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Foreign press: Military cooperation between China and Russia could lead to a challenge that the United States has not faced since the end of the Cold War

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Foreign press: Military cooperation between China and Russia could lead to a challenge that the United States has not faced since the end of the Cold War

The foreign press discusses the questions that are usually asked to representatives of the American political, military and intelligence elites about who poses the greatest threat to the United States. In the overwhelming majority of cases, American officials of various ranks, including representatives of the current or future administration, say that either Russia or China is the greatest threat. Or either...


The publication EurasianTimes says that the United States for some reason is not considering the option of a possible "unification of the Russian-Chinese threat."

From a published article:

If Chinese and Russian military technology merged, it could expose the United States, as NATO's leader, to greater risks.

In the same material, with reference to the British Royal Research Institute RUSI, they write that over the past decades, China has significantly increased the capacity of its military industry, and by this indicator the PRC has bypassed Russia.

From the report of the RUSI representatives:

As the superiority of Chinese weapons systems and production facilities for creating gliders over Russian counterparts becomes more and more evident, countries with political views or budgets that exclude the use of Western aircraft will pay more and more attention to Beijing, rather than Moscow, in search of equipment. ... Moreover, aviation the Soviet-era fleet continues to age.

At the same time, it is indicated that China has become a "real champion" in copying military equipment.

The publication notes that military cooperation between China and the Russian Federation can lead to the emergence of a challenge that the United States and NATO have not faced since the end of the Cold War.
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 17 December 2020 08: 39
    +13
    As I understand it, the United States does not intend to peacefully negotiate with either Russia or China, the stake is only on force, lies and sanctions.
    1. apro
      apro 17 December 2020 08: 42
      +2
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      As I understand it, the United States does not intend to peacefully negotiate with either Russia or China, the stake is only on force, lies and sanctions.

      Well, it is clear what to negotiate with the PRC, and what to negotiate with the Russian Federation?
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 17 December 2020 08: 45
        0
        Quote: apro
        and what to negotiate with the Russian Federation?

        On the transfer of the country under the external control of the United States.
        And please, don't "it's already done". Not done.
        1. apro
          apro 17 December 2020 08: 49
          +2
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
          On the transfer of the country under the external control of the United States.

          This is not negotiated. If the question arose about external management. Then this is the collapse of the state without any conventions. To agree on spheres of influence. On tariffs. On the exchange of prisoners.
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 17 December 2020 08: 53
            +5
            Quote: apro
            This is not negotiated. If the question of external management arose, then this is the collapse of the state without any conventions

            The life credo of the Anglo-Saxons is "either how we want or not."
            They tried - are still trying - to agree on SP-2, but their demand is unequivocal: no SP-2.
            And that's what they are all about. The agreements are solely on their terms, with full submission to them.
            1. apro
              apro 17 December 2020 08: 56
              -5
              Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
              The agreements are solely on their terms, with full submission to them.

              Russia sells resources in what currency? And at what price? And on what terms? Isn't this submission?
              1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                Sidor Amenpodestovich 17 December 2020 09: 20
                +4
                Russia sells resources in what currency? And at what price? And on what terms? Isn't this submission?

                Submission to circumstances, not the United States. Conjuncture. Pretending to be an orthodox nonconformist is like peeing against the wind.
                1. apro
                  apro 17 December 2020 09: 23
                  -6
                  Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                  Submission to circumstances, not the United States.

                  And who created these circumstances ??? Uncle Vasya Sayapin or sga?
                  1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                    Sidor Amenpodestovich 17 December 2020 09: 31
                    +5
                    Quote: apro
                    And who created these circumstances ??? Uncle Vasya Sayapin or sga?

                    USA. But if you use Google mail, search, and your phone is on your android, this does not mean that you obey Google.
                    The interaction of countries is several participants, at least two. And even if one does not want to obey the circumstances, the other may not agree with it.
                    An alternative will appear, no worse, they will use it. But for now we have to be content with what we have.
            2. military_cat
              military_cat 17 December 2020 09: 18
              -8
              Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
              their requirement is unambiguous: no SP-2.

              Since sectoral sanctions were imposed for "aggression in the southeast of Ukraine", the way to remove them and completely remove obstacles to the construction of the SP-2 exists formally, it just does not suit Russia at all.
              1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                Sidor Amenpodestovich 17 December 2020 09: 37
                +7
                Quote: military_cat
                Since sectoral sanctions were imposed for "aggression in the southeast of Ukraine", the way to remove them and completely remove obstacles to the construction of the SP-2 exists formally, it just does not suit Russia at all.

                This is just a formal pretext. We would introduce sanctions for Georgia, Transnistria. For Nemtsov. Would think of something.
                1. military_cat
                  military_cat 17 December 2020 11: 34
                  -5
                  With such a judgment, it is convenient to drive away restless thoughts from yourself, but whether our government is really doing everything well and correctly in foreign policy - but it is only an opinion that we cannot verify. However, there are facts when the US sanctions were lifted after the conditions were met.
                  1. tikhonov66
                    tikhonov66 19 December 2020 13: 27
                    0
                    "...
                    There are, however, acts when US sanctions were lifted after the conditions were met.
                    ..."
                    - Completeness! ... dear ...
                    The exception only proves the rule !!!
                    As the saying goes - "You are to blame for the fact that I want to eat ..."

                    Yes, the USSR, and then Russia - ALL (my) LIFE was "under sanctions"

                    - At first it was the notorious KOCOM - an "international" organization created in 1949 for multilateral control over exports to the USSR and other socialist countries,
                    - Then 1974 "Jackson Amendment" - Vanik to the US Trade Law, abolishing most favored nation treatment in trade, as well as the provision of loans and credit guarantees for countries that restrict the right of their citizens to emigrate. In addition, the amendment provided for the application of discriminatory tariffs on goods imported into the United States from countries with a "non-market" economy. And what is characteristic - the Jackson-Vanik amendment was officially canceled in relation to Russia by the US Congress - only on November 21, 2012 - 15 years after the abolition of any restrictions on leaving the USSR / Russia ...
                    - 1951 for Korea, 1962 for the Druzhba oil pipeline, 1980 for Afghanistan, 1981 for Poland, 1982 for the Boeing 747 of Korean Air Lines, etc., etc. ..

                    More details (from 1917 to the present) - see
                    https://tass.ru/info/2728444
                    8-)))
              2. venik
                venik 17 December 2020 10: 14
                +5
                Quote: military_cat
                Since sectoral sanctions were imposed for "aggression in the south-east of Ukraine", the way to remove them and completely remove obstacles to the construction of SP-2 formally exists

                =========
                It was just a FORMAL reason! If it hadn't been, there would have been another! What about cancellations "sanctions" - do not forget WHEN the Jackson-Vanik amendment was canceled !!!
                Therefore - "do not la-la!"
                1. military_cat
                  military_cat 17 December 2020 11: 38
                  -6
                  The Jackson-Vanik amendment has never been applied after the announcement of its freeze back in Soviet times and has never been renewed until the cancellation. I have to go, not checkers.
                  1. tikhonov66
                    tikhonov66 19 December 2020 13: 31
                    0
                    AGAIN...
                    1974 "Jackson Amendment" - Vanik to the US Trade Act, abolishing most favored nation treatment in trade, as well as the provision of loans and credit guarantees for countries that restrict the right of their citizens to emigrate. In addition, the amendment provided for the application of discriminatory tariffs on goods imported into the United States from countries with a "non-market" economy.
                    - "...
                    The Jackson-Vanik amendment was never applied after the announcement of its freeze back in Soviet times
                    ..."
                    - then you are hinting that all this time in the United States for the USSR was included "most favored nation in trade" - well, complete LIES!
        2. Deniska999
          Deniska999 17 December 2020 09: 11
          +1
          Our elite with locks and accounts abroad looks at you with a smile.
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 17 December 2020 09: 35
            +6
            Quote: Deniska999
            Our elite with locks and accounts abroad looks at you with a smile.

            They forgot about the children with their mistresses. And Kissinger was not mentioned. Or saved for later?
        3. Igoresha
          Igoresha 17 December 2020 09: 50
          -6
          Not done.
          Uh-huh, the IMF blamed the retirement age, they raised it in a big way
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 17 December 2020 10: 07
            +2
            Quote: Igoresha
            Uh-huh, the IMF blamed the retirement age, they raised it in a big way

            "Uh-huh, the IMF chided, the retirement age was raised, already at a run."
            There are four (!) Mistakes in one sentence, not counting the absence of a capital letter at the beginning. Is this a common situation for you?

            But I agree. The relationship can be seen.
            And on the basis of this, you make a conclusion about subordination? Only in this case, or in general? Or is this just a rare example of position coincidence?
            1. Igoresha
              Igoresha 17 December 2020 13: 04
              -3
              And on the basis of this, you draw a conclusion about subordination?
              easy and simple, the Putin blogger Zergulio https://zergulio.livejournal.com screened this recommendation and in less than a week Putin rushed to execute. "coincidence? I don't think so (?)". Do not pay attention to mistakes, because the main thing is the breaking of the covers and a clever thought in the post.
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 17 December 2020 09: 12
        +6
        ... for some reason, the United States is not considering the option of a possible "unification of the Russian-Chinese threat."

        There will be no cooperation, at least in the near future. China, which has become powerful, does not regard Moscow as an equal partner. Moscow is not ready for vassal relations. And there are no other options.
        1. Bourgeois 1963
          Bourgeois 1963 17 December 2020 10: 30
          -4
          Moreover, hiding behind sugary smiles, the Chinese regard the existence of Russia as a great injustice. For they are a hardworking people of creators, making blooming gardens out of the desert, but living in very cramped circumstances, and there are northern barbarians who are unable to dispose of the wealth that fell into their hands, making a desert out of blooming gardens. According to the Kofucian logic, which they adhere to, this state of affairs violates the harmony of the universe, and therefore if Russia falls into the gently suffocating paws of a cougar, then this can lead to a challenge that it has not faced since 1237.
      3. Ros 56
        Ros 56 17 December 2020 09: 42
        0
        At least about how not to get the horn inadvertently.
      4. Civil
        Civil 17 December 2020 10: 10
        -2
        Quote: apro
        Well, it is clear what to negotiate with the PRC, and what to negotiate with the Russian Federation?

        They never come to an agreement, they kick strictly to the extent of economic forces.
      5. BASHAR ASAD
        BASHAR ASAD 17 December 2020 21: 35
        0
        And what to negotiate with the states? Vanguard in their head and zircon in their ass, that's all the talk.
    2. aszzz888
      aszzz888 17 December 2020 08: 44
      +5
      Lech from Android. (Lech from Android)
      Today, 08: 39
      NEW
      +1
      As I understand it, the United States does not intend to peacefully negotiate with either Russia or China, the stake is only on force, lies and sanctions.
      Merikatos still rules. Until. But the day is not far off when the horns will be broken off by them (to the very hooves!) bully
      1. apro
        apro 17 December 2020 08: 50
        -3
        Quote: aszzz888
        But that day is not far away

        And it’s possible more concretely, and then here at once a month we bury the taller, then sga ... and so the last 20 years ...
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 17 December 2020 09: 05
          -3
          Quote: apro
          And more specific you can

          Can. On December 11 of this year, their court rejected the state's demand for a recalculation of votes, which led to the desire of Texas to create a confederation ... This is the same as we had when Yeltsin said that the regions of the sovereignty braga would be able to swallow as much. We stock up on popcorn, remember the 90s and look at the USA.

          The collapse of the United States began on December 11.12.2020, XNUMX. Remember this date.
          They have no time for us with China.
          1. apro
            apro 17 December 2020 09: 09
            -2
            Quote: Boris55
            The collapse of the United States began on December 11.12.2020, XNUMX. Remember this date.

            I don’t understand your idea ... there was a change of course. Yes, but the goals do not change. The ways of achieving the goal change.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 17 December 2020 09: 13
              +1
              Quote: apro
              I don’t understand your idea ...

              When your house collapses, the last thing you care about is what's going on with your neighbor.
              When the USSR was falling apart, our rulers had no time for foreign policy. We have gone from everywhere. The same is happening now in the United States. As the hunchback said: "The process has begun."
              1. apro
                apro 17 December 2020 09: 22
                -3
                Quote: Boris55
                Quote: apro
                I don’t understand your idea ...

                When your house collapses, the last thing you care about is what's going on with your neighbor.
                When the USSR was falling apart, our rulers had no time for foreign policy. We have gone from everywhere. The same is happening now in the United States. As the hunchback said: "The process has begun."

                Did the sga go from there? And why are they crumbling?
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 17 December 2020 09: 31
                  0
                  Quote: apro
                  Did the sga go from there? And why are they crumbling?

                  Do not hurry. Enjoy the moment.

                  The bloodiness of the events under Baydon will be significant. Trump would have lowered the United States smoothly ...

                  All according to plan. The World Control Center is transferred from the United States to China.
                  From England to Iran, but he is not yet ready - he has not coped with the task of ousting ISIS to Europe, to reformat it. From the Vatican to Armenia, but she's not ready the same - Azerbaijan and Turkey could not clean up the territory for the right Armenians ... Russia does not agree with this and is fighting for its place under the sun, putting sticks in their wheels, which is in Syria, what in Nagorno-Karabakh.
                  1. apro
                    apro 17 December 2020 09: 38
                    -4
                    Quote: Boris55
                    Do not hurry. Enjoy the moment.

                    The bloodiness of the events under Baydon will be significant.

                    The key ... will be.
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 17 December 2020 09: 42
                      +1
                      Quote: apro
                      The key ... will be.

                      While they warm up ...



                      Famine in the United States. 2020: https://youtu.be/Vhmf4mFi58w
              2. HAM
                HAM 17 December 2020 09: 52
                +3
                "..When your house collapses, the last thing you care about is what is going on with your neighbor .. "
                Oh, you are wrong - take Ukraine, they don’t care what is going on at home, the main thing for them is Russia "falling apart" .... all our even minor failures are presented as a peremog ...
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 17 December 2020 10: 08
                  +1
                  Quote: HAM
                  Oh, you are wrong - take Ukraine

                  Ukraine is not a subject of government, it is an object of government, and everything that happens to it is not its desire, it is the desire of its owner.
          2. ender
            ender 17 December 2020 09: 21
            +2
            Remember this date

            and this one - https://www.pravda.ru/world/1323406-calexit/
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 17 December 2020 08: 42
    0
    Foreign press: Military cooperation between China and Russia could lead to a challenge that the United States has not faced since the end of the Cold War
    And here "Foreign Press" is not far from the truth! This will be the verdict for the rest of their lives for the Merikatos. wassat
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 17 December 2020 08: 55
      +1
      In this case, "near" and "near" are written together.
      With all due respect.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 17 December 2020 10: 49
        0

        Sidor Amenpodestovich (Flavius ​​Vespasianovich)
        Today, 08: 55

        +1
        In this case, "near" and "near" are written together.
        With all due respect.
        Do you have anything to say on the topic? or just doing spelling? Then here you have to work in VO - not an open edge! laughing With all due respect.
  3. Victor_B
    Victor_B 17 December 2020 08: 42
    +6
    The states are simply pushing China and us into a military alliance!
    Today mattress is objectively the strongest and most influential country in the world.
    And this power OFFICIALLY declares China and Russia as its ENEMIES!
    Officially! All the lines!
    PERSONS openly hostile policy.
    That is, it does not threaten, but actually WORKS!
    And what, China and Russia should sit and flow in the face of the ENEMY?
    I believe that a MILITARY alliance between China and Russia is possible.
    1. nnm
      nnm 17 December 2020 08: 46
      +2
      Sooner or later, the United States will move on to trying to separate China and Russia. At the same time, China is very dependent on the United States and how it will react to such US actions is a huge question.
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 17 December 2020 08: 48
        +1
        Quote: nnm
        Sooner or later, the United States will move on to trying to separate China and Russia.

        Who would doubt that?
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 17 December 2020 09: 27
        0
        Quote: nnm
        Sooner or later, the US will start trying separation of China and Russia .

        Excuse me, when was the union and what does it consist of?

        Under the pressure of Western sanctions, Russia is entirely dependent on China. Literally in everything. What Moscow now cannot take from the West has to be taken from China. China is Russia's main trading partner in terms of volume.

        But for China, the opposite is true. China does not depend on Moscow in anything. And as a trading partner, Moscow is quite small, it will disappear - China will not even notice.
        1. nnm
          nnm 17 December 2020 09: 52
          +3
          I would not say so unambiguously. Apart from resources, China needs Russia logistically - a new Silk Road, the Northern Sea Route. For example, most of the flights on the NSR this year are to China or from China. And this is minus 1/3 of the transportation time, which means huge savings. Yes, it is not worth comparing the turnover with the USA, but it is hardly possible to speak about "not notice" either.
    2. tarabar
      tarabar 17 December 2020 09: 07
      +3
      I believe that a MILITARY alliance between China and Russia is possible.

      Union is possible, I have no doubt that if we have to, we will press back to back, but something tells me that the "smart monkey" at the slightest opportunity will give the "brave tiger" one-on-one to sort out the relationship with the "Stars and Stripes Tiger". We need to keep this in mind and not drag chestnuts out of the fire in the interests of others.
    3. NDR-791
      NDR-791 17 December 2020 09: 16
      -1
      I believe that a MILITARY alliance between China and Russia is possible.
      I absolutely agree with the military aspect. The main thing is not to slide into technological and financial dependence as with the Americans.
  4. Kuz
    Kuz 17 December 2020 08: 43
    +22
    In my opinion, cooperation between the Russian Federation and China, if it takes place, can hardly threaten the United States. We are not part of a military bloc, and if there are common interests, then they are temporary.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 17 December 2020 09: 01
      +5
      Everything is much more serious here. We don't need China to lose at all. It is also very important for China that we do not lose. Because then everyone will pounce on the second with the whole pack. Therefore, there will be cooperation and various unions. Otherwise you will not survive. This is understood both in us and in China. China has a lot of enemies in the east, in our west. Such is the environment.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 17 December 2020 09: 48
      0
      Quote: Kuz
      and if there are common interests, then they are temporary.

      good These are mercantile interests, when the country's resources belonging to the entire people of Russia and intended to provide for the life of the Russian people with an incomprehensible ease are changed to the primitive quality of Chinese "consumer goods".
      Sorry, but it is not prudent to interact with people who are squeezing our land "dry" and dreaming of Chinese Siberia and the Far East.
      1. Petr Vladimirovich
        Petr Vladimirovich 17 December 2020 19: 28
        0
        "dream of Chinese Siberia and the Far East"
        The usual square-emigrant lies ...
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 17 December 2020 08: 44
    +3
    The publication notes that military cooperation between China and the Russian Federation can lead to the emergence of a challenge that the United States and NATO have not faced since the end of the Cold War.

    Here is a simple subject, it is an empty POT !!!
    What is the problem, scrubbing to the side, walking around in a curve or something else ...
    World domination do not want to lose ??? But it WILL HAVE!
    1. cniza
      cniza 17 December 2020 08: 57
      +1
      Nobody will ask them. Greetings! hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 17 December 2020 09: 09
        +1
        Welcome soldier
        Ha, they have arrogated to themselves the right to decide for others ... to many, to return this right to themselves, will have to "fight"!
        1. cniza
          cniza 17 December 2020 09: 45
          +2
          It is possible that in battle, or maybe there is no one to fight with, but I would not like such a scenario.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 17 December 2020 09: 48
            +2
            The last fight he is ... so, now it is completely unnecessary.
            1. cniza
              cniza 17 December 2020 11: 23
              +3
              Let's hope that the mind will be stronger than everyone else and it will win ...
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 17 December 2020 09: 55
        +3
        Quote: cniza
        Nobody will ask them. Greetings!

        Who are they? USA? And that China and Russia signed an agreement on military cooperation and placed Russian "orders" on the stocks at Chinese shipyards? Or is it only from our side that military products, technologies and military goods are sold to China? What Chinese have entered our troops? The technique of "applying pixel coloring"?
        Some kind of incomprehensible one-sided union. Some kind of incomprehensible interest.
        1. cniza
          cniza 17 December 2020 11: 28
          +2
          Unfortunately, China will cope on its own ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 17 December 2020 12: 57
            0
            Not a necessary position, unstable, do we need it or they do not need it ???
            Normal business relationship, several partnerships ...
            It is much more reliable if you are your own most important, reliable partner and friend!
            1. cniza
              cniza 17 December 2020 13: 10
              +2
              And only when interests coincide, and then rely only on yourself ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 17 December 2020 13: 22
                +1
                When interests coincide, it is even better when you are not inferior in the most important things to your partners / fellow travelers ... then the joint path can be quite fruitful.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 17 December 2020 13: 32
                  +2
                  Of course it's hard with China, but you can, if you firmly defend your interests ..
  6. cniza
    cniza 17 December 2020 08: 56
    +2
    The publication notes that military cooperation between China and the Russian Federation can lead to the emergence of a challenge that the United States and NATO have not faced since the end of the Cold War.


    The United States has to first solve its internal problems, it will not have time for that now.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 17 December 2020 09: 14
      +2
      The striped people have created a huge structure of control and influence on the surrounding countries ... large, inert in fact, will perform the planned actions no matter what! When it settles at the top, there will be some course adjustments, BUT, this will not be very strong, because the principled position, to live at the expense of others, will not change in any way.
      1. cniza
        cniza 17 December 2020 09: 46
        +3
        This is so until the financial flow dries up, and it will work by inertia ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 17 December 2020 09: 50
          +4
          The minke whales cannot stop printing ... while a lot is bought and sold for candy wrappers, the need to streamline the system is not foreseen.
          1. cniza
            cniza 17 December 2020 11: 26
            +4
            And the printers, they are not dependent on the state ...
            1. Petr Vladimirovich
              Petr Vladimirovich 17 December 2020 19: 29
              0
              Many believe ...
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 17 December 2020 10: 03
      +1
      Quote: cniza
      The United States has to first solve its internal problems, it will not have time for that now.

      This is how it was when the United States protested against the Vietnam War:

      What are the Americans themselves protesting against today? Or is it we are told about the existence of such protests?
      Quote: rocket757
      The striped people have created a huge structure of control and influence on the surrounding countries ... large, inert in fact, will perform the planned actions no matter what!

      The entire structure of US control is enclosed in the payment system and ... the "desire" of countries to keep their gold reserves in Fort Knox and trade oil for dollars. In addition, countries that can be counted on the fingers of one three-fingered hand can oppose the US army with effective power. lol
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 17 December 2020 13: 02
        +4
        A donkey with a bag of gold is an effective tool of influence, control, destruction ... for all their wishes. They know how to use it ... unfortunately, and even greedy, corrupt and others, they also know how to find, recruit, create.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 17 December 2020 14: 34
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          A donkey with a bag of gold is an effective tool of influence, control, destruction ... for all their wishes. They know how to use it ... unfortunately, and even greedy, corrupt and others, they also know how to find, recruit, create.

          hi good laziness, Victor! Unfortunately, this is how it is. And in our country, these found, created, recruited are led for almost 30 years. And this class reproduces itself, by budding, or something, and then we hear ----- if RUSSIA is so rich, then why are people so poor.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 17 December 2020 15: 02
            +1
            Hi Dmitry soldier
            Quote: Reptiloid
            And already in our country these found, created, recruited practically 30 years lead.

            This is NOT IMPORTANT, IMPORTANT what are we going to do next?
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 17 December 2020 15: 41
              +2
              This is yes! What to do next to change what has already been done to the detriment of the country.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 17 December 2020 17: 37
                +1
                I don’t offer anything anymore .... and so I didn’t offer it to Sunny Magadan.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 17 December 2020 17: 52
                  +2
                  The Bolsheviks, building a new type of state, uprooted many weeds. Only anyway "something went wrong"
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 17 December 2020 18: 23
                    +1
                    The weed WILL NOT REMOVE! It can be strangled for a while, but it sprouts again and again. Here is to cultivate the necessary crops, as it should, they will not allow the litter to roam.
                    Our ancestors, leading, directing, made a global mistake, and in the end it destroyed everything.
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 17 December 2020 18: 59
                      +2
                      Quote: rocket757
                      The weed WILL NOT REMOVE! It can be strangled for a while, but it sprouts again and again. Here is to cultivate the necessary crops, as it should, they will not allow the litter to roam ........
                      so that the Gardener is not distracted and creates new ones in place of the torn ones.
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 17 December 2020 19: 34
                        +1
                        Our "gardener" was carried away by self-admiration and did not listen to anyone's good advice ...
                      2. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 17 December 2020 19: 43
                        +2
                        In my understanding, "weeds" are both ideological developments, concepts, attitudes, ideals, moral values, habits.
                        But, and some negative negative people.
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 17 December 2020 20: 08
                        +1
                        You know Dmitry, there is such a topic, who is not with us ... the names are different, the essence is the same. They are different! From just want to live differently, to those who hate everything inside and out!
                        It was not worth EVERYONE who did not jump with them, did not clap, did not approve and so on, immediately ranked among the enemies, all together! Schaub to deal with all this, you had to be ... a high class breeder and skill !!! and not just a caretaker behind a garden-vegetable garden, which ours became, from a certain moment. And then the natural process of degeneration began and weeding was already useless.
  • Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 17 December 2020 08: 58
    -1
    “In the overwhelming majority of cases, American officials of various ranks, including representatives of the current or future administration, say that either Russia or China is the greatest threat. Either ... or ..."- Russia will back down in front of Washington in connection with global warming. belay Fiona Hill, a former Trump adviser on Russia, predicted this: “I think over time Russia will have to change its approach, but not because of our pressure, but because of the enormous burden of climate change.”- Biden is in the "seventh heaven" with happiness.
  • askort154
    askort154 17 December 2020 09: 01
    +2
    The Anglo-Saxons will most likely resort to the old practice - they will drive a "wedge" between China and Russia, as they did in the 60s. Although it was much more difficult to do it then than it is now. Then the USSR and China were in the same harness - building communism. The slogan was Moscow - Beijing, friendship for centuries. Now Beijing is economically more tied to the Anglo-Saxons, and this is the weak link.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 17 December 2020 14: 50
      +1
      Quote: askort154
      The Anglo-Saxons will most likely resort to the old practice - they will drive a "wedge" between China and Russia, as they did in the 60s. Although it was much more difficult to do it then than it is now. ......

      hi In my opinion, this was difficult to do while Stalin was alive. He had a song with him:
      Russian with Chinese --- brothers forever!
      The unity of peoples and races is growing stronger.
      ...............................................
      Stalin and Mao are listening to us !!!
      > 60 years have passed since then. During this time, experience has been gained and successes and failures. New facts have appeared, new theories have been drawn up. The socialist camp no longer exists. Limitrophs. I think the black cat will no longer run between Russia and China.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 17 December 2020 09: 21
    +2
    At the same time, it is indicated that China has become a "real champion" in copying military equipment.

    Who will then cooperate with the Chinese?
  • Kronos
    Kronos 17 December 2020 09: 31
    +2
    The publication EurasianTimes says that the United States for some reason is not considering the option of a possible "unification of the Russian-Chinese threat."
    And what is the point of uniting with Russia for China, what they will reflect together and what common values ​​to defend. Everything is exactly the opposite, the weaker Russia, the more chances China has to get "primordial Chinese" lands on the territory of the Russian Federation
    1. Petr Vladimirovich
      Petr Vladimirovich 17 December 2020 19: 34
      0
      We hear many times, from non-brothers ...
  • lopuhan2006
    lopuhan2006 17 December 2020 09: 36
    -1
    How to suck an article out of your finger? But like this!!! Bravo author-captain obvious!
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 17 December 2020 10: 04
    +3
    Cooperation with the Chinese? what Well, maybe, maybe ... For example, from the Chinese cheap microchips of any level of complexity ... From the RF - creative "madness" ... of any level of complexity ... yes Although ... the Chinese can also be entertainers! Well, here's an "elementary" example ...: the development of an adjustable 57-mm artillery projectile ... RF: laser beam guidance (telecontrol) ...; China: 2 GOS. .. (thermal + semi-active laser) ... homing! And by and large ... about the "Russian-Chinese" cooperation it is necessary to "measure" 33 times and ... take a time-out! Then measure it 7 more times and decide: yes or no ...
  • ender
    ender 17 December 2020 10: 38
    -3
    history lessons

  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 17 December 2020 11: 00
    +2
    Here you are not "Echo Matza", where half of any books, except for the sanitary one, have never been held in their hands ... laughing I remember after the first launch of the calibers, the entire Western and pro-Western world was cracking: half went astray, half did not reach. laughing Yes, as soon as you open the news, you cry and repent.

    And by the New Year - in general, how it broke .. You do not have time to keep track of the news - what, where and where launched and put into operation ..

    Bastards! Slow down, plin - I don't have time to smear and write down my forehead with brilliant green, why else should I praise my sins !!!! laughing
  • Wolf
    Wolf 17 December 2020 15: 07
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    So already today the USA has NO CHANCE HERE IF THERE IS A WAR WITH CHINA !!!
    Only in the case of the use of nuclear weapons! But the nuclear advantage of the United States will quickly disappear, and then you already have a fairy tale about the mighty United States, and it will no longer be possible to sell to grandmothers on the market.
    Already today, China has an industrial capacity to produce weapons 2 times more than the United States starts with ships and submarines.
    IF CHINA AND RUSIA COME IN PLACE THEN THERE IS NO NUCLEAR COMPONENT ON THE COUNTRY OF THE USA AND NATO !!!
    Enough to deceive the people in the world, the historical role of the West on the brow with the United States has been exhausted. They are already historical time has passed!
    China each year adds tonnage to its fleet of the French navy. So every year 1 French fleet China adds to its own.
  • Desperado
    Desperado 18 December 2020 15: 41
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    Quote: Boris55
    state recount request


    What kind of nonsense are you talking about? Regardless of whether there will be a recount or not, there will be Trump or Biden, nothing will change globally in the internal kitchen of the United States. Only Congress decides everything.
  • Desperado
    Desperado 18 December 2020 15: 49
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    Quote: NDR-791
    I believe that a MILITARY alliance between China and Russia is possible.
    I absolutely agree with the military aspect. The main thing is not to slide into technological and financial dependence as with the Americans.


    It looks like someone has forgotten 1969 and Damansky Island?