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How the Soviet Army was withdrawn from Europe: data on countries and groups of forces

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How the Soviet Army was withdrawn from Europe: data on countries and groups of forces

At the end of the USSR, about half a million of our troops were stationed in Eastern Europe, as well as several hundred thousand civilians who were also subordinate to the Ministry of Defense. They were in the GDR, Poland, Czechoslovakia and Hungary. How the Soviet Army was withdrawn from Europe. Let's present some data on countries and groups of forces.


The equipment of these contingents with military equipment was impressive. In Europe, there were about 9 thousand Soviet tanks, almost 6 thousand artillery pieces, 12 thousand armored vehicles, almost 2,5 thousand units of military aviation.

Why did we leave Europe


By the end of the 80s, processes were already in full swing in the USSR, which eventually led to the collapse of the great country. The "ferment of minds" also took place among the Eastern European allies of the Soviet Union under the Warsaw Pact.

Gradually, the existence of this military-political association began to lose its meaning - for political, as it seemed then, considerations. Like, all around are friends and brothers, as they said then from the high stands in the capital.

Naturally, both in Moscow and in the Eastern European capitals the expediency of Soviet military contingents began to be questioned. Moreover, the leadership of our country has taken a course towards normalizing relations with the West. This meant abandoning the Cold War and the arms race. Moreover, for some reason, Moscow decided to win the favor of the United States and Western European countries through unilateral concessions.


The idea of ​​the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Eastern Europe was in the air, and already almost former allies themselves began to ask the Kremlin leadership about it. The procedure for the withdrawal of troops was decided with each state separately, so the conditions were different. And the process itself began around 1989. "Approximately", since in a number of countries the reduction of troops began much earlier. In particular, the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany (GSVG), which was the largest of all Soviet contingents in Europe, began to be gradually reduced since the late 70s.

How the troops left


The withdrawal of troops from Europe began with the Southern Group (YUGV), which was located in Hungary. By 1989, when the final decision was made to leave this country, there were 70 thousand Soviet soldiers. According to Colonel-General Matvey Burlakov, who then commanded the South-Eastern Front, the soldiers were even happy to return to the Union, because they hadn't really seen Hungary, they were mostly sitting in a barracks position. The locals were feared, so they limited themselves to rare excursions to the capital.

It was not far from the border with Soviet Ukraine, so the withdrawal of troops was handled quickly and without any problems.

The Soviet military, whose number in this country numbered just over 90 thousand, began to leave Czechoslovakia at the beginning of 1990 and managed in a year and a half. They feared acts of aggression against the soldiers, but the Czechs and Slovaks said goodbye to them sincerely. Largely...

The withdrawal of the Northern Group of Forces (SGV), which was stationed in Poland and numbered 45 thousand people, was carried out at a less shock pace.
Our army began to leave this country in April 1991, and completed the withdrawal in the fall of 1993. The last soldiers and officers who left Poland were no longer Soviet servicemen, but Russian.

The most difficult thing was with the Western Group of Forces (WGV), which was stationed in East Germany, because it was larger in number than all three others combined. There were half a million people there, of which 300 thousand were military personnel, and the remaining 200 thousand were civilians. Plus military equipment, plus ammunition, buildings and structures - and all this in huge quantities.


The commander of the Western Group of Forces, General Boris Snetkov, having received the order to withdraw the contingent, refused to carry it out and was dismissed from his post.

I will not withdraw the group! Marshal Zhukov founded the Group of Soviet Occupation Forces in Germany, it was created by prominent military leaders, and I, the fifteenth commander in chief, will disperse ?!

- he said.

In his place, the former commander of the YUGV, Matvey Burlakov, was transferred.

The withdrawal of troops began in 1989 and ended in 1994. Its end was solemnly celebrated on August 31 in Berlin, near the famous monument to the Soviet soldier in Treptower Park, to which wreaths were laid jointly by Russian and German servicemen. The ceremony was attended by Russian President Boris Yeltsin and the leader of a united Germany Helmut Kohl.

The next day, Matvey Burlakov, the former commander of the West Group of Forces, which no longer existed, boarded a plane and flew to Russia. And its withdrawal from Germany is considered the largest transfer of troops to storieswhich happened in peacetime.

Large fly in the ointment


At first glance, such a successful operation to withdraw the military from Europe could be proud. But there is a weighty fly in the ointment, and not one, which prevents you from doing this.

To begin with, the communists and other pro-Soviet citizens of Eastern European countries considered Moscow's decision to withdraw its troops a betrayal, because they were actually abandoned. Many of them suffered at the hands of their political opponents, after which Russia's authority and confidence in it dropped significantly. After all, how can you trust a country that leaves its allies ...

On the other hand, the withdrawal of troops from Europe, especially from Germany, looked like a real flight. Often they abandoned equipment, weapons, the infrastructure of military camps, and much more. Such a "conclusion" looked especially humiliating against the background of the fact that American troops in the FRG continued to remain there, and remain to this day. For some reason, the then leadership of the country and the command did not have deliberate and voiced questions to American partners: Why don't you withdraw your contingent from Europe? ..

Another problem was accurately and succinctly described by the commander of the Western Group of Forces, Matvey Burlakov:

The country's government did not think about its own army.

Initially, it was agreed that the army would be withdrawn as soon as housing was created for it in the USSR. But the military often went out into an open field, into tents, without getting basic amenities. Many officers lost their families, as they simply had nowhere to live with their wives and children.

The German government promised to allocate 15 million marks for new housing for our troops withdrawn from Germany, but paid only eight. And the Russian authorities were too poor or greedy to resolve this issue. Surely knowing about all these problems, Russian President Boris Yeltsin assumed "increased obligations" to the West and promised to reduce the timeframe for the withdrawal of military personnel from Germany by four months. And for the property left in this country, estimated at $ 28 billion, our country received only 385 million. And so far this issue has not been raised at a high level.

The withdrawal of Soviet, and then Russian, troops from Europe is still being argued about. Some say that it was not necessary to keep them there, others - that it was not worth removing them from there, they say, this would prevent NATO expansion to the east. Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between.

And here is what Colonel-General Matvey Burlakov, whose opinion, no doubt, is authoritative in this matter, said about our troops in Europe:

It remains to be seen how the post-war world order would have developed had it not been for Soviet troops in Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Poland.
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https://ru.wikipedia.org/Андрей Михайлов, Deutsches Bundesarchiv, Andreas SteinhoffGovernment
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  1. prior
    prior 9 December 2020 13: 44
    +27
    I can't even find censorship words to express my attitude to this event and the bastards who made it ...
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 9 December 2020 14: 00
      +12
      There is such:
      "124 billion marks in order of" compensation "(for the unification of Germany. - Approx. KM.RU) - this amount was called under Chancellor Erhard," Falin explained. - At the beginning of 80-100 billion marks for the fact that we released the GDRs from the Warsaw Pact and it would receive a neutral status like Austria. I told Gorbachev: “We have every opportunity to achieve the status of a nuclear-free territory for Germany and to prevent the expansion of NATO to the east; according to polls, 74% of the population will support us. " He: "I'm afraid the train has already left." In fact, he told them: "Give us 4,5 billion marks to feed people." And that's all. I didn’t even write off the debts of the Soviet Union to both Germany, although our property alone in the GDR was worth a trillion! ”

      https://topwar.ru/126536-istoriya-odnogo-predatelstva-kak-gorbachev-germaniyu-obedinyal.html
      And nothing else is needed ... A personal witness to the arrival of officers from Germany to the village of Medved, where later the unit was simply disbanded, and the officers ...
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 9 December 2020 14: 01
      +11
      Quote: prior
      I can't even find censorship words to express my attitude to this event and the bastards who made it ...

      One of them, the state pays a pension of 600 tons .. appreciate .. what he did.
    3. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 9 December 2020 14: 07
      +9
      and almost former allies themselves began to ask the Kremlin leadership about it.
      What do you smoke? Apparently inserts well, since such .... you write. The withdrawal of our troops from the territory of the allies automatically meant the fall of the power of the local Central Committee, and not freedom from the USSR. Tell Honecker that. fool However, with whom and about whom ...
    4. Civil
      Civil 9 December 2020 14: 49
      +8

      The drunken Yeltsin decided everything.

      in Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Poland

      They would live like in Belarus now, like Lukashenka's in his bosom.

      They profiled all the achievements of the USSR. Now with the death of medicine and education, you can easily legitimize the new nobles, and formalize serfdom on the slaves. All the same, there is not enough will and money to escape.
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 9 December 2020 16: 46
        +7
        Quote: Civil
        They would live like in Belarus now, like Lukashenka's in his bosom.

        Lukashenko is well behind him Russia, and Russia does not even have a parody of an ally in the person of Lukashenko, so let's keep quiet about what and why in Belarus it is so "good".
        Quote: Civil
        They profiled all the achievements of the USSR.

        But now there are 30 varieties of sausage - which, according to GOST, even dogs are forbidden to feed, jeans, though Chinese, but MONTANA and LEVI S, everything is fine, though not everyone can afford it, it’s their own fault that they couldn’t fit into the market ...
        Quote: Civil
        Now with the demise of medicine and education, you can safely legitimize new nobles

        So it seems like we already have Prince Kirkorov, or is he a count? Alkin also kind of bought a tiutul, or did Galka Borisovna give him? Although that there, the nobility, they won out almost eternal youth, that Filya, that Maksimka, they are not afraid of old age - they had it, or turned it on a stump?laughing
        Quote: Civil
        formalize serfdom for slaves

        So for a long time, just not everyone understands this.
    5. Jeweler
      Jeweler 9 December 2020 15: 15
      +8
      Quote: prior
      I can't even find censorship words to express my attitude to this event and the bastards who made it ...

      As a result, we have NATO in the Baltics, a number of conflicts on the territory of the former USSR, the absence of international law, rampant terrorism, and so on ...
    6. Fitter65
      Fitter65 9 December 2020 16: 34
      +6
      Quote: prior
      I can't even find censorship words to express my attitude to this event and the bastards who made it ...

      You can't, but how can I not who served in the SGV for 5 years, went to replace him in the KDVO in November 1988 ...
    7. Director
      Director 9 December 2020 19: 58
      +9
      Quote: prior
      I can't even find censorship words to express my attitude to this event and the bastards who made it ...

      You are not the only one Vlad! Even the Germans (FRG) were shocked by such an escape .. They did not even dream of this and were preparing to create huge funds in order to provide housing and a place for the deployment of this Soviet armada on the territory of the USSR-Russia .. angry And huge compensation to pay! But the Jews had a different plan ..
      And they got off with the fact that the humpback was given the honorary title of "the main German of Germany" and then EBN was drunk with Bavarian beer and allowed to be supported by a German orchestra ..
      And the elite Soviet units were simply left in the steppe and reduced, the equipment was sold
      It was a terrible tragedy, they will still write about this and write about it slowly soldier
      PS There were so many suicides among the officers of the elite .. So betray the army.?
  2. svp67
    svp67 9 December 2020 13: 47
    +8
    How was it taken out? There is only one answer - FREE. The USSR could and simply OBLIGED to receive significantly greater preferences from this step, and people should have been treated more gently. And so the most combat-ready military units LEFT from the well-equipped garrisons in such conditions that it is better not to remember.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 9 December 2020 14: 11
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      Kav was taken out? There is only one answer - FREE.

      But let's not confuse those who made the decision on the withdrawal of troops at the political level and those who actually carried it out, because the withdrawal of troops itself was far from inept from the point of view of those who participated in this. I participated in this, and I can say that I am still amazed how they worked in the group of troops then, although of course there were mistakes and miscalculations, but those who carried out the withdrawal worked with dignity.
      For example, the author of the article writes:
      They often abandoned equipment, weapons, infrastructure of military camps, and much more.

      This is an obvious lie, because the equipment and weapons were not abandoned, but everything was withdrawn to the USSR, and after its collapse into different republics. Moreover, we even from the NNA of the GDR accepted some equipment, which, according to the contract, they were obliged to return to us. As for the infrastructure, the Germans really cheated us with this, but on a much larger scale than the author of the article indicated.
      In general, the topic is interesting, and I think who participated in the withdrawal of troops will express their opinion about this operation of the Soviet Army.
      1. svp67
        svp67 9 December 2020 14: 14
        +4
        Quote: ccsr
        worked with dignity.

        Especially the logisticians ... how much material was written off and ...
        Quote: ccsr
        everyone was taken to the USSR

        I myself was a participant in these events and I remember very well the echelons of tank hulls SOLD to the Germans for scrap.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 9 December 2020 18: 27
          +3
          Quote: svp67
          Especially the logisticians ... how much material was written off and ...

          It was not only the logisticians who wrote off, but also other services of the group, and it made sense, because it was simply not reasonable to drag into the USSR what had already come up for cancellation, at least in terms of transportation costs. Yes, there was such an instruction to the troops, urgently check the equipment and weapons for preparation for decommissioning and submit documents to the authorities.
          Quote: svp67
          I myself was a participant in these events and I remember very well the echelons of tank hulls SOLD to the Germans for scrap.

          As far as I remember, there were mainly armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, but the tanks were usually sent to the USSR, because cutting them up was too expensive, and the Germans made environmental claims. The Germans really sold part of the scrap metal, but they got even more for free - they deliberately slowed down all transactions for the purchase of scrap metal, knowing that we would not take it out anyway, because cutting was too expensive and the cost of transportation even through Mukran.
          1. Clone
            Clone 9 December 2020 19: 17
            0
            Quote: ccsr
            they deliberately slowed down all transactions for the purchase of scrap metal, knowing that we will not take it out anyway

            It was not the Germans who slowed down at first, but nameless persons from the "Arbat military district", inflating prices for scrap metal to the skies. Figuratively speaking, the conversation about the conclusion of the contract went something like this:
            - Germans ... Come on, are we going to buy for 120 marks per ton?
            - We, after consulting with Moscow ... No, we agree to 150 ... The Germans are leaving, the price is falling, the metal is lying, the troops are leaving.
            - Germans ... We agree to buy for 90 regardless of price fluctuations on the world market!
            - We, after consulting with Moscow ... No, you previously offered 120! The Germans are leaving. The troops are leaving, the Germans are setting up guards at our junkyards and demanding payment for this.
            Ultimately, they sold for 3-5 marks ... I have an assumption that most of all profited from this operation are those who determined the price of "hardware" from our side.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 9 December 2020 19: 42
              +3
              Quote: Clone
              - Germans ... Come on, are we going to buy for 120 marks per ton?

              This sorted by metal was sold at 110-120 marks, we did not have this, and first we had to recycle it, but there was no money for that.
              .
              Quote: Clone
              Germans ... We agree to buy for 90 regardless of price fluctuations in the world market!

              The Germans did not offer such prices - 40 marks is a red price, as far as I remember. But even here they did not come to meet us, I know that, and put forward unacceptable conditions for cutting.
              Quote: Clone
              We, after consulting with Moscow ... No, you previously offered 120! The Germans are leaving.

              These are more myths than what actually happened. There was a situation when one of the largest Western entrepreneur (not a German) offered the group's management to become a monopolist in buying up our scrap metal at a strictly fixed price, and then we really had to contact Moscow, because the Germans threatened us with a scandal. But our Gorbachev betrayed the country and the military this time too, and forbade us to conclude deals without the permission of the German authorities, and they naturally banned this contract. In general, scrap metal is a trifle, compared at least with those cable networks containing copper and aluminum, which were unmeasured in the GSVG.
              1. Clone
                Clone 9 December 2020 19: 49
                -1
                Quote: ccsr
                Figuratively speaking, the conversation about the conclusion of the contract went something like this:

                I specifically drew attention to "figuratively" and "approximately". I don't remember 40, but 90 ... I could be wrong.
        2. Normal ok
          Normal ok 9 December 2020 19: 47
          -4
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: ccsr
          worked with dignity.

          Especially the logisticians ... how much material was written off and ...
          Quote: ccsr
          everyone was taken to the USSR

          I myself was a participant in these events and I remember very well the echelons of tank hulls SOLD to the Germans for scrap.

          I personally know officers and even soldiers who, after their withdrawal from the Czech Republic and Germany, wore "Versace footcloths" (cars, household appliances, VCRs and banal German marks).
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 9 December 2020 19: 59
            +2
            Quote: Normal ok
            I personally know officers and even soldiers who, after their withdrawal from the Czech Republic and Germany, wore "Versace footcloths" (cars, household appliances, VCRs and banal German marks).

            No wonder, I myself know a case when an officer bought a used Mercedes for 5 or 7 thousand. marks, drove him to the Union to his small homeland, sold it there and bought a house with the proceeds. It was just that then this car was a novelty even for the capital, and was in great demand in certain circles. That was a troubled time - so many got out in this way, realizing that they did not shine at all for housing, especially after being fired.
          2. svp67
            svp67 9 December 2020 20: 24
            +1
            Quote: Normal ok
            I personally know officers and even soldiers who, after their withdrawal from the Czech Republic and Germany, wore "Versace footcloths" (cars, household appliances, VCRs and banal German marks).

            So they got TWO salaries, in stamps and rubles, which they could afford
      2. Clone
        Clone 9 December 2020 19: 24
        -1
        Quote: ccsr
        equipment and weapons were not abandoned

        According to unofficial rumors, only one shaggy-year mortar was not found in our army. repeat But a lot of clothing and food items, spare parts and spare parts for cars, engineering equipment were thrown away. Packaged. But rare safes were exported.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 9 December 2020 19: 50
          +2
          Quote: Clone
          According to unofficial rumors, only one shaggy-year mortar was not found in our army.

          It may be so, but to be honest, in the third brigade of the Special Forces, two submachine guns were stolen when they were handed over to the group warehouses of the RAV service, and this turned out sideways when it was transferred to the Volga-Urals District, when they refused to sign the act due to incomplete executed documents for theft.
          Of course, losses and thefts were revealed at that time, but it cannot be said that it was a mass phenomenon. It was not safes that were exported, but, for example, furniture from the times of the Wehrmacht, or grandfather clocks of the old masters - some made a fortune on this, but in trifles, judging by what was happening in the country at the time when factories were buying for vouchers.
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 9 December 2020 17: 40
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      How was it taken out? There is only one answer - FREE. The USSR could and simply OBLIGED to receive significantly greater preferences from this step, and people should have been treated more gently. And so the most combat-ready military units LEFT from the well-equipped garrisons in such conditions that it is better not to remember.

      Colleague, the USSR shouldn't have received any preferences, it just had to stay in Europe. But this was no longer the USSR.
  3. Tsoy
    Tsoy 9 December 2020 13: 48
    +2
    And most importantly, the entire infrastructure with fortifications, buildings, airfield strips remained for the new owners. Absolutely free.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 9 December 2020 14: 04
      +1
      Quote: Choi
      And most importantly, the entire infrastructure with fortifications, buildings, airfield strips remained for the new owners. Absolutely free.

      And, most importantly, for the withdrawn units it was possible to build military camps for the withdrawn units.
      Question: What does the hen think when running away from the rooster?
      Answer: Am I running too fast ...
      Didn't the HMS finish the withdrawal soon? Americans for 75 years are not going to leave Japan and are not particularly opposed to them.
    2. Shkodnik65
      Shkodnik65 9 December 2020 14: 48
      +3
      And most importantly, the entire infrastructure with fortifications, buildings, airfield strips remained for the new owners. Absolutely free.
      No, they then rolled out or rolled up almost all this infrastructure. Practically nothing of what we left there "Western partners" did not use. Here the question is different. In my opinion, in 1991, my replacement, Major Balakin, came from YUGV and, frankly, I was deeply outraged by his story that at the time of withdrawal, when the troops had already gone to the Union, in parallel, they continued to build the ZKP of the YUGV headquarters. Tons of concrete, cables and equipment were thrown into the ground. And the decision to withdraw it has already been made, but that there the decision has already begun a real withdrawal to the Union. Your division, how many millions were left there. And the parts were actually taken out in the field. Not all, of course, but very many. In the winter, in tents, with families.
      1. Igoresha
        Igoresha 9 December 2020 16: 05
        -2
        how many millions were left there.
        I was reading history, the USSR was already collapsing, and in one of the Baltic republics, the grandiose construction of something was muddied and funding from Moscow was broken through, so the money transfer was sabotaged by some nameless official
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 9 December 2020 18: 43
        +2
        Quote: Shkodnik65
        No, they then rolled out or rolled up almost all this infrastructure. Practically nothing of what we left there "Western partners" did not use.

        This is not so - many of our airfields are in use, a few years ago one such was sold to the Chinese for a cargo terminal. In Wünsdorf, our housing stock was renovated, something that was already built under us, and now there are immigrants and some Germans living there - this is posted on YouTube.
        Quote: Shkodnik65
        to the depths of his soul he was outraged by the story that at the time of the withdrawal, when the troops had already gone to the Union, in parallel, they continued to build the ZKP of the headquarters of the YUGV.

        This could be construction at the expense of Hungary's contribution to the Warsaw Pact budget, so there is no need to grieve about it - there might not be our money.
        Quote: Shkodnik65
        Your division, how many millions were left there. And the parts were actually taken out in the field. Not all, of course, but very many. In the winter, in tents, with families.

        It is true - for those scoundrels who planned a hasty escape for us, maybe the tears of those mothers who have found themselves homeless and without prospects will shed tears on their descendants.
      3. Clone
        Clone 9 December 2020 19: 03
        0
        Quote: Shkodnik65
        Tons of concrete, cables and equipment were thrown into the ground. And the decision to withdraw has already been made

        The same thing happened in the GSVG, a withdrawal was announced, and high-rise buildings for families continued to be built. They sent trains with property to the Union, and after a while they received an order to receive material resources ... received, opened ... with OUR accompanying documents !!!
  4. iouris
    iouris 9 December 2020 14: 05
    +4
    Theoretical GSVG could occupy Europe or liberate the country.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 9 December 2020 17: 55
      +2
      Quote: iouris
      Theoretical GSVG could occupy Europe or liberate the country.

      I don’t know about liberating the country, but there was nothing left to occupy Europe - the Netherlands, Belgium, France with Spain and Portugal? They would surrender without flinching laughing And if not in jest, then yes, the GSVG was the most powerful group of forces in the whole world. With its own nuclear weapons, with its aviation, with its schools (as I remember right now, I wrote on a notebook - not just school 85, but GSVG 85th school!), Shops, etc. It was like a completely independent state. Who lived / served there, they remember that.
  5. apro
    apro 9 December 2020 14: 15
    +5
    Flight of the defeated army ... of the destroyed country ...
    Refusal to build a communist society led to collapse in all directions, and the army is no exception.
    The new Russian Federation does not need a military presence in Europe, it needs recognition that they are their own for Western partners ...
  6. Borz
    Borz 9 December 2020 14: 23
    +5
    This is called betrayal. Betrayal by the political leadership of its soldiers and officers. A sad page in the history of a great country.
  7. Shkodnik65
    Shkodnik65 9 December 2020 14: 34
    +4
    Years, in my opinion, in 1990, he was appointed to the group for the evacuation of weapons and military equipment of the Warsaw Pact Organization as the chief of the visiting guard. As I remember now, the Chop station, a train is being pulled - wagons with ammunition. Nobody gets out of the human carriage (accompanied by the Czech guard). The station commandant knocked on the door for three minutes until a rumpled face appeared. The Czech guard silently gathered up their submachine guns, got out (you can't say otherwise) out of the car (ordinary passenger) and walked towards the station. A dumb scene. No property checks (ammunition), no transfer of documents, not even a word. We climb into the car, and there the corner is crammed with empty bottles of beer. The guard was, stupidly, drunk. The commandant's pom ran after them, but we began to settle down. This is how our "brothers in arms" handed over weapons and military equipment to us. Then there was Chop, reloading into our wagons, on our track. And in Lvov there was already a "zhovto-blakitny ensign".
  8. Igoresha
    Igoresha 9 December 2020 15: 05
    -8
    taken out and taken out, there was no way to keep such a crowd at all and, having lost their head through their hair, they do not cry
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 9 December 2020 18: 54
      +5
      Quote: Igoresha
      taken out and taken out, there was no way to keep such a crowd at all and, having lost their head through their hair, they do not cry

      You are simply not in the subject, and you do not know that we could then set such conditions, and the Germans would agree with them that they would withdraw the troops for ten years, and they would build us housing for the withdrawn units and maintain the group until the withdrawal is complete. I well know how much the Germans estimated our remaining value, as well as what they had to compensate us, and this money would be enough for Gorbachev to cover our external debt. But this fool did not even want to listen to the opinion of specialists - he, like a peacock, wanted to walk with a loose tail, and the common people were experiencing hardships in the restructuring, which he started not from a great mind. This was a great betrayal of our people - it is a pity that Gorbachev has not yet been convicted, at least indicatively, by submitting documents of those years.
  9. nikvic46
    nikvic46 9 December 2020 15: 47
    +1
    It was a very sad time for the military at that time. First, the withdrawal from Europe, then from the Union republics. This article made my pressure rise. He seemed to know everything ...
  10. Glory1974
    Glory1974 9 December 2020 16: 00
    +4
    Among other things, the task of the CIA was not to allow the withdrawn troops (and they were the most combat-ready, equipped with the latest equipment), to create a separate district in Russia. The CIA officers coped with this task perfectly. All units were thrown out in different districts in the field. And those who are not in the field, where military camps were nevertheless built, were then reduced. The equipment was sent to be melted down. We received for the division at the plant BMD-1 of the 70s after repairs, and then the brand new BMP-2 went for melting under warranty, with zips under the seals.
    If this is not betrayal, then what is betrayal?
  11. BISMARCK94
    BISMARCK94 9 December 2020 16: 19
    0
    I was born in 94 in a military town called Mulino. They really built a modern town there with a powerful boiler room. Most likely it is one of the villages, built with money allocated by Germany and it looks quite European to itself. I really liked him. As far as I heard, now it is also slowly falling into decay, although a training center was built there and the training ground there is hefty ...
  12. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 9 December 2020 16: 27
    +3
    The withdrawal of troops from Germany is a betrayal of the memory of the fallen !!! am he has no excuse !!!
  13. Doliva63
    Doliva63 9 December 2020 17: 29
    +5
    Snetkov was really the last Soviet general! That is why they were "reduced". And under Burlakov, they were just making money. I found 3 commanders, Burlakov - a laughing stock in front of them. Who was there - for the GSVG! drinks
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 9 December 2020 18: 57
      +5
      Quote: Doliva63
      Snetkov was really the last Soviet general!

      I also have the best memories of Snetkov, and Burlakov is certainly a laughing stock in comparison with him, and even with a bad smell left a memory of himself.
  14. Clone
    Clone 9 December 2020 18: 54
    +4
    My "second German" began in May 1986 in the management of the combined arms army and ended in December 1992, so I can fully judge how the so-called "withdrawal" of the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany, probably ZGV. Yes, something has already been forgotten, the names of my colleagues have "disappeared", but for those events that I still remember, in the old days only one sentence was threatened - the death penalty. Starting from the very top ... and after all, the "marked ghoul" still smokes the sky, even otherworldly forces refuse to take it to themselves.
  15. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 9 December 2020 21: 25
    +7
    the porfume of the district, which caught on to haute couture, sold the great country for trinkets papuasca ueva
  16. konstant213
    konstant213 9 December 2020 23: 46
    0
    Quote: ccsr
    In Wünsdorf, our housing stock was renovated, something that was already built under us, and now there are immigrants and some Germans living there - this is posted on YouTube.

    Can I have a link?
  17. pin_code
    pin_code 10 December 2020 06: 32
    +1
    Although I was a child, I lived in the Mongolian People's Republic, I was also withdrawing troops, I was at the parade when the 90th Tank Regiment was being withdrawn from Choibalsan to the USSR, everything is beautiful and decorous. and immediately retreat, we lived at the pass of the MGSE base, in fact, at the railway station, and the loading of equipment, MTS, ammunition was carried out behind our fence. one fine morning we were taken to school ... the driver stopped, walked around the stacks of boxes with MLRS shells, and just said to run to the Base and call the adults, and call the soldiers (that was the name of all the military garrison). there was not a single sentry ... believe it or not.
  18. seacap
    seacap 10 December 2020 11: 52
    +3
    I will not say anything, censorship words do not come to mind, and the red unit has been hanging for more than one year in my comments.
  19. Gregory Charnota
    Gregory Charnota 11 December 2020 14: 12
    0
    took out day and night drowned shells in the ponds of German tons
    and the tank regiments left behind a nightmare there, but probably it should have been