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The Ministry of Defense intends to speed up work on the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov"

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The Ministry of Defense intends to speed up work on the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov"

The Russian Defense Ministry intends to speed up work on the only Russian aircraft-carrying cruiser, the Admiral Kuznetsov, for a faster entry into the test phase. This is reported by TASS with reference to a source familiar with the situations.


According to an interlocutor of the news agency, in the General Staff of the Naval fleet (Navy) are discussing proposals that can accelerate the exit of "Admiral Kuznetsov" to the test stage after the repair and modernization. Whether any proposals were accepted is not reported. The Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center (CS) does not comment on this information in any way.

On December 11, at a meeting in the Main Command of the Navy, issues of training deck pilots were discussed. aviation... Proposals were considered to accelerate the exit from the repair of the aircraft carrier

- said the source.

In early December, TASS, also citing a source in the shipbuilding industry, reported that the start of tests of the Admiral Kuznetsov TAVKR is scheduled for 2022, presumably "at the beginning of summer." To date, repair work on the cruiser is "in the middle of the planned term." The issue of the ship's re-docking, which should take place in 2021, is still unclear. There is only one hope for a new dry dock under construction at the 35th shipyard in Murmansk, since there is no floating dock, and they are not going to raise the sunken PD-50 yet.

Recall that the repair and modernization of the Admiral Kuznetsov Tavkr began in 2017. It was originally planned that the cruiser will be delivered to the customer in 2020, but a series of accidents on the ship led to the fact that the timing of the return of the TAVKR began to shift to the right. Currently, Admiral Kuznetsov is located at the 35th shipyard in Murmansk (Zvyozdochka branch).
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  1. Temples
    Temples 14 December 2020 11: 49
    -6
    All deadlines have been missed. It's time to speed up laughing

    What to accelerate then?

    Just complete the upgrade.

    Announce a deadline and do it.

    Stop balaboling
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 14 December 2020 11: 55
      +7
      Until the dry dock is built, there is absolutely no place to accelerate modernization.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 14 December 2020 17: 46
        +3
        Then another question arises - why did they rush to the Defense Ministry?
        Something happened? Previously, no one seemed to care. what
        And then rocket launches in a volley and Kuzya kicked. It's not fun.
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 14 December 2020 12: 00
      0
      Quote: Temples
      What to accelerate then?

      Perhaps the freed up capacities and resources are needed for other ships?
    3. Civil
      Civil 14 December 2020 12: 40
      +6
      Ministry of Defense intends to speed up work on the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov"

      And that mass executions were allowed? Did I miss something?
      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 14 December 2020 14: 53
        +2
        Quote: Civil
        Ministry of Defense intends to speed up work on the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov"

        And that mass executions were allowed? Did I miss something?

        Shoot everyone!
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 14 December 2020 16: 10
          +2
          Quote: 30 vis
          Shoot everyone!

          If ALL, then who will build?
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 14 December 2020 21: 53
            +3
            Quote: Captain45
            Quote: 30 vis
            Shoot everyone!

            If ALL, then who will build?

            wink Like who ! Those who shot. hi Only they don’t know how to do it.
        2. ROSS_51
          ROSS_51 15 December 2020 00: 45
          0
          Quote: 30 vis
          Shoot everyone!

          It won't work ... Our system works in such a way that those who need to be shot will be shot.
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 15 December 2020 09: 59
            0
            Quote: ROSS_51
            Quote: 30 vis
            Shoot everyone!

            It won't work ... Our system works in such a way that those who need to be shot will be shot.

            In your opinion, Stalin and Beria should have been shot !?
          2. Victor Proshchenko
            Victor Proshchenko 18 December 2020 14: 21
            0
            We have a death penalty maratorium.
      2. faiver
        faiver 14 December 2020 16: 03
        +1
        And that mass executions were allowed?
        - and did someone forbid them?
    4. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino 14 December 2020 14: 28
      -3
      Quote: Temples
      All deadlines have been missed.

      Quote: Temples
      Announce the deadline

      Failure in the matrix?

      Stop balabol (c) Balabol
    5. venik
      venik 14 December 2020 15: 58
      -1
      Quote: Temples
      What to accelerate then?

      ========
      Maybe the "thinking" of some "would-be commentators" will not hurt to "speed up"?
      Quote: Temples
      All deadlines have been missed. It's time to speed up the laughing
      1. mole
        mole 14 December 2020 17: 00
        +4
        It amazed me how during the five-year plans the plan was overfulfilled. Specially trained people planned long and hard, but here you are, they take and overfulfill. Either those who planned are the bunglers, or the performers. It is possible to change something in technology, but the revolution is unlikely to be accomplished. Chasing deadlines in most cases leads to quality degradation. Although there are rare exceptions.
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 14 December 2020 21: 56
          +3
          Quote: Mole
          Specially trained people planned long and hard, but here you are, they take and overfulfill. Either those who planned are the bunglers, or the performers.

          Technological requirements were usually not followed. type - And so it will do! fellow But the plan was exceeded.
        2. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 14 December 2020 22: 58
          +2
          Quote: Mole
          It amazed me how during the five-year plans the plan was overfulfilled. Specially trained people have planned long and hard, but here you are, they take and overfulfill. Either those who planned are the bunglers, or the performers.
          five-year plan in 3 years
          Let's fulfill the coal five-year plan in 3 years.
          five-year plan in 4 years
          Five-year plan at 4 years old.
          five-year plan in 4 years we will implement
          Five-year plan in 4 years Let's do it!
          According to the posters - execution "five-year plans" for 4 and even 3 years it was PLANNED - the posters were ordered in advance and the plot of the posters was approved ... yes
  2. svp67
    svp67 14 December 2020 11: 52
    +1
    Ministry of Defense intends to speed up work on the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov"
    I wonder HOW? Will put a soldier with a machine gun over each worker? Or start to PENALIFY, with the ruble trying to keep deadlines
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 December 2020 11: 58
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      will he start to PENALIFY, with the ruble trying to keep the deadlines

      Has long been
      1. svp67
        svp67 14 December 2020 12: 00
        +2
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Has long been

        Something I didn’t notice in aspect with "Kuznetsov"
        1. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan 14 December 2020 12: 04
          -1
          Quote: svp67

          Something I didn’t notice in aspect with "Kuznetsov"

          I noticed, in the last couple of years, that they tried to drown the cruiser slightly and at least burn it, but so far it is not given alive. Apparently, it is necessary to accelerate the repair time, the Americans over there quickly "repaired" their UDC.
          1. svp67
            svp67 14 December 2020 12: 06
            +9
            Quote: Bashkirkhan
            I noticed, in the last couple of years, that they tried to drown the cruiser slightly and at least burn it, but so far it is not given alive.

            And since "childhood" everyone is trying to "beat him", but he turned out to be very tenacious, well, he does not want to die just like that without giving "posterity"
        2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 December 2020 12: 13
          +5
          Quote: svp67
          Something I didn’t notice in aspect with "Kuznetsov"

          How do you want to notice this now? Penalties are set upon failure of the order, during the actual delivery. And MO is great at using it
          1. svp67
            svp67 14 December 2020 12: 21
            +2
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Penalties are set upon failure of the order, during the actual delivery.

            Not only, but also for delays and as you said
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            MO is very good at using it
          2. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 14 December 2020 12: 23
            0
            if a contract for work with contractors has already been signed, how are they going to accelerate it? there are already deadlines and you can't just change them ..
            1. svp67
              svp67 14 December 2020 12: 24
              +4
              Quote: Level 2 Advisor
              there are already deadlines and you can't just change them ..

              This is if you do not take into account that the performer has already shifted the dates "to the right" several times
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 14 December 2020 12: 26
                0
                well, this is not to speed up, but to achieve compliance with overdue deadlines is called ..
        3. Imobile
          Imobile 14 December 2020 12: 22
          +2
          I once worked in a large state-owned enterprise. And there were repair work in the office, and temporarily moved to a floor closer to the authorities. It was so funny to watch. No initiative, but if an order comes from above to do it, they are wasting time in every possible way, appointing those responsible for what they will not do... It is done this way, who is higher, speaks lower, appoint me a responsible person, lower, still looking for lower. As a result, the smallest hard worker is made responsible for the failure. And they themselves do nothing and wait. get it done on time, get stars and an award, no reprimand the employee or fire him.
      2. bayard
        bayard 14 December 2020 12: 33
        +2
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Has long been

        This does not affect the timing of Nakhimov's modernization. Well, and with "Kuznetsov" ... there will be a dock, there will be "Kuzya".
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 December 2020 12: 50
          +2
          Quote: bayard
          Something on the timing of the modernization of "Nakhimov" is not affected in any way

          This is yes. But this does not mean that penalties are not used.
    2. Maks-80
      Maks-80 14 December 2020 12: 12
      -1
      It's time to enter the detachment, at the factory
    3. Roman070280
      Roman070280 14 December 2020 12: 16
      +2
      Such things are much easier to do .. just one soldier is enough ..

      We remember the same Stalin .. The first main responsible person is summoned to the office .. an order is still issued, all powers are given, deadlines are set .. At the exit, he opens the doors and sees the same soldier off ..

      Shl .. I would get out of my skin, and put everyone on my ears, threatening with fines / arrests / courts for missed deadlines, if I had such responsibility ..
      Further along the chain ..
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 14 December 2020 12: 22
        +1
        Quote: Roman070280
        I would get out of my skin, and put everyone on their ears, threatening with fines / arrests / courts for missed deadlines, if I had such responsibility ..

        Comrade Stalin would assign you to the Gulag, now you are looking behind a bowl of soup with a pickaxe they would have hollowed a dry dock in Murmansk in granite for a cruiser, and not wrote on the forum. The Bolsheviks knew how to direct the energy of the masses in the right direction.
    4. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 14 December 2020 13: 03
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      I wonder HOW? Will put a soldier with a machine gun over each worker?

      Better to let them take a bucket of sand and remove the rags until another welded fire starts.
    5. Grits
      Grits 14 December 2020 13: 44
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      I wonder HOW?

      Simple. will finally begin to work as expected. And not create an appearance. If there is an opportunity to accelerate, then the terms of work were planned, how to put it mildly ... not shaky - not roll.
  3. FIR FIR
    FIR FIR 14 December 2020 11: 52
    +2
    Interestingly, is THREAD still alive? It was possible to train naval pilots there while the aircraft carrier was being repaired.

    [quote] Here is one hope for a new dry dock under construction at the 35th shipyard in Murmansk [/ quote] yes

    [quote] [There is only hope for a new dry dock under construction at the 35th shipyard in Murmansk, since there is no floating dock, and they are not going to raise the sunken PD-50 yet. / quote] request
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 14 December 2020 11: 58
      +7
      Quote: FIR FIR
      Interestingly, is THREAD still alive?

      There are already 2 of these threads in the Crimea and in Yeisk, you can train here and there. The current cruiser is in a coma.
      1. Raven 95
        Raven 95 14 December 2020 14: 07
        +6
        I am also interested in this question.
        The article originated from
        On December 11, at a meeting at the Main Command of the Navy, issues of training carrier-based aviation pilots were discussed.

        We have as many as TWO carrier-based aviation regiments. And from what deck are they taking off now, if Kuznetsov is under repair, THREAD is in the Crimea, and the shelves are in the North-third?
        Could at least two of these three parameters be combined in time and space?
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 December 2020 11: 59
      +4
      Quote: FIR FIR
      Interestingly, is THREAD still alive? It was possible to train naval pilots there while the aircraft carrier was being repaired.

      THREAD is alive, and in Yeisk its analogue is unfinished. But she does not solve all the issues
      1. FIR FIR
        FIR FIR 14 December 2020 12: 05
        +2
        THREAD is alive, and in Yeisk its analogue is unfinished
        Thank you.
        But she does not solve all the issues
        That yes
  4. Victor_B
    Victor_B 14 December 2020 11: 52
    -4
    Long-suffering Kuzya ...
    Misfortunes follow him from birth.
    First of all, underfunding. Chronic.
    Well, questions - what the hell is he even needed? Persecuted.
    1. Temples
      Temples 14 December 2020 11: 57
      0
      What does the underfunding have to do with it?
      The money is allocated.
      The dock is at the bottom.
      Kuzya is joking.
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 14 December 2020 12: 00
        -1
        Quote: Temples
        What does the underfunding have to do with it?

        (Slow and sad)
        All his not very long life and haunts.
        Do you really believe that the allocated money is really enough for normal modernization?
      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent 14 December 2020 12: 03
        -1
        Quote: Temples
        What does the underfunding have to do with it?
        The money is allocated.

        And "since novya", in the 90s, how were funds allocated for operation? Not greasy and not thick?
        So we got it ... Now we have to invest much more.
  5. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 14 December 2020 12: 03
    +2
    Ministry of Defense intends to speed up work
    The intention is good, but no one seems to know how to do it with noticeable results. And there is no dock yet. And the intentions are good.
    1. Max Lebedev
      Max Lebedev 14 December 2020 12: 17
      +16
      Apparently, once the "acceleration" has been announced, they are counting on a dry dock. By the way, he spent his whole life on the SRZ-35 and moored. In the 90s - between "Lenin" and "Gorshkov"
  6. Galleon
    Galleon 14 December 2020 12: 08
    +4
    How many "Kuznetsov" are already under repair - from the fall of 2019 And at the end of 2020. The Ministry of Defense decided to intend to expedite the repair of this ship. Believe me: without the slightest irony - it is commendable! Well done! We could have accelerated it before, but there were difficulties with intentions. Now we have overcome everything. Men! I agree with the Ministry of Defense on this issue - we need to accelerate. As soon as it was turned into a system: the ship got up for repair - and everyone began to accelerate with repair, reflexively.
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 14 December 2020 12: 19
      0
      The cruiser has not been under repair since 2019, but much earlier. In November 2018, PD-50 was drowned during a dock operation. The end and the edge are not yet visible. For example, the destroyer Burny has been repaired since 2005, but this year it was only dragged from the factory. They promise to cut them on needles in Kozmino next year. As soon as the ferrous metal and other nishtyaks in Abrek are removed from the destroyer.
      1. Galleon
        Galleon 14 December 2020 12: 30
        +2
        "Stormy" is my ship. I know about his fate.
        1. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan 14 December 2020 12: 35
          0
          In the Baltic Fleet, the destroyer "Nastoichivy" is also most likely not out of repair. Everything goes to this.
          1. Grits
            Grits 14 December 2020 13: 51
            +1
            Quote: Bashkirkhan
            In the Baltic Fleet, the destroyer "Nastoichivy" is also most likely not out of repair. Everything goes to this.

            Everything goes to the fact that very soon the destroyer will be destroyed as a class in the Russian fleet.
            1. Bashkirkhan
              Bashkirkhan 14 December 2020 19: 20
              +1
              Quote: Gritsa
              the destroyer will soon be destroyed as a class in the Russian navy.

              As a legacy of a totalitarian past.
              1. Fizik M
                Fizik M 14 December 2020 19: 36
                0
                Quote: Bashkirkhan
                As a legacy of a totalitarian past.

                Monsieur LIAR, YOU have been asked a question https://topwar.ru/178067-aprksn-vladimir-monomah-proizvel-zalpovyj-pusk-chetyreh-mbr-bulava.html#comment-id-11054239
                if you please answer for your lying bazaar
          2. Fizik M
            Fizik M 14 December 2020 19: 37
            -1
            Quote: Bashkirkhan
            In the Baltic

            Monsieur LIAR, YOU have been asked a question https://topwar.ru/178067-aprksn-vladimir-monomah-proizvel-zalpovyj-pusk-chetyreh-mbr-bulava.html#comment-id-11054239
            if you please answer for your lying bazaar
  7. Thrifty
    Thrifty 14 December 2020 12: 13
    +1
    As Comrade Stalin said, our cadres are everything! Right now there is just a shortage of personnel for the repair and construction of warships! We need specialists who, in fact, no one is preparing anywhere, hence the shift in deadlines, and the desire to turn the tide is not visible. ..
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 14 December 2020 13: 05
      -1
      We need specialists who, in fact, no one trains anywhere

      How does nobody cook it? And where did those places where they used to cook that?
      I know that in Nikolaev, for example, a shipbuilding university is still working and is still graduating. In Russia, there were no such universities and departments? Something not to believe.
      1. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 14 December 2020 22: 15
        0
        Quote: alexmach
        In Russia, there were no such universities and departments? Something not to believe

        I knew one assistant professor of a shipbuilder and turned out to be a scoundrel, engineers are not taught (in general, in all spheres of higher education, there is total profanity, the purchase, the sale of a third of diplomas, and the total uncontested sale of academic degrees, there is also corruption in the economic and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and there is no one to teach workers with the salary of a master of industrial training at 14 sput, but they write mountains of reports) in this university and learned how to build a store under the guise of an educational building ... but the city of St. Petersburg took it away from them for such impudence, such cadres teach there ... who will they teach there and what?
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 15 December 2020 10: 11
          0
          engineers are not taught

          Well, this is clearly not true.
          in general, in all spheres of higher education, total profanation buying selling a third of diplomas

          Ok .. so if the third bought the rest 2 \ 3 are honest normal, it turns out like this?
          such personnel there teach ... who will they teach there and what?

          Let's just say that he himself studied in a very similar situation and did learn. I know a person in the same years who graduated from the same shipbuilding university in Nikolaev, who received a very decent fundamental education. It is quite another matter that neither this person, nor I, nor any other graduate of specialized and non-specialized universities does not work in shipbuilding, because it is completely uncompetitive in terms of salaries and prospects, or is completely dead.
    2. Beregovic_1
      Beregovic_1 14 December 2020 23: 41
      +3
      There are also technical schools and universities. In Severodvins, for example, there is 1 university and at least 3 technical schools for training personnel for SEVMASH and Zvezdochka. And Sevmash also pays for training in technical schools. In other cities, where there are city-forming enterprises, I think the same thing.
  8. APASUS
    APASUS 14 December 2020 12: 30
    +1
    How can you speed it up? We in Finland were punished very seriously for this. There are standards and if you did it faster, then you applied a new technology or simply didn't do something.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 14 December 2020 12: 57
      -1
      Quote: APASUS
      We in Finland were punished very seriously for this. There are standards and if you did it faster, then you applied a new technology or simply did not do something.

      In Germany, the same parsley. One of our turners came and let’s work on the machine at a Stakhanov pace. The German master did not even check the dimensions, he immediately rejected everything. Haste is needed when catching fleas. Let's wait for some more emergency. Safety precautions are simply not followed. And Kuzya is unlucky in this regard.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 14 December 2020 13: 29
        +2
        Well, here is a banal mistake about 9 women cannot give birth in a month.

        That is, speech is focused on the production cycle.

        Kuza focuses on various areas. Roughly speaking, if you attract 30% more people (by abandoning other orders), determine the most important directions to each stage and those that can be completed already in the course of the next stages (well, roughly speaking, the hauling of highways, the installation of boilers and connection is a priority, but the combat posts and you can connect it later, in parallel with other works) well, etc. Then you can seriously accelerate the ship. And by the way, this is done quite often (unfortunately in other countries) if it is urgently needed.
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 14 December 2020 14: 22
          -1
          Quote: donavi49
          Kuza focuses on various areas. Roughly speaking, if you attract 30% more people (by abandoning other orders), determine the most important directions to each stage and those that can be completed already in the course of the next stages (well, roughly speaking, the hauling of highways, the installation of boilers and connection is a priority, but the combat posts and you can connect it later, in parallel with other works) well, etc. Then you can seriously accelerate the ship. And by the way, this is done quite often (unfortunately in other countries) if it is urgently needed.

          If you accelerate at such a pace, then other orders will end up in jo ...
  9. Ros 56
    Ros 56 14 December 2020 12: 43
    0
    Very correct intentions and in my opinion it is necessary to accelerate not only according to Kuznetsov.
  10. alexmach
    alexmach 14 December 2020 13: 01
    -1
    What did the managers say recently "the accident will not affect the repair time"?
  11. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 14 December 2020 13: 09
    +1
    "No time to swing, we still have a lot of work to do!"
  12. huntsman650
    huntsman650 14 December 2020 13: 16
    0
    As soon as Kuzya got on the roadstead of Severomosk, at low tide all the drying was in fuel oil!
  13. zwlad
    zwlad 14 December 2020 13: 33
    0
    We need to write out a magic pendel for someone.
  14. iouris
    iouris 14 December 2020 15: 00
    0
    What else is going to happen?
  15. Fizik M
    Fizik M 14 December 2020 19: 37
    -1
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    Comrade Stalin would assign you to the GULAG

    Monsieur LIAR, YOU have been asked a question https://topwar.ru/178067-aprksn-vladimir-monomah-proizvel-zalpovyj-pusk-chetyreh-mbr-bulava.html#comment-id-11054239
    if you please answer for your lying bazaar
  16. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 14 December 2020 22: 20
    -2
    I think the reason is the fundamental agreement of one world power with a huge industrial potential and population, to solve the problem of an unnecessary vessel for Russia .... and in the budget of the Russian Federation, affected by the failed economic policy of the liberals, there will be ten billion in retirement for the elderly. by the year 22, in a short spring, it is unrealistic to make a dock, and it is not necessary, the buyer himself will complete the repair, he has everything and the dock and money ... it is not for nothing that the Chinese are carefully studying its rusty deck, and the Indians have introduced another AB unit into their military doctrine
  17. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 14 December 2020 23: 27
    0
    "It never happened, and here it is again."
    / Victor Stepanych Chernomyrdin /
  18. Beregovic_1
    Beregovic_1 14 December 2020 23: 34
    +1
    It is always located on the 35th shipyard, the only berth for it. Or standing on barrels. The infrastructure would have been created first .... Naval commanders