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Equipment causing problems on US Navy P-8A Poseidon anti-submarine aircraft

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Equipment causing problems on US Navy P-8A Poseidon anti-submarine aircraft

Some time ago, information appeared on the network (and Voennoye Obozreniye reported about it) about an excessive load on the power supply system of the units and nodes of the P-8A Poseidon anti-submarine patrol aircraft. It was pointed out that after the installation of new equipment, the load on the power supply system increased significantly, which at the same time led to the operation of the aircraft sensors at an increased temperature regime. In turn, this began to lead to equipment malfunctions. The pilots noted incorrect information provided by the sensors.


Initially, it was not specified what kind of avionics on the Poseidons began to lead to such problems. Now a lot is becoming clear in this regard.

It is reported that problems on anti-submarine aircraft aviation The US Navy P-8A Poseidon began to appear after the installation of additional equipment from BAE Systems. This company, commissioned by the US Navy, will begin serial deliveries of radio frequency countermeasures (RFCM) systems for the Poseidons.

It is noted that several prototypes of these systems have already been installed on the P-8A Poseidon as demonstration options. The entire range of supplies was planned to be completed by July 2021.

The radio frequency protection system has a high power and allows suppressing interference from enemy electronic warfare systems. Among other things, it can be integrated with the AN / ALE-55 "radio frequency trap". These traps were originally developed for the F / A-18E / F Super Hornet fighters.

The manufacturer said that with such a system "the level of protection of the P-8A Poseidon will increase." However, now the US Navy has to think about what actions to take so that the new radio frequency countermeasure system does not lead to exorbitant loads on the power supply system and does not affect other aircraft equipment.
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  1. evgen1221
    evgen1221 9 January 2021 16: 08
    -2
    They need to sit on their belly in the middle of the ocean more often to cool))) The problem will be removed at a time. I give a tooth!
    1. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr 9 January 2021 16: 45
      +8
      The manufacturer has increased the protection level of the P-8A Poseidon. Everything else is small. Add a diesel generator to the equipment or something similar. The problem will be solved. Reduce the load on the power supply system.
      1. Machito
        Machito 9 January 2021 16: 51
        +10
        We would have their problems. We do not have enough anti-submarine aircraft.
        1. Magic archer
          Magic archer 9 January 2021 17: 19
          +6
          And we have almost none. There are less than a dozen modernized Silts with Novella. The rest is out of date
          1. Bez 310
            Bez 310 9 January 2021 17: 28
            +6
            Quote: Magic Archer
            Ilov with Novella

            "Novella" is outdated even before it was put into service ...
            1. FIN
              FIN 10 January 2021 08: 00
              -1
              I was looking for my posts in the old MA. Found it))). 2008 year.
        2. Bez 310
          Bez 310 9 January 2021 17: 21
          +5
          Quote: Bearded
          We do not have enough anti-submarine aircraft.

          That's not the point ...
          We "stupidly lack" a new anti-submarine system,
          based on various principles of submarine detection.
          1. Machito
            Machito 9 January 2021 17: 25
            0
            Quote: Bez 310
            Quote: Bearded
            We do not have enough anti-submarine aircraft.

            That's not the point ...
            We "stupidly lack" a new anti-submarine system,
            based on various principles of submarine detection.

            We don't have enough brains. (C) cat Matroskin, Prostokvashino.
          2. FIN
            FIN 10 January 2021 06: 50
            +1
            MV good day.
            I took off the top five in Pushkin at the ARZ. The Indians drove there, after the failure of the exercises, I did not find ANYTHING ...
            March 2004.
            And then they drove to the plant Kamchatka Il, under the "Novella", although they knew that the Indians were abandoning Il.
            Just yesterday I read it. - "With the delivery of the first Boeing P-8I Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft, the process of withdrawal from the Indian Air Force Squadron 315 Winged Stallion in Goa / Dabolim (Hansa INS base)" vintage Il-38SD Sea Dragon aircraft has begun (" Sea dragons ").
            Although the Il-38 is not used on a regular basis, the Scramble magazine database still shows four Il-38s (IN301, IN303, IN306, and IN307) as active. It is possible that some of them have already been withdrawn from service.

            Fifth Il-38 (serial IN305) was last seen airborne in June 2018. In March 2020, the naval reconnaissance aircraft was exhibited as an exhibit at the Naval Aviation Museum in Goa / Dabolim. "
          3. FIN
            FIN 10 January 2021 09: 10
            0
            I wanted to ask for a long time. I forgot everything. In 2010 I threw off "From the screw" to you. There is a Tu-142 with ind. identified signs.
            Not in the know what and how?
            1. Bez 310
              Bez 310 10 January 2021 09: 49
              -1
              Quote: FIN
              Not in the know what and how?

              I don't even know what this is about ...
              1. The comment was deleted.
              2. FIN
                FIN 10 January 2021 09: 59
                0
                In the video from Mongokhto, two Tu-142 with identification. signs of India.
                I thought you knew. Where did they come from.
                1997 was filmed.
                1. Bez 310
                  Bez 310 10 January 2021 12: 24
                  -2
                  Quote: FIN
                  I thought you knew.

                  Do not know...
                  1. FIN
                    FIN 10 January 2021 12: 30
                    -1
                    Approx.
                    "We will search" (c) smile
                2. Alexey Puteev
                  Alexey Puteev 10 January 2021 18: 15
                  +2
                  To us in Taganrog in the 90s, 00s, Indians often flew to the aircraft plant on "their" carcasses for repairs. They walked around the market in turbans.
                  1. FIN
                    FIN 10 January 2021 22: 35
                    -1
                    It is possible that the video was composed with a piece of Taganrog.
                    Sometimes you come across this. They mirrored it, but forgot about the photo hatch on the left.
  2. Asad
    Asad 9 January 2021 16: 13
    +2
    Does the Pentagon report every malfunction to the public?
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 9 January 2021 16: 16
      +5
      Practically. The people should know what their money is spent on.
      1. Asad
        Asad 9 January 2021 16: 18
        +4
        What about secrecy?
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 9 January 2021 16: 22
          +7
          Where secrecy is needed, it is there. But for a certain time and this is an insignificant% of the total budget. For example, there is practically no information on RQ-170/180, HAWK, NGAT, etc.
        2. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 9 January 2021 16: 29
          +7
          Quote: ASAD
          What about secrecy?


          In this case. as in the case, for example, with the F-35 - security breaches / loss of technology, etc. no.

          But there is one huge plus.

          Publicity gives the following.

          The Pentagon - as a customer, wants high quality services.

          Almost all suppliers are joint stock companies.
          Publicly traded on the exchange.
          Accordingly, all such news affects the share price and, accordingly, the size of dividends, both for shareholders and the amount of bonuses for top managers of all ranks.
          Are there many problems with the equipment supplied? Less bonuses for the year! Up to the deprivation of a "very tasty" position.
          thus, the Pentagon is really stirring up the swamp, forcing top managers to spin like squirrels in order to maintain a high level of service.

          Our military-industrial complex needs such a system !!!
          1. Asad
            Asad 9 January 2021 17: 02
            -2
            Thanks for the answer! I wanted to ask, how do you feel about the fact that many Russians buy shares in the American military-industrial complex?
            1. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 9 January 2021 17: 11
              +3
              Quote: ASAD
              Thanks for the answer! I wanted to ask, how do you feel about the fact that many Russians buy shares in the American military-industrial complex?



              I do not know of people who have shares in BAE, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Grumman, etc.


              Apple, Intel - I know ..
              but.
              This is their right!
              They spend their earned money. from which both they and their employer paid all the required taxes ...

              If our Almaz-Antey, Kalashnikov, Severnye Verfi, Sukhoi - were worthy of investing money in shares - would invest in them too ...
              1. Asad
                Asad 9 January 2021 17: 13
                0
                Thanks for the detailed answer!
          2. bar
            bar 9 January 2021 18: 02
            -9
            Quote: SovAr238A
            Our military-industrial complex needs such a system !!!

            For what? So that after the completion of the next contract of the next joint-stock company, the entire reserve of knowledge and technologies disappears, as, for example, in the case of the same Saturn-5 engines, instead of which our RD-180s are being purchased? So that each new development "on a competitive basis" was started from scratch by a new "joint-stock company" such as Musk, etc.? Of course, if you pour in a large amount of dough, it can work out, especially since the striped ones print this loot themselves. But we will not succeed, our printing will not help here.
            1. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 9 January 2021 18: 13
              +6
              Quote: bar
              Quote: SovAr238A
              Our military-industrial complex needs such a system !!!

              For what? So that after the completion of the next contract of the next joint-stock company, the entire reserve of knowledge and technologies disappears, as, for example, in the case of the same Saturn-5 engines, instead of which our RD-180s are being purchased? So that each new development "on a competitive basis" was started from scratch by a new "joint-stock company" such as Musk, etc.? Of course, if you pour in a large amount of dough, it can work out, especially since the striped ones print this loot themselves. But we will not succeed, our printing will not help here.


              What's wrong with real competition in space?

              I live in Samara and have seen TsSKB Progress for the last 30 years.
              Just a rotten ancient swamp.
              I see Samara Aerospace University.
              I see graduates.
              I know some of them.

              We have a Swamp.
              irresistible and penniless.

              Smart and cleverest guys came to TsSKB with fire in their eyes and a bunch of ideas.
              We worked for two years - and for some reason everyone is studying English hard, because with their knowledge they are expected in the West to work.
              Of course, they won't get to Musk, the cream has already been collected there.
              But a bunch of others are evolving.
              And Musk has given a huge boost to private rocketry around the world.
              The rocketeers have become very popular.

              And our young talented specialists will leave.
              Forever.

              As the programmers left before.
              As the robotics left before.

              And our space will go into complete degradation.
              For only worthless people remain in these factories for a beggarly salary.
              An intelligent person who knows his ambitions and his own worth - he will always either leave to raise someone else's space, or leave with tears to another segment of the economy ...
              But our space will be empty anyway.
              1. bar
                bar 9 January 2021 18: 35
                -3
                Quote: SovAr238A
                our space will be empty anyway.

                It's sad. But how can joint-stock companies help this with a heavily cut state budget? And what kind of "competition" can there be for this beggarly budget if it is not enough to keep even one enterprise afloat?
                1. SovAr238A
                  SovAr238A 9 January 2021 18: 45
                  0
                  Quote: bar
                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  our space will be empty anyway.

                  It's sad. But how can joint-stock companies help this with a heavily cut state budget? And what kind of "competition" can there be for this beggarly budget if it is not enough to keep even one enterprise afloat?


                  Well, if a horse breaks his leg, he is shot ...
                  The point is to pull companies that do not pull.
                  There is a law of management.
                  If you want to update your staff, fire almost everyone and rebuild everyone from scratch.
                  For if there is at least 10% of the old line-up, they will reformat the entire new line-up into the old one.

                  And what if private traders are looking for customers to launch themselves?

                  It turns out that space is not that expensive.
                  And Musk employs 8 people with 20 launches a year.
                  And he showed how to do the result.

                  The Samara TsSKB Progress has as many as 16 thousand ...
                  And then there is Khrunichev, Energy, Flight with 60 thousand and a dozen more enterprises ...
                  1. bar
                    bar 9 January 2021 18: 50
                    -2
                    Quote: SovAr238A

                    Well, if a horse breaks his leg, he is shot ...

                    Is it just so harsh, without options? Have you tried to treat? Moreover, there is no other horse anyway (what did you write there about competition?).

                    There is a law of management.
                    If you want to update your staff, fire almost everyone and rebuild everyone from scratch.
                    For if there is at least 10% of the old line-up, they will reformat the entire new line-up into the old one.

                    These are the "managers" that have passed our design schools. Okay, at least in some places there was something left, they didn't let me shoot.
                    1. SovAr238A
                      SovAr238A 9 January 2021 19: 02
                      +3
                      Quote: bar

                      These are the "managers" that have passed our design schools. Okay, at least in some places there was something left, they didn't let me shoot.


                      Our space was pumped by our space Soviet chief designers, who were at the leadership of the design bureau.
                      Being directors.
                      At the Samara TsSKB Progress it was like this.
                      When at the dawn of perestroika they did not pay salaries for six months, all golden hands and inquisitive minds left there.
                      And they didn't "pay" not because there was no money, because then it was very profitable to spin salary funds in banks ...
                      And there were only "worthless" at the factories ... Those. who was not needed either in cooperatives or in the markets - they were not needed anywhere. Remained workers who lived in the suburbs on their own grazing, Remained those who were brought food from the village.
                      they did not have to take care of the maintenance of their family through a salary.

                      Then there was the second stage of the destruction of TsSKB Progress.
                      On the one hand, he seemed to be a "good deed", it turned out "as always" ...
                      It was called a respite from the army to a young specialist. "
                      Only now all the "young specialists" were children of TsSKB employees or adopted by acquaintance.
                      Then, do you know, it was either very expensive to get rid of the army, or did not know how.
                      And here again - a factor.
                      And again stupid young people came to the plant.
                      And there was no one to teach them!
                      Worthless will teach the young only to their worthless level!
                      not higher.
                      And now the "young worthless" have already grown to 45-50 years old.
                      and who could they teach and what?

                      This is how space fell apart.

                      And there have never been any smart managers in space.
                      This is a very "godfather" industry.
          3. Soko
            Soko 10 January 2021 09: 51
            +19
            Quote: SovAr238A
            Publicity gives the following

            It also gives traffic to sites with all the goodies (traffic, comments, etc.)
    2. Fizik M
      Fizik M 16 January 2021 03: 32
      0
      Quote: ASAD
      Does the Pentagon report every malfunction to the public?

      there are likely new AFAR modes
      and "semi-official" is a cover legend
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 9 January 2021 16: 14
    +3
    In principle, the calculation of the permissible loads / overloads is done before the modernization, retrofitting of the facility is made ...
    Something like this.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 9 January 2021 16: 31
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      In principle, the calculation of the permissible loads / overloads is done before the modernization, retrofitting of the facility is made ...
      Something like this.

      It is, but apparently the equipment of the power stabilization units did not have a performance margin ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 9 January 2021 20: 13
        0
        Before installing equipment / upgrading, everything must be checked, considered, expertise done !!!
        Everything is standard, there is documentation ...
        1. dauria
          dauria 9 January 2021 20: 37
          0
          Before installing equipment / upgrading, everything must be checked, considered, expertise done !!!


          They counted, made an "examination", put them on board - and from somewhere "sideways" a "byaka" would emerge, unexpected, unforeseen. Sometimes not right away, sometimes you can put up with this byaka for the time being. So it was, is and will be. And not only in aviation. This is what exploitation is for. To do this, make corrections, revisions "by bulletins". Directly in the units, or PARMs, at the repair factories ... You cannot imagine how many times a year "reworkers" come to a military unit and pick, re-solder and remake long-flying equipment. Naturally, they do not "drive the osebyat", but follow the normative documents approved by the general.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 9 January 2021 20: 58
            0
            Quote: dauria
            You can't imagine

            By the way, I can. We had to modify the product after installation on the site ... a dozen business trips a year, all over the country!
      2. Dread
        Dread 10 January 2021 04: 52
        -1
        Quote: SovAr238A
        It is, but apparently the equipment of the power stabilization units did not have a margin of performance ...

        SovAr238A - you first learn electrical engineeringthan to write such nonsense. There is no concept of performance, but there is a concept of power output. And judging by the news, Americans just need to modify the cooling system, the power supplies can withstand the load.
        1. Dread
          Dread 10 January 2021 05: 23
          0
          PS Power supply parameters:
          Supply voltage, load currents (nominal and maximum) - rated and maximum power of power supplies, efficiency, type and shape of output voltage, stabilization factor, etc. In Poseidon problems, it is possible to change the electrical circuit diagram of the output stages to reduce the output resistance of power supplies ...
          Productivity is no longer a professional expression.
        2. Fizik M
          Fizik M 16 January 2021 03: 30
          +1
          Quote: Dread
          Americans just need to modify the cooling system, the power supplies can withstand the load.

          YOU are talking nonsense
    2. bar
      bar 9 January 2021 19: 04
      0
      Quote: rocket757
      In principle, the calculation of the permissible loads / overloads is done before the retrofit is carried out.

      It seems that there are simply translation difficulties. The sensor signals are mentioned. Most likely, it is not a lack of power, but the problems of electromagnetic compatibility. Powerful "protection systems" stupidly jam their own "sensors".
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 9 January 2021 20: 11
        +2
        It is not excluded, BUT, because this should also be provided for in the modernization plan / project.
        To check compatibility, immunity from interference that various devices can point to each other, the same must be done in advance, and not upon detection during operation!
        "Old songs about the main thing", faced with this, when different contractors put their devices without checking, what was installed by others ... do not conduct a proper examination of the project, and then we, those who have to operate all this, suffer, perverted , protecting one from the other.
        When there is no single, proven project, during modernization, this is exactly what happens !!! Lack of architectural supervision, it's just a disaster!
        1. bar
          bar 9 January 2021 20: 18
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          BUT, this should also be provided for in the modernization plan / project.
          Check compatibility, immunity from interference that different devices can induce to each other

          So they are now busy with this check. And it is impossible to plan everything in advance, this is not a new project, but the finishing of an old one. It may contain a bunch of old "undocumented functions" that did not seem to interfere before, but now it has surfaced. They will figure it out. But they will not figure it out, we are even better. At least it will take them for a while.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 9 January 2021 21: 01
            0
            As for me, it would have been better if they did not succeed, but .... the guys are stubborn, brainy, most likely they will get it right.
  4. Ros 56
    Ros 56 9 January 2021 16: 24
    +6
    Well, what for us is that the more problems they have, the better.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 9 January 2021 17: 13
      +3
      Quote: Ros 56
      Well, what for us is that the more problems they have, the better.


      There are less problems than noise.
      will eliminate quickly.
  5. Gunther
    Gunther 9 January 2021 16: 41
    +8
    a familiar problem - I bought a washing machine here - an enemy one, from Siemens, but the wiring is old sad
    well the house is brick, only the extension burned out, it's nice that the us navy has the same problems yes
    1. Asad
      Asad 9 January 2021 17: 04
      +3
      Do you think Vyatka would not have burned out?
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 9 January 2021 17: 14
      -1
      Quote: Gunter
      a familiar problem - I bought a washing machine here - an enemy one, from Siemens, but the wiring is old sad
      well the house is brick, only the extension burned out, it's nice that the us navy has the same problems yes

      For some reason it seems to me that the US Navy has fuse boxes (diff automatic devices there, RCDs) ...
      It's a pity that you only found out about this at the cost of an extension ...
      not before.
      Sarcasm...
      1. Dread
        Dread 10 January 2021 04: 34
        -2
        Quote: SovAr238A
        For some reason it seems to me that the US Navy has fuse boxes (diff automatic devices there, RCDs) ...

        SovAr238A - as always, write nonsense nonsense. RCD is also a differential circuit breaker. You will offer your services to the Pentagon - its Poseidons, after modernization, will never take off, Ukrainian strategist. How did this strategist get into the confidence of the Russians, writing nasty things about Russian technology, without the knowledge and support of such Russophobes as Demagogue?
  6. iouris
    iouris 9 January 2021 17: 40
    -1
    Well - "named". And then they let the fog in ... And the chest just opened.
  7. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 9 January 2021 19: 49
    +2
    URAAAA! named equipment
  8. Usher
    Usher 9 January 2021 23: 50
    -3
    However, now the US Navy has to think about what actions to take so that the new radio frequency countermeasure system does not lead to exorbitant loads on the power supply system and does not affect other aircraft equipment.
    what is there to think?
  9. LVMI1980
    LVMI1980 11 January 2021 07: 50
    0
    Quote: FIN


    (base INS Hans) "old aircraft" Il-38SD Sea Dragon ("Sea Dragons").

    [center] [thumb] https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2021-01/1610250627_img_0113.jpg

    Firstly, not "sea dragon" is translated, but "sea serpent"
    Second by the principles of detection --- learn the mat part
    well, in the third, "novella / sea serpent" got on the wing five years earlier than Poseidon
    1. FIN
      FIN 11 January 2021 09: 10
      -1
      "Mother, do not cling to trifles, lead in the main thing" (c)
      Yes, I do not care how it is translated.))) I did not write the article.
      Airplane shit. The hardware offered is crap.
      About the match- What graduated, type, plaque, VUS, class, place of service ... On which wing can the search equipment "stand"? )))
      The expression "Learn materiel" is used by young chests and children on the forums ... No offense.
  10. LVMI1980
    LVMI1980 11 January 2021 12: 18
    +1
    Quote: FIN
    Airplane shit. The hardware offered is crap.

    do better ...
    1. FIN
      FIN 11 January 2021 13: 40
      -2
      I am a user.
      You can of course, as they said about the new form, "The people gave, let the people laugh"
      But this is not our way. Who could do, he crashed. (((
      By the way, no documents were found at the Vaenga disaster site. NO. And in the safes of the victims too.
  11. LVMI1980
    LVMI1980 11 January 2021 15: 23
    +1
    Quote: FIN
    I am a user.

    flew on il38? for what URM?
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    3. FIN
      FIN 11 January 2021 16: 38
      -1
      Start all over again to explain?
      Tired.
      I wrote everything many times.