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Russian Defense Ministry disclosed plans to re-equip the Aerospace Forces

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The press service of the Russian defense department spoke about what changes are expected by the Military Space Forces from the new year. The Russian Defense Ministry has revealed plans to re-equip the Aerospace Forces.


The agency informs about it RIA News.

It is planned for the first time to re-equip the air defense regiment with the latest anti-aircraft missile systems S-350 "Vityaz". In addition, the troops will receive two sets of S-400 "Triumph" air defense systems and 18 "Pantsir-S" complexes.

Last year, the Aerospace Forces received 24 regimental sets of S-400 and 24 Pantsir-S complexes. They entered the military units of the Sverdlovsk, Sakhalin and Samara regions. In addition, the first S-350 air defense system was sent to the ZRV training center located in the Leningrad region.

The Russian military argue that the introduction of the S-350 "Vityaz" systems into the armament of the Russian Aerospace Forces will make the fight of our air defense systems against the potential enemy's cruise missiles 2-2,5 times more effective. it weapon can strike at an altitude of 30 kilometers and at a distance of up to 120 thousand meters. The complexes are brought into a combat position from the march in just five minutes. The S-350 is equipped with medium and short-range missiles. The S-350 and S-400 complexes use medium-range missiles.
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. YOUR
    YOUR 9 January 2021 11: 33
    +19
    The main value of the S-350 is that it is much cheaper than the S-400, which means that much more of them can be made, which means it is better to cover the territory of Russia
    1. seti
      seti 9 January 2021 11: 44
      +16
      Quote: YOUR
      The main value of the S-350 is that it is much cheaper than the S-400, which means that much more of them can be made, which means it is better to cover the territory of Russia

      Their main value and their advantage is that the missiles in the launcher are 12 and not 4 as in the S-400. The S-350 can use the same missiles as the S-400. That is, with the use of the C-350, the air defense coverage area increases 2.5 - 3 times. The only thing is that the S-400 is superior to the S-350 in target detection range.
      1. Oden280
        Oden280 9 January 2021 11: 53
        +14
        Not all missiles are from S-400, but only medium-range. With a range of 200 km it can no longer.
        1. seti
          seti 9 January 2021 11: 55
          +17
          Quote: Oden280
          Not all missiles are from S-400, but only medium-range. With a range of 200 km it can no longer.

          I wrote about this at the top. This is the main advantage of the S-400 system over the S-350. They are both very good and complementary.
          1. Genry
            Genry 9 January 2021 12: 29
            -15%
            Quote: seti
            S-400 in front of S-350. They are both very good and complementary.

            The S-350 cannot supplement the S-400 in any way, because it is its lightweight (reduced in range) version. The S-350 missiles and launchers are part of the S-400.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 9 January 2021 13: 22
              +5
              Quote: Genry
              Rockets and launchers S-350 are part of the S-400

              That's right, but it allows you to concentrate an expensive and long-range 400 on targets that require long-range missiles to defeat them.
              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 10 January 2021 12: 19
                +2
                Quote: Genry
                The S-350 cannot supplement the S-400 in any way, because it is its lightweight (reduced in range) version.
                The S-350 is replacing the S-300.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 10 January 2021 12: 33
                  +1
                  Are you me or Genry? If to me, then I know.
                  1. Bad_gr
                    Bad_gr 10 January 2021 12: 43
                    +1
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    Are you me or Genry? If to me, then I know.

                    Simply, I supplemented the dispute with additional material.
                    What they didn't talk about: there are many machines in the complex, but there are no connecting cables between them and they can stand hundreds of meters apart, while constantly exchanging information. An electronic warfare machine as part of the complex was unexpected for me, but judging by the information from the film, it is necessary there.
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 10 January 2021 14: 13
                      0
                      Quote: Bad_gr
                      Simply, I supplemented the dispute with additional material.

                      There was just a quote from Genry, and sometimes it happens that they accidentally answer the wrong one.
                      Quote: Bad_gr
                      What they didn't talk about: there are many machines in the complex, but there are no connecting cables between them and they can stand hundreds of meters apart, while constantly exchanging information.

                      In our time, cables are already very inconvenient.
        2. Yeraz
          Yeraz 9 January 2021 22: 30
          +1
          Quote: Oden280
          Not all missiles from S-400, but only medium-range

          and how many launchers are in one regiment.
          I just didn't quite understand what the 24 regimental sets of the complex mean?
          1. Soko
            Soko 9 January 2021 23: 29
            +19
            This is just a mistake. In 2020, 4 regimental sets. The last of the transferred in 2020 will appear on the database in the Samara region at the beginning of 2021
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 10 January 2021 01: 36
              0
              Quote: Soko
              The last of the transferred in 2020 will appear on the database in the Samara region at the beginning of 2021

              and how many Shells are in one regiment ??
              1. YOUR
                YOUR 10 January 2021 14: 34
                0
                Until each S-400 is covered by 1 Carapace
        3. YOUR
          YOUR 10 January 2021 14: 36
          0
          Why does this air defense system need SAM with such a range?
      2. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 9 January 2021 11: 54
        +12
        Probably the most valuable thing is not what is behind the disclosed plans, but what remains a secret. what
      3. Bongo
        Bongo 9 January 2021 12: 00
        +20
        Quote: seti
        The S-350 can use the same missiles as the S-400.

        In theory, but in practice, this is not implemented. No. As part of the S-350, the 9M96E2 missiles are used, the S-400 combatant missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces carry a database with larger and heavier 40N6E and 48N6DM missiles. The advantage of the S-400 is a much longer firing range at aerodynamic targets at medium and high altitudes and anti-missile capabilities. The S-350 air defense system is cheaper and has a higher fire performance.
        1. Genry
          Genry 9 January 2021 12: 41
          -4
          Quote: Bongo
          As part of the S-350, the 9M96E2 missiles are used, the S-400 combatant missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces carry a database with larger and heavier 40N6E and 48N6DM missiles.

          SAM 9M96E2 are part of the S-400. The 9M100 also solves the problem of self-defense instead of Armor ..
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 9 January 2021 12: 45
            +12
            Quote: Genry
            SAM 9M96E2 are part of the S-400. The 9M100 also solves the problem of self-defense instead of Armor.

            What can I say ... apparently you know better than me what is "included" and what is not "included". request
            But after such a statement, of course it will not be difficult for you to find a photo of the SPU from the drill zrdn S-400 VKS RF with the missiles you specified.
            1. Genry
              Genry 9 January 2021 13: 05
              -7
              Quote: Bongo
              But after such a statement, of course, it will not be difficult for you to find a photo of the SPU from the S-400 combat missile defense system of the Russian Aerospace Forces with the missiles you specified.

              These are the same as in the C-350. Look at the Turks.
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 9 January 2021 13: 22
                +10
                Quote: Genry
                These are the same as in the C-350. Look at the Turks.

                Correctly, do I understand that you are not able to confirm your unfounded statement with anything? wink
            2. alexmach
              alexmach 9 January 2021 13: 10
              +1
              There is a photograph of a Turkish complex with small TPKs under 9M96E2. But then the use of a huge machine for transporting such missiles already seems redundant. On the Vityaz's native chassis, they look much more harmonious. Whether they are in the Russian troops is not clear, but given that the missile itself was brought relatively recently, they were vryat in large quantities.
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 9 January 2021 13: 23
                +9
                Quote: alexmach
                It is not clear whether they are in the Russian troops, but given that the missile itself was brought relatively recently, they were vryatli in large quantities.

                In the combatant divisions of the S-400 of the Russian Aerospace Forces, they are definitely not. No.
                1. Genry
                  Genry 9 January 2021 13: 29
                  -6
                  Quote: Bongo
                  In the combatant divisions of the S-400 of the Russian Aerospace Forces, they are definitely not.

                  Until the missiles from the S-300 are burned out, they will not be ...
                  1. Bongo
                    Bongo 9 January 2021 13: 57
                    +6
                    Quote: Genry
                    Until the missiles from the S-300 are burned out, they will not be ...

                    Do I understand correctly, you want to say that 5V55R missiles are used in the S-400?
          2. Tusv
            Tusv 9 January 2021 12: 51
            +3
            Quote: Genry
            The 9M100 also solves the problem of self-defense instead of Armor ..

            Nude nude. I am such a cool radar, I see that they are attacking me with HARMs and with two hands I destroy them with Verbs, and the division at this time without target designation. So leave the Shells. They complement A2 / AD very coolly (At Two in HELL)
            1. Genry
              Genry 9 January 2021 13: 08
              -2
              Quote: Tusv
              I am attacked with HARMs and with two hands I destroy with Verbami, and the division at this time without target designation.

              What does the Verba have to do with it?
              And the 9M100 requires target designation only at the start - then everything itself.
              1. Tusv
                Tusv 9 January 2021 13: 13
                +2
                Quote: Genry
                What does the Verba have to do with it?

                And where does the Guards Air Defense Divisions not covered by Armor? Do you want our death?
                1. Genry
                  Genry 9 January 2021 13: 19
                  +1
                  The 9M100 does not overload the air defense system through the channel (at least 100 missiles). The carapace, during the flight of the missiles (4 pieces ??), can do nothing else.
                  1. Tusv
                    Tusv 9 January 2021 13: 29
                    +2
                    And the carrier's anti-missile maneuver? Just imagine that the Division has fired and it takes time to reload. And the main armament must be given a present to dear guests.
                    1. Genry
                      Genry 9 January 2021 13: 40
                      -2
                      Quote: Tusv
                      And the carrier's anti-missile maneuver?

                      An empty carrier, with a small chance of surviving, can fly home.
                      Quote: Tusv
                      And the main armament must be given a present to dear guests.

                      The 9M96 missiles will serve as the main weapon.
                      9M100 missiles are only for self-defense and who will fall under the hot hand (close-low-flying).
                      1. Tusv
                        Tusv 9 January 2021 13: 49
                        0
                        Quote: Genry
                        An empty carrier, with a small chance of surviving, can fly home.

                        Well. We cut through the true targets of the air defense. An empty medium is in pursuit, so as not to return)))
                2. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 9 January 2021 22: 32
                  0
                  Quote: Tusv
                  And where does the Guards Air Defense Divisions not covered by Armor?

                  Vladimir, can you explain what is meant in the 24 regimental sets of the complex. 24 regiments were purchased? How much is it in a piece?
            2. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 9 January 2021 13: 11
              +2
              Does Pantsyr have any sense in Cannons?
              1. bayard
                bayard 9 January 2021 16: 26
                -2
                It is better to have than not to have, but they do not have very good combat effectiveness in terms of CD. The larger the better. And so, this is the heritage of "Tunguska".
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 9 January 2021 18: 53
                  0
                  Better to have than not to have

                  With combat efficiency not very good?
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 9 January 2021 22: 05
                    0
                    They are quite effective against helicopters and low-flying aircraft. This is enough to leave the weapons in the complex.
                    Modern CD and some drones are too small for guaranteed destruction with such spaced barrels. At such a distance.
                    Therefore, for a range of up to 10 km. "nails" are introduced into the armament.
                    1. alexmach
                      alexmach 9 January 2021 22: 18
                      0
                      Quite effective for helicopters and low-flying aircraft

                      Modern attack helicopters with modern AAS do not enter the zone of destruction of aircraft cannons. There are practically no attack aircraft left in the armies of the "partners", and those that remain are also trying to work with guided weapons from a great height and range. Well, the last thing is a complex of object and not military air defense, what does it have to do with helicopters?

                      On the other hand, they already wrote that the complex is heavy and dimensional. There maybe it makes sense to reduce the size due to the least effective part?
                      1. bayard
                        bayard 10 January 2021 15: 50
                        0
                        Quote: alexmach
                        On the other hand, they already wrote that the complex is heavy and dimensional. There maybe it makes sense to reduce the size due to the least effective part?

                        It would be useful to make a weaponless modification of the "Pantsir", it would make this air defense system cheaper and easier.
                        But you shouldn't give up the classic configuration either, at least for export. For there it is used not only as an object, but quite to itself, as a front. And in our conditions, if it happens at the borders, any object air defense system in the border zone easily and naturally becomes a front-line.

                        ... Although, when adopted for service, the troops wanted to receive not "Shell", but "Thor". but "Thor" was considered too expensive for air defense and was limited to deliveries to military air defense only.
                        But the "Pantsir" was originally created specifically for the military air defense, as a further development of the "Tunguska", but the Union collapsed, there were no orders from the Ministry of Defense, but ... the Emirates appeared, which liked the air defense system, but asked to transfer it from a tank chassis to an automobile - so handy to them in the desert. It was for them that the first "Pantsir" appeared, and then, in the same guise, it was adopted by the RF Armed Forces. But since he was no longer suitable for military air defense, his service was assigned to cover heavy air defense systems and in object air defense. So his guns are hereditary.
                      2. alexmach
                        alexmach 10 January 2021 16: 15
                        0
                        Maybe on a tank chassis and there would be no problems with swinging when firing, or with dimensions. And most importantly, the chassis of these obsolete in stock is a bunch ...
                        On the whole, it looks like the military air defense is lagging far behind, especially in the near zone.
                      3. bayard
                        bayard 10 January 2021 18: 29
                        0
                        Quote: alexmach
                        On the whole, it looks like the military air defense is lagging far behind, especially in the near zone.

                        The "Thor", which is in service with the Air Defense Forces, is much more effective than the "Shell", but its missiles are more expensive. Plus a bunch of "Tungusoks" that were undergoing modernization. In the near zone, the Ground Forces have something to fight with. And soon 57 mm. guns with controlled blasting on different chassis ... and even the "Terminator".
                      4. alexmach
                        alexmach 10 January 2021 19: 45
                        0
                        Trov and Tunguzok is not much at all, besides about modernization - I somehow do not remember the messages about the modernization of Tunguzok. And without modernization, they are rapidly becoming obsolete ..
                      5. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 11 January 2021 15: 51
                        +1
                        By 2027, 300 Tor M2 complexes should be delivered
                      6. alexmach
                        alexmach 11 January 2021 17: 47
                        0
                        So there will be a replacement for "Osam". The plan is excellent in my opinion.
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 9 January 2021 13: 05
    +1
    Well, I saw already a month ago a photo of the S-400 combat air defense missile launcher with a bunch of 96 missiles
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 9 January 2021 13: 25
      +4
      Quote: Cyril G ...
      Well, I saw already a month ago a photo of the S-400 combat air defense missile launcher with a bunch of 96 missiles

      A carrier database on the territory of the Russian Federation?
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 9 January 2021 13: 35
        +1
        It was said that way. However, if you are in doubt, then perhaps you really need to look for the source. Memory is not a reliable thing, but it was definitely not about the Turks. And on the 96 missiles, my explanation is a lot of them, and the fleet unexpectedly climbed into the first place with a single salvo of 152 9M96 missiles
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 9 January 2021 13: 54
          +4
          Quote: Cyril G ...
          It was said that way.

          I'm afraid you are mistaken ... No.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 9 January 2021 14: 29
            +2

            I found it - they talk about the S-400 SPU in Ashuluk in the fall of 2019
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 9 January 2021 15: 10
              +1
              Quote: Cyril G ...
              I found it - they talk about the S-400 SPU in Ashuluk in the fall of 2019

              Is this a SPU from the drill squadron?
  • Alexander Galaktionov
    Alexander Galaktionov 10 January 2021 07: 38
    0
    Bongo hi Such a question, they have already adopted a long-range missile there, with a range of something 390 km, and does it have an AGSN like the 9M96E2?
  • sir.jonn
    sir.jonn 9 January 2021 13: 13
    0
    Quote: seti
    Their main value and their advantage is that the missiles in the launcher are 12 and not 4 as in the S-400

    Three containers with 9M96E fit well into the place of 1 container s-300,400
  • venik
    venik 9 January 2021 15: 53
    +6
    Quote: seti
    The only thing is that the S-400 is superior to the S-350 in target detection range.

    ========
    In defense of the S-350 - they ("Knights") can use the data received from the S-400 radar ("Triumph")! request
    PS "Vityaz" is NOT REPLACEABLE for "Triumph"! It is reasonable and very effective (while much CHEAPER - ADDITION!
  • mvg
    mvg 9 January 2021 17: 38
    +1
    4x9M96 = 16 pieces. We are watching the S-400 Turkey. 48N6 S-350 will not start
  • Tusv
    Tusv 9 January 2021 11: 56
    +7
    Quote: YOUR
    The main value of the S-350 is that it is much cheaper than the S-400.

    The main value of Vityaz is that the middle complex is still far-reaching by NATO standards. And what about cheaper is in the standard delivery. On the DB, this is a doubled ammunition load and a periphery similar to the S-400
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 9 January 2021 12: 01
    +10
    Very worthy. One can only envy the good.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 9 January 2021 12: 39
      +3
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Very worthy. One can only envy the good.

      What to envy then? The enemy is not the Arab League, but one time steeper. Yes, and the development of the KM-SAM has been lost. Happy New Year hi
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 9 January 2021 12: 52
        +3
        You are such evil. By the way, I put a plus sign
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 9 January 2021 13: 14
          +4
          Quote: Tusv
          You are such evil. By the way, I put a plus sign

          You know, the Arabs are also quite able to fight. And the plus sign, so at once 2. Only you then why are they?
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 9 January 2021 13: 20
            0
            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            And the plus sign, so at once 2. Only you then why are they?

            And to be)). A real Paramilitary runs very fast and can move with his entire division without breaking the electrical circuit
  • alexmach
    alexmach 9 January 2021 12: 34
    +3
    The main value of the S-350 is that it is much cheaper than the S-400.

    Cheaper? This is with missiles equipped with exclusively active seeker and in larger quantities? Oh well
    1. YOUR
      YOUR 9 January 2021 12: 56
      +2
      I probably do not know, can you tell me that there is nothing else on the S-350 air defense system except for missiles?
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 9 January 2021 13: 11
        +2
        And to save on means of detection is generally a very strange idea in our time.
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 9 January 2021 12: 58
      +1
      Quote: alexmach
      This is with missiles equipped with exclusively active seeker and in larger quantities? Oh well

      Do not forget that in the Vityaz standard there is no dedicated tracking radar. And who is on the border without two tracking stations on the database and on the border? Definitely not the Semi-Military Organization of the Russian Federation
      1. Toucan
        Toucan 9 January 2021 13: 38
        +3
        Quote: Tusv
        Do not forget that in the Vityaz standard there is no dedicated tracking radar. And who is on the border without two tracking stations on the database and on the border? Definitely not the Semi-Military Organization of the Russian Federation

        In all likelihood, the detection of air targets and the issuance of target designation will be carried out with the help of the radar equipment of the regimental level. We do not know what the structure of the S-350 regiment will be. Perhaps in the future, the S-350 division will include its own SOC.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 9 January 2021 13: 44
          0
          Quote: Tucan
          Perhaps in the future, the S-350 division will include its own SOC.

          An air defense division is a stand-alone unit under the charter. Everything's there. From the toilet to the Russian bath. Security would be from the Marines and Airborne and We are not defeated
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 9 January 2021 14: 20
            +9
            Quote: Tusv
            An air defense division is a stand-alone unit under the charter.

            Excuse me, in which "charter" does it say about the "air defense division"? what
            I know an anti-aircraft missile division - a unit capable of performing a combat mission on its own for a short time.
            Concerning:
            Quote: Tucan
            In all likelihood, the detection of air targets and the issuance of target designation will occur with the help of the regimental level radar equipment.

            So the mobile command post of the S-300PS system in the process of combat work received target designation from the regimental command post by telecode based on information from the 19Zh6 and 5N64S radars.
            It seems to me that the S-350 air defense missile system can be incorporated into the existing C-400 air defense missile systems. The PBU 55K6 will be able to control their actions without any problems, based on information from the 92N6E radar, the regimental level. However, there is the option of creating separate S-350 regiments, but then they will have to attach their own combat mode radars.
  • Intruder
    Intruder 10 January 2021 04: 34
    0
    The main value of the S-350 is that it is much cheaper than the S-400.
    transcripts :))) Toda can switch to stones, in the field of air defense and missile defense, the maximum value of all options, possible !? :) And you can actually do (collect) more, and cover the territory of Russia - with a "stone dome" to start - Turks and friends from the Promised Land ???
  • APASUS
    APASUS 9 January 2021 11: 36
    +7
    Everything suggests that the United States will not calm down and still wants to dominate, the world is getting closer to war. Military planning directly points to this
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 9 January 2021 11: 55
      +8
      Quote: APASUS
      Everything indicates that the United States will not calm down and still wants to dominate

      The dominance of the United States in the world became apparent after WWII. With the collapse of the USSR, this dominance increased ONLY due to the disappearance of obstacles to the movement of American capital throughout Europe. Natural desire, nurtured in inflamed brains, still haunts. Only in the United States are they not so stupid as to start dividing the world in the old "old-fashioned" (divide and conquer) way frenziedly, without looking back at strong economic centers that have achieved success in military construction. Another thing is the economic stranglehold, financial "carrots and sticks". It's real.
      Quote: APASUS
      the world is getting closer to war. Military planning points directly to this

      Military planning can only indicate the degree of seriousness of the approach to one's own defense and the strength of the desire to "feed someone else's army." A thin world is better than a thermonuclear apocalypse. And saber rattling, blows with an ax (Tomahawks) on the heads of slow and weak economically vassals and opponents is a preventive measure worthy of weakening ex-leaders.
      1. Dmitry Makarov
        Dmitry Makarov 9 January 2021 12: 30
        -3
        Biden has only blacks, sexual minorities, and illegal migrants on his balance sheet, with the help of this rabble he was going to confront the Great and Powerful Russia and the dynamically developing China?
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 9 January 2021 13: 49
          0
          Quote: Dmitry Makarov
          with the help of this rabble he was going to confront the Great and Mighty Russia and the dynamically developing China?

          Do you really assess the capabilities of Russia, the United States and China, or have they told you so? I'm not going to overpersuade you and compare the "powerlessness" of the United States with the power of Russia or China ... Just, let's turn to the data. In our case, the population.
          In 1991 the population of the USSR was: 294 people (RSFSR - 008 people).
          In 1991, the US population was: 252.
          In 2020, the population of the Russian Federation was: 146 people.
          In 2020, the US population was: 335.
          I think they have a lot to choose from. And what about the number of the titular nation in Russia?
          Here is the information about the change in the number of Russians in the Russian Federation from 1991 to 2020.
          In 1991, the number of Russians (81,5%) of the total population of the RSFSR (148) was 543.
          In 2020, the number of Russians (80,2%) of the total number of residents of the Russian Federation (146)
          amounted to - 118 132 614 people.
          But, Crimea became part of the Russian Federation in 2015, where the population for 2020 is 2 people, of which 361 are Russians (760%).
          Thus, the decline of the titular nation in the Russian Federation (excluding Crimea) over 19 years was -
          4 351 711 people ...
          Data drawn from census sources and population growth projections. Can you compare ...
          hi
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 9 January 2021 14: 04
            -3
            Quote: ROSS 42
            In our case, the population.

            The natural loss of the air defense division in 1988 was 70%, and the Americans did not attack Us. Why? Are the statistics lying?
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 9 January 2021 14: 11
              +4
              Quote: Tusv
              and the Americans did not attack Us. Why? Are the statistics lying?

              Do you want my opinion or will you try to clarify this issue from the late Ronald Reagan? True, there is still a GMR ...
              I'll tell you as I said before. The United States will not just attack any power that has nuclear weapons. The RF has a nuclear triad, no matter how it looks ...
            2. Tusv
              Tusv 9 January 2021 19: 31
              0
              Woodpeckers who are minus Maybe you have a big DB on the Border? Personally, I saw off the amers with my arrows with a simple nod
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 9 January 2021 11: 47
    +2
    Instead of 2 30 mm cannons on the "Pantsir" one 57-mm gun with programmable ammunition from "Derivation" should be installed.

    This would make the fight against UAVs more effective, getting into a small UAV from 30-mm cannons is difficult at a great distance due to the separation of shells, and spending a rocket is expensive, but a 57-mm projectile detonated at the required range in front of the UAV is the very thing.
    1. YOUR
      YOUR 9 January 2021 12: 23
      +1
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Instead of 2 30 mm cannons, the "Pantsir" should have one 57-mm gun with programmable ammunition from "Derivation"

      What's the point of this?
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 9 January 2021 12: 28
        +1
        In the same place it seems to be written in Russian.

        This would make the fight against UAVs more effective, getting into a small UAV from 30-mm cannons is difficult at a great distance due to the dispersion of shells, and it is expensive to spend a rocket, but a 57-mm projectile detonated at the required range in front of the UAV is the very thing.
        1. YOUR
          YOUR 9 January 2021 12: 57
          +1
          Is the rate of fire of the 57 mm cannon the same?
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 9 January 2021 13: 16
            -1
            No, she doesn't need it, where a 30-mm cannon fires a burst of several dozen shells, a 57-mm one will send one with a programmable fuse in range and it will blow up right next to the UAV, damaging it with shrapnel.

            The 57 mm cannon is several times more effective than the 2 30 mm assault rifles.

            In addition, many 30-mm shells cannot be placed on the Shell, this is not a ship, often you cannot shoot from them.
      2. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 9 January 2021 13: 14
        0
        None. Flies separately, cutlets should be separately .. (p.) In my opinion, it makes sense to have 3 purely rocket Panyr ala Arctic and 3 AU on a single chassis as part of a division
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 11 January 2021 15: 54
          0
          In modern realities with mini kamikaze drones and swarms of UAVs, it is better to have 6 Armor for one C 400 division
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 9 January 2021 12: 44
      0
      Instead of 2 30 mm cannons on the "Pantsir" one 57-mm gun with programmable ammunition from "Derivation" should be installed.

      It is necessary to get rid of the guns in general and separately mate the artillery mount with it, if necessary.
    3. Scharnhorst
      Scharnhorst 9 January 2021 17: 11
      +1
      I want the same, but I cannot support it. The 30-mm caliber was adopted for service, provided with ammunition and is universal for the army, aviation and navy, which cannot be said about the 57-mm. In terms of rate of fire, salvo weight per unit of time and reaction time, it seems to me that 30 is preferable to 57, especially for small UAVs (missiles cope with large ones). And programmable ammunition can and should be created in a 30-mm caliber. Well, a full-fledged anti-aircraft (aka anti-tank) 57 mm gun will require a separate transport unit, you get something like a "Skyguard-Sparrow". “The carapace is already on a four-axle chassis with insufficient lateral stability and maximum height in overall dimensions. Alternatively, on a lower and wider semitrailer ... But this will be a completely different product.
  • Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst 9 January 2021 11: 48
    +10
    Article for Zarnitsa participants! Where is the rearmament of RTV, IA, electronic warfare, space components ...
    The Russian military argue that the introduction of the S-350 "Vityaz" systems into the armament of the Russian Aerospace Forces will make the fight of our air defense systems against the potential enemy's cruise missiles 2-2,5 times more effective. This weapon can strike at an altitude of 30 kilometers and at a distance of up to 120 thousand meters.

    I hope this proposal was not invented by the air defense officers! Moderators are driving the VO rating under the skirting board!
    1. Andy
      Andy 9 January 2021 12: 20
      +4
      in one sentence and measured in kilometers and meters. "and in parrots I am much longer" (m / f 38 parrots)
    2. YOUR
      YOUR 9 January 2021 13: 23
      +2
      This is true. Where did they get that efficiency will increase if the missiles are the same and how to connect the CD and an altitude of 30 km at which only the warheads of ICBMs can be. Somehow they constantly forget that the target detection range depends on its flight altitude. KR flying at an altitude of 15 meters, God forbid, to detect, not to fire, but to detect at a distance of 25 - 30 km. This is ideal.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 9 January 2021 14: 15
        -2
        Quote: YOUR
        Where did they get that the efficiency will increase if the missiles are the same and how to connect the CD

        Well damn it, namesake. KR are more inconspicuous, the main air defense aviation in the Tver region. The speed of interceptor missiles has increased significantly. The same SM - 3 is hypersound
        1. YOUR
          YOUR 10 January 2021 14: 30
          0
          The conversation is not about the SM-3 but about the S-350 air defense system. The material says that with the receipt of this air defense system, the effectiveness of the fight against CD will increase by 2 - 2.5 times. Why such a conclusion, if the S-350 uses the same missiles as the S-300 and S-400
      2. Dart2027
        Dart2027 9 January 2021 14: 59
        -1
        Quote: YOUR
        Where did they get that efficiency will increase if the missiles are the same

        The number of missiles ready to conduct the database is increasing.
        1. YOUR
          YOUR 10 January 2021 14: 31
          0
          So what? As there was no more than 2 missiles aiming at one target, it remained
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 10 January 2021 15: 31
            -1
            Quote: YOUR
            no more than 2 missiles per target

            The number of missiles increases - the number of targets that can be hit increases.
            1. YOUR
              YOUR 11 January 2021 03: 16
              0
              Everything was as it was on the S-300, on the S-400 there were still 2 missiles for 6 targets at the same time, in the 90-degree sector. It seems like the affected area was increased to 120 degrees. But this is on the S-400, where the RPN is much more powerful.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 11 January 2021 19: 45
                -1
                Quote: YOUR
                Everything was as it was on the S-300, on the S-400 it remained

                And what does the S-400 have to do with it? It has its own tasks at its own range, and the S-350 replaces the medium-range air defense system of the S-300, but each of its vehicles carries not 4, but 12 launchers.
                1. YOUR
                  YOUR 12 January 2021 06: 19
                  -1
                  You should understand the terminology to begin with and understand the composition of the air defense system and the purpose of its individual elements
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 12 January 2021 19: 37
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                    Quote: YOUR
                    You would

                    understand what an air defense system is and what they are.
                    1. YOUR
                      YOUR 13 January 2021 08: 31
                      -1
                      If you are so smart, tell me how the air defense system differs from the air defense system and how they differ from the air defense system.
                      We are waiting for revelations.
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 13 January 2021 19: 47
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                        Quote: YOUR
                        If you are so smart tell

                        The S-400 is a long-range air defense system, that is, over 200 km. Of course, it can work at a closer distance, but this is already irrational.
                        The S-350 is medium-range air defense, that is, from 50 to 200 km. Of course, it can work at a closer distance, but this is already irrational.
                        Pantsir-C1 is short-range air defense, that is, up to 15 km.
                        Together, they form an echeloned defense, that is, a defense consisting of several levels that consistently repel an enemy attack.
                        Previously, instead of the S-350, there was the S-300, which had smaller missiles in a salvo and was itself simpler.
                        Now you understand?
                      2. YOUR
                        YOUR 14 January 2021 03: 42
                        -1
                        Ie such elementary things. how air defense systems differ from air defense systems and how they differ from zrln you do not know
                      3. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 14 January 2021 20: 02
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                        As far as I understand, there is essentially nothing to say?
                        Quote: YOUR
                        The mistake was made not by zrln, but by zrdn

                        Anti-aircraft missile division
                        Quote: YOUR
                        ZRS

                        Anti-aircraft missile system
                        Quote: YOUR
                        SAM

                        Anti-aircraft missile system
                      4. YOUR
                        YOUR 15 January 2021 02: 55
                        -1
                        About zrdn they did not write as they did not write how they differ from each other
                      5. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 15 January 2021 19: 01
                        0
                        Quote: YOUR
                        About zrdn not written

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Anti-aircraft missile division

                        Quote: YOUR
                        how do they differ from each other

                        Well, write. And at the same time, explain what it is connected with
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        The S-400 is a long-range air defense system, that is, over 200 km. Of course, it can work at a closer distance, but this is already irrational.
                        The S-350 is medium-range air defense, that is, from 50 to 200 km. Of course, it can work at a closer distance, but this is already irrational.
                        Pantsir-C1 is short-range air defense, that is, up to 15 km.
                        Together, they form an echeloned defense, that is, a defense consisting of several levels that consistently repel an enemy attack.
                        Previously, instead of the S-350, there was the S-300, which had smaller missiles in a salvo and was itself simpler.
                2. YOUR
                  YOUR 14 January 2021 07: 46
                  -1
                  The mistake was made not by zrln, but by zrdn
                3. YOUR
                  YOUR 14 January 2021 07: 49
                  -1
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Previously, instead of the S-350, there was the S-300, which had smaller missiles in a salvo and was itself simpler.

                  Excuse me, but I can't walk past. Salvo firing anti-aircraft guided missiles. This is something new.
                  I understand that we are talking about the number of missiles that the complex can direct to the target? Since it was so and there are two missiles left for one target
                4. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 14 January 2021 19: 59
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                  Quote: YOUR
                  I understand that we are talking about the number of missiles that the complex can direct to the target?

                  The S-400 and S-350 complexes are equipped with missiles with which it is not necessary to aim at the target all the time, since they are equipped with a homing system - the so-called "fire and forget" principle. That is, by firing a rocket at one target, you can aim at the next.
                  The main novelty of "Vityaz" is new missiles. Its ammunition load includes several types of ammunition, including the 9M96E2 with active homing heads. After launch, they independently detect the target and aim at it without the help of radar. This makes it possible to fire at a greater number of objects at the same time, as well as destroy cruise missiles outside of radio visibility.
                  (https://iz.ru/1035417/anton-lavrov-roman-kretcul-bogdan-stepovoi/zastava-vitiazei-kompleksy-s-350-ukrepiat-oboronu-iuga-strany)

                  Plus, now they are trying to combine all guidance systems into one network, so that the radars of the same S-400 can transmit information to the S-350.
                  Quote: YOUR
                  Salvo firing anti-aircraft guided missiles.

                  Not a very good expression - I mean the number of missiles that are ready to fire without reloading the complex.
                5. YOUR
                  YOUR 15 January 2021 02: 54
                  -1
                  Yes tree sticks. Why are you retelling to me what is written in Wikipedia.
                  I asked you a specific question, what is an air defense system, what is an air defense system, what is an air defense system and how do they differ from each other?
                6. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 15 January 2021 19: 03
                  0
                  Quote: YOUR
                  I asked you a specific question, what is an air defense system, what is an air defense system, what is an air defense system and how

                  I gave you a specific answer to the question of why the S-350 can increase the effectiveness of air defense several times.
                7. YOUR
                  YOUR 16 January 2021 07: 13
                  -1
                  I asked you about something else. The question is elementary, but it allows you to understand your competence in this matter. Sorry, but it's zero. Do not be offended, but what is air defense, what characteristics of various complexes you have very, very little idea.
                  Here you need to read a short lecture, I'll try to be shorter.
                  SAM is an Anti-Aircraft Missile System. includes a command post and several air defense systems.
                  SAM - Anti-aircraft missile system. Of course, you can write smartly that this is a combination of technical and combat systems ...
                  zrdn is a unit for which armament is air defense system + people.
                  This is what I wanted to hear from you.
                  What is the S-400 air defense system most likely you have no idea. In its main, so to speak, basic configuration, it is a command post with reconnaissance equipment and 6 air defense systems, which can be located at a distance of up to 150 km from the command post.
                  Read here here for a better understanding of the pictures are given
                  https://topwar.ru/169425-zenitnaja-raketnaja-sistemy-s-400-i-zenitnyj-raketnyj-kompleks-s-350-s-pricelom-v-buduschee.html
                  Those. when they say the air defense system is the armament of the regiment, when they say the air defense system is one complex.
                  The boundaries of the ZP (affected area) SAM
                  range from 2 to 400 km
                  Along the front (in azimuth) - 120 degrees. Not circular, namely 120 degrees. Those. SAM can simultaneously fire up to 10 targets within these limits.
                  And another unpleasant thing. We do not have a single S-400 regiment that would be armed with the 6th air defense system, and when they write that another regimental set has been put into service, well, let's say they are cunning, in fact it turns out that one of the existing regiments was equipped with another air defense system. So, for example, near Voronezh there was a regiment of 3 divisional composition, it became 4 divisional composition. In the past year, 24 sets were delivered, which means that 2 air defense systems were delivered to the existing shelves. GRAU index 98Ж6Е
                  I understand that I wrote it is not very clear inconsistently, but I can answer the questions.
                8. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 16 January 2021 08: 31
                  0
                  Quote: YOUR
                  SAM is an Anti-Aircraft Missile System. includes a command post and several air defense systems.
                  SAM - Anti-aircraft missile system. Of course, you can write smartly that this is a combination of technical and combat systems ...
                  zrdn is a unit for which armament is air defense system + people.
                  This is what I wanted to hear from you.

                  It is very interesting, but how does this relate to the fact that the S-350 is more effective than the S-300, and the replacement of a division of these with new air defense systems increases the effectiveness of defense at times? There was an air defense system with some air defense systems, but it became with others. We are talking about the technical re-equipment of the troops, and not about division into structural units.
                  Any troops are divided into various structural units, it can be air defense systems and air defense systems or regiments, battalions and divisions, and what? How does this affect the characteristics of their weapons and equipment?
                9. YOUR
                  YOUR 16 January 2021 08: 47
                  -1
                  Who told you that the S-350 is more effective?
                  And so just in case. Currently, the S-300 is the main air defense system in our VKS. And according to its characteristics, the S-300 in the latest modifications is in no way inferior to the S-400
                10. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 16 January 2021 09: 33
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                  Quote: YOUR
                  Currently, the S-300 is the main air defense system in our VKS.

                  Uh-uh ... So the S-350 was recently put into service, and deliveries to the troops are just beginning, this is a well-known fact.
                  Quote: YOUR
                  in terms of its characteristics, the S-300 in the latest modifications is in no way inferior to the S-400

                  Quote: Dart2027
                  The S-400 is a long-range air defense system, that is, over 200 km.

                  The S-300 is medium-range air defense, that is, up to 200 km.
                  Well, the question is, why then did the S-400 even be made?
                11. YOUR
                  YOUR 16 January 2021 11: 26
                  -1
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Well, the question is, why then did the S-400 even be made?

                  The S-400 is a modification of the S-300PM3. Then someone smart decided to make it a separate air defense system.
                  By and large, they are not particularly different, increased noise immunity, added algorithms for the guidance of new missiles. That's all. On the old S-300, improvements are carried out and almost the same S-400 is obtained.
                  Long range missiles, and what is it for? Indeed, in order to shoot down a target at a distance of 200 km, it must be at an altitude of 11 meters. Below it will not see the RPN. Such missiles are designed to destroy jammers, AWACS and control aircraft. The goals are very important but not so frequent guests. In addition, the use of such missiles for other targets is excessive. To spend a missile which can shoot down the head of a ballistic missile, for example, on a helicopter is too fat.
                  The bulk of aerodynamic targets, read CR, UAVs, aircraft and helicopters, will not rise above 5000 m, rather they will fly lower. This is how the S-350 appeared.
                  According to performance characteristics. Our sin is that when talking about the air defense system, they lead the performance characteristics of the entire air defense system.
                12. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 16 January 2021 11: 38
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                  Quote: YOUR
                  The S-400 is a modification of the S-300PM3. Then someone smart decided to make it a separate air defense system.

                  And the S-300 is a modification of the S-200. And the S-200 is a modification of the S-125.
                  Quote: YOUR
                  Indeed, in order to shoot down a target at a distance of 200 km, it must be at an altitude of 11 meters. Below it will not see the RPN.

                  About the fact that in addition to this there are other means of guidance, we are not aware of?
                13. YOUR
                  YOUR 16 January 2021 11: 56
                  -1
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  And the S-300 is a modification of the S-200. And the S-200 is a modification of the S-125.

                  Why be joking? Read about these air defense systems. Try to type S-300PM3 in a search engine.
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  About the fact that in addition to this there are other means of guidance, we are not aware of?

                  And what are they? Now you will start telling me a fairy tale on over-the-horizon radars?
                14. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 16 January 2021 12: 54
                  0
                  Quote: YOUR
                  Why be joking?

                  Make some jokes? Why would you? Almost all modern technology is a development of what was before. Any designer will not create everything from scratch, but will make a new product based on existing ones, taking into account operating experience, proven technical solutions, etc. The S-500 is also the development of the S-line ... This is called the engineering school. You haven't heard of that.
                  Quote: YOUR
                  Now you will start telling me a fairy tale on over-the-horizon radars?

                  Have you personally checked their work? Do we forget about missiles with active radar homing? Have you heard about AWACS planes?
                15. YOUR
                  YOUR 16 January 2021 13: 32
                  -1
                  Well, how could I not. I heard. Aircraft AWACS and this is their correct name, we have as many as 9 pieces. 5 A-50 and 4 A-50U. Designed for detecting and tracking air targets and surface ships, alerting the command post of automated control systems of various types of aircraft about the air and surface situation. And also guidance of 6 fighters on 6 targets or 6 groups of fighters on 6 group targets. For this, there are 6 jobs for guidance navigators. As you can see, such a mode as target illumination and missile guidance is not provided for. Works in a different range.
                  But it is very interesting how SAMs with active homing and artificial intelligence still work, she herself discovered the target, she herself classified and made the decision to destroy it. Tell us.
                16. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 16 January 2021 15: 09
                  0
                  Quote: YOUR
                  5 A-50 and 4 A-50U

                  On March 28, 2019, the Taganrog Aviation Scientific and Technical Complex named after V.I. G.M. Beriev handed over to the Russian Aerospace Forces another serially modernized aircraft for early warning A-50U. This car with side number 42 has become sixth combatant A-50, which underwent a deep modernization under the program implemented by Beriev and the Vega Radio Engineering Concern (part of the Ruselectronics holding of the Rostec State Corporation).
                  http://www.take-off.ru/item/4165-ot-a-50u-do-a-100
                  Quote: YOUR
                  And also guidance of 6 fighters on 6 targets or 6 groups of fighters on 6 group targets.

                  A-50 could simultaneously accompany up to 60 targets and direct more than ten "own" fighters.

                  Source: http://bastion-opk.ru/a-50u/ OVT "WEAPON OF THE FATHERLAND" AVKarpenko
                  A-50U more
                  Quote: YOUR
                  As you can see, such a mode as target illumination and missile guidance is not provided for.

                  RTK "Bumblebee" ("Bumblebee-M", "Bumblebee-2")
                  Detection range:
                  - air targets:
                  bombers, km 650
                  low-flying fighters to the radio horizon cruise missiles (S = 1m2), km 215
                  torch of non-ballistic missiles by optical means, km 800

                  Source: http://bastion-opk.ru/a-50u/ OVT "WEAPON OF THE FATHERLAND" AVKarpenko
                  Quote: YOUR
                  But it is very interesting how SAMs with active homing still work

                  A homing system is a set of devices designed to autonomously output a projectile to a target and minimize deviation from it without the participation of the crew or external controls, as opposed to command guidance.

                  I am waiting for a detailed analysis with links to any sources about the comparative characteristics of the C = 300 and the C-350 in favor of the former, and at the same time about the over-the-horizon radars and their "uselessness".
                17. YOUR
                  YOUR 17 January 2021 04: 55
                  -1
                  So where is the description and methods of using missiles with active homing.
                  About over-the-horizon radars. Who said about their uselessness? Show me this person.
                18. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 17 January 2021 07: 00
                  0
                  Quote: YOUR
                  About over-the-horizon radars. Who said about their uselessness? Show me this person.

                  Quote: YOUR
                  Now you will start telling me a fairy tale on over-the-horizon radars?

                  Don't you remember what you wrote? It happens.
                  Quote: YOUR
                  So where is the description and methods of using missiles with active homing

                  Quote: Dart2027
                  A homing system is a set of devices designed to autonomously output a projectile to a target and minimize deviation from it without the participation of the crew or external controls, as opposed to command guidance.

                  In addition, I would like to finally get an answer to the question
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  I am waiting for a detailed analysis with links to any sources about the comparative characteristics of the C = 300 and the C-350 in favor of the former, and at the same time about the over-the-horizon radars and their "uselessness".
                19. YOUR
                  YOUR 17 January 2021 11: 01
                  -1
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  A homing system is a set of devices designed to autonomously output a projectile to a target and minimize deviation from it without the participation of the crew or external controls, as opposed to command guidance.

                  This is clear and understandable. As well as the fact that the missiles with TGSN fully correspond to this definition.
                  But as in your understanding, the principle of active homing is implemented, for example, in the S-400. What kind of rocket and how it works.
                  Another question. How do you see the aiming of the missile defense system at the target
                  Let me explain. One S-400 air defense system can simultaneously fire up to 10 targets. The antenna emits one signal, a total of targets are detected, for example 20 - how is the choice, and the shelling of each selected target. As missiles do not confuse which target is intended for whom.
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  I am waiting for a detailed analysis with links to any sources about the comparative characteristics of the C = 300 and the C-350 in favor of the former, and at the same time about the over-the-horizon radars and their "uselessness".

                  I do not consider it necessary to engage in nonsense comparing air defense systems of different classes proving which is better than which is worse. They are all good in their range.
                  Not over-horizontal, but over-the-horizon. These radars operate in other ranges for aiming missiles at a target are absolutely useless, their other purpose and subordination are different, this is an early warning system
                20. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 17 January 2021 11: 37
                  0
                  Quote: YOUR
                  I do not consider it necessary to engage in nonsense comparing air defense systems of different classes proving which is better than which is worse. They are all good in their range.

                  That is, you do not even know the simple fact that the S-300 S-350 is a SAM of the same class and the S-350 is being created as a replacement for the S-300? And why am I not surprised.
                  Quote: YOUR
                  Another question. How do you see the aiming of the missile defense system at the target

                  Well, educate?
                  Quote: YOUR
                  These radars work in other ranges for aiming missiles at the target are absolutely useless
                  Will the source be?
                21. YOUR
                  YOUR 17 January 2021 12: 02
                  -1
                  Dear, it was necessary to study at school then there would be no such blunders.
                  But God is with you
                  http://www.vko.ru/koncepcii/k-istorii-zagorizontnoy-radiolokacii
                  https://www.radartutorial.eu/07.waves/wa04.ru.html
                  As for the simultaneous guidance of several missiles at several targets, here you need at least an introductory lecture for a couple of hours. But as you yourself understand, the wrong place, and apparently your preparation leaves much to be desired.
                  So in a simple way. For each missile, its own code is generated, which cannot be repeated by other radars.
                  Quote: Dart2027

                  That is, you do not even know the simple fact that the S-300 S-350 is a SAM of the same class and the S-350 is being created as a replacement for the S-300? And why am I not surprised.

                  This is for the kids.
                22. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 17 January 2021 13: 19
                  0
                  Quote: YOUR
                  http://www.vko.ru/koncepcii/k-istorii-zagorizontnoy-radiolokacii
                  https://www.radartutorial.eu/07.waves/wa04.ru.html

                  I never saw the answer to a simple question - where is it said that they are not suitable for working with air defense systems?
                  Quote: YOUR
                  As for the simultaneous guidance of several missiles at several targets, here you need at least an introductory lecture for a couple of hours. But as you yourself understand the wrong place

                  The person who demands from me an answer to this question, when he was asked to himself, moves off the topic saying that there is no place here. Not surprised.
                  Quote: YOUR
                  This is for the kids.

                  That is, there is nothing to say. Which was expected from the very beginning.
                23. YOUR
                  YOUR 17 January 2021 13: 49
                  -1
                  Got it, I'm leaving. A competent person is immediately visible. He can ask questions and answer no. Good luck targeting over-the-horizon missiles with over-the-horizon radars. The Nobel Prize is guaranteed for you.
                24. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 17 January 2021 14: 39
                  0
                  Quote: YOUR
                  A competent person is immediately visible.

                  I know it.
                  Quote: YOUR
                  He can ask questions and answer no.

                  Quote: Dart2027
                  The person who demands from me an answer to this question, when he was asked to himself, moves off the topic saying that there is no place here. Not surprised.

                  Quote: Dart2027
                  That is, you do not even know the simple fact that the S-300 S-350 is a SAM of the same class and the S-350 is being created as a replacement for the S-300? And why am I not surprised.
                25. YOUR
                  YOUR 17 January 2021 15: 01
                  -1
                  A person who graduated from at least high school, such questions about the possibility of targeting missiles with the help of outside radars and, moreover, working in a different range, will not even arise. In this regard, you do not have a question that those on the other side can also intercept the control of the missile defense system and redirect it, if not to our aircraft, then it is simply stupid to stick it into the ground, or, if over our territory, into some object.
                  The fact that you are trying to chatter the issues that have begun to be discussed for some reason, demanding that you analyze the capabilities of the S-300 and S-350. Again, it does not do you credit. Your statement that the S-300 will be replaced by the S-350 is highly doubtful. The plans of the Ministry of Defense by 2027 are supposed to have only 19 air defense systems, not air defense systems, but air defense systems.
                  Another of the unpleasant for you. How can a person who does not know and does not understand the differences between air defense missile systems, air defense systems and air defense systems can tell something about the tactics of air defense systems.
                  Boy, you made me laugh, thanks. Then allow me to take my leave. I'll go to bed, and in a good mood. Study, study and study again, as grandfather Lenin bequeathed. And maybe having received a good education, you will be able to realize all your dreams. Good luck.
                26. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 17 January 2021 18: 16
                  0
                  Quote: YOUR
                  The person who finished at least high school
                  knows that such issues are not considered there.
                  However, considering how you grasped this question on the rest of the guidance means, it is impossible to come up with anything.
                  Quote: YOUR
                  The fact that you are trying to chatter questions that have begun to be discussed for some reason, demanding that you analyze the capabilities of the S-300 and S-350. Again, it does not do you credit.
                  The fact that I do not allow the initial topic of the controversy to be blurted out speaks about my experience of communicating with those who cannot say anything in essence.
                  Or are you so confused in your attempts to move out that you yourself do not remember that the question is precisely that replacing the S-300 with the S-350 increases the effectiveness of the air defense with which you disagree?
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  I am waiting for a detailed analysis with links to any sources on the comparative characteristics of C = 300 and C-350 in favor of the first
                  You are a "specialist".
                  Quote: YOUR
                  Your statement that the S-300 will be replaced by the S-350 is highly doubtful. The plans of the Ministry of Defense by 2027 are supposed to have only 19 air defense systems, not air defense systems, but air defense systems.
                  By 2027, it is planned to have 12 S-350 divisions. We are not talking about a complete replacement yet, because such things cannot be done in a minute, but where they replace, they will replace it. Maybe that's enough disgrace?
                  Quote: YOUR
                  How can a person who does not know and does not understand the differences between air defense systems, air defense systems and srdn

                  Quote: Dart2027
                  It is very interesting, but how does this relate to the fact that the S-350 is more effective than the S-300, and the replacement of a division of these with new air defense systems increases the effectiveness of defense at times? There was an air defense system with some air defense systems, but it became with others. We are talking about the technical re-equipment of the troops, and not about division into structural units.
                  Any troops are divided into various structural units, it can be air defense systems and air defense systems or regiments, battalions and divisions, and what? How does this affect the characteristics of their weapons and equipment?

                  Quote: YOUR
                  Boy, you made me laugh, thanks. Then let me take my leave. I'll go to bed, and in a good mood.
                  And how nice it is for me to poke my nose into a puddle of another all-fledged man.
                27. YOUR
                  YOUR 18 January 2021 11: 49
                  -1
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  However, considering how you grasped this question on the rest of the guidance means, it is impossible to come up with anything.

                  I don't think you know what types of targeting exist.
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  And how nice it is for me to poke my nose into a puddle of another all-fledged man.

                  Always happy to help improve self-esteem.
                28. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 18 January 2021 19: 26
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                  Quote: YOUR
                  I don't think you know
                  said a man who could not say anything in essence.
                  Quote: YOUR
                  Always happy to help improve self-esteem.
                  What else can you do.
                29. YOUR
                  YOUR 19 January 2021 04: 59
                  -1
                  He took and turned everything into swearing. Good luck kid, finish school, read more, study, learn to conduct a conversation and you will be happy
                30. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 19 January 2021 19: 35
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                  Quote: YOUR
                  He took and turned everything into swearing.

                  Quote: Dart2027
                  I am waiting for a detailed analysis with links to any sources on the comparative characteristics of C = 300 and C-350 in favor of the first
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 9 January 2021 11: 53
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    With 500 it is necessary, and with 400 for export to everyone, so that the F 35 does not feel invisible. smile
    1. seti
      seti 9 January 2021 11: 59
      +4
      Even the export version of the S-400 cannot be sold to everyone. Yes, not everyone has that kind of money. S-300, please, especially in a used version with reduced characteristics.
      I hope Algeria and India will receive their orders as soon as possible. We give them money to protect them and the staff members are concerned about infarction.
  • G. Georgiev
    G. Georgiev 9 January 2021 11: 54
    +6
    Space begins over the state border and is over 110 km. SAM is not a space weapon. Engineers have to work hard to create a real videoconferencing system with space weapons.
  • mark1
    mark1 9 January 2021 12: 00
    +11
    Last year, the Aerospace Forces received 24 regimental sets of S-400 and 24 Pantsir-S complexes.

    Not too much regimental kits for a year? In total, in 2020, 5 regimental kits, of which only one 4 divisional, the remaining 2. Inventory?
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 9 January 2021 12: 58
      +5
      Quote: mark1
      Not too much regimental kits for a year?

      He wanted to say that there are about 24 sets of them in the Armed Forces. I wanted to .... but something went wrong laughing
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 9 January 2021 12: 48
    +4
    what changes are expected by the Military Space Forces from the new year

    VKS - Aerospace Forces
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 9 January 2021 13: 08
    +1
    So an echeloned defense is being drawn! The most important thing is “that there is no second Rust.” “Partners” think about this, 202% for sure.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 9 January 2021 16: 15
    +1
    As Marshal Zhukov said: woe to that country and people who cannot defend themselves from an air enemy.
  • Old26
    Old26 9 January 2021 18: 06
    +3
    Quote: YOUR
    The main value of the S-350 is that it is much cheaper than the S-400, which means that much more of them can be made, which means it is better to cover the territory of Russia

    Generally, the price is critical for the buyer. And the manufacturer will not be able to make more cheap complexes than expensive ones in a certain time. It all depends on the capacity of the plant and the production discipline of the counterparties.
  • sharp-lad
    sharp-lad 9 January 2021 22: 32
    0
    at an altitude of 30 kilometers and at a distance of up to 120 thousand meters
    The S-350 and S-400 complexes use medium-range missiles.
    Somewhat chaotic however.
  • Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 10 January 2021 00: 46
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    and at a distance of up to 120 thousand meters.

    And in millimeters - 120 million in general. laughing
  • Diverter
    Diverter 10 January 2021 23: 27
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    The article is written clumsily. And the information in it is very good! 24th shelf is very cool.
  • Alexander Yarosh
    Alexander Yarosh 11 January 2021 02: 39
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    HERE GONN ....
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 January 2021 15: 58
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      In addition, the troops will receive two sets of S-400 Triumph air defense systems and 18 Pantsir-S complexes.