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What would have happened if there had been no Lend-Lease: facts and myths around aid during the war

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One of the themes about the Great Patriotic War, which has managed to acquire a large number of various myths, is the theme of Lend-Lease. These are supplies weapons, uniforms, ammunition, food and equipment in the USSR along the so-called allied line of the anti-Hitler coalition.


It is worth noting that the myth-making around Lend-Lease goes in several directions. Often these directions are opposite to each other. It happens to hear statements that it was Lend-Lease that became "the main factor in the defeat of the Hitlerite army by Soviet troops on the Eastern Front." There are other myths as well. For example, the exact opposite - "Lend-Lease did not play any role at all in the struggle of the Soviet Union against Nazi Germany."

As always, the truth is somewhere in between.

On the YouTube channel "Ears are waving a donkey", they tell important details about Lend-Lease, which many in our country (and not only in ours) simply do not know about. Political scientist Oleg Matveychev talks about the fact that there is no need to think that lend-lease is aid that was sent exclusively to the USSR. If we talk about aid from overseas, then about 70% of it fell within the framework of the same Lend-Lease in the UK. No more than a quarter of the total volume of American Lend-Lease came to the USSR. However, it is still impossible to say that this is a “drop in the ocean”.

Oleg Matveychev's story tells about what routes the aid went to the Soviet Union, what was the volume of this aid, what would have happened if there was no Lend-Lease. The video presents both facts and main myths about aid in the form of Lend-Lease during the war years.

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  1. Catfish
    Catfish 7 December 2020 17: 01
    +32
    What would have happened if there were no Lend-Lease ...

    It would be worse without him than with him.
    1. Alexander Suvorov
      Alexander Suvorov 7 December 2020 17: 20
      +33
      Perhaps worse, but not as critical as some pseudo-historians are now trying to present. The USSR survived without Lend-Lease in the toughest period of 1941-1943, and the Battle of Moscow and the Battle of Stalingrad took place without the main supplies under the Lend-Lease, the main supplies began at the end of 43. So there is no need to exaggerate this boring story about Amerzos "help". Suffice it to recall that the Nazis received about the same help from the Amerzos up to their landing in Normandy.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 7 December 2020 17: 45
        -10%
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        Perhaps worse, but not as critical as some pseudo-historians are now trying to present

        Stalin makes a toast at Churchill's birthday:

        “I want to tell you what, from the Soviet point of view, the President and the United States have done to win the war. The most important things in this war are the machines. The United States has proven that it can produce 8,000 to 10,000 aircraft a month. Russia can produce at most 3000 planes a month. England produces 3000-3500 a month, mostly heavy bombers. So the United States is a country of machines. Without these machines, supplied under Lend-Lease, we would have lost this war. "
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 7 December 2020 18: 12
          +23
          Quote: RUSS
          Stalin makes a toast at Churchill's birthday:

          Well, he could not, at the birthday party, say - we would have done without you.
          Stalin was a well-mannered person.
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 7 December 2020 18: 17
            +4
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Quote: RUSS
            Stalin makes a toast at Churchill's birthday:

            Well, he could not, at the birthday party, say - we would have done without you.
            Stalin was a well-mannered person.

            So he did not have a time machine. How could he find out what would happen in a year and a half.
          2. t-34marina
            t-34marina 7 December 2020 20: 06
            -1
            Ha ha! Implied ...
          3. Avior
            Avior 7 December 2020 22: 54
            +3
            This is a speech in Tehran in 1943
            Stalin’s words were documented in the daily journal of the President of the United States during the Tehran Conference, which was published in the 1961 American collection on page 469. The toast of the head of the Soviet delegation was included in the journal as the most interesting event of the gala dinner on the evening of November 30, 1943.

            "I want to tell you, from the Soviet point of view, what the President and United States have done to win the war. The most important things in this war are machines. The United States has proven that it can turn out from eight to ten thousand airplanes a month. England turns out three thousand a month, principally heavy bombers. The United States, therefore, is a country of machines. Without the use of those machines, through Lend-Lease, we would lose this war. "


            Indirect confirmation of such statements was in Khrushchev's memoirs
        2. mat-vey
          mat-vey 7 December 2020 18: 15
          +10
          Quote: RUSS
          Stalin makes a toast at Churchill's birthday:

          Quote: RUSS
          Without these machines, supplied under Lend-Lease, we would have lost this war "

          How many did not ask, no one answered - How did Stalin know in 1943 that the war was won? Moreover, the supplies under the Lend-Lease for the subsequent period exceeded what was delivered before this "speech"?
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 7 December 2020 18: 24
            +4
            In 1943, the guys already divided Europe at the Tehran conference and were confident of victory.
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 7 December 2020 18: 31
              +5
              Quote: BlackMokona
              In 1943, the guys already divided Europe at the Tehran conference and were confident of victory.

              Only the "cars" were not delivered yet ... although everyone was so "confident" ..... they knew precisely because of these machines.
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 7 December 2020 18: 38
                0
                By 1943, the Iranian supply route had already been established and huge masses of resources had already been poured along it.
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 7 December 2020 19: 00
                  +8
                  Quote: BlackMokona
                  By 1943, the Iranian supply route had already been established and huge masses of resources had already been poured along it.

                  It was precisely in 1943 that it had just begun, and it was just that they were "confident of victory."
                  1. Blackmokona
                    Blackmokona 7 December 2020 20: 36
                    -4
                    Well, part of this confidence was built on this endless stream of resources, which the Germans could not block.
                    1. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 7 December 2020 20: 37
                      +4
                      Quote: BlackMokona
                      Well, part of this confidence was built on this endless stream of resources, which the Germans could not block.

                      Are you Rybakov by any chance? Moreover, the transcripts of this speech in Russian have not yet been found.
                      1. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 7 December 2020 20: 37
                        -2
                        No, or do you think the power of the top 1 industrial power supplying an ever-increasing amount of equipment does not affect the confidence of victory in any way?
                      2. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 7 December 2020 20: 42
                        +1
                        And according to your Stalin, it immediately became clear that it was thanks to this assistance that the USSR would win? And the fact that his production began to recover did not inspire him at all?
                      3. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 7 December 2020 20: 45
                        -5
                        You replace the argument, part, for everything.
                      4. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 7 December 2020 20: 46
                        -1
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        You replace the argument, part, for everything.

                        So you fantasize at all. Or can you?
                      5. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 7 December 2020 20: 47
                        -2
                        No, you are replacing it. Read
                        well, like this часть this confidence was built on this endless flow of resources, which the Germans could not block
                      6. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 7 December 2020 20: 52
                        -1
                        It was not in vain that I asked about Rybakov - he was the one who was thinking about Stalin.
    2. Rostov Papa
      Rostov Papa 7 December 2020 19: 35
      +9
      In my opinion, this help saved many lives (albeit belatedly). hi
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 7 December 2020 19: 38
        0
        Quote: Rostov Dad
        In my opinion, this help saved many lives, Thank you. hi

        If you read the comments, then in the opinion of all "saved many lives", if anyone claims the opposite, then give an example. Did you save the country?
        1. Rostov Papa
          Rostov Papa 7 December 2020 19: 47
          +8
          No. The country was saved without allies. But the help was not unnecessary. A can of stew during the war .... (exaggerating)
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 7 December 2020 19: 50
            +2
            Quote: Rostov Dad
            No. The country was saved without allies. But the help was not unnecessary. A can of stew during the war .... (exaggerating)

            And who can argue that there was an extra example?
            1. Rostov Papa
              Rostov Papa 7 December 2020 19: 54
              +1
              Discussing the criticality of aid ...
            2. mat-vey
              mat-vey 7 December 2020 19: 57
              -2
              Quote: Rostov Dad
              Discussing the criticality of aid ...

              Well, thanks to the "Allied machines"?
            3. Rostov Papa
              Rostov Papa 7 December 2020 20: 31
              +1
              I did not discuss cars)))
            4. mat-vey
              mat-vey 7 December 2020 20: 34
              0
              But the thread is about Stalin's alleged speech in 1943 about "machines" that made it possible to win the war in 1945. So when you write something in response, at least read what happened before. Well, unless you are Uncle Petya.
  • Chervonny
    Chervonny 9 December 2020 20: 39
    +25
    They did not divide Europe in 1943. The opening of a second front and Lend-Lease was discussed at the Tehran Conference. The only thing that they discussed was not even discussed, and the United States confirmed that the Baltic States are the territory of the USSR.
    https://histrf.ru/lenta-vremeni/event/view/tieghieranskaia-konfierientsiia
  • Avior
    Avior 7 December 2020 22: 56
    +2
    He does not say that he won, he says that he did not lose
    In November 1943 it was already obvious
  • Pushkar
    Pushkar 8 December 2020 00: 30
    +3
    Quote: mat-vey
    How did Stalin know in 1943 that they had won the war?

    Did he say that we won the war? He said we would lose. And then, the road is a spoon for dinner. At the end of 1941 and the beginning of 1942, our industry was in the process of evacuating, Stalin personally distributed every tank, every plane, every gun. One should not juggle interest with a grin, but be glad that at that time at least something was supplied to the troops. Some types of components, like gunpowder and explosives, in 1941 and 1942 under Lend-Lease accounted for up to half of the consumed. Let's be objective. We would have won the war without help, but at what cost? “We never believed that our Lend-Lease assistance was the main factor in the Soviet victory over Hitler on the Eastern Front,” noted G. Hopkins, a close aide to American President F. Roosevelt. "It was achieved by the heroism and blood of the Russian army."
    1. niksfromru
      niksfromru 8 December 2020 15: 22
      +3
      Thinking about the price of victory and the contribution of Lend-Lease, one should not forget that Henry Ford was awarded the highest fascist order for foreigners not for his "beautiful eyes" either. Perhaps, without his contribution to the economy of the Reich, Lend-Lease would not have been required?
    2. mat-vey
      mat-vey 9 December 2020 16: 23
      0
      Quote: Pushkar
      Let's be objective. We would have won the war without help, but at what cost?

      "mat-vey (Matvey) December 7, 2020 20:34
      But a thread about Stalin's alleged speech in 1943 about "machines" that made it possible to win the war in 1945. So when you write something in response, at least read what happened before. Well, unless you are Uncle Petya. "
  • boris epstein
    boris epstein 7 December 2020 18: 44
    +12
    Not a single bomb fell on the territory of the United States, not a single shell hit. They did not know the loss of factories, factories, mines, mines, destroyed bridges and roads. Therefore, they could produce a lot of equipment. But also the Soviet industry from the middle of 1942 increased the rate of production. The evacuation of enterprises and their launch in the East of the USSR is a feat of the leadership of the country and the people. Yes, Lend-Lease has played a role. Without him, there would have been more casualties and the war would have lasted longer. But Victory would still be for the USSR.
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 7 December 2020 19: 05
      +7
      Boris, I'll add a little.
      The states, by and large, did not care who to sell weapons to. Before the war, American banks were happy to give loans to anyone, including Germany, here in the first place was profit, not politics. The winner is simply more profitable. It was the lack of confidence in the victory of the USSR that hindered aid. And they sent their troops to Europe only to share the fruits of victory, when much had already become clear. And they received these fruits not in direct proportion to their contribution. For them, any war is a way of earning money, even at the cost of the blood of their soldiers.
      Their main slogan is nothing personal, it's just business.
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 7 December 2020 20: 33
      +1
      You are not right:

      "On September 9, 1942, the Japanese seaplane Yokosuka E14Y, launched from the Japanese submarine I-25, dropped two incendiary bombs with a delayed fuse to start a forest fire. Due to the fire patrol and weather conditions not suitable for a fire, damage from the attack was This was the first time that an enemy aircraft bombed the continental United States, and the second time that the continental United States was bombed by foreign forces (the first was the bombing by Patrick Murphy of Naco, Arizona (eng.) Russian. by chance. "(c) request
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 8 December 2020 09: 35
        +1
        Quote: Sea Cat
        You are not right:
        "On September 9, 1942, the Japanese seaplane Yokosuka E14Y, launched from the Japanese submarine I-25, dropped two incendiary bombs

        Well, then the balloon bombs should be remembered, as many as five were killed. :) Only this, you understand, is like there were no bombs. We have more bombs fell on Moscow than on the entire United States.
      2. Niel-le-Calais
        Niel-le-Calais 9 December 2020 23: 35
        +1
        Quote: Sea Cat
        On September 9, 1942, the Japanese seaplane Yokosuka E14Y, launched from the Japanese submarine I-25,

        The historic bombing of the United States by the Kugisho E14Y1 (Glen) seaplane from the I-25 had some psychological effect only on the Japanese side - as a retaliation for the bombing of Tokyo.
        This submarine is interesting to us because it sank the Soviet submarine L-15. In response, L-16 (her partner) tried to destroy the Japanese with gun fire. Didn't get it. The boat also has two large tankers.
        September 9, 1942, it was the first bombing by a pair of 76 kg bombs
        Only 20 days later, after sunset (the Japanese decided to change tactics), a second raid was carried out - this time the area to the east of Port Orford was attacked
        Total 2 bombings. Pilot Fujita and Observer Okuda
        Fujito visited the fire-damaged town of Brookings in Oregon in 1962. He handed over a sword to the inhabitants, they collected donations for him and his wife for 3 thousand dollars. He has publicly apologized for the bombing.

        These raids may well be considered as a kind of training for the delivery of bacteriological weapons to the United States.
        In fairness, it should be noted that their boat was not the first Japanese submarine to strike the continental United States of America; In January 1942, the San Francisco area was fired upon by the Japanese submarine Ro-76 with its only 64-mm cannon.
        But this applies to the continental United States
        The islands are also part of the United States. And Japan is generally on the islands! And all these islands were bombed by hundreds of thousands of iron and explosives! From Pearl Harbor to Tokyo
  • digitalcn75
    digitalcn75 8 December 2020 00: 35
    +1
    Here is the answer.
  • niksfromru
    niksfromru 8 December 2020 15: 15
    +1
    At the same time, Stalin said "-And their Hurricanes are rubbish!"
  • Wolf
    Wolf 10 December 2020 17: 26
    +2
    So about Land Liz helped like in the picture. 43g. Stalin and Ruska's army have already broken the back of Hitler, and then there are loans to "help" the side of the "allies". When they saw that it was NOT POSSIBLE to break the USSR, they decided to earn dengue! wink


  • fiberboard
    fiberboard 7 December 2020 18: 07
    +5
    What kind of help did Germany receive? Please enlighten. I read that the USSR received more than 400000 American trucks, more than 60000 passenger cars, more than 40000 motorcycles, 25 percent of small-caliber anti-aircraft guns, tanks, airplanes, armored personnel carriers (which the USSR did not produce), aluminum, rental, explosives, gunpowder, steam locomotives in large quantity, aviation gasoline (according to various sources, it carries completely from a third to a half of air sorties), power plants, ships, means of communication (we did not have much of our own) ......... On this site was like a good article about Lend-Lease. Chronicle footage then look how much American technology there. Would we be able to produce 3000 aircraft and 2000 tanks per month without these supplies? Read Shakhurin, the site "I remember". And that's not counting the food.
    1. svp67
      svp67 7 December 2020 20: 41
      +7
      Quote: fiberboard
      What kind of help did Germany receive?

      She made full use of the industry of the captured European countries. France and Czechoslovakia worked very well for them
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 8 December 2020 03: 22
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: fiberboard
        What kind of help did Germany receive?

        She made full use of the industry of the captured European countries. France and Czechoslovakia worked very well for them

        That's right - harnessed the power of the occupied territories. They also used the Kharkov Tank Plant, although not entirely for their intended purpose. New tanks were not produced, but captured T-34s were repaired and brought to German standards. What does this have to do with Lend-Lease?
      2. Niel-le-Calais
        Niel-le-Calais 9 December 2020 23: 39
        0
        Quote: svp67
        She made full use of the industry of the captured European countries. France and Czechoslovakia worked very well for them

        I read that apart from the Czechs, the rest did not work well. Not as effective as the Germans and Czechs themselves.
        They were not very able to establish production for their needs, so the potential of the defeated was not fully exploited. The reason is that only cats will be born quickly. And the Germans were all in a hurry.
        And on the territory of the USSR it was generally difficult to produce something for yourself. And it is difficult for objective and subjective reasons.
        1. Avior
          Avior 10 December 2020 00: 33
          +1
          in the occupied territory of the USSR, in most cases, collective farms operated practically as before the war.
    2. Maks winter
      Maks winter 8 December 2020 00: 02
      +4
      “In particular, the media at one time made public information that George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush, while working at Union Banking, was, in fact, involved in financing the Nazis. However, in 1942 the cooperation was completely curtailed, and everyone hastened to forget about this story. "
      In 1983, the American writer Charles Hiam published the book "Trade with the Enemy", in which, on the basis of documents he found in the archives, accused a number of well-known US corporations of collaborating with the Third Reich after the outbreak of World War II. In addition to Ford, Hiam caught American energy, financial and telecommunications companies owned by the Rockefellers, Morgan and other influential US business dynasties in partnership with the Nazis through neutral countries.

      Cooperation with Hitlerite Germany was set on a grand scale among American industrialists and entrepreneurs. And these are not conspiracy theories from the yellow press, these things are openly published even in the West.
      1. Niel-le-Calais
        Niel-le-Calais 9 December 2020 23: 53
        0
        Quote: Maks Winter
        Trade with the enemy

        this concept is as much as war.
        in the years of the RYAV, RI and IYa also traded through neutrals.
        And the phenomenon is ubiquitous.
        About the USA. They entered the war with Germany in December 1941
        and the size of American contributions to Nazi Germany at the time of the events in Pearl Harbor was approximately $ 475 million. Standard Oil's investment was estimated at $ 120 million; General Motors - $ 35 million; ITT - $ 30 million; Ford - $ 17,5 million. A huge amount.
        And the law on trade with the enemy from 1917 is very strict. And since no one specifically warned in advance (to withdraw the investment in advance, sell, etc.), but everything came abruptly, this hit the US owners in Germany quite hard. We are at war here, get out yourself with your property. So they got out. laughing
        All this is private capital. Cross-border. The USA tried quite strictly to comply with the 1917 law, but the capitalists disguised this business quite well from a legal point of view.
        By the way, the US public and the World Bank were very outraged by the fact of such a business.
        But the capitalist system cannot live without it. It is impossible to block such a trade. There will always be workarounds.
    3. zenion
      zenion 9 December 2020 18: 20
      0
      fibreboard (vladimir). You have not forgotten that in France, Spain, etc., Ford factories were built that produced trucks and factories that produced aircraft engines. Also factories that made tungsten and carbide materials for Germany with the customer's specified parameters. That from Portugal they supplied rare earth metals to Germany not ore, but metals, which again came to Germany through the USA. Chemistry and many other materials such as dyes were sent from the USA to Germany. The entire West helped Hitler, as well as South America. It was already when Hitler was coming to an end, they joined the Anti-Hitler coalition - we are now good.
      1. Niel-le-Calais
        Niel-le-Calais 9 December 2020 23: 58
        0
        Quote: zenion
        You have not forgotten that in France, Spain, etc., Ford factories were built that produced trucks and factories that produced aircraft engines. Also factories that made tungsten and carbide materials for Germany with the customer's specified parameters. That from Portugal they supplied rare earth metals to Germany not ore, but metals, which again came to Germany through the USA

        Citizens of the United States and Great Britain would undoubtedly be outraged to learn that after the events in Pearl Harbor, the Chase Bank had entered into millions of transactions with the enemy in occupied Paris with the full knowledge of the management of this bank in Manhattan. And in France, trucks destined for the German occupation forces were assembled at Ford factories.
        Moreover, says Charles Highham, “Colonel Sostenes Ben, head of the multinational American telephone corporation ITT, in the midst of the war, went from New York to Madrid, and from there to Bern, to help the Nazis improve communications systems and guided aerial bombs, which barbarously destroyed London. Ball bearings, which were so lacking in American factories that produced military equipment, were sent to Latin American customers associated with the Nazis
        Portugal is a neutral country. She could sell to anyone and anything. And such countries, like gaskets, can always earn a lot from such supplies.
        The volume of assistance from American capital and society of the USSR and the World Bank is many times greater than the volume of military-technical cooperation of a part of American capital in business with Germany.
        1. Avior
          Avior 10 December 2020 00: 31
          0
          Paris and parts of France were occupied by the Germans, so it is not surprising that some American-owned factories were working for the Germans.
          As well as the German Coca-Cola plant, which had to invent a new drink, Fanta, as the cola concentrate stopped coming from the USA.
          And so on.
          Charles Hiham in his book did not provide any references to archival evidence, as someone wrote above. It makes no sense to take it seriously.
  • Avior
    Avior 7 December 2020 18: 08
    +5
    Can you compare in detail with the evidence the volumes of aid to the USSR and the Nazis before the landing in Normandy?
    1. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 10 December 2020 00: 03
      0
      Quote: Avior
      the amount of aid to the USSR and the Nazis

      well LL -11 billion USSR (another Canada 4.1 billion)
      And the total is more than 50 billion.
      And the volume of investments in Germany was 475 million of the largest corporations of Americans.
      It is not easy to count the trade - since there are neutrals.
      1. Avior
        Avior 10 December 2020 00: 23
        0
        all financial cooperation with Germany and German enterprises of US citizens and enterprises was terminated by law, since the official entry of the United States into the war. In fact, even earlier, the Germans drowned Standard Oil tankers even before the official state of war.
  • Avior
    Avior 7 December 2020 18: 30
    +6
    Until 1943, German industry worked in peacetime, and one shift was not straining, and only after Stalingrad it dawned on Hitler that something went wrong, and through the mouth of Goebbels announced total war, that is, the transfer of industry to wartime with accelerated growth of military production
  • RUSS
    RUSS 7 December 2020 18: 50
    -10%
    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    The USSR survived without Lend-Lease in the toughest period of 1941-1943,

    The Soviet Union officially began to receive lend-lease supplies from November 1941, they went from the United States through the Far East, the British introduced the lend-lease regime to the Soviet Union earlier than the Americans, supplies began in September 1941.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 7 December 2020 19: 22
      0
      Quote: RUSS
      the British introduced the lend-lease regime for the Soviet Union earlier

      And that there was a Lend-Lease program in Britain?
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 7 December 2020 19: 46
        +1
        Quote: mat-vey
        And that there was a Lend-Lease program in Britain?

        In addition to the American Lend-Lease, Great Britain and (since 1943) Canada also provided assistance to the USSR, the volume of this assistance is estimated at 1,7 billion dollars, respectively. and $ 200 million.
        The first allied convoy with cargo arrived in Arkhangelsk on 31.8.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX.
        Several routes were used to carry out supplies to the USSR. On the northern route from Great Britain and Iceland to Arkhangelsk, Murmansk, Molotovsk (Severodvinsk), almost 4 million cargo was delivered, which amounted to 27,7% of the total amount of deliveries.
        More than a third of all explosives used in the Soviet Union during the war years came from Great Britain, the United States and Canada. The supply of explosives from the USA and Great Britain reached 53% of the total volume of Soviet production. More than 55% of all aluminum used in the industry came from the USA and the countries of the British Empire to the USSR. Copper supplies accounted for about 82,5% of Soviet production.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 7 December 2020 19: 49
          +3
          Quote: RUSS
          In addition to the American Lend-Lease, Great Britain also provided assistance to the USSR.

          "By the agreement of August 16, 1941, the loan amount was set at 10 million pounds sterling (approximately 40 million dollars) at 3% per annum. The Soviet Government undertook to pay 40% of supplies in foreign currency and gold (including proceeds from counter supplies from USSR to Great Britain), and the remaining 60% - through a loan.
          In June 1942 the loan amount was increased by 25 million pounds, and in February 1944 by another 25 million pounds. By the end of the war in Europe, the total loan amount was 60 million pounds. "
          Credit is for money. So was the Lend-Lease program in England?
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 7 December 2020 20: 14
            -1
            Quote: mat-vey
            So was the Lend-Lease program in England?

            Initially, the countries of the British Empire and China were involved in the Lend-Lease program. Since November 1941, the USSR joined the program, and by the end of the war, almost all of the US allies had become its participants. In 1942, the United States signed another agreement with Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand and Free France, the so-called. "Reverse" Lend-Lease. According to him, the allies were already providing the US Army with goods, services and transport services, and their military bases. As a reverse Lend-Lease, we sent raw materials to the USA and Great Britain: timber, coal or ore.
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 7 December 2020 20: 14
              -2
              Quote: RUSS
              Quote: mat-vey
              So was the Lend-Lease program in England?

              Initially, the countries of the British Empire and China were involved in the Lend-Lease program. Since November 1941, the USSR joined the program, and by the end of the war, almost all of the US allies had become its participants. In 1942, the United States signed another agreement with Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand and Free France, the so-called. "Reverse" Lend-Lease. According to him, the allies were already providing the US Army with goods, services and transport services, and their military bases. As a reverse Lend-Lease, we sent raw materials to the USA and Great Britain: timber, coal or ore.

              Everything is clear with you.
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 8 December 2020 03: 23
        +2
        Quote: mat-vey
        And that there was a Lend-Lease program in Britain?

        Of course she was. The article also says that 70% of Lend-Lease supplies from America fell on Britain.
    2. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 10 December 2020 00: 13
      +1
      Quote: RUSS
      The British introduced the Lend-Lease regime to the Soviet Union earlier than the Americans, deliveries began in September 1941.

      in the Battle of Moscow, according to the British, about 90 British tanks were launched.
      Matilda and Valentines.
      In total, 182 British tanks were taken in the battle and 77 were lost.
      For the entire 1941, the USSR received 446 tanks from the Allies and 39% were near Moscow.
      In parts of 30-40% of the composition.
      And already in December the first 31 US Stuarts arrived in the USSR.
      Sending PQ-6. The convoys were very dangerous.
  • svp67
    svp67 7 December 2020 20: 31
    +8
    [/ Center]
    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    Possibly worse

    100% worse, we would have had it harder, without American explosives, aluminum, food, ships and especially off-road vehicles and amphibians, radio stations, bombers, fuel, gasoline additives. It would cost us more blood and a longer continuation of the war
    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    The USSR survived without Lend-Lease in the toughest period of 1941-1943, and the Battle of Moscow and the Battle of Stalingrad took place without the main supplies under the Lend-Lease, the main supplies began at the end of 43.


    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 7 December 2020 21: 06
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      100% worse, we would have had it harder

      The most interesting thing is that no one argues with this ... But the guys still want to prove something .. The question is why?
  • Tavrik
    Tavrik 8 December 2020 14: 21
    -2
    The USSR survived without a Lend-Lease in the toughest period of 1941-1943

    Yah? It seems like by the middle of 42, 17 convoys had already passed along the Northern Route alone?
    And if we had everything of our own and in excess - why did they demand supplies until the end of the war?
    It's good after saying "didn't matter." And in 41-45, Stalin and the leadership of the USSR had a slightly different opinion.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 7 December 2020 17: 32
    +17
    Quote: Sea Cat
    It would be worse without him than with him.

    But it is also necessary to note that the deliveries began after the defeat of German troops near Moscow (after December 28, 1941).
    Negotiations on the First Delivery Protocol began on December 07.12.1941, 28, but were delayed until December XNUMX due to the entry of the United States into the war with Japan.

    In addition, let's see how much they bet to whom:

    But in general, the topic has long been disclosed, only where it is raised, one should not hope that Russia will say:
    "If not for Lend-Lease ..." "Lend-Lease is our everything ..."
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 7 December 2020 18: 31
      +6
      Quote: ROSS 42
      But in general, the topic has long been disclosed, only where it is raised, one should not hope that Russia will say:
      "If not for Lend-Lease ..." "Lend-Lease is our everything ..."

      As you know, "the devil is in the details."
      The resulting 295,6 thousand tons of explosives accounted for 53% of all produced at the enterprises of the USSR. Such a ratio for copper - 76%, aluminum - 106%, tin - 223%, cobalt - 138%, wool - 102%, sugar - 66%, and canned meat - 480% looks even more impressive.
      In total, the USSR received 447 vehicles under Lend-Lease.
      During the war, Soviet industry produced 265 cars. Thus, the number of vehicles received from the allies was more than 000 times higher than its own production. In addition, these were real army vehicles, adapted for operation in front-line conditions, while the domestic industry supplied the army with ordinary national economic vehicles.
      The USSR received 1900 steam locomotives and 66 diesel-electric locomotives (these figures are especially clear against the background of its own production in 1942-1945 in 92 locomotives), as well as 11 cars (own production - 075 cars).
      1. stalki
        stalki 7 December 2020 19: 21
        +1
        Yeah, yeah. Of course the machines themselves fought? And they repaired themselves and made fuel for themselves, full automatic. And besides, the most "new" just developed. And our people were picking their noses at that time. In general, you need to look from different angles, read a similar analysis https://topwar.ru/1706-lend-liz-mify-i-realnost.html for example.
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 7 December 2020 19: 28
          +3
          Quote: stalki
          Yeah, yeah. Of course the machines themselves fought? And they repaired themselves and made fuel for themselves, full automatic. And besides, the most "new" just developed. And our people were picking their noses at that time. In general, you need to look from different angles, read a similar analysis https://topwar.ru/1706-lend-liz-mify-i-realnost.html for example.

          Of course, different.
          https://topwar.ru/95477-znachenie-lend-liza-dlya-sssr.html
          hi
          1. stalki
            stalki 7 December 2020 21: 24
            -2
            Read and not only this hi and not only here. We must not forget that the British, for example, received more under Lend-Lease than we did. And they took part, well, you yourself understood. Another fact, in terms of production capacity, we were in the 40th place in the 3rd place in the world. We have perked up the tanks very well. Let not the most, but massively and quickly. And yet not all the equipment reached the whole, or did not reach at all. Also, do not forget that the blitzkrieg drowned in Moscow, so the United States went to such expenses, you know, they don’t like to invest in losing lotteries laughing purely Uncle Sam counted and realized that he would lose more if he thought for a long time. We cannot ignore the merits of Joseph Vissarionovich, it is to him that we owe 22-23% of the total volume of supplies around the world, his talent as a politician is undeniable. So there are a lot of nuances and shades in this issue, and only a person who bury himself headlong into these factual investigations will be able to fully understand all the facets of what is being discussed. And certainly not to have, after that, the right to belittle the contribution of the USSR to the victory over Germany.
            1. Avior
              Avior 7 December 2020 23: 10
              +2
              Only what was delivered was taken into account
            2. fa2998
              fa2998 8 December 2020 18: 38
              -2
              Quote: stalki
              We must not forget that the British, for example, received more under Lend-Lease than we did.

              Sorry, but Great Britain has been at war with Germany since 1939, and then having lost the French itself. And we (the USSR) at that time were friends with Germany and maintained active trade relations. Echelons thundered at the crossings.
              And in 1941, diplomats settled things first, then technical delegations sailed to the United States, to choose "goods." WHAT WOULD JUNE 1939 DOWNLOAD HELP.
      2. svp67
        svp67 7 December 2020 20: 45
        +4
        Quote: A. Privalov
        As you know, "the devil is in the details."

        That's right.
        Quote: A. Privalov
        Such a ratio for copper - 76%, aluminum - 106%, tin - 223%, cobalt - 138%, wool - 102% looks even more impressive.

        And here the question is, how much of this was spent immediately, and how much went into stock? And this is where the interesting begins. Much of the above went to the RESERVES, which were used after the war. The Americans themselves were surprised that they were supplying the same aluminum, and the USSR did not even take it out of the port of unloading, but it was brought in large ingots, and moreover, this aluminum was laid on the ground as a pavement and roadway for cars.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 7 December 2020 21: 04
          0
          Yes, there are "parts" - the rails were removed from the BAM, the locomotives were reactivated from the reserve. More than a quarter of the cars were assembled at their factories, although they could make their own - but these were better.
          1. svp67
            svp67 7 December 2020 21: 22
            0
            Quote: mat-vey
            although they could make their own

            At first, instead of them, tanks began to be made, these are the T-60 and T-70, and then they also lost a lot of power, for example, during a series of air raids from June 4 to 22, 1943, the GAZ power was destroyed
        2. Avior
          Avior 10 December 2020 02: 20
          0
          And here the question is, how much of this was spent immediately, and how much went into stock? And this is where the interesting begins. Much of the above went to the RESERVES, which were used after the war. The Americans themselves were surprised that they were supplying the same aluminum, and the USSR did not even take it out of the port of unloading, but it was brought in large ingots, and moreover, this aluminum was laid on the ground as a pavement and roadway for cars.

          Can you tell me in which source you can read about this? is there a link?
          this is very strange, because the shortage of aluminum has been very acute since the beginning of the war.
          So sharp that Stalin, in a letter to Churchill of September 3, 1941, describing the situation at the front, specifically stipulated the urgent supply of aluminum, including to the USSR, with the fact that without it the USSR would either lose the war or be completely incapacitated for a long time.
          I think that there is only one way out of this situation: to create already this year a second front somewhere in the Balkans or in France, which could delay 30-40 German divisions from the eastern front, and at the same time provide the Soviet Union with 30 thousand tons of aluminum to early October d. and monthly minimum assistance in the amount of 400 aircraft and 500 tanks (small or medium).

          Without these two types of assistance, the Soviet Union will either be defeated or weakened to the point that it loses for a long time the ability to provide assistance to its allies by its active actions on the front of the fight against Hitlerism.

          The problem of aluminum is also explained by the fact that its production requires a large amount of electricity, and it was nowhere to quickly get it in the evacuation areas.
      3. Vladimir Mitin_2
        Vladimir Mitin_2 7 December 2020 20: 45
        +1
        At the beginning of the 50s in Khabarovsk, my father's entire regiment was armed with American cars and amphibians, we 4-year-old boys knew all the brands of American cars by heart, and at the age of 5 I drove a Jeep on my own while my father was having dinner
      4. alexa100974
        alexa100974 9 December 2020 15: 45
        0
        When they talk about "the devil in the little things," the propagandists forget about these little things.
        I love about steam locomotives. Almost all the USSR received in 1944-1945.
        They say that the USSR built 92 locomotives and received 1900, BUT they do not say that at the beginning of the war there were more than 25000 of them in the USSR.
        It's even funnier about the cars. At the beginning of the war there were more than 600 of them. And then they delivered as many as 000 wagons. Mustache! Guard! We were saved.
        With cars for propagandists, the situation is a little better. But not much. Considering the number of cars in the USSR before the war, as well as the fact that 80% of American cars were delivered in 1943-1945.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 9 December 2020 16: 52
      0
      Quote: ROSS 42
      But it is also necessary to note that the deliveries began after the defeat of German troops near Moscow (after December 28, 1941).

      Earlier:

      A British-made Soviet tank "Valentine II" in ambush during the Battle of Moscow. The photo was published in the newspaper "Krasnaya Zvezda" # 275 of November 22, 1941.
      © waralbum
      There is also confirmation from the German side:

      © 15.11.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX German Pz.II tanks drive past the Soviet Valentine’s Mk.III tank that was lined up near the Istra River.
    3. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 10 December 2020 00: 20
      0
      Quote: ROSS 42
      But also notice that deliveries began after the defeat of German troops near Moscow

      there was also a Soviet-British loan agreement of August 16, 1941.
      And above I wrote that already 90 British tanks were near Moscow at the beginning of the battle and 180 British tanks took part.
      their role is not decisive, but important when each tank was counted.
      LL has been to the USSR since November 7, but since September 6, at Stalin's request, Churchill sends tanks. After 2 months of nervous correspondence.
  • credo
    credo 7 December 2020 17: 38
    +2
    Quote: Sea Cat
    What would have happened if there were no Lend-Lease ...

    It would be worse without him than with him.

    Sometimes it seems that some Russian historians are working off someone else's bread, constantly reminding the citizens of Russia about Lend-Lease.
    As far as I understand, neither from the United States, nor from the United Kingdom, France, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Czech Republic and Slovakia, as well as the rest of Europe, including Ukraine, the Baltic States and others, there is not even any hint at the official level to celebrate the merits The Red Army and its soldiers in the liberation of the world from fascism.
    So it makes sense to completely close this topic for public discussion, leaving it for debate in academia.
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 7 December 2020 17: 50
      +7
      Exactly. In this case, these Lend-Lease fans must be told that Czechoslovakia conquered the whole of Europe. Did they produce a quarter of the weapons of the Reich? They. This is definitely more Lend-Lease. Why are they silent?
      1. Niel-le-Calais
        Niel-le-Calais 10 December 2020 00: 24
        0
        Quote: Cowbra
        Did they produce a quarter of the weapons of the Reich? They. This is definitely more Lend-Lease. Why are they silent?

        it makes no sense to compare the capabilities of the American and British industries with Czech factories. In addition, they worked on light equipment.
        And the Americans are from light to ships. Similarly, the British.
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 7 December 2020 18: 01
      +7
      Does it mean dropping to their level? You have a strange notion of meaning. Maybe forget about who destroyed the Japanese fleet in that war?
      1. credo
        credo 7 December 2020 18: 22
        -1
        Quote: Sea Cat
        Does it mean dropping to their level? You have a strange notion of meaning. Maybe forget about who destroyed the Japanese fleet in that war?

        And what does it have to do with falling to their level?
        Have you heard anything from your partners in the then coalition or from the current world community about the merits of the Red Army in the victory over the Kwantung Army of Japan in 1945 or the surrender of Japan precisely after the military successes of the USSR over it?
        It is unlikely, because this topic in the Western and Japanese media is insignificant and practically closed, but even the domestic media try to remind us every year about the poor Japanese who suffered or died under American carpet bombing or the atomic bombing of the United States.
        Too selective approach to the military events of World War II distorts the history of events in which, in relation to the article, the United States successfully traded with Nazi Germany, while simultaneously supplying Lend-Lease to its opponents, in fact throwing wood into the fire from both sides.
        Explain this meaning to an inexperienced listener, without going over to platitudes, such as - Business and no politics.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 7 December 2020 18: 24
          +4
          And me on these, as you put it, "partners" - from a high bell tower and a volley. I'm talking about the history of the Great War, and not about tolerant morons who don't even remember their name. What to take from them, from pedermots.
        2. Arpad
          Arpad 7 December 2020 19: 44
          0
          Quote: credo
          Too selective approach to the military events of World War II distorts the history of events in which, in relation to the article, USA successfully traded with fascist Germanywhile delivering Lend-Lease to its opponents

          can I link to the documents?
    3. Avior
      Avior 7 December 2020 18: 09
      +2
      ... there is not even any hint at the official level to celebrate the merits of the Red Army and its soldiers in liberating the world from fascism.

      And where did you get that?
      1. credo
        credo 7 December 2020 18: 25
        +2
        Quote: Avior
        ... there is not even any hint at the official level to celebrate the merits of the Red Army and its soldiers in liberating the world from fascism.

        And where did you get that?

        From the facts of recent years and decades.
        1. Avior
          Avior 7 December 2020 18: 41
          +2
          That is, over the past decades, you have not known a single case when the Allied officials would have noted the contribution of the Red Army to the Victory?
          1. credo
            credo 7 December 2020 18: 45
            +2
            Quote: Avior
            That is, over the past decades, you have not known a single case when the Allied officials would have noted the contribution of the Red Army to the Victory?

            I know, but only in Russia, when they came to us by invitation. In their own countries, these events are usually carried out either by local public organizations or local enthusiasts and no more.
            1. Avior
              Avior 7 December 2020 19: 15
              +2
              That is, the officials still talked about it.
              Trump did not come this year, but there was a joint statement with Putin on the day of the meeting on the Elbe.
              1. kalibr
                kalibr 8 December 2020 08: 00
                -1
                What are you Sergey! He doesn't know English, he never read Ospreyev's books, the Washington Post is an empty phrase for him, like the Pravda newspaper of June 11, 1944.
    4. ximkim
      ximkim 7 December 2020 19: 21
      -2
      In general, we must not bring the situation to Lend-Lease. That's all. Its own is its own.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 7 December 2020 19: 42
        +2
        Quote: ximkim
        In general, we must not bring the situation to Lend-Lease. That's all. Its own is its own.

        Well, maybe if there hadn't been any continuous Western sanctions before the war, then maybe “the situation would not have reached.” There would have been more of our own.
        1. ximkim
          ximkim 7 December 2020 19: 49
          0
          Quote: mat-vey
          Quote: ximkim
          In general, we must not bring the situation to Lend-Lease. That's all. Its own is its own.

          Well, maybe if there hadn't been any continuous Western sanctions before the war, then maybe “the situation would not have reached.” There would have been more of our own.

          The war was on. The enemy approached the threshold. The point here is not in sanctions, but in the fact that the strike was missed, and then followed: heavy losses in the first year of the war, evacuation of people and enterprises, a lot of things were abandoned. Time was lost and Lend Lease and other help from friendly countries need to inflame losses in technology and food.
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 7 December 2020 19: 55
            0
            Quote: ximkim
            Quote: mat-vey
            Quote: ximkim
            In general, we must not bring the situation to Lend-Lease. That's all. Its own is its own.

            Well, maybe if there hadn't been any continuous Western sanctions before the war, then maybe “the situation would not have reached.” There would have been more of our own.

            The war was on. The enemy approached the threshold. The point here is not in sanctions, but in the fact that the strike was missed, and then followed: heavy losses in the first year of the war, evacuation of people and enterprises, a lot of things were abandoned. Time was lost and Lend Lease and other help from friendly countries need to inflame losses in technology and food.

            Before the war there was, as you know, the pre-war time. At that time there was industrialization, and the restructuring of agriculture, and a lot of things that are needed in order to survive and prepare for war. And sanctions did not contribute to this, to put it mildly. So the country could be it is much better prepared and has much larger strategic reserves.
        2. Avior
          Avior 7 December 2020 23: 13
          +1
          Probably, there was no need to declare a world revolution, so it would be easier with sanctions
          However, the sanctions did not interfere with the construction of the Dnieper hydroelectric power station
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 9 December 2020 16: 25
            0
            Quote: Avior
            Probably there was no need to declare a world revolution

            And when did Stalin proclaim the "world revolution"?
            Socialism in a single country is a theory about the possibility of building socialism in the USSR, which became the official doctrine of the state after the XIV Congress of the CPSU (b) in 1925 and the defeat of the opposition in the internal party struggle of 1923-1927.
            1. Avior
              Avior 9 December 2020 16: 41
              +1
              And when did the USSR officially abandon the idea of ​​the forcible establishment of Soviet power in other countries?
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 9 December 2020 16: 42
                0
                Quote: mat-vey
                Socialism in a single country is a theory about the possibility of building socialism in the USSR, which became the official doctrine of the state after the XIV Congress of the CPSU (b) in 1925 and the defeat of the opposition in the internal party struggle of 1923-1927.

                Is this your first time reading?
                1. Avior
                  Avior 10 December 2020 01: 14
                  +1
                  did you understand that you copied and pasted?
                  It was about the fact that socialism could be built not only on the entire planet at once, as it was believed before, but also in a single USSR.
                  But there is not a word about the fact that the USSR abandoned revolutions and, in general, a violent change of power in other countries - that very world revolution. And, as we know, he did not refuse.
                  What's in 1920

                  What's in 1935

                  What interesting borders the USSR has in this 1935 poster ...
                  1. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 10 December 2020 15: 08
                    0
                    Quote: Avior
                    It was about the fact that socialism could be built not only on the entire planet at once, as it was believed before, but also in a single USSR.

                    It was about the fact that the USSR is building socialism in itself and by this shows an example to the workers of other countries.
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 10 December 2020 15: 21
                      0
                      An example of a revolution in your own country? Everyone understood that
                    2. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 10 December 2020 15: 25
                      0
                      .
                      Quote: Avior
                      An example of a revolution in your own country?

                      An example of the consequences of the revolution, although not everyone seems to understand this until now.
                    3. Avior
                      Avior 10 December 2020 15: 47
                      0
                      The very fact of the revolution is enough
                    4. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 10 December 2020 15: 52
                      0
                      Quote: Avior
                      The very fact of the revolution is enough

                      What is enough for?
                    5. Avior
                      Avior 10 December 2020 17: 15
                      -1
                      For understanding
                    6. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 12 December 2020 06: 22
                      -1
                      Quote: Avior
                      For understanding

                      To understand what?
                    7. Avior
                      Avior 12 December 2020 07: 32
                      +1
                      The one from which the discussion began is essno
                      Have you forgotten what I mean?
                    8. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 12 December 2020 07: 44
                      0
                      Quote: Avior
                      The one from which the discussion began is essno
                      Have you forgotten what I mean?

                      And where does the lend-lease? If only, what if they did not try to strangle the USSR so that they brought up such a monster and then had to help with lend-lease in order to survive themselves?
                    9. Avior
                      Avior 12 December 2020 08: 07
                      +1
                      ... Probably, there was no need to declare a world revolution, so it would be easier with sanctions
                      However, the sanctions did not interfere with the construction of the Dnieper hydroelectric power station

                      hi
                    10. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 12 December 2020 08: 08
                      0
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      And when did Stalin proclaim the "world revolution"?
                      Socialism in a single country is a theory about the possibility of building socialism in the USSR, which became the official doctrine of the state after the XIV Congress of the CPSU (b) in 1925 and the defeat of the opposition in the internal party struggle of 1923-1927.
                    11. Avior
                      Avior 12 December 2020 08: 34
                      +1
                      And Stalin is another state, not the USSR?
                      The statement about the possibility of building socialism in the USSR does not remove the previous views on the violent change of power.
                      Read the discussion again, if you forgot, otherwise it makes no sense to copy-paste the same thing.
                      Up to this place
                      ... The very fact of the revolution is enough

                      hi
                    12. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 12 December 2020 08: 43
                      0
                      Quote: Avior
                      And Stalin is another state, not the USSR?

                      Well, if the head of the organization that determines the political and economic life of the country says that the country is building socialism only for itself and will agitate others by its example (by example, because until the proletariat itself matures there is no reason to make a "revolution"), then what about the country? Well, as an example - how did the "proclaiming world revolution" end
  • antivirus
    antivirus 7 December 2020 18: 10
    -4
    first of all, it is a demonstration of the best examples of military and dual-use to our people, industry, designers ... and government.
    the psychology of "moyahataskrayu" is not broken in our days.
    and this is not even isolationism, but a denial of interdependence, additions, including for learning, followed by domination. for which the saktsii are introduced.
  • st2st
    st2st 7 December 2020 18: 15
    +5
    As V. Pikul wrote at one time, "Undoubtedly, we would have coped without the help of Lend-Lease, but it would have been sheer stupidity to refuse it"
    1. Tavrik
      Tavrik 8 December 2020 14: 34
      -2
      Where does Pikul get such confidence? It is necessary to consider: 1. Pikul did not have access to all the information on Lend-Lease. 2. Pikul could not in those conditions of the "cold war" write the whole truth about Lend-Lease, even if he knew everything. 3. Pikul is a product of his era, confident that propaganda has hammered into his head.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 9 December 2020 19: 09
      0
      Quote: st2st
      As V. Pikul wrote at one time, "Undoubtedly, we would have coped without the help of Lend-Lease, but it would have been sheer stupidity to refuse it"

      The question is - at what cost they would have coped with and at what lines would have ended the war.
      In real life, the mob potential of the USSR was exhausted already in 1944. In 1945, the replenishment was not enough to bring the divisions in the direction of the main attack even to half of the state. So the USSR will not be able to withstand greater losses than in real life.
      Plus, Lend-Lease not only closed our bottlenecks, but also made it possible to free up working hands (estimated at about 100 people) for other matters. There will be no Lend-Lease - you will have to look for these workers and factories somewhere. As well as peasants - to replenish food supplies.
      Plus - raw materials and supplies. There is no Lend-Lease - and the USSR is left with half of aluminum (aircraft), copper (shells), 60% of gunpowder and practically no high octane.
      The saddest thing is that it is impossible to buy and deliver what is missing for the USSR. On the northern route, we have nothing to cover for our ships. On the south - there are no roads (in real life, the highway through Iran was punched by the United States for two years). In the Far East, the available Soviet tonnage can provide only a third of the real traffic along this route.
      1. Niel-le-Calais
        Niel-le-Calais 10 December 2020 00: 29
        0
        Quote: Alexey RA
        The saddest thing is that it is impossible to buy and deliver what is missing for the USSR

        that is, the inability to advance, the transition to positioning and the dragging out of the war ...
        Something resembles a PV.
        It will cost us (if in alternative) millions of victims on the battlefield and in the rear from hunger.
        A clear result (Berlin in a few years) will be very difficult and long to achieve.
  • t-34marina
    t-34marina 7 December 2020 20: 03
    0
    That's right!
  • Alexander Sosnitsky
    Alexander Sosnitsky 7 December 2020 17: 06
    -9
    How can you evaluate lend-lease if the war itself was initiated from overseas?
    1. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 7 December 2020 17: 16
      +6
      Moreover, the toilet in Zadrishchensk has not yet been cleaned only because of the intrigues of the damned Anglo-Saxons!
      1. Alexander Sosnitsky
        Alexander Sosnitsky 7 December 2020 17: 18
        -13%
        These are your problems, and you, from all your typical obse ... are the 5th column. my relatives died there. To get to you
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      3. Reviews
        Reviews 7 December 2020 17: 33
        +1
        Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
        Moreover, the toilet in Zadrishchensk has not yet been cleaned only because of the intrigues of the damned Anglo-Saxons!

        Well, clean up your toilet, don't live in shit.
      4. antivirus
        antivirus 7 December 2020 18: 11
        -1
        Is there a toilet? did you use it? ..................................... or did you go to the bushes?
  • Cartalon
    Cartalon 7 December 2020 17: 36
    -3
    It is impossible to calculate what would have happened without Lend-Lease, how to count trucks and tons of gunpowder in losses and kilometers traveled, you can offer something, for my taste, at best, the Red Army would reach the Vistula-Carpathian line, but that's just IMHO and that's it ...
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 7 December 2020 17: 46
      -3
      Quote: Cartalon
      It is impossible to calculate what would have happened without Lend-Lease, how to count trucks and tons of gunpowder in losses and kilometers traveled, you can offer something, for my taste, at best, the Red Army would reach the Vistula-Carpathian line, but that's just IMHO and that's it ...

      during Lend-Lease, the allies, primarily the United States of America, provided:

      53% of all the needs of the USSR for explosives, including gunpowder,

      76% of copper requirements,

      106% (relative to domestic production, that is, more than all Soviet production) - in aluminum,

      223% - in tin,

      138% - in cobalt,

      23% of domestic production - in aviation gasoline,

      62% - in car tires,

      66% - sugar needs,

      480% - canned meat (2 billion 77 million cans of canned meat were supplied),

      107% - animal fats, almost all sulfonamide and penicillin, which saved the lives of thousands and thousands of our soldiers.

      From November 1941 to September 1945, the USSR received:

      22 aircraft,

      12 tanks

      51 jeeps and all-terrain vehicles,

      375 trucks,

      345 735 tons of explosives,

      1981 locomotive,

      2 million 670 thousand tons of petroleum products,

      106 million 893 thousand tons of cotton,

      4 million 478 thousand tons of food,

      331 liters of alcohol,

      15 million 417 thousand pairs of army boots.
      1. Cartalon
        Cartalon 7 December 2020 17: 51
        0
        Thanks for the long known information
        1. Niel-le-Calais
          Niel-le-Calais 10 December 2020 00: 33
          0
          Quote: Cartalon
          Thanks for the long known information

          no one can translate these numbers of these material things into blood, the lives of our people for the significance of preserving these lives for the country.
          But these are all those people who gave descendants. And maybe someone who talks about the insignificance of LL for Victory is the descendant whose ancestor survived thanks to her ...
          It's not that we on our knees should thank someone, but help should be respected. She saved a lot in the country.
          1. Cartalon
            Cartalon 10 December 2020 06: 25
            0
            The question in the article is so that it would be if Land Lisa was not, the answer and God knows not to count.
            And thanks, respect, etc., another question.
            Lend Lease was because it was beneficial to the United States without it, the war would have cost them more.
            1. Arpad
              Arpad 10 December 2020 06: 38
              -1
              Quote: Cartalon
              Lend Lease was because it was beneficial to the United States without it, the war would have cost them more.

              in general, the states could not enter the war at all.
              They declared war on Hitler, not the other way around.
              And to many (based on comments) - I would remind the word - gratitude.
              To say thank you is not ashamed and will not lose you for this, and the Americans have every right to at least a minimal thank you.
              1. Cartalon
                Cartalon 10 December 2020 07: 11
                0
                Learn the math part, and then write on the forums
      2. credo
        credo 7 December 2020 17: 59
        -3
        Quote: RUSS
        during Lend-Lease, the allies, primarily the United States of America, provided:


        Above, someone under the name Ros42, also gave data on US supplies to Europe through Lend-Lease.
        You should cooperate with this author and bring a debit with a credit so that his data on
        the amount of aid was correlated with your data on the amount of aid in value terms.
      3. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 7 December 2020 18: 19
        0
        Quote: RUSS

        15 million 417 thousand pairs of army boots.

        More than half of the active army was wearing them.
        But we, for some reason, see completely one "kirzachi". What is it like?
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 7 December 2020 18: 24
          +1
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          More than half of the active army was wearing them.

          So they are not eternal, especially in war - more than half, but half a year.
        2. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 7 December 2020 18: 25
          0
          Because a soldier wears out his boots in a season easily.
        3. RUSS
          RUSS 7 December 2020 18: 29
          -5
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          But we, for some reason, see completely one "kirzachi". What is it like?

          As well as with the Thomson assault rifle, there was a submachine gun, but photos and chronicles with it were at least not shown in Soviet films, just as the American Shermans tanks on the Kursk Bulge were not shown.
        4. Cartalon
          Cartalon 7 December 2020 18: 47
          +2
          Because the production of kirzach for 100 million pairs, there was an article on the website about shoes in B0 and PMV
        5. Avior
          Avior 7 December 2020 23: 24
          +1
          Leather was also supplied in large quantities, which is about 50 thousand tons
          This is in addition to 15 million pairs of boots and shoes.
          There is a mention that among the supplies there were also Russian-style boots, I don't know what they had in mind, Perhaps officer
        6. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 10 December 2020 10: 33
          0
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          But we, for some reason, see completely one "kirzachi". What is it like?

          Probably because most of the photos are ceremonial or staged. And for them they tried to dress better.
          In general, there are a lot of photos with fighters in boots with windings in WWII:
      4. Avior
        Avior 7 December 2020 18: 19
        +10
        The main task of Lend Lease is to help the Soviet industry in eliminating bottlenecks, all that at the moment slowed down our production
        And it could be both complex machine tools and special small elements of weapons - gunpowder for Katyusha shells or brake bands made of special steel for T-34, aluminum and so on, which could not take up a large volume of the total cost of our products, but without which the release production was impossible.
        The total cost of Lease Land is about $ 11 billion, in those prices it is about 11 thousand tons of gold, half of the world's gold reserves at the beginning of the war.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 7 December 2020 19: 02
          -2
          Quote: Avior

          The total cost of Lease Land is about $ 11 billion, in those prices it is about 11 thousand tons of gold, half of the world's gold reserves at the beginning of the war.

          Those. 1 kg. gold was worth $ 1000?
          1. Avior
            Avior 7 December 2020 19: 10
            +3
            Yes, at those prices a troy ounce is about $ 30
        2. kalibr
          kalibr 8 December 2020 08: 09
          +1
          Diamonds! Technical diamonds. We didn't produce them at all. And without them it is impossible.
      5. tatra
        tatra 7 December 2020 18: 39
        0
        Give the official sources from the USSR statistics of these data.
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 8 December 2020 08: 13
          +1
          Irina! They were brought in many times. The most readily available is the official document "Communication of the Soviet Government on Lend-Lease Deliveries from Great Britain, Canada and the USA" dated June 11, 1944. It also indicated so much. thousand tons at this moment floats by sea. Even this is more than enough when compared with our production data. But deliveries continued in the 45th ...
      6. Left shot
        Left shot 8 December 2020 02: 39
        -2
        It has already been explained above that in many ways these were not needs, but the accumulation of reserves that were used after the war.
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 7 December 2020 17: 45
    +1
    What would have happened if the bankers in Europe and the United States had not sponsored Hitler?
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 7 December 2020 18: 15
      -5
      the toilet in Zadrishchensk would be clean. see "fuerdo"
    2. Left shot
      Left shot 8 December 2020 02: 40
      -1
      Yes, American companies and the whole war with the 3rd Reich traded.
    3. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 10 December 2020 00: 35
      +1
      Quote: Tank jacket
      What would have happened if bankers in Europe and the United States had not sponsored Hitler

      the investment of 475 million is incomparable with the cost of aid to the allies of 50 billion from the United States alone.
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 10 December 2020 08: 12
        0
        By August 1924, the old German mark was replaced with a new one, the financial situation in Germany stabilized, and, as researcher G. D. Preart wrote, the Weimar Republic was prepared for “the most picturesque economic aid in history, followed by the most bitter harvest in world history. "-" American blood poured into the financial veins of Germany in an irrepressible stream. "

        The consequences of this were not slow to discover.

        Firstly, due to the fact that the annual payments of reparations went to cover the amount of debts paid by the Allies, the so-called "absurd Weimar circle" has developed. Gold, which Germany paid in the form of military reparations, was sold, pledged and disappeared in the United States, from where it was returned in the form of "help" to Germany, which gave it to England and France, and they, in turn, paid them US military debt. The latter, having overlaid it with interest, again sent it to Germany. As a result, everyone in Germany lived on credit, and it was clear that if Wall Street retracted its loans, the country would go bankrupt.

        Secondly, although formally loans were issued to ensure payments, it was actually about restoring the country's military-industrial potential. The fact is that the Germans paid for loans with shares of enterprises, so that American capital began to actively integrate into the German economy. The total amount of foreign investment in German industry for 1924−1929 amounted to almost 63 billion gold marks (30 billion accounted for loans), and reparations - 10 billion marks. 70% of financial income was provided by US bankers, most of them by J.P. Morgan banks. As a result, already in 1929, German industry came out on the second place in the world, but to a large extent it was in the hands of leading American financial and industrial groups.

        Thus, I.G. Farbenindustri, this main supplier of the German military machine, which funded Hitler’s election campaign for 45% in 1930, was controlled by Rockefeller’s Standard Oil. The Morgan through General Electric controlled the German radio and electrical industry represented by the AEG and Siemens (by 1933 30% of the shares of the AEG belonged to General Electric), through the ITT communications company - 40% of the German telephone network, besides owned a 30% stake in the aircraft company Fokke-Wulf. Over the "Opel" was established control by the General Motors, owned by the Dupont family. Henry Ford controlled a 100% stake in Volkswagen. In 1926, with the participation of the Rockefeller Bank Dilon Reed & Co., the second largest industrial monopoly of Germany, the metallurgical concern Fereinigte Stahlwerke (Steel Trust), Thyssen, Flick, Wolf and Fegler, and others, arose after I.G. Farbenindustri.

        American cooperation with the German military-industrial complex was so intense and pervasive that by 1933 key sectors of German industry and such large banks as Deutsche Bank, Dresdner Bank, Donat Bank and dr
      2. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 10 December 2020 08: 21
        0
        Schroeder Bank becomes Germany's main agent in Great Britain, and in 1936 its New York branch merges with the Rockefeller House to create the investment bank Schroeder, Rockefeller & Co., which the Times magazine called "the economic propagandist of the Berlin-Rome axis. ". As Hitler himself admitted, he conceived his four-year plan on the financial basis of a foreign loan, so he never inspired him with the slightest alarm.

        In August 1934, the American Standard Oil purchased 730 acres of land in Germany and built large oil refineries that supplied the Nazis with oil. At the same time, the most modern equipment for aircraft factories was secretly delivered to Germany from the USA, on which the production of German aircraft would begin. Germany received a large number of military patents from the American firms Pratt and Whitney, Douglas, and Bendix Aviation, and the Junkers-87 was built using American technologies.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 7 December 2020 17: 48
    -10%
    The Americans in the technique that were sent through the lend-lease hid stew and others are not quick.
    The NKVD learned about this and were very unhappy with this fact.
    1. Avior
      Avior 7 December 2020 18: 13
      +7
      A bottle of whiskey and other gifts for our soldiers were thrust into the barrels of tank guns. The barrel was poured from both sides for preservation during transportation by sea and was unsealed after receiving the tank in part smile
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 7 December 2020 18: 15
      0
      Quote: RUSS
      The NKVD learned about this and were very unhappy with this fact.

      Did they tell you this?
      The volume of supplies was large, there were enough gifts for EVERYONE who managed to get to them first ... The "clucking" of some zealous degenerates WAS NOT INTERESTED TO ANYONE.
    3. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 7 December 2020 19: 04
      -1
      Quote: RUSS
      The NKVD learned about this and were very unhappy with this fact.

      Exactly. Whoever got it was at the expense, and they ate the stew themselves. The NKVD is like that.
      1. Avior
        Avior 7 December 2020 21: 43
        +4
        Practically
        The equipment was completed with overalls, the trucks relied on a leather raincoat, which did not reach the truck drivers, of course
        There is such a story or a story about how a delegation of allies arrived in Murmansk and could not understand why their group of drivers met, instead of representatives of the command ...
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 8 December 2020 08: 19
          0
          There is a very interesting book by our participant in the war, a very famous person who fought on the Matilda tank, where he tells what they were equipped with, and what was good and bad in them. And how they were surprised at the good ... It's a pity that the circulation was very small ...
          1. Avior
            Avior 8 December 2020 08: 44
            +1
            There is also Loza, "Tankman in a foreign car", he fought in the Sherman.
            But in general there is not a lot of such literature.
            1. kalibr
              kalibr 8 December 2020 08: 45
              0
              Firstly, not all tankers knew how to write books, and then ... it was not very relevant until the 91st. And then there is old age, sclerosis, disease. Not for books.
          2. Niel-le-Calais
            Niel-le-Calais 10 December 2020 00: 40
            +1
            Quote: kalibr
            There is a very interesting book by our participant in the war, a very famous person who fought on the Matilda tank, where he tells

            already in 1941 instructors were trained by the British in the Gorky and Kazan tank.
            By the end of the battle for Moscow, "rules for the use of British tanks in Soviet realities" were formed. There are pluses. Like all tanks. In general, the attitude is normal.
            The ease of control of the diesel, the cannon and the planetary gearbox was a plus - the cannons are generally something that is often praised by the British.
  • tatra
    tatra 7 December 2020 18: 02
    0
    The goal of the enemies of Russia and the Russian people after their capture of Russia in the anti-Soviet Perestroika is not only to slander those from whom they took the country, but also to discredit all the victories and achievements of those.
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 7 December 2020 18: 12
    0
    Thanks for the supply of weapons and materials! They helped a lot at a difficult moment, but we paid for it in gold, platinum and the lives of our citizens, for the sake of common interests. If I am not mistaken, England did not take money for supplies.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 7 December 2020 19: 03
      0
      Quote: Pessimist22
      If I am not mistaken, England did not take money for supplies.

      By an agreement dated August 16, 1941, the loan was set at £ 10 million (approximately $ 40 million) at 3% per annum. The Soviet Government undertook to pay 40% of the deliveries in foreign currency and gold (including the proceeds from counter deliveries from the USSR to Great Britain), and the remaining 60% through a loan.
      In June 1942, the loan amount was increased by 25 million pounds, and in February 1944 by another 25 million pounds. In total, by the end of the war in Europe, the loan amount was 60 million pounds.
    2. List
      List 7 December 2020 19: 05
      +2
      The United States did not require compensation for the military equipment destroyed during the fighting.
  • tatra
    tatra 7 December 2020 18: 29
    +2
    The enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people must decide if the Americans only helped the Soviet people to fight the Hitlerite coalition, then the Americans had no right to join the ranks of the victors over Hitlerite Germany. But if the USSR and the USA were allies, they had. And the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people always rip out of the Lend-Lease only what is profitable for them, and never give the data - so much was the Lend-Lease in the total expenses of the USSR for the Great Patriotic War, and the historian Pykhalov counted -10%.
    1. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 10 December 2020 00: 44
      0
      Quote: tatra
      that is how much Lend-Lease was in the total expenditures of the USSR for the Great Patriotic War, and the historian Pykhalov calculated -10%.

      it's a pity that this 10% is calculated only in material values ​​..
      Not lives! Blood, sweat, time (and, accordingly, lives)
      and lives and lives ...
      And not 10%! Above. For hunger ... higher mortality and again life ..
      Even if we accept 10% as our loss in lives (and in reality there will be more), then this is a disaster.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 10 December 2020 11: 10
      0
      Quote: tatra
      And the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people always rip out of the Lend-Lease only what is profitable for them, and never give the data - so much was the Lend-Lease in the total expenses of the USSR for the Great Patriotic War, and the historian Pykhalov calculated -10%.

      We count again the average temperature in the hospital, including the morguefolding boots with looms? wink
      How much did glycerin cost in 1943?

      Original Russian Text © I.I. Vernidub Ammunition Victory (1998) p. 58
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 7 December 2020 19: 05
    -3
    "Help" was paid for in gold. Americans very much warmed their hands on deliveries to the USSR. At the same time, they did not hesitate to trade with the Nazis.
    1. Avior
      Avior 7 December 2020 21: 40
      +4
      Handing out bad loans is how to warm your hands? You can give me - warm your hands. If Che remains, I will return.
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 7 December 2020 22: 15
        -4
        Contact the Supreme with this.
        1. Avior
          Avior 7 December 2020 22: 39
          +2
          Well, he doesn't write that they warm their hands on such a thing.
          Me and the military that everything is not needed.
          You can use a civil car.
    2. Igor Semenov
      Igor Semenov 7 December 2020 22: 59
      0
      You know perfectly well that this is not so and deliberately lie
    3. Tavrik
      Tavrik 8 December 2020 14: 40
      0
      Approximate figures are as follows (correct, who can, you are too lazy to look for exact data): supplies were for 12-14 billion dollars, several hundred million were paid, incl. and in the seventies. Awesome business! good
  • Baron pardus
    Baron pardus 7 December 2020 19: 34
    +1
    There is a very good book, Trading With the Enemy: Higham, Charles. "Land Lease" to Germany is well written there. No, of course not directly. Making deliveries directly to the enemy is like noncomilfo. Voters learn, learn about the company's connections with congressmen / senators, it will be completely inconvenient in front of Don Carlos. And from Brazil to Argentina, through Portugal and Spain. And oil, and aluminum, and rubber, and cobalt and a bunch of other yummy. Not on credit, of course, but for gold. But there are other interesting little things like who owned concerns like Focke Wolf and how much and how it determined when and whom the USAAF was bombing. And what did FDR say when he tried to cover this shop. And there is no less interesting book and audio book by Nikolai Starikov "Who forced Hitler to attack Stalin", which describes in great detail the financial assistance provided by the United States to the Nazi movement, and the connections of the American elite, including the notorious Kennedy and Bush clans, with the Nazi elite. However, all that Starikov did was summarize a bunch of materials from books published in the West at one time.
    And for the Anglo-Saxons, trade and profit are sacred. Especially if you do not violate any SPECIFIED laws. And if the profit is large, then you can pay and change the laws.
    In the USA there is such a sport as "NASCAR" auto racing, and racers wear the labels of the companies that sponsor them (the racers) on their suits. There has been a joke in the United States for a long time that they say to force congressmen and senators to put on the same labels on suits so that we, US citizens, know for whom these "democratically elected" representatives REALLY work.
    1. oleg2016.sever
      oleg2016.sever 7 December 2020 20: 33
      -3
      I agree.
      If the United States and Britain had not financed the rise to power of the Nazis with the Fuhrer in 1932 and the revival of German industry with plans for war with Soviet Russia, then this "Liz" would not have been needed, and so the beast came out of obedience and instead of the East first went to the West ... But the verbiage "Lisa" is trying to deduce the root cause of this war and who is to blame for it - the United States and Britain with France, they provoked a fire - leading to power, financing the revival of industry, strengthening the Reich with the industries of Austria and Czechoslovakia, surrendering them to the Reich.
      It would be better if there were no "Lend Lease" and there would be no 27 + million. dead.
    2. Avior
      Avior 7 December 2020 21: 38
      +4
      ... There is a very good book, Trading With the Enemy: Higham, Charles.

      Complete nonsense without any references to sources, a set of the author's fantasies
      Especially delirium about the supposedly unsinkable tankers Standard Oil, which, moreover, was disbanded even before the First World War
  • rocket757
    rocket757 7 December 2020 19: 37
    +1
    The affairs of bygone days ... they helped us and YOURSELF !!!
    We have been calculating for a long time.
  • iouris
    iouris 7 December 2020 19: 39
    -6
    Lend-Lease is part of a plan to transform the United States into a superpower. There could be no Lend-Lease.
  • svoit
    svoit 7 December 2020 19: 44
    +2
    Firstly, it would be nice not to forget that the help was also from the UK and Canada.
    Secondly, assistance indirectly influenced the policy of, for example, Finland, and Sweden (we will not write about Turkey for now)
    And thirdly, Germany spent some resources to suppress convoys.
    That is, let's imagine for a moment that there would be no help and military operations would not be synchronized (both sides would be fighting their own war).
    What are your forecasts?
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 7 December 2020 19: 46
      +2
      Quote: svoit
      Firstly, it would be nice not to forget that the help was also from the UK and Canada.

      Will we remember Mongolia?
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 10 December 2020 11: 15
        0
        Quote: mat-vey
        Will we remember Mongolia?

        Already recalled earlier. And they found out that the gratuitous aid to Mongolia was minimal. And the bulk of goods from Mongolia (in fact, the 17th Union Republic) went to war for money.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 10 December 2020 15: 05
          0
          Quote: Alexey RA
          And the bulk of goods from Mongolia (in fact, the 17th Union Republic) went to war for money.

          Which were in the form of a loan, which no one demanded.
    2. iouris
      iouris 8 December 2020 12: 27
      0
      Canada is still the UK (by the way, Australia and New Zealand). However, the UK itself received a lend-lease.
  • svoit
    svoit 7 December 2020 19: 48
    -3
    Quote: mat-vey
    Will we remember Mongolia?

    no, we won't, she couldn't help us
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 7 December 2020 20: 16
      -1
      Quote: svoit
      Quote: mat-vey
      Will we remember Mongolia?

      no, we won't, she couldn't help us

      So why did the Mongolian help not please you?
      Well, and - "By the agreement of August 16, 1941, the loan amount was set at 10 million pounds sterling (approximately 40 million dollars) at 3% per annum. The Soviet Government undertook to pay 40% of supplies in foreign currency and gold (including proceeds from counter deliveries from the USSR to Great Britain), and the remaining 60% - through credit.
      In June 1942 the loan amount was increased by 25 million pounds, and in February 1944 by another 25 million pounds. By the end of the war in Europe, the total loan amount was 60 million pounds. "
    2. Avior
      Avior 7 December 2020 21: 34
      0
      Mongolia provided little help, thanks to them. Something money for the production of about 40 tanks and several echelons of all sorts of things.
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 8 December 2020 09: 58
        +1
        this "small" ...
        On January 16, 1942, fundraising began for the purchase of tanks for the tank column "Revolutionary Mongolia". The citizens of the Mongolian People's Republic donated 2,5 million tugriks, 100 thousand US dollars and 300 kg of gold to Vneshtorgbank. By the end of 1942 Xnumx tank (32 T-34 tanks and 21 T-70 tanks) were delivered to the Naro-Fominsk area of ​​the Moscow region.

        In 1943, a fundraiser was organized for the acquisition of a squadron of Mongolian Arat aircraft.
        The Mongolian People's Republic also took over the clothing and food supply of the tank column and squadron until the end of the war.
        During the war, more than 500 thousand horses were supplied from the Mongolian People's Republic to the USSR.
        General I. A. Pliev said: “It took a lot of horses. Mongolian friends reliably provided us, and an unpretentious Mongol horse next to a Soviet tank reached Berlin!
        The supply of almost 500 thousand tons of meat and 64 thousand tons of wool was no less valuable help for the warring USSR.

        The main imports of the USSR from Mongolia were cattle and small ruminants, horse livestock, hides, raw fur, fur coats, wool, felt. From June 1941 to the end of 1945, the USSR imported from Mongolia 0,7 million heads of cattle, 4,9 million heads of small ruminants, 0,4 million horses, almost 6 million small hides.

        Another area of ​​assistance from the MPR was the strengthening of its own armed forces. The size of the army was constantly increasing and by the end of the war increased by 3-4 times, up to 50% of the state budget was spent on the needs of the army and the militia [1]. The Mongolian People's Revolutionary Army was seen as an additional deterrent against the Kwantung Army, in addition to the troops of the 17th Army of the Red Army of the USSR Armed Forces, stationed on the territory of the MPR throughout the war.
        1. Avior
          Avior 8 December 2020 11: 48
          -1
          During the war, more than 500 thousand horses were supplied from the Mongolian People's Republic to the USSR.
          General I. A. Pliev said: “It took a lot of horses. Mongolian friends reliably provided us, and an unpretentious Mongol horse next to a Soviet tank reached Berlin!
          The supply of almost 500 thousand tons of meat and 64 thousand tons of wool was no less valuable help for the warring USSR.

          The main imports of the USSR from Mongolia were cattle and small ruminants, horse livestock, hides, raw fur, fur coats, wool, felt. From June 1941 to the end of 1945, the USSR imported from Mongolia 0,7 million heads of cattle, 4,9 million heads of small ruminants, 0,4 million horses, almost 6 million small hides.

          what you have listed is not help, but trade. Import, as you have written.
          Mongolia supplied, the USSR paid for with money or goods, including high-tech ones - cars, machine tools, etc.
          I wrote help from memory - money for 53 tanks (thanks for correcting) and several echelons of something Mongolian - 12, if I'm not mistaken.
          1. Reviews
            Reviews 8 December 2020 11: 54
            -1
            Don't wag ... stern. Wiki does not suffer from precise terminology. I'm talking about "import". Lend-Lease, by design, was also not free, actually. Write on the cuffs with chalk.
            Leonid Kuras, Doctor of Historical Sciences, Professor: In 1946, Tsydenbal named the amount gratuitous aid to the Soviet Union, it is astronomical, these are two annual budgets of Mongolia.

            Sapienti sat.
            1. Avior
              Avior 8 December 2020 12: 33
              +2
              what Tsydenbal said to Kuras, I don’t know, this is their business, maybe there were two budgets, but there is a list of gratuitous gifts to Mongolia for the USSR on the Internet, the most significant is the money collected by the Mongols for 53 tanks.
              Thanks to them.
              1. Reviews
                Reviews 8 December 2020 12: 37
                -2
                Quote: Avior
                what Tsydenbal said to Kuras, I do not know, this is their business, but there is a list of gratuitous gifts from Mongolia to the USSR on the Internet, the most significant is the money collected by the Mongols for 53 tanks.

                The drain is accepted. You don't even know about the Mongolian Arat squadron. As well as the meaning of the word "free of charge".
                Nude ...
                1. Avior
                  Avior 8 December 2020 13: 33
                  0
                  I forgot more about it than you ever knew
                  Mongolian assistance in the war amounted to money for 53 tanks, 12 fighters, 30 thousand horses, 1200 camels, and something else and 8 - some write that 9 echelons of all kinds of gifts.
                  The total cost of gifts from Mongolia to the USSR amounted to 87 million rubles.
                  Mongolia sold the USSR for 600 million.

                  It seems that the amount of gifts is significant, but in the prices of that time it was about 160-180 T-34 tanks.
                  but that's not all
                  In response, the USSR also supplied Mongolia with free aid with goods and services.

                  that is, a reciprocal aid of 100 million is far from everything, and the above list of aid from the USSR is much larger.
                  That is, the USSR gave Mongolia during the war more than it received in return.
                  And all these hundreds of thousands of horses and millions of cattle are what Mongolia sold to the USSR.
                  And you can't count this as a gift in any way.

                  hi
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 8 December 2020 14: 03
                    -1
                    PS I have a mistake, 400-500 T-34 tanks, the price of the tank was 170-200 thousand rubles.
                    and, interestingly, Mongolia's budget revenues doubled during the war.

                    That is, all aid to Mongolia for the entire war is a quarter of Mongolia's budget for one year.
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  • iouris
    iouris 8 December 2020 12: 28
    +1
    Mongolia provided "brotherly assistance". By the way, then Tuva too.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 7 December 2020 19: 55
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    but not as critical as some pseudo-historians are now trying to present

    Maybe the truth is not critical, BUT - why did the USSR before the war produced aircraft from wood, plywood, delta wood, etc. - there was not enough aluminum. But for some reason, during the war, having lost part of the production capacity of "winged metal", it began to build solid metal aircraft. luminium?
    And yet, the pre-war aircraft had low-power engines, but consumed low-octane gasoline, which was full. But then, they started the production of powerful engines, but little gasoline was produced for them. You can mix our gasoline, with American, and the plane flew.
    We count the supply of tanks, armored personnel carriers, etc., and we get help, a few percent, from our production. But why in any army dozens of types of tanks, aircraft, etc. and crews separately prepare, and spare parts, and repair-hemorrhoids.
    Maybe someone knows how many steam locomotives, rails, wagons were produced by the USSR during the war - MAIN TRANSPORTATION. Shish with butter! hi
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 8 December 2020 11: 08
      -2
      Quote: fa2998
      Before the war, the USSR produced aircraft from wood, plywood, delta wood, etc. - there was not enough aluminum.

      Are you talking about ANT-6, SB or Pe-2? Or maybe about a Yak-1 with a steel truss fuselage? Or about the mixed MiG-1 / -3?
      1. Avior
        Avior 8 December 2020 11: 52
        0
        probably he is about La-5 in different variations.
        La-5 is a Soviet single-engine fighter created by OKB-21 under the leadership of S. A. Lavochkin in 1942 in Gorky. The aircraft was a single-seat monoplane of an all-wood construction with retractable landing gear and a closed cockpit ..... (the description is given mainly in relation to the aircraft of the La-5FN modification)

        The La-5 fighter had the aerodynamic design of a single-engine low-wing cantilever. The main structural material of the airframe was pine and birch veneer. Delta wood was also used in the manufacture of the wing and fuselage power pack. All wooden parts of the aircraft were glued together with VIAM-B3 resin glue, without the use of nails and screws. Also, special steel was used in the design of the load-bearing elements, and on airplanes manufactured in 1944 and later, some of the airframe elements were made of duralumin and steel.
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 8 December 2020 12: 00
          -1
          Quote: Avior
          probably he is about La-5 in different variations.
          La-5 is a Soviet single-engine fighter created by OKB-21 under the leadership of S. A. Lavochkin in 1942 in Gorky. The aircraft was a single-seat monoplane of an all-wood construction with retractable landing gear and a closed cockpit ..... (the description is given mainly in relation to the aircraft of the La-5FN modification)

          The La-5 fighter had the aerodynamic design of a single-engine low-wing cantilever. The main structural material of the airframe was pine and birch veneer. Delta wood was also used in the manufacture of the wing and fuselage power pack. All wooden parts of the aircraft were glued together with VIAM-B3 resin glue, without the use of nails and screws. Also, special steel was used in the design of the load-bearing elements, and on airplanes manufactured in 1944 and later, some of the airframe elements were made of duralumin and steel.

          Actually, I know what La-5 is. And, unlike LaGG, it began to be produced after the beginning of the Second World War.
          1. Avior
            Avior 8 December 2020 12: 41
            0
            speech about the lack of aluminum.
            La-5 is the LaGG-5.
            The same LaGG with a different engine.
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 8 December 2020 12: 47
              -1
              Quote: Avior
              it's about a shortageLLjumin.

              The point is that "Avior" does not know the Russian language.
              La-5- this is LaGG-5.


              The same LaGG with a different engine.

              The differences between La-5 and LaGG-3 are not only in the engine.
              1. Avior
                Avior 8 December 2020 12: 58
                +1
                LaGG-5 is its first name. Then it was renamed La-5.
                Ten days later, the Lavochkin Design Bureau returned from Tbilisi to Gorky, and by order of June 3, the issue of the LaGG-5 release was finally resolved (this was the original name of the LaGG-3 with the M-82 engine) at factories No. 21 and No. 31.

                This is one and the same LaGG, and alterations, where were they not?
                Well, if you've already started catching my typos and posting cats instead of talking in essence, I won't bother you. hi
                1. Reviews
                  Reviews 8 December 2020 13: 08
                  -1
                  Quote: Avior
                  LaGG-5 is its first name. Then it was renamed La-5.

                  I know. But it went down in history as La-5.
                  This is the same LaGG

                  La-5 differed from LaGG-3 not only in the engine. Write in chalk on the cuffs.
                  Well, if you've already started catching my typos and posting cats instead of talking in essence, I won't bother you. hi

                  The second sink is valid. I am not particularly disturbed by amateurs who do not know history and cling to the word "import".
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 8 December 2020 13: 50
                    +1
                    Quote: Avior
                    LaGG-5 is its first name. Then it was renamed La-5.

                    I know. But it went down in history as La-5.

                    stop twisting
                    they wrote you in black and white
                    La-5 is the LaGG-5.
                    1. Reviews
                      Reviews 8 December 2020 14: 47
                      0
                      Quote: Avior
                      Quote: Avior
                      LaGG-5 is its first name. Then it was renamed La-5.

                      I know. But it went down in history as La-5.

                      stop twisting
                      they wrote you in black and white
                      La-5 is the LaGG-5.

                      You twist here. Moreover, it is very obscene.
                      The same LaGG with a different engine.

                      La-5 differs from LaGG not only in its engine. Learn materiel, squalor ...
        2. fa2998
          fa2998 8 December 2020 17: 04
          0
          And we had I-16,15,153 and many. There was enough aluminum for TB-1,3-bombers.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 10 December 2020 11: 20
        0
        Quote: Avis
        Are you talking about ANT-6, SB or Pe-2? Or maybe about a Yak-1 with a steel truss fuselage? Or about the mixed MiG-1 / -3?

        Uh-huh ... that's just, having all this splendor, the USSR tried to buy aluminum from Germany before the war. Fighting in the air in Germany. smile
  • CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 7 December 2020 20: 03
    0
    Recently on the network I saw a photo of the Red Army's metal buttons made in the USA and supplied to the USSR under Lend-Lease, I was very surprised
    1. Avior
      Avior 7 December 2020 22: 42
      +3
      Metallic buttons supplied about 250 million
    2. kalibr
      kalibr 8 December 2020 08: 24
      0
      And also a soutache for uniforms! What is the uniform without soutache?
  • Radikal
    Radikal 7 December 2020 20: 08
    0
    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    Perhaps worse, but not as critical as some pseudo-historians are now trying to present

    Stalin makes a toast at Churchill's birthday:

    “I want to tell you what, from the Soviet point of view, the President and the United States have done to win the war. The most important things in this war are the machines. The United States has proven that it can produce 8,000 to 10,000 aircraft a month. Russia can produce at most 3000 planes a month. England produces 3000-3500 a month, mostly heavy bombers. So the United States is a country of machines. Without these machines, supplied under Lend-Lease, we would have lost this war. "

    Dear - when and where did this event take place? sad
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 7 December 2020 20: 14
      +2
      Quote: Radikal
      Dear - when and where did this event take place?

      No, there was a birthday and Stalin was there and congratulated the birthday man, only the minutes of this "speech" are not in Russian, but what is suddenly remembered in the 60s - in America.
  • svoit
    svoit 7 December 2020 20: 30
    -1
    Quote: mat-vey
    So why did the Mongolian help not please you?

    It pleased me all (1 million horses), it simply could not but exist, Mongolia was completely dependent on us.
    And that the help to Great Britain was on credit was understandable, but it started earlier, and if they credited us, then they believed in victory.
    And by a happy coincidence, the offensive of British troops in Africa began on November 18, 1941
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 7 December 2020 20: 50
      0
      Quote: svoit
      And what that UK aid was on credit

      Help is help, and credit is a purchase.
      Quote: svoit
      Mongolia was completely dependent on us.

      England also depended. Or do you think that they lived there? That Germany with the resources of the USSR will stand on ceremony with England.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 7 December 2020 20: 35
    +1
    Quote: mat-vey
    Quote: Radikal
    Dear - when and where did this event take place?

    No, there was a birthday and Stalin was there and congratulated the birthday man, only the minutes of this "speech" are not in Russian, but what is suddenly remembered in the 60s - in America.

    It's about when it was - the date and the year. Churchill's birthday is November 30th. Stalin could personally congratulate him only during the Tehran Conference, which took place from November 28 to December 1, 1943. Stalin is not the kind of person who could talk about victory before it happened.
    Proofs in the studio! wassat
    1. Avior
      Avior 7 December 2020 23: 29
      +1
      Above in the text gave the source of this speech
      This is Tehran
  • kamakama
    kamakama 7 December 2020 20: 42
    +2
    [media = http: //army.armor.kiev.ua/hist/index.shtml] - in the middle of the page is a list of articles
    [media = http: //army.armor.kiev.ua/hist/lend-liz.php] - capital letter for the cycle
    I'll just leave it here. Detailed list with nomenclature, comparison and so on. Unfortunately, the author died and could not complete the cycle, which is a pity. I would like to help spread these ideas and research
    1. kamakama
      kamakama 7 December 2020 20: 45
      0
      I didn't understand something, but how can I insert links here?
  • Alexander K_2
    Alexander K_2 7 December 2020 21: 14
    +2
    It is extremely difficult, more than 75 years after the end of the war, to argue that the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition would not have provided us with assistance? One thing I can say for sure: 99% of experts who are and comment on the site WOULD BE BORN AT ALL! belay
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 7 December 2020 21: 44
    +3
    For the USSR, supplies were significant:
    Technicians, first of all - cars.
    Materials - aluminum, rubber.
    Machine tools. Cable. Military equipment.
    Explosives and gunpowder. Food.

    Armament was required in the beginning.
    Then, for the work of the evacuated enterprises, machines and materials.
    Then food products, since the agricultural was ruined by the occupants.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 10 December 2020 11: 28
      0
      Quote: Pavel57
      Materials - aluminum, rubber.

      Copper. Because copper is shell casings. And in 1943 the USSR began the transition to the mass use of 85-mm guns, the sleeve of which weighed three times more than that of the divisional 3 ".
      Sleeve 76mm guns arr. 1902/1930 (as well as subsequent divisions of this caliber) weighed 830-850 grams.
      But the anti-aircraft gun sleeve of the 1931 3-K model weighed 2 kg 760 grams already.
      Those. 3,1 times more copper.
      The 85mm anti-aircraft gun barrel weighed 2,85-2,92kg and was slightly thicker, but in geometric terms it was almost identical to the 1931 3-K gun barrel.

      It was the lack of copper that in many ways hacked the pre-war projects to change the caliber of divisional artillery.

      Plus - high-octane gasoline and components for its production. As well as equipment for refineries.
      Moreover, imported high-octane was used, among other things, for the manufacture of mixed aviation gasoline (mixed with domestic gasoline with a lower RON). And this mixed aviation gasoline was included in the figure for Soviet production. smile
  • tolancop
    tolancop 7 December 2020 21: 51
    +3
    It is my deep conviction that Voennoye Obozreniye is degenerating into a platform for links. Instead of useful material, a brief annotation of the attached video is given. The thoughts of the author of the topic where?
    And there are more and more similar "materials" on "VO". I believe that the administration of "VO" is time to take action against such "authors". In the bath they belong, since there is no useful information from them, only time is taken away.
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 7 December 2020 22: 13
    +3
    There have already been heaps of articles about this topic.
    And I met somewhere in the internet the site of the state reserve, and there - an article with numbers.

    Something like this: 45% gunpowder, 40% fuel, aluminum, copper, electrics, food, clothing, 50% transport,
    And every little thing
    There are not many armaments as such, since there is little good (the country did not have a good land military school) and we need to do it ourselves, and we ourselves tried not to take the old ones.

    It would be better to remind people of the numbers and% again.
    1. Camrad
      Camrad 7 December 2020 23: 22
      -1
      But why?
      You have paid trolls here and so they stick these numbers and% to the place, but mostly out of place.
      As an example:
      In 1943, Omeriga offers 2000 decommissioned steam locomotives at low prices under Lend-Lease. You can take them, and our factories producing railway equipment, switch to the repair of rolling stock or the production of armored trains and even just cars or to help tank builders, there are a million options! And in amerovskoy training manual 75 years later, two numbers will remain: the USSR itself produced only 100 steam locomotives, and the United States donated 2000 pieces.
      1. Aleks2000
        Aleks2000 8 December 2020 21: 03
        -1
        Wah!
        What pay so well? Half of the visitors are trolls?
        Are we confidently ruining the yusa? and we counteract the capital outflow of the elite?
  • Foxmara
    Foxmara 8 December 2020 02: 40
    +1
    And if there was no US aid to Hitler? Maybe Lend Lease wouldn't be needed ..
  • Left shot
    Left shot 8 December 2020 02: 44
    -5
    Fans with a splash of saliva to prove that Western Lend-Lease was a "huge contribution" forget to mention that Western "partners" poured a lot of illiquid shit to the USSR for gold, and all this amount is impressive only on paper, without assessing its quality.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 8 December 2020 11: 12
      +1
      Quote: Left Shot
      Fans with a splash of saliva to prove that Western Lend-Lease was a "huge contribution" forget to mention that Western "partners" poured a lot of illiquid shit into the USSR for gold

      "Bostons" and "Mitchells" are not shit. As well as the C-47.
      1. Left shot
        Left shot 8 December 2020 16: 23
        -2
        I'm not saying that it was all shit. But harricanes, Lee tanks, and more were shit. We wrote above about a batch of substandard steam locomotives ...
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 8 December 2020 17: 53
          +1
          Quote: Left Shot
          I'm not saying that it was all shit. But harricanes, Lee tanks, and more were shit. We wrote above about a batch of substandard steam locomotives ...

          In the initial period of the war, looking at a gift horse was more expensive. In principle, the "harry" was a good aircraft for its generation. There are many glorious pages on his account in "Battle of Britain". Not a single Spitfire. In general, the "harricane" also contributed to our victory, to deny it is stupid.
          1. Left shot
            Left shot 8 December 2020 18: 42
            -4
            And it does not matter what period, the allies in many respects fused shit for gold, that's a fact. What is there to get out of here?
            The Hurricane was shit in 41-43, full. Many knew this, from ordinary pilots to Stalin. He was completely non-volatile against the background of his peers and with no weapons (a number of rifle-caliber machine guns and only in the wings, let's just leave disputes about other modifications, only this was supplied to the USSR).
            And no matter what was there in the Battle of Britain, remember the Battle of Hastings.
            The I-152/3 also played a significant role in the Second World War, this does not mean that they were good in 41-45.
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 8 December 2020 18: 49
              -1
              Quote: Left Shot
              And it does not matter what period, the allies in many respects fused shit for gold, that's a fact. What is there to get out of here?

              Well, don't get out of it.

              The Hurricane was shit in 41-43, full.

              Well, and the "shot from the left" - in 2020.
              He was completely non-volatile

              He flew well, if someone here does not know.
              with no weapons (a number of rifle-caliber machine guns and only in the wings, let's just leave disputes about other modifications, only this was supplied to the USSR).

              In our country, among other things, they put 20-mm cannons on it, as well as on the "Hawks". As a platform, it was not bad. "Barn", but tenacious.
              Remember the Battle of Hastings.

              When / if I remember, then tambourines. And you will "poke" your cat. If he will.
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 10 December 2020 11: 30
          0
          Quote: Shot from the left
          I'm not saying that it was all shit. But harricanes, Lee tanks, and more were shit.

          So the Allies at that time themselves fought on what they supplied us. For limes in Africa, "Lee" in 1942 seemed like heavenly manna. smile
          1. Left shot
            Left shot 10 December 2020 16: 52
            -3
            The allies fought in Africa disgusting. And against the T-2, T-3 Germans. And suffered huge losses on Lee tanks
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 10 December 2020 17: 03
              0
              Quote: Left Shot
              The allies fought in Africa disgusting. And against the T-2, T-3 Germans. And suffered huge losses on Lee tanks

              That is, you confirm that the Allies themselves fought on what they supplied us. smile

              As for the Hurricanes, the USSR inherited the first Huri from 81 and 134 squadrons of the RAF, which covered Murmansk. That is, again, we got what the limes flew on. In general, the Khoury lived in the RAF for a long time: it was only in March 1942 that they began to change them to the Spits in Malta, and the Desert Air Force raised 6 Khuray squadrons against Rommel in October 1942.
    2. Tavrik
      Tavrik 8 December 2020 14: 46
      -2
      Give the list of "shit", please. In general, our people's commissariats made lists of what was needed. And the United States has already looked at what it can deliver and in what time frame.
      1. Left shot
        Left shot 8 December 2020 18: 52
        -3
        The people's commissariats made a list of what was proposed and what was offered to diplomats and accompanying engineering delegations. No need to go over the ears that the people's commissariats could choose anything from the British-American products, this is nonsense.
        The Allies refused much of what the Soviet representatives asked.

        I named examples of shit in the adjacent comments.
        1. Tavrik
          Tavrik 8 December 2020 20: 07
          +1
          And how could the allies propose something, on what basis? What, having traveled on our fronts, or what? How could they know that, for example, we need batteries for submarines? Only based on our requests.
          As for the Hurricanes and Lee ... Well, first of all, what they fought on, they brought it to us. Both Hariki and Lee were not superfluous in the West. Yes, and we have I-16s in the air defense until the age of 44. Secondly, the situation was such that any tank or aircraft was welcome. Something with anger did not refuse anything ... But after 75 years we are looking at the "gift horse teeth" with interest. And our grandfathers-great-grandfathers were very glad that at least the Hurricane flew over them, and at least Lee, even Valentine, stood nearby in battle formation.
          And in something they refused. For they themselves had a war, although we do not admit it. No one will take off his "last shirt".
          1. Left shot
            Left shot 9 December 2020 01: 26
            -2
            "How could the Allies offer anything, on the basis of what?" - Based on calculation and greed. For example, ours asked for Spitfires - denied, asked for B-17 - Roosevelt allowed, but the Minister of Defense refused ... they gave B-25 instead, which is slightly wrong /
            Basically, like ordinary merchants sniffed illiquid assets.
            1. Tavrik
              Tavrik 9 December 2020 09: 58
              +1
              Well, firstly, you admit that the deliveries were carried out at our requests ("ours asked ..."), secondly, Spitfires were supplied, they flew to the air defense of Leningrad, and thirdly, how to condemn the allies for what we Didn't you put it? They had their own war in several theaters. And everywhere we needed planes and tanks. And ours, having learned about possible deliveries, wanted "everything and more". Then their commissions came and were surprised that the cargo was lying on the berths. In the end, it was not we who helped, but us.
              1. Left shot
                Left shot 9 December 2020 15: 26
                -3
                Stop, breakdowns in logic ... Our people asked, but this does not mean that they were given. Consequently, ours did not choose anything from the allied products. And they asked NOT DRUGS for sure.
              2. Left shot
                Left shot 9 December 2020 15: 28
                -3
                We will not go over the ears about the Spitfires that fought with us?
                “Still, the Spitfire appeared in the USSR in September 1942. These were three PR IV vehicles - photographic reconnaissance vehicles. They had no weapons. Instead of cannons and machine guns, there were additional gas tanks, which increased the fuel supply by two and a half times. shoot from great heights. "

                And the allies initially proposed modifications I and II - this is completely outdated shit in 41-43. Our asked other.
                This is another illustration of my words.

                I repeat 5 times. Allies for gold shake off the USSR illiquid shit.
                And those who pray (or jerk off) for supposedly key Western aid with supplies to the USSR in WWII, modestly "forget" about it.
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 9 December 2020 17: 06
                  +2
                  "I repeat 5 times. The allies were shaking off illiquid shit for the USSR for gold." ///
                  ----
                  The allies supplied the USSR with the best military equipment that they had at that time, free of charge. And Stalin, unlike you, and Roosevelt, and Churchill for this more than once thanked.
              3. Niel-le-Calais
                Niel-le-Calais 10 December 2020 01: 03
                0
                Quote: Tavrik
                In the end, it was not we who helped, but us

                response LL from the USSR $ 2 million
  • high
    high 8 December 2020 05: 46
    -1
    It makes no sense to think out the history of US and British aid to the Soviet Union, by the end of 1941 the Red Army was partially defeated.
    This is confirmed by Stalin's panicked letter to Churchill, dated September 3, 1941, with a desperate request for immediate help.
    ,, ... Without these two types of assistance, the Soviet Union will either be defeated or weakened to the point that it loses for a long time the ability to provide assistance to its allies by its active actions on the front of the fight against Hitlerism ...

    http://doc20vek.ru/node/2824

    Marshal of Victory Zhukov explained the significance of US aid:
    “.. The Americans drove us so many materials, without which we could not form our reserves and could not continue the war...
    We got 350 thousand cars, but what kind of cars!
    ... We had no explosives, no gunpowder. There was nothing to equip cartridges with. The Americans really helped us out with gunpowder and explosives.
    And how much they drove us sheet steel. How could we have quickly set up the production of tanks, if not for American help with steel.
    And now they present it as if we had it all in abundance ”.

    http://militera.lib.ru/memo/usa/stettinius/06.html
    On my own behalf, I will add that Pokryshkin received 3 Hero Stars while flying the American Bell P-39 Airacobra aircraft. 48 of the 59 aircraft shot down by him fell just on flights on an American fighter.
    In total, the USSR received 4952 such American fighters
    .
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 8 December 2020 11: 16
      0
      Quote: alta

      On my own behalf, I will add that Pokryshkin received 3 Hero Stars while flying the American Bell P-39 Airacobra aircraft. 48 of the 59 aircraft shot down by him fell just on flights on an American fighter.

      .

      And what does this in itself prove? :) Tell me your name and I will say that you are a maniac, because there is some maniac with exactly the same name.
      And the best ace of the USSR Kozhedub flew, what a surprise, on the Soviet La-7, for example. And the legendary Savitsky - on the Yaks. Yes, and Pokryshkin only "accidentally" survived flying the MiG-3, right? :)
      1. Avior
        Avior 8 December 2020 12: 10
        0
        Airacobra is still a special plane
        List of Soviet aces by results. The names of those who flew in the Aircobra, not the most common aircraft in our country, let's just say.
        1.
        2. Rechkalov
        3. Pokryshkin
        4. Gulaev
        5
        6 Glinka

        Out of the 20 most productive aces, 8 flew on the Aircobra
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_советских_асов_Великой_Отечественной_войны,_одержавших_20_и_более_личных_побед
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 8 December 2020 12: 18
          +1
          Quote: Avior
          Airacobra is still a special plane

          The plane is like an airplane. When they in the United States tried to arm a squadron of blacks, they considered it a manifestation of racism.
          And wars are won not by the aces, but by mass soldiers, including air ones. Those that fought in I-16 / -15 / -153, Yak-1, MiG-3, LaGGakh and so on.
          1. Avior
            Avior 8 December 2020 12: 27
            +1
            Airacobra could not win the war, only 5 thousand of them were supplied.
            But we are talking about the quality of the aircraft, and not about its quantity, as I understand it?
            So, more than 63 thousand Soviet fighters were produced, Aerocobras were delivered less than a tenth of this number - about 5 thousand.
            At the same time, in the list of our 20 most productive aces, he is mentioned almost as much as all the other Soviet aircraft put together.
            In my opinion, this speaks of its high performance.
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 8 December 2020 12: 33
              0
              Quote: Avior
              Airacobra could not win the war, only 5 thousand of them were supplied.
              But we are talking about the quality of the aircraft, and not about its quantity, as I understand it?
              So, more than 63 thousand Soviet fighters were produced, Aerocobras were delivered less than a tenth of this number - about 5 thousand.
              At the same time, in the list of our 20 most productive aces

              Why not a hundred aces? What nonsense?
              In my opinion, this speaks of its high performance.

              About the high qualities of the pilots who were put in it. If Safonov had not died, he would have become the best ace of the Second World War on the "Hauk". And now some "Avior" would try to convince me that the best aircraft of the Second World War is the P-40.
              1. Avior
                Avior 8 December 2020 12: 44
                0
                If it turned out that half of this list is hawki, and the rest of the list is all the other planes put together, yes, it would surely indicate that this is a great plane.
                1. Reviews
                  Reviews 8 December 2020 13: 12
                  -1
                  Quote: Avior
                  If it turned out that half of this list is hawki, and the rest of the list is all the other planes put together, yes, it would surely indicate that this is a great plane.

                  The point is that the War was pulled by the planes under the indexes "I-" (Polikarpovskie), "Yak", "LaGG / La", "MiG" and "Pe". But stupid Hollywood people do not understand this, their wars are won by lone heroes like Skywalker.
      2. Tavrik
        Tavrik 8 December 2020 14: 47
        0
        This proves that Airacobra is not included in the list of "shit".
    2. mat-vey
      mat-vey 9 December 2020 16: 41
      0
      "I think that there is only one way out of this situation: to create already this year a second front somewhere in the Balkans or in France, which could pull back 30-40 German divisions from the eastern front."
      And the second front was not opened and supplies were not in that volume .... how did 1941 end, you know?
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 8 December 2020 09: 50
    +2
    Now everyone takes a sip. It is clear that the actions of the allies in the early years of the war would greatly help our country. In addition to military equipment, we received machines that survived until the 90s. Food aid was provided in the form of concentrates and vitamins near Stalingrad. All this assistance cannot be underestimated or overestimated. The Soviet people understood that they were not alone in the struggle against bestial fascism.
  • border
    border 8 December 2020 10: 52
    +1
    If on a particular day or moment there is nothing to shoot or counterattack, and everything will collapse, then it does not matter what and how much will be brought to the defenders in an hour, day or month. There will be no one and there will be no need to give a lift. "Road spoon to dinner".
    Explosives: produced 558 thousand tons; delivered 295,6 thousand tons; 53%.
    • Copper: 534 thousand tons produced; 404 KT; 76%.
    • Aluminum: 283 thousand tons; 301 KT; 106%.
    • Tin: 13 KT; 29 KT; 223%.
    • Aviabenzin: 4700 thousand tons; 2586 KT; 55%.
    • Car tires: 5953 thousand; 3659 thousand; 62%.
    • Railway cars: 1086 pcs .; 11 075 units; 1020%.
    • Railway rails: 1 101,1 thousand tons; 622,1tys. tons; 57%.
    • Sugar: 995 thousand tons; 658 KT; 66%.
    • Canned meat: 432,5 million cans; 2077 million cans; 480%.
    • Animal fats: 565 thousand tons; 602 KT; 107%.
    (VO, 01.08.2019)
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 9 December 2020 16: 32
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      Quote: border
      If on a specific day or moment there is nothing to shoot or counterattack, and everything collapses, then it does not matter what and how much will be brought to the defenders in an hour, day or month

      That is, if they did not survive in 1941-42, then in 1943-45 Lend-Lease was not needed?
      1. border
        border 15 December 2020 10: 23
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        With the possible defeat of the USSR in 1941-42, what lend-lease in 1943 ?? and for whom?
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 17 December 2020 15: 06
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          Quote: border
          With the possible defeat of the USSR in 1941-42, what lend-lease in 1943 ?? and for whom?

          Well, look when all of the above began to act.
          1. border
            border 18 December 2020 13: 25
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            The first deliveries - August 1941 through the Far East, then through Iran and Murmansk. So everything worked out on time.
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 18 December 2020 15: 53
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              Quote: border
              The first deliveries - August 1941 through the Far East, then through Iran and Murmansk. So everything worked out on time.

              What's interesting is that in November the USSR turned on the program, and the deliveries from August?
  • iouris
    iouris 8 December 2020 12: 30
    -1
    How much is the life of 27 million Soviet people in US dollars?
    How much does it cost to kill 10 million soldiers of the Hitlerite coalition?
    How much is the defeat of the Kwantung Army?
    How much does great power status cost France?
    Vilnius Region and Memel - Lithuania?
    German territories to Poland?
    This is not the whole list.
    1. Avior
      Avior 8 December 2020 12: 46
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      Do you think we fought with the Germans in the form of payment, and if there were no supplies, they would not fight?
      Actually, Hitler attacked us, and we would have fought anyway.
      By the way, are you aware that the irrecoverable losses of the Germans in the war against the Allies amounted to 7 million people?
  • Tavrik
    Tavrik 8 December 2020 14: 49
    +2
    "Shaw, again?" (FROM)
    Only recently did they talk about Lend-Lease and now again. Is this to keep you active?
  • Radikal
    Radikal 8 December 2020 18: 13
    -1
    Quote: Avior
    Above in the text gave the source of this speech
    This is Tehran

    Tehran - it was already clear where the verbatim report was, and in the Soviet version? What mattresses have performed there, let them themselves believe it. When our document is published, then we can speak.
    sad
  • high
    high 8 December 2020 20: 37
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    Quote: Avis
    Quote: alta

    On my own behalf, I will add that Pokryshkin received 3 Hero Stars while flying the American Bell P-39 Airacobra aircraft. 48 of the 59 aircraft shot down by him fell just on flights on an American fighter.

    .

    And what does this in itself prove? :) Tell me your name and I will say that you are a maniac, because there is some maniac with exactly the same name.
    And the best ace of the USSR Kozhedub flew, what a surprise, on the Soviet La-7, for example. And the legendary Savitsky - on the Yaks. Yes, and Pokryshkin only "accidentally" survived flying the MiG-3, right? :)

    Rudeness is not necessary, you did not understand what was written ...
    It meant that, in addition to what was listed by Marshal Zhukov, the United States also supplied aircraft ...
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 10 December 2020 18: 48
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      Quote: alta

      Rudeness is not necessary, you did not understand what was written ...
      It meant that, in addition to what was listed by Marshal Zhukov, the United States also supplied aircraft ...

      You yourself have not understood what you have written. There are no answers to any question.
  • andrei anatolevich
    andrei anatolevich 9 December 2020 15: 44
    +1
    What is Lend-Lease? This is aluminum for tank diesel engines, radio stations for aircraft, telephones and thousands of kilometers of cable products. These are hundreds of tons of high-quality steel, rails and locomotives. These are chemicals and rubber, this is radar, which we simply did not have. These are gunpowder and explosives. These are thousands of tons of flour and meat, hundreds of thousands of cans of first-class stew, milk powder and butter. These are hundreds of thousands of pairs of shoes and kilometers of fabric. These are hundreds of thousands of trucks and SUVs, tens of thousands of car sets that were assembled by our car factories. These are machine tools and turbines, rolling mills and equipment for oil refining. Mikoyan, then the People's Commissar for Foreign Trade, said that without supplies under the Lend-Lease, it was not known how 41 years would have ended. Although in 41st only two caravans came from Britain.
    And yet, for those who have doubts, read Stalin's letters, in which he tearfully begged to send more and more often. Otherwise, they say, kirdyk ...
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 9 December 2020 16: 27
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      Quote: Andrey Anatolyevich
      And yet, for those who have doubts, read Stalin's letters, in which he tearfully begged to send more and more often. Otherwise, they say, kirdyk ...

      Well, at least one letter is possible?
      1. Avior
        Avior 10 December 2020 02: 00
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        One can
        Sent September 3, 1941.
        PERSONAL MESSAGE FROM PREMIER STALIN TO THE PREMIER Mr. CHURCHILL
        .... As a result, we lost more than half of Ukraine and, in addition, the enemy ended up at the gates of Leningrad.

        These circumstances led to the fact that we lost the Krivoy Rog iron ore basin and a number of metallurgical plants in Ukraine, evacuated one aluminum plant on the Dnieper and another aluminum plant in Tikhvin, one engine and two aircraft plants in Ukraine, two engine and two aircraft plants in Leningrad, moreover, these factories can be put into operation in new places no earlier than in seven to eight months.

        All this led to a weakening of our defenses and put the Soviet Union in a mortal threat.

        Here the question is relevant: how to get out of this more than unfavorable situation?

        I think that there is only one way out of this situation: to create already this year a second front somewhere in the Balkans or in France, which could delay 30-40 German divisions from the eastern front, and at the same time provide the Soviet Union with 30 thousand tons of aluminum to early October d. and monthly minimum assistance in the amount of 400 aircraft and 500 tanks (small or medium).

        Without these two types of assistance, the Soviet Union will either be defeated or weakened to the point that it loses for a long time the ability to provide assistance to its allies by its active actions on the front of the fight against Hitlerism ...
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 10 December 2020 15: 04
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          Quote: Avior
          Without these two types of assistance, the Soviet Union will either be defeated or weakened to the point that it loses for a long time the ability to provide assistance to its allies by its active actions on the front of the fight against Hitlerism ...

          The second front in three years. The minimum assistance by aircraft and tanks happened. The defeat did not happen, but just the opposite.
  • Denis Radchenko_2
    Denis Radchenko_2 9 December 2020 19: 50
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    The most important thing: stew and bread! Without this, by 1943, more than half of the population simply died of hunger! And there is nothing to say about everything else: without aluminum there would be no tanks and aircraft. Is there any doubt about that? How many times fewer tanks and planes would have been produced?
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 10 December 2020 14: 59
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      During the Great Patriotic War (1941–45), the Soviet aluminum industry suffered significant damage. The Volkhov and Dneprovsky aluminum, Tikhvin alumina and Dneprovsky electrode plants temporarily stopped their work. The Central Committee of the CPSU (b) and the Soviet government took measures to expand and create new capacities for the aluminum industry in the Urals and Siberia. In 1943, the Novokuznetsk aluminum smelter was launched, on the day of the victory over Nazi Germany (May 9, 1945), the Bogoslovsk aluminum smelter in the Urals produced its first products. During the war years, the Soviet aluminum industry significantly exceeded the pre-war level of production.
      Quote: Denis Radchenko_2
      The most important thing: stew and bread!

      Well, about Mongolia, as always, silence.
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 9 December 2020 23: 14
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    1. The USSR did not beat isolated thanks to ingenious diplomacy. In all cases, he either fought together with the allies (USA or Germany) or remained neutral, which is even better. We remind you that before Lend-Lease, mutually beneficial trade with Germany was beating. Only Hitler's insane mistake made the USSR an enemy.
    2. Before the victory at Stalingrad, Lend-Lease had little impact on the war in the East. And after Stalingrad, the USSR could no longer be defeated and it could conclude a separative truce or peace with Germany if the Western allies left it without economic assistance.
    3. Without the USSR, the victory of the United States and Britain in the war was absolutely impossible. They could not defeat Korea and Vietnam without the USSR, but here Germany, Japan and Italy had to be defeated.
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 9 December 2020 23: 55
    +1
    Quote: Denis Radchenko_2
    The most important thing: stew and bread! Without this, by 1943, more than half of the population simply died of hunger! And there is nothing to say about everything else: without aluminum there would be no tanks and aircraft. Is there any doubt about that? How many times fewer tanks and planes would have been produced?

    Lend-lease food was received mainly in 1944-45 at a rate of several grams per person. If it saved anyone from starvation, it was only the Germans and other Europeans in the Soviet zone.
    Without Lendleus aluminum in 1941-42, the USSR produced no fewer tanks and aircraft using more wood and steel. The same applies to all other theories about the irreplaceability of Lend-Lease (locomotive, automobile, aviation gasoline, toluene, copper, and so on).
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 10 December 2020 11: 45
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      Quote: Kostadinov
      Lend-lease food was received mainly in 1944-45 at a rate of several grams per person. If it saved anyone from starvation, it was only the Germans and other Europeans in the Soviet zone.

      LL's food went primarily to the army. The same stew was supplied so much that it was possible to give out a meat portion of 1,5 million fighters daily throughout the war.
      Quote: Kostadinov
      Without Lendleus aluminum in 1941-42, the USSR produced no fewer tanks and aircraft using more wood and steel.

      Let it out. It's just that the nickname "Lacquered Guaranteed Coffin" didn't just appear.
      However, a normal wooden plane can be made. But you need a good engine. A good engine is a high octane. And high octane is again LL. smile
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 10 December 2020 18: 55
        +1
        Quote: Alexey RA

        Let it out. It's just that the nickname "Lacquered Guaranteed Coffin" didn't just appear.

        The usual airfield witticism, which has nothing to do with the real qualities of the aircraft. An excellent aircraft An-24 is called "humpback", "crow" and "snag". The filter in the toilet system is "golden" and the slurry is "slurry".
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 10 December 2020 14: 13
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    Without supplies of toluene - 50% (of used), 100% glycerin and acetone for nitroglycerin propellants, it would be really hard. Again the boring truth, and not stories about "aircobras", "students" and "Shermans". Thanks to the allies for this. really helped.
  • Wolf
    Wolf 10 December 2020 17: 27
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    So about Land Liz helped like in the picture. 43g. Stalin and Ruska's army have already broken the back of Hitler, and then there are loans to "help" the side of the "allies". When they saw that it was NOT POSSIBLE to break the USSR, they decided to earn dengue! 
    1. Wolf
      Wolf 10 December 2020 18: 36
      +2
      Once I wrote here what is the chronicle, and what is history!
      The story creates a Kaleodichepic picture of the lapse of time that bi visit the reader with his political message and intention.
      The Chronicle gives a complete picture with a VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL SECTION !!!, so that a person would see what actually happened !!!
      So the CHRONICLE IS A RIVER, looking from the coast you will not see anything on the river, except for a small cut.
      If you look at World War 1 as an example, and you just look at the murder of the Great Martyr Nicholas and his family, you see nothing more than horrible mischiefs and nothing more if you make a HORIZONTAL SECTION DISCOVER YES THE 2 CIRCAL EMPIRE WERE ALWAYS AND MANY KINGS WAS LOST WHAT IS THIS NUMBER 1789
      So also the 2nd world war she started with the betrayal of the "allies" of CZECHOSLOVAKIA.
      If you look today, you see only a local war for an example in Syria or Libya, and that NATO is approaching Russian borders, along the way destroyed several powers Iraq, Siriu, Liviu, Afghanistan, etc.
      .
      If you make VERTICAL SECTION AND HORIZONTALLY YOU WILL SEE THAT NATO STARTED 3. WORLD WAR IS STILL 1991-1999. aggression against Yugoslavia, just like Hitler began the 2. World War with aggression against Czechoslovakia, and the whole world betrayed her. and that the world is today somewhere in 1940 or 1941 before Hitler's attack on the USSR.
      IT MEANS THE WORLD IS IN THE 3. WORLD WAR IT DOESN'T CARE WHAT THEY DO NOT SPEAK TO YOU ON TV AND NEWSPAPERS !!!
      The question here gave NATO a try to attack China or Russia and gave it a massive military action as it was 41-45? As well as gave Russia and China prepared a reserve of grain and food so that later the people would not die of hunger.
  • nonsense
    nonsense 10 December 2020 22: 50
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    fool what is this big-eyed goblin carrying here? Lend-Lease for the USSR is primarily the supply of equipment and technologies + fuel and lubricants, transport, explosives and gunpowder. Even with Lend-Lease, Germany throughout the war had an advantage in artillery (especially heavy), aviation, transport ... If Lend-Lease was removed, then the offensive operations of 1944-45. for the Red Army it will be easy impossible! Neither transport (lend-lease deliveries of cars exceed the number of cars produced in the USSR during the war years by 2.5 times, and even more steam locomotives - we have successfully deflated our steam locomotive and rail-rolling plants), nor aviation fuel (which was badly charged by diluting Soviet aviation gasoline American "weaving"), no fuels and lubricants (the Americans supplied us with several turnkey oil refineries with their own technologies - we had poor ones of ours), no shells (50 percent of Soviet explosives during the war years can be safely attributed to American supplies and American raw materials for explosives.And some types of explosives were practically produced in laboratory quantities! + non-ferrous metals) for these offensive operations the Red Army simply would not have been! Would stand up tightly somewhere on the Dnieper! Hungry, barefoot and undressed! (:) and even without buttons - they were also supplied in large quantities by the Americans!). There would have been no question of continuing the war without Lend-Lease "for a couple of months longer"! - It was just about the continuation of the war ... So what did Comrade Matveychev count 4% of the total military production? - Only in his inflamed brain!
    Yes, the USSR made a decisive contribution to the defeat of Germany and Co in World War II! But to deceive ourselves and to wag that even without amerskoy help we would "pile" on them is simply unwise.
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 11 December 2020 15: 18
    +1
    LL's food went primarily to the army. The same stew was supplied so much that it was possible to give out a meat portion of 1,5 million fighters daily throughout the war.

    Food came mainly in 1944-45. And who, in your opinion, could become a vegetarian if this meat did not come? 1,5 million Red Army soldiers or 1,5 million civilians in Germany and its allies. Think about it and you can't answer.
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Let it out. It's just that the nickname "Lacquered Guaranteed Coffin" didn't just appear.
    However, a normal wooden plane can be made. But you need a good engine. A good engine is a high octane. And high octane is again LL.

    The Yak-7 also hit very little aluminum and hit the plane quite well, like the Il-2, as well as the best Soviet strike aircraft in this war, the Po-2, with record efficiency indicators. The USSR also produced a lot of visokooctane without a lend-lease. But most importantly, the Soviet aircraft remained with the worst characteristics to the end and the high octane could not significantly change this. But the tactics of their use improved very significantly, and it did not depend on whether gasoline was 87 or 90 or 95. And finally, aviation itself as a whole had a very limited impact on the course and outcome of the war. So aluminum and high octane were of tertiary importance in the course of hostilities.
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 11 December 2020 16: 32
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    If Lend-Lease is removed, then the offensive operations of 1944-45. for the Red Army will become simply impossible!

    It was the Koreans and the Chinese who did not come up with the idea in 1950 that they could not attack and destroy only the infantry with small arms and light artillery, the enemy who had absolute superiority in the air, in tanks, cars, at sea in heavy artillery, and so on. And the Soviet army itself did not know about it when it advanced near Moscow at Stalingrad.
    No transport (lend-lease deliveries of cars exceed the number of cars produced in the USSR during the war years by 2.5 times,

    And in the USSR before the war, no cars were hit? Or, by the beginning of the war, they were still hit twice as much as they received under Lend-Lease. And the trophy cars were also hit? Not to mention that the German army carried out a blitzkrieg in 1941 with one million horses in the infantry divisions alone.
    and there are even more steam locomotives - we have successfully profiled our steam locomotive and rail rolling plants),

    So they reached the steam locomotives that in the USSR were hit by 26 thousand before the war, and they received a thousand petts from lend-lease. When they retreated, the range of transportation was reduced, and when they attacked, they captured trophies. The same goes for wagons and rails. It was not possible for the Soviets or the Germans to take with them the steam locomotives, wagons and rails during the retreat.
    neither aviation fuel (which was badged by diluting Soviet aviation gasoline with American "weaving"), nor fuels and lubricants (the Americans supplied us with several turnkey oil refineries with their own technologies - we had poor ones),

    The USSR produced aviation fuel before the American plants were received, and a lot. And with and without American weaving, Soviet planes flew slower and lower than German ones, but they were hit a lot and tactics improved. It was their strength that beat them, not American gasoline. And with him and without him, nothing has changed significantly.
    no shells (50 percent of Soviet explosives during the war years can be safely attributed to American supplies and American raw materials for explosives. And some types of explosives in our country were practically produced in laboratory quantities!

    One can safely attribute 100 percent, but if not so boldly and not "some types" then the USSR, together with reserves at the beginning of the war, produced quite enough explosives for all needs and in the first place for artillery. If necessary, there was a readiness to produce more amatol, schneiderite, explosives from nitrate and kerosene, and so on, which were enough with a beaten track.
    + non-ferrous metals) for these offensive operations of the Red Army simply would not be!

    What non-ferrous metals were missing? By the way, the United States also lacked some or other non-ferrous metals or ore. They could also be imported from China, Turkey, Japan. Colored metals were also found as trophies. How much aluminum fell from German aircraft alone. Finally, they were replaced using steel, wood and others.
    Would stand up tightly somewhere on the Dnieper! Hungry, barefoot and undressed! (:) and even without buttons - they were also supplied in large quantities by the Americans!). There would have been no question of continuing the war without Lend-Lease "for a couple of months longer"! - It was just about continuing the war ...

    Is it late 1943? Before the surrender of the USSR hit only a couple of months? For example, by May 9, 1944, the USSR signs an act of unconditional surrender to Germany? Good historical unscientific fiction will turn out. I wish you success.
  • Edvid
    Edvid 12 December 2020 08: 53
    -1
    Without the help of the allies, and it began even before the lend-lease, at the end of 1941. (deliveries for payment from England and its dominions, in particular, Australia, New Zealand. Canada. The USSR would have lost with a high degree of probability. Forgotten that even the sky of Murmansk was defended by British fighter pilots already in 1941. lend-lease stream. For internal use, Soviet propaganda in every possible way belittled its significance. Germany would still lose. The monopoly winners would then be the United States with atomic weapons. But until that moment, Stalin would have lost millions of lives of Soviet soldiers. into the army of seventeen-year-old boys ... Look at the faces of our soldiers, August 1943. Manchuria ...
  • Edvid
    Edvid 12 December 2020 09: 07
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    Without the help of the allies, and it began even before the lend-lease, at the end of 1941. (deliveries for payment from England and its dominions, in particular, Australia, New Zealand. Canada. The USSR would have lost with a high degree of probability. Forgotten that even the sky of Murmansk was defended by British fighter pilots already in 1941. lend-lease stream. For internal use, Soviet propaganda in every possible way belittled its significance. Germany would still lose. The monopoly winners would then be the United States with atomic weapons. But until that moment, Stalin would have lost millions of lives of Soviet soldiers. into the army of seventeen-year-old boys ... Look at the faces of our soldiers, August 1943. Manchuria ...
    https://yadi.sk/i/2px-1bcrOrwvEA
  • Gregory Charnota
    Gregory Charnota 14 December 2020 19: 59
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    Zhukov said that without American gunpowder, there would be nothing to shoot at the Kursk Bulge!
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 17 December 2020 15: 07
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      Quote: Gregory Charnota
      Zhukov said that without American gunpowder, there would be nothing to shoot at the Kursk Bulge!

      Who?
      1. Gregory Charnota
        Gregory Charnota 19 December 2020 20: 26
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        in his interview! were you banned on google ??
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 20 December 2020 05: 37
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          And when did I graze the geese with you? So when was the interview then? And to whom? If not banned, then it probably won't be a source of work.