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Foreign press: Due to sanctions, Indonesia may purchase used fighters of the Austrian Air Force to replace the new Su-35

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US pressure on importers weapons prevent the Russian Federation from selling military equipment abroad. Due to the threat of US sanctions, Indonesia may replace the new Su-35 from Russia with used fighters in one of the European countries.


Foreign publications write about this.

Instead of new Su-35 fighters, Indonesia is ready to purchase Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft that are being decommissioned in Austria. Although the Russian-Indonesian contract worth $ 1,14 billion for 11 cars was allegedly signed back in 2018, pressure from the United States led to the breakdown of this agreement.

Therefore, to strengthen its Air Force, the fleet of which consists of American F-16s and Russian Su-2014 and Su-27 purchased before 30, Indonesia is ready to place an unusual order. The reference goes to Indonesian Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto, who wrote a letter to his Austrian counterpart Claudia Tanner with a proposal to start negotiations on the purchase of all 15 Eurofighter Typhoons belonging to the Austrian Air Force.

The fact is that due to the high cost of operation and further modernization of these fighters in Austria in 2017, it was decided to abandon them during 2020-2023. At the same time, for Indonesia, the Eurofighter Typhoon is one of the options to receive fighters in the near future, without waiting for new aircraft to be manufactured.

It is interesting that Greece also took a similar step in acquiring used fighters, which announced its readiness to buy 18 Rafale fighters from France. Paris plans to remove 12 of them from service with its Air Force.

How much such a decision can correspond to the statements of the Indonesian command about the modernization of the air force is an open question.
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  1. sav
    sav 27 December 2020 14: 48
    +11
    The reference goes to Indonesian Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto, who wrote a letter to his Austrian counterpart Claudia Tanner with a proposal to start negotiations on the purchase of all 15 Eurofighter Typhoons belonging to the Austrian Air Force.

    It looks like the Europeans paid extra.
  2. Evil Booth
    Evil Booth 27 December 2020 14: 53
    -5
    as an option, half of the world will sharply move away from the swabble world for the meaning?
    1. armannu
      armannu 27 December 2020 14: 56
      +3
      What will go away is unambiguous.
      But not abruptly.
      And the Indonesians, probably with bad money, climb around the Ukraine, used ...
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 27 December 2020 16: 14
        +2
        Indonesia is doing well with the economy, they do not want sanctions, otherwise the tap will be closed.
        So they are forced to waste money and buy any used euro junk.
        1. armannu
          armannu 27 December 2020 16: 29
          0
          Where does the information come from that everything is in order?
          Why is the news different? - https://www.finanz.ru/novosti/aktsii/vlasti-indonezii-ukhudshili-prognoz-po-tempam-sokrashcheniya-ekonomiki-strany-v-tekushchem-godu-1029915700
          The Indonesian authorities have worsened the forecast for the state of the country's economy, announcing a possible fall in GDP by 1,7-2,2% by the end of the year. This was announced by Minister of Finance Sri Mulyani Indravati
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 27 December 2020 16: 36
            0
            If you don't know, then the whole world has a drop in GDP, and not only because of covid. 1,7-2,2% is still divine. The "Western partners" are doing much worse.
            1. armannu
              armannu 27 December 2020 16: 44
              -1
              Exactly what's in the know.
              Therefore, everyone is looking for ways to reduce costs.
              And Indonesia as well.
              And you spoke about her, with unfounded confidence.
              I even looked at the news again, I decided - I remembered something wrong ...
  3. Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 27 December 2020 14: 55
    +1
    The reference goes to Indonesian Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto, who wrote a letter to his Austrian counterpart Claudia Tanner with a proposal to start negotiations on the purchase of all 15 Eurofighter Typhoons belonging to the Austrian Air Force.
    starting negotiations does not mean buying something. When you ask the price of a product in the market, this does not mean that you are obliged to purchase it.

    Greece also took a similar step in acquiring used fighters, which announced its readiness to buy 18 Rafale fighters from France. Paris plans to withdraw 12 of them from service with its Air Force.
    everything is clear with the Greeks, they buy planes against the background of confrontation with the Turks. They need them right here and now. Greece and the United States asked for "used" F-35s, if only as soon as possible - ideally, already in 2021.
    Is Indonesia also going to fight with someone? Apparently not. There is no urgency. Therefore, in all likelihood, they will buy the French Rafali.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 27 December 2020 17: 16
      +1
      Indonesia at Knives with Malaysia. They have one nefteroditsa - a palm tree. Plus dislike. Plus mutual claims on the territory. And they are armed against each other.
      1. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 27 December 2020 18: 13
        +1
        ... And they are armed against each other.

        They seem to be in different weight categories and in terms of population and capabilities.
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 28 December 2020 21: 16
        +1
        There are no complaints at the official level now. And so, Sukarno in the 60s dreamed of liquidating Malaysia altogether and making it part of Indonesia.
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 27 December 2020 14: 56
    +4
    US pressure on arms importers prevents the Russian Federation from selling military equipment abroad.

    The fact takes place.
    What to do???
    1. Evil Booth
      Evil Booth 27 December 2020 14: 59
      -14%
      everything has been done for a long time. and this is non-BORIKS or Chinese GDP .. the Chinese have not yet gained momentum to bomb first to pump it .. just quietly, culturally, so to speak, they almost rob Africa ... and opera divas with the highest technical. they do not specifically produce ecology specifically so igils do not create ... in my opinion, paitsany still have a fuse for success. this is exactly what the mobsters themselves are trying to devour nepihuemie and astanavitsa cannot ... for a thousand years they could not.
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 27 December 2020 15: 36
      0
      for two not broken - four beaten give. the faster our financial block would be beaten (they squeezed money) - the budget policy within the country would be changed.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 27 December 2020 16: 10
        +2
        The SYSTEM suits everything, they will replace the "old marriage with a new one", the same for all business.
    3. Vadim_888
      Vadim_888 27 December 2020 18: 14
      +2
      ... The fact takes place.
      What to do???

      Cancel all flights to the United States and Britain,
      Prohibit dual citizenship with the United States and Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, apply to Interpol for everyone who has this citizenship ...
      Revoke the validity of all diplomas issued in these countries except for medical and technical specialties ...
      1. Alf
        Alf 27 December 2020 21: 09
        +1
        Quote: Vadim_888
        Prohibit dual citizenship with the United States and Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, apply to Interpol for everyone who has this citizenship ...

        To our "elite" itself on .. the organ came ??? You, my friend, think what you are saying ...
    4. Pashhenko Nikolay
      Pashhenko Nikolay 27 December 2020 18: 15
      +5
      Selling foreign assets to our elite and pursuing an independent policy without fear of sanctions, for example. Probably from the point of view of that very elite, a blasphemous proposal.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 27 December 2020 18: 26
        0
        The SYSTEM will not agree to this, and it is difficult to influence it.
    5. Alf
      Alf 27 December 2020 21: 07
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      US pressure on arms importers prevents the Russian Federation from selling military equipment abroad.

      The fact takes place.
      What to do???

      It is necessary to impose retaliatory sanctions against the United States. For example, stop calling them "partners" .. They'll get scared and cut the back one right away ... Well, as expected, express a serious concern, otherwise we ... um, uh, we'll do something, we don't know what, but we'll do it. .. laughing
  5. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 27 December 2020 15: 00
    -2
    How much such a decision can correspond to the statements of the Indonesian command about the modernization of the air force is an open question.

    Well, they have their own vision of modernization lol
  6. for
    for 27 December 2020 15: 05
    +7
    Immediately impose sanctions on the supply of palm oil.
    1. Falx
      Falx 27 December 2020 16: 13
      -3
      what for? Do we really need oil, or not? propose to become dependent on one supplier (Malaysia) instead of two?
      Or do you have something to replace this oil with?

      in the medium and long term, these unfortunate Austrian Typhoons are not an option for Indonesia. They will need new planes, and they will buy. In our country or in the states. And here you propose to introduce sanctions against Indonesia?

      How about thinking at least half a step forward?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 16: 19
        +3
        Quote: Falx
        Or do you have something to replace this oil with?

        There is. Working off, for example. He drained the oil from the car, and at least baked the pies, even fry the eggs on it.
        1. Falx
          Falx 27 December 2020 16: 29
          +1
          Bon Appetit!
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 16: 29
            +2
            Quote: Falx
            Bon Appetit!

            Thank you!
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 28 December 2020 03: 56
        +2
        Quote: Falx
        do we really need oil or not

        In America, for some time now, palm oil has been on the list of enemies of the people, along with cholesterol, trans fats, salt, sugar and what else leads to weight gain, fatty plaques in blood vessels, problems with blood pressure, and other factors provoking premature death. On products positioned as healthy food, and not only for people, but even for animals, they specifically write in large quantities that the ingredients from the above list do not contain.
        And finally, in Russia from the age of palm oil did not know, people used sunflower, linseed, and hemp oil; Well, even noble ones from all sorts of Frances wrote Provence (that is, olive), and nothing, they lived and did not know all the newfangled sores.
        1. Serpet
          Serpet 28 December 2020 13: 21
          +9
          Quote: Nagan
          In America, for some time now, palm oil has been included in the list of enemies of the people.

          It's in America. And our producers are very addicted to it. Here it is necessary to change the GOSTs and the producers to knock on the kumpol.
    2. Vadim_888
      Vadim_888 27 December 2020 18: 21
      +3
      ... Immediately impose sanctions on the supply of palm oil

      It's straight to the bull's eye hi
    3. Revolver
      Revolver 28 December 2020 03: 57
      +3
      Quote: for
      Immediately impose sanctions on the supply of palm oil.

      You will only be healthier without this rubbish.
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 27 December 2020 15: 16
    0
    Just unfair competition ... from the US. So the enemies are. There is no need to expect anything else from them ... They will NEVER become friends. It remains to wait until they play with the sanctions so much that everyone is fed up, and everyone spits on these sanctions ...
    1. Mikhail S.
      Mikhail S. 27 December 2020 17: 15
      +2
      "Fair competition" is an oxymoron in these difficult times.
  8. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 27 December 2020 15: 42
    +1
    Ha.
    Is it expensive for Austria to maintain, but for Indonesia is it okay?
    And what, Gripena is not an option? Not much worse than Rafale, but much cheaper. And with the F16, there is no unification.
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 27 December 2020 16: 01
      -1
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      Ha.
      Is it expensive for Austria to maintain, but for Indonesia is it okay?
      And what, Gripena is not an option? Not much worse than Rafale, but much cheaper. And with the F16, there is no unification.

      wait, the Indonesians will look at the Gripen, the F-16, the old Tigers, and maybe even the Ukrainian MiG-29MU1. They will now begin to rummage around all the backyards, in search of where the quantity is larger and the price is cheaper.
      They have the same thing with armored vehicles. Their delegation traveled half of Europe, and everywhere was interested in the purchase of armored personnel carriers, etc.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 27 December 2020 17: 22
        +2
        So they bought it. They are generally great lovers of exotic things. Now they ride the Pandurs, including in the version of a wheeled tank.



        They also have an BTR-4


        And 80A.
    2. URAL72
      URAL72 27 December 2020 16: 10
      +1
      Above the sea, two engines are preferable, and Grippen has less range without outboards. Again, it is expensive.
    3. Vadim_888
      Vadim_888 27 December 2020 18: 38
      +1
      ... Ha.
      Is it expensive for Austria to maintain, but for Indonesia is it okay?

      If servicing according to European flight safety regulations and European wages is expensive,
      And if you do not comply, put used spare parts and pay locals, then it does not work out very well request
    4. Revolver
      Revolver 28 December 2020 04: 00
      0
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      Is it expensive for Austria to maintain, but for Indonesia is it okay?

      I don’t remember who said, but to the point: "We are not rich enough to buy cheap things." The Austrian women seem to be familiar with this, but the Indonesians have not yet reached it.
  9. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 27 December 2020 16: 21
    +1
    "The fact is that due to the high cost of operation and further modernization of these fighters in Austria in 2017, it was decided to abandon them."
    Apparently, Indonesia is richer than Austria.
  10. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 27 December 2020 16: 23
    -2
    Brothers in Indonesia and Ukraine buy scrap metal from the EU. As far as I understand, they offered a sickly rollback in Austria?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 27 December 2020 17: 25
      +1
      Well, what options does Indonesia have ??? They are still holding on to 100 BT-3 and BMP-3 contracts. For it was concluded before the sanctions and is not particularly loud. But if they ask, I won't be surprised that they will come out of it.


      Indonesia is wildly dependent on trade, technology and investment. Moreover, they want to catch a little gesheft against the background of Chinese hysteria, to transfer production from China.
  11. Irek
    Irek 27 December 2020 17: 38
    -1
    Javropes shake off their old stuff in the countries of the third league, as in the country "U".
  12. APASUS
    APASUS 27 December 2020 20: 47
    +1
    Instead of new Su-35 fighters, Indonesia is ready to purchase Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft that are being decommissioned in Austria.

    There is only one problem for Indonesia, it is unlikely that Austria will take palm oil fighters for used fighters.