump surrendered and thinks how to save his own skin, his supporters and allies are turning to the opposite side and trying to distance themselves from Trump, other Republican influence groups - have gone into the shadows and will be preparing for the elections in 2024 and so that their candidate comes in 2025, that's all. As for the democrats (globalists), they won, business (corporations) are also satisfied with Biden's victory, which is only the blocking of social networks of the official president of the United States (this is nonsense!), Trump is also drowned in the controlled media ... so I don't see a force that could pour resources into a coup in the states and start a civil war. Yes, perhaps there will be riots on January 20, and the next couple of months but without a leader, without the support of political force, without the support of crowd coordination, etc. the protest will fade away. In other countries (Asia, BV, CIS ...) the situation is different, there was a party that poured resources into the state. coup and was able to do it, with the support of forces in the United States ... not everywhere, of course (somewhere without support), but there was an interested party, and here the Democrats have too strong positions + with the support of the corporation, so the coup will not work out.
          1. major147
            major147 11 January 2021 22: 33
            +1
            Quote: Aleksandr21
            Yes, perhaps there will be riots on January 20, and the next couple of months but without a leader, without the support of political force, without the support of crowd coordination, etc. the protest will fade away.

            And those who disagree will be cleaned out. "Comrade" McCarthy is a prime example of this.
          2. stalki
            stalki 11 January 2021 23: 48
            +1
            but here the Democrats have too strong positions + with the support of the corporation, so the coup will not work.
            Yes "coup" no one seriously and did not take it, there is more discussion that democracy as such has gone into oblivion. This form of power mutated by itself and proved its inconsistency in the pure sense of the word.
      2. bad
        bad 11 January 2021 08: 53
        +26
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Trump as a leader looks more like a provocateur than a man capable of leading the protests of outraged Americans

        In my opinion, everything was rigged by Biden. He has experience due to his long experience. Doni acted too impulsively and made a lot of mistakes.
      3. paul3390
        paul3390 11 January 2021 19: 25
        0
        Yes, not Ilyich .. Not at all .. Agent Donald turned out to be weak on his knees, weak. And he is shamefully not politically savvy ..
      4. Illanatol
        Illanatol 16 January 2021 09: 43
        0
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        It is unlikely that Trump, as a leader, looks more like a provocateur than a man capable of leading the outraged American protests.


        "" Eh Gapon, Gapon ", a groan swept across Russia."

        Provocateurs are also needed in the initial phase of the revolution.
        Keep it up, Comrade Trump!
    2. Alexander Galaktionov
      Alexander Galaktionov 11 January 2021 06: 03
      +1
      Perhaps it all depends on them, if they were confident, let them go to the end. And so consider the Democrats wiped their feet on the Republicans.
    3. Alexander Galaktionov
      Alexander Galaktionov 11 January 2021 06: 16
      +7
      In the news section, they write that Trump supporters want to exit on January 20, up to 1 mile, we will see
      1. novel66
        novel66 11 January 2021 08: 20
        +1
        the masses, not armed with theory, are just a crowd ... Trump does not pull Lenin
        1. Alexander Galaktionov
          Alexander Galaktionov 11 January 2021 08: 24
          +3
          I think they will find who will lead, but the population has a lot of weapons in the southern states, some have 2-3, conditionally a machine gun, a sniper and so on for little things
      2. major147
        major147 11 January 2021 22: 35
        +1
        [quote = Alexander Galaktionov] In the news section they write that Trump supporters want to leave on January 20, up to 1 mile people / quote]
        And with a weapon ...
    4. Crowe
      Crowe 11 January 2021 09: 23
      +18
      I think there will be a civil war.

      Aha. And the Earth will hit the celestial axis and finally Yellowstone will explode, that's when all this America is a kirdy. And then, you know, this damned west is rotting, but something still won't rot. Apparently the West is only for us evil and aggressive damned imperialist, but for our officials a kind fairy aunt:
      The guarantor of the Constitution has both daughters living abroad, and the ex-wife preferred London over Moscow.
      Medvedev's son Ilya studies and works in the United States and does not plan to return to his homeland.
      Lavrov has a daughter, Ekaterina, who lives in New York on a permanent basis, graduated from college and received citizenship.
      Deputy Fetisov's daughter grew up in the United States and can neither read nor write in Russian.
      Mizulina's (the main patriot and fighter for Orthodox values), the son preferred to live and work in Belgium, apparently not satisfied with his mother's values.
      President Peskov's press secretary is a separate case altogether. The wife is a US citizen, he himself is a French citizen, and the children live in London.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 11 January 2021 09: 27
        +2
        Quote: Crowe
        And then, you know, this damned west is rotting, but something still won't rot. Apparently the west is only for us an evil and aggressive damned imperialist, but for our officials a kind fairy aunt:

        Well said! Respect +100500 drinks
      2. dauria
        dauria 11 January 2021 11: 31
        +3
        The wife is a US citizen, he himself is a French citizen, and the children live in London.


        Well, and I thought it was a sinful thing that we would lie under China ... laughing Everything is fine, we continue to learn English.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 12 January 2021 00: 02
          -1
          Quote: dauria
          Well, and I thought it was a sinful thing that we would lie under China ...

          Whoever gives more, they will fall under him. There is such a profession ...
  • tasha
    tasha 11 January 2021 05: 41
    +5
    Good article. I think nothing special will happen. They will make noise, shout and disperse. Change? Yes, they will.
    In the United States, the traditional two-party structure and the archaic presidential election system have definitely failed.

    But I draw your attention to this: "But the main result of January 6 looks much more serious and tragic." After all, they emphasize that the problems are in democracy, and not in how and in what form democracy is implemented.
    1. Motorist
      Motorist 11 January 2021 23: 10
      +1
      Quote: tasha
      I think nothing special will happen.

      So I also thought so about the blacks a couple of months ago, but no - they cave in under the minority. True, "those blacks - whoever needs blacks" ... Let's see if there are leaders.
      1. tasha
        tasha 12 January 2021 04: 13
        +1
        Everything is constantly changing. Trump is already shaking with compromising evidence. It's not far from Dallas here ... request
        The FBI reports some armed groups. What are the forecasts. We continue to observe ..
  • serg.shishkov2015
    serg.shishkov2015 11 January 2021 05: 47
    0
    Get, Yankees, what you have sown all over the world! The color revolution has come to you too! Into your wigwam!
  • alex tsk
    alex tsk 11 January 2021 06: 00
    +5
    Brexit, the capture of the Capitol ... Season Two begins exciting!
  • Cottodraton
    Cottodraton 11 January 2021 06: 14
    +4
    Trump is the same as Puigdemon - he shouted a lot and importantly, warmed up the crowd, and when he brought it to a critical point, he went home. It is not clear why and for what ... if he was not going to stay in power ... Now is the era of "bezyaytsev" (yes, the moderator will understand me correctly) politicians-talkers ...
  • Comrade
    Comrade 11 January 2021 06: 18
    +10
    Our democracy is now undergoing an unprecedented attack like no other in our time. An attack on the people's representatives and the police, who vowed to protect them. What we see is a small bunch of extremists dealing with lawlessness. This is not dissent. It's a mess. It's chaos

    But when in 2007 there was a "rose revolution" in Georgia and Saakashvili and his friends broke into the parliament of Georgia, the West, led by the States, then fiercely, furiously applauded. Like, these are folk heroes protesting against election fraud.
    The Americans declared Shevardnadze a bad guy, and Saakashvili a good one.

    And now the boomerang has returned to America, protesters against fraud in the US presidential election entered the capitol.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 11 January 2021 07: 56
      +7
      Quote: Comrade
      The Americans declared Shevardnadze a bad guy, and Saakashvili a good one.

      They were mistaken in only one thing: both he and the other are ...
      1. novel66
        novel66 11 January 2021 08: 21
        -2
        and they themselves are not better
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  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 11 January 2021 06: 20
    +3
    But the main result of January 6 looks much more serious and tragic. In the United States, the traditional two-party structure and the archaic presidential election system have definitely failed.

    Is it only in the USA? Or, perhaps, the system of democratic elections begins to fail wherever it is used: the administrative resource, various "carousels" replace the will of the people with the opinion of the appointed electors; Or, even more comically, organize weekly voting with visits to local benches, stumps, car trunk racks, forcing the chairmen of precinct commissions to withdraw 146% by pressure from “above”? belay
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 11 January 2021 09: 29
      +2
      Or maybe the system of democratic elections starts to fail where they use: ...
      The system of democratic elections fails as soon as the number of voters exceeds several thousand souls. This time.
      Who told you that the US has democratic elections? These are two.
      There the system is like in France of the late Middle Ages - the era of the States General. In ancient Athens, the electoral system was more progressive. Not to mention modern realities.
  • mark2
    mark2 11 January 2021 06: 35
    +3
    If the opinion of the minority is not taken into account, then they may well not take into account the opinion of the majority and by force to prove their case. If it turned out to be possible in Washington, then why not?

    Who are you, a minority? Name yourself. This time.
    Of course you can try. These are two.
    And third. It doesn't work in your favorite city on the hill, it doesn't work in other places.
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 11 January 2021 07: 11
    +10
    Eyewitnesses to the January 6 Freedom March claim with justification that the infiltration of the Capitol building was a deliberate provocation by the Democrats. Some liberal media reported the assault at 9:00, although people entered at about 15:00.
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DkMObxCVYXys&ved=2ahUKEwi76JCfgpPuAhWI-6QKHQ7QDCsQ3e4CMAF6BAgBEAs&usg=AOvVaw1oYgVWBBo-VlPTcszdR9n8
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 11 January 2021 18: 27
      -1
      The Congress building is free for tourists. smile
      No appointment.
      There is nothing to "penetrate" there. You can officially go in and wander
      through the halls.
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 11 January 2021 19: 09
        +1
        Hello Alexey, Happy New Year! yes Did you listen to Steve Dudnik and Misha Khazin?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 11 January 2021 19: 28
          -1
          I've been to Washington. True, I did not go to Congress. There are many museums, an alley of museums.
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 11 January 2021 19: 31
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            I've been to Washington. True, I did not go to Congress. There are many museums, an alley of museums.

            So we talked ... "It was a good conversation" (c) Feature film "The Last Samurai".
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 January 2021 07: 27
    +7
    The United States has publicly proven that the so-called. democracy is just a word that covers up those who are eager to rule the world. The Democrats openly and brazenly falsified the elections (before that, they persecuted the legally elected president for four years), now they will begin to clean up the clearing of objectionable ones using repressive methods. Participants are already starting to be dismissed from work, a number of people are prohibited from flying, they are denied loans, they are disconnected from social networks, i.e. amaze people in their rights. So where, after all, was and is there a totalitarian regime, which was covered up with bombastic words?
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 11 January 2021 12: 08
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      The United States has publicly proved that the so-called. democracy is just a word that covers up those who yearn to rule the world
      Not this way. The foundation of socialist democracy in the USSR was laid by people who believed in the righteousness of their cause, therefore conviction is its characteristic feature. And in the modern world of bourgeois democracy, suggestion is used. How are persuasion and suggestion different? Persuasion is based on coercion into a certain action; convince either by the force of arguments, or by the force of law, or by the threat of violence: "if you cannot, we will teach, if you do not want, we will force." And suggestion is based on lies; are inspired by the technological enveloping of consciousness with such "new circumstances" in which the action required of a person seems to him natural and most correct, and therefore coincides with his own choice. Hence the need, especially relevant in the information age, to legally equate lies with violence. Clearing the information space from the garbage of lies is a task no less, and perhaps more important, than clearing nature from garbage and the destructive impact of civilization.
  • Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 11 January 2021 07: 29
    +2
    "The Russians have to wait until the hands of American analysts reach the Kremlin, and accusations will fall on the entourage of President Vladimir Putin." laughing Oh and oh, yes, for the seventh year, Russia is accused of everything that does not suit the Anglo-Saxons, so one more, one less does not change anything. Anyway, the overwhelming majority of Russians are warmed by the ongoing mess in the United States, some liberoids grieve. winked
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 11 January 2021 07: 33
    +1
    As I understand it, a permanent circus was made from the Capitol, like we have in Moscow on Tsvetnoy Boulevard. Only it is not very clear who is the clown, who is the trainer, who are the animals, and who is the master.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 11 January 2021 07: 59
      +4
      Quote: Ros 56
      As I understand it, a permanent circus was made from the Capitol, like we have in Moscow on Tsvetnoy Boulevard. Only it is not very clear who is the clown, who is the trainer, who are the animals, and who is the master.

      So we have Verkhovna Zrada also "under the dome." Only here we know for sure who is the owner, who are the animals ...
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 11 January 2021 09: 35
        0
        I agree, there are all the animals in the zrada, but what kind of thing turns out, the American owner of this zrada can also become a little animal and then expect trouble, and for the Banderlog themselves.
  • K-50
    K-50 11 January 2021 07: 45
    +7
    Inside the country, he (Trump) is threatened with impeachment, suspension from duties due to mental illness

    Yeah, yeah, and Biden is so "balanced" and healthy! fellow
    Especially if you remember his antics at some performance !!! lol
    They are there in general a bunch of those who escaped from "Koschenko". Apparently the local Bonapartes and other Hitlers did not give them power. wassat
  • Avior
    Avior 11 January 2021 08: 39
    +1
    This one, in a hat with horns, has long been identified. Known in his state for participating in a variety of protests, for whatever reasons, a supporter of conspiracy theories.
    The arrival of Trump supporters made such a strong impression on the crews with their behavior on the planes that their unions demanded that they take harsh measures against them when they fly out of Washington, to the extent that they are not allowed on planes, they have already been supported by the civil aviation authorities ...
    A police officer from the Capitol guard, who was first sprayed with a gas canister, and then hit on the head, as they say, with a fire extinguisher, died as a result, and turned out to be also a supporter of Trump, before that he served in the National Guard.
    Someone here wrote about secret documents that were stolen - they only found information that a couple of laptops had disappeared, there is no confirmation that there was something secret on them.
    In fact, there is a part of the Capitol, access to which is open to everyone, so Trump's supporters got there relatively freely, but when the veteran lady tried to get into other Capitol buildings inaccessible to everyone through the broken window above the door, the Guard used weapons.
    As for the National Guard, which the Pentagon refused to provide, they write that the mayor of Washington demanded several hundred unarmed National Guardsmen to ensure order in the city, they did not go to such a setup for the National Guard in the form of whipping boys, and later a full-fledged contingent of several thousand National Guardsmen was introduced to ensuring order.
    Many Republican senators immediately stopped supporting Trump's actions, as did Pence when he saw what was happening.
    It is not clear, by the way, why they were looking for Pence in the Capitol, he has his own headquarters.
    It's interesting to see how it all ends up for Trump, five casualties though.
    But impeachment under 20 is hard to believe, there is little time.
  • prior
    prior 11 January 2021 08: 39
    +4
    It's just that a new, so to speak, young form of democracy was born in America: Biden, Pelosi, Penis ...
    and others, all over 70 and 80.
  • Boris55
    Boris55 11 January 2021 09: 28
    -3
    Quote: E. Fedorov
    Trump, who came to power quite legally and democratically in 2016, also refused to legally and democratically transfer his powers.

    Trump legally came to power, but they removed him - not legally. Although, what is meant by law? The law is not democracy, not the desire of the majority, and its rulers write to give the people the illusion of some kind of “game” rules, in which: “A gentleman always wins, if a gentleman loses, then a gentleman changes the rules”.

    ps
    Fedorov showed his attitude towards the Clintonoid. Congratulations, another enemy of Russia has emerged.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 11 January 2021 09: 31
    +1
    Trump and the Republicans themselves ran into American democracy. After all, they could not agree with the holding of absentee elections. But here the point is different. Those who considered America a model of democracy will scratch their heads. And there are about a hundred such countries. Countries have a view of the future. The rest live for today.
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 January 2021 09: 33
    +4
    January 6 events will be included in textbooks

    The cartoons have already been included.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 11 January 2021 09: 35
    +1
    And Donya is great. He's not yet one such, disco, suit them.) But you can understand him. They started with falsification and will end with "pots on their heads" like our neighbors.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 11 January 2021 09: 37
    +3
    Say, against the storming of the Capitol of blacks, the defenders would not hesitate to use automatic weapons.

    But a black policeman shot a white woman, a veteran of the US Army. And everything is quiet and calm.
    1. Avior
      Avior 11 January 2021 11: 18
      0
      But protesters Trump supporters first beat a white man, a US Army veteran, a Trump supporter, a Capitol police officer with a fire extinguisher
      hi
      1. bk316
        bk316 11 January 2021 14: 55
        +1
        So this is the Maidan, it is supposed to be there - beat your own so that strangers would be afraid.
  • Diviz
    Diviz 11 January 2021 10: 26
    +2
    Look at Wonder Woman 1984. Irish people get out! The saleswoman said. The times of Kennedy and then Lincoln continue. The USA is the English Colony and all the accumulated medieval knowledge there, a pandora's box, is eager to break free with elements of matrix and necromancy.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 11 January 2021 11: 21
      0
      Quote: DiViZ
      USA is the English Colony and all the accumulated medieval knowledge there, pandora's box

      And where will the child go from his own mother.
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 11 January 2021 14: 31
    +2
    since I worked a lot with Americans and know their culture, then I will explain what Trump said, this is probably incomprehensible to the Russian reader, such phrases from the stands American speakers say very often, they have very "high" emotions, "achieve" "to show character "and other pompous phrases, often their entire speech is a dummy filled with such pompous slogans, designed for empty but noisy emotions in the heads of the dumb American crowd, they live like this, starting with" Happy birthday to you "shouted with such enthusiasm as if they were even familiar with the birthday boy ... but the fact that these next empty words of Trump were perceived by the masses as a guide to action ... this says that the people are really tired
    1. Motorist
      Motorist 11 January 2021 23: 23
      0
      Quote: vladimir1155
      often their entire speech is empty filled with such bombastic slogans

      Thanks for the clarification (sincerely!). And then I thought that either the translations were clumsy, or my American was very thin. I could not understand - what kind of inarticulate nonsense are they talking about ?! Information - zero!

      We laugh at Psaki, but she - it turns out - says everything is correct (from the point of view of an American).
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  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 11 January 2021 20: 04
    0
    All nonsense.
    Firstly, this is not the first time. And not even the third.
    secondly - they also have a proverb - from time to time democracy must be fertilized with the blood of patriots.

    So they all understand and nifiga nothing serious has happened and will not happen, like the media does not pull an owl on the globe .... The same "black revolution" in the media is almost forgotten. And how many were "peremogs" on it ...
  • APASUS
    APASUS 11 January 2021 21: 04
    +1
    Democracy, democracy, democracy at every corner, and when they opened it, it turned out to be dung!
    A new concept has appeared in the USA - internal terrorists! Ha, can you imagine if our opposition was called terrorists ???
    And this is a little more, now CNN is demanding that Fox News be banned (I would never have thought that I would support this Fox News dump, but I support them)
    1. TatarinSSSR
      TatarinSSSR 11 January 2021 21: 17
      0
      Fox News is quite neutral towards Russia and quite often broadcasts less truthful news. I do watch sometimes, especially interviews in their studio.
    2. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 11 January 2021 21: 49
      -1
      Quote: APASUS
      A new concept has appeared in the USA - internal terrorists!


      It is new only for those who receive news from the Russian media, and so it is at least 20 years old.

      Quote: APASUS
      Ha, can you imagine if our opposition was called terrorists ???


      Ha, can you imagine the opposition to take the parliament building in Russia?
      1. major147
        major147 11 January 2021 22: 41
        +2
        Quote: Eye of the Crying
        Ha, can you imagine the opposition to take the parliament building in Russia?

        Perfectly represent
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 12 January 2021 00: 27
          -1
          Who was the opposition then - President Yeltsin or Vice President Rutskoi? smile Then on both sides there was a legally elected government.
          1. major147
            major147 12 January 2021 18: 41
            +1
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            Who was the opposition then?

            Here from which side to look request
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 12 January 2021 09: 03
        +1
        Quote: Eye of the Crying
        It is new only for those who receive news from the Russian media, and he is at least 20 years old

        Come on. I think it will not be difficult for you to lay out a link with the concept of "internal terrorists" 20 years ago?
        Quote: Eye of the Crying
        Ha, can you imagine the opposition to take the parliament building in Russia?

        The man from the sect with horns, the hobbits with the Confederate flag - is this the opposition?
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 12 January 2021 11: 52
          -1
          Quote: APASUS
          I think it will not be difficult for you to post a link with the concept of "internal terrorists" 20 years ago?


          Too lazy to mess around. Domestic terrorism is defined in the 2001 PATRIOT Act. If you're interested, check out the related Wikipedia article.

          Quote: APASUS
          The man from the sect with horns, the hobbits with the Confederate flag - is this the opposition?


          Here it would be necessary to decide who, in your opinion, deserves the title of "opposition". But, if you read the topic in more detail, you would know that a wide variety of people participated in the capture of the Capitol - from former military personnel to lawyers.
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 11 January 2021 21: 16
    0
    All this is cool, interesting and surprising, but there is no show-off for Russia. No matter what happens in the United States, no matter what president changes there for another, a sovereign Russia with a strong army for the United States was and is a competitor and an enemy. Only a weak and ruined Russia, like under Gorbachev and Yeltsin, is acceptable for the United States.
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  • In a d and m
    In a d and m 12 January 2021 00: 52
    0
    Democracy?!
    Oh well!
  • Cympak
    Cympak 12 January 2021 00: 55
    0
    Exalted media outlets later commented on this gentleness of the law enforcement officers with a small proportion of African Americans among the attackers. They say that the defenders would not hesitate to use automatic weapons against the storming of the Capitol.

    A little touch about "their morals". During the riots, a black intelligence officer shot and killed an unarmed white woman - Ashley Babbitt, a veteran of the United States Air Force.
    Shot moment

    In the photo, the moment of the shot
    And silence, no performances of black people on their knees, walking with the slogans "White lives matter", disruptive "howling" in the liberal media about the lawlessness of the security forces.
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 12 January 2021 11: 56
      0
      Quote: Cympak
      Unarmed white woman was shot dead by black intelligence officer in riot


      What does this black man allow himself?
  • APASUS
    APASUS 12 January 2021 08: 34
    +1
    I really like the way our liberal Echo comments on all this. How the tail wags the dog turns out. These are events in the light of democracy. How afraid to compare with Georgia and Ukraine, how carefully phrases are worded.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 12 January 2021 08: 42
      +2
      Our liberals have mourning. But this is not for long. Once Biden ascends the throne, they will forget about Trump. And again they will praise and set the example of overseas democracy.
  • iouris
    iouris 12 January 2021 12: 56
    +1
    The essence is. The phenomenon is significant.
    Unwillingness or inability to reveal the essence of the phenomena leads to banal reasoning and conclusions. A theory is needed. Without a theory, we are dead (if we are not dead yet).
  • sen
    sen 14 January 2021 03: 59
    +1
    When, after Trump's victory, the Democrats took their supporters out into the streets, who staged pogroms, this is democracy. When Trump's supporters have done the same, it's a coup attempt.