NI wondered who would win a possible battle between the Zumwalt destroyer and the Kirov-class cruiser

In the United States, they wondered who would win in a possible battle between the Zumwalt destroyer and the Kirov-class cruiser. The corresponding article was published in the American magazine The National Interest.

NI, a fan of comparing Russian and American military equipment, has released another article where he conducted a hypothetical battle between the American missile destroyer Zumwalt and the Russian Kirov-class cruiser, apparently implying Peter the Great - the only heavy nuclear cruiser of Project 1144.2 Orlan in service. ...

At the very beginning of the article, the author emphasizes that the Zumwalt-class ship is the most modern destroyer of the US Navy, created using stealth technology, the signature of which on the radar is equivalent to a small fishing vessel. It is equipped with 80 launchers for various missiles, including anti-aircraft and cruise missiles, as well as two 155-mm artillery mounts. At the same time, the Kirov-class aircraft carrier is a relic from another era, which has good air defense and is equipped with the "giant" anti-ship missiles "Granit".

According to the publication, the American destroyer and the Russian cruiser will fight on the high seas. At the same time, the ships do not know the location of each other and are intensely looking for the enemy. In such a situation, the author argues, Zumwalt has an advantage, as it has stealth technology and is difficult to spot. Therefore, he will be the first to discover the Russian Kirov.

Also, stealth technology will theoretically help the American destroyer approach the firing range of its guns. If a destroyer is found, the cruiser can strike with her anti-ship missiles, but the Zumwalt air defense system will cope by shooting down the bulk of the missiles. However, according to the author, the Kirov will not be able to strike the anti-ship missile, because the missile guidance system "will not see the American destroyer."

At the same time, the author admits that the destroyer does not have anti-ship missiles, and the damage inflicted on the cruiser with the help of guns "depends on the situation."

The author is convinced that the result of this confrontation will be a draw, because none of the ships will be able to inflict damage on the other, but with the appearance of new anti-ship missiles in service with Zumwalt, it will have a significant advantage.

Neither the Zumwalt, unable to get close enough to the enemy to strike at him with his guns, nor the Kirov, unable to use his weapons with radar guidance, will not be able to defeat each other, and they will have to continue the fight another time

- he concludes.

Comments

[Vladimir_2U]

- The taxi driver will win!
- Where does the taxi driver come from ?!
- Yes, the devil knows where they come from! ... A well-known anecdote.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

- The taxi driver will win!
- Where does the taxi driver come from ?!
- Yes, the devil knows where they come from! ... A well-known anecdote.

Absolutely out of place. Because the very statement of the question from the category "Who is stronger - an elephant or a whale?" Some kind of stupidity .... In 1943, a German shushpanzer could be stopped with one good shot from an ATGM. So who is stronger - an elephant or a whale?

[venik]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Absolutely out of place. Because the very statement of the question from the category "Who is stronger - an elephant or a whale?"

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From the "language removed"! It is impossible to imagine more stupidity! This "NI" arranges a kindergarten with its "who will win?"

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: venik

Quote: Zoldat_A

Absolutely out of place. Because the very statement of the question from the category "Who is stronger - an elephant or a whale?"

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From the "language removed"! It is impossible to imagine more stupidity! This "NI" arranges a kindergarten with its "who will win?"

Where to put +1000?

[sleeve]

No, they are okay with everything. Take a child's model of thinking with the following content: "But now, when we have this and this, and they have this, who is stronger?" And you read it calmly. No analytics, no tactical modulations. Only yard: and my brother has a penknife, and mine goes to boxing ...

[Alex777]

No analytics, no tactical modulations. Only yard: and my brother has a penknife, and mine goes to boxing ...

The fact that there are no guns on Zamvolta, no anti-ship missiles is left out of brackets.
Draw and that's it!

[sleeve]

Exactly. And the potential for approach maneuvering? And the electronic warfare? There is nothing...

[orionvitt]

Quote: Alex777

The fact that there are no guns on Zamvolta, no anti-ship missiles is left out of brackets

What is left in parentheses is that the Zamvolt is a generally problematic ship. And on the power plant, and on armament, and on the concept (I am silent already for the cost). In short, there is one big problem, and the Americans themselves do not know what to do with it and where to shove it. This is according to the American press itself, which we regularly discuss here. So the question of who is stronger comes down to commonplace. Decorative thoroughbred horse, against an old war horse. I would bet on an old war horse, especially a modernized one.

[Alex777]

Against the upgraded one, there is one chance they won't be found.
For if they find it, then everything will be without options. Absolutely.

[il-z]

The Sumvold will win, because it will be undergoing an extraordinary repair, and our cruiser will spend a lot of time looking for the enemy ...

[Captain45]

Quote: venik

It is impossible to imagine more stupidity! This "NI" arranges a kindergarten with its "who will win?"

as they say, whatever the child is amused with, if only he does not cry

[Zoldat_A]

Pay attention - tsya.ru Best wishes.

Quote: Captain45

as they say, whatever the child is amused with, if only he does not cry

Whatever the child is amused, if only the Third World War is not unleashed ...

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Zoldat_A

So who is stronger - an elephant or a whale?

And if we consider an elephant and a boa constrictor?

[Ros 56]

And there is nothing more to say, only emotions.

[silverwolf88]

possibly in alliance with Batman)))

[2 Level Advisor]

and if Zumvolt will be a side to Kirov? it will immediately become much more noticeable .. again, in general, an article about "stealth" and that no one will see it, but at the same time they themselves admit that it is visible as a small fishing vessel, which raises the question - why should Kirov not see him?

[NDR-791]

The Zumwalt class ship is the most advanced US Navy destroyer, created using stealth technology ...
The Kirov-class aircraft carrier is a relic from another era
I wonder what caused exactly this choice of the enemy? Show that there is no chance? Then it was necessary at least to choose Aurora.
And so: Lover of comparing Russian and American military equipment - a fan of wasted whistles

[Rusticolus]

So with Aurora the chances are the same. A tin tub with 2 * 155 and a range of 18k, against an armored cruiser with 10 * 130 and a range of 20 + k. Yes, Aurora will turn him into a drushlag even before he comes to the range of his shot. And Zamvolt has no anti-ship missiles as a class. Comparison of a cat and a mouse, the mouse is the same "inconspicuous".

[Boris Chernikov]

you are wrong..not tinned..plywood

[NDR-791]

So with Aurora the chances are the same.
Heh, really. Even less, perhaps. Yes, and mars with good optics stealth on the drum

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: NDR-791

So with Aurora the chances are the same.

It will approach Leningrad on its side - so the non-floating Aurora monument can burn from all trunks. Bald about that "Zamvolt". there will be ... Iraq can be ... There is no Strategic Missile Forces, there is no one to be afraid ...

[voyaka uh]

"Zamvolt has no anti-ship missiles as a class." ///
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Here you are a little wrong ...
The Americans taught their SAM / ABM missiles to hit ships.
Tests were carried out.
There is a difference from specialized anti-ship missiles - missile defense missiles have a small warhead.
But they are supersonic, the kinetic impact is serious.

[Albert1988]

Quote: voyaka uh

The Americans taught their SAM / ABM missiles to hit ships.
Tests were carried out.
There is a difference from specialized anti-ship missiles - missile defense missiles have a small warhead.
But they are supersonic, the kinetic impact is serious.

What is the range? What is the probability of hitting a target? What is the damage? Here is granite - 7-9 tons. speed 2500, even without detonation of the warhead Zamvolt from "kinetics" will split in half ...

[voyaka uh]

The range of the SM-6 for ships is relatively small - 200-250 km.
The warhead, as I already wrote, is small. They will not drown, but they will cause damage. The accuracy is good.
The last Tomahawks were also made "smart": they taught how to scan and search for ships
the adversary.
So the statement that the Zumwolts do not have anti-ship missiles is incorrect.

[Rusticolus]

They taught that, taught that. Well, let's say they taught, but ...
1. And do they produce these missiles in series, or is this just a demonstration sample?
2. Are these missiles installed exactly on the zamvolte？
3. Have all the work and updates of guidance systems been completed for the use of these missiles?
4. Well, were these missiles carried out at least training launches on targets？
Too many questions. With about the same success, it can be said, as suggested above, that the same can be used to kill Granites on Aurora, and it will blow Zamvolt to shreds.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Rusticolus

1. And do they produce these missiles in series, or is this just a demonstration sample?

production will start next year. We already have a contract with Raytheon.

Quote: Rusticolus

2. Are these missiles installed exactly on the zamvolte？

PU allow.

The rest of the questions are not yet relevant, because the US Navy has not received serial missiles. However, the LRASM anti-ship missiles can also be successfully used from the same TLUs, they have already been adopted by the Air Force, the Navy has tested them and is also going to accept them for supply.

Quote: Rusticolus

With about the same success, it can be said, as suggested above, that the same can be used to kill Granites on Aurora, and it will blow Zamvolt to shreds.

on Aurora, there is no place to put Granites. Moreover, these missiles have long been out of production.
But in general - this conversation (about a hypothetical confrontation between two ships in a vacuum - as if they were alone on Earth and remained) - about nothing.

[Rusticolus]

That is, in the bottom line, neither there nor there anti-ship missiles are available. And even hypothetically, they will still have to wage an artillery duel with a completely predictable outcome. What is generally written in the article is that the zamvolt, even without taking into account the anti-ship missiles that our cruiser has in stock, will still lose to him even in an artillery duel, not to mention the total loss to any ship of a similar class, a century and a half ago. And they call this misunderstanding the most modern ship？ Well, at least wooden frigates with muzzle-loading cannons from the times of Columbus can win. Already at least something.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

"Then it was necessary at least Aurora to choose something." ... well, what, two irons ... the only years of construction are different ..... by the way, one and the same almamater ...... on Aurora it is enough to install a couple of packs of Onyx and a stratosphere with equipment of different spectra, and here he is Zuma in the wake trail, they shot from the aurora in a volley and there is no Zuma

[the most important]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

again in general, an article about "stealth" and that no one will see it,

It is quite possible that the American will start hiding and Peter the Great "will not see" him ... Well, then he will walk along it and cut the invisible jar in half. And there will be two invisible halves at the bottom of the sea.

[rocket757]

Christmas fantasies .... someone did not play enough soldiers as a child.

[Egoza]

Quote: rocket757

Christmas fantasies .... someone did not play enough soldiers as a child.

Come on! You just have to get a denyuzhku for the article by the holiday!

[rocket757]

I agree .... especially since the topic is "not disclosed" to the end.
It's like with the cowboy Joe, why is he so elusive .... well, no one has any interes to catch him.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Come on! Just for the holiday, denyuzhku for an article must be received! .... and how much to pay for a post !!!!! .... so, for the sake of interest .... such bullshit can be pushed for 10 posts per hour

[Lord of the Sith]

NI wondered who would win a possible battle between the Zumwalt destroyer and the Kirov-class cruiser

Who is stronger, an elephant or a whale?
I am shocked with these authors, with their infantilism. Compare destroyer and cruiser spherical in vacuum.

[Petro_tut]

whose signature on radar is equivalent to a small fishing vessel. It is equipped with 80 launchers

Launches missiles, the signature will change immediately

[Jcvai]

They slightly forgot about the over-the-horizon tsu system, thanks to which it is possible, on guidance from aircraft or a satellite, to shmaln 100 km and go on to drink tea

[Rusticolus]

Why over-the-horizon? The Zamvolt, of the weapons that he can use against ships, only have two 155mm cannons with a range of up to 18 km against the AK-130 of Peter the Great with a range of 23 km. Will this tin be able to go those 5 km under the fire of AK-130, at least to try to do something? And if you consider that the AK-130 is at the stern. So while our cruiser will catch up, if at all, our cruiser will run out of ammunition. But they will have time to drag them from the holds more than once. It's like chasing a carriage on a bike with a slingshot. In theory, of course you can. Well, pure neighing.

[Boris Chernikov]

at this distance, the Zumwalt will be visible on the radar, even if the anti-ship missiles, that is, the air defense missile system, are not targeted

[Flashpoint]

Quote: 2 level advisor

and if Zumvolt will be a side to Kirov? it will immediately become much more noticeable .. again, in general, an article about "stealth" and that no one will see it, but at the same time they themselves admit that it is visible as a small fishing vessel, which raises the question - why should Kirov not see him?

Then - boarding! :)

[Mykhalych]

Storytellers. "Peter the Great" is in service, and where are three Zumwalt class ships out of 24 previously planned ...
See https://topwar.ru/152628-jesmincy-zumwalt-velichajshij-proval-v-istorii-vms-ssha.html

[Boris Chernikov]

Well, you just ... sat well ..

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

damage to a cruiser with guns "depends on the situation"

Even though I didn't shoot from a cannon - and thanks for that!
And he could have taken on boarding unnoticed. He's stealth!

[Rusticolus]

So what would "shoot" you must first swim at a maximum speed of 5 km under the fire of the guns of a stationary enemy. Get 180 shells in your direction (all the prepared ammunition), stay on the move, and generally afloat. And only then, it will be possible to try to take advantage of the situation in which at least something can depend on the zamvolta.

[businessv]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

And he could have taken on boarding unnoticed. He's stealth!

... sneak up behind ...

[Albert1988]

Quote: businessv

... sneak up behind ...

Behind it is just impossible - there the AK-130 stands ...

[cniza]

Also, stealth technology will theoretically help the American destroyer approach the firing range of its guns. If a destroyer is found, the cruiser can strike with her anti-ship missiles, but the Zumwalt air defense system will cope by shooting down the bulk of the missiles. However, according to the author, the Kirov will not be able to strike the anti-ship missile, because the missile guidance system "will not see the American destroyer."

Fortune telling ...

[rocket757]

This is not fortune-telling, because how do you need to be able to have brains?
Free fantasy, on a free topic .... no restrictions, write that Hosh.

[cniza]

Apparently they like it, and the circulation of the magazine seems to be growing from such articles ...

[rocket757]

However, our people are looking through it ... they quote, from the same, dreamers.

[cniza]

Well, here it is like a neutral position, everything is at our discretion and opinion, but I would like ...

[rocket757]

I would like to have a high-class news and information agency. No fantasies, bravura marches and a huge number of stupid mistakes !!!
We need black, independent professionals .... well, that's it, fantasy dreams!

[businessv]

Quote: rocket757

Looking for black, independent professionals

Blacks are independent professionals ?!

[cniza]

Quote: rocket757

We need black, independent professionals .... well, that's it, fantasy dreams!

Where is their honest, and especially independent, to get something, at least professional ...

[rocket757]

They meet, but nobody wants to pay them for their position! And for nothing, nothing happens.
EVERYONE wants to eat.

[cniza]

And yet, I want a "tasty" and interesting pack, analyzes and opinions ...

[rocket757]

I would like a lot, a lot of criticism, justified, capital, you can delve into Vesti FM. There is such a thing.

[cniza]

With criticism, everything is more or less fine, especially before the elections ...

[rocket757]

Before the elections, fighting with compromising evidence ...
Vesti FM, there are consistent, serious critics ALWAYS, little dependent on the conjuncture.

[Rurikovich]

Well, it's an American edition! "Abrams" is the best tank in the world, patamushta negro-loader is super. Flying misunderstanding Phi-35 fighter of the 5th generation, patamushta it is a stealth type. Well, others should not see it, and that others may have radars that can see them from afar, Duc does not count. Well, he MUST be the first to see you and defeat you The logic of children in the sandbox. "Zumvalt" is also stealth and that's it, you will see an analogue of a fishing seiner on the radar screen. And the fact that in a storm you will be rocked and you will periodically glow, like a supertanker does not count? Or will the enemy lift a DRO helicopter into the air and see you from a different angle, too, is not considered?
These "analysts" from NI amuse them well with their fantasies

[Evil Booth]

f117 is more stealth than sumvolt

[faiver]

Probably it is worth reminding these "analysts" how in 99 the "invisible" F-117 was shot down by the S-125 air defense system, which they began to develop almost under Stalin ...

[armannu]

At the same time, the author admits that the destroyer does not have anti-ship missiles.

Yeah...
And this is the very last, "coolest" destroyer ...

[Lex_is]

Great question!
Who will win, a spherical elephant in a vacuum or a spherical whale in a vacuum?

And the author of the article will win, having received money for the article by the new year!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

NI wondered who would win a possible battle between the Zumwalt destroyer and the Kirov-class cruiser

Who is stronger, an elephant or a whale?
I am shocked with these authors, with their infantilism. Compare destroyer and cruiser spherical in vacuum.

I didn’t read it, I’m sorry. The same is said above.

[Cananecat]

NI are such funny guys ... sometimes one gets the impression that theorists get there who were not included in the team of "British scientists".

[tralflot1832]

The Canadians, too, in 72, said we will tear these Russians. The total is 7 -3 !!!. And someone had to eat borsch with a newspaper (in which it was written that we would tear them), silently and on camera.

[bar]

Also, stealth technology will theoretically help the American destroyer to come within the firing range of its guns.

And after the very first shot from these guns, a little "stealth" and "granite" will roll it into plywood chips.

[Mikhail3]

In such a situation, the author argues, Zumwalt has an advantage, since it has stealth technology and is difficult to spot. Therefore, he will be the first to discover the Russian Kirov.

I wanted to write that Zumvolt (if he manages to get out of the port parking, which is far from a fact, and if all its components work, which is generally unrealistic) will be instantly detected by an airplane with a video camera. But there won't be planes, right? )
Good. The American has a small signature. But she looked like a spark on the tablet a long time ago. Now the radar works by default with a computer analyzer (although after the topic about shooting, I'm no longer sure that modern technologies are used at all), there is an electronic signature. Whatever you do with the Zumwalt, its signature will be as small as a fishing boat (let's say it's true), but certainly not like a real seiner! That is, the task is just to get its signature ...

[Wilderness]

"Kirov-class cruiser". A now forgotten phrase.

[faiver]

But he has not yet been put on pins and needles, the former hero is rusting ...

[Albert1988]

Quote: faiver

the former hero is rusting ...

Ahem! Petya, as it were, is the flagship of the northern fleet and is all in the ranks, Nakhimov is on modernization for "zircons" and other amenities, so only the two remaining handsome men rust, but everything is clear there - there are breakdowns that are more expensive to fix than new such ships to build. ..

[faiver]

I wrote about Kirov himself ...

[Albert1988]

Quote: faiver

I wrote about Kirov himself ...

Here I agree, renamed Ushakov, now rusts sadly. and it is unclear whether it will be modernized like Nakhimova ... Frunze, now Lazarev, already without prospects - a serious engine breakdown and a complete impossibility of repair ... In general, it's sad ((((

[businessv]

will not be able to defeat each other, and they will have to continue the fight another time

He should have continued in the style common in Soviet times and ended the article with the words: "... friendship won!"

[alstr]

You can also add that the author for some reason forgot that there are helicopters. Only Zumvolt has one, and Kirov has 3 of them.
Now the question is: according to the theory of probability, who will find the target faster? who has 3 helicopters or 1.?

[faiver]

the zoom has three more unmanned turntables ...

[alstr]

Only without radar.
Well, you can also throw a couple of three eagles.

[faiver]

A flight deck appeared on Petra? or launch a catapult?

[alstr]

The take-off helicopter deck will do.
He has a regular mode - launch from a catapult. And we catch it back with a net.
Somewhere there were shots of how this happens. Moreover, the UAV landed on the frigate's helipad.

[faiver]

offset, accepted

[seregin-s1]

Zumvolt has no anti-ship missiles! The radiation from its AN / SPY-3 "Orlan" radar will detect 200 kilometers away. All that remains is to launch the missiles, they will do everything themselves.

[Crash]

that for some reason the author forgot that there are helicopters

And not only helicopters. Apparently, Peter carries 20 torpedoes for ballast.

[tralflot1832]

Let this Zumwalt descend in winter to NEA, the North-East Atlantic, there were photos of his deck, in greenhouse conditions you can't look at it without tears: some from laughter, and some from grief!

[APASUS]

Again, everything is based on stealth technology. There is no comparison of the hydroacoustic complex, systems for detecting air and sea targets, the weapons are also described as a fig ............... in short, the analysis is very cool!

[iouris]

Purely hypothetical. Where is Kirov? In the same place as "Iron Felix".

[Anachoret]

Who will win? Nobody, everything will end with guaranteed mutual destruction, and, moreover, we are no longer talking about ships
The very idea of ​​comparison is absurd. And any, as Donald Ibrahimovic says, a super-duper stealth ship will theoretically have little replacement (and not invisible) exactly until the first shot

[u-345]

the result of this confrontation will be a draw

As I understand it, translated into Russian, this means - from Zamvolt drushlak will remain

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

Quote: NDR-791

The Zumwalt class ship is the most advanced US Navy destroyer, created using stealth technology ...
The Kirov-class aircraft carrier is a relic from another era
I wonder what caused exactly this choice of the enemy? Show that there is no chance? Then it was necessary at least to choose Aurora.
And so: An amateur to compare Russian and American military equipment - an amateur to whistle in vain

Presumably, NI chose the most perfect (meaning the strongest) non-aircraft carrier of the US Navy and compared it with the strongest non-aircraft carrier of the Russian Navy.
I suppose they had the following logic.
However, how is a one-on-one duel in an open field possible in reality - I don’t put my mind to it ... maybe I am a dumb freak?

[Al_lexx]

It's funny .. There is a saying:
- I will not fight with you, I will just fall on you! )))

Those. I believe that even a warhead is not needed for "Granite. It is enough just to fall on this iron to break it to the dog's pigs.)))

[ccsr]

According to the publication, the American destroyer and the Russian cruiser will fight on the high seas. At the same time, the ships do not know the location of each other and are intensely looking for the enemy.

Reading such nonsense, I am always tempted to ask the authors of this nonsense - what will the rest of the armed forces of these countries do at least a few hours before the alleged battle? Will they sit on the podium and watch them like Roman citizens at the battle of two gladiators in the arena?

[sleeve]

But seriously. The only question is in the real picture of "visibility". Self-destruction of both ships is possible. Only on the 1144 side there is a displacement, constructive protection, and armor elements. If both sides have anti-ship missiles, then Zamvolt has nothing to catch the Granites with. And 1144 can easily try 96 Zur as a missile defense system at a distance of 70. Plus echelons of short-range air defense.

[Reserve buildbat]

This is nonsense ... We have one "Kirov", they have one "Zamvolt", and these "two loneliness" will simply meet and "light a fire by the road", as Kikabidze sang.

[tarakanovaleksei]

Well yes. That's the whole conversation.

[Second major]

I will give the Americans a couple more ideas for articles:
- flexible air combat F-35 and swarms of locusts;
- Nuclear submarine "Virginia" against a group of Pacific Fleet midshipmen, who is more secretive?
- and finally, who is stronger: a platoon of "fur seals" or a duty shift of the Tyoply Stan police station, reinforced by three district police officers.

[tarakanovaleksei]

Any sandpiper praises its swamp.
But seriously, the course and the adjacent distance to the ship are probably tracked from the satellite, and the satellite sees everything,

[BIABIA]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

Quote: Zoldat_A

So who is stronger - an elephant or a whale?

And if we consider an elephant and a boa constrictor?

The hat will come out. Like this whole article is about nothing ...

[Andrey Krasnoyarsky]

Who wins - decides the battle, not the sofa-newspaper admirals from National Interest