China showed a launcher of the DF-17 hypersonic complex on an automotive platform

Chinese television showed footage of the DF-17 launcher (Dongfeng-17 - "East Wind" -17). The missiles of this complex are positioned in China as a hypersonic weapon, capable of reaching speeds up to Mach 10 (10 speeds of sound) in flight.

Initially, it was reported that DF-17 missiles are capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 3 thousand km. Now in China they declare their intercontinental range - up to 7 thousand kilometers.

Thus, in the zone of destruction of these missiles are the territories of many potential adversaries of the People's Republic of China, including such objects as American bases in the Pacific Ocean.

The PRC is positioning Dongfeng-17 missiles as weapons of destruction for aircraft carriers and strategically important infrastructure. Earlier in the Chinese press, options were considered, in which the targets of these hypersonic missiles are the US Air Force and Navy bases on the island of Guam. After that, the United States started talking about the need to create "alternative military bases" in the Pacific Ocean, including on the islands where military facilities had not been operated for several decades - in fact, since the end of the Cold War.

The DF-17 missile is capable of carrying both conventional and nuclear warheads. In this sense, it becomes a new step in the development of the Chinese nuclear arsenal.

The vehicle platform for the DF-17 rocket is a Chinese vehicle with a 10x10 wheel arrangement.

Launcher movements are seen in western China.

Comments

[Victor_B]

Just wondering, is this a BALLISTIC missile like our Vanguard?
Then the American Shuttle is also a hypersonic weapon.
Was.
And Buran.
Or with its own engine? Kosher if GZPVRD, not kosher if TTRD or LPRE.

[Gippo]

So I slapped you a tie too. For how can you be so dense and with such a mess in your head?

[Victor_B]

Quote: Gippo

For how can you be so dense and with such a mess in your head?

Is it possible about the "porridge" in more detail?
With "pictures". For me

Quote: Gippo

you can be so dense

If we proceed from the text of the topic, then the DF-17 is precisely a maneuvering BALLISTIC warhead, similar to our Vanguard, which many sofa anal-iteGes of the liberal spill do not consider as hypersonic.
Well, there is no ramjet on it!
(Is it okay that our Mosquitoes flew with a ramjet engine?)
Here on the Dagger, too, no!
But the Americans are sawing the RIGHT hypersound! With a ramjet engine!
Here, however, they are still doing it badly, unlike our totalitarian Zircon.
But this is not a reason to praise Russian weapons.
And then the Chinese are boozy!
They shoot at the models of American AV ...

[Zaurbek]

The Americans have so far presented the MRBM on the B-52. And they called her GP. They follow the same path.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Victor_B

Is it possible about the "porridge" in more detail?
With "pictures". For me
Quote: Gippo
you can be so dense

Fir-trees! That's how exactly Gippo noticed! Indeed, a mess in my head ... a mess! This is how much you need to stir with a spoon to find the "zest", that is, the meaning !? By the way, where does the anti-ship missile "Mosquito" have to do with it?

[Voltsky]

the dagger is also a quasi-balast

[Victor_B]

Quote: Voletsky

the dagger is also a quasi-balast

Since there is no ramjet, it means not the correct hypersound!
Even if the super-duper-hyper-fast flies, but there is no ramjet, it means not hypersound!
And that's it!
The Americans wrote in their Murzilka NI that is not hyper - that's all!
True!

[Flashpoint]

but there is no ramjet, so not hypersonic

Here kaaaak who will invent an anti-gravitator :) I love fantasy :)
...
Jokes as jokes - and maybe hybrid samples in theory!

[Voltsky]

any ballistic missile travels at hypersonic speeds.

[Gippo]

Where is the 10x10 platform?
"Small lies give rise to great suspicion" (C)

[Flashpoint]

There are few photos, no videos. It is not possible to evaluate the vehicle (Vehicle) in motion and see how the suspension reacts to the load. Again, the vehicle is on smooth asphalt. This is not a primer.
Maybe this thing is rolling around idle, without a "payload".
A photo from above does not allow us to evaluate the parameters of the road itself (maybe it is concrete covered with dust or a very even primer).

[Flashpoint]

I dug around on the Internet - mostly photos and videos from the 19 parade ... I did not find any specifics.
Here's the truck:
The WS2500 is a 20-ton 10x8 or 10x10 special heavy duty truck used by the People's Liberation Army of the People's Republic of China. It is one of the principle mobility platforms in mounting China's medium-range ballistic missiles and other conventional missile assets.

It is a general purpose heavy duty truck / transported developed from the original WS2400 and is built by Wanshan Special Vehicle.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WS2500

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Gippo

Where is the 10x10 platform?

Quote: Flashpoint

There are few photos, no videos. It is not possible to evaluate the vehicle (Vehicle) in motion and see how the suspension reacts to the load. Again, the vehicle is on smooth asphalt. This is not a primer.

Another thing is interesting to me - when will our missiles be rolled not on MAZ platforms, but on their own Russian platforms? Well, I don’t know on KamAZ trucks ... Tomorrow the Old Man will not be there, there will be some pro-Western one ... - and where will our mobile Strategic Missile Forces end up? They also thought about Moldova that Dodon was forever - but now? Is Moldova already part of Romania? And what will Belarus become tomorrow, without Batka? And where will the MAZ trucks be? To NATO or here, as before? ...

[Flashpoint]

And where will the MAZ trucks be? To NATO or here, as before? ...

MZKT definitely cannot be taken, it is a very tasty morsel. So many developments!
...
Eh, according to the situation in Belarus - a topic for a separate conversation ...
And Transnistria is a headache ...

[sedoj]

Quote: Gippo

Where is the 10x10 platform?

5 axles, 10 wheels - all driving:

[Lord of the Sith]

China showed a launcher of the DF-17 hypersonic complex on an automotive platform

It will become hypersonic after demonstration tests, and nothing else

[Gippo]

Clear. Is there a link to the SHOW Tests of other hypersonic club members?
That's just indicative. With the involvement of independent experts, international media and a certified act?
That's right, and it won't. For secrecy and all that.

[Lord of the Sith]

A couple of years ago, hamsters laughed with "Putin's Cartoons", but in fact it turned out that Russia has them, and the united states of North America in panic began to develop something of their own, but not quite successfully, we have, they do not))

And we have repeatedly launched it from one test site to another across the whole country.

[Cosm22]

What exactly is there in fact?
Cartoons and assurances from the Russian media?
This is not enough. In the previous comment, this is quite reasonably indicated. Is there documentary, not verbal, confirmation of hypersound in Russia? No, just words.
Then on what basis do we demand something from China?
By the way, even the words of China should be taken seriously. Based on the fact that, for example, in the space industry, China has already left Russia behind. Lacking the Soviet theoretical legacy in this area, production areas left by the same era and trained personnel. Not having all that Russia had in abundance.
Or will someone argue that Changzheng-5 was copied from a Russian launch vehicle? Point your finger at such a PH in Russia. "Proton-M" smokes on the sidelines from its PN, "Angara-5" with the declared PN did not fly at all.

[Vadim_888]

... Lacking the Soviet theoretical legacy in this area, production areas left by the same era and trained personnel. Without all that

In the early 90s, China very actively began to lure our specialists and buy our equipment, so the Chinese space program has very Soviet roots.

[Flashpoint]

China very actively began to lure our specialists and buy our equipment

They also bought up used machines (they didn't really want to give them new ones, but in the end China got everything one way or another), studied it.
Japanese and German equipment and more. As a result, China now has its own mechanical engineering.

[Vadim237]

"As a result, China now has its own mechanical engineering." True, their machines are disposable, especially CNC. And they buy gas turbines for power engineering from Germany as well as from Russia jet engines for fighters.

[Flashpoint]

True, their machines are disposable

And the tanks crumple and bend in the tank biathlon. Yes, problems with quality, lack of technology are felt. But they rush forward.

[Bratkov Oleg]

And the Chinese brought soil from the Moon, for the first time in decades, and this is the second country that, in the entire history of mankind, brought soil from the Moon. American farting was enough only for pavilion filming of space flights.

[Cosm22]

Why are we looking for reasons why China has overtaken Russia in the space industry?
Why don't we think about another question: why did Russia lag behind China? And, already forever? With immeasurably larger and better starting conditions?

[sleeve]

Show everything to you. Are you a spy? Just lazy to climb with a camera yourself?) Why would you turn defense into a circus? No pictures ... Maybe God forbid. And the Soviet "backlog" it is of course. Without them, nothing and nowhere. I think in five years and the "vanguards" from the "Soviet groundwork" will climb and the rest. Rashka can't do anything. Empty land.
With Chinese speakers, I would be careful not to make statements about the modernity of the development. And about the fact that someone smokes on the sidelines. Even if only because they are NOT THE FIRST. Nothing advanced is being done; well-known ways and solutions are used. And with such an economy without R&D "into the dark", you have to be absolutely stupid so as not to quickly turn around. However, they do not unfold. There is no station, and their program is "in operation" approximately as long as the Soviet one. What? Have you gone on a lunar mission?

[Cosm22]

1.What is so dismissive about China's lunar mission? Or is Russia able to do at least something similar?
Calm down. Unable. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not a year later. Not in 10 years.
2. If China uses only "known ways and solutions," then what prevents Russia from doing this?
Why does Russia still lack not only a superheavy, but a modern heavy carrier? Or will we remember Angara? Which has never flown with the declared PN and it is not known when it will fly? At least in test launches, of which the program provides for at least four more? And which will stretch for more years, if not decades? Meanwhile, Changzhen's modifications are already successfully flying. The lunar mission is a good example.
3. Does China mean "not unfolding"?
Is it okay that China has already put the reusable spacecraft into orbit?
That in terms of heavy launch vehicles, China is second only to Mask (Russia, I repeat, is not close here)?
That the CZ-8 has already performed well? What did the hydrogen plants perform well?
That the logging between China and Musk will begin this year in the field of reusable carriers?
That 2022 is the deadline for when China will have its own OS in real life (and not in fantasies like Rogozin)? Given the fact that the Russian segment of the ISS is bursting at the seams and poisoning the air, which could cause the end of the ISS very soon? Much earlier than the long-suffering Science module, which has been lying on Earth for more than a quarter of a century, goes to the station?

[sleeve]

1. And right. Unable. And why is it bursting where you can come quieter? We have no problem proving authority. (Well, maybe in the comments on VO). Is the program being implemented? Yes. Why so long? Duck, after all, there is nowhere in a hurry. Even if it is "overtaken" it will be quite "heroically pioneer" like the American version. And you need a full-fledged multiple times and the ability to organize the base. Otherwise, the "moon race" is a race for show-offs. And of course money is in trouble. But with such "no trouble" with money, the PRC has to leave the solar system. But something doesn't ...
2. Why use what you already have? And for what? As I wrote above "everything has its time" and "stretch your legs on clothes." I will see how the PRC will rush to the stars if it starts paying pensions and expands medicine in the appropriate ratio with Russia. Yes ... It will not be bad to move the economy from the south to the north, so that costs can be increased by 35 percent. Well, okay with that. These are excuses. Let them at least come to GDP per capita like ours. We have Russia and China in a vacuum. I have not heard anything about the CZ-8 except as promising developments. CZ-5 - heavy class with the same characteristics as "Proton". Only "extra" 100 tons pushes on itself. Well, these are the "minor flaws" of modern Chinese rocketry. Correct. We need a really new "Angara". First of all, due to the organization of production chains within Russia. Unlike the PRC, we again have to "overcome" all this. But we will do it. And it will be a "cluster" with 4 types of new missiles for different purposes. And the PRC will continue to "increase the masses" (takeoff and useful). Well, if again it will not be possible to rip off from us.
3. About reusable did not hear anything except noise. Since 2017, or rather since 2015, as Musk began to fuss, the PRC suddenly began to fight for it. But how he does it, no one really heard of it. We have to take the word "proud Chinese missilemen" for it. What kind of heavy missiles of the PRC do you mean? CZ-5? Or is there something else? Musk's heavy missiles are the same huge hint, please. Otherwise we are here with our "Proton" flying regularly and do not hear any such launches. Please help me about the Mask. Cz-8? I ask for details at least about the throw tests. And she's kind of "average"? So after all, the pusb will already appear at least 2022. And that's the truth. They have been trying for 30 years (it’s like ours around 1980), and they could not even assemble an inferior station. And without it, about what moon, if there are no support systems for at least 14 days? Probably not. The ISS has already "reworked" its term. The fact that the air is poisoning there, I would be ashamed to raise the topic. Well, she's not talking about technology to her.
And so you are right. Everything with us is slow. It's a pity of course. But there is. And with the money that we have. Here you have to risk changing budgets. Only with the Chinese minds. Americans will simply shut down. Well, look at the efficiency of spending by results. No, the Chinese will be able to, in any case they will try. But not everything is in money, not everything ... I hope that the PRC is approaching us in terms of technological support for its space programs. First of all, it is safety. And the presence of several full-fledged players is a blessing for the entire civilization. I wish them every success. And mind not helping anymore. And then they rushed in one direction, but we need to develop.

[Cosm22]

1. If all else fails, then all that remains is to "go quieter". Yes, to say "green grapes, green" or "I didn't really want to."
There is nowhere to hurry ... I agree. Where is the hurry now if you are left on the sidelines of world cosmonautics? And an American private trader and a Chinese statesman whistled past?
2. "Let them at least come to GDP per capita like ours" ... Have we already caught up with Portugal in terms of GDP, as was promised a long time ago? Or maybe Russia has surpassed the impoverished Ukraine on the minimum wage? Russia, the richest country in the world in terms of mineral deposits?
If you take information from the Russian Wiki, it is not surprising that you can miss the start of the CZ-8. Meanwhile, it took place on December 22 this year. Quite successful. And its value lies in the fact that the second stage worked on hydrogen. She worked brilliantly. In addition, the first stage of the "eight" will be reusable, such tests will begin with the next starts. The scheme is curious (not otherwise the Chinese licked it off from Russia?).
The CZ-5 is indeed practically of the same class as the Proton, although it displays a slightly higher PN for both LEO and GPO. But it's not that. The point is that the "five" is a modern, environmentally friendly heavy launch vehicle. "Proton" happily rested in Bose, for Kazakhstan is already telling Russia in plain text: stop contaminating our steppes with poisonous heptyl, contaminate your own. Will we launch from the East? Have you built a launch pad for the Angara?
“We really need a new Angara. An extremely erroneous thesis. Russia does not need an Angara. It's not even yesterday, but the day before yesterday. Russia is pulling this cart to nowhere, to a dead end only because there is nothing else at hand. Proton needs a heavy load to replace. "Angara" is not competitive either on the world or on the domestic market. The idea with the URM is flawed, it does not give any savings in production. This is archaism. It's just that Russia is no longer able to rebuild and do something new. It remains only to roll on the well-worn track.
3. Yes, CZ-5. It was she who launched Tianwen-1 to Mars and Chang'e-5 to the moon this year, and Changzheng-5B put into orbit a test version of the manned spacecraft.
I will not give Musk any hints about heavy rockets. I would just advise you to open at least the same Russian version of Wiki. From which you can learn that Musk, it turns out, did and successfully tested not just heavy, but heavyweight, the only one in the world. The same Falcon Heavy, capable of throwing almost 64 tons on LEO.
As for the Chinese OS, again - in Google. It will help to understand that back in 2011, China launched the 8,5-ton Tiangong-1 orbital module. And in 2016 the 2016th year "Tiangong-2". That allowed to gain experience in OS creation. So there is no doubt that the main part of the program for creating a Chinese OS will be completed next year. China has everything for this - launch vehicles, orbital modules, production facilities, qualified personnel, and accumulated experience.

[sleeve]

Do you want to continue about astronautics? Although the topic is not suitable for the article, but oh well. Just mindful of scatter, not point by point.
3. Musk is certainly great, if you do not take into account the terribly "effective" spending. Which for me, by the way, is generally a mystery. The indicators of the entire "GK IP Mask" differ from the declared data on costs, which are also "magically" leveled by some incomprehensible injections that are clearly outside the "real money". The Myrikans and only wonder. Well, we would have at least one launch of theirs "Kheva" in rubles, and that would be auxiliary. But what we have is what we have. But about the "Falcon" ... Launched configurations (and it is modular, am I right? These "miracle-side accelerators" ... mmm) ... You can be convinced of this even without the Russian Wiki you advertise. A little persistence. Sketches, declared project "exits" and recordings of launches (not all of them, of course, extremely successful, there were no others). Oh, by the way, the fuel is "outdated". That's the question of questions then. There is, after all, "Energy", why only the Chinese are trying to "revive" it? The set of withdrawn vehicles from the PRC is very impressive. But ... Well this is the "Soviet" minimum. The truth about the program (terms of implementation), the Chinese are lagging behind. But the general technological potential of the world disposes to something different. And the PRC has more money than the USSR. I'm not going to speculate on why or why. Well, it doesn't work, it's okay. I already said that another full-fledged player is a blessing. We hope for its appearance. That would not help. Otherwise it seems that our yellow-faced neighbors are puzzled ...
2. URM but with modifications - the construct of the mask's "heavy". China is also marching in the same way. Our idea of ​​"single" URMs is economically excellent and straight to the point. I would have scribbled why, but I’m reluctant to hear from my ears ... In short, I suggest that you decide on the reasons for the "unworthiness" of the "Angara" flying modifications and taking into account the place of launch) we did not notice with you. Okay? And Kazakhstan is not against it at all, only for a small share. Otherwise, you will have to stay without money at all. We don't have our own cosmonautics, but how can we carry foreign rockets there? Chinese only? So it is for them with their 4 cosmodromes and ... factory assembly complexes in the same places do not need nafig. Maybe India (giggle) or Iran (glasses probably). So we have a different problem there. How not to "grieve" Kazakhstan by curtailing its program (just like with Truba in Ukraine, by God). Well, I won't talk about Portugal, you obviously just had a joke. In general, I am somehow wary of modern GDP figures. The real economy figures are closer to me. Well, okay. Let's be honest? We do not yet know where the GDP of Russia is in fact in 2020. Next in line is France and Italy. This is realism. Although for some reason they are aiming at Germany, the wallet of Europe. Given the prevalence of the real sector, this is rather difficult.
1. Well, here ... As if yes, we are not in a hurry. And we don't see anyone really running ahead. Well, there are no anti-gravitators, photon engines (although there was a discussion on the VO “about the inferiority of the nuclear engine project being implemented in the Russian Federation”, I was straightforward. And against this background, the Chinese with “finally an orbital station”).

[Bratkov Oleg]

I think Russia will continue to work for the Americans. Russia successfully leaked the ISS technologies, which the whole world did not have, to the Americans, and this is not about international cooperation. The Chinese, for international cooperation, were not allowed to the Russian station Mir-2, there the Americans managed, licked, studied, copied. For this, Russia received green pieces of paper, which Trump, in 2020, just printed and distributed to the Americans, and in Russia, Nabiullina withdrew rubles from circulation and destroyed so that the balance was maintained.
On the other hand, Russia is not the USSR, where funds, unthinkable for the United States, could be concentrated in any direction, as can be seen from the example of space exploration. Only 20 years later, after Gagarin's flight, the United States was able to fly into manned space for the first time, on something like slab shuttles, with powder barrels, as first-stage accelerators. All right, it was a one-time launch, the rockets that have served their time are used to launch satellites, but reusable ships, on powder barrels ?! Because of the powder barrels, both shuttles perished, and the Americans had to abandon this project, long before the end of the ships' service life, because the frantic vibrations created by solid-fuel boosters loosen and loosen all the connections; in Colombia, for example, the thermal insulation crumbled. And in Russia there are less funds, the GDP is not equal to the American one, but 10 times less, plus one cannot run ahead of the American breadwinners. Although they feed only a few oligarchs, these oligarchs will not allow the United States to jump forward, especially since the successor of the USSR, Russia, is tied hand and foot in the American lunar scam, as its participant. The Soyuz-Apollo flight was lousy to confirm the existence of the Apollo. And the recognition by the Russian government of the insolvency of the Americans, during the flight to the moon, will be a declaration that socialism was better than capitalism, and scum and thieves in power in Russia. What they will never do. Show at least one thief who recovered stolen goods on his own, out of conviction.
Well, China has already stated that there is no dust on the moon, and that walking on the moon, after several days in zero gravity, is impossible. Personally, I realized a year ago that astronauts cannot walk on the moon, especially after flying in cramped conditions. And the Americans themselves, when they were filming this, weren’t in space for a second, and after many days of “flights”, the astronauts independently got out of Gemeni, Mercury, but when they sat on the shuttle for the first time, they didn’t get out. , and you will not find a single frame, they do not exist, like the Americans emerge from the shuttles after returning from space.

[Vadim237]

"I will calm down. Not able. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not in a year. Not in 10 years." Finish Svizdet - Luna 25 "The purpose of this project is to launch an automatic probe, the orbital part of which is to carry out remote research and the selection of suitable sites for subsequent descent vehicles, and the lander will explore the surface in the South Pole region, including cryogenic drilling to a depth of two meters The declared active life of the probe on the lunar surface is at least one Earth year, the launch is on October 1, 2021. " [/ center] This year there will be two more launches of the Angara A5M, it is also a modern heavy carrier that fully meets both military and commercial needs in the future, they will create a modification of the A5B for 38 tons before that Soyuz 5 will fit and Soyuz 6 from modules XNUMX and XNUMX will be to create a super-heavy rocket - as China does not have it yet.

[Bratkov Oleg]

And in the archives of Russian institutes there are also drawings of the working "Energia", which twice, without an accident, "Polyus" and "Buran" brought them to the specified trajectories

[Vadim237]

They are already conceptually outdated - too expensive launches now the era of completely reusable ships and rockets is coming.

[El Chuvachino]

Quote: Cosm22

Is there documentary, not verbal, confirmation of hypersound in Russia? No, just words.

Those who need it were confirmed.
https://topwar.ru/165142-amerikanskim-inspektoram-pokazali-giperzvukovoj-avangard-besprecedentnaja-otkrytost.html

[Victor_B]

Quote: Gippo

With the involvement of independent experts

With your sofas!
The receiving party does not provide sofas!

[donavi49]

Vanguard Demonstration Trials When? Guinness gauges?

This is their serial DF-17 missile and ZF equipment. There is battery firing on the Chinese version of "Military Acceptance" - Vaughn Dambiev recently published a clipping.
https://t.me/ChDambiev/5086

[Bratkov Oleg]

FAI registered nonexistent US records.
In particular, they did not have a rocket plane flight program to heights of up to 100 kilometers or more. More precisely, there was a program, but the rocket planes never flew higher than the carrier aircraft. And the records have been fixed. Just like with Barack Obama and the Nobel Peace Prize.

[Flashpoint]

So and I ... And I go to work at a speed of up to Mach 10. And my salary is up to 10 Million US dollars.

[Vadim_888]

Is it possible that China has entered an arms race with the United States? If so then - amen ...

[Flashpoint]

With their finances, it is not as difficult as Russia. Again, the US and all of China's neighbors will react to China. I don't understand India in recent years - they will dance ...
Also, under pressure from the United States, China may abandon a number of programs (this is a big question, our strategic offensive arms against China in any way, hands are free). But China is cunning, it will work on the sly in all available directions ...

[Vadim_888]

... It's not that hard with their finances

The main sales market for Chinese goods is the United States, its loss in the event of confrontation will result in a sharp drop in both production and economic growth, sectoral sanctions against Huawei killed the production of mobile phones of this company in less than a year, and they occupied a significant chunk of the world market

[Flashpoint]

The main sales market for Chinese goods is the United States, its loss in the event of a confrontation will result in a sharp drop in production

Yes, that's what I mean!

[KCA]

Huawei has reduced sales of mobile phones and 5G systems, but the corporation itself is more alive than all living things, the Chinese government can easily issue a decree according to which every Chinese must have only Huawei, and Apple with its capitalization will lag behind Huawei by ORDER, other manufacturers will suffer, but they will not be able to go against the party line, bag-stadium-bullet in the back of the head, problems are easily and simply solved

[Vadim_888]

... the Chinese government can easily issue a decree according to which every Chinese must have a mobile phone only Huawei,

Maybe, but it won't publish
Besides Huawei, there are a lot of phone companies in China. Do you think they will agree with this?
And the "liveliness" of Huawei remained in the production of equipment in the transmission of mobile communications and broadband Internet, so note for you.

[KCA]

But in the United States, all Huawei equipment is banned, for now, at least, and the corporation also manufactures equipment and one of the leaders, despite, and if China prohibits the use of Tsiski and in pursuit of software from Orekl completely on its territory? Among 1,4 billion people there will be those who can create a replacement, and just buy coders in Russia or a block in India for big yuan, will everything be okay in the USA? Fun and joyful? And many can follow China, well, for example Russia, why is Tsisk better than Huawei?

[Flashpoint]

Oracle will definitely not be able to replace it in the foreseeable future - this is a huge stack of software and hardware technologies, top-end performance, ready-made solutions, decades of experience. Only migration to other databases, preferably open source. Postgres is the same (Russia has implemented its paid branch).

[Flashpoint]

What's the point in comparing Apple and Huawei? Is Apple a Leader in Telecommunications? No!
Apple is a software company and a manufacturer of hardware (PCs, laptops, smarts, tablets), keeps on the fans of their itelephone, who like hamsters (even without them - hamsters) rush after any iphone into the abyss and stand in line for it until starvation. The difference is in approaches and principles!
Huawei will force every Chinese to buy a server rack? Well, good luck!
The Chinese mostly use their phones anyway.
Regarding the US-Huawei war: the whole zagostok in Android - the development of your OS and its popularization - it's daunting! The same Samsung screwed up with its BADA and its forks.
Even if you release a successful OS, you need to create software and games, etc. for it for years,
involve developers! The main leader 2 - OS from Google and Apple. The rest have outlived theirs or occupy a small niche!
Is Huawei ready to develop its OS? I don't know, that's a good question!
And Huawei is also a supply of chips, circuits, ready-made glands! And they get sanctions. If you want to sell your hardware in the USA, you must have a license!
PS:
1. If China will have problems - so they will build their people and send them where necessary without selling phones and even without a bullet in the back of the head, do not have any illusions!
2. Read about patent wars and stuff, Apple, Qualcomm, Cisco and Boeing, etc.
They started late against China, it has long begun to abandon CISCO, Kaspersky, etc.
and switch to domestic consumption of your own products! But the foreign market is different!

[vladcub]

In fact, the "Chinese achievement" is a private company, and they are stepping on their heels: "Xiaomi", "Lenovo".
There are state-owned companies: BBK, ZTE and the government is more likely to support them

[Bratkov Oleg]

The government said to wear masks, and all Chinese people wear masks. Therefore, in 2020, only 10.000 people were infected with them, and only 95, approximately, in a densely populated country with a population of one and a half billion.
Terribly disciplined, and work together for a bright Chinese future.

[Pandiurin]

"Initially it was reported ... DF-17 ... at a distance of up to 3 thousand km. Now in China they say ... up to 7 thousand kilometers."

It may depend on the variant of the warhead; it is usually lighter.

[Gippo]

It may depend on the variant with special warheads. it is usually lighter.

Easier, yes. But the range does not increase TWO times?

[Bratkov Oleg]

in NATO, they had to invent their own names for Soviet equipment, because they did not know all the characteristics. With Chinese missiles, the same incident may be that they are similar to each other, but the missiles are different.

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Gippo

Where is the 10x10 platform?
"Small lies give rise to great suspicion" (C)

In the photo there are 10 wheels,
the mass is large,
it is logical to assume that the drive can be connected to anything.

The inability to count to 10 gives rise to great suspicion)

[Gippo]

Lord forgive me ...

In the photo there are 10 wheels,

[Flashpoint]

Guys, I already unsubscribed about the wheels above.

[Pandiurin]

It is interesting how such news and "cartoons" appear, because it is always someone who wants to convey specific information and a warning to someone.

In the Taiwan Strait, two arlieberks with axes appeared. As I understand it, the Chinese warn their captains in advance, since they will not have time to understand what happened. Like if "cho" then something that drowns you will fly to your troughs at a speed of 10 mach and these are things like that.

[Old26]

Quote: Gippo

Where is the 10x10 platform?
"Small lies give rise to great suspicion" (C)

On the picture. Is the 5-axle chassis no longer a 10x10 chassis?

Quote: Pandiurin

"Initially it was reported ... DF-17 ... at a distance of up to 3 thousand km. Now in China they say ... up to 7 thousand kilometers."

It may depend on the variant of the warhead; it is usually lighter.

this cannot be physically. The accelerator, that is, the DF-17 missile itself - namely, it was "spotted" at the 2019 parade, it makes no difference: a conventional warhead or a nuclear one. The difference in range and 2,3 times cannot be achieved with a difference in the mass of the special and conventional warheads, even if even 2 times. Most likely 7000 km of range is a lime tree

[Old26]

Quote: Zoldat_A

I'm interested in something else - when will our missiles be rolled not on MAZ platforms, but on their own Russian platforms? Well, on KamAZ trucks, I don't know ...

When the KAMAZ trucks are brought in, then they will ride ours. So far, it looks like the "Platform-O" program has stalled ...

Quote: Pandiurin

It is interesting how such news and "cartoons" appear, because it is always someone who wants to convey specific information and a warning to someone.

In the Taiwan Strait, two arlieberks with axes appeared. As I understand it, the Chinese warn their captains in advance, since they will not have time to understand what happened. Like if "cho" then something that drowns you will fly to your troughs at a speed of 10 mach and these are things like that.

The DF-17 is not marketed as an anti-ship missile. Yes, and China's BKR, according to the same Chinese, can only strike at stationary targets. On a moving ship - no. They themselves disavowed this initial statement.

[Svetlana]

7000 km .. If you dig deeper, in addition to American and Russian targets, it was added.

[Graz]

I think the Chinese are cunning here in many ways

[Hermit21]

up to 10 Machs

Now in China they declare their intercontinental range - up to 7 thousand kilometers

This covered the allies. Although they are not the first time to lie about performance characteristics recklessly

[mark1]

It is with concern that I fail to note some relationship with the development of our programs and OCD;
DF-17 - RS-26, both small-sized light ICBMs with a range of 6000-7000 km and a gliding hypersonic unit. It seems that tunnels have been dug into our institutes and design bureaus. I have not specially analyzed it, but most likely the "synchronicity" in the developments can be found in many other things. Well, it does not happen like this ... there was not a penny, but suddenly altyn ... there should be a theoretical basis.

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

I wonder why only US targets are considered within the range of the missile? There, as well, Russia is within this radius. Nobody knows what will happen in twenty years in relations with China.

[Zaurbek]

For 7 years already, MZKT has been rolling 10x10 chassis at parades under our incomprehensible rocket.

[Old26]

Quote: Voletsky

the dagger is also a quasi-balast

Generally aeroballistic.

Quote: mark1

It is with concern that I fail to note some relationship with the development of our programs and OCD;
DF-17 - RS-26, both small-sized light ICBMs with a range of 6000-7000 km and a gliding hypersonic unit. It seems that tunnels have been dug into our institutes and design bureaus. I have not specially analyzed it, but most likely the "synchronicity" in the developments can be found in many other things. Well, it does not happen like this ... there was not a penny, but suddenly altyn ... there should be a theoretical basis.

To begin with, you cannot equate the DF-17 and the RS-26. For the first is a single-stage medium-range missile with a launch weight of 15 tons, the second is a really light two-stage ICBM with a launch weight of under 40 tons.
And further. Killed by your phrase

Well, it doesn't happen like this ... there was not a penny, but suddenly altyn ... the theoretical basis should be

I must point out that the last missile we had our hand in was the Chinese DF-2, also known as our R-5. The Chinese dreamed of receiving documentation for the P-14 from us, but we did not give it to them. And then - the severance of relations between the PRC and the USSR. And since the mid-60s they have been doing everything in rocketry themselves. Maybe their missiles are not as technologically advanced as ours, but they have a ROCKET-BUILDING SCHOOL. And we still believe that they are only engaged in copying ...

Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay

I wonder why only US targets are considered within the range of the missile? There, as well, Russia is within this radius. Nobody knows what will happen in twenty years in relations with China.

It is not customary to talk about it now. But China had an intermediate-range missile, which was called nothing less than the "Moscow rocket" (reached Moscow)

[Vadim237]

And they are engaged in copying and hybridizing our and foreign developments - there is very little purely of their own created from their original ideas.

[Old26]

Quote: Vadim237

And they are engaged in copying and hybridizing our and foreign developments - there is very little purely of their own created from their original ideas.

Everyone has ever copied. We also copied our first jet engines from English, but this did not prevent us from creating our own in the future. And the first strategist - TU-4, you know, almost an exact copy of the B-29
The Chinese in the missile field could not copy in a certain sense. Nobody sold them anything. Maybe they got some kind of rocket engines at the level of the 60s - early 70s. But in the future, the development of rocket technology followed their own path. They may not have had their own original ideas, but they created their own rocketry.
Yes, the complexes are not as advanced as ours, but nevertheless they leave far behind those created in other countries, such as Pakistan, India, Iran ...

[aries2200]

China likes to exaggerate its successes .... for example in 12 years !!! to the number of people in the country a billion ... they rang that there are a billion of them ... let the launch be made, then it will be clear what kind of "beast" they have on the tractor

[Old26]

Quote: aries2200

China likes to exaggerate its successes .... for example in 12 years !!! to the number of people in the country a billion ... they rang that there are a billion of them ... let the launch be made, then it will be clear what kind of "beast" they have on the tractor

I would not be happy to do this on New Year's holidays, but alas, I owe you:
1. To upset
2. Quickly upset
3. It is terrible to upset


China conducted at least nine flight tests of the DF-2014 between January 2017 and November 17. The tests were carried out at the Taiyuan cosmodrome in Shanxi province.

DF-17 flight tests
January 9, 2014 First test run.
August 7, 2014 Failed test, rocket disintegrated shortly after launch.
December 2, 2014 Good test.
June 7, 2015 Good test. The car made "extreme maneuvers".
August 19, 2015 Good test. The car made “evasive actions” (
November 23, 2015 Successful, with GZLA reaching over Mach 5
April 22, 2016 Good test.
On November 1, 2017, it flew about 1400 km in 11 minutes, and the GZLA flew at an altitude of about 60 km.
November 15, 2017 Used the DF-17 to reach GZLA climax.

[Vadim237]

So this is a copy of our Vanguard or American HTV 2 -controlled gliding unit.

[Old26]

Quote: Vadim237

So this is a copy of our Vanguard or American HTV 2 -controlled gliding unit.

See for yourself

[Vadim237]

These are just layouts - no country in the world will show real controllable units for everyone to see, since all aerodynamic forms of them are state-of-the-art.