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Ukraine summed up the receipt of aviation equipment in the Armed Forces of Ukraine for 2020

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Ukraine summed up the receipt of aviation equipment in the Armed Forces of Ukraine for 2020

The Ukrainian edition of the Ukrainian Military Pages summed up the income and losses of the manned aviation equipment of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, as well as other law enforcement agencies for 2020. Data taken from open sources.


The publication notes that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have traditionally not received a single new aircraft or helicopter in a year, the replenishment took place at the expense of repaired and modernized equipment already in service. Only the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine received new helicopters, the department accepted the first H125 and H145 produced by Airbus Helicopters.

Thus, the department of Arsen Avakov (Ministry of Internal Affairs) received 2020 new Airbus H2 helicopters for the State Border Service in January 125, and 2020 new Airbus H2 helicopters for the National Police in October 145. In addition, the State Emergency Service (rescuers) received 2 repaired Airbus H225 helicopters during the year.

The Air Force and Army Aviation of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine replenished over the year only with repaired and modernized aircraft and helicopters: at the beginning of the year, one modernized Su-27UB combat training fighter was delivered, four MiG-29 fighters during the year, one Su-24MR reconnaissance aircraft, one Su-25 attack aircraft, two L-39M1 trainer aircraft and four modernized Mi-8-MTV-1 helicopters.

In addition, Antonov extended the service life by 2 years for 9 An-24, An-26 (one crashed after repairs with cadets on board) and An-30. Nikolaev aircraft repair plant extended the service life of two Il-76MD.

In 2020, the Air Force lost 3 aircraft, one of them irrevocably. In April, during an emergency landing, the MiG-29 was damaged (restored and handed over to the Armed Forces in December), the An-26 was damaged in the parking lot after the landing gear was removed (there is no data on returning to service yet) and the An-26Sh, which was repaired in 2020 year and fell with cadets on board at the end of September 2020. (25 people died, the plane was completely destroyed).

In the future, the Air Force of the Armed Forces intends to re-equip by 2035 on a single multi-role fighter of Western production. In this capacity, Saab JAS-39E / F Gripen, F-16 Block 70/72 or others are offered.
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  1. Artavazdych
    Artavazdych 3 January 2021 20: 07
    +5
    We intend to re-equip with a single multipurpose fighter ...
    Saab JAS-39E / F Gripen offered

    Well, the griffin is in one place, in the jargon of musicians. True, those have vultures, but it doesn't matter.
    1. Pechkin
      Pechkin 3 January 2021 20: 17
      +3
      Well, if they swing by 2035, then the Saab JAS-39E / F Gripen, F-16 Block 70/72 modifications can and will be affordable for them, although life may turn around so that they will choose Sukhoi or Mig.
      1. Artavazdych
        Artavazdych 3 January 2021 20: 34
        +11
        Although life may turn so that they will choose Dry or Instant

        For the Kiev Military District, and they will choose on the Frunzenskaya embankment, which is next to the Arbat
        1. Rzzz
          Rzzz 5 January 2021 18: 45
          +1
          Quote: Artavazdych
          on the Frunzenskaya embankment, which is next to the Arbat

          In general, Frunzenskaya Embankment is quite far from the Arbat. yes yes
      2. garik77
        garik77 4 January 2021 19: 32
        +4
        They are now from 2021 to 2040 to pay off debts on petina restructuring. Fuck what money they have
    2. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr 3 January 2021 20: 51
      +9
      Good perspective. And, most importantly, distant. By then, whether the Great-Ukrov will have an air force is a big question. Or will NATO planes patrol their airspace?
      1. figwam
        figwam 3 January 2021 21: 16
        +9
        Quote: oleg-gr
        will the great-blooded air forces remain

        Will there be great ukriya on the map?)))
        1. 210ox
          210ox 4 January 2021 07: 54
          +2
          Why shouldn't they be? As long as we exist, Russia, there will be Amerzian mongrels.
      2. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 3 January 2021 21: 22
        +4
        Ukrainians will wash toilets in the EU. And NATO will patrol the Ukri area. Great perspective.)
      3. Labrador
        Labrador 3 January 2021 21: 40
        0
        At the same time, they are still capable of delivering from the Baltic zero to their air forces.
    3. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 4 January 2021 00: 09
      +6
      I'm wondering who's against the bar in a certain spot? Are there more Ukrainians here again than people?
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 4 January 2021 00: 19
        +2
        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
        I'm wondering who's against the bar in a certain spot? Are there more Ukrainians here again than people?

        You are not talking about "orphans", there was already an article about the "future" of the Ukrainian Air Force .... only fighters will remain in the Air Force from combat aircraft, everything else will be transferred to the UAV ...
        1. Sergey Averchenkov
          Sergey Averchenkov 4 January 2021 00: 30
          +5
          No, I am not saying it, there are indeed a lot of them here. Heck...
      2. pilot306
        pilot306 4 January 2021 09: 13
        0
        there are more Ukrainians than people
        Incitement of ethnic hatred, punishable by the Criminal Code, the moderators do not care.
        1. Sergey Averchenkov
          Sergey Averchenkov 4 January 2021 09: 22
          +1
          I don't fire, they fire. Apparently the moderators agree.
        2. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 4 January 2021 09: 56
          0
          Quote: pilot306
          there are more Ukrainians than people
          Incitement of ethnic hatred, punishable by the Criminal Code, the moderators do not care.

          What is stirring up? Those. If I write that there are a lot of Armenians in Adler and Sochi, will this also be kindled? Do not write nonsense ... by the way, and not incitement, but excitement ...
          Actions aimed at inciting hatred or enmity should be understood, in particular, as statements justifying and (or) asserting the need for genocide, mass repression, deportation, and other illegal actions, including the use of violence, against representatives of any nation , race, adherents of a particular religion. Criticism of political organizations, ideological and religious associations, political, ideological or religious beliefs, national or religious customs in itself should not be regarded as an action aimed at inciting hatred or enmity.

          paragraph 2 of paragraph 7 of the Resolution of the Plenum of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation of June 28.06.2011, 11 N 20.09.2018 (as amended on September XNUMX, XNUMX) "On judicial practice in criminal cases on crimes of an extremist nature"
          http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_115712/#dst100080
          ... liberals like to refer to Article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, for some reason ...
          right in the morning they don't give cocoa to drink, which is just not to read ...
    4. pilot306
      pilot306 4 January 2021 09: 10
      +1
      I wanted to seem witty.
  2. Lionnvrsk
    Lionnvrsk 3 January 2021 20: 07
    +5
    The Ukrainian Armed Forces have traditionally not received a single new aircraft or helicopter in a year, the replenishment took place at the expense of the repaired and modernized equipment already in service.

    That's right, there is no way to buy expensive new things, you need to save. After all, loans must be returned.
  3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 3 January 2021 20: 32
    -1
    Ukrainian edition of Ukrainian Military Pages

    Well this is necessary - two mistakes in one word.
    Ukrainian Military Paiges
  4. max702
    max702 3 January 2021 20: 45
    +4
    Nuu not clinking glasses ... Amen ...
  5. Dimide
    Dimide 3 January 2021 20: 46
    -21%
    There is not enough money for "novye", the minimum wage was again increased to 6000 UAH, pensioners from 65 years old - 300 UAH and from 75 to 500 UAH were added
    And the Israelis will modernize aircraft
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 3 January 2021 20: 54
      +14
      Quote: Dimid
      the minimum wage was again increased to 6000 UAH

      You should be banned for spreading deliberately false information.
      The minimum wage in Ukraine is UAH 1769 (RUB 4612 in normal money).

      Quote: Dimid
      And the Israelis will modernize aircraft

      And the Israeli pensioners will also eat bread, hike, too. Yours are apparently satiated with guiding.
      1. Ivanchester
        Ivanchester 3 January 2021 21: 01
        0
        Where is your data from?
        https://yandex.ru/turbo/vesti.ua/s/strana/v-ukraine-uvelichilsya-razmer-minimalnoj-zarplaty
        - here it is also written about 6000 hryvnia.
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 3 January 2021 21: 16
          +6
          Quote: Ivanchester
          zarplaty

          I'm talking about your pensioners' pensions.
          The increase in the minimum wage, in the realities of the economy of "gray" wages, is just an increase in the taxable base in the gray wages of the gray masses. This makes your population only poorer (they now take more taxes from their pockets), scraping up a penny into your deficit budget. Plus, often fines and other extortions from the population are tied to the minimum wage. And in order to write seriously about this as a social achievement, it is necessary to learn at school instead of mathematics "It will be done, my lord!" - in a dozen languages.
          1. Ivanchester
            Ivanchester 3 January 2021 21: 47
            +2
            Boris, I don't know who yours are for you.
            I was personally born and live in Moscow.
            I just think that it is not necessary to distort in disputes and present incorrect data about what is happening in Ukraine.
            By the way, not only fines are tied to the minimum wage, but also all kinds of social benefits that the state pays to the unprotected part of the population.
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 3 January 2021 23: 08
              +2
              Quote: Ivanchester
              no need <...> to distort

              About what and how it is necessary or not to juggle - you will tell your son.
              If my first post misled you, then the second, obviously, is able to remove any misunderstandings.

              Quote: Ivanchester
              all kinds of social benefits

              While the gray salary is received by a larger (by an appropriate amount) number of people than all kinds of social payments tied to the minimum wage, it is beneficial for the state to increase the minimum wage. And the population, accordingly, is not profitable. Penalties, etc. - the cherry on the cake. This is the simplest mathematics.

              Quote: Ivanchester
              was born and live in Moscow

              There was already one "Siberian". Then he often started to slip something like "and we have in Israel" ...
              But even this is not the main thing. I am convinced that most of the population of Ukraine is adequate people, quite capable of adding two plus two and understanding what I am talking about. The fact that the propagandists are not far from the Ukrainian "temporary workers" is actually consoling. This means that normal, thinking people do not climb into the swamp that today is trying to pull our Ukraine into itself, and only frank rogules agree to run errands for Vladyka.
              1. Vadim_888
                Vadim_888 4 January 2021 11: 44
                +2
                ... There was already one "Siberian". Then he often started to slip something like "and we have in Israel" ...

                still kind, we forgot about Birobidzhan, about it we can still say that in Siberia (far east) lol
              2. Ivanchester
                Ivanchester 4 January 2021 14: 15
                +1
                About what and how it is necessary or not to distort

                An amazingly subtle sense of humor! Is your last name Rzhevsky by any chance?

                This is the simplest mathematics.

                Only a person who is infinitely far from the economy can assume such an absurdity that raising the minimum wage can bring the economy out of the shadows. Yes, he would have been in both Russia and Ukraine for a long time already, a million a month, if that were so.
                However, if for you this is the simplest mathematics, then tell us: what amounts will employers in Ukraine begin to pay additionally after raising the minimum wage, what taxes will be additionally collected, which, on the contrary, will decrease, and what will be the overall effect.
                There was already one "Siberian".

                Boris, I sincerely hope that you realize how deeply your distrust is indifferent to me.
                1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                  Boris ⁣ Shaver 10 January 2021 21: 13
                  0
                  Quote: Ivanchester
                  Is your last name Rzhevsky by any chance?

                  I must admit, your humor is clearly not subtle. Moreover, it is clearly more boring.

                  Quote: Ivanchester
                  a person infinitely far from economics

                  We're talking about mathematics. You must have never heard of such a science. Because if you graduated from elementary school at least, then you would easily understand what is written in my previous post.
                  About the economy, however, a person who thinks that you can endlessly raise taxes (your minimum wage is a million), also has absolutely no idea.

                  Quote: Ivanchester
                  sincerely hope

                  You should stop "sincerely hoping" for an uncle from the outside and start thinking yourself. After all, not every day you meet a person like me who teaches the mind to the mind for free.
                  1. Ivanchester
                    Ivanchester 10 January 2021 22: 14
                    0
                    Judging by the aplomb with which you talk about elementary school, you, at least, had to be there.
                    Then you should know that a proof is a chain of statements that logically follow from one another, allowing you to establish a relationship between the initial condition and what you need to prove.
                    You are not able to support your false hypothesis about the connection between the minimum wage and the taxable base. Therefore, alas, it is unsubstantiated.
                    Since our discussion has lost the rest of its meaning, I will allow myself to end it. hi
                    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                      Boris ⁣ Shaver 11 January 2021 00: 37
                      0
                      Quote: Ivanchester
                      proof is a chain of statements that logically follow from one another

                      In the simplest proofs, obvious transitions are implied, but not explicitly indicated, lest the student think that you are holding him completely for a dumbass. After all, a normal person does not like to eat what has already been chewed for him. At least a small, but his own mental activity of the student is always necessary - let him think out the remaining simple transitions from the logical chain built for him, so he will better remember his lesson.
                      If specifically you still need to chew on elementary things, then my advice to you is to ask about it directly, bluntly. After all, the teacher, often, does not do this, so as not to stupidly offend you with excessive chewing on your thoughts, for those who are not far-fetched.
                      What can be incomprehensible in the expression: "Increase of the taxable base" - for any reasonable person? How can you not be able to associate this with an increase in the minimum wage with the gray wages of the majority? Do not hesitate, ask - after all, you have already demonstrated your unenviable level of development and, believe me, you have nothing more to lose.
        2. Normal ok
          Normal ok 4 January 2021 20: 17
          -2
          Quote: Ivanchester
          Where is your data from?
          https://yandex.ru/turbo/vesti.ua/s/strana/v-ukraine-uvelichilsya-razmer-minimalnoj-zarplaty
          - here it is also written about 6000 hryvnia.

          Out of my head wassat
          PS. It is enough to google the topic, with the search settings for the last six months, and it turns out that 6000.
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 10 January 2021 21: 15
            0
            Quote: Normal ok
            still 6000

            You haven't read the paragraph about the pensioners? It was not a long post
      2. Dimide
        Dimide 3 January 2021 21: 06
        -20%
        From January 1, 2021, the minimum wage (according to your minimum wage) will be UAH 6000 ($ 212) and has become higher than in the Russian Federation (RUB 12792 or approximately $ 173)
        1. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich 3 January 2021 21: 20
          +6
          Damid, you obviously have toxicosis, from bacon ... Otherwise, where do you get this nonsense?))
          1. Dimide
            Dimide 3 January 2021 21: 27
            -17%
            Andrey Nikolaevich, you probably had a turnip or "empty" cabbage soup that you cannot adequately check the information
            1. Dimide
              Dimide 4 January 2021 07: 33
              -8
              I can directly see on the cons how you rejoice in the improvement of the well-being of your neighbors laughing
              1. Andrei Nikolaevich
                Andrei Nikolaevich 4 January 2021 08: 14
                +5
                Yes. I am glad .. Not every country has such an honor to wash toilets in the EU.
                1. Dimide
                  Dimide 4 January 2021 08: 47
                  -8
                  Yes, your post does not add adequacy to you. I see you as a fan of Solovyov laughing
                  No to rejoice for the relatives of the wife
                2. Tochilka
                  Tochilka 4 January 2021 08: 50
                  +4
                  What about the topic of Polish plumbers?
        2. Vlad is short
          Vlad is short 3 January 2021 22: 42
          +6
          But no one is going to pay the official moot
        3. Uncle Vanya Susanin
          Uncle Vanya Susanin 4 January 2021 06: 43
          +5
          The most profitable routes of ukrzaliznitsa are Kiev-Moscow, Kryvyi Rih - Moscow, and Odessa - Moscow, apparently they do not have enough of their minimum wage, they go more and more for our wassat , but this is understandable because the prices are already higher than ours hi
          1. Dimide
            Dimide 4 January 2021 07: 31
            -2
            Do trains run directly?
            1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
              Uncle Vanya Susanin 4 January 2021 08: 09
              +1
              This is the report of the ukrzaliznitsa from 2019, but as far as I know, the situation has not changed in 2020!
          2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
            Uncle Vanya Susanin 4 January 2021 08: 14
            -3
            https://youtu.be/GL11LPhP7dk

            Here for 2020 from 0 to 39 sec.
            1. Dimide
              Dimide 4 January 2021 10: 14
              0
              0 trains run on the Kiev-Moscow route.
              1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                Uncle Vanya Susanin 4 January 2021 12: 47
                0
                So ukrzaliznitsa is lying for some reason wink
              2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                Uncle Vanya Susanin 4 January 2021 13: 26
                -2
                "Ukrainian News Agency reports this with reference to the press service of Ukrzaliznytsia.

                In 2019, the most profitable trains were international trains from Kiev and Krivoy Rog to Moscow. Ukrzaliznytsia earned UAH 145,2 million and UAH 95,7 million, respectively.

                The report notes that last year 339 414 seats were offered on the Kiev-Moscow train, of which 253 530 were sold. On the Krivoy Rog-Moscow train, 173 050 seats out of 141 708 seats were sold. "
          3. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 4 January 2021 08: 24
            +4
            Uncle Vanya Susanin, you are right. Forgotten another "patriotic" route - "Lviv - Moscow". As for the minimum wage of 6000 hryvnia, it is not paid. Even officially employed people are transferred to half the rate. And they pay - the minimum wage and no more. All medical services (any) only for bribes and medicines, the patient pours himself. Starting with bits and cotton wool. Damid, writes nonsense. His wife's brother lives in the Kiev region. A very smart man. He often calls and tells everything ... Besides, three years ago, they drove by car on vacation to my mother-in. All I saw there is horror! It's not even Zimbabwe ... It's worse.
      3. APASUS
        APASUS 3 January 2021 21: 11
        -3
        Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
        The minimum wage in Ukraine is UAH 1769 (RUB 4612 in normal money).

        In my opinion you are mistaken
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 3 January 2021 21: 18
          +2
          Quote: APASUS
          In my opinion you are mistaken

          I wrote above - we are talking about pensions. Why not about salaries is also indicated above.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 3 January 2021 23: 33
      +4
      Quote: Dimid
      And the Israelis will modernize aircraft

      And they will pay for modern?
    3. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 4 January 2021 09: 44
      +3
      , the minimum wage was again increased to 6000 UAH, pensioners from ... it's a pity that my colleague in the service does not know this, recently called up about congratulations, as there was a pension for length of service, 1300 hryvnia is true, but tariffs have grown not childishly, yon from the city ( Lvov) moved to his mother in the village ... well, okay, everyday affairs ... the only question is what the ten-millionth army of Gaster is doing over the hill with vnau, if you think it is so good in Nenka .. why is this army not decrepit pensioners or dissidents, this is just part of the able-bodied and qualified citizens of vnau ... nussss ... why ...
      1. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 4 January 2021 11: 51
        +6
        ... the only question is what the ten-millionth army of Gaster is doing over the hill

        Earns euros and sends home, essentially the same thing as residents of Central Asia do in Russia
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 4 January 2021 12: 01
          -1
          Earns euros and sends home, in fact the same as the inhabitants of Central Asia do in Russia .... so why raise the economy of another country if it is so nice to live in nenka ..... everyone knows that there is such a thing as man-hours from which is the percentage of wages ... and this is about 10 percent of the earned, at best. as well as 2-3 percent .... ex, these gasterses
  6. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 3 January 2021 21: 18
    +5
    They need corn. Only corn workers!
    Only this aircraft corresponds to the status and military power, nezalezhnoy.
    PS I forgot! And embroidered shirt for the pilot, a must.
  7. rruvim
    rruvim 3 January 2021 21: 25
    +4
    As I understand it, Ukroluftflotte will immediately move to a new technological level, immediately to the UAV. And for the delivery of operators and generals of the Air Force, the UAVs will also fit in the khashki from Airbus. And it is convenient to fly to the dachas, there is no need for a special platform in front of the mansion.
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 4 January 2021 01: 54
      +4
      Quote: rruvim
      As I understand it, Ukroluftflotte will immediately move to a new technological level, immediately to the UAV.


      Take the higher. They will switch to completely invisible aircraft that do not need fuel, weapons or pilots, which do not need any airfields for takeoff.
      1. Shkworen
        Shkworen 4 January 2021 11: 13
        +2


        they already have such litaki, proven over the years :)
  8. Rostislav Prokopenko
    Rostislav Prokopenko 3 January 2021 22: 23
    +3
    By 2035, our air defense will already be testing the S-600, i.e. they will beat immediately after signing the papers for departure laughing so that people (though Ukrainians) are not ruined.
  9. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 3 January 2021 22: 52
    +5
    The guys are overwhelmed with optimism))) the economic and political situation in the territory is such that it can go bang at any moment.
    1. Avior
      Avior 3 January 2021 23: 36
      0
      And what exactly should go bang?
      The real wages are growing, there are no other reasons to bang too ...
      1. lopvlad
        lopvlad 4 January 2021 01: 45
        +7
        Quote: Avior
        Real wages rise


        Apparently people from Ukraine are fleeing en masse to work in Europe and Russia from high Ukrainian salaries.
        1. Nike
          Nike 4 January 2021 08: 50
          +3
          Make Russia visa-free and Russians will rush to Europe in trains. An acquaintance in MOSCOW spent three months going to the embassies for a work visa - got a fig.
          An acquaintance called from Ukraine, my son works in Germany on a truck, in three months 7 tons of Eureka clean. Where in Russia do they pay like that under such working conditions7 (a service team arrives to change a broken wheel, they themselves could not)
          1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
            Uncle Vanya Susanin 4 January 2021 12: 53
            +4
            An acquaintance in MOSCOW spent three months going to the embassies for a work visa - got a fig.

            An evening of amazing stories laughing we in Krasnoyarsk make a visa without problems, but in Moscow they can't directly, oh, these fairy tales, oh, these storytellers wink
          2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
            Uncle Vanya Susanin 4 January 2021 13: 30
            +2
            My wife's friend boasted that her husband was getting 140t on a fuel tanker, why would he go to Germany?
        2. Avior
          Avior 4 January 2021 10: 31
          0
          People move for even higher wages, because of which local employers have to raise the salaries of those who remain, which they do. Market law and competition for the employee.
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 10 January 2021 21: 19
            0
            Quote: Avior
            People move for even higher salaries, because of which local employers have to raise the salaries of those who remain

            Then in Tajikistan, long ago, salaries should be like in Moscow.

            Quote: Avior
            Market law and competition for the employee

            Equal industrial entities can compete. Ukraine vs EU Equal Competition? Really? Burn on.
            1. Avior
              Avior 10 January 2021 22: 43
              0
              This is how Ukraine loses in this competition.
              And what about salaries is not a secret
              https://index.minfin.com.ua/labour/salary/average/ukraina/
              Then in Tajikistan, long ago, salaries should be like in Moscow.

              I didn't write this, this is your fantasy
              1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                Boris ⁣ Shaver 11 January 2021 00: 40
                0
                Quote: Avior
                this is your fantasy

                This is a hypothetical model based on your claim. The difference between its result and reality eloquently makes us understand how ridiculous the delusion put at its basis was.

                Quote: Avior
                Ukraine loses in this competition

                Purely theoretically, when you eat a cutlet, you can say that the next cow has lost in competition with you. But in practice, you see, it's rather ridiculous to call the relationship between you and the cow from which you eat the cutlet competition?
                1. Avior
                  Avior 11 January 2021 00: 52
                  0
                  This is a hypothetical model

                  this is your fantasy, which has nothing to do with what I wrote.
                  You have the usual demagogic trick - to compose something for the interlocutor, and then prove that he is wrong.
                  But in practice, you see, it's pretty ridiculous

                  to take seriously such fictions that have nothing to do with reality.
                  Success
                  hi
                  1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                    Boris ⁣ Shaver 11 January 2021 01: 21
                    0
                    Quote: Avior
                    this is your fantasy

                    You are now acting like a child who thinks that by repeating your statement many times, you can win an argument.
                    - Yes.
                    - No.
                    - Yes Yes Yes!
                    - No no no!
                    - How many do not say, but I said a hundred times more.
                    - No.
                    - Yes.
                    ...

                    Even as a child, I considered these games to be the lot of someone with intelligence in the lower primate region. And in old age I do not want to start doing such nonsense.
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 11 January 2021 01: 28
                      0
                      The solution is very simple - if you want to communicate, forget about these childish primitive tricks with distorting the position of the interlocutor.
                      Just business.
                      hi
                      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                        Boris ⁣ Shaver 11 January 2021 01: 31
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        do you want to chat

                        I, in my opinion, clearly wrote that I consider it stupid to continue communicating with an interlocutor using this level of arguments. You can just as well mumble with cows in the meadow. It is not for nothing that you, apparently, did not understand my analogy with a cutlet.
                        Be healthy.
                      2. Avior
                        Avior 11 January 2021 02: 05
                        0
                        You are funny. You were the first to start communicating on the old thread, knowingly distorting my position.
                        And when you were sent, having explained to you that no one would discuss your fantasies, you didn’t think of anything more stupid than puffing up, proving that it was you who decided to interrupt communication.
                        hi
                      3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                        Boris ⁣ Shaver 11 January 2021 02: 35
                        -1
                        Ok, now my postscript.
                        You have been pointed out that your statement was wrong by giving you an example of the opposite of your expectations of the action of your "market mechanism". In response, something like "be-be-be" was heard from you.

                        The strangeness of your behavior has been pointed out to you. In response, you have not found anything better than to give something like "then I will not play with you."

                        We said goodbye to you. Your answer is "you started first".

                        Forgive me, but from a person who was able to learn how to write and read, you definitely do not expect such behavior. To be honest, I am very discouraged. Probably, the past holidays were hard for you. Get well.
                      4. Avior
                        Avior 11 January 2021 07: 49
                        0
                        I see that you burned badly when you were caught in deception, you can't stop.
                      5. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                        Boris ⁣ Shaver 11 January 2021 15: 04
                        -1
                        Quote: Avior
                        I see that you burned badly when you were caught in deception, you can't stop.

                        You wrote about yourself. An interesting twist of an inflamed consciousness.
  • Uncle Vanya Susanin
    Uncle Vanya Susanin 4 January 2021 06: 49
    +3
    Real prices are also growing, especially ahead of salaries. The budget of Ukraine consists of 2/3 of borrowed money, not receiving the next tranche puts the entire economy on the brink of collapse!
    1. Avior
      Avior 4 January 2021 10: 32
      -3
      On the contrary, salaries are growing faster
      1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
        Uncle Vanya Susanin 4 January 2021 13: 42
        +2
        This year, they promised a rise in the price of gas for the population by 20%, pensions and 3 / p will probably increase by 20,5 request
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 4 January 2021 12: 43
    +3
    What is growing ???))) When was the last time you were in Banderland?
    1. Avior
      Avior 4 January 2021 13: 06
      -2
      https://index.minfin.com.ua/labour/salary/average/ukraina/
      Average salary is growing
      As well as the minimum
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 4 January 2021 18: 44
        +2
        Don't tell my sneakers))) I live here. Only prices for housing and communal services, foodstuffs and medicine are growing. Salaries grow only on a "piece of paper", only their growth lags far behind reality. Today in Lubny they blocked the Kiev-Kharkov highway, protests against the increase in gas prices.
        1. Avior
          Avior 4 January 2021 18: 52
          +3
          ... After the rallies, Lubnygaz admitted that it had erroneously counted 299 cubic meters of consumption for people.

          Not against the rise, but against the tricks of the local gas seller
          Salary - official data
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 4 January 2021 22: 26
            +3
            There is such a thing as purchasing power. When prices rise faster than wages, the rise does not matter.
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 3 January 2021 23: 30
    +5
    They would still be Ukraine by 2035 ...
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 4 January 2021 00: 19
    +2
    Aviation of the armed forces only causes laughter)))
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 4 January 2021 02: 39
      0
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Aviation of the armed forces only causes laughter)))

      those killed by her do not think so.
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 4 January 2021 10: 28
        -1
        Burnt litaki and pilots in Donbass do not think so either.
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 4 January 2021 01: 39
    +2
    In the future, the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine intend to carry out rearmament until 2035


    optimists however. World showdown in which the Armed Forces have the role of cannon fodder for the interests of the United States in the next few years, and they are developing plans until 2035.
  • ImPerts
    ImPerts 4 January 2021 07: 36
    +4
    As far as I understand, by 2035 Ukraine will not only stop borrowing constantly, but will already pay off everyone. And will this freed up money be used to purchase new aircraft? Very optimistic!
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 4 January 2021 08: 06
    +7
    One small, but very proud bird .... Honestly, I'm tired of the dominance of the media with stories about Ukraine, how it is there and what and why. Well, it causes disgust for a long time. For 22 years, everyone, especially in the Kremlin, did not care about Ukraine until 2013. And then we woke up. And now not a day without chatting about her. I now understand why the people are embittered - there are enough problems in Russia itself, and the people are constantly told how bad everything is in Ukraine, in the Baltic states and elsewhere. And we have parades and awards
    1. Vadim_888
      Vadim_888 4 January 2021 12: 00
      +3
      Not in the eyebrow but in the eye hi
    2. Alexander Polyakov
      Alexander Polyakov 8 January 2021 16: 27
      0
      Duck all the time, everyone has enough problems, the covid did not spare anyone, it’s hard for everyone, and for us, incl.
  • svp67
    svp67 4 January 2021 08: 56
    0
    Ukraine is desperately waiting for the supply of F-16, one of those that should be written off from the US Air Force, but it's a pity to throw it out ...
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 4 January 2021 09: 00
    +1
    God does not give horns to a thirsty cow, and so does these banderlog.
  • Nikita Vinogradov
    Nikita Vinogradov 4 January 2021 12: 20
    +2
    Most of all, it's fun when a goner outskirts build dreams of 2035 !!!
  • mu1972
    mu1972 4 January 2021 14: 23
    0
    wet dreams!
  • tarackanovaleksei
    tarackanovaleksei 4 January 2021 18: 42
    -1
    Ukram, it's high time to transfer to starships and spacecraft.
  • Vladimir Gorshenin
    Vladimir Gorshenin 4 January 2021 23: 45
    +1
    I believe that Russia needs to react more harshly to the attacks of the Ukrainian authorities and not allow them to yapping at Mother Russia, they will become more and more impudent for my state.
  • aleks700
    aleks700 5 January 2021 11: 37
    0
    So where can they get new ones? They don't make their own, and Russia, thank God, is not selling yet. Import? F35? Expensive.
  • 7 poplar
    7 poplar 6 January 2021 00: 23
    +1
    In the future, the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine intends to re-equip by 2035 with a single Western-made multipurpose fighter AN 2. good
  • Alexander Polyakov
    Alexander Polyakov 8 January 2021 16: 24
    +1
    I very much doubt that such a country will exist by 2035, and if it does, I doubt even more that it will have money to buy new combat aircraft