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The fall of the Karageorgievichs. The last kings of Serbia and Yugoslavia

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Peter I Karageorgievich after coronation


In the previous article (Dragutin Dmitrievich and his "Black Hand") we talked about the tragic end stories Serbian princely and royal dynasty Obrenovici. It was also told about the dramatic events of June 11, 1903, when, during a night assault, the rebels led by Dmitrievich-Apis captured the konak (palace) of King Alexander, the last of the Obrenovichi. In addition to the king, his wife Draga, her two brothers, Prime Minister Tsintsar-Markovic and Defense Minister Milovan Pavlovich, General Lazar Petrovich and some other confidants of the monarch were killed. The Minister of Internal Affairs Belimir Teodorovich was seriously wounded. We ended this story with a message about the death of Dragutin Dmitrievich-Apis. Now we will tell you how the history of the royal House of the Karadjordievichs ended.

Pyotr Karageorgievich


After the assassination of Alexander Obrenovic, a representative of a rival dynasty, Peter I Karageorgievich, the grandson of "Black George" was elevated to the throne of Serbia (he was described in the article "The water in the Drina flows cold, and the blood of the Serbs is hot"). He was born on June 29, 1844 - 14 years after the marriage of his parents: Alexander Karageorgievich and Persida Nenadovich.

The fall of the Karageorgievichs. The last kings of Serbia and Yugoslavia
Pyotr Karageorgievich in his youth

By the way, the next son of Persis, Arsen, was born 15 years after the first - in 1859. He served in the cavalry units of the Russian army, took part in the Russo-Japanese and World War I, in 1914 he was promoted to major general. He went down in history as a Serb who received the largest number of awards from the Russian Empire.


Arsen Karageorgievich

It was his son Pavel (the husband of the Greek princess Olga) who became regent under the underage King Peter II Karageorgievich (on his behalf he ruled the country from October 9, 1934 - March 27, 1941) and concluded a pact with Nazi Germany, which served as the reason for the coup d'etat.

Pyotr Karageorgievich was 14 years old at the time of his expulsion from the country. First, the prince ended up in Wallachia, then in France, where he studied at the famous military academy of Saint-Cyr. Since he was not a citizen of France, in the army of this country he had only one way - to the Foreign Legion. In its composition, Lieutenant Pyotr Karageorgievich took part in the Franco-Prussian War of 1870-1871. and was even awarded the Order of the Legion of Honor for courageous behavior in the Battle of Villersexel - one of the few where the French won then.


Alphonse de Neuville. "Battle of Villersexel"

Then, under the name of Piotr Markovic (Petar Mrkoњiћ) in 1875, this prince ended up in the Balkans, where an anti-Ottoman uprising began in Bosnia and Herzegovina.


Prince Peter in 1875, Bosnia and Herzegovina

As a volunteer, he also took part in the Serbo-Turkish and the last Russian-Turkish wars. In 1879, on suspicion of plotting the assassination of Alexander Obrenovic, a court in Serbia sentenced him to death in absentia.

In 1883, Peter married Zorka Petrovic, the daughter of the Montenegrin prince Nikola I Njegos (in 1910 he would become the first and last king of Montenegro) and moved to Cetinje. At first, the father-in-law supported Peter's plans to prepare a coup in Serbia, but then abandoned them, deciding that this adventure has little chance of success and better "tit in hand" in the form of good relations with the current Serbian authorities than "pie in the sky". which still needs to be caught. As a result, the offended Pyotr Karageorgievich in 1894 together with his family moved to Geneva, where he lived until the murder of Alexander Obrenovich in 1903. It is curious that at that time this prince made acquaintance with M. Bakunin, and in emigre circles he was even called “ Red Peter ".

In 1899, at the invitation of Nicholas II, Peter's sons George and Alexander (the future king of Yugoslavia), as well as his nephew Pavel (who was destined to become regent under Peter's grandson) arrived in Petersburg and entered the Corps of Pages, founded by the Empress Elizabeth.


Vorontsov Palace, where the Corps of Pages was located. Lithograph after drawing by I.I.Charlemagne, 1858

At that time, the Corps of Pages was no longer a court school, but a prestigious military school that supplied officers to the elite guards regiments. So the princes of the House of Karageorgievich received the traditional military education for their family. Later, one of them (Peter in 1911) was appointed chief of the 14th Olonets infantry regiment of the Russian army.

At the time of his accession to the throne, Pyotr Karageorgievich was already 59 years old. He was declared King of Serbia on June 15, 1903, and the coronation ceremony took place on September 2 of the same year.


Peter I Karageorgievich after the ceremony of chrismation, photo from the Library of Congress

In Serbia, this king became popular due to his liberal views and especially the victories in the I and II Balkan Wars.


6th Infantry Regiment of the Serbian Army enters Skopje, 26 October 1912


Serbian soldiers at the pile weaponssurrendered by the Turks

However, the power of Petr Karageorgievich was rather limited. Making decisions, he was constantly forced to look back at the "junta" of Dragutin Dmitrievich "Apis", and after 1909 the youngest son of the king, Alexander, began to exert increasing influence on the country's foreign and domestic policy.

Recall that the eldest son of the king, George, after the murder of a servant in 1909, was deprived of the title of heir, although he retained the title and all the privileges entailed. George, in general, since childhood, was distinguished by a frenzied disposition and uncontrolled behavior. And therefore, Peter Karageorgievich himself told the courtiers that Georgy was his son (meaning the traditional family character traits of the Karageorgievichs), and Alexander was “the grandson of King Nicholas I of Montenegro” (this prince was more flexible, cunning and calculating).


Crown Prince Georgy Karageorgievich, photo of 1908


Prince Alexander Karageorgievich

On June 25 (July 8), 1914, in the midst of the crisis, Pyotr Karageorgievich actually renounced power, yielding the throne to his 26-year-old son Alexander, who became regent under his father. Perhaps he was forced into this by his own courtiers, who were already oriented towards the power-hungry heir to the throne.

It was the regent Alexander who did not dare to accept the sixth point of the July ultimatum to Austria-Hungary, which only required admitting the Austrian investigation team to the investigation of the murder of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, since he was not sure that the top leaders of the Serbian army and counterintelligence were not involved in this case.

By that time, Pyotr Karageorgievich, this once gallant prince and king, began to show more and more signs of senile dementia (dementia). He remembered well his young years, but he forgot where he was and what he was doing yesterday, he could shoot a gun, but he was untidy and had difficulties in self-service. He remained almost indifferent during the retreat of the Serbian army to the Adriatic in November-December 1915, when he was taken out of the country on a simple peasant cart drawn by oxen:


Edmond Rostand wrote about the impression that this photograph made on him:

When I saw this, it seemed to me that Homer himself, exiled to the Serbian lands, had harnessed those four oxen for the king!

The eldest son of King Peter, Georgy Karageorgievich, described this sorrowful journey in the book "The Truth About My Life" (1969):

On a cart drawn by oxen, the king sat hunched over. In a soldier's greatcoat, without hot food, under the wild howling of the wind, through snowstorms, day and night without sleep and rest, the sick and old, deeply saddened old king shared the fate of his exiled people. In the wild, where it was already impossible to pass, the exhausted soldiers carried their old and haggard king on their shoulders until their knees buckled from exhaustion.

Serbia was then occupied by the troops of Austria-Hungary, Germany and Bulgaria, the army of this country was evacuated to the island of Corfu and to Bizerte. Along with the military units, many civilians then left, tens of thousands of Serbs (both military personnel and civilians) died during this transition from wounds, diseases, cold and hunger. In Serbian historiography, this retreat was called "Albanian Golgotha" ("Albanian Golgotha"). However, the Serbs went not only through Albania, but also through Montenegro. The minimum number of losses incurred then was 72 thousand people, but some researchers increase it more than 2 times, claiming that out of 300 thousand who went on this trip, only 120 thousand reached the Albanian ports of Shkoder, Durres and Vlora.



Serbian cavalrymen cross the Drina during their retreat to the Adriatic coast


Column of retreating Serbian soldiers, 1915


Serbian refugees on their way to the Adriatic

Weakened by the long and difficult road, the Serbs continued to die after the evacuation - in Bizerte and on the island of Corfu. From Corfu, the sick were transported to the island of Vidu near Kerkyra, where about 5 thousand people died. There were not enough places for their burial on land, so the corpses with stones tied to them were thrown into the sea: the coastal waters of Vido in Serbia have since been called the "Blue Tomb" (Plava Tomb).

The last time Petr Karageorgievich was “shown to the public” was on December 1, 1918, during the ceremony of proclaiming the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes. The first king of the future Yugoslavia died on August 16, 1921.

King Alexander Karageorgievich



His successor, Alexander, has been acting head of state for 7 years, so nothing has changed since his accession to the throne in Serbia. The new king was the godson of the Russian Emperor Alexander III and a graduate of the St. Petersburg Corps of Pages, during the 1st and 1914nd Balkan Wars he commanded the 1915st Serbian Army. After the end of the Second Balkan War, Alexander was awarded the Serbian Gold Medal of Milos Oblilich and the Russian Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called. During World War I, he became commander-in-chief of the Serbian army, received two Russian orders of St. George - IV degree in XNUMX and III degree in XNUMX.

Despite the military disaster at the end of 1915, which ended with the aforementioned "Albanian Golgotha", Serbia, following the results of World War I, was among the victorious powers, annexing the lands of Croatia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and even the formerly independent kingdom of Montenegro to its territory - this is how the “Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes” appeared, which later became Yugoslavia.


Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes

After the defeat in the Civil War, about 20 thousand former subjects of the Russian Empire ended up on the territory of this kingdom, who were evacuated from Odessa in April 1919, Novorossiysk in February 1920 and Crimea in November 1920. These were White Guard soldiers and officers, including Cossacks, civilian refugees, and even 5317 children. The most educated of the former Russians were able to get a job in their specialty: 600 became teachers in various educational institutions, 9 later became part of the local Academy of Sciences. The architects V. Stashevsky and I. Artemushkin were very successful. N. Krasnov, the chief architect of Yalta, whose most famous creation is the famous Livadia Palace, also ended up in Yugoslavia. It was according to his project that the Serbian mausoleum was built on the island of Vido:


From 1921 to 1944 the administration of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia was located on the territory of Serbia.

However, the majority of Russian emigrants earned their living "by hand", in particular, many roads in the mountains were laid by their labor.

King Alexander never recognized the Soviet Union, and diplomatic relations with the USSR were established only in 1940 during the regency of his cousin Pavel.

In 1925, by order of Alexander, his elder brother George was isolated in the royal hunting castle, and then placed in a mansion specially built for him on the territory of the Belgrade psychiatric hospital, thus finding himself in the position of the Ottoman shehzade, imprisoned in the golden cage of the cafe. (The cafe was described in the article "Game of Thrones" in the Ottoman Empire. Fatih's law in action and the emergence of cafes).


Prince Georgy Karageorgievich, photo of 1914

Here he was "treated" for "schizophrenia with suicidal tendencies", and George was released only after the occupation of Yugoslavia in 1941. As we remember, this prince from childhood was distinguished by a violent disposition and uncontrollable behavior, however, the prince's attending psychiatrist later said that this diagnosis was fabricated by direct order of the king. It is believed that in this way Alexander Karageorgievich cleared the way to the throne for his own son, Peter, who was only 2 years old at the time of George's arrest.

In 1929, Alexander Karageorgievich dissolved the National Assembly (Assembly), becoming practically an autocratic monarch. In an appeal on this matter, he then stated:

The hour has come when there should no longer be any mediators between the people and the king ... Parliamentary institutions, which my blessedly deceased father used as a political tool, remain my ideal ... But blind political passions abused the parliamentary system so much that it became an obstacle any useful national activity.

Petar Zhivkovic (head of the secret monarchist organization "White Hand", established in May 1912) was appointed Prime Minister of Yugoslavia.


Of course, many in Yugoslavia did not like this.

Fatal Tuesday Karageorgievich


It is said that for a long time Alexander I refused to take part in any public events on Tuesdays on the grounds that three members of his family died on that day of the week. But one Tuesday, October 9, 1934, was an exception to the rule. Ironically, it was on this day that the King of Yugoslavia and French Foreign Minister Louis Bartou died in Marseille.

By the way, on Tuesday, Alexander's son Peter, the last crowned monarch of Yugoslavia, will also die.


King Alexander I of Yugoslavia and French Foreign Minister Louis Bartoux, October 9, 1934]

For a long time it was believed that both Alexander and Bartu were shot by the militant of the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization Vlado Chernozemsky.


Vlado Cernozemski

However, in 1974, it turned out that Chernozemsky had killed only Alexander, and French policemen shot Minister Barta. The fact is that the forensic medical examination carried out at that time established: the bullet that hit Bartu had a caliber of 8 mm and was used in the service weapon of the guards, while Chernozemsky shot 7,65 mm bullets. And Chernozemsky had no reason to kill Barta: his target was precisely the king, who, since 1929, had acted in Yugoslavia in the spirit of the Italian Duce Mussolini. We can only guess what it was: a tragic accident or the deliberate elimination of a minister who was objectionable to someone? Who had previously achieved an invitation from the USSR to the League of Nations and was preparing a draft treaty, according to which France, Italy and the countries of the Little Entente (Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Romania) undertook to collectively guarantee Austria's independence from Germany.

King Peter II Karageorgievich and regent Pavel



Prince Regent Paul and Peter II at the review of the royal guard

The eldest son of the murdered King Alexander - Peter, was then only 11 years old, at that time he was in Great Britain - he studied at the prestigious Sandroyd School, which is located in Wiltshire.


Sandroyd School's main building, currently £ 7 per semester

Having interrupted his studies, Peter returned to his homeland, however, as you understand, he became a purely decorative figure there. The country was ruled by the regent - a cousin of the murdered king Paul, who decided to sign a pact with Germany and her allies.


Prince Regent Paul and Adolf Hitler


Prince Regent Paul at the ceremony of signing a treaty with Germany and its allies

However, in Serbia of those years, the saying “God is in heaven, and Russia is on earth” was still in use. In March 1941, Pavel was ousted from power by a group of patriotic officers led by General Simonovich. Many of them were members of the secret organization "White Hand" (created on May 17, 1912 by Petar Zhivkovich in opposition to the "Black Hand" Dragutin Dmitrievich - Apis). In 1945, Pavel was completely recognized as a war criminal in Yugoslavia (although he did not take part in the hostilities, after the outbreak of the war he lived in Greece, Cairo, Nairobi and Johannesburg), but in 2011 he was rehabilitated by the Supreme Court of Serbia.

Let's return to Yugoslavia in March 1941. After Pavel was removed from power, Peter II Karageorgievich, who was urgently declared an adult (he was 17 years old at the time), entered into a treaty of friendship with the USSR and after 2 weeks fled from the country, which on April 6 was attacked by the armies of Germany, Italy and Hungary.


Peter II and Winston Churchill, July 4, 1941

In London, Peter married the Greek princess Alexandra (March 20, 1944), the next year they had a son named Alexander (the house in which the birth took place was declared the territory of Yugoslavia for one day - so that the boy had the right to the throne of this country ). This measure turned out to be superfluous, since on November 29, 1945, Yugoslavia was proclaimed a republic, and after 1991 this country ceased to exist altogether, eventually breaking up into 6 states (not counting Kosovo, which was not recognized by a number of countries).

On this, the story of the kings of Serbia and Yugoslavia, in general, ended. The last crowned monarch, Peter II Karageorgievich, died on November 3, 1970 in Denver, Colorado, at the age of 47 after a liver transplant. At the same time, he went down in history as the only European king (albeit deposed), buried in America (the monastery of St. Sava, located in one of the suburbs of Chicago). The only representative of the House of Karageorgievich, who was allowed to live in socialist Yugoslavia, was a former prisoner of the "cafe" George: apparently, Tito and his associates appreciated the refusal of this prince to become king of Serbia after its occupation in 1941. In 1969, in Belgrade, even a book of George's memoirs "The Truth About My Life" ("The Truth About My Belly") was published, an excerpt from which was quoted in this article. He died without leaving children in 1972.

The next article titled “Montenegrins and the Ottoman Empire»Will tell about the Ottoman period in the history of this Balkan country.
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  1. Korsar4
    Korsar4 11 December 2020 04: 54
    +11
    The photograph is strong: "The King on the Cart". You never know when the hand will appear and “Mene, Tekel, Fares” will draw.
    1. Graz
      Graz 11 December 2020 15: 32
      +5
      that immediately the association with King Lear of Shakespeare came
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 11 December 2020 17: 06
        +4
        And this is universal. There is a strong painting "Cain" in the Musée d'Orsay.
  2. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 11 December 2020 05: 34
    +2
    You look at all these kings, princes, heirs and think how far they are from the people of Serbia.
    1. Sergey Oreshin
      Sergey Oreshin 11 December 2020 14: 31
      +3
      Why are they far away? In the two Balkan wars and in the First World War, the Serbs fought under the slogan "For the King and Fatherland!" And fought bravely, I must say
  3. Cure72
    Cure72 11 December 2020 05: 47
    +3
    Hooray !!! Continuation. Thank you, I read it with great pleasure.
  4. APIS
    APIS 11 December 2020 06: 44
    +3
    Again, all in a bunch of horses-people.
    Apis, of course, is a very famous figure among us thanks to Pikul, but forgetting the Traveler, Pashich, Misic when writing about the Balkans of the early 20th century is not worth it.
    D. Dmitrievich is a man of action, with convictions, but not a politician. Walking like a bull through.
    I can recommend D. Chosic, "Time of the Dead" in particular. This is, of course, a fiction novel, but it conveys the era very accurately. And the diversity of views, even in the family.
    Speaking about Yugoslavia in World War II, one should not forget about the Balkan Bandera - Bulgarians. If no one remembers them on the battlefield, then they were noted as punishers. Google the Empty River and the Loophole.
    One hotel room has been declared the territory of Yugoslavia, if I am not mistaken 212 in Mayfair. The small-shaven house was squeezed.
    1. VLR
      11 December 2020 07: 43
      +8
      About "Bandera", such as the Ustasha, SS "Khanjar" and others will still be told. For the first time in the next article - about Montenegro, but the main continuation in articles about Croatia and Bosnia. The articles about Serbia, of which there were already 4, had other problems.
      1. APIS
        APIS 11 December 2020 09: 54
        -1
        Above it is indicated: the Banderites-Bulgarians, and the places of their "exploits".
        1. VLR
          11 December 2020 10: 22
          +4
          It will be a little too
      2. vladcub
        vladcub 11 December 2020 19: 08
        +2
        Valery, you have an interesting cycle. We will learn a lot of new things. Go on and on, and let the critics write better
  5. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 11 December 2020 07: 30
    +5
    Thank you, Valery!
    Didn't know about Alexander's Tuesday phobia.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 11 December 2020 23: 09
      +2
      Anton, this is rock, not a phobia. Or how else can this be regarded?
      But one Tuesday, October 9, 1934, was an exception to the rule. Ironically, it was on this day that the King of Yugoslavia and French Foreign Minister Louis Bartou died in Marseille.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 11 December 2020 23: 14
        +2
        It happens. A person thinks that he has deceived fate, but God is not a fraer ...
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 11 December 2020 23: 17
          +2
          God is God, and you cannot escape fate. request (Again, let me remind you about the pistol of the Marquis smile )
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 11 December 2020 07: 47
    +3
    Serbia did not attach anything to itself, it was annexed to it. Western countries created Yugoslavia, they also contributed to its collapse, quickly recognizing Croatia, Slovenia, Macedonia ..
    1. VLR
      11 December 2020 08: 21
      +9
      Well, how did Serbia not join? Of course, not herself - she took it, and, spit on everyone, added it: with the permission of the great powers, but with great pleasure. Ever since the time of Ilya Garashanin's Inscription (1844) she dreamed about it.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 11 December 2020 09: 02
        +2
        In principle, I am talking about this, that with permission, and not even with permission, but by decision of the great powers. Well, do not reward Greece with Macedonia, which practically did not make any contribution to WWI and do not leave the same for the same Hungary, Slovenia and Croatia and also give Bosnia and Herzegovina in the bargain, or God forbid making these lands independent, and suddenly under the influence Hungary or Austria? Give Slovenia to Italy? It will be fat, hesitated for a long time. And so everything is under the supervision of King Alexander and the lands given to him. And at the end of the last century, the same on the arena, the question was decided in accordance with the Russian classics: we gave birth to you, we will kill you. And besides, what to expect from a united Yugoslavia? Where will it "turn the carts"? And so, recognized by the great powers, the newly independent states, "coffin" will be obliged to those who essentially created them. That is now observed.
      2. Bagatur
        Bagatur 11 December 2020 15: 07
        +4
        We dreamed of Serbia as Piemont for the Slavs in the Balkans ... Bulgarians, Croatians, etc., nothing to do with ... everything ended in 1991, we saw how.
  7. Marine engineer
    Marine engineer 11 December 2020 09: 47
    0
    In the photograph "King Alexander I of Yugoslavia and French Foreign Minister Louis Bartoux, October 9, 1934"
    Alexander looks much older than his 46 years.
    As the saying goes, "God marks the rogue."
    1. Bagatur
      Bagatur 11 December 2020 12: 59
      +5
      He had cancer of the pancreas ... not a lot of life was left. But VMRO vowed to execute for genocide against the Bulgarian population of Macedonia ..
      1. Marine engineer
        Marine engineer 11 December 2020 13: 48
        0
        Did not know. Thank.
      2. Bagatur
        Bagatur 11 December 2020 15: 04
        +3
        Then a myth was invented in Belgrade that the dying Alexander Karageorgevich said "Chuvaite mi, Yugoslavia ..." - take care of Yugoslavia. For this, the leader of the VMRO Ivan (Vancho) Mikhailov said: "There are too many words for a man with a bullet in his heart ..."
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 11 December 2020 16: 33
          +4
          My respect, comrade! Are you Serb?
          1. Bagatur
            Bagatur 11 December 2020 17: 21
            +3
            Of course not.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 11 December 2020 17: 43
              +4
              Excuse me, please, your national identification has become interesting ... Today, even in Runet, this is a very immodest question.
              1. Bagatur
                Bagatur 11 December 2020 23: 21
                +1
                I'm Bulgarian, if it's so important ...
                1. VLR
                  11 December 2020 23: 38
                  +2
                  By the way, I immediately decided that you are from Bulgaria smile
                2. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 11 December 2020 23: 50
                  +2
                  Thank you for your frankness! hi
                  Why did you ask? It's just that your spelling is not typical for Bulgarians who write in Russian.
                  1. Bagatur
                    Bagatur 12 December 2020 09: 15
                    +3
                    Sorry, please. My Russian is not so good ... I understand everything, but I can't write correctly ...
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 12 December 2020 09: 42
                      +2
                      Everything is good! hi drinks
  8. Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 11 December 2020 13: 21
    +8
    Thank you for the material, Valery.
    It's a pity that the editors again put you and Shpakovsky on the same day, yesterday, for example, there was nothing to read at all.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 11 December 2020 16: 34
      +4
      What to do, Mikhail ... What to do ...
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 11 December 2020 19: 04
        +1
        Let the aster on them. She would have told them.
        In fact, moderators or editors have a huge "jamb" that they do not think who and when they put
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  9. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 11 December 2020 14: 25
    +2
    , after the start of the war he lived in Greece, Cairo, Nairobi and Johannesburg),
    The ruler seemed to be good - every year he shook more and more south and south. In general, I am impressed that it was not kings and other officials who ruled in Serbia
    1. Sergey Oreshin
      Sergey Oreshin 11 December 2020 15: 03
      +1
      So after all, any king is "played by the retinue"
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 11 December 2020 16: 28
      +3
      But in general, I am impressed that it was not kings and other officials who ruled in Serbia
      And so it is. It's just that Alexander forgot what century he lived in and began to build absolutism. For which they killed.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 11 December 2020 19: 20
        +2
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        Alexander just forgot what century he lives

        So they get better protection than the Romanovs, if, on average, the monarchs are divided into coups.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 11 December 2020 22: 16
          +3
          So the dynasty was younger. We were in a hurry to live.
  10. Sergey Oreshin
    Sergey Oreshin 11 December 2020 14: 34
    +4
    Now, if Peter II had not fled the country, but would have stayed, went underground and led the partisan movement in the occupied territory of the country - who knows, maybe he would have had a chance to keep the throne.
    Yet the authority of a partisan king would be immeasurably higher than a refugee king who abandoned his country
    1. VLR
      11 December 2020 14: 40
      +6
      Yes, not in the gallant grandfather Peter went, who in his youth and fought wherever possible, and partisans in Bosnia, although no one forced him. Very rapid degradation of descendants and degeneration - as in the case of the kings of the Obrenovic dynasty. Both began with the dashing leaders of the people and chieftains, and ended with the weak and weak-willed Alexander Obrenovich and the worthless Peter II Karageorgievich.
    2. vladcub
      vladcub 11 December 2020 18: 30
      +2
      The "underground king" is cooler than the "refugee" king. And FIG knows how the history of Yugoslavia would go?
      1. Sergey Oreshin
        Sergey Oreshin 11 December 2020 19: 13
        +1
        Although, of course, he would have a lot of chances to die, because very many would be interested in his death
        1. VLR
          11 December 2020 19: 41
          +6
          During the rebellion "Nika" Theodora said to Justinian, who was about to flee: "The best shroud is the imperial mantle."
          And it is better to die like Allende with a gun in his hands than to rot in Rostov, despised by everyone - both in Ukraine and in Russia, like Yanukovych.
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 12 December 2020 12: 40
            +2
            That Nicholas 2, that Kerensky, that Gorbachev, that Yanek, they ALL could keep the power, but happily screwed.
            I am a villager and I imagine this allegory: young trotters are harnessed to the carriage, the coachman has dropped the reins and let’s shout: "Help, the horses have carried it." Here the coachman has two options: 1) jump off on the move, and then how lucky: where you fall; 2) try to pick up the reins, and here, as in the first case, how lucky.
            Nikolay 2 jumped off and his head on the stones, Gorbachev jumped into the shit and gladly gladdened that he did not blur out with the carriage from the steep. Janek in the swamp.
            Allende tried to catch the reins, but could not
          2. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 12 December 2020 13: 31
            +2
            Quote: VlR
            And it is better to die like Allende with a gun in his hands than to rot in Rostov, despised by everyone - both in Ukraine and in Russia, like Yanukovych.

            Yanukovych, as you can see, is really sitting and rotting and this is really worthy of contempt. But not all political emigrants are like that - many, being in exile, continue the political struggle and some even manage to successfully complete it.
            It's foolish to die if you can keep fighting.
            For example, Richard III, seeing his defeat on the battlefield as a result of betrayal, rushed into a suicidal attack and died, thus predetermining the end of the entire dynasty. He died gloriously and valiantly, but hardly anyone could bring great joy to Henry Tudor. Would Richard have given the order to retreat in Bosworth Field, and put all his energy into ensuring this retreat, instead of trying to knightly end Henry personally, the chances for Tudor to survive in the further war would be regrettably small.
            Yanukovych evokes charity not because he managed to survive, but because he stopped fighting.
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 12 December 2020 18: 40
              +2
              It's one thing to fight only for yourself. Another is if there is at least one person behind you.

              Leadership, even in a small group, is the only way to manifest itself.
              And yet, it often happens: "The entrance is a ruble, the exit is two."
              1. Trilobite Master
                Trilobite Master 12 December 2020 18: 47
                +2
                A politician is a leader by definition, behind him are always people whose fate depends on his decisions. As Zhvanetsky said - "If you can't love - sit, be friends." smile
  11. vladcub
    vladcub 11 December 2020 17: 35
    +3
    I read and thought: in every dynasty there were both shit and nuggets.
    Take the Rurik: Vladimir Monomakh, Yaroslav the Wise, Simeon, showed themselves to be a state, and how many among the Rurik are non-entities.
    The Romanovs: Alexei Mikhailovich, Peter, with a lot of "shoals", was a PERSONALITY, Catherine the Great, too many shoals, but a smart woman. Pavel 1, I think that he did not have time to turn around, the Zubovskaya snuffbox prevented. Nicholas 1, was a strong-willed man, the first to appreciate the need for railways. Nicholas II "henpecked" profiled the empire and himself with his family.
    Karageogiy, managed to kill his brother and father, but the Turks are a nightmare. Peter Karageorgiev was a brave officer and if not for dementia he would have been a normal king. Alexander Karageorgiev, he reminds me: Alexandra1-myself naum.
    At Obrenovichi, but here a little bit poorer
    1. VLR
      11 December 2020 17: 42
      +4
      Well, Catherine II - Romanova only by her husband, and so - a purebred German, Anhalt-Zerbst princess from Stettin.
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 11 December 2020 18: 23
        +3
        Good evening, I know that she is Romanov's husband. There was no third dynasty in Russia and I "stuck" it into the Romanovs.
        For that matter, Peter 1, Romanov is questionable. You know that Natalya Kirilovna was a "playful" person. They do not even exclude that she was "naughty" with Patriarch Nikon.
    2. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 11 December 2020 18: 35
      +6
      This is not only in every dynasty, it can be found in every family, there is nothing you can do about it. And when there is a mass of closely related marriages in the family, degradation occurs much faster. However, I do not know what pedigrees the wives of the Serbian kings had, whether this problem concerned them, but the last Romanovs were definitely all married or married to relatives - in such situations, it is difficult to expect something worthwhile from offspring.
      In addition, the rules of succession to the throne in the XIX - XX centuries. precisely determined the circle of heirs and their sequence, so that it was not even possible to choose the best one available.
      Of the few advantages of the monarchy, it can only be noted that the children of the august persons from childhood were prepared for the reign, so to speak, they were taught ... And it still did not help. If the ceiling of a person is to shoot crows and cats - there is nothing you can do ...
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 11 December 2020 18: 56
        +2
        Misha, I'm not Valery and I don't know about: Karageorgievich and Obrenovich. But about the Romanovs: theoretically they had a chance if PA Stolypin had not died. He was a man with a head and strong-willed, and that means a lot.
        I do not like alternatives, but a protective example ... I have thought more than once: Pyotr Arkadyevich, 7 out of 10, will recover, that he kept the portfolios of the Presidential Council of Ministers and the Ministry of Internal Affairs. For him were: the Dowager Empress, Vladimir K. Nikolai Nikolaevich, I think, Mikhail. In short, everyone who did not like Alexandra Feodorovna, and this is a noticeable force
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 11 December 2020 19: 40
          +5
          When I was confused for myself to determine the "point of no return", after which the Russian Empire was doomed to death, I stopped at the murder of Stolypin. Before that, it was difficult to do anything, but after that nothing could be done.
          It is unlikely that we will ever know for sure everyone who is behind this murder, but personally it seems to me more likely that the bullets at Stolypin, according to Pikul's apt expression, flew from the right, not the left, and if so, then there was no chance ... Even if he had survived, they would not have been allowed to complete his plan.
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 12 December 2020 16: 21
            +2
            Perhaps it was delayed. Even in February 1917. At least Shulgin in his book: "Days" thinks so.
            And on the whole I agree with him, but Nikalai 2 had to leave.
            Regarding Pikul, this is somewhat strained, probably, it was here: His Majesty Bardak and the ability to "catch a fish in troubled water"
            1. Trilobite Master
              Trilobite Master 12 December 2020 18: 56
              +3
              Too deep contradictions are ripe there. It would have taken years to resolve them, and the First World War was just around the corner. There was no time. After the reforms of Stolypin were curtailed, it seems to me that there was no chance of getting out of the crisis. It is not a fact that Stolypin could have saved the empire, but at least he tried.
              And as for 1917, everything was already a foregone conclusion - some successful tactical decisions could have delayed something, slightly change the course of events, but the monarchy was doomed, and there was no adequate replacement for it, which was shown, in fact, by the Temporary government with its destructive policies. The Bolsheviks, whom until July 1917 they knew only in narrow circles of politicians and no one took it seriously, therefore managed to take power because no one was holding it at that moment - the complete impotence of the Provisional Government and, as a result, catastrophic anarchy against the background of continuing war.
              1. vladcub
                vladcub 12 December 2020 19: 56
                +2
                Purely theoretically: Alekseev did not "squeeze" the last telegram of Nicholas 2 and power passed to his son, but the Tsarevich is underage (for the tsar, the majority is also 21?) Means the Regency Council. Probably, Nikolai Nikolaevich would be the head. This is already relieving tension in society.
                Germany probably surrendered by the spring of 1918. The euphoria in the state is probably the creation of a "responsible government", and this will still "blow off steam." The Tsarevich could not rule the country and the throne passes to Mikhail2?
                Most likely in Russia there would be a semblance of a constitutional monarchy. The next step was the land issue, but how to solve it, the options were different.
                This is all theory
      2. vladcub
        vladcub 11 December 2020 18: 58
        +2
        "In every family you can meet" I wanted to start my comment like that, and then turned to the dynasty
  12. ee2100
    ee2100 11 December 2020 21: 21
    +2
    "And Persida Nenadovich." (C) what a beautiful combination of name and patronymic. You will think and come up with the coolest.
  13. Tochilka
    Tochilka 11 December 2020 21: 39
    +1
    out of interest, I took Pikul's "The Honor" to refresh my memory.
    So he wrote a lot of things based on real events? what
  14. Marine engineer
    Marine engineer 11 December 2020 23: 31
    0
    "The book of memories of George" The truth about my life "(" The truth about my stomach "),"

    Is this book online in Russian?
    1. VLR
      11 December 2020 23: 39
      +2
      In my opinion, there is no full text in Russian.
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