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Ottoman period in the history of Albania

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Ottoman period in the history of Albania
Gong K.F. Albanian warrior. Krasnodar Regional Art Museum


We have already talked about Albania in an article dedicated to the life and exploits of the great Skanderbeg (Georgy Kastrioti), who managed to inflict a number of defeats on the Ottomans and died undefeated. Today we will continue talking about this country and see what happened to it after the death of the hero.

Pre-Ottoman period of Albanian history


The Illyrians lived on the territory of modern Albania for a long time (from the 90th-168th centuries BC), and the modern international name of this country has an Illyrian origin: from the word olba - "village", it was first found in the works of Ptolemy (Alexandria, XNUMX C.E.). The modern Albanian language is not similar to any of the European ones, it is believed that it originates from the now defunct Illyrian, transformed under the influence of Greek, Latin, Romance, Turkish and Slavic languages. The Albanians themselves call their country Shqipër (and themselves - "shiptar", shqipёtar): according to the most reliable and justified version, this name comes from a verb meaning "to speak clearly." That is, shqipёtar are people who speak to each other in a language they understand (according to the same principle, the self-name "Slovene" appeared). But there is another version, according to which this name comes from the word shqipe - "eagle". This much more dubious version flatters the pride of modern Albanians, who often call their homeland "the Land of the Eagles". But the Albanians living in Italy and Greece often use the name Arbëri (Arberia) in relation to the homeland of their ancestors - this name is older than Shqipër.

From 229 BC e. The Illyrians were constantly at war with the Romans. Finally, in 167 BC. e. these lands were annexed to Rome, becoming part of the province of Dalmatia.

After the Roman conquest, the local population underwent Romanization, which practically did not affect the highlanders. Mountainous Albania retained a patriarchal way of life even in the XIV century of the new era. The anonymous traveler describes it as follows:

This country is rich in meat, cheese, milk, but not rich in bread and wines, but the nobility has all this in abundance; there are no cities, fortresses, settlements, fortified places or villages, but they live in huts and move from one place to another with their whole family.

Quite different orders were in the cities of the Adriatic coast Lezha, Durres, Vlora and in Shkodra, located on the lake of the same name, connected to the sea by the Buna River: they were active in trade and were famous for their artisans. The cities of Berat, Kruja and Gjirokastra, located in the interior regions of the country, were also developed.

It is known that 7 emperors of Rome were of Illyrian origin, the most famous of them is Diocletian, who, "having retired", spent the rest of his life in his homeland - near the city of Salona (his palace can now be seen in the city of Split). In the future, the Albanian lands survived the invasions of the Visigoths, Huns, Ostrogoths, as well as the Turanik-Bulgarian tribes, and in the 1271th century AD. e. Slavic tribes began to settle in this territory. In 1333, a part of Albania with the center in the city of Durres came under the rule of the crusaders. But almost all the lands of this kingdom, created by Charles I of Anjou, were conquered by other crusaders in 1368 - from the Achaean principality (only the city of Durres held out until 1336), and already in XNUMX this territory was occupied by the Serbs.

Among the Albanian feudal lords of that time, two clans stood out: Topia, whose possessions were located in the south, and Balsha, who owned lands to the north and east of Shkodra. The first Albanian ruler of these lands was Karl Topia, who twice (in 1362-1382 and 1385-1388) managed to gain a foothold in those places (in 1368 he captured Durres) and even received from Pope Gregory XI the title of “great count Albania ". He was Albanian on his father's side (a certain Tanush from the Topia clan later became an associate of the famous Skanderbeg and commanded the Albanian infantry during the second Ottoman siege of the Kruja fortress), and on his mother's side, Karl was descended from the Neapolitan king Roberto of the Angevin dynasty.


Karl Topia by Kostandin Shpataraku, Ardenica Monastery, XNUMXth century

Since 1381, a struggle began in Albania between the clans of Topia and Balsha, in which the former relied on the Ottomans, and the latter on Venice.

On September 15, 1385, in the battle on the Savra plain, Karl Topia, with the help of the Turks, defeated the army of Balsha (the head of this clan died in battle). But three years later, Karl also died, after which the possessions of both princes began to disintegrate into smaller ones. Among the ascended clans was the Kastrioti family, one of whose members was the famous enemy of the Ottomans - George: he was described in the article Albanian warrior and commander Skanderbeg.


Georgy Skanderbeg, portrait from the work of Chalkondil of Athens "History the collapse of the Greek Empire, as well as the creation of the Turkish one ”, illustrated translation by V. de Vigenère Bourbonnois, 1632. Hellenic Library of A. Onassis Foundation

Albania after Skanderbeg


As you remember from the article mentioned above Albanian warrior and commander Skanderbeg, under the leadership of Georgy Kastrioti, Christian Albania for a long time successfully resisted the Ottomans' offensive, repeatedly defeating the armies of the sultans Murad II and Mehmed II Fatih (the Conqueror). Only in 1478, 10 years after the death of Skanderbeg, Kruja fell - the last stronghold of the Albanian resistance. The Turkish army was then led by two renegades: the Albanian Koca Daud Pasha and “either Greek, or Serb, or Albanian” Gedik Ahmed Pasha.

The Islamization of Albania turned out to be very successful - largely because these mountaineers did not attach much importance to the issues of religion. The attitude of the Albanians to religion can be judged by the catch phrase of Gyon Kastrioti, the father of Skanderbeg:

Ku është shpata, është feja! ("Where the saber is, there is faith!")

This phrase should be interpreted as follows: an Albanian in the Ottoman service must go to a mosque, and if he is hired by the Venetians or other Christians, then to the church.

In some Albanian communities, a dual faith persisted: on Fridays, all residents went to the mosque, and on Sundays, to church.

The Albanians of Kosovo and Metohija were the most devoted to Islam. In Kosovo and in the interior mountainous regions, the Sufi order of the Bektashi, the patrons of the Janissaries, had a great influence. On the Adriatic coast of Albania, which had close ties with Venice, many Catholics remained. And in the Greek region of Epirus, many Albanians belonged to the Orthodox Church. In modern Albania, the vast majority of citizens are Sunni Muslims.

The Ottoman authorities highly appreciated the fighting qualities of the warlike Albanians, many of whom made good careers in the Turkish army.


Auguste de Choiseul-Gufier. "Albanian soldiers", 1782

Moreover, in the middle of the 6th century, XNUMX viziers of the Ottoman Empire belonged to the Keprel Albanian clan, this century was even called the "Era of Albanian Viziers". The immigrants from Albania had a great influence in semi-independent Iraq, in which members of one of the Albanian clans traditionally became governors, forming their own dynasty of rulers of Baghdad.

Arnaut mercenaries served in the guards of the Egyptian Pasha, one of them (in full dress) can be seen in Jean-Léon Jerome's painting Arnaut with two whippets (whippet is a small English greyhound), painted in 1867:


Albania was divided into two principalities. The northern one, centered in the city of Shkoder, was ruled by representatives of the Bushati clan.

And the most successful and famous ruler of the southern principality, which also included some Greek lands (northern Epirus), was Ali Pasha Tepelensky and Yaninsky, nicknamed "Yaninsky lion".


And this is how he appears before us in the painting by Louis Despres:


Ali Pasha in the painting "Ali Pasha of Janina Hunting on Lake Butrinto" by Louis Dupre (detail)

A. Dumas included the romanticized story about him in the novel "The Count of Monte Cristo". This French writer remained true to himself, distorting everything and declaring "black is white, and white is black": the fictional daughter of Ali Pasha and the Greek woman Vasilica Gaide tells about the last siege of Ioannina and the betrayal of the French officer Fernand Mondego - the very one that once took a denunciation of Dantes to the prosecutor. French officers were indeed in the service of Ali Pasha, some researchers believe that one of them could have opened the gates of the fortress (others, however, believe that Vasilika herself did it). Thus, Dumas denigrated his unknown compatriot, thanks to whom the surrounding lands were spared from the robber, in turn, declared by the writer to be almost a model of nobility. But this novelist is no stranger, such "quirks" are found in almost every novel.

We remember that the Albanians were used by the Turks to suppress the Moray uprising in 1770. I must say that the Albanians then overdid it, shocking even the Ottomans with their atrocities. It was not even a matter of the humanity of the Turkish rulers, but the fact that they wanted to restore order in Morea and start paying taxes, and not the total destruction of the entire population of this province. In 1779, the Ottomans were forced to send an army to Morea, which defeated the overly zealous "helpers". To make it "clearer" for the Albanians, the Turks after the victory built a mound of several thousand severed heads. But already in 1785, the semi-independent prince of Northern Albania Kara Mahmud Bushati attacked Montenegro, where he even managed to capture Cetinje. New campaigns of Turkish troops against the "disobedient" Albanians ended with the defeat of their army in 1787 and defeat in 1793.


Kara Mahmoud Bushati, portrait by an unknown artist

The Ottomans were forced to make a "good face with a bad game" and "forgive" Mahmud, who, on the courage, invaded Kosovo in 1795, and the next - repeated the campaign against Montenegro. But here luck betrayed this "prince-robber": in alliance with the Brdyans, the Montenegrins defeated his troops, the "Black Mahmud" himself was captured and beheaded. They say that his head was cut off personally by Metropolitan Peter I Petrovic-Njegosh - these were the metropolitans in Montenegro at that time.


Peter I Petrovich-Njegosh, aka Saint Peter of Cetinsky

And the ordinary priests, judging by the illustration below, were also great fellows:


Montenegrin priest, illustration from the book of Stenin P.A. "East: Countries of the Cross and Crescent and their inhabitants." SPb., 1892

After these events, Montenegro actually became an independent state from the Port, but this status was officially approved only in 1878.

Arnauts


The sub-ethnic group of Albanians was the "Arnaut" - as the Turks originally called all Albanians. In the Balkans, the word "arnaut" has become synonymous with mercenaries, in Serbian and Croatian languages ​​it means "cruel", "evil". Vladimir Dal in his dictionary gives the following definition to this word: “a monster, a brutal man, a basurman”.

The Arnauts differed from the inhabitants of Albania in that they professed Orthodoxy and lived in Greece (here they were called Arnavites), Macedonia and Serbia. The Albanians who left their homeland themselves often called the words "tanté" or "nele" - something like "ours" or "ours."


Pavle (Paya) Jovanovitch. "Arnaut"

On the map below, the places of settlement of the Arnouts in the Peloponnese are marked in red:


It is curious that it was the Arnauts who decided to recruit Byron, who arrived in Greece at the end of 1823, to his detachment, promising them a salary of 20 piastres a month.

Part of the Albanian Christians left the borders of the Ottoman Empire. Some of them moved to Italy, which was very close - on the opposite shore of the Adriatic Sea.

The Russian magazine "Around the World" in 1865 gave the following description of the Arnauts who moved to Italy:

Arnauts or Albanians living in the Abruzzo mountains (part of the Apennines), Calabria and Basilicata, partly by the sea coast, and partly in the harsh mountains, are distinguished by a strong physique, pleasant facial features, large, fiery, dark eyes, yellow-brown skin and black, very curly hair. They are mostly engaged in agriculture or in the delivery of various goods. They belong to the Greek Church and have their own white clergy priests. Arnauts differ from Italians especially in neatness and dexterity ... All arnauts ... are in exactly the same relations as in the East, which is especially striking in Italy: Albanians are no more than servants. They are more beautiful than real Italians, but just as unenlightened. Poor Albanians have to cultivate the field, spin and perform various difficult jobs.


Albanians in national dress, 1904

Some Arnauts ended up in Novorossiya - along with other Balkan settlers - Greeks, Serbs, Macedonians, Bulgarians.

The Arnauts settled in Odessa thanks to the favorite of Catherine II, Platon Zubov, who in 1791 ordered Joseph de Ribas to build for the Greeks and Arnauts “for the first time, stone houses with small shops, according to the Asian custom of two varieties. The first - 3, each at a cost of 1500 rubles, and the second - 50, at a cost of 350 rubles.


Gustav-Theodor Pauli. Greek and Arnaut. Drawing from the book "Ethnographic Description of the Peoples of Russia", St. Petersburg, 1862

Arnauts from Western Macedonia originally settled in the Arnautskaya Sloboda of Odessa (another place of their settlement was the village of Arnautovka, which is now called Aleksandrovka and is located on the banks of the Sukhoi estuary). According to one of the versions, the name Arnautskie streets of Odessa was named after the height of its inhabitants. Tall sailors allegedly lived on Bolshaya Arnautskaya, cavalrymen were distinguished by their short stature on Malaya Arnautskaya.

It was on Malaya Arnautskaya Street, according to Ostap Bender, that "all the smuggling was done." One of the authors of the novel “The Twelve Chairs”, Ilya Ilf, who is well acquainted with local realities, lived here in house number 9. The famous Soviet weightlifter V. Zhabotinsky and composer I. Shaferan were also born on this street. On Bolshaya Arnautskaya Street there was a school where grandmaster Efim Geller and composer Oskar Feltsman studied.


School building number 101, a former gymnasium, on Bolshaya Arnautskaya Street in Odessa

In Greece, the majority of Arnouts became Hellenized, in other areas they retained their identity or began to consider themselves Albanians.

Ottoman regiments were also called Arnauts, in which there were no Albanians proper - Bulgarian and Wallachian. Some of these "arnauts" passed to the Russian army of Suvorov near Rymnik and Fokshany. Moreover, the Russian army at the beginning of the XNUMXth century also had its own arnauts - irregular troops recruited from the inhabitants of Moldavia and Wallachia.


Arnaut of the Russian army and the Black Sea Cossack

Some arnouts ended up in the United States.

The Ottomans also encouraged the resettlement of Muslim Albanians to the Serbian regions of Kosovo and Metohija.

Albania on the eve of gaining independence


In the second half of the 1878th century, the Albanians began to claim the creation of their autonomy on the territory of the Ottoman Empire, and they considered many lands that originally belonged to the Serbs, Montenegrins and Macedonians as their own. In the spring of XNUMX, the Albanian Yana Committee, advocating the creation of such autonomy, was created in Constantinople. This summer, as part of the work of the so-called Prizren League, the following mission statement was made:

The goal of our League is not to accept and stay at a distance from any authority other than the Port, and to fight weapons in hands for the protection of the entire territory. Our main goal is to preserve the royal rights of his inviolable majesty the Sultan, our master. Therefore, all those who oppose this and interfere with the world, those who seek to weaken the authority of the authorities, those who help this, will be viewed as enemies of the nation and homeland ...

We will protect our lives, wealth and honor on the basis of the high religious law of Sharia ... If Serbia does not peacefully leave the powerlessly occupied territories, then we will send bashi-bazouks (hackingjilers) against it and will try to occupy those territories to the end, and in that in the same vein we will act against Montenegro ...

Based on this word, we, the representatives of the invincible heroes of Northern Albania, Epirus and Bosnia, those heroes who since birth do not know any other game than weapons, and who are ready to give their blood for the Kingdom, for the nation and for the homeland.



Bashibuzuki

However, the Albanians were not allowed to create even an autonomous principality at that time.

In the following articles, we will talk about the emergence of the independent state of the Albanians and the history of this country in the XX and XXI centuries.
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  1. Korsar4
    Korsar4 6 January 2021 06: 22
    +11
    Traditionally interesting.

    Not a bad idea: on Fridays - to the mosque, on Sundays - to the church.
    If you dedicate the Sabbath day to Jehovah, and some of the twelve holidays fall on the remaining days, then you can live on a day off.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 6 January 2021 11: 38
      +9
      And on Monday fly to Bald Mountain. Not life, but a solid holiday.
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 6 January 2021 13: 09
        +1
        In my opinion, Manichaeism decided to combine everything.
        And then they burned them with pleasure, and without long conversations.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 6 January 2021 13: 49
          +2
          And then they burned them with pleasure,

          Well, it was necessary to somehow have fun, and in those days it was not very good. smile
          Hello Sergey, Merry Christmas! drinks
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 6 January 2021 15: 39
            +3
            Hi Constantine!
            Yes. Christmas Eve. Merry Christmas!

            This is a good holiday option. And you don't need to burn anyone.
            But at Maslenitsa, stuffed animals are still burned. Atavism, however.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 6 January 2021 15: 44
              +2
              With bonfires, it's best all the same.
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 6 January 2021 18: 34
                +2
                The fire is mesmerizing.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 6 January 2021 19: 02
                  +2
                  "Throw a firewood on the fire,
                  Listen honey
                  He is there, and you are on the horns of the devil. "(C)
                  1. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 6 January 2021 20: 39
                    +2
                    “Where are the sprigs of fir - perfume,
                    A gift is the answer to a question ”(c).
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 6 January 2021 22: 01
                      +2
                      "There on unknown paths
                      Traces of unseen animals ... "(c)
                      1. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 6 January 2021 22: 26
                        +1
                        "Bird Sirin
                        It grins happily to me ”(c).
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 6 January 2021 22: 40
                        +1
                        "The bird of happiness of tomorrow
                        Has arrived, ringing wings ... "(c)
                      3. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 6 January 2021 23: 55
                        +1
                        "An ultramarine bird" (c)
                      4. Catfish
                        Catfish 7 January 2021 12: 21
                        +1
                        "Thank you, stork, thank you, bird ..." (c)
                      5. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 7 January 2021 13: 11
                        +2
                        "Peace on Earth" (c).
                      6. Catfish
                        Catfish 7 January 2021 13: 42
                        +3
                        "On the dusty paths of distant planets
                        Our traces will remain! "(C)
                      7. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 7 January 2021 14: 45
                        +2
                        “It's good when in this world
                        There are friends ”(c).
                      8. Catfish
                        Catfish 7 January 2021 14: 53
                        +1
                        "Let's sing, friends, because tomorrow we will go camping ..." (c)
                      9. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 7 January 2021 15: 22
                        +2
                        "Because in the fields a bum
                        The wind sings sweeter than to whom "(s).
                      10. Catfish
                        Catfish 7 January 2021 15: 50
                        +2
                        "A tramp approaches Baikal, takes a fishing boat" (c)
                      11. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 7 January 2021 17: 13
                        +2
                        “Comrade, I cannot keep the watch,
                        The fireman said to the fireman "(c).
                      12. Catfish
                        Catfish 7 January 2021 17: 33
                        +1
                        "Come on, driver, little by little touch
                        And don't forget the song on the way "(c)

                      13. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 7 January 2021 18: 47
                        +2
                        "Conductor, press the brakes" (c).
                      14. Catfish
                        Catfish 7 January 2021 19: 14
                        +1
                        "Our locomotive is flying forward ..." (c)
                      15. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 7 January 2021 20: 27
                        +2
                        “There is no stopping here: but me - please.
                        The bus driver is my best friend "(c).
                      16. Catfish
                        Catfish 7 January 2021 21: 30
                        +1
                        "I lie under the car and breathe" (c)

                      17. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 7 January 2021 21: 48
                        +2
                        “We’ll go and buy a contactless tamper cover,
                        Because, one hundred percent, the fact that it was in her ”(c).
                      18. Catfish
                        Catfish 7 January 2021 22: 05
                        +2
                        "The thing is that in the stagecoach,
                        There are no empty seats "(c)
                      19. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 8 January 2021 01: 58
                        +2
                        "Do not promise a young maiden
                        Eternal love on earth ”(c).
                      20. Catfish
                        Catfish 8 January 2021 11: 48
                        +2
                        "Come on, girls, and well, beauties!" (from)
                      21. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 8 January 2021 13: 29
                        +3
                        "And everyone in aprons - go crazy" (c).
                      22. Catfish
                        Catfish 8 January 2021 13: 43
                        +2
                        "It was all invented by Churchill
                        In the eighteenth year! "(C)
                      23. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 8 January 2021 16: 41
                        +2
                        “Lo and behold: at home Nixon and
                        Georges Pompidou "(c).
                      24. Catfish
                        Catfish 8 January 2021 16: 58
                        +2
                        The wife meets Nixon with one bare chest in front of the matrimonial bed.
                        Nixon slaps his forehead with the palm of his hand.
                        - Honey, I'm sorry, I forgot to call Moshe Dayan.
                      25. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 8 January 2021 20: 42
                        +2
                        “The aggressive beast is a pure pharaoh.
                        Well, where there is aggression, there is no reason for me ”(c).
                      26. Catfish
                        Catfish 8 January 2021 20: 58
                        +1
                        "Past Mecca and Rome,
                        the blue sun of the palima,
                        pilgrims walk the land "(c)
                      27. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 8 January 2021 22: 45
                        +2
                        “The road without end,
                        A road without beginning and end ”(c).
                      28. Catfish
                        Catfish 8 January 2021 22: 50
                        +1
                        "Sand, sand everywhere, the air is dry and white from the heat.
                        Keeps the helmet temple from native sharp arrows "(c)
                      29. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 8 January 2021 23: 57
                        +2
                        "To your health, Fuzzy,
                        For Sudan, your country.
                        First class infidel naked
                        You were a warrior in battle ”(c).
                      30. Catfish
                        Catfish 9 January 2021 00: 00
                        +1
                        "To any of your questions - our simple answer:
                        We have Maxim, but you don’t. ”(C)
                      31. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 9 January 2021 08: 46
                        +1
                        “I'm going to“ Maxim ”, my friends are waiting for me there” (c).
                      32. Catfish
                        Catfish 9 January 2021 14: 14
                        +1
                        "And we are the doormen - open the doors" (c)
                      33. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 9 January 2021 14: 20
                        +1
                        "Take me one ticket to Monte Carlo" (c).
                      34. Catfish
                        Catfish 9 January 2021 14: 25
                        +1
                        "Since then, brothers, I have only one goal in life:
                        Oh, how can I get to this very Marseille!
                        Where the girls dance naked, where the ladies are in sable
                        The lackeys wear wine, and thieves wear a tailcoat! "(C)
                      35. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 9 January 2021 14: 40
                        +1
                        “And they gave me everything I was supposed to.
                        Plus five was given to me by the prosecutor ”(c).
                      36. Catfish
                        Catfish 9 January 2021 14: 42
                        +1
                        "And towards the prosecutor, drala-fu-drala-ya,
                        He is a pure thief on his face, ding-la-la "(c)
                      37. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 9 January 2021 14: 44
                        +1
                        “The rash is now,” said the clerk, substituting the cap:
                        Nut-ka "(c).
                      38. Catfish
                        Catfish 9 January 2021 15: 10
                        +1
                        "And Balda condemned with reproach:
                        "Wouldn't you be chasing, pop, for cheapness" "(c)
                      39. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 9 January 2021 16: 01
                        +1
                        "The third time he threw the net" (c).
                      40. Catfish
                        Catfish 9 January 2021 16: 46
                        +1
                        "And at home in a fur coat with fish fur
                        She will prepare a surprise for me:
                        While I was at the very top
                        She went downstairs with someone ... "(c)
                      41. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 9 January 2021 19: 16
                        +1
                        “I only need to cross the line,
                        How I turn into a kunguru man ”(c).
                      42. Catfish
                        Catfish 9 January 2021 19: 18
                        +1
                        "Ah, this Africa ... Ah, these tropics
                        Where wild elephants and antelopes roam "(c)
                      43. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 9 January 2021 20: 19
                        +1
                        “In general, like this:
                        One giraffe fell in love with an antelope ”(c).
                      44. Catfish
                        Catfish 9 January 2021 20: 43
                        +1
                        "And how can I tell you about the tropical garden,
                        About slender palm trees, about the smell of incredible herbs.
                        You cry? Listen ... far away on Lake Chad
                        An exquisite giraffe wanders. "(C)
                      45. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 9 January 2021 20: 54
                        +1
                        “Pie floats across the Mississippi.
                        In the hippie pie. There are a lot of them ”(c).
                      46. Catfish
                        Catfish 9 January 2021 21: 19
                        +1
                        "Bomb carrier planes fly across the sky,
                        Want to cover us with earth, with your head "(c)
                      47. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 9 January 2021 21: 20
                        +1
                        "And I'm so little" (c).
                      48. Catfish
                        Catfish 9 January 2021 21: 22
                        +1
                        "Hefty goons came out of the hut" (c)
                      49. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 9 January 2021 21: 30
                        +1
                        “- Well, will you eat for me?
                        - Aha! " (from).
                      50. Catfish
                        Catfish 9 January 2021 21: 37
                        +1
                        "So pour a student to a student
                        The students also drink wine,
                        Non-drinking students are rare
                        They have already died out long ago "(c)
                      51. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 9 January 2021 21: 44
                        +1
                        "Now I am the Pope and the Sultan" (c).
                      52. Catfish
                        Catfish 9 January 2021 22: 17
                        +1
                        "In the far south, in the city of Istanbul" (c)
                      53. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 10 January 2021 02: 03
                        +1
                        "We do not need a Turkish coast" (c).
                      54. Catfish
                        Catfish 10 January 2021 12: 29
                        +3
                        "Over Beijing the sky is blue, along the stands, the leaders are slanting
                        So similar to Russia, but still not Russia "(c)
                      55. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 10 January 2021 14: 12
                        +1
                        "The screams of parrots and monkeys are heard" (c).
                      56. Catfish
                        Catfish 10 January 2021 14: 31
                        +1
                        "Everyone there is funny, there they walk naked,
                        Trees and pillars are worshiped there,
                        There crocodiles dive in Nilchik
                        And the hippopotamus splashes in the river "(c)
                      57. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 10 January 2021 15: 19
                        +1
                        “The African Sun is baking from heaven.
                        A river called the Congo flows ”(c).
                      58. Catfish
                        Catfish 10 January 2021 15: 34
                        +1
                        "Aaaa - all to hell! If the capital's snack would be enough for us,
                        We should have a drink with a cannibal from the Yum-Yum tribe! "(C)
                      59. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 10 January 2021 16: 44
                        +1
                        "My uncle, who got the boar,
                        When he was alive, he warned me:
                        You can't take a wife from cannibals ”(c).
                      60. Catfish
                        Catfish 10 January 2021 16: 51
                        +1
                        "My uncle, the most honest rules" (c)
                      61. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 10 January 2021 17: 50
                        0
                        "A malicious smile, eyes - a bugle exactly" (c).
                      62. Catfish
                        Catfish 10 January 2021 18: 47
                        +1
                        "She wheezes, she's dirty
                        And the eye is black and the legs are different "(c)
                      63. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 10 January 2021 19: 02
                        +1
                        "I will gouge out the eye, the other will remain" (c).
                      64. Catfish
                        Catfish 10 January 2021 19: 23
                        +1
                        "The carriage will move, the platform will remain" (c)
                      65. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 10 January 2021 19: 41
                        +1
                        "The conductor is not in a hurry, the conductor understands" (c).
                      66. Catfish
                        Catfish 10 January 2021 19: 55
                        +1
                        "The captain was called" you "that day,
                        The skipper and the cabin boy were equal in talents "(c)
                      67. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 10 January 2021 20: 57
                        +1
                        “Inside him, if a man.
                        If not, grind ”(c).
                      68. Catfish
                        Catfish 10 January 2021 21: 04
                        +1
                        "The rifle sent the right bullet,
                        Lead sang and went "(c)
                      69. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 10 January 2021 21: 16
                        +1
                        "Nine grams in the heart -
                        Wait, don't call ”(c).
                      70. Catfish
                        Catfish 10 January 2021 21: 26
                        +1
                        "Senior Krupennikov emptied my flask,
                        I tried it, I remembered my dear mother
                        And he quickly ran across the field "(c)
                      71. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 10 January 2021 22: 05
                        +1
                        "Eighteenth square, black funnel" (c).
                      72. Catfish
                        Catfish 10 January 2021 22: 14
                        +1
                        "And the square, clinging to the edge, opposes fate -
                        Angry, ridiculous, strange, extreme, insecure. "(C)
                      73. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 10 January 2021 22: 53
                        +1
                        “Since childhood, I did not like the oval.
                        I have been drawing a corner since childhood ”(c).
                      74. Catfish
                        Catfish 10 January 2021 23: 05
                        +1
                        "Painters, dip your brushes
                        into the bustle of the Arbat courtyards and in the dawn "(c)
                      75. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 11 January 2021 07: 08
                        +1
                        "Stand, Marusya, aside" (c).
                      76. Catfish
                        Catfish 11 January 2021 13: 47
                        +1
                        "Like Masha's passion boils in a samovar
                        And the evening looks tenderly out the window "(c)
                      77. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 11 January 2021 15: 31
                        +1
                        "Katya is carefully bargaining" (c).
                      78. Catfish
                        Catfish 11 January 2021 15: 34
                        +1
                        "And I see, she has such a brooch,
                        Even though it is rented,
                        Let them have a little fun "(c)
                      79. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 11 January 2021 19: 19
                        0
                        "Oh, to what, Wan, painted over" (c).
                      80. Catfish
                        Catfish 11 January 2021 19: 30
                        +1
                        "Ivan Ivanovich, for fun,
                        I went to one of my acquaintances ... a lady "(c)
                      81. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 11 January 2021 20: 35
                        +1
                        "Bought powder" (c).
                      82. Catfish
                        Catfish 11 January 2021 20: 41
                        +1
                        "The belt bought her a foam rubber
                        And I went to the ward with her, to the Faceted,
                        And my wife, comrade Paramonova,
                        At this time she was abroad "(c)
                      83. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 11 January 2021 20: 52
                        +1
                        “As a mother I speak, and as a woman:
                        I demand them to answer! " (from).
                      84. Catfish
                        Catfish 11 January 2021 20: 56
                        +1
                        "Come on, damn you,
                        With your faithful oath
                        You and your mother!
                        Live as you want - I left "(c)
                      85. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 11 January 2021 21: 15
                        +1
                        “And then we roamed around Algeria
                        With the delegation of the Central Committee of Trade Unions "(c).
                      86. Catfish
                        Catfish 11 January 2021 22: 48
                        +1
                        "In the sky, the canary is summer and sings right into the horizon,
                        And we will drink, take a walk, but the life of the people has one reason "(c)
                      87. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 11 January 2021 22: 57
                        +1
                        "Eh, stamp your foot,
                        Do not spare your boot "(c).
                      88. Catfish
                        Catfish 11 January 2021 22: 59
                        +1
                        "The raw weight of the boot,
                        Dew on a carbine
                        Taiga all around, one taiga -
                        And we are in the middle. "(C)
                      89. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 11 January 2021 23: 26
                        +1
                        "Under the wing of an airplane sings about something
                        Green Sea of ​​Taiga "(c).
                      90. Catfish
                        Catfish 11 January 2021 23: 38
                        +1
                        "Sixteen tons of dangerous cargo,
                        And so we fly to bomb the Union,
                        Goodbye women, dear brothel,
                        About sixteen tons fell to the ground "(c)
                        And all with the growl of Paul Robson.
                      91. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 12 January 2021 04: 45
                        +1
                        I'm running on scorched earth
                        Slamming the helmet on the move ”(c).
                      92. Catfish
                        Catfish 12 January 2021 12: 45
                        +1
                        "The surveyor told me
                        "Hold on, buddy ..." (c)
                      93. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 12 January 2021 14: 02
                        +1
                        “The doctor cut up and down.
                        He told me: "Hold on, brother!" (from).
                      94. Catfish
                        Catfish 12 January 2021 14: 50
                        +1
                        "A very lively ghoul knocked on the knee,
                        He drove it up and, under the noise, bit my vein "(c)
                      95. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 12 January 2021 18: 15
                        +1
                        "There is blood in our veins, not water" (c).
                      96. Catfish
                        Catfish 12 January 2021 18: 52
                        +1
                        "Our wives - the guns are loaded,
                        These are our wives! "(C)
                      97. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 12 January 2021 19: 53
                        +1
                        "Do not grieve, princess, do not grieve" (c).
                      98. Catfish
                        Catfish 12 January 2021 20: 04
                        +1
                        "Tell me, prince, what scum
                        Divorced at the Kremlin walls "(c)
                      99. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 12 January 2021 20: 06
                        +1
                        “The whole Soviet land wakes up at dawn” (c).
                      100. Catfish
                        Catfish 12 January 2021 20: 11
                        +1
                        "Seething, mighty, invincible by anyone" (c)
                      101. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 12 January 2021 22: 28
                        +1
                        “And I need princesses for nothing.
                        I will win the miracle anyway ”(c).
                      102. Catfish
                        Catfish 12 January 2021 23: 07
                        +2
                        "The serpent Gorynych sat on a tree,
                        Well rock it:
                        Bring out, Rogue, girls,
                        Let them show you something "(c)
                      103. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 12 January 2021 23: 20
                        +1
                        “And all my girlfriends:
                        Leeches and frogs "(c).
                      104. Catfish
                        Catfish 12 January 2021 23: 22
                        +1
                        "Tell the girl to your girlfriend ..." (c)
                      105. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 13 January 2021 01: 23
                        +1
                        'My mother was dona us,
                        And my father was not a don "(s),
                      106. Catfish
                        Catfish 13 January 2021 01: 26
                        +2
                        "Maman sells in the bazaar, papa drives moonshine,
                        Sister walks on the boulevard, money is running from all sides "(c)
                      107. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 13 January 2021 06: 23
                        +1
                        "Give me a copper penny, good sir" (c).
                      108. Catfish
                        Catfish 13 January 2021 06: 25
                        +2
                        "I'm a seventh grade schoolgirl,
                        I drink moonshine instead of kvass, "(c)
                      109. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 13 January 2021 06: 29
                        +1
                        "They teach at school, teach at school, teach at school" (c).
                      110. Catfish
                        Catfish 13 January 2021 07: 00
                        +1
                        "We all learned a little bit Something and somehow" (c)
                      111. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 13 January 2021 07: 09
                        +1
                        "We eat well" (c).
                      112. Catfish
                        Catfish 13 January 2021 07: 20
                        +1
                        "Ah, Tanya, Tanya, Tanechka - this was the case with her,
                        Our Tanechka served in the canteen of the factory "(c)
                      113. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 13 January 2021 20: 24
                        +1
                        “A herring swam in the ocean,
                        Masha with herring tail "(c).
                      114. Catfish
                        Catfish 14 January 2021 11: 14
                        +1
                        "And to this wild coast,
                        knocks with a wave quiet,
                        Terrible Pacific Ocean "(C)
                      115. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 14 January 2021 22: 55
                        +1
                        “And breaking the fog with a wing” (c).
                      116. Catfish
                        Catfish 21 January 2021 20: 12
                        +1
                        "We are chained to the ground in fog,
                        Air War Workers "(c)
                      117. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 22 January 2021 06: 31
                        +1
                        "As the first ancient Greek weightlifter" (c).
                      118. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 January 2021 14: 21
                        +1
                        "The stands began to laugh together,
                        But my ardor did not weaken from ridicule "(c)
                      119. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 22 January 2021 16: 52
                        +2
                        "A galloping horse, and a bird in years,
                        Whose fault? " (from).
                      120. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 January 2021 17: 33
                        +1
                        "Is it my fault that my voice trembled
                        When I sang songs to him "(c)
                      121. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 22 January 2021 18: 49
                        +2
                        "So trust people after that!" (from).
                      122. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 January 2021 19: 09
                        +1
                        "People of the world, stand up for a minute!" (C)
                      123. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 22 January 2021 19: 37
                        +2
                        "How many thoughts he leads" (c).
                      124. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 January 2021 19: 51
                        +1
                        "And Butkeev thought I was crushing my ribs,
                        That life is good, that life is good "(c)
                      125. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 22 January 2021 20: 42
                        +2
                        “I am not a coward, but I am afraid” (c).
                      126. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 January 2021 21: 13
                        +1
                        "And you, fool, were afraid ...
                        Even the skirt is not wrinkled "(c)
                      127. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 22 January 2021 21: 32
                        +2
                        “Who doesn't know Lyubochka?
                        Everyone knows Lyuba ”(c).
                      128. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 January 2021 21: 51
                        +1
                        "In a blue T-shirt, a Komsomol girl is coming" (c)
                      129. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 22 January 2021 22: 12
                        +2
                        "Red rings" (c).
                      130. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 January 2021 23: 30
                        +1
                        "And you, such a redhead, you are always young,
                        And where don't touch you, everywhere you have fire! "(C)
                      131. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 22 January 2021 23: 34
                        +2
                        "And the green of my eyes, and a gentle voice" (c).
                      132. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 January 2021 23: 38
                        +1
                        "If I were a Turkish sultan, I would take you as my wife" (c)
                      133. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 22 January 2021 23: 41
                        +2
                        "If you want, be the sixth" (c).
                      134. Catfish
                        Catfish 23 January 2021 00: 14
                        +1
                        "A friend is always ready to yield ..." (c)
                      135. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 23 January 2021 00: 16
                        +2
                        "And any mountains are up to my shoulder" (c).
                      136. Catfish
                        Catfish 23 January 2021 15: 46
                        +3
                        "Only women can be better than mountains,
                        Which I haven't been to yet "(S. well, almost)))
                      137. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 23 January 2021 18: 56
                        +2
                        “Maybe two, maybe three,
                        But this is not for us "(c).
                      138. Catfish
                        Catfish 23 January 2021 19: 03
                        +1
                        "One - two - three, you look at me" (c)
                      139. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 23 January 2021 20: 12
                        +2
                        "Look into the eyes of monsters" (c),
                      140. Catfish
                        Catfish 23 January 2021 20: 19
                        +1
                        "And from them was a three-headed serpent
                        And his servant is a vampire "(c)
                      141. Catfish
                        Catfish 23 January 2021 20: 21
                        +1
                        Seryozha, we are leaving the Ottomans, this branch hardly loads on my ancient laptop.
                      142. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 23 January 2021 20: 30
                        +1
                        Agreed
                        Two stubborn people.
                        At least the technique gives the signal to stop.
  2. Phil77
    Phil77 9 January 2021 08: 54
    +2
    Quote: Korsar4

    +2
    “The road without end,
    A road without beginning and end "(c)

    But it was a great movie, eh? And the music!
  3. Korsar4
    Korsar4 9 January 2021 08: 59
    +2
    I haven't watched the movie. And the song is one of those that I listen and re-listen. In her alone is the whole world.
  4. Phil77
    Phil77 9 January 2021 09: 02
    +2
    Quote: Korsar4
    the whole world.

    And the performer is good! Albert Assadulin. Master!
  5. Korsar4
    Korsar4 9 January 2021 09: 25
    +1
    I haven't heard a single song except this one. It is impossible not to remember. Overflows, transitions. Maestro.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 6 January 2021 15: 47
    +3
    Or so.

    But in no other way. smile
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 6 January 2021 18: 35
      +2
      "Sit out -
      And support the hearth "(c).
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 6 January 2021 20: 36
        +1
        Quote: Korsar4
        support

        Wise! Let's just.
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 6 January 2021 20: 45
          +2
          So it was with Vysotsky. "Love in the Stone Age". And you cannot erase a word from a song.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 6 January 2021 20: 56
    +2
    Quote: Korsar4
    But at Maslenitsa, stuffed animals are still burned. Atavism, however.

    Pagan feast, and among the pagans it was customary to burn the dead. Winter has died, and they burn it. request By the way, at the funeral they had more fun than grieving.
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 6 January 2021 20: 59
      +2
      Yes. The origins of the pagan holiday. Then the imposition of Christianity. And so many where.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 6 January 2021 21: 08
        +4
        Quote: Korsar4
        Then the imposition of Christianity.

        By the way, an interesting discrepancy in dating is the date of the birth of Christ according to human calendars, and the date of death (crucifixion) according to the lunar, and very accurately tied to the pagan Shrovetide. laughing
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 6 January 2021 21: 11
          +1
          It is explained, as far as I remember, by the fact that Christmas is an earthly event, and death and resurrection are cosmic. "Death trampled upon death."
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 6 January 2021 21: 37
            +2
            Quote: Korsar4
            It is explained, as far as I remember, by the fact that

            One of my favorite films. * Artificial Intelligence *. Remember? About the robotic kid? And the point is ..... oooogoooo! No?
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 6 January 2021 21: 41
              +1
              No. I just didn't get caught. I have solid gaps in my filmography. Lexus reminded about Carmen.

              And the movie is interesting. And the colors are beautiful, but in the first 25 minutes I stopped. Maybe I'll continue.
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 January 2021 06: 50
    +7
    Valery thank you for the essay about Albanians with coffee with milk and a huge gratitude for the entire Balkan cycle!
    Regards, Vlad!
    Ps I love to learn new things!
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 6 January 2021 08: 22
    +9
    Some Arnauts ended up in Novorossiya - along with other Balkan settlers - Greeks, Serbs, Macedonians, Bulgarians.

    Arnaut is a very common surname in Bessarabia today.
    1. Tochilka
      Tochilka 6 January 2021 09: 46
      +8
      In one of the shifts, my operators were with the surname Arnaut. Her character was not easy. But as a worker, there were no questions.
      1. VLR
        6 January 2021 10: 08
        +6
        By the way, there is a French surname Arnaut, in Russian it sounds like Arno
        1. VLR
          6 January 2021 10: 16
          +9
          There is an artist Viktor Arnautov: a participant in the Civil War on the side of the whites (warrant officer of Drozdovsky's division), in exile - a student of Diego Rivera, in San Francisco, decorated metro stations and the house of the World Library, was a professor at Stanford University. He returned to the USSR in 1963, worked in the city of Zhdanov (Mariupol), including creating a monument to the victims of the Nazis. He designed the air terminal in this city.
  • VLR
    6 January 2021 09: 30
    +8
    Here is such a burning beauty Gaide - the daughter of the Albanian prince-robber Ali-Pasha Tepelensky and Yaninsky was invented by A. Dumas:

    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 6 January 2021 09: 54
      +7
      The main thing is character. Who else could match the Count of Monte Cristo.
  • VLR
    6 January 2021 09: 36
    +9
    A family idyll in A. Dumas's novel: tired of slaughtering Greeks, Serbs and everyone else, Ali Pasha rests in the company of his beloved Greek wife Vasilika and their invented daughter Gaide. At the time of the death of this prince, Vasilika was 18 years old, I wonder how old, according to Dumas, she gave birth to Gaide? At 13? Plus or minus a year, I guess.

  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 6 January 2021 11: 08
    +10
    And in Greece there is a common phrase "naive Albanian". ))
    1. VLR
      6 January 2021 11: 44
      +9
      And in Turkey there is a saying:
      "Why are you standing like Arnavut's daughter-in-law?"
      The fact is that in Turkey, the daughter-in-law must serve everyone during family feasts. And with arnauts, apparently, this is not accepted.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 6 January 2021 12: 46
        +7
        Valery, thank you, as always there are many new things for me. Now at least for Odesu I know where Arnautskaya street came from and what it means (ay, yes Zubov))), otherwise the local shmurdyuk was drinking there with the citizens of Odessa and listening to stories from the life of the city, but not a word about it. There was one amateur local historian named Zhoga, who told a lot of interesting things, including what exactly you can "see at Duke's, standing on the fourth manhole cover." smile
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 6 January 2021 13: 03
        +1
        The Arnauts have a daughter-in-law for the entourage)).
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 6 January 2021 13: 04
          0
          Poor girls. laughing
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 6 January 2021 13: 24
            +2
            Why poor? A tray with sand on your head, put it in a chair - and an ashtray)). Practical and inexpensive. fellow
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 6 January 2021 13: 47
              +5
              Yeah, like in that joke:
              - And what will you do, Little Johnny, when you take off the girl's panties?
              - I'll pull out the rubber band and make a slingshot. laughing
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 6 January 2021 15: 52
                +1
                Ideal woman - flat head and ears at the waist? laughing
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 6 January 2021 16: 29
                  +2
                  A matter of taste. laughing
        2. VLR
          6 January 2021 13: 48
          +4
          "The Arnauts have a daughter-in-law for entourage"
          That is, do you think you need to understand what she stands and doesn't dare say a word? The meaning of the phrase "why do you stand like Arnauts daughter-in-law" - why are you so "downtrodden"?
          Or something like that?
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 6 January 2021 15: 53
            +5
            Probably yes hi
        3. Catfish
          Catfish 6 January 2021 22: 33
          +2
          Arnauts swooped down, minuses instructed, in a shame ... laughing
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 6 January 2021 22: 39
            +2
            Yes, I cannot fall asleep from these minuses .. crying
            And the arnouts and "enemies of the communists" swooped in (c)
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 6 January 2021 22: 44
              +3
              "Sleep, my joy, sleep! The lights went out in the house;
              The bees fell silent in the garden, Fish fell asleep in the pond. "(from)
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 6 January 2021 22: 49
                +2
                Eun gradine lui yon
                Toate peserele dorm ... (c)
                Like everyone fell asleep in Vanya's garden, but I can't
                Thinking about the cons of Orthodox Albanians ..
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 6 January 2021 23: 01
                  +1
                  In short, they turned gray for nothing ... laughing
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 6 January 2021 23: 18
                    +2
                    What you go gray you will find recourse
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 7 January 2021 10: 49
                      +2
                      Merry Christmas, Arkady! smile
                      And in what language it is - "Toate peserele dorm .." And then people laugh with delight, they ask me, but I don't know. request
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 7 January 2021 13: 10
                        +2
                        Merry Christmas, Innokenty! drinks
                        Toate peserele dorm - all the birds are sleeping)).
                        Pacerele is a bird in Moldavian, and lines from the popular Soviet song Ioane, which was sung by Sofia Rotaru fellow
                        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=epo_k6nJJuU
                        Sincerely,
                        Albert hi
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 7 January 2021 13: 39
                        +2
                        Innokenty - Arkady!
                        laughing
                        And I didn’t even really drink, a residual phenomenon, go. drinks
                        "On the question of birds ..." (c) smile
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 7 January 2021 13: 48
                        +3
                        Constantine, birds - pasirele, curtains in Moldavian - perdelele. But all this pales before the Arabic "my brother" - Ahuy (literary Arabic, dear moderators), the Chinese Wanghui - "meeting" and the Jewish Shuyet "rights". But what I like most about Hebrew is Pisga Shel Meshulash - the top of the triangle fellow
                      4. Catfish
                        Catfish 7 January 2021 13: 59
                        +1
                        At one time, the Swedes had a minesweeper called "Mude", you can look at the ship composition in the book "Handbook of the fleets of foreign states" for the beginning of the sixties.
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                      6. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 7 January 2021 14: 24
                        +2
                        On Finnish EMNIP Jopa discount
                        The sale sites look like this
                        https://www.cellbes.fi/ale-juuri-nyt-jopa-30-21467/sorting$_score,Descending/paging$1,50
                        Jopa 60%
                        And imagine how many such inscriptions in this country during the seasonal sales on the shop windows fellow
                      7. Catfish
                        Catfish 7 January 2021 14: 48
                        +2
                        laughing I will not even introduce - one continuous Jopa.
                      8. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 7 January 2021 15: 05
                        +2
                        Average - thirty percent laughing
                      9. Catfish
                        Catfish 7 January 2021 15: 15
                        +3
                        Thirty percent, where is this? laughing
                      10. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 7 January 2021 15: 26
                        +2
                        Bottom row - third from left
                      11. Catfish
                        Catfish 7 January 2021 15: 39
                        +2
                        Oh yeah! Your Excellency has taste! soldier
  • VLR
    6 January 2021 13: 32
    +4
    You can't write everything in a small article. I'll add a little. Here is what Suvorov wrote on May 7, 1793 in a letter to Turchaninov about "his" arnauts:
    "Arnauts who did not want to settle and to the Cossack title from the equestrian volunteers ... 1135 people asking for apshits for residence ...
    left as before in the service with a salary and provisions so that if during the coming summer there is no need for them in military service, then transfer under the guise of service to the left side of the Dnieper River and, far from the border, place them in Bakhmut and Donetsk districts, in order to they were insensitively able to supply within Russia. "
  • Catfish
    Catfish 6 January 2021 13: 40
    +9
    I tried to figure out the armament of the heroic shiptar scoundrels, and there, as always, there was a "hodgepodge".

    With rifles everything is simple - British "Martini-Henry" arr. 1871.

    But with the revolver it was more difficult, the photo was of poor quality. But by the shape of the handle, the drum, and given the close proximity, he suggested that it was an Austrian "Gasser" arr. 1873 year.

    People lived richly ... for those times. smile
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 6 January 2021 14: 01
    +6
    Good material, interesting, a lot of new things. Sometimes I am amazed at Valery's work - I read his article and some sensations, like, "Yes, yes, I once knew all this and even remembered ..." Although I did not know and could not remember. In general, the information that Valery gives out, as a rule, lies on the surface, we all "heard something", "read something" about this, but what, when, where and what was eventually read and heard personally I can't say it clearly.
    In short, Valery, another thanks. smile hi
    Touched by this:
    Dumas denigrated his unknown compatriot, thanks to whom the surrounding lands were delivered from the robber, in turn, declared by the writer to be almost a model of nobility. But this novelist is no stranger, such "quirks" are found in almost every novel.

    Dumas is an artist. He did not set himself the goal of educating readers at all - only entertainment. Personally, I would not have raised my hand to reproach him, even if Ali Pasha had a nimbus with wings, and a dragon, for example, burned his dwelling. "The Count of Monte Cristo" is a fairy tale with all the attributes of a fabulous plot, a little older the scenery and add a little magic, and it will be quite suitable fantasy.
    But it is from your lips, Valery, that it is somehow especially touching to hear such reproaches. smile
    1. VLR
      6 January 2021 15: 11
      +8
      The problem is that A. Dumas is perceived by many as the author of historical novels. And many perceive the history of France through the prism of his work. And they put his novel almost on a par with the books of Maurice Druon. If he was positioned as the author of fantasy books - and there would be no conversation.
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 6 January 2021 15: 28
        +7
        I think that this is not Dumas's fault, but his misfortune.
        I think it's not worth reproaching the author for the fact that his fantasies are taken seriously by a certain category of citizens. If I am not mistaken, Dumas himself said something like “history is the nail on which I hang my paintings” and did not claim to be the author of “historical novels”. If the poor man knew that in a hundred and fifty years the history of France would be studied according to "Two Dianes", "Queen Margot" and "Countess de Monsoreau", or the history of Albania according to the fate of unfortunate Hayde, he would simply have been hit. laughing
        He did not even set himself the task of simply "arousing interest" in history, as, for example, Pikul did. Dumas simply composed, invented, fantasized. In other words, he was telling a lie, something that never happened, and everyone knew it very well. But, apparently, over time, this knowledge was lost ... smile
        1. VLR
          6 January 2021 20: 49
          +3
          Quote: "I think this is not Dumas's fault, but his misfortune"
          Unfortunately, Dumas deliberately and purposefully falsified history and, it seems, received some kind of perverted voluptuous pleasure from this process. You can also somehow explain the lie about Ali Pasha in Monte Cristo - they say, where is France and where is Albania. But Dumas knew that Richelieu - the most prominent statesman of France - and presented him as some kind of petty vain and vindictive temporary worker, and his enemies (and state criminals - the Musketeers who betrayed France and their king) - positive heroes. And with Mazarin, also a major French politician, Dumas did no better. He also could not help but know that de Bussy is a scoundrel and scoundrel, but in "The Countess of Monsoreau", as if mocking and mocking the readers, molds him into a positive hero. And so almost everywhere and always. This is not an accident, but a trend.
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 January 2021 22: 08
            0
            Quote: VlR
            But Dumas knew that Richelieu - the most outstanding statesman of France - and made him look like some petty vain and vindictive temporary worker, and his enemies (and state criminals - the Musketeers who betrayed France and their king) - were positive heroes

            Don't know Valery? My field of reading in my youth developed just the opposite opinion in relation to Richelieu, as a smart, perceptive person and caring about Fraue, in contrast to the windbag of the musketeers, who were cool, but for the sake of momentary benefits. And sometimes not in favor of the Fatherland.
          2. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 6 January 2021 22: 39
            +1
            Well, Richelieu is ready to argue about the image. He did not seem to me to be a small temporary worker - on the contrary, as the hero of the novel, he was bred as a formidable, intelligent and talented statesman. It was just that the novel needed a "genius villain" who would be opposed by the heroes, and Richelieu was perfect for this role. Oliver Cromwell got exactly the same role in "Twenty Years Later". In addition, I, in my opinion, already spoke about this, when we discussed your article on the Musketeers, Dumas described in his novels not historical figures, but contemporaries, and the morality and actions of his heroes correspond to the XIX century, and not the XVI-XVII ...
            We need to delve deeper into the era when these novels were written and, most likely, we will find much more parallels with Dumas' contemporaries in the images of Mazarin, Louis XIII and XIV, and Colbert and others.
            As for Bussy, in general, with how you assessed his personality, we can agree, although I would not be so categorical and harsh. Dumas needed a romantic hero, an ideal knight, and Bussy was fit for this like no other - a hero-lover, a breaker, a romantic doom. And the fact that he was actually a great bastard - so then everyone was like that. Bussy was just brighter - so he was chosen for the role of the hero.
            Dumas, it seems to me, generally chose heroes for himself on some superficial grounds and sculpted from them what he liked, cynically spitting on everything else. And, by the way, I don’t think that he was sitting in his pants studying chronicles and archives (and there were no serious works on history at that time), but most likely he read the poems of the same Bussy, as he read the memoirs of La Rochefoucauld.
            I am deeply convinced that Dumas did not deliberately misinterpret the story - he simply did not care about it, nothing more.
            By the way, maybe you, Valery, will be interested in the idea of ​​analyzing which of his contemporaries did Dumas have in mind when creating certain images in novels? For example, a very bright and characteristic image of Mazarin, or not so bright, but also remarkable image of deEpernon in "Forty-five"? And as for "Viscount de Bragelon", then, in my opinion, there is a whole scattering of satirical images, written simply from nature.
            I wonder if there are already such studies? Surely there is ...
            1. Alexander Trebuntsev
              Alexander Trebuntsev 7 January 2021 11: 57
              +1
              Dumas deliberately sculpted de Bussy into a hero. He was actually a relative of him, as far as I remember. And basically Dumas took his upside-down stories from the memoirs of Uncle de Bussy. He just turned everything upside down, whitewashing relatives, and Dumas echoed and embellished him.
          3. oprovergatel
            oprovergatel 7 January 2021 04: 01
            +3
            I will not reproduce exactly now, but the general meaning is as follows:

            I realized that I had matured when, at the next reading / viewing of The Three Musketeers, I began to root for Richelieu - a patriot and statesman, under whose feet a bunch of goofs always get confused, right and left betraying the interests of their country and their king!
      2. Phil77
        Phil77 6 January 2021 18: 08
        +3
        Quote: VlR
        A. Dumas is perceived by many as the author of historical novels.

        Greetings Valery! Well, perhaps this is not the problem of the author, but of those who * perceive * history through the prism of historical novels? Although ... this is also the popularization of history as a science? After reading the novel, there is a desire to find out what it was like .. .This conditional-Robert d'Artois? But in general, excuse me, I'm in a mild form of melancholy, after the MFM.
        Yes, yes! Merry Christmas to you and all the respectable company!
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 6 January 2021 16: 43
      +5
      Hello Michael, Merry Christmas. hi
      "The Count of Monte Cristo" is a fairy tale with all the attributes of a fabulous plot, a little older the scenery and add a little magic, and it will be quite suitable fantasy.

      ... to "awaken interest" in history, as, for example, Pikul did.

      Interestingly, for some reason I also remembered Pikul, after all, at first I took his writings quite seriously, until I came across "Requiem for an escort", about a story about which I had not "heard something", but about which I already knew a lot ... After that, he perceived any of his books as outright lies. That's right, write fairy tales and don't pretend to know the historical truth and the ultimate truth.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 6 January 2021 18: 24
        +2
        Quote: Sea Cat
        scribble

        Konstantin, buddy! So after all, they, the authors, never positioned themselves as the truth of the last resort, eh? There is history, but there are historical NOVELIES. No? Have read, read and will read these glorious masters! And thank them for their work, but for those who are already interested in how it was all in fact there is such a thing as documentary filmmaking and memoirs. Although? Are there not enough questions for them? Year of publication, author, who was in power at the time of publication. And the most important question! Benefit of the author! He wrote messy, but ...
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 6 January 2021 18: 57
          +1
          Hello Seryozha!
          So after all, they, the authors, never positioned themselves as the ultimate truth, eh?

          Many - yes, but this does not apply to Valentin Savich. Otherwise I agree almost completely.
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 6 January 2021 19: 01
            +1
            Quote: Sea Cat
            oh to Valentin Savvich

            Yes, he was just one of many ... who was published. If I'm not mistaken, did * Favorite * make him famous?
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 6 January 2021 19: 05
              +2
              At that time he stood out sharply against the background of the general dullness of Soviet literature, I mean contemporary to him and to us, sinners. So he was not "one of many", he was read, he was believed, and therefore the demand was greater from him.
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 6 January 2021 19: 12
                +1
                Time frame, my friend! Time frame. * Favorite * first published in 86? * Ocean patrol * in 54. Lots of time !!! No?
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 6 January 2021 19: 17
                  +1
                  As far as I remember, these are completely diverse books.
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 6 January 2021 19: 24
                    +1
                    Quote: Sea Cat
                    versatile books.

                    Here !!!! And I'm talking about it! The time is changing, the author is changing, what the POWER demands of him is changing! Question! Savvich has changed? Yes! In the conventional * west * in the work of writers this is imperceptible. Why?
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 6 January 2021 19: 29
                      +2
                      He did not change, he made a Name for himself and could afford to write not by order (or "within the framework"), but to write what he considered necessary and what he wanted to write. I don't care much about his "favorites", I'm talking about the history of the fleet, which I knew better than many at that time even without him.
                      1. Phil77
                        Phil77 6 January 2021 19: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        many

                        Many, or about individuals?
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 6 January 2021 19: 46
                        +1
                        "Many", this is from among those with whom I then communicated, and there were various people, including professional historians.
                      3. Phil77
                        Phil77 6 January 2021 19: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        professional historians

                        My friend! Again the question! Who of those with whom you communicated could write a novel? But he could! Yes! And he raised the question of history for many, no? Well, many have such requests, they have ... * For, Who am I?*
                      4. Catfish
                        Catfish 6 January 2021 20: 11
                        +1
                        Everyone is doing their job, good or bad - another question.

                        "He'll put the key and the tow in his pocket and probably won't write a novel." (C)
                2. Phil77
                  Phil77 6 January 2021 20: 44
                  -1
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  He hasn't changed

                  Here, yes, I agree, but in what? Friend, he wrote as he wrote. But it was * Favorite * that made him famous !!!! My friend, don't argue who knew him before? Few. Well, no, eh?
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 6 January 2021 19: 18
          +1
          Quote: Sea Cat
          the general dullness of Soviet literature

          Well ... the grayness of literature? The concept is controversial and philosophical through and through. But in that * bourgeois * world? Was it different? There are and have always been splashes in literature, cinema, sports, especially!
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 6 January 2021 19: 25
            +1
            I did not live in "that bourgeois world" and what happened there and is happening now, this is their business - not mine. Because what is happening with us now ... well, okay, let's better about muir literature. smile
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 6 January 2021 19: 32
              +1
              Quote: Sea Cat
              Mumarny

              Translate, pliz?
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 6 January 2021 19: 44
                +2
                In Vakhtangov, they staged "Princess Turandot", so there Pantaloshka was going to write Mumuars. ))
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 6 January 2021 19: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  Mumir

                  My friend! So this is a question to whom ????? I'm afraid again to fall on the mat, but ... who and what? Interferes with another vision of the director? And what prevents the same audience from throwing the actors and * cutting * tomatoes? Political Correctness?
                2. Catfish
                  Catfish 6 January 2021 20: 15
                  +1
                  And what does the director's vision have to do with it? I'm not talking about that, you asked to translate "Mumuars" - I translated, and the actors, tomatoes and the audience have nothing to do with it.))
                3. Phil77
                  Phil77 6 January 2021 20: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  I grew up to translate "Mumuars" - I translated, but the actors, tomatoes and the audience have nothing to do with it.))

                  And, my friend, what's more! Theater, where does it begin? You can ask * Tatra *, eh? * For theatrical whistle *! laughing
                4. Catfish
                  Catfish 6 January 2021 21: 54
                  +1
                  Translation is now required from you, sir. wassat
  • Phil77
    Phil77 6 January 2021 19: 07
    +1
    Quote: Sea Cat
    fully

    Konstantin! Here is such a thing as * Memories and reflections * of Zhukov. Here is how to treat them? What is it? Really? A lie? Market situation / year of publication /? What is it? And what is * Iron King * Druoona? Where is the border, my friend? Where is the border between truth and ... just .... thinking? No! Author's right to his vision-HISTORY?
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 6 January 2021 19: 21
      +5
      After reading Zhukov's memoirs, I got the impression that this whole book is one continuous giant "I", much closer to me was Admiral Kuznetsov's book "Course to Victory", and the author himself is much more pleasant in human terms than the "victory marshal" appointed from above.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 6 January 2021 19: 31
        +1
        Quote: Sea Cat
        marshal of victory

        Friendship !!!! So this is the question! How can you believe the memoirs? And then, what ... well, I don’t know. I was taught to believe different sources ... in general different.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 6 January 2021 19: 48
          +3
          Believe in memoirs? Memoirs are written by people, history is also written by people. It's not a question of faith, take different authors and filter information. And I'm not sure that you will get to the truth ... request
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 6 January 2021 20: 04
            0
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Believe in memoirs

            Question: Yes. Whom to believe? Well ... the options are different. I definitely don’t believe the light boiler!
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 6 January 2021 20: 12
              +3
              Question: Yes, who should I believe?


              Believe yourself, that's enough.
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 6 January 2021 20: 17
                +2
                Quote: Sea Cat
                Believe yourself, that's enough

                No, I have many people whom I believe. Brother, wife, children ... But ... you understand.
              2. Catfish
                Catfish 6 January 2021 20: 34
                +2
                I was not talking about the family.
              3. Phil77
                Phil77 6 January 2021 23: 56
                +1
                Quote: Sea Cat
                говорил

                Whom to believe, and where is she? History?
  • Phil77
    Phil77 6 January 2021 19: 39
    0
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Zhukov

    Here, my friend, I may be wrong. But .... In these years we do not have personalities! Koi were then. And nowhere! In politics, Putin ?, in sports? / Yes, full of diverse, but no-Harlamovs, Esposito, Gascoigne /, in culture? Sad in general. There are different, but the same. The world is at a dead end? Yes! And in the darkness! Where are the new? GREAT?
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 6 January 2021 21: 06
      +1
      Do Roger Federer and Magnus Carlsen count?
      The first ones that came to mind.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 7 January 2021 00: 04
        +1
        Quote: Korsar4
        Roger Federer and Magnus Carlsen

        Sergey, this is so. Personalities, no? And personalities, eh !!!!!
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 7 January 2021 00: 12
          +2
          Carslen has dominated as few people before him. Another thing is that it is difficult to compare. The rating does not count. And it takes time to grow into legends.

          Let's try another search: for example, Bjoerndalen.
      2. Phil77
        Phil77 7 January 2021 00: 09
        +1
        Quote: Korsar4
        Roger Federer and Magnus Carlsen

        Sport! And culture? Where is our EVERYTHING?
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 7 January 2021 00: 13
          +2
          I wonder what I know about "culture"?

          Is Kamburov considered?
      3. Phil77
        Phil77 7 January 2021 00: 26
        +2
        Quote: Korsar4
        The first ones that came to mind

        Sergei, should I go to bed? See you tomorrow!
  • Phil77
    Phil77 6 January 2021 20: 12
    +2
    Quote: Phil77
    STORIES

    Question. * Who seeks, he will find * You cannot trust anyone! The world has gone crazy, this is a fact, objectively.
  • Alexander Trebuntsev
    Alexander Trebuntsev 7 January 2021 11: 59
    +2
    Before reading the Pikul Requiem, I first read the English book "The Defeat of the PQ-17 Caravan". Pikul's requiem afterwards was perceived as simply low-demand cheap.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 7 January 2021 12: 18
      +1
      Samuel Morrison also has more details about this, and on the German side, Friedrich Ruge in his book "War at Sea 1939-1945, you also need to read with a" filter ", but about the PQ-17, the assessments and conclusions of the American and the German match.
      Merry Christmas, Alexander! drinks
  • Undecim
    Undecim 6 January 2021 14: 25
    +6
    famous Soviet weightlifter V. Zhabotinsky
    Here the author, of course, was mistaken, moreover, many times. First, the famous Soviet weightlifter was called Leonid Ivanovich Zhabotinsky. His brother Vladimir has never been involved in weightlifting.
    Secondly, Zhabotinsky never lived in Odessa. He was born in the Kharkov region, in the village of Uspenka, and lived most of his life in Zaporozhye.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 6 January 2021 15: 56
      +6
      The author confused him a little with another Zhabotinsky, whom Mussolini called "Jewish Duce", and David Ben Gurion, having changed Benito's words, "Volodya Hitler", to which Vladimir Evgenievich was terribly offended laughing
      1. VLR
        6 January 2021 16: 11
        +3
        Yes, alas, with him, now checked
      2. Undecim
        Undecim 6 January 2021 16: 12
        +4
        Wolf Evnovich Zhabotinsky is a versatile personality, but he was not noticed in weightlifting.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 6 January 2021 17: 44
          0
          Gorky spoke of him as a talented writer))
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 6 January 2021 20: 32
      0
      Quote: Undecim
      Zaporozhye

      Victor Nikolaevich, dear! What do you think, with this definition, that * the world has gone crazy *? I'm afraid not today, but definitely not yesterday. But where? Where was it * the point of no return *? Your definition?
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 6 January 2021 20: 35
        +1
        Yesterday in time gone by
        I seemed crazy to myself
        And now I understand, ehma!
        That the world around has gone crazy!
        To be honest, I did not understand the connection between Zaporozhye and world madness. Can you clarify the question?
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 6 January 2021 21: 23
          +1
          Quote: Undecim
          To be honest, I did not understand the connection between Zaporozhye and world madness. Can you clarify the question?

          Elementary. The world of Zaporozhye, the world through the looking glass, the world ... the whole world.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 6 January 2021 21: 41
            +2
            No, we have, of course, problems, but we have not yet reached the Looking Glass.
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 7 January 2021 00: 13
          0
          Quote: Undecim
          Can you clarify the question?
          Reply

          Yes! Russia!
  • VLR
    6 January 2021 15: 19
    +4
    More from not included in the article (and it's a pity). Look what a "chic" soldier-arnaut from the Balaklava regiment is here:

  • VLR
    6 January 2021 15: 21
    +4
    And here is an Arnaut next to a Turkish soldier (British lithography of the 1850s):

    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 6 January 2021 15: 57
      +5
      Judging by the smile of Arnaut, he had already blown and passed it to his Turkish colleague))
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 6 January 2021 16: 31
      +1
      And which of them - who? In my opinion, both are badass.
      1. acetophenon
        acetophenon 6 January 2021 16: 57
        +3
        The Turks did not wear skirts.
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 6 January 2021 17: 45
        +3
        Quote: Sea Cat
        And which of them - who? In my opinion, both are badass.

        Arnaut - who is already well))
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 6 January 2021 18: 11
          +4
          "- And you, dear, should you drink some weed if you feel well.
          - Well, doctor, you give! You also tell me - to smoke syringes! "
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 6 January 2021 21: 05
            +2
            And Schaub didn't drink me hashish in bars (c) negative
    3. Undecim
      Undecim 6 January 2021 18: 24
      +3
      "I hammered a joint into the tube tight,
      And I thought - I'll treat my friend ... "
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 6 January 2021 18: 35
        +4
        Quote: Undecim
        I hammered a joint into the tube tight
        And I thought - I'll treat my friend ... "

        Oh, Victor Nikolaevich! I looked at the site, read the article, comments, and ... slowly began to leave !!! Both 0-5 and 1-4. It's good when there is a site, and interesting authors and commentators.
        Merry Christmas, you !!! All the best !!!
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 6 January 2021 18: 38
          +3
          Thank you and Merry Christmas.
        2. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 6 January 2021 21: 27
          +4
          Sergey, I completely agree. It's good when interesting materials, otherwise I missed interesting materials and informative comments.
          I'm ALREADY tired of the barrage of anger.
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 7 January 2021 09: 03
            +1
            Quote: Astra wild2

            I'm already tired of the flurry of anger

            Vera! Merry Christmas!
            Alas, it was, is and will be as long as a person exists. Just believe that there are many, many more good people than bad people. I believe in this!
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 7 January 2021 11: 56
              +2
              Quote: Phil77
              .I believe in it!

              Now I look at my wife lying next to me and think about what?
              "Did I love you in 93? Yes! You! Do I love you today as I did yesterday? Yes! So we are looking for happiness somewhere? It is near! Next to you, friend!"
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 7 January 2021 12: 04
                +1
                Quote: Phil77
                Next to you, friend!

                I forgot to add! I love her! I love her as in the 93rd! Happiness and who knows the answer?
              2. Astra wild2
                Astra wild2 7 January 2021 14: 28
                +1
                You +: fascinated by your words
            2. Astra wild2
              Astra wild2 7 January 2021 14: 26
              +1
              Without Faith, Love, Hope ANYWHERE
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 6 January 2021 21: 53
        0
        "I put the charge into Pugo's carcass." soldier
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 7 January 2021 12: 23
          +2
          Quote: Sea Cat
          Pugo. "

          Well, all of them are ... far away! We! We and what surrounds us! This is important! And these ???? Yes, it would be better if they weren't.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 7 January 2021 12: 31
            +1
            Are you not enough of other carcasses, or should you borrow a shell? laughing
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 7 January 2021 12: 35
              +2
              Quote: Sea Cat
              few carcasses

              This is enough for me!
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 7 January 2021 12: 38
                +2
                Well, what's the problem - live and enjoy life. smile drinks
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 7 January 2021 12: 42
                  +2
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  Well, what's the problem - live and enjoy life. smile drinks

                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  Live and Enjoy Life

                  And if so?
                2. Phil77
                  Phil77 7 January 2021 12: 44
                  +2
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  rejoice

                  Does not work.
                3. Phil77
                  Phil77 7 January 2021 17: 32
                  0
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  Well, what's the problem - live and enjoy life. smile drinks

                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  , 12: 38

                  +2
                  Well, what's the problem - live and enjoy life.

                  Didn't answer, old! laughing
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 7 January 2021 17: 35
                    0
                    The answer is:
                    "To my angelic sovereign,
                    Yes, two angel wings,
                    But if grandma had hell,
                    She would be a grandfather. "(C) request
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 7 January 2021 17: 44
                      0
                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      oh if grandmother had a hell,
                      She would be a grandfather. "(C)
                      Reply

                      Well?
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 7 January 2021 17: 46
                        0
                        This has already happened - you repeat yourself.
                      2. Phil77
                        Phil77 7 January 2021 17: 48
                        0
                        Quote: Sea Cat

                        0
                        It happened before -

                        No songs needed. There were no.
  • stoqn477
    stoqn477 6 January 2021 19: 36
    +1
    Some Arnauts ended up in Novorossiya - along with other Balkan settlers - Greeks, Serbs, Macedonians, Bulgarians.

    Interesting. What are these Macedonians in the 18-19 centuries !? They appeared along with the Taiwanese after 1944-45.
    1. VLR
      6 January 2021 19: 43
      +4
      This refers to the inhabitants of the region of Macedonia, of course.
  • stoqn477
    stoqn477 6 January 2021 20: 03
    0
    Quote: VlR
    This refers to the inhabitants of the region of Macedonia, of course.

    Then the author with a clear conscience could write Bulgarians, Vlachs and Greeks.
    Even the Turks. laughing
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 6 January 2021 20: 34
    +5
    Good evening. Valery, I miss you!
    I have said and say more than once: you and Vyacheslav Olegovich are a SITE DECORATION. I always read you carefully.
    Valery, when will you "return" from the Balkans? I'm already starting to get jealous, what if a burning brunette charmed Vas? (Actually, she's not a blonde either, but I can't reach them: white-faced) Just kidding
    1. VLR
      6 January 2021 21: 07
      +6
      Ahead is the continuation of the history of Albania, articles about it myself seem to me to be successful - both historically and literally. There will also be Bosnia and Herzegovina, then - about the fall of the Ottoman Empire and the birth of the Turkish Republic, and about the Dashnak operation "Nemesis" for the destruction of persons involved in the massacre of Armenians. In my opinion, all these articles turn out to be very interesting, sometimes even fascinating, and the material is little familiar to ordinary readers.
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 6 January 2021 21: 07
      +1
      And in which region should Valeria direct her research?
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 6 January 2021 21: 11
        +2
        Russian history
        1. VLR
          6 January 2021 21: 34
          +4
          Many people who write on the history of Russia simply retell in other words the facts that have long been known to everyone - not because they like it so much, but because it is difficult to find something really little known. As an author, it is not very interesting for me, as an author, to write about what has been written hundreds of times before me - I can, of course, but - why? It is more promising to look at a well-known fact or a well-known story from an unusual and unusual angle, but then patriots "soar", at whom a break in patterns and "breaking" begins. "How can you criticize our beloved Catherine II - the murderer of two legitimate emperors, a serf woman and an adulteress?" Or - the "holy martyr" Nicholas II, who dragged Russia into two absolutely unnecessary wars for her, and brought a patriarchal and thoroughly monarchical country to three revolutions and a Civil War? How can you blame our beloved and great Peter I for the Prut campaign? How can you cite data on the Scandinavian traces in the early centuries of Russian history? I still, of course, write about this and many other things, but - when I am interested in a problem myself and have thoughts on how to untwist it in order to get out of a very worn-out rut at least a little.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 6 January 2021 21: 51
            0
            There was such an ancient anecdote about the track. As usual, a Russian, an American and a German are sitting, drinking the little white one and all bragging about their roads.
            The turn comes to the Russian, and he says:
            - And I climb into my lorry, start the engine, prop up the gas pedal with a crooked starter and go, and the chick on my knees, hug her, and along the way I pour vodka.
            - But what about the car !? - the German screamed.
            - And where the hell is she going to get out of a rut. - Vanya answered and poured a second one.
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 6 January 2021 23: 49
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              Quote: Sea Cat
              and poured a second

              Who is talking about what! And about philosophy ????
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 7 January 2021 10: 50
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                And about philosophy ???

                I drank too little.
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 7 January 2021 11: 04
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                  Quote: Sea Cat

                  I drank too little.

                  * Throw this to me *. Amigo! When did this amount of drunk grow into quality? Hmmmm ... product. (I mean myself a sinner). And I repent, I repent, I repent ...
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 7 January 2021 11: 37
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                    ! When did this amount of drunk grow into quality?

                    It didn't grow, it changed this quality.
                2. Phil77
                  Phil77 7 January 2021 11: 06
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                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  philosophy ???

                  My friend, this product depends little on what you drink, no? laughing * I drink, everything is not enough for me, I have become drunk ...... * / * Hussar ballad * /.
          2. oprovergatel
            oprovergatel 7 January 2021 04: 14
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            With all my ambiguous attitude towards Catherine II, I think neither you, nor me, nor the overwhelming majority of those present here would very much LIKE the result, if Peter III, after all, continued his so tragically cut short reign.
          3. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 7 January 2021 14: 40
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            "our beloved and great Peter 1" however, you did not "shrink" * when you wrote
  • Phil77
    Phil77 7 January 2021 00: 19
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    Quote: Korsar4
    Is Kamburov considered?

    Yes, so what? Index? Sergei, don't be funny, really, as well as the fact that I'm not Esposito.
  • Seal
    Seal 7 January 2021 12: 19
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    In Greece, most Arnouts were Hellenized
    A number of demographers believe that in today's Greece, whose residents do not treat Albanians very well, and many of them hate Albanians in general, at least 50% are former Albanians themselves.
  • Seal
    Seal 7 January 2021 12: 26
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    Well, is it really impossible to do without these fairy tales?
    it is first encountered in the writings of Ptolemy (Alexandria, 90-168 AD).
    Or is such a saying now as obligatory as in Soviet times it was obligatory to refer to the decisions of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU, the plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU, or to the speech or article of the leader, even in such works as "On improving the quality of insemination of a milking herd" ???
    After all, there are no originals of Ptolemy, nor his handwriting is unknown to science. Same about this
    It is known that 7 emperors of Rome were of Illyrian origin
  • Seal
    Seal 7 January 2021 12: 29
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    Quote: oprovergatel
    if only Peter III had continued his so tragically cut short reign.
    Who knows. The history of the subjunctive mood does not know.
  • Seal
    Seal 7 January 2021 12: 36
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    Quote: Phil77
    The author's right to his vision-HISTORY?
    Exactly. I have been saying for a long time that in our country (here it is for the whole planet) all Ancient History, the History of Ancient Time and, to a large extent, the History of the Middle Ages consists only of the visions of the authors of various works of literature on the topic of history. All archaeological finds are adjusted to fit.
  • Phil77
    Phil77 9 January 2021 08: 57
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    Quote: Korsar4
    A road without end
    A road without beginning and end ”(c).