Ukraine comments on the words of the NSDC deputy secretary about comparing Ukraine with a "hare", and Russia with a "bear"

In Ukraine, they comment on the statement of the Deputy Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council, General Serhiy Krivonos, in which he compared Ukraine and Russia with a hare and a bear. According to Krivonos, "from a position of strength, a hare cannot speak to a bear." Krivonos: "Then the bear will eat him like a badger and like a beaver."

Deputy Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine:

We are still weaker than this bear. But we need to grow and get stronger.

Such statements by Krivonos caused a mixed reaction in Ukraine. The radicals accused him of "defeatism", many others noted the validity of statements that Kiev should long ago stop talking to Moscow from a position of strength. Even more heated disputes arose over the words about the need for the "hare" to grow and get stronger.

Evgeny Muraev, a well-known politician in Ukraine, shared his thoughts on this with the Ukrainians. On the air of the NASH TV channel, he said that Russia is "not just a bear", Russia also has a nuclear weapon.

Muraev:

I want to say to this wonderful person: Russia is a nuclear country. In addition to being a "bear", it also has a nuclear bomb. This is for you to understand.

According to Muraev, the military budget of this "bear is bigger than the entire budget of a hare."

Muraev added that in this case, the "hare" is simply ridiculous to tell that he "will grow up and become stronger." The politician noted that while in Ukraine they are taking money from teachers and doctors, sending them to the Ministry of Defense, where everything is rotten from corruption.

Plot on Ukrainian TV:

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[Pessimist22]

Ukraine is not a hare but a pig

[Lionnvrsk]

I suggest she become a skunk! Then Russia itself will recoil from the gallop.

[Pessimist22]

Pig, they prepare themselves for slaughter

[Ros 56]

And not just a pig, but a dirty one.

[Revolver]

Quote: Pessimist22

Ukraine is not a hare but a pig

More precisely, hog. What is the difference from a boar, you know, or suggest?

[Insurgent]

Ukraine comments on the words of the NSDC deputy secretary about comparing Ukraine with a "hare", and Russia with a "bear"

[major147]

Quote: Insurgent

Ukraine comments on the words of the NSDC deputy secretary about comparing Ukraine with a "hare", and Russia with a "bear"

Let me correct

Of course the bunny needs to be grown up. Small, not convenient.

[major147]

Quote: major147

Quote: Insurgent

Ukraine comments on the words of the NSDC deputy secretary about comparing Ukraine with a "hare", and Russia with a "bear"

Let me correct

Of course the bunny needs to be grown up. Small, not convenient.

To my minusator - know your place, bunny!

[Insurgent]

Quote: major147

To my minusator - know your place, bunny!

Yours, up to my, like crustaceans to Kiev ... Well, YES - mine, in the same hole.

[major147]

Quote: Insurgent

Yours, to mine, as to Kiev crustaceans ... Well, YES - mine, in the same hole.

They are just so shy

[Baloo]

Quote: Pessimist22

Ukraine is not a hare but a pig

... who wants to look like a brave hare.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

who wants to seem like a brave hare.
And so - 300 years ...

[iouris]

Pig as a result of genetic XspIment.

[tTshka]

Piggy)))

[major147]

Quote: tTshka

Pig

It should look something like this

[Baloo]

I never saw it, but it looks like it. But this is him in childhood. Right now, teeth too. Oxygen cylinders often exploded in the news.

[Vladimir61]

People are already tired of commenting on the nonsense that idiots generate there daily.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Vladimir61

People are already tired of commenting on the nonsense that idiots generate there daily.

These are struggling to erase the memory of the joint construction of the Great Country. Russian Empire - USSR! We explored Siberia together, fought shoulder to shoulder. We went on voyages around the world. They studied, were friends, loved. And that's all ... Now the memory of the common Great ancestors is being erased. It's more convenient to manage confused people this way.

[Ovsigovets]

"not in horse food"
"take the load by yourself so as not to fall when walking"
and many different and varied proverbs))))))))
how many hares do not feed, why do not you swing it, and the bear, even at the age of a bear cub, will still eat it))))))

[Uncle lee]

we need to grow and get stronger.

Our calves, and eat the wolf!

[Uncle lee]

Duc is a Russian proverb ...

[Evdokim]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Duc is a Russian proverb ...

There is also this: "How many wolf do not feed, the elephant ......... thicker !!!

[major147]

Quote: Ovsigovets

how many hares do not feed

In their understanding, a hare should look something like this

[Tagan]

Quote: Pessimist22

Ukraine is not a hare but a pig

Definitely. After the hare grunted, all questions disappeared.

[Errr]

It is not at all necessary to consider any animal named after Bunny as a rabbit.

[FahrerLKW]

The point is that in Ukraine they want to cultivate and expand hatred of Russia. And for this it is not allowed to mention any good news about Russia, so the Russian vaccine and any contacts with Russia will not be purchased. Contempt and disdain are fostered in spite of any reality. It is better to be a slave in the EU and a US puppet than a Little Russian.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

It is better to be a slave in the EU and a US puppet than a Little Russian.
Exactly. And such-85 percent of the population of the outskirts. I do not understand for whom the GDP was going to double the vaccine. They need a rabies vaccine, not a virus.

[Krasnoyarsk]

With such comments, you please the parents of all Maidans in Ukraine. The CIA, SNB, MI6 are happy, they have achieved their goal.

[vitvit123]

And what comments will the CIA, MI6, SBU, etc. not like?
As an example: gas to Ukraine is free, understand and forgive, they are also normal, good people, they do not want us harm, they love us, etc. ?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: vitvit123

And what comments will the CIA, MI6, SBU, etc. not like?

Those, which will reflect a full understanding of what is happening in Ukraine, the reasons and perpetrators of this situation and the ways out of it.
I believe that you understand that the way out of this situation does not lie in ridicule, fear, threats and other negativity towards Ukraine, especially its people.
I would compare Ukraine with a sick person who can and should be treated. But who treats the patient with ridicule and insults?
And your nonsense about gas, etc. - a child's (based on emotions) understanding of the real situation.

[vitvit123]

You are definitely wrong about emotions. My opinion is that Ukraine for a long time, for many, does not cause any special emotions .. besides gas (there was a little humor here), I gave other examples of which you are talking about ..., understand and forgive?

[major147]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

I would compare Ukraine with a sick person who can and should be treated. But who treats the patient with ridicule and insults?

Or maybe they get the vaccine free Any sweets like a normal relative in the hospital? They take our kindness for weakness. No! The medicine will be bitter!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: major147

Or maybe they get the vaccine for free?

Maybe so. After all, the vaccine is used to save the people, but not the authorities.
Only, it seems to me that having received a free vaccine, the ukrovlast will vaccinate the people exclusively for money.
This is the power in Ukraine. This is who should be spread rot, not the people.
But, alas, you will not understand this, as I understood from many comments like you.

[major147]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

This is the power in Ukraine. This is who should be spread rot, not the people.
But, alas, you will not understand this, as I understood from many comments like you.

That is, this "power" on the Maidans demands "a moskolyak on a gilyak, burns people in Odessa, bombs Luhansk and kills children in Zuhres, but has nothing to do with the people ?!" 2014 on one of the ukro-sites.On the statement of a Russian about the financial assistance provided by 3 billion dollars for Ukraine, an ordinary Ukrainian, as I see it, not endowed with power, said literally: “We will take and use this money, and then we will spit in your face! "
What to expect from such people? Spit in "gratitude"? This has happened more than once.
Maybe this is something you do not understand, or do not want to understand? Or maybe you specifically want the Russians to turn around to face the "Ukrainian people", so that it would be more convenient for them to spit?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: major147

provided by fin. aid 3 billion dollars for Ukraine, an ordinary Ukrainian, as I see it, not endowed with power, said literally: "We will take and use this money, and then we will spit in your face!" What to expect from such people?

And that caused you cognitive dissonance?
You think so - Navalny said - ".............", yeah, since Navalny is a citizen of Russia, it means the people of Russia said it. What to expect from such people?
Once again, I admire your intelligence.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Major 147, you are in the top ten. This is exactly the people who take elementary kindness for weakness. I was personally convinced. More than once. And when you treat them like pigs, they really understand and appreciate it. It is clear to them. For them, the attitude towards pigs and cattle is normal and does not cause bewilderment. I guarantee you, I checked it, repeatedly.

[major147]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

when you treat them like pigs, they really understand and appreciate it.

Genetics. They have always been someone's slaves.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Yes. And they always thought slavishly. Once on the internet I came across a quote from A.I. Denikin on Ukrainian independence. The general looked into the water!

[major147]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Once on the internet I came across a quote from A.I. Denikin on Ukrainian independence.

Are you talking about this?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Yes. Gold words.

[major147]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Yes. Gold words.

I cannot disagree. And the history of all their attempts proves the general's rightness.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I agree. There is no objection. I am only amazed at the level of education in the Russian Imperial Army, if the generals were that much, smart and educated.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

I would compare Ukraine with a sick person who can and should be treated. But who treats the patient with ridicule and insults?

You are right, only surgical intervention can be cured, homeopathy is powerless here.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: tihonmarine

You are right, only surgical intervention can be cured, homeopathy is powerless here.

It all depends on the diagnosis. This disease is caused by Western propaganda and very thoughtful. We must counter our militant counterpropaganda.
And all these ridicule, smirks, derogatory remarks about the people, in no way contribute to the zombification of the people. But they only exacerbate the situation. You read such comments and marvel at the intellectual level of those who wrote. Is it so hard to force yourself to think a little. Turn off female emotions and turn on male logic.
The people of Ukraine fell victim to a monstrous multi-level operation of the special services.
And you accuse the people of being a victim. What nonsense.
As if you came to the doctor, and instead of prescribing treatment, he began to mock you and reproach you for being ill. The situation is one to one.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

The people of Ukraine fell victim to a monstrous multi-level operation of the special services.
And you accuse the people of being a victim. What nonsense.

It’s stupidity when this people was deceived, when a small handful of Natsiks turned the whole country into an evil herd. I can understand 30 year olds born after the collapse, but when I hear and see this in 50 year olds, then there is no excuse for them. What are you suggesting to feel sorry for them and pat them on the head? Maybe it was not the people who rode on the Maidan, and it was not the people who killed the old people and children of Donbas

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: tihonmarine

about hearing and seeing at 50 year olds, then there is no excuse for them. What are you suggesting to feel sorry for them and pat them on the head?

Yes, you hear me at last !!! This is not what I suggest! I propose not to throw the logs into the fire of the war between nations that has ignited the collective West. Thus, you are helping the enemy !!!

Quote: tihonmarine

Maybe it was not the people who rode on the Maidan, and it was not the people who killed the old people and children of Donbas

No! Not the people, but its small, but well-organized, part of the people.
Accusing the people of Maidan you forget about ANTIMAYDAN. Why don't you associate him with the people? Or was it not the people of Ukraine at the anti-Maidan? Who then? Martians? You have been well trained in the dual approach techniques.
If the Maidan control center was at the US embassy, ​​and this is no secret to anyone, then why was the anti-Maidan leadership not at the Russian embassy? Yes, in fact, the actions of the anti-Maidan were left to chance.
Unlike the Maidan, which has clear, structured governing bodies, the anti-Maidan had none of this. (I don't even ask where the Russian special services were)
Do not toss logs onto the fire. Look at the reaction of Ukrainians to the withdrawal of Crimea and Donbass through the prism of patriotism. Do not think that patriotism is unique to us.

[FahrerLKW]

With such comments, you please the parents of all Maidans in Ukraine. The CIA, SNB, MI6 are happy, they have achieved their goal.

So you agree on the whole truth about the FSB and Russian agents of influence, and who fed and supported the Natsiks during the Yanyka period, you blamed the West, but Russia received all the buns for health reasons.
Well, yes, Russian heroes beat the west again)
Ps sanctions are a pitiful price to pay for Crimea ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: FahrerLKW

So you agree on the whole truth about the FSB and Russian agents of influence and who

The truth? Yes, please - the FSB slept through and asked for Ukraine. And their counterparts from the CIA and other special services of the West took advantage of this and made Anti-Russia out of Ukraine. And you, not only you specifically, with joy and hooting help them in their work in this direction.
When you accuse the authorities of Ukraine, this is one thing, but when you accuse the WHOLE people of Ukraine, it is completely different. By accusing ALL the people, you are deepening the ditch, dug by "Western partners, separating the peoples of Russia and Ukraine, that is, you are playing into the hands of the enemies of Russia and Ukraine. Is that something you are at least able to understand?"

[FahrerLKW]

And you are able to understand that a useless handful of Ukronatsik are non-Ukrainians! More precisely, they do not represent the people of Ukraine, although they rule de facto politics, they received 0,01% of the vote in the elections. But you only benefit from seeing them and making Ukrainians look like idiots. You want Ukrainians, Russians and other peoples in Ukraine to come to terms with the loss of Crimea and Donbass, and you also dare to blame us, and why is there less and less people in Ukraine who have a positive attitude towards Russia. Let's say I'm Russian, but Ukraine is my Motherland. And after capturing Crimea and Donbass through our proxies and special services, it is good to blame everything on the game of the west, they say we defended, didn’t do anything, but the people decided on their own? Who are you fooling around, not, your site and I understand everything, but only you take into account the nuance, yes you got the territory of Ukraine, no matter their past history, reality cannot be changed. No one will fight for Crimea and Donbass, for some time politicians will still tell tales about the Ukrainian Crimea and Donbass, but the people will increasingly consolidate the image of Russia as an insidious enemy who, in difficult times, did not help brotherly, but insidiously captured part of our territory.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: FahrerLKW

And you are able to understand that a useless bunch of Ukronatsik are non-Ukrainians! More precisely, they do not represent the people of Ukraine, although they rule de facto politics, they received 0,01% of the vote in the elections. But you only benefit from seeing them and making the Ukrainians look like idiots.

Absolutely agree with you.

Quote: FahrerLKW

You want Ukrainians, Russians and other peoples in Ukraine to come to terms with the loss of Crimea and Donbass

Ukrainians will have to come to terms. And there is no need to blame anyone for this loss. You yourself are to blame. If your wife left you for another man, then what does he have to do with it? You are to blame. You could not give your wife what she was supposed to receive - love, respect, material security.
Do not deceive yourself, forget the words - they were taken away, annexed, etc. Use the word - gone. Crimea and Donbass GONE from you. YOURSELF !!! They were simply accepted. If they didn’t want them, no one could take them.

Quote: FahrerLKW

but the people will increasingly consolidate the image of Russia as an insidious enemy, who in difficult times did not help brotherly, but insidiously seized part of our territory.

I will repeat once again - no one has captured anything from you. Have the courage to admit it to yourself. And in the end, learn to respect the will of the people. The people of Crimea expressed their will at the referendum. The people of Donbass are forced by force of arms, after the bloody pastor sent troops, to defend their choice.
And, at the expense of fraternal assistance, how much nastiness the Ukrainian media have said to Russia since 91. How did Russia respond? - Fabulously cheap prices for gas and oil products. How did Ukraine thank you? - "Moskalyaku on gillyaku" and the prohibition of the Russian language !!!

[Lvalentine]

It's funny what you write under the influence of propaganda. Crimea was transferred to the Russian Federation by Ukraine voluntarily. All the Ukrainian military units stationed in Crimea, and this is more than 40000 bayonets, were disbanded by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine and there was no talk of any order of resistance. So to speak, Russian units maintained order and did not try to storm the Ukrainian military. The Maidan authorities not only passively watched the process, but also restrained any resistance. Donbass is not a topic for Russia at all. Putin's reaction to the events in Donbas was sharply negative. Russia does not need Donbas, there is nothing there that is not in Russia. This war was not coordinated by the West with Russia, in contrast to the Crimea. And the fact that Russian-speakers are fighting there does not mean that Russia is fighting against Ukraine. Moreover, very often harsh statements about the Russian Federation are heard from the LPR and DPR. This conflict is financed by the West and the Ukrainian authorities are doing everything to make this war endlessly according to instructions. Peace will come to Ukraine only after the goals of those who organized the rivalry are achieved. To understand what is happening in Ukraine, one must accept the fact that the Russian Federation plays on the side of the West. Address your grievances to those who betrayed and sold your country, and Russia and the Russian people have no relation to
events in Ukraine has not.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

Let's say I'm Russian, but Ukraine is my Motherland.

You will forgive me for wedging in, but I hurt you! Ukrainian, this is not a nationality, this is a political orientation, and frankly anti-Russian from the very beginning! My ancestors in the male line from the Khmelnytsky region, but they were never Ukrainians, they were just lucky enough to leave to develop Siberia even before the Bolshevik Ukrainization of Little Russia. And the Crimeans have always, since the moment of joining the Ukrainian SSR, persistently opposed Ukrainization. After the collapse of the USSR, Crimeans repeatedly raised the issue of returning to Russia, they clearly showed that they were not on their way with Russophobes, and the Maidan only accelerated and facilitated this process!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

The truth? Yes, please - the FSB slept through and asked for Ukraine.

And also the KGB slept, since the arrival of Nikita Khrushchev "on the kingdom".

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

Much earlier than Khrushchev, the Bolsheviks pursued a policy of "Ukrainization" of Little Russia, that is where the root of all evil with today's Ukraine is!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Ovsigovets

If specifically for me the speech,

So we are talking about the people. So I ask - who chose to fight and under what slogans. Or does our people have the right to make mistakes, while other people have no such right? Who chose the iPhone, the Chinese?
So they bear responsibility - life is nowhere worse. But everything is not enough for you, you are our bloodthirsty.

[Ovsigovets]

as I wrote above - I did not choose Borya, but I answered like the whole people of the Russian Federation for choosing the majority ... no one regretted me when I worked as a cadet in addition to studying at night ....... and I will not regret - let them answer

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ovsigovets

and who who chose their rulers? and under what slogans did these rulers go?

"Glory to the heroes! Moskolyak to gilyak!", And I have never heard or seen in any Ukrainian media, where there would be "Russians and Ukrainians, friends and brothers!"

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: tihonmarine

"Glory to the heroes! Moskolyak to gilyak!", And I have never heard or seen in any Ukrainian media, where there would be "Russians and Ukrainians, friends and brothers!"

Well, honey, that's how the media works. And you don't know that?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Well, honey, that's how the media works. And you don't know that?

We all know about the media, but theirs media occasionally and the streets of their cities show where I heard all these slogans, but I have not heard about the "brothers".

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: tihonmarine

We all know about the media, but theirs media occasionally and the streets of their cities show where I heard all these slogans, but I have not heard about the "brothers".

Fu you well you. And you will not hear. I repeat - this is how the media work.
Watch the Ukrainian TV channel "NASH", which Yanelokh wants to close. You can find it on YouTube. Look, for example, - Elena Lukash or Elena Bondarenko, or Evgeny Muraeva. They, too, are the people of Ukraine. Or not?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Look, for example, - Elena Lukash or Elena Bondarenko, or Evgeny Muraeva. They, too, are the people of Ukraine. Or not?

There are some, but rarely. Respect for them.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: tihonmarine

There are some, but rarely. Respect for them.

And you certainly don't know why - rarely?
Are they the people of Ukraine or the Martians?
You are saying here that the people hate Russia and are at war with her.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

You are saying here that the people hate Russia and are at war with her.

It is not the people who are fighting, but the Bandera, the Nazis and their adherents, which are not so few. And the people are squeezed in a wild vice, having no strength to fight against the created regime.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: tihonmarine

It is not the people who are fighting, but the Bandera, the Nazis and their adherents, which are not so few. And the people are squeezed in a wild vice, having no strength to fight against the created regime.

Bravo. I subscribe to your every word.
This is what I want to convey to the local regulars.
And me cons are a continuous stream. I don't give a damn about the cons. But do not spit on people who disagree with my, and now yours, point of view.
How people cannot understand that it is impossible to equate the people and the authorities in Ukraine.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

How people cannot understand that it is impossible to equate the people and the authorities in Ukraine.

Ukraine. This is the territory that after the 13th century was under Austria and Poland, and for 700 years was not associated with either Russia or Little Russia. They have a mentality, and life is different. And the Ukraine we know is part of the Russian Empire and the Ukrainian SSR, it is a completely different Ukraine. And those with whom we sipped soup together from the same pot, drank bitter from the same glass, and stood with our backs to each other in the seas, we had no nationality, we were just Soviet sailors, Soviet people.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: tihonmarine

Ukraine. This is the territory that after the 13th century was under Austria and Poland, and for 700 years was not associated with

Nope. This is Galicia. Ukraine is different. Everything is much more complicated. There are also the Rusyns, whose delegation came to Moscow in 1998 in search of support in their efforts to achieve "cultural autonomy" within Ukraine. I had a conversation with them over a cup of tea. Look in the search engine for materials about Telerhof and Terezin and you will learn something about the mentality of the Galicians.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

I had a conversation with them over a cup of tea. Look in the search engine for materials about Telerhof and Terezin and you will learn something about the mentality of the Galicians.

You don't need to look, my two classmates are from Mukachevo. And one of them has Kalina, the surname corresponds to the nationality.
My father's brother served in the NKVD and Smersh in Lvov in 1940 and after the war. He told a lot about the Galicians, and in the early 70s I was the first to learn from him about the Volyn events.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

people hate Russia and are at war with her.

Of course, I answered this, but I cannot fully understand what and why this happened. If my cousin, born in the Smolensk region. RSFSR, after the institute sent to Kiev. Now we occasionally communicate, and immediately there are claims to me, "that we Russians have seized Crimea, Donbass and are at war with Ukraine."
Despite the fact that I have been living in Estonia for 50 years, I have nothing to do with the events in Ukraine. And that she is as Russian as I am. I cannot understand this.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: tihonmarine

I answered this of course, but I still cannot understand

You know, I think I understand why this is the case with your sister. She is most likely married with children. Those. rooted in Ukraine, considers it his homeland. And here it is ... After all, they are hammered into their heads from every iron that Russia treacherously seized Crimea and is killing "our children in Donbass." It is easy for a person who is far from politics to hammer this into his head. And immediately there is a completely normal feeling of patriotism. After all, this feeling is inherent not only to us. There are patriotic people in every country. This is normal.
The only trouble is that people trust the media too much. Do not forget that Ukraine has banned the broadcasting of Russian TV, turned off Odnoklassniki.
You remember the well-known expression - "if a person is told every day that he is a pig, then after a while he will grunt."
It seems to me that this is exactly the case.
The people from the iron were told that it was. And that's all, it is easier for a person to believe than to waste his time looking for the truth.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

You know, I think I understand why this is the case with your sister. She is most likely married with children.

It's funny but there are no children and now my husband. And the age is "fifty dollars with a small". My brother and I called her to Estonia - I don't want to, my sister to Minsk - I don't want to, my mother called her to Yelnya - I don't want to. He does not ask me for money, he knows my cool temper, but asks for my brother and mother. Has got used to Ukraine or what, I don't know. But then I worked in the seas, when I had half a crew from Ukraine, although they were selected people by me, and I constantly visited all the ports of Ukraine, and saw life there firsthand, especially in Nikolaev, Ilyichevsk, Odessa, and before (God forbid in Kerch).

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: tihonmarine

Has got used to Ukraine or what,

Precisely, that - stuck. At this age, it is difficult to change your place of residence. Don't be angry with her. She is only to blame for the fact that she is being deceived every day ukroSMI I sincerely sympathize with you.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Exactly, that - got used to it. At this age, it is difficult to change your place of residence. Don't be angry with her.

You can't get angry, you can't understand either. I myself have lived in Estonia all my life, and it’s impossible for me to change, because my sons and grandchildren were born and live here.
But we live as we were taught when we got into another environment "you or with them, or with us." We stayed "with Us" - culture, religion, holidays are all Russian, and all the propaganda acted on us in the opposite direction, so they no longer come to us. We have our own Russian-speaking community.
And in Ukraine everyone seems to be "ours", but in fact "not ours, but strangers."
Those Ukrainians and Russians in Ukraine who were "ours" remained (I took only such people in my crew). But the youth are no longer ours.
I had a sailor with a sonorous name - Ivanov, from Kherson. I asked who he was, the answer was Ukrainian. Why - the answer is we all who live in Ukraine are Ukrainians.
“Well, then I’m an Estonian, since I live in Estonia,” he thought for a long time, and the answer was “no, you’re Russian, in Estonia all Russians remain Russians, and in Ukraine all who live in Ukraine are Ukrainians.” Until the end of the contract, I gave him to finalize.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: tihonmarine

And in Ukraine everyone seems to be "ours", but in fact "not ours, but strangers."

The key word is "it seems." Take my word for it - not all. Well, you watched reports from Ukraine, where on May 9, despite the official ban (the Rada made such a decision), thousands of Kievans, attaching a St. George ribbon to their chest, walk along Khreshchatyk.

Quote: tihonmarine

I had a sailor with a sonorous name - Ivanov

Yes, it's sad. He is one of those "Ivans who do not remember kinship" To renounce nationality is the same as to renounce patronymic. Give up the father, i.e. from his kind. This is akin to betrayal.
Will the global offensive of the West to the East be crowned with another victory and they will tear Ukraine away from us? We need to do everything to prevent this from happening. For this, we ourselves must not tear Ukraine away from ourselves. Keep it by all available means. At the household level. Communicate with them, without hysteria and insults, patiently explain their position, show them their mistakes. Hope that our state. husbands are also working in this direction.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Will the global offensive of the West to the East be crowned with another victory and they will tear Ukraine away from us?

They will be torn away if the Ukrainian people do not understand where the "games of the west" will lead them. And how to help him, I honestly don't know. I still communicate with my colleagues, but mostly they are from Crimea, Odessa and Zaporozhye. As we were Soviet, we have remained, we have nothing to divide.

[Malyuta]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

When you accuse the people of choosing such a power, remember your choice of a fighter.

Comrade, our rabid orthodox people do not care that we have no gas supply to 30% of settlements and they are not worried about the fact that there are schools where children relieve themselves in a village "point" and at the same time children are in love with a terrible and bald person, accidentally hitting the heights of power.

[Ovsigovets]

miles sorry))) is that a new "manechka" to gasify everything)))) I have electricity in my house .... let's not gasify my 9-storey house? a?)))))

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Ovsigovets

miles sorry))) is that a new "manechka" to gasify everything)))) I have electricity in my house .... let's not gasify my 9-storey house? a?)))))

At the very end of the 80s, in one of the villages of the Kostroma region. a whole street was built for the workers of the state farm. Each house-apartment was supplied with a mini boiler room with wood and electricity with an entrance from the street. Each owner himself decided how to heat the house-apartment. Usually they fired with wood during the day (this is cheaper, and at night they turned on electric heating (TEN). In the 90s, your like-minded people came to power and, in order not to consume a lot of electricity, jumpers were installed on the power transmission line poles, which burned out when the current load was higher than normal (when the heating elements of the boiler were turned on.) So, dear. And during those frosts it was necessary to heat CONTINUOUSLY at night. That is, not to sleep. Here is the owner, and if he is not, then the hostess, the whole night and run to throw firewood in the furnace. But you sleep, sleep, you have electricity in your house, the main thing is that you feel good. And you don't give a damn about fellow citizens.

[HAM]

Zelensky hopes that under Biden, relations between the states and Ukraine will improve ... there will be more buns .... I believe that the opposite will be true. If the Republicans raise the topic of corruption of Biden's son (and they will), then Biden will shy away from one word: "Ukraine "....
The hare will remain a rabbit ... a guinea pig ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: HAM

Zelenskiy hopes that under Biden, relations between the states and Ukraine will improve ... there will be more goodies.

You don’t give buns for nothing, you have to earn them by wagging your tail in front of the new owner.

[stalkerwalker]

I remember a joke about a donkey, which was mistaken for a hare.
The hare will grow into a donkey. Banderovsky. But God, as you know, did not give horns to the vigorous cow ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: stalkerwalker

But God, as you know, did not give horns to the vigorous cow ...

There is a proverb, by the way, primordially suburban - "God forbid, pigs, that same horns"

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Insurgent

There is a proverb, by the way, primordially suburban - "God forbid, pigs, that horns"

A good proverb, and just in time and place.

[Vovk]

To the author, will you discuss every sneeze on TV programs from Ukraine on VO?
Can you all the same be engaged in a serious matter - military analytics based on figures from real facts?

[2 Level Advisor]

I agree .. and then - someone farted on the edge of the country, immediately give to discuss on the VO .. there is nothing to talk about?

[svan26]

Well, sometimes you have to laugh in the morning. Imagine, such a strong, two-meter hare, with upper saber-toothed incisors! With machine-gun belts cross to cross, throws himself at the bear! Picture...

[2 Level Advisor]

in this format - I agree

[major147]

Quote: svan26

Imagine, such a strong, two-meter hare, with upper saber-toothed incisors! Cross to cross with machine gun belts

[major147]

Quote: Vovk

To the author, will you discuss every sneeze on TV programs from Ukraine on VO?
Can you all the same be engaged in a serious matter - military analytics based on figures from real facts?

The enemy who is at war with Russia in all seriousness needs to be known from all sides.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: major147

The enemy who is at war with Russia in all seriousness needs to be known from all sides.

Is Ukraine at war with Russia? Then you spilled balm on the tormented souls of all the Natsiks of Ukraine. They will reward you with a piece of bacon measuring 2 by 3 meters, of course.

[major147]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

They will reward you with a piece of bacon measuring 2 by 3 meters, of course.

I will not accept it. I will disdain .....

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: major147

I will not accept it. I will disdain .....

This is not the point, the point is that they will be rewarded.
They do not care whether you deliberately pour water on their mill or being not quite sane.

[major147]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Is Ukraine at war with Russia?

I'm just wondering, will the words of the Ukrainian ambassador stated on the embassy website convince you?
And just in case, I'll attach a reference, you never know what
https://tajikistan.mfa.gov.ua/news/3434-posol-v-ukraine-net-grazhdanskoj-vojny-idet-vojna-rossii-protiv-ukrainy
And let me ask you a question: "Whose Crimea?"

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: major147

I'm just wondering, will the words of the Ukrainian ambassador stated on the embassy website convince you?

In what? In the fact that Russia attacked Ukraine? After all, this is what the ambassador is talking about - “there is a war between Russia against Ukraine.” How can Russia conduct military operations with the country without attacking it? So she attacked. And you agree with that. is not it?
No, not convinced. Russia is not at war with Ukraine. I mean fighting. As well as Ukraine and Russia. Otherwise, in the Crimea, the guns would rumble.

Quote: major147

And let me ask you a question: "Whose Crimea?"

Oh, Major, so you are one of the horses! They are the ones who ask this marker question all the time.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Ovsigovets

you are verbiage)))))

And you do not know Russian. Alas for you.

Quote: Ovsigovets

Russia and Russians are considered enemies - everything else is masturbation from the evil one

Yeah. Listen to what E. Lukash, E. Bondarenko, E. Muraev say, I can continue to enumerate, but I suppose that it is not for a horse to feed, they are also Ukrainians and live in Ukraine. But you do not listen to them, you only listen to what the media shout about to please their masters.
In order to draw correct conclusions about what is happening in Ukraine, it is necessary to receive information from there every day from various sources. But you don't have enough time. Why do you bother, it's better to hit pivasik. You already "know everything" and you have already dotted "and".

[major147]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

And you do not know Russian.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Why do you bother, it's better to hit pivasik.

Look good people! Our pan "know-it-all" described everyone, hung all the "labels"! But then the question arises: "Who are the judges ?!" Who are you to judge people you don't know at all? Or megalomania along with an inferiority complex bothering you? So with this you go to the doctor.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: major147

Look good people! Our pan "know-it-all" described everyone, hung all the "labels"!

Why - everyone? You! After all, the word "you" I wrote with a capital letter.

[major147]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Why - everyone? You! After all, the word "you" I wrote with a capital letter.

In your twilight state you did not notice how Ovsigovets (Roman Tsyganenko) "marked". Or "I remember here, I don't remember here"?

[major147]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Oh, Major, so you are one of the horses! They are the ones who ask this marker question all the time.

For my part, I will note that you are a very bad analyst, but my question was never answered ...
"Russia is not at war with Ukraine. I mean military operations. Like Ukraine and Russia."
I understand that you have nothing, but try to understand. Fighting and being at war are two different things. If Ukraine has a ton of guts to fight against the Russian Federation, this does not prevent their presidents from running around the world and whining. And their government does not bother to declare the Russian Federation "aggressor".
By the way, sculpting "labels" on opponents is not a good sign. By the way, medical.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: major147

I understand that you have nothing, but try to understand. Fighting and being at war are two different things.

But wait, dear, you just agreed with the ambassador's words that "There is no civil war in Ukraine, there is a war between Russia and Ukraine."
There is a war going on, this is a war, not a state of war.
I claim that Russia is not waging a war against Ukraine, just as Ukraine is not waging a war against Russia. And for a better understanding, I added especially for you - I mean military operations.
This is my position. What is yours, I do not understand, after your twitching - then - yes, then - no, then - different things ...
Calm down already. I have due respect for your merits in Chechnya, but do not be angry, you do not at all understand what is happening in Ukraine. Who and what is to blame. And there are a lot of guilty ones. And some of the people too. But only a fraction.

[major147]

Well, since "respected", I will answer the same.
Dear, let's point by point.
I did not agree with the words of the ambassador, I only cited them in confirmation of the official position of Ukraine on the state of war with the Russian Federation. I agree with you that the Russian Federation is not waging a war with Ukraine, but I do not agree that Ukraine responds in kind to us. Who calls whom in official documents an "occupier"? Whose officials are calling for the seizure of Russian lands? And if Ukrainian troops do not shoot at the Russians, then this is by no means their good will, but only fear. The same fear prevents them from officially declaring war on the Russian Federation, as state officials also stated. This is my position, and your attempts to distort it are explained, to put it mildly, by your inattention.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Calm down already.

Let us not tell you what to do, but I will not tell you where to go ...

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

You do not understand at all what is happening in Ukraine. Who and what is to blame. And there are a lot of guilty ones. And some of the people too. But only a fraction.

I don’t understand why you take the right to decide who understands, who does not understand, who is right, who is wrong? What are you, Lord God? Do you know the truth? If not, then let me doubt your rights to judge people.
And at the expense of the people of Ukraine, until the guilty part deals with the guilty part, they are all for one thing. Crimea and Donbass have rebelled, and for that they have my respect, and let the rest of the "khatoskrainiki" lick the heels of their owners. Not to mention those isolated cases of resistance against the background of general agreement and gossip in the kitchen. I do not take information from my mind. My sister and her daughter live in Kiev, the daughter of another brother lives there. My wife comes from Kirovograd, where she has a lot of relatives. Svidomo has no worse enemy than my wife. I get information not only from the media.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: major147

RF. I agree with you that the Russian Federation is not waging a war with Ukraine, but I do not agree that Ukraine responds in kind to us. Who calls whom in official documents an "occupier"?

Sorry, but to call an occupier does not mean to fight (to fight)

Quote: major147

Whose officials are calling for the seizure of Russian lands? AND

But the calls of the "wildlings" are also not war!

Quote: major147

And at the expense of the people of Ukraine, until the guilty part deals with the guilty part, they are all for one thing.

Cool.

Quote: major147

And if Ukrainian troops do not shoot at the Russians, then this is by no means their good will, but only fear.

It is not important for whatever reasons they do not shoot. The main thing is that they do not shoot, which means that Ukraine is not at war with Russia. You yourself have confirmed this.

Quote: major147

This is my position, and your attempts to distort it

I don't want to distort anything. I just propose to adhere to clear formulations - 1. Ukraine is at war with us, or 2. Ukraine is not at war with us. Everything else is from the evil one. By the word war I meant, always, fighting
.

Quote: major147

are explained to put it mildly by your carelessness.

or inaccuracy of your wording.

Quote: major147

I don’t understand why you take the right to decide who understands, who does not understand, who is right, who is wrong?

No, I don't decide. I, in this case, only made a conclusion based on your posts. Agree, this is not the same thing.
I admit that you, like me by the way, not possessing literary talents, could inaccurately formulate your thought. As a result, I, in turn, could misunderstand you.

Quote: major147

Here Crimea and Donbass rebelled,

You know the history of the "Crimea uprising". Without the support of the Russian MTR, this "uprising" would have been defeated. As in Kharkov.
In Donbass, about the same, support was provided.
Therefore, it is wrong to blame the people for the fact that since they endure, it means they agree with the authorities and support them. Erroneous judgment!
You judge the people from a military position. It is not right. Wrong. Nard is not an army, he is disunited, he is concerned about survival here and now.
In addition, the media is doing everything so that in the minds of the average person, puzzles do not form a coherent picture. And without it, there will be no purposeful action.

Quote: major147

Kirovograd, where she has a lot of relatives. Svidomo has no worse enemy than my wife. I get information not only from the media.

It's good. But, I beg you, do not extrapolate your wife's opponents to the entire people of Ukraine.

[major147]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

By the word war I meant, always, fighting

How were I and other readers supposed to guess what you mean?

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

You, like me by the way, not possessing literary talents, could inaccurately formulate your thought.

Apparently this phrase explains everything.

[Ovsigovets]

so this is not news))))) Ukrainians (people) and the authorities of Ukraine claim that they are at war with the Russian Federation)))))

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Ovsigovets

so this is not news))))) Ukrainians (people) and the authorities of Ukraine claim that they are at war with the Russian Federation)))))

Lord, what have you done with this man's brain? His wind blows because the trees sway.

[Ovsigovets]

questions not to me and not to God))))) ask Ukrainians))

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Ovsigovets

questions not to me and not to God))))) ask Ukrainians))

So they are the masters of your brains?

[Ovsigovets]

I love manipulative juggling)))) it seems that there is a dialogue, but it is not ... there is a translation of arrows and no more

[Ovsigovets]

and by the way)))) with 2 cousins ​​out of 3 I do not communicate precisely because they have a "war"))) so to speak I dance from the original source

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Ovsigovets

and by the way)))) with 2 cousins ​​out of 3 I do not communicate precisely because they have a "war"))) so to speak I dance from the original source

But with one you communicate? So all is not lost?
And, judging by your position, is there a war in your head too?
But I, having no relatives among the Ukrainians, propose not to smear everyone with one myrrh, not to cut everyone with the same brush.

[Ovsigovets]

I am a pragmatic cynic)))))) I do not believe in a plush world of pink elephants ...... Poroshenko CHOSE the people of Ukraine, Zelensky CHOSE the people of Ukraine - the people of Ukraine will also answer according to the results. And they MUST answer

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Ovsigovets

I am a pragmatic cynic)))))) I do not believe in a plush world of pink elephants ...... Poroshenko CHOSE the people of Ukraine, Zelensky CHOSE the people of Ukraine - the people of Ukraine will also answer according to the results.

In Ukraine, like in our country, people are forced to choose between bad and very bad. Is not it?

Quote: Ovsigovets

And they MUST answer

So they already meet the level of their life. No?

[Ovsigovets]

whimper whimper .... poor poor they are ... we are army ... how much you drown - so much you burst

[Ovsigovets]

and yes ... I am ready to accept this particular brother and his daughters here - the maximum that I can do

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Ovsigovets

and yes ... I am ready to accept this particular brother and his daughters here - the maximum that I can do

Those. provide them with housing and registration?

[Ovsigovets]

yes ... housing and registration))))) I have this opportunity not to the detriment of my beloved

[tihonmarine]

We are still weaker than this bear. But we need to grow and get stronger.

And from a hare, grow into a rabbit, then we will face off against the bear.
Hmm .... And once the Ukrainians were called "Russian bears".

[Machnamh]

Quote: tihonmarine

And once the Ukrainians were called "Russian bears"

And not so long ago, China and the Chinese were also a large reservation of either homeless people, or ape-men ... Well, certainly not the world torch of progress and development. Just some 90 years ago ... V.I. Chuikov wrote at length in Mission in China. And now? Can't such a quick metamorphosis create fear? And certain thoughts, not always fun?

[cat Rusich]

About the fact that "hare" necessary grow up -

"Real boar" in NATO - usa ... The rest are a "flock of hares" .

[forester1971]

A hare, no matter how much you feed, he still won't be healthier than a bear.

[dmmyak40]

He said everything correctly: the hare must grow up and get stronger. Overgrow with fat. Then the bear and eat it.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: major147

For my part, I will note that you are a very bad analyst, but my question was never answered ...

And I do not dress in the toga of a great analyst. And I don't answer stupid questions.