Equipment causing problems on US Navy P-8A Poseidon anti-submarine aircraft

Some time ago, information appeared on the network (and Voennoye Obozreniye reported about it) about an excessive load on the power supply system of the units and nodes of the P-8A Poseidon anti-submarine patrol aircraft. It was pointed out that after the installation of new equipment, the load on the power supply system increased significantly, which at the same time led to the operation of the aircraft sensors at an increased temperature regime. In turn, this began to lead to equipment malfunctions. The pilots noted incorrect information provided by the sensors.

Initially, it was not specified what kind of avionics on the Poseidons began to lead to such problems. Now a lot is becoming clear in this regard.

It is reported that problems on anti-submarine aircraft aviation The US Navy P-8A Poseidon began to appear after the installation of additional equipment from BAE Systems. This company, commissioned by the US Navy, will begin serial deliveries of radio frequency countermeasures (RFCM) systems for the Poseidons.

It is noted that several prototypes of these systems have already been installed on the P-8A Poseidon as demonstration options. The entire range of supplies was planned to be completed by July 2021.

The radio frequency protection system has a high power and allows suppressing interference from enemy electronic warfare systems. Among other things, it can be integrated with the AN / ALE-55 "radio frequency trap". These traps were originally developed for the F / A-18E / F Super Hornet fighters.

The manufacturer said that with such a system "the level of protection of the P-8A Poseidon will increase." However, now the US Navy has to think about what actions to take so that the new radio frequency countermeasure system does not lead to exorbitant loads on the power supply system and does not affect other aircraft equipment.

Comments

[evgen1221]

They need to sit on their belly in the middle of the ocean more often to cool))) The problem will be removed at a time. I give a tooth!

[oleg-gr]

The manufacturer has increased the protection level of the P-8A Poseidon. Everything else is small. Add a diesel generator to the equipment or something similar. The problem will be solved. Reduce the load on the power supply system.

[Machito]

We would have their problems. We do not have enough anti-submarine aircraft.

[Magic archer]

And we have almost none. There are less than a dozen modernized Silts with Novella. The rest is out of date

[Bez 310]

Quote: Magic Archer

Ilov with Novella

"Novella" is outdated even before it was put into service ...

[END]

I was looking for my posts in the old MA. Found it))). 2008 year.

[Bez 310]

Quote: Bearded

We do not have enough anti-submarine aircraft.

That's not the point ...
We "stupidly lack" a new anti-submarine system,
based on various principles of submarine detection.

[Machito]

Quote: Bez 310

Quote: Bearded

We do not have enough anti-submarine aircraft.

That's not the point ...
We "stupidly lack" a new anti-submarine system,
based on various principles of submarine detection.

We don't have enough brains. (C) cat Matroskin, Prostokvashino.

[END]

MV good day.
I took off the top five in Pushkin at the ARZ. The Indians drove there, after the failure of the exercises, I did not find ANYTHING ...
March 2004.
And then they drove to the plant Kamchatka Il, under the "Novella", although they knew that the Indians were abandoning Il.
Just yesterday I read it. - "With the delivery of the first Boeing P-8I Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft, the process of withdrawal from the Indian Air Force Squadron 315 Winged Stallion in Goa / Dabolim (Hansa INS base)" vintage Il-38SD Sea Dragon aircraft has begun (" Sea dragons ").
Although the Il-38 is not used on a regular basis, the Scramble magazine database still shows four Il-38s (IN301, IN303, IN306, and IN307) as active. It is possible that some of them have already been withdrawn from service.

Fifth Il-38 (serial IN305) was last seen airborne in June 2018. In March 2020, the naval reconnaissance aircraft was exhibited as an exhibit at the Naval Aviation Museum in Goa / Dabolim. "

[END]

I wanted to ask for a long time. I forgot everything. In 2010 I threw off "From the screw" to you. There is a Tu-142 with ind. identified signs.
Not in the know what and how?

[Bez 310]

Quote: FIN

Not in the know what and how?

I don't even know what this is about ...

[END]

In the video from Mongokhto, two Tu-142 with identification. signs of India.
I thought you knew. Where did they come from.
1997 was filmed.

[Bez 310]

Quote: FIN

I thought you knew.

Do not know...

[END]

Approx.
"We will search" (c)

[Alexey Puteev]

To us in Taganrog in the 90s, 00s, Indians often flew to the aircraft plant on "their" carcasses for repairs. They walked around the market in turbans.

[END]

It is possible that the video was composed with a piece of Taganrog.
Sometimes you come across this. They mirrored it, but forgot about the photo hatch on the left.

[Asad]

Does the Pentagon report every malfunction to the public?

[OgnennyiKotik]

Practically. The people should know what their money is spent on.

[Asad]

What about secrecy?

[OgnennyiKotik]

Where secrecy is needed, it is there. But for a certain time and this is an insignificant% of the total budget. For example, there is practically no information on RQ-170/180, HAWK, NGAT, etc.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: ASAD

What about secrecy?

In this case. as in the case, for example, with the F-35 - security breaches / loss of technology, etc. no.

But there is one huge plus.

Publicity gives the following.

The Pentagon - as a customer, wants high quality services.

Almost all suppliers are joint stock companies.
Publicly traded on the exchange.
Accordingly, all such news affects the share price and, accordingly, the size of dividends, both for shareholders and the amount of bonuses for top managers of all ranks.
Are there many problems with the equipment supplied? Less bonuses for the year! Up to the deprivation of a "very tasty" position.
thus, the Pentagon is really stirring up the swamp, forcing top managers to spin like squirrels in order to maintain a high level of service.

Our military-industrial complex needs such a system !!!

[Asad]

Thanks for the answer! I wanted to ask, how do you feel about the fact that many Russians buy shares in the American military-industrial complex?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: ASAD

Thanks for the answer! I wanted to ask, how do you feel about the fact that many Russians buy shares in the American military-industrial complex?

I do not know of people who have shares in BAE, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Grumman, etc.


Apple, Intel - I know ..
but.
This is their right!
They spend their earned money. from which both they and their employer paid all the required taxes ...

If our Almaz-Antey, Kalashnikov, Severnye Verfi, Sukhoi - were worthy of investing money in shares - would invest in them too ...

[Asad]

Thanks for the detailed answer!

[bar]

Quote: SovAr238A

Our military-industrial complex needs such a system !!!

For what? So that after the completion of the next contract of the next joint-stock company, the entire reserve of knowledge and technologies disappears, as, for example, in the case of the same Saturn-5 engines, instead of which our RD-180s are being purchased? So that each new development "on a competitive basis" was started from scratch by a new "joint-stock company" such as Musk, etc.? Of course, if you pour in a large amount of dough, it can work out, especially since the striped ones print this loot themselves. But we will not succeed, our printing will not help here.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: bar

Quote: SovAr238A

Our military-industrial complex needs such a system !!!

For what? So that after the completion of the next contract of the next joint-stock company, the entire reserve of knowledge and technologies disappears, as, for example, in the case of the same Saturn-5 engines, instead of which our RD-180s are being purchased? So that each new development "on a competitive basis" was started from scratch by a new "joint-stock company" such as Musk, etc.? Of course, if you pour in a large amount of dough, it can work out, especially since the striped ones print this loot themselves. But we will not succeed, our printing will not help here.

What's wrong with real competition in space?

I live in Samara and have seen TsSKB Progress for the last 30 years.
Just a rotten ancient swamp.
I see Samara Aerospace University.
I see graduates.
I know some of them.

We have a Swamp.
irresistible and penniless.

Smart and cleverest guys came to TsSKB with fire in their eyes and a bunch of ideas.
We worked for two years - and for some reason everyone is studying English hard, because with their knowledge they are expected in the West to work.
Of course, they won't get to Musk, the cream has already been collected there.
But a bunch of others are evolving.
And Musk has given a huge boost to private rocketry around the world.
The rocketeers have become very popular.

And our young talented specialists will leave.
Forever.

As the programmers left before.
As the robotics left before.

And our space will go into complete degradation.
For only worthless people remain in these factories for a beggarly salary.
An intelligent person who knows his ambitions and his own worth - he will always either leave to raise someone else's space, or leave with tears to another segment of the economy ...
But our space will be empty anyway.

[bar]

Quote: SovAr238A

our space will be empty anyway.

It's sad. But how can joint-stock companies help this with a heavily cut state budget? And what kind of "competition" can there be for this beggarly budget if it is not enough to keep even one enterprise afloat?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: bar

Quote: SovAr238A

our space will be empty anyway.

It's sad. But how can joint-stock companies help this with a heavily cut state budget? And what kind of "competition" can there be for this beggarly budget if it is not enough to keep even one enterprise afloat?

Well, if a horse breaks his leg, he is shot ...
The point is to pull companies that do not pull.
There is a law of management.
If you want to update your staff, fire almost everyone and rebuild everyone from scratch.
For if there is at least 10% of the old line-up, they will reformat the entire new line-up into the old one.

And what if private traders are looking for customers to launch themselves?

It turns out that space is not that expensive.
And Musk employs 8 people with 20 launches a year.
And he showed how to do the result.

The Samara TsSKB Progress has as many as 16 thousand ...
And then there is Khrunichev, Energy, Flight with 60 thousand and a dozen more enterprises ...

[bar]

Quote: SovAr238A

Well, if a horse breaks his leg, he is shot ...

Is it just so harsh, without options? Have you tried to treat? Moreover, there is no other horse anyway (what did you write there about competition?).

There is a law of management.
If you want to update your staff, fire almost everyone and rebuild everyone from scratch.
For if there is at least 10% of the old line-up, they will reformat the entire new line-up into the old one.

These are the "managers" that have passed our design schools. Okay, at least in some places there was something left, they didn't let me shoot.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: bar

These are the "managers" that have passed our design schools. Okay, at least in some places there was something left, they didn't let me shoot.

Our space was pumped by our space Soviet chief designers, who were at the leadership of the design bureau.
Being directors.
At the Samara TsSKB Progress it was like this.
When at the dawn of perestroika they did not pay salaries for six months, all golden hands and inquisitive minds left there.
And they didn't "pay" not because there was no money, because then it was very profitable to spin salary funds in banks ...
And there were only "worthless" at the factories ... Those. who was not needed either in cooperatives or in the markets - they were not needed anywhere. Remained workers who lived in the suburbs on their own grazing, Remained those who were brought food from the village.
they did not have to take care of the maintenance of their family through a salary.

Then there was the second stage of the destruction of TsSKB Progress.
On the one hand, he seemed to be a "good deed", it turned out "as always" ...
It was called a respite from the army to a young specialist. "
Only now all the "young specialists" were children of TsSKB employees or adopted by acquaintance.
Then, do you know, it was either very expensive to get rid of the army, or did not know how.
And here again - a factor.
And again stupid young people came to the plant.
And there was no one to teach them!
Worthless will teach the young only to their worthless level!
not higher.
And now the "young worthless" have already grown to 45-50 years old.
and who could they teach and what?

This is how space fell apart.

And there have never been any smart managers in space.
This is a very "godfather" industry.

[Soko]

Quote: SovAr238A

Publicity gives the following

It also gives traffic to sites with all the goodies (traffic, comments, etc.)

[Fizik M]

Quote: ASAD

Does the Pentagon report every malfunction to the public?

there are likely new AFAR modes
and "semi-official" is a cover legend

[rocket757]

In principle, the calculation of the permissible loads / overloads is done before the modernization, retrofitting of the facility is made ...
Something like this.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: rocket757

In principle, the calculation of the permissible loads / overloads is done before the modernization, retrofitting of the facility is made ...
Something like this.

It is, but apparently the equipment of the power stabilization units did not have a performance margin ...

[rocket757]

Before installing equipment / upgrading, everything must be checked, considered, expertise done !!!
Everything is standard, there is documentation ...

[dauria]

Before installing equipment / upgrading, everything must be checked, considered, expertise done !!!

They counted, made an "examination", put them on board - and from somewhere "sideways" a "byaka" would emerge, unexpected, unforeseen. Sometimes not right away, sometimes you can put up with this byaka for the time being. So it was, is and will be. And not only in aviation. This is what exploitation is for. To do this, make corrections, revisions "by bulletins". Directly in the units, or PARMs, at the repair factories ... You cannot imagine how many times a year "reworkers" come to a military unit and pick, re-solder and remake long-flying equipment. Naturally, they do not "drive the osebyat", but follow the normative documents approved by the general.

[rocket757]

Quote: dauria

You can't imagine

By the way, I can. We had to modify the product after installation on the site ... a dozen business trips a year, all over the country!

[Dread]

Quote: SovAr238A

It is, but apparently the equipment of the power stabilization units did not have a margin of performance ...

SovAr238A- you first learn electrical engineeringthan to write such nonsense. There is no concept of performance, but there is a concept of power output. And judging by the news, Americans just need to modify the cooling system, the power supplies can withstand the load.

[Dread]

PS Power supply parameters:
Supply voltage, load currents (nominal and maximum) - rated and maximum power of power supplies, efficiency, type and shape of output voltage, stabilization factor, etc. In Poseidon problems, it is possible to change the electrical circuit diagram of the output stages to reduce the output resistance of power supplies ...
Productivity is no longer a professional expression.

[Fizik M]

Quote: Dread

Americans just need to modify the cooling system, the power supplies can withstand the load.

YOU are talking nonsense

[bar]

Quote: rocket757

In principle, the calculation of the permissible loads / overloads is done before the retrofit is carried out.

It seems that there are simply translation difficulties. The sensor signals are mentioned. Most likely, it is not a lack of power, but the problems of electromagnetic compatibility. Powerful "protection systems" stupidly jam their own "sensors".

[rocket757]

It is not excluded, BUT, because this should also be provided for in the modernization plan / project.
To check compatibility, immunity from interference that various devices can point to each other, the same must be done in advance, and not upon detection during operation!
"Old songs about the main thing", faced with this, when different contractors put their devices without checking, what was installed by others ... do not conduct a proper examination of the project, and then we, those who have to operate all this, suffer, perverted , protecting one from the other.
When there is no single, proven project, during modernization, this is exactly what happens !!! Lack of architectural supervision, it's just a disaster!

[bar]

Quote: rocket757

BUT, this should also be provided for in the modernization plan / project.
Check compatibility, immunity from interference that different devices can induce to each other

So they are now busy with this check. And it is impossible to plan everything in advance, this is not a new project, but the finishing of an old one. It may contain a bunch of old "undocumented functions" that did not seem to interfere before, but now it has surfaced. They will figure it out. But they will not figure it out, we are even better. At least it will take them for a while.

[rocket757]

As for me, it would have been better if they did not succeed, but .... the guys are stubborn, brainy, most likely they will get it right.

[Ros 56]

Well, what for us is that the more problems they have, the better.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Ros 56

Well, what for us is that the more problems they have, the better.

There are less problems than noise.
will eliminate quickly.

[Gunther]

a familiar problem - I bought a washing machine here - an enemy one, from Siemens, but the wiring is old
well the house is brick, only the extension burned out, it's nice that the us navy has the same problems

[Asad]

Do you think Vyatka would not have burned out?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Gunter

a familiar problem - I bought a washing machine here - an enemy one, from Siemens, but the wiring is old
well the house is brick, only the extension burned out, it's nice that the us navy has the same problems

For some reason it seems to me that the US Navy has fuse boxes (diff automatic devices there, RCDs) ...
It's a pity that you only found out about this at the cost of an extension ...
not before.
Sarcasm...

[Dread]

Quote: SovAr238A

For some reason it seems to me that the US Navy has fuse boxes (diff automatic devices there, RCDs) ...

SovAr238A - as always, write nonsense nonsense. RCD is also a differential circuit breaker. You will offer your services to the Pentagon - its Poseidons, after modernization, will never take off, Ukrainian strategist. How did this strategist get into the confidence of the Russians, writing nasty things about Russian technology, without the knowledge and support of such Russophobes as Demagogue?

[iouris]

Well - "named". And then they let the fog in ... And the chest just opened.

[seregatara1969]

URAAAA! named equipment

[Usher]

However, now the US Navy has to think about what actions to take so that the new radio frequency countermeasure system does not lead to exorbitant loads on the power supply system and does not affect other aircraft equipment.

what is there to think?

[LVMI1980]

Quote: FIN

(base INS Hans) "old aircraft" Il-38SD Sea Dragon ("Sea Dragons").

[center] [thumb] https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2021-01/1610250627_img_0113.jpg

Firstly, not "sea dragon" is translated, but "sea serpent"
Second by the principles of detection --- learn the mat part
well, in the third, "novella / sea serpent" got on the wing five years earlier than Poseidon

[END]

"Mother, do not cling to trifles, lead in the main thing" (c)
Yes, I do not care how it is translated.))) I did not write the article.
Airplane shit. The hardware offered is crap.
About the match- What graduated, type, plaque, VUS, class, place of service ... On which wing can the search equipment "stand"? )))
The expression "Learn materiel" is used by young chests and children on the forums ... No offense.

[LVMI1980]

Quote: FIN

Airplane shit. The hardware offered is crap.

do better ...

[END]

I am a user.
You can of course, as they said about the new form, "The people gave, let the people laugh"
But this is not our way. Who could do, he crashed. (((
By the way, no documents were found at the Vaenga disaster site. NO. And in the safes of the victims too.

[LVMI1980]

Quote: FIN

I am a user.

flew on il38? for what URM?

[END]

Start all over again to explain?
Tired.
I wrote everything many times.