Rafale or Su-35: Indonesia cannot decide on the choice of fighter

France is going to increase production of Rafale 4+ generation fighters. This is due to the intentions of the Indonesian Air Force to update its aircraft fleet with these particular combat vehicles.

The Indonesian government in recent months has not been able to decide which fighters it should buy for the needs of its air forces. So, in early spring 2020, the Indonesian press, with links to representatives of the defense department, began to publish materials that the official Jakarta was going to contract a batch of Russian Su-35s, but then decided to postpone.

At the same time, Bloomberg news agency, citing sources in the US White House administration, reported that Indonesia allegedly refused to purchase Russian Su-35 fighters.

There were claims that American pressure was the main reason for the decision not to rush things. We are talking about the CAATSA sanctions package, which Washington frightens all countries that cooperate with Russia in military-technical terms. Indonesia is no exception.

However, a few months later, Jakarta again announced that they were ready to discuss the possibility of concluding a deal for the supply of Su-35. But at the same time, statements were made that “part of the contract can be paid for with palm oil”. Then these statements caused a significant resonance in Russia.

Now new reports from Indonesia. After a statement by Washington officials that sanctions “can be expected by countries purchasing rusty Russian weapon"(This is a quote from the Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs Clark Cooper), in Jakarta they played back again. Now, press reports citing senior officials say Indonesia is "ready to buy French Rafale." In France, according to the Western press, they immediately responded, declaring their readiness to expand production.

At the same time, the following is interesting: the journalists asked the manufacturer Rafale: can a potential deal be paid for with palm oil? Representatives of the French company could not answer this question, expressing obvious bewilderment and thinking it was a joke. It turns out that the very possibility of payment by Indonesia for a possible order for fighters with palm oil by France is definitely not being considered. True, there is no talk of the contract itself as such.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

Like that monkey - can't decide whether she is smart or beautiful?)))

[Mountain shooter]

This is palm oil again. In terms of a resident of Russia, consumption is very small. However, this topic was promoted in the media endlessly. Straight "Newbie" is a side view.
A milligram is enough for a detailed outcome.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

This is palm oil again. In terms of a resident of Russia, consumption is very small. However, this topic was promoted in the media endlessly. Straight "Newbie" is a side view.
A milligram is enough for a detailed outcome.

But this is on hearing ... We exchange palm oil for fighters ... Sounds! A ready-made headline for the yellow press.
But seriously, the Indonesian Air Force has long-standing and quite successful business relations with the Dry Air Force. Of course, the Su-35 would be preferable and cost less, but the powerful political and economic pressure from the Anglo-Saxons makes its own adjustments. A country with a gigantic external debt cannot be independent.

[alexmach]

But seriously, the Indonesian Air Force has a long-standing and quite successful business relationship with the Dry Air Force.

And it seems it's time to forget about them and move on. This Indenezian contract will not exist, not even for oil.

[Doccor18]

This Indenezian contract will not exist, not even for oil.

So, I wonder why Rafali, and not the F16 / 15/18 family of the latest versions? Or France is milking this "cow" ...

[alexmach]

I suspect the matter is in the price of the issue.

[Doccor18]

And what about the price?
The French expose such prices that even the Americans never dreamed of ... Indians can confirm ...

[Boris Chernikov]

and if they still buy for currency, then they can automatically say goodbye to "barter transactions"

[Fedor Sokolov]

We must offer the Indonesians such conditions for the purchase of the Su-35, which they cannot refuse. In this regard, we need to learn from the Americans to promote their interests in the arms market.

[Runoway]

To do this, you need to be independent of the Swift system, the IMF and have your own hard currency that is in demand in the world, and not our candy wrapper

[Petro_tut]

Have pity on the liver of our population, well, we don't eat so much palm oil

[Pereira]

"Can expect countries buying rusty Russian weapons"

Sahakyan in 2008 also said that Russian tanks are rusty and there is nothing to fear.

[Roman1970_1]

What, were the tanks deciding something?

[Runoway]

Well, that's right, the French does not block US banking operations, so there is no need for a palm tree.
For understanding, I will explain, if tomorrow Nabiullina prohibits us from cash, due to the transfer of a virus or other pretext, everything leads to this, then we will really come to material exchange

[URAL72]

Have you ever seen bank cards? Indonesia has a lot to offer even without oil. But he wants to sell what is lying around. It's business, whether to agree or not, that's our business.

[Ros 56]

Eh, since such a booze has gone, neither yours nor ours, Indonesians take the MiG-35S.

[svoit]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

A milligram is enough for a detailed outcome.

The fact is that most likely the palm oil comes to us of poor quality, although it is purchased of normal quality, the money ends up in American banks. If it comes of good quality, then there should be no problems

[alekc75]

so take it all - and eat it with bread!

[Nikon O'Conor]

only recently learned that any vegetable oil is normally absorbed by the body, "like the same sunflower, linseed and olive" (c), and does not settle with a fatty coating on our vessels. Another thing is that a couple of years ago, Ren TV and others like them, on someone's order, declared war on palm oil. Can someone have a particularly large harvest of seeds, flax or olives?

[Nikon O'Conor]

AND YES! of course the quality, then on the same Ren-TV showed what kind of oil is supplied to Russia under the guise of high quality. It looks like fuel oil mixed with salidol. But that's another question.

[rotmistr60]

the main reason for the decision not to rush things was American pressure.

The Americans have professionally learned to put pressure on other countries in their own interests when considering contracts for the purchase of and not only weapons. And if you go against the Americans, you will not get off with "palm oil". Jakarta understands this very well and, apparently, will not buy Russian planes.

[APASUS]

Well, they won't buy the Su-35 and we need to finish it with palm oil from Indonesia. So that it would be clear what the refusal to work with the Russians, and not just excuse me, we chose the French