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"On the same rake." On Russia's relations with the West

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"Only a complete idiot steps on the same rake for the second time in a row."


This is popular wisdom. But in the case of our presidents, we have to make a correction - here's how to call people who step on the same rake three times in a row?

The first time


This is me about Russian foreign policy and, first of all, about our relations with the West in general and with the United States in particular. It started with Gorbachev. As we remember, Gorby was eager to make friends with America. So passionate that, as the then Secretary of State D. Schultz noted in his memoirs, he made concessions to the Americans that they did not even ask for.

Let's remember for example history with the liquidation of the Oka complex. According to Schultz, Gorbachev did it simply because he wanted to please the Americans. The Americans were surprised at this stupidity. But, of course, they willingly used it. And, of course, they were not going to give anything in return. And why on earth? A fool - he is a fool, it is a sin not to have one.

Note that since then Mikhail Sergeevich has not grown wiser one iota. He still says with insult that the Americans in words (!) Promised not to expand NATO to the east, and then deceived. The stupidity is amazing. Well, why would anyone keep promises that are unfavorable for themselves, if they can not be fulfilled without any consequences? There is absolutely no need. Yes, even if they were formalized, in the 90s these pieces of paper would fly into the basket.

Twice


Then a new leader began to rule us, overwhelmed by vanity, a thirst for power and a craving for alcohol. His foreign policy was initially determined by Kozyrev and the company, who proclaimed the slogan of strategic partnership with the United States. No more, no less. The fact that a partnership requires at least the consent of the prospective partner clearly did not bother them. Although I will not slander about their mental abilities. Considering their further career, it can be easily assumed that it was not stupidity that moved them, but an ordinary betrayal.

How were these ridiculous claims perceived in the United States? I think it's enough to quote M. McFaul, the then adviser to Clinton, and under Obama, the US ambassador to the Russian Federation:

"Russia was weak and could not be reckoned with."

Comments are superfluous, I suppose. Indeed, who would reckon with a crumbling, impoverished country humbly begging for handouts from the West? That's right, nobody. The only thing that really worried the "partners" was the fate of the Soviet nuclear weapons... They were dumbfounded by the prospect of his appearance in the hands of the devil, and, in fact, that is why they refrained from direct attempts to destroy Russia itself. And so, who knows what measures they would have dared to take? But the nuclear shield ultimately saved the country, albeit in a completely different way than its creators intended.

No, of course even the arrogant Clinton understood that it was necessary to sweeten the bitter pill. And he decided to flatter the close-minded but vain Yeltsin by offering him a seat on a side chair in the G-7. And it worked for a while. But after NATO's expansion to the east and the bombing of Yugoslavia, even Boris realized that they were simply wiping their feet on him. And he decided on a symbolic, but powerless and senseless protest. The throw of our paratroopers into Pristina only pleased the stubborn part of the Russian public, but, in fact, did not mean anything.

Three times


And then we had a new president, relatively young and energetic. And although, in my humble opinion, to Bismarck he was as to the Moon, at least he did not look as narrow-minded as his predecessors. And it seemed like I had to draw conclusions from their mistakes. But alas, he immediately began to step on the same rake, diligently imposing himself as friends on the Americans. I dreamed of partnership ... And according to the ridiculous Russian tradition, I staked on good personal relationships. Oh, how he was friends with Bush! We went to visit each other. However, it affected real politics a little less than nothing.

I will quote the then US Ambassador to Russia W. Burns:

“Putin initially misinterpreted America's interests and policies. The Bush administration had no desire or reason to give Russia anything in return for a partnership against al-Qaeda. Bush was not inclined to make concessions to a weak power. "

Of course, it's hard to admit your mistakes. And Putin has swallowed another NATO expansion. Now NATO planes were 10 minutes away from St. Petersburg. Something reached our guarantor much later, when the Americans raised the question of Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO. And the desperate Munich speech followed.

But even after it, the Kremlin behaved like a man falling from a hundred-story skyscraper. And to the speaker, flying through the fiftieth floor:

"Well, so far everything is going fine!"

Helicopter carriers were ordered in France, ship engines in Germany. Our satellites were equipped with American electronics. And nothing was done even for import substitution in the interests of the Armed Forces. The blow in the gut in 2014 was painful.

conclusions


What conclusions can be drawn from the above? Two completely obvious conclusions suggest themselves.

First, in the international arena, only strength matters. And you either have it or you don't. In the first case, your opponents will have to reckon with you, even if you are deeply unpleasant to them. In the second - at best, you will be dismissed as a fly. At worst, they will be declared an outcast and will begin to strangle in every way.

Secondly, for some reason, no one at the top, at least publicly, asks an elementary question:

"Does the West need a strong, rich, developed Russia?"

And the answer to this question is obvious:

"Of course no!"

Why do they need a competitor, and even civilizationally alien? Let me quote Burns again:

"America assumed that Moscow would eventually come to terms with the position of a junior partner and accept the expansion of NATO all the way to the Ukrainian borders."

And if we translate these words from diplomatic to normal, then the vision of the future Russia in Washington is simple - a raw material appendage, dependent, helpless, completely subordinate to the United States.

Does this mean that I am delighted with Putin's current foreign policy? Not at all. I will not guess on the coffee grounds, I do not enter the Kremlin. But a complete feeling is created that we simply do not have any reasonable, long-term policy. There is some kind of purely situational, chaotic response, and quite often in hindsight. And this is hardly an accident. Suffice it to recall how ineptly the fat petrodollars of the XNUMXs were wasted. When Putin ascended the throne, we did not have a single dollar billionaire, but now there are more than a hundred of them. And only a very few of them associate their future with Russia. At the same time, even a few economic successes of the past years are critically dependent on Western technologies. And they can easily turn off this tap “there”.

And the last thing. Surely in the comments they will say:

"And where did you get the idea that stupid people are sitting in the Kremlin, and you are very smart on your island?"

No, guys, I am far from thinking that I am an unrecognized prophet, and upstairs we have only fools. Although about people selected on the basis of personal loyalty, I would think about it. But I am sure that there are many in the corridors of power who clearly see the situation. But they are only guided not by the interests of the country, but by personal gain (whether it be a career one) or simply by the dream of “getting over the hill”. And this is really sad.

Although hope dies last.
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  1. aglet
    aglet 8 December 2020 10: 09
    -18%
    for some it takes a very long time. maybe because they live on Sakhalin?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 8 December 2020 10: 18
      +50
      No, guys, I am far from thinking that I am an unrecognized prophet, and upstairs we have only fools.

      Not fools, of course, just unprincipled, greedy people. To which the interests of the state, and therefore the people, do not care, they pursue their mercantile goals .. accordingly, nothing good can be expected.
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 8 December 2020 10: 35
        +8
        Quote: Svarog
        just unprincipled, greedy people. ...


        And you can't tell by their faces ... open Soviet faces ...




        1. Svarog
          Svarog 8 December 2020 10: 49
          +23
          And you can't tell by their faces ... open Soviet faces ...

          When the face is young, you cannot tell, but if you look at today's photos, then the vice on the face is clearly captured.
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 8 December 2020 11: 08
            -1
            Quote: Svarog
            but if you look at today's photos, then the defect on the face is clearly captured.


            I think that your photo today is also not without blemish ... bully

            yes, and every time you look at the old chronicle / photo and think about the open and smiling faces of the Soviet people - remember the photos I gave above ... laughing
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 8 December 2020 18: 41
              -6
              No, to say like Vysotsky's hero "No, guys, it's not like that. It's not like that, guys!" I will not: the author is right in many respects (especially about Gorbachev and Yeltsin). But about the third character, he is partially right and overly pessimistic in his conclusions. In my opinion.

              Without accusing ANYONE, I will quote part of my corrected, but unpublished article about guard patriotism:
              "There is also such a specific kind false patriotism as guard patriotism, which has become very popular recently. Its carriers and propagandists, it seems, are also patriots, they also seem to love Russia. In my own way. SAY that they love Russia. But, unlike real patriots, they love not today's Russia, but yesterday's and future. And today's Russia, its people and authorities that do not meet their requirements, they scold and criticize in every possible way. And in this they are very similar to internal emigrants. The main motto of the patriotic guard is fsopropalofsonetakvlastinete! While verbally speaking FOR Russia, in fact they are opposing Russia. Many Russian and foreign ill-wishers and enemies of Russia, employees of foreign special services, waging an information war against Russia are hiding among the patriotic sentries. "
              1. Poganini
                Poganini 8 December 2020 22: 42
                -5
                I wonder if you can somehow statistically classify this species into subspecies? What percentage works for little money, and what percentage does it work for congenital meagerness? Honestly, I can't even imagine a runaway thing. Admins could help a little by giving statistics on IP, but "patriots" on the salary will immediately start VPN-it. Although on many sites the people have already gone berserk from these sufferers for Russia and require countries to put flags.
              2. Sahalinets
                8 December 2020 22: 55
                +9
                And who are the real patriots? Those who blindly love power and everything it does?
                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 9 December 2020 06: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: Sahalinets
                  Who are the real patriots? Those who blindly love power

                  Of course not. Only those who only consider themselves a true guardian of the state, and the rest - a venal scum. And it doesn't matter that you yourself are not aware of what is being done, you are not interested in delving into state problems and the subtleties of their solutions. The main thing is that you position yourself as the most honest of the honest and for this you get the general approval of the same "honest". wassat Cave primitive, but tenacious. But we were once the most reading ... It's a shame.
                2. BecmepH
                  BecmepH 9 December 2020 11: 41
                  +7
                  Quote: Sahalinets
                  And who are the real patriots? Those who blindly love power and everything it does?

                  I agree with your conclusion.
                  A patriot is one who scolds his government and his country, but when a foreigner starts to do this, he gets in the face. Maybe so?
                3. Vladimir Mashkov
                  Vladimir Mashkov 9 December 2020 13: 15
                  0
                  Quote: Sahalinets
                  And who are the real patriots? Those who blindly love power and everything it does?

                  I wrote an article on the topic of patriotism (now I have a revised version of it awaiting publication), it was even published on VO. EVERYONE can see it in my profile. But many now not only don’t think, but they don’t even read the texts or skim through them, just jump over the headings and, on the basis of this, build their theories and draw conclusions. Therefore, I am publishing an excerpt from the article for everyone who does not understand who they are. real patriots, but famously thoughtlessly throws dislikes at me:

                  It so happened historically (geographical location, vast expanses, wars, revolutions, periods of devastation, restoration, stagnation) that Russia, being the largest country in the world and possessing huge natural wealth, has never been the most prosperous and comfortable for people to live. But, despite this, in Russia there has always been, is and I am sure that there will always be that majority of the resident population that is called the people of Russia... These are the people who, despite the natural and artificial, man-made flaws, difficulties, sometimes hardships (difficult, and in some places very harsh climate; labor, housing and domestic inconveniences sometimes; not always kind and attentive, and sometimes just a cruel attitude authorities and officials to the needs of ordinary people; sometimes injustice in wages, other absurdities and inconsistencies of Russian life), do not leave anywhere, do not run, but live and work in their country and for its sake (but not for the sake of temporary workers - officials and rulers!) ready for hardships, difficulties and even death in the time of defense of the Motherland. It - true patriots of Russia, its foundation, its strength. These are people of different nations and nationalities of the multinational Russian Federation, who in other countries are called briefly in one word - Russians.
                  1. Sahalinets
                    9 December 2020 13: 17
                    -1
                    In short, true patriots are obedient, wordless slaves, whom the authorities treat like cattle, and they are happy.
                    1. Pensive Lawyer
                      Pensive Lawyer 9 December 2020 17: 21
                      +3
                      How tired these flares are! Serfs, serfs ...
                      I may surprise many, but a person serves his state, and not vice versa. The big cannot serve the small. Your body does not serve every single cell.
                      Do you want to eat a lot and a high standard of living? What does the state have to do with it? You can only ask him for low salaries in medicine and education - yes, the claims are justified.
                      The rest 95% is paid by the uncles you work for. Spread out vacancies at XXshke with a salary of 25 rubles and the requirement of 000 years of experience is also uncle, not the state. They are greedy and have not been promoted for years either by their uncles.
                      What does the state have to do with it? You (I am too young, well, I could not participate in any way) voted in the referendum for capitalism. Well, get it and sign it! Don't want to work for a pittance? Either wait for a good job, or starve. There will be a bunch of you, there will be a shortage of specialists, salaries will rise, because business does not work without specialists. Supply and demand. And then there are more people with higher education than vacancies. That's all in the puddle. You cannot force a man to go to study to be a builder. As a result, a bunch of Tajiks are building a high-rise building with a salary of under 30 thousand, and all of us with higher education are managers and call center operators, half-time (fictitious) with a salary of 6 thousand plus a percentage of sales. But we do not work with pens.
                      Do many speak for greedy oligarchs with multimillion-dollar fortunes? Yes, we ourselves would be the same. Many people go to the end of the year to file a tax return and indicate in it income from all "covens" in order to pay personal income tax? No. Why should employers voluntarily tear off a piece of their income from their hearts by increasing the salaries of their employees? They also plow normally for the current one. But to pay personal income tax or raise the salary of an employee - the consequences for the person who make such a decision are the same, the scale is only different.
                      Do those in power deal with ordinary people like cattle? Yes, we provoke them ourselves, even encourage them. How? How many subscribers do many stars shower with feces on everyone whose income is less than 100 thousand per month (and we have the majority of them)? At the same Ivleeva, Borodina, Pasha Volya, Urgant? How many people watch them on the same insta? And they make money on it. On the fact that they tell people to their faces that they are empty space. And we subscribe and like in response. We go to concerts, watch shows with their participation. But we no longer need to drive them. And that concerts should be banned, the show should be closed. But we still walk and watch.
                      How do you order such people to be treated?

                      And all this is complemented by a layer of people who are dissatisfied with the government and talk about it. Nobody cares about them, like the elusive Joe. After all, they don't do anything to change something that they don't like. But they notify us all of their position. They criticize. They say that everyone THERE is bad, corrupt. Well, even if so, what? You won't influence anything, because you don't even try. Just scribble gloomy articles and spoil everyone's mood, by God.
                      All right, the meetings there were coordinated with the administration. Pickets. I approve of such people, even if I do not share their views. If everything is within the law, of course.

                      I understand that there will be a sea of ​​cons. After all, it is now fashionable to shake the air and threaten the sky with a fist. I understand that I will immediately be included in the list of "kremlebots". After all, everyone who sees not only the negative, but also the positive is either bots, or, as you said there, "obedient, wordless slaves, whom the authorities treat like cattle, and they are happy." That is, everyone who does not share your views and simply lives in their own country and does not want to go anywhere.

                      With the greatest disrespect (just because of this attitude towards ordinary people, your love / dislike for power does not bother me).
                      1. Sahalinets
                        9 December 2020 23: 04
                        -5
                        I may surprise many, but a person serves his state, and not vice versa.

                        Hmm ... purely servile logic.
                      2. Pensive Lawyer
                        Pensive Lawyer 10 December 2020 10: 51
                        +1
                        Purely servile logic of those who whine and do nothing, hanging labels on everyone around. Besides, how do you hope for the best doing something?
                        And where are the counterarguments? Tell us how the state should serve each individual citizen. People are priceless. Why then the armed forces, sometimes defending the interests of the state beyond its borders? Man is more important, why do not people die, do not understand how far from home for the sake of the interests of education, which should serve them? Are the interests of the state (something often rather amorphous and controversial) more important than people's lives?
                        Please stop looking at the world through the eyes of a maximalist teenager who has seen enough of American patriotic films. And stop dividing everything around into black and white. You remind us of this by the communication of our independent neighbors. And update the training manuals, the word "slave" of your brothers-trolls is immediately visible.
                      3. Sahalinets
                        10 December 2020 12: 48
                        +1
                        The state also lives with the taxes of each individual citizen. And for you, the notorious state actually owns people, you cannot name them citizens. You represent the state as the Horde of the time of Genghis Khan.
                        And yes, I work and pay pretty decent taxes. But according to your logic, I have no rights at all, but simply pay the bandits. And I do not want to live in such a state.
                        And you just amazingly coincided with Mussolini. He literally wrote the same thing. Read his article "The Ideology of Fascism", available online.
                      4. Pensive Lawyer
                        Pensive Lawyer 10 December 2020 16: 41
                        +3
                        The state does not own, the state and there are its citizens plus the territory. Since the territory cannot be the conductor of the will of the state, it is the population.
                        That is why I am talking about the fact that the state cannot serve a person. It can and should provide him with security, observance of inalienable rights, as far as possible, minimal living conditions. But this is the difference between capitalism and the same communism - communism, this "terrible" regime, having great control over each of its citizens, accordingly cares more about the minimum of life - it regulates wages, good pensions, tries to get free and high-quality medicine, is engaged in free education ...
                        Capitalism doesn't care. Don't kill, don't cut, don't rape? Well, take it out yourself, spin as you want. This I am exaggerated, but the direction of thoughts is.
                        If they lived under communism and people had problems with income, claims against the state would be justified.
                        But we have not the same regime, and it makes no sense to scold the cat for not being a dog. If you want control, vote for control. But there are also disadvantages.
                4. Sofa
                  Sofa 10 December 2020 09: 22
                  0
                  Doesn't the state ask the question by chance? And as you say, it is profitable for my uncle, he will pay 12 and there will be nothing to break. Here is the arithmetic why should he pay 000 if you can 25000, and this is the situation in many regions.
                5. Pensive Lawyer
                  Pensive Lawyer 10 December 2020 10: 35
                  -3
                  They will raise the minimum wage - they will take half the rate, a quarter of the rate, in order to pay less than the minimum wage.
                6. Sofa
                  Sofa 10 December 2020 11: 53
                  0
                  Just at this moment there should be state control, a minimum of 20000 is supposed to mean flesh, no means a fine, but now it turns out that an ordinary hard worker is the lowest, neither from the state, nor from the private trader, everything suits everyone, just not an ordinary citizen. money and control the business on the issue of salaries to employees and not take away from them with taxes, then you look the economy will come out of stagnation. Although half of the fund should be poured into the economy, but no one wants to do this, they are satisfied with everything there.
          2. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 9 December 2020 18: 58
            0
            Quote: Sahalinets
            In short, true patriots are obedient, wordless slaves, whom the authorities treat like cattle, and they are happy.

            There are people who do not understand, but there are those who doesn't want to understand... You are a real obstinate patriot-all-perpetrator guard.
            1. Sahalinets
              10 December 2020 01: 59
              +1
              Do you consider yourself a powerless cog and are happy? That's your business. But do not introduce this rot into other people's heads!
            2. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 10 December 2020 16: 17
              0
              Quote: Sahalinets
              Do you consider yourself a powerless cog and are happy? That's your business. But do not introduce this rot into other people's heads!

              Rot is your contempt for real patriots and for Russia itself... I feel sorry for you: you do not understand a lot, you measure everything only with money.
              And there is no need, kid, to impudently explain to an elderly uncle who has lived a long, long life what to do. Good?
            3. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 11 December 2020 13: 03
              0
              The authorities, officials, rulers are temporary workers. And Russia is eternal! And the real, true patriots of Russia (and not temporary workers) love Russia (not temporary workers), act, perform feats and sacrifice their lives for the sake of Russia, and not for the sake of rulers, awards or money. And whoever does not understand this or is unable to be a patriot is just a stupid or greedy redneck.
            4. cmax
              cmax 13 December 2020 22: 21
              +1
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              The authorities, officials, rulers are temporary workers. And Russia is eternal! And the real, true patriots of Russia (and not temporary workers) love Russia (not temporary workers), act, perform feats and sacrifice their lives for the sake of Russia, and not for the sake of rulers, awards or money. And whoever does not understand this or is unable to be a patriot is just a stupid or greedy redneck.

              This is all reminiscent of the statement that personality does not matter in history. Life (Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin) showed that this statement is not entirely true (Gorbachev alone did so much, he still hiccups. And it is still not clear what awaits us there. Therefore, as you wrote "Authorities, officials , rulers are temporary workers ", but they define the present Being.
            5. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 14 December 2020 11: 21
              0
              Personality matters in history! WHERE you saw my statement that this is NOT so - I don’t know! They attributed their statement to me - and let's refute it! laughing
            6. cmax
              cmax 14 December 2020 17: 01
              -1
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              Personality matters in history! WHERE you saw my statement that this is NOT so - I don’t know! They attributed their statement to me - and let's refute it! laughing

              The Soviet Union was also "eternal", before Gorbachev. Therefore, there may be no need to rush with eternal Russia. Who knows who will come to power next. A temporary worker in power can do so much. This is what I meant. Nothing more.
  • BecmepH
    BecmepH 9 December 2020 11: 36
    +4
    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
    And today's Russia, its people and authorities that do not meet their requirements, they scold and criticize in every possible way

    Strange logic ... In your opinion, I should praise what I do not like.
  • sleeve
    sleeve 9 December 2020 11: 38
    +1
    And the main thing is everything like 160 years ago. Under the "populists" and all sorts of intellectual "terror groups". The same Russia was loved. Another, not the one around. And this one was successfully rocked, drenched in blood for the sake of ideals. And how he exposed! In the current cynical age, for their speeches, the people would simply turn away as from windbag.
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 9 December 2020 13: 48
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
    No, to say like Vysotsky's hero "No, guys, it's not like that. It's not like that, guys!" I will not: the author is right in many respects (especially about Gorbachev and Yeltsin). But about the third character, he is partially right and overly pessimistic in his conclusions. In my opinion.

    Without accusing ANYONE, I will quote part of my corrected, but unpublished article about guard patriotism:
    "There is also such a specific kind false patriotism as guard patriotism, which has become very popular recently. Its carriers and propagandists, it seems, are also patriots, they also seem to love Russia. In my own way. SAY that they love Russia. But, unlike real patriots, they love not today's Russia, but yesterday's and future. And today's Russia, its people and authorities that do not meet their requirements, they scold and criticize in every possible way. And in this they are very similar to internal emigrants. The main motto of the patriotic guard is fsopropalofsonetakvlastinete! While verbally speaking FOR Russia, in fact they are opposing Russia. Many Russian and foreign ill-wishers and enemies of Russia, employees of foreign special services, waging an information war against Russia are hiding among the patriotic sentries. "

    I was thrown 13 dislikes for my comment. And I was glad. What? To the fact that it is not enough: I know perfectly well that the patriotic sentries are all scattered in VO much more. The fact that the rest turned out to be smarter and kinder than these 13. But who are these 13, these silent minusers? The most vicious? The stupidest? Inveterate ill-wishers of Russia and Russians? Or are they foreign "friends"? A riddle, the answer to which is known only in the editorial board of the VO, administrators, moderators, but, of course, they will not tell or share.
  • zenion
    zenion 9 December 2020 00: 08
    +7
    The Greek philosopher said - up to forty people wear the face that God gave him, after forty he wears his own face. There is an interesting anecdote about the rake. Three Indians and one Russian are sitting and playing cards, drinking beer. One of the Indians says I need to go there, leaves the room, the sound of a rake is heard. Then the second and third finally the Russian got up. One beat is heard, then a second beat, then a third beat. They sit and play further. Here Hawkeye says - only a pale-faced brother can step on a rake three times. But in general, Russia's policy resembles a dark barn, in which a lot of rakes are scattered. It is not surprising that Stalin, with an accuracy of 100%, declared what the fate of Russia would be when the pale-faced brothers seized upon it. But I've seen it funnier in real life. One friend pulled the donkey by the tail and the donkey hit him lightly with a hoof. Then he became interested in what he pushed me? He bent down and pulled the donkey by the tail again, then this donkey punched it in the chin and ear with two hooves. I had a face for this donkey, who wanted to understand what was happening in the clinic to sew up.
  • Machito
    Machito 8 December 2020 10: 55
    +31
    The administration of President Putin has been unable to formulate the Russian National Idea for twenty years. Where are we going?
    Just like in that joke: a group of terrorists seized the wine cellars of Massandra and for three days has not been able to formulate their demands.
  • Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev 8 December 2020 11: 03
    +14
    And you can't tell by their faces ... open Soviet faces ...


    And here I see not faces, but Disguises !!!
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 8 December 2020 11: 20
      -9
      Quote: Alexander Kopychev
      And you can't tell by their faces ... open Soviet faces ...


      And here I see not faces, but Disguises !!!

      perfectly! each artist sees in his own way.
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 8 December 2020 19: 34
      +10
      Quote: Alexander Kopychev
      And here I see not faces, but Disguises !!!

      and with my education I see not Masks, but Larvae of parasites laughing
  • Kart
    Kart 8 December 2020 11: 03
    +1
    But now we have a completely different matter!
    Opposition leaders, whoever you look at, are just an example of honesty, openness, kindness and philanthropy.
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 8 December 2020 13: 07
      +10
      Opposition leaders, whoever you look at

      See what is not .. however ..))
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 8 December 2020 13: 06
    +6
    Yes, Putin looks like a bandit since his youth ..
    Yeltsin instills more confidence ... even with his simplicity ...

    Years later, it turned out that way ..
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 8 December 2020 13: 40
      +10
      Three times
      And there are three leaders in the pictures ... Such a subtle, subtle hint! repeat I wouldn't have guessed that Vaska's cat had suggested! belay
  • ximkim
    ximkim 8 December 2020 15: 26
    -6
    The end product of the com regime.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 9 December 2020 12: 16
      +3
      Quote: ximkim
      The end product of the com regime.

      That regime was definitely not "communist". Since the 70s, the regime of dogmatic socialism or the hidden bourgeoisie reigned, which were: partocrats, trade workers, and others close to the distribution of the material product. Perestroika was their revolution !! smile
  • iouris
    iouris 8 December 2020 17: 06
    0
    Not similar, but there are some similarities.
  • Sofa
    Sofa 10 December 2020 09: 15
    -1
    They've read books about "democracy" laughing laughing laughing
  • Sahalinets
    8 December 2020 18: 03
    +8
    But in the hierarchical system, the tone is set at the very top.
    1. bayard
      bayard 9 December 2020 02: 58
      +5
      In real politics, the tone is set as rules by not dummy "hierarchs". The relatively prosperous period of Putin's rule (2005 - 2016) is due only to the fact that the new masters of Russia needed a stable state and society, since the redistribution of property was completed.
      Money loves silence ...
      So they organized a kind of "stability" with raising the standard of living to a relatively acceptable ... and over a hundred billionaires appeared.
      And then the external conditions changed.
      And there was not enough money for everyone.
      They began to "balance" the situation at the expense of the living standards of the population.
      After the "Pension Reform", awareness of the essence of what was happening began to seize the masses.
      Since the beginning of this year, the authorities have finally thrown off the masks of decency and morality and ... put muzzles on the People.
      It seems that she herself knows that she has little time ... and this is by no means the realization of "popular anger" and "retribution" ...
      It's just that those who consider themselves the real master knocked on them ... and those, tails between their legs, darted into the holes.
      And now they behave like broken robots with a lost program.
      And the glitch gets worse.

      At the same time, the Army was armed with glass swords - beautiful for a parade, but in a real battle ... they are not suitable.
      So it was under the useless Nikolai-2.
      1. Gaiful
        Gaiful 21 January 2021 01: 48
        0
        As a true humanist, do you think that nuclear parity with the United States speaks of arming the Russian army with glass swords? On the other hand, you may be right, because our strategic nuclear forces can only destroy all countries of the world ten times, unlike the US forces, which can do this more than 15 times.
        1. bayard
          bayard 21 January 2021 02: 43
          0
          Quote: Gaiful
          after all, our strategic nuclear forces can only destroy all countries of the world ten times, unlike the US forces, which can do this more than 15 times.

          Where did you get such statistics?
          Believe me, this is not at all the case. Such figures and ratios (although I would also argue with ratios) were correct for 1989 - that is, at the peak of the nuclear power of the superpowers. Then they really could.
          True, not 10 - 15 times each, these were already quotes from disarmament propagandists, to intimidate the inhabitants, but to destroy their main enemy, the countries of his military blocs (there was more than one), the satellite countries of your enemy and all his overseas bases ... ENOUGH.
          Moreover, it was necessary to look not only at the number of strategic delivery vehicles and warheads on them, but also at their power (!); Medium and shorter-range delivery vehicles, TNW on different delivery vehicles, anti-ship missiles with nuclear warheads, cruise missiles on submarines should also be taken into account (we have "Granat"), nuclear bombs, depth and bottom mines, nuclear artillery shells of 152 and 203 mm caliber. , aerial bombs, etc., etc., etc.
          For two, we with the United States had at least 25 thousand nuclear weapons.
          But most likely there were even more.
          And the capacity is 200 - 400 Kt. considered ... weak.
          Warheads from 600 Kt were the norm. up to 25 Mt.
          But there was also 32Mt of ammunition. , 50Mt, 100Mt. and even more . True, the last two ammunition belonged to the bottom land mines of the "Last Argument" - to wash the United States off the face of the North American continent.
          Then - YES.
          They could.

          And now ... after a whole series of stages of "disarmament" and "reduction" ... the Russian Federation and the United States each have 1550 warheads on strategic carriers.
          Medium and low power.
          From several tens to several hundred Kt. repeat
          Total ... request
          This is enough to cause unacceptable damage to the enemy ... If you did not miss the preemptive strike from him ...
          But for an unambiguous victory in the war, it is already LITTLE.
          And this is without taking into account the expenditure on its allies and satellites (let's say the TNW arsenal will go to them).
          To neutralize his military bases abroad.
          To neutralize his huge fleet on the high seas.

          We have no other means of war of this magnitude except nuclear weapons.
          If so, it should be ENOUGH for all possible needs.
          With the Land Forces of the Russian Federation numbering as much as 280 thousand people ... And this together with the rear, engineering and other auxiliary services ...
          True, there is also the Russian Guard - 350 thousand, but this is still something else. It has neither tanks nor artillery.
          Such an Army will fight a lot.
          But what about its weapons and combat equipment?
          New fighters of the 4+ generation were built and supplied to the troops. Good deal.
          True, not enough for such a length of borders, but ... how to give them target designation?
          Who will manage them?
          Ground controllers?
          And navigators from ground-based radars? smile
          Or is it AWACS aircraft ?!
          Do we have them?
          And how many are in stock?
          5, 6, maybe in this or in the future it will even become 7 ... in the A-50U version, whose characteristics are close to the E-3A "Sentry" model of the 80s.
          And - EVERYTHING!
          To the whole Endless and beloved Motherland.
          Simply more - NO!
          By 2008, about 20 A-50 of late Soviet construction remained from the USSR. In 2008, a program was adopted to modernize the A-50 to A-50U of all existing aircraft.
          And how is it performed / performed?
          6 (SIX!) A-50U for more than 12 years !!!
          More than two years for one plane !!!
          And this is taking into account that the prototype was ready in 2008 and was presented to the commission. No.
          How to detect and give target designation to the enemy's CD?
          If they are, by definition, low-altitude and ground-based radars ineffective for them?
          How to manage a war in the air with your fighter aircraft?
          Do we have air tankers?
          Not !
          The ones available even for long-range aviation are not enough.
          What can we say about tactical and naval aviation ...
          And the question IS NOT SOLVED!
          No, it is declared from time to time as a goal and a task, but ... sluggishly, indistinctly and irresponsibly.
          And therefore - NOT FULFILLED!

          I gave an example only on a few aviation problems, but such problems ... are great.
          The army of the Russian Federation is suitable for parades and for a war with an obviously much weaker enemy.
          Unfortunately this is the case .
          And that's why I call it "glass swords".
          In the early 90s, I came across an interesting book - a tale of the anger of what was happening, where there was a story about how the insidious Vizier, using the confidence of the stupid Tsar, entered into a criminal conspiracy with the enemy and armed the army with glass swords ... They shone so beautifully in parades .. but then the Enemy attacked, and ... The Army, despite its courage, heroism and loyalty, perished ... for the glass sword was enough for only one blow.
          Here is such a relevant today ... Fairy tale.
          "Fairy tale lies
          Yes, there is a hint in it
          Good fellows
          Lesson ".
  • Cuba
    Cuba 16 December 2020 07: 02
    0
    The trouble is that there are no statists at the top of the pyramid of our power .... their maximum task is to get higher, to the upper perch!
  • Gaiful
    Gaiful 21 January 2021 01: 36
    0
    It's nice to read a principled, not greedy person who cares about the interests of the people and the state more than their own mercantile goals. True knowledgeable people say that in modern Russia this is from the realm of fantasy. Not scientific, but out of girlish dreams and youthful urges.
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 8 December 2020 10: 25
    +21
    Quote: aglet
    for some it takes a very long time. maybe because they live on Sakhalin?

    Some people don't get it at all. A serious illness called "Nightingale of the Brain". Quite an adequate article, although not indisputable.
    1. Kart
      Kart 8 December 2020 10: 38
      -14%
      Fortunately, we have people like you who will explain everything to us all as it should.
      1. aglet
        aglet 9 December 2020 09: 13
        +6
        "Fortunately, we have people like you who will explain everything to us all as it should."
        Why bother a person, we have professional explainers, they will explain everything. gasoline rose in price, Putin explained why. the price of medicines went up - sands explained why. the bread went up - mishustin explained why. and so on. they cannot solve, but they can explain very well
        1. Kart
          Kart 9 December 2020 09: 16
          -7
          Well, why?
          He just explains it with all his might.
          It only does it badly, unconvincingly. otherwise the elections would have had completely different results.
          I wonder why it's bad?
          Not smart enough? Or is he just telling a lie?
    2. Sahalinets
      8 December 2020 16: 01
      +10
      I do not pretend to be the ultimate truth.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 8 December 2020 16: 15
        +5
        Quote: Sahalinets
        I do not pretend to be the ultimate truth.

        What is Truth? It's simple in math (true and false). Thank you for the article.
        1. Kart
          Kart 9 December 2020 09: 27
          -8
          True.
          It all depends on the position of the observer. The truth, including in mathematics, is only what the observer locally fixes at a specific point and specific conditions. And since at one point there can be no more than one observer, then the truth for each of them is different.
          To delirium ...
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 8 December 2020 10: 27
    +10
    purely situational, chaotic response

    Reminded Ogenry: "And then I began to fuss like a one-armed man suffering from nettle fever and gluing wallpaper" ...
    Land hi drinks
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 8 December 2020 13: 26
      +4
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      purely situational, chaotic response

      Reminded Ogenry: "And then I began to fuss like a one-armed man suffering from nettle fever and gluing wallpaper" ...
      Land hi drinks

      Wonderful quote, Vladimir, you need to re-read what is at home ... see your personal, please smile
  • Sayan
    Sayan 8 December 2020 10: 32
    -18%
    Quote: aglet
    for some it takes a very long time. maybe because they live on Sakhalin?

    Yes, he does not live on Sakhalin, but in Kuevo, otherwise he would have known how many billionaires there were before Putin came,
    1. Sahalinets
      8 December 2020 15: 33
      +10
      Forbes data.
  • Civil
    Civil 8 December 2020 10: 42
    +15
    There are a couple more points:
    1. The main contradiction between the West and Russia is that power in our country is always a bunch of evil scoundrels, because only such can get on the barrel, there is no democracy.
    2. That Yeltsin, that Gorbachev ... but the same Medvedev NEVER took into account the opinion and interests of the Russian people.
    3. There is a mutual feeling of disgust. Europeans despise Russians for their weak character and servility. The Russians despise the citizens of the West because the authorities told them to. For disrespect for autocratic power and state interests.
    Well, the West sees very well that the elite of Moscow prefers to live with them and, accordingly, treats Russia as a raw material "banana republic" of the 3 world. Accordingly, there is nothing to be afraid of.
    1. pyagomail.ru
      pyagomail.ru 8 December 2020 14: 40
      +1
      I recall the words, it seems, of Mitterrand: "What a pity that everyone who knows how to run the country already works as taxi drivers or loaders."
      1. Civil
        Civil 8 December 2020 15: 26
        +14
        Quote: pyagomail.ru
        I recall the words, it seems, of Mitterrand: "What a pity that everyone who knows how to run the country already works as taxi drivers or loaders."

        Better turnover ... what a pity that those who got hold of the steering wheel do not work as taxi drivers and loaders.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 8 December 2020 13: 22
    +7
    Quote: aglet
    for some it takes a very long time. maybe because they live on Sakhalin?

    Do not offend Sakhalin residents!


    ... Bush was not inclined to make concessions to a weak power. "

    Like any politician ...
    These words of the author must be framed ...
    ..and hang the most important thing in the office ...
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 8 December 2020 10: 10
    +8
    Why do they need a competitor, and even civilizationally alien?
    ... And the second ... The first they have already created exactly the same - the PRC, and do not know what to do with it. "Why do we need a blacksmith? Nooo, we don't need a blacksmith" (c)
  • Woodman
    Woodman 8 December 2020 10: 18
    +1
    Helicopter carriers were ordered in France,
    So this is already four times ...
    Initially, Russian Chief of the General Staff Nikolai Makarov announced the possible purchase of one Mistral-class universal amphibious assault ship in France and the construction of three more in Russia.

    On January 25, 2011, an intergovernmental agreement was signed on the purchase of two vessels. After six months of tense negotiations, a contract was signed between the French DCNS and Rosoboronexport worth € 1,2 billion.

    Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev President of the Russian Federation from May 7, 2008 to May 7, 2012.
    1. Sahalinets
      8 December 2020 15: 58
      +10
      Do you really think that Medvedev was the real president? This is the new Simeon Bekbulatovich! And even the face is similar!
  • Kart
    Kart 8 December 2020 10: 19
    -26%
    This is me about Russian foreign policy and, first of all, about our relations with the West in general and with the United States in particular. It started with Gorbachev.

    The first line is immediately untrue.
    Gorbachev is the policy of the USSR.
    There is no need to manipulate, once again weaving the word Russia into negative information.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 8 December 2020 10: 29
      +20
      Quote: Carte
      Gorbachev is the policy of the USSR.

      It was Gorbachev who created such a Russia, destroying the USSR and not preventing the emergence of Yeltsin and his ilk.
      Quote: Carte
      There is no need to manipulate, once again weaving the word Russia into negative information.

      So don't manipulate.
      1. Kart
        Kart 8 December 2020 10: 40
        -17%
        It is he, yes.
        A prominent communist, an experienced Soviet manager, with the Best Soviet education in the world.
        How did it happen? Probably the enemies have turned on.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 8 December 2020 19: 00
          +7
          Quote: Carte
          The most prominent communist,

          So Putin also was a member of the CPSU, and did not leave it. wink
          1. Kart
            Kart 9 December 2020 09: 43
            -10%
            This is how Putin runs the country, and has not ruined it and is not going to.
            Unlike Gorbachev.
            It turns out that Putin is just a real communist.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 9 December 2020 15: 38
              +5
              Quote: Carte
              This is how Putin runs the country, and has not destroyed it and is not going to

              Well, of course, the tsar, as always, has nothing to do with it, the boyars are to blame! good
              Keep on burning, the salaries of the trolls will be indexed in a timely manner, unlike pensions and salaries of actually working people. wassat
      2. Gaiful
        Gaiful 21 January 2021 01: 59
        0
        Yeltsin and others like him are popularly elected subjects of power and Gorbachev, as a great lover of democracy, could not and did not want to go against these popularly elected subjects.
  • sleeve
    sleeve 8 December 2020 10: 22
    +4
    And I liked it. Especially this: "I am not a prophet and further from the thought that fools are sitting in the Kremlin." Well, actually, that article is about that. Obviously, the author knows some kind of recipe for a way out of the situation of rot, which we received, having stopped bowing and persuading. Perhaps it implies a multiple increase in the meager military budget in order to quickly "become strong"? Well, then maybe just give up, since Burns is right? Or change Putin and everything is fine? The author prophesies something mysterious, vague ... Well, how does he prophesy? He states what is happening, but for some reason he claims, probably, that this is the result of continuing rapprochement. And what is in the "contro" section after all? Hot option?
    1. Kart
      Kart 8 December 2020 10: 31
      -17%
      So he predicts something based on information made up on the Internet
      Suffice it to recall how ineptly the fat petrodollars of the XNUMXs were wasted. When Putin ascended the throne, we did not have a single dollar billionaire, but now there are more than a hundred of them.

      Well, you can remember what the country looked like in the early XNUMXs, and go outside and see how it looks now. Drive along the roads of the country. Nothing close to resembling all the kralivs has disappeared.
      And another elementary consideration - judging by the growing intensity of anger on the part of the "partners", it is already obvious that Russia's competitiveness is growing, and it is not growing so slowly.
      1. Sahalinets
        8 December 2020 15: 10
        +15
        Yes, competitiveness is not growing. Just take a look at this graph.

        As for our ability to influence the oil market - I think the Saudis have explained to us everything recently.
      2. Gaiful
        Gaiful 21 January 2021 02: 05
        0
        You have expressed a simple truth known to all. But in Internet forums based on the thoughts and statements of narrow-minded people, you will sharply lower your rating with this truth. Our people do not need the truth, they are quite satisfied with a pleasant half-truth and easy casual chatter.
    2. aglet
      aglet 8 December 2020 10: 47
      +12
      "Obviously, the author knows some recipe for a way out of the situation of rot, which we received, having stopped bowing and persuading"
      and where did we stop "bowing and persuading"?
      oh yes, I forgot, Putin did not congratulate the amerikos. this is really an act
      "What's in the" contro "section after all? A hot version?
      why so fast? maybe, at first, try to restore the sovereignty of his country? to eliminate the complete dependence on the dollar, and to store money for the sale of the homeland in domestic banks, and not export it to the enemies? and it is necessary to thin out the ilk for a long time, right up to nationalization. there are still options, there are. but with the hot option it can end very badly - the wrong country, the wrong people, and, most importantly, the wrong leadership. Putin understands this, and therefore tolerates everything from everyone, from Estonia to Turkey. or rather, ending with nothing. and inside the country he has not been perceived as a leader for a long time, an old man sits in a bunker, and let him sit, anyway, does not bother anyone in anything. so I couldn't cope with the Chubaiser, I gave him a sinecure
    3. demo
      demo 8 December 2020 14: 38
      +13
      Sorry to get into your debate.
      Perhaps it implies a multiple increase in the meager military budget in order to quickly "become strong"?
      Oddly enough, the size of the military budget does not determine the power of the state.
      S. Korea, unlike us, has a more than modest military budget.
      But all the belligerent inclinations were swept aside quickly and with minimal costs.
      In Russian it sounds like this - move away, otherwise I will hit you in the snout.
      And the "hegemon" set his tail between his legs.
      And why?
      Yes, because in the government of S. Korea there is no "fifth column", with their household members, wives, mistresses, dogs, cats, etc.
      Those. there are no those who live and enjoy the benefits of "Western civilization".

      And in our country, members of the State Duma, the Federation Council, and the Government quite often have two or three citizenships, except for Russian.
      Why do they need dual citizenship?
      Dispersal field!
      No one considers their life and their fate in the context of the fate of their homeland.
      Therefore, not a single "Kremlin thinker" has yet formulated a national idea in our country.
      But why?
      Let the flock graze peacefully on the lawn until either a shepherd arrives, who will drive the flock in his direction, or a butcher.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 8 December 2020 19: 39
        +1
        Quote: demo
        Let the flock graze peacefully on the lawn until either a shepherd arrives, who will drive the flock in his direction, or a butcher.

        or the leader .....
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 9 December 2020 00: 53
          +2
          Quote: aybolyt678
          Quote: demo
          Let the flock graze peacefully on the lawn until either a shepherd arrives, who will drive the flock in his direction, or a butcher.

          or the leader .....

          I read somewhere that Kozl is put as a leader in a herd of rams.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 9 December 2020 08: 35
            +1
            Quote: Nagan
            I read somewhere that Kozl is put as a leader in a herd of rams.

            at the meat processing plants there is a staff member who leads them to the slaughter ... he saves himself, there is a hole for him, and the rest for meat. That is why the word in Russian is negative.
    4. Sahalinets
      8 December 2020 15: 04
      +15
      Unfortunately, I have no magic recipe. But the solution to any problem begins with an awareness of its real scale. And here, in my opinion, they wander in a kind of fog and believe in something incomprehensible.
    5. Sahalinets
      8 December 2020 15: 35
      +12
      For a start, you must at least get rid of illusions.
    6. Icarus
      Icarus 8 December 2020 20: 18
      +5
      sleeve (maxim). And I liked it. Especially this: "I am not a prophet and further from the thought that fools are sitting in the Kremlin." Well, actually, that article is about that. Obviously, the author knows some kind of recipe for a way out of the situation of rot, which we received, having stopped bowing and persuading. Perhaps it implies a multiple increase in the meager military budget in order to quickly "become strong"? Well, then maybe just give up, since Burns is right? Or change Putin and everything is fine? The author prophesies something mysterious, vague ... Well, how does he prophesy? He states what is happening, but for some reason he asserts, probably, that this is the result of the continuation of rapprochement. And what is in the "contro" section after all? Hot option?

      The author, in my opinion, is right. To survive as a sovereign power, you need to become strong. And under the existing structure and external circumstances, in order to become strong, it is necessary, at least for a while, to return the country to a mobilization economy, retreating for some time from market relations in the main sectors - in the industrial sector, due to the nationalization of raw materials. If Putin is capable of doing this, then let him do it. True, for this he will have to shake his "fellow countrymen". But judging by the appointment of Chubais to the next post, he is guided by other interests in his decisions.
  • Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 8 December 2020 10: 26
    -13%
    Nice ... Taki Cho suggests the author ... Declare a vendetta, or "Katz suggests surrender." Sometimes it’s not possible to put things in order in our apartment, but to govern the state, - we can (or can), or can, or so, went out to be good ... laughing
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 8 December 2020 10: 34
      +8
      Quote: Mykhalych
      Nice ... Taki Cho suggests the author ... Declare a vendetta, or "Katz suggests surrender." Sometimes it’s not possible to put things in order in our apartment, but to manage the state, - we can

      The author only "states the facts", but to the question "What to do?" everyone has to answer for himself.
      1. Kart
        Kart 8 December 2020 10: 42
        -14%
        Can you tell me?
        Because as soon as you declare specific goals and ways to achieve them, it becomes immediately clear to the rest that you are, who you are, and where you want to lead everything.
        Well, you have to start somewhere?
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 8 December 2020 11: 53
          +7
          Quote: Carte
          Well, you have to start somewhere?

          You need to start by educating yourself.
          1. Kart
            Kart 9 December 2020 09: 53
            -4
            Okay, I'll start.
            So I am not alone here, go and educated a lot.
            Will you tell your goals and methods? Well, at least for them?
      2. Mykhalych
        Mykhalych 8 December 2020 10: 59
        -16%
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        The author only "states the facts"

        It is strange that the author did not remember the Return of Crimea to Russia. Or is it not an essential fact in foreign policy for you. And "Zircon", "Poseidon", this is also so-so nothing ... Negative can always be found.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 8 December 2020 12: 06
          +18
          Quote: Mykhalych
          It is strange that the author did not remember the Return of Crimea to Russia. Or is it not an essential fact in foreign policy for you.

          Let's just say that Russia took Crimea, but lost all of Ukraine for a long time. I recognized the Bandera-fascist regime, the LPNR, I don't want to write for them. All the events in Ukraine are Russia's foreign policy miscalculation. If Russia could create a union state of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, with one currency, one border, then yes, it would be a success.
          Quote: Mykhalych
          And "Zircon", "Poseidon", this is also so-so nothing ...

          I do not even ask if they are in the troops. I'm only saying that weapons are always just a tool. Money is the blood of war. The Armed Forces is a derivative of the economy, and it "shows negative growth", and defense spending is being cut. That's what's bad. And the fact that there are new types of weapons is of course good. Good but not enough.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 8 December 2020 13: 38
            +4
            ... lost all of Ukraine for a long time ...
            Only relatively recently did it begin to dawn on me how often we all transfer our expectations to the USSR — to Russia.
            And these are two big differences. Think about it. It could not be otherwise. This also applies to the rest of the republics. There is no socialism and socialist republics. The capitalist countries cannot have such a Union, and no other country in the world exists, based on the past.
            1. Raven 95
              Raven 95 8 December 2020 14: 17
              +11
              Quote: Reptiloid
              ... lost all of Ukraine for a long time ...
              Only relatively recently did it begin to dawn on me how often we all transfer our expectations to the USSR — to Russia.
              And these are two big differences. Think about it. It could not be otherwise. This also applies to the rest of the republics. There is no socialism and socialist republics. The capitalist countries cannot have such a Union, and no other country in the world exists, based on the past.

              Take a broader look. When did Russia have the largest territory? With Alaska, Finland and all sorts of Poland in the composition? 1000 years, Russia has been growing in territories, and only thanks to gr. Gorbachev M.S. Born in 1931, previously not convicted, the country lost 30% of the territory and half of the population.
              This sad historical event happened when the communists were in power, or those who simply called themselves communists. It is a fact.
              And from this it is concluded that the unity of the country does not depend on the socio-economic formation.
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 8 December 2020 16: 06
                +6
                Quote: Raven-95
                This sad historical event happened when the communists were in power, or those who simply called themselves communists. It is a fact.

                This sad historical event happened when traitors were in power, don't care what they called themselves, or do you want to call Vlasov a communist, not a traitor? Exactly the same traitor can be called Krasnov, or Mazepa, and no matter what they called themselves.
                Quote: Raven-95
                Take a broader look. When did Russia have the largest territory?

                Quote: Raven-95
                Take a broader look. When did Russia have the largest territory?

                In the Mongol Empire, being part of the Jochi ulus. Joke. It's not about the territory, is Central Asia Russia? However, under the USSR, all republics were equal members of one state.
                Quote: Raven-95
                And from this it is concluded that the unity of the country does not depend on the socio-economic formation.

                Mono-national yes, multinational no.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 8 December 2020 17: 21
                  +5
                  The task of destroying the Republic of Ingushetia was set even before 1917. Like the Austro-Hungarian monarchy and 2 more. How differently the upper ones behaved. Nikolai2 did not think about the Republic of Ingushetia at all. The VKPB saved the country.
            2. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 8 December 2020 16: 23
              +6
              hi
              Quote: Reptiloid
              Only relatively recently did it begin to dawn on me how often we all transfer our expectations to the USSR — to Russia.
              And these are two big differences ...

              This is just understandable, a few years ago I still hoped for some kind of unification in the post-Soviet space, such as the UES. However, apparently the post-Soviet oligarchs are too greedy and stupid for this. I am afraid that further cooling of relations with all post-Soviet republics awaits us. For Russia is too weak economically to absorb or subjugate them.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 8 December 2020 17: 06
                +2
                ..... this is just clear .....
                understandably, but not for everyone. You see, and 25 years or more, and you did not understand. That is, both you and I understood only after 30 years of post-Soviet reforms. And how many more people are sadly asking --- how is that? That is, this was not in the project at all, it was just words. And how many words and promises do people still carry on? At the same time, accusing someone who believed in a hunchback and drunk, someone else also scoffs, saying hurtful words, but what is the project of the future .......
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 8 December 2020 17: 53
                  +2
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  understandably, but not for everyone. You see, and 25 years or more, and you did not understand. That is, both you and I understood only after 30 years of post-Soviet reforms. And how many more people are sadly asking --- how is that?

                  The inertia of thinking is a great thing. The barbarians who captured Rome did not know that the Roman Empire had fallen. They believed that they were now in charge of it.
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  And how many words and promises do people still carry on?

                  "People have always been and always will be stupid victims of deception and self-deception in politics, until they learn to seek out the interests of certain classes behind any moral, religious, political, social phrases, statements, promises." IN AND. Lenin.
                  What can be added here? Here a new "leftist" Prilepin party was formed. Positions itself as a leftist, and nevertheless its members participated in the detention of Nightingale (according to Semin), how far is it left? The same left as the NSDLP? And there will be more and more such movements.
              2. Icarus
                Icarus 8 December 2020 21: 04
                +3
                For Russia is too weak economically to absorb or subjugate them.
                This issue is not just about a strong economy. It is necessary that the system itself in the country be attractive and promising not only economically, but also politically (management system), ideologically. Most importantly, I think, for most people it is important that social elevators work and there is an opportunity to achieve economic (political) benefits for those who have the appropriate abilities or in accordance with the cost of labor, and not the distribution of benefits and positions (capitals) according to the principle of nepotism , personally devoted to a previous job (service), illegitimate and natural daughters, etc. (there is one word for all this - corruption). If we can build a system that excludes (at the highest level in the first place) corruption and nepotism, providing social lifts, then the economy will grow and will integrate with us. Unification with other states (now they are called that) on the principles of "absorption" or "subordination" will it be productive and rational? Do we need it? So that at the next turn of history someone again began to bleat about the occupation? What can we say about other republics, if even Russian "non-citizens" from the Tribaltic, for the most part, did not immigrate back to Russia. So far, most of the initiative people are not comfortable here, they did not intersect in life with the president (minister, top manager ...), in his youth.
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 8 December 2020 21: 08
                  +1
                  Quote: Icarus
                  This is not just about a strong economy ....

                  There is nothing to argue with, everything is so. Only the "top" do not want to build such a state. RI, late 19th century, was chosen as an example to follow.
        2. aglet
          aglet 9 December 2020 13: 01
          -1
          "It is strange that the author did not remember the Return of Crimea to Russia"
          and what did it give Crimea, and what did it give Russia?
          "And" Zircon "," Poseidon ", this is also so-so nothing ... Negative can always be found."
          and what did it give you personally?
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 8 December 2020 10: 33
    -4
    Again philistine whining, platitudes, cliches given out from some kind of fright for own conclusions.... At least one lousy, but fresh thought - no, gum chewed by the gums. Walking the propaganda rake. What did the starter want to say with his sob?
    1. Kart
      Kart 8 December 2020 10: 45
      -9
      What he wanted he said.
      As it is accepted among them, the essence of the article is simple - the damned wrong oligarchs have "stolen everything", the last hedgehogs have eaten, the country has been destroyed to the ground (back in the early XNUMXs) and you have to get off the couch, take away everything from them, the damned oligarchs, and give it to us - the right ones.
      And then, as it is not difficult to guess, the milk rivers of social justice will immediately flow in the beautifully ideological banks.
      1. Sahalinets
        8 December 2020 15: 43
        +10
        They decided everything for me ... laughing
        1. Kart
          Kart 9 December 2020 10: 02
          -7
          Well, why twist your fingers there.
          Let's put it bluntly and openly to each other - all these half-foggy hints of complete failure, sighs and oohs are already beginning to irritate those who work and live in the country.
          They are needed only by the sectarians in the struggle against the regime, once again they will be convinced of their sectarian rightness.
          By the way, they were just expected to be led in round dances, and the whole gang together put cons to those who disagree with their position, of course the only correct one.
          And I, in turn, vainly entered into a "discussion" with them.
          It's like arguing with the TV.
          But sometimes, sometimes, all these ideological dances with tambourines around a nonexistent country as support for the destruction of a real country become unbearable.
          1. Sahalinets
            9 December 2020 10: 07
            +3
            Continue to pray for the Putin icon.
            1. Kart
              Kart 9 December 2020 11: 13
              -4
              I do not have any icons of Putin, and no one has them and cannot have them.
              And creating icons of invented leaders and values ​​(which have never existed in this form anywhere) is even less worthwhile.
              Moreover, with the aim of destroying the country.
              Moreover, the creation of this "social" cadaver is so obvious that it can only convince those who are not too distant, to whom the state would only need "everything".
              These are the ones who pray.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 8 December 2020 10: 36
    -5
    Power everywhere thinks only of itself. Examples range from traditional "Deep State" puppets, called "presidents" in the US, to Berlusconi's mafiosi. There is such a thing - the country should be led by those who will not be accepted in the West. Shoigu, for example, will not be accepted, of course, he captured the Crimea. But Navlny ... Or Grudinin ...
    Therefore, they will think about themselves, and so on. they live only in the Russian Federation - they will have to develop the country at least a little. Any other options will ruin the country. Even the best of the options will be like the United States now, which Biden has already clearly sold to transnational corporations.
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 8 December 2020 10: 48
      -10%
      Tfu, he said clumsily. In a sense, such as Shoigu - will have to DEVELOP the country, what nafig do not need the Sternin or Yeltsman
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 8 December 2020 11: 04
      +6
      Quote: Cowbra
      Shoigu, for example, will not be accepted

      funny logic. Therefore, we will choose a leader according to his anti-rating in the West - the lower the better. Enchanting. Not a damn thing changes - mental imperatives are strong, you still want the Master, the face in the portrait, personifying power and strength. Fake Stalin.
      Quote: Cowbra
      Even the best of the options will be of the US type

      will not be. In the United States, the system works regardless of the quality and composition of the policy. Whether Trump, Biden, some rapper, or one of the triad bosses in the White House, that's really shit. And in our country, if you like this "rake-off" metaphor, everything closes in on one person who builds his own system, which, of course, with the departure of the leader, becomes unviable and is transformed by the former confidants already "for themselves." Rake.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 8 December 2020 11: 15
        0
        What is working? Voluntary self-isolation, quiet extinction in the absence of health care, completely liquidated real production. or lack of education as such? You sing songs about America of the 40s - 50s, forgetting that it is not the same for a long time.
        And about the owner. If you still do not understand that the ability to manage is also a profession, and not everyone is suitable for it, and those who have not studied are definitely not suitable, I am sorry for you. If you caught from my post only the owner invented by you - I am doubly sorry for you. If you do not understand that any power always and everywhere thinks only of itself, then now I will burst into tears. laughing
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 8 December 2020 11: 25
          +4
          Quote: Cowbra
          If you do not understand that any power always and everywhere thinks only of itself

          and I did not argue with this thesis. But for some who have sat in power, this takes the form of pathology. How else to explain how they cling to their briefcases and chairs with blue fingers? Without me here, they say, everything will go to the bottom, ay-ay-ay ...
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 8 December 2020 22: 37
            -1
            Reflex. You created, and worked according to the principle "if you want it done. Do it yourself as needed!" - and you plow it all the way. You yourself will not see that it's time to go to the dump. Well, you won't see!
    3. tatra
      tatra 8 December 2020 13: 14
      0
      Well, Navalny is "of the same blood" with the Russian enemies of the Communists in power and for power, but why did they drag Grudinin? Name just one example when the anti-Soviet-Russophobic West was for the communists and their supporters?
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 8 December 2020 13: 47
        -5
        He is as much a communist as I am a ballerina. Together with the entire Communist Party. And the electorate is appropriate. These are the same bulk, but older, from a tribe that sucks to live everywhere. They were the ones who wanted 200 varieties of sausage, now they are crying about free medicine, they will give medicine - they will again howl about sausage. What they have in common with the bulk is that they don't want to do anything. Is Grudinin a communist? Well, he had the opportunity to help his electorate in a communist way during self-isolation, for example, he could make a factory for sewing masks out of them - did he? These are the same bulk - only they can shout that everything is bad and destroy the country, just like the bulk
        And when the West was for the communists - so I will call you Pol Pot and Nixon's visit to the PRC, but they were for the communists, even if you burst!
      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 8 December 2020 22: 42
        0
        ... when the anti-Soviet-Russophobic West was for the communists and their supporters?

        laughing
        No, by golly, auntie, you burn with napalm. Communist friends applaud liquid?
    4. Terenin
      Terenin 8 December 2020 15: 09
      +4
      Quote: Cowbra
      Even the best of the options will be like the United States now, which Biden has already clearly sold to transnational corporations.

      Absolutely.
      It is for transnational corporations that it is beneficial to put in power such "intellectuals" as Biden, Zelensky, Tikhanovskaya ... who, in the next stage and in bulk, will surrender their countries to transnational corporations.
    5. aglet
      aglet 9 December 2020 13: 08
      0
      "There is such a thing - the country should be led by those who will not be accepted in the West. For example, Shoigu will not be accepted, how did he seize Crimea."
      are you sure he won't be accepted there? how did he deserve it? and what can he develop, firefighters from the Ministry of Emergency Situations, or the Arctic military district?
  • Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev 8 December 2020 10: 48
    +3
    Although hope dies last.

    The author worries about the Kremlin, but forgot about the People, whose rake was stepped on by Batu, Napoleon and Adolf !!! Putin does not deserve the protection of the People, but what next?
    1. Sahalinets
      8 December 2020 15: 20
      +5
      And the people do not really decide anything. The quality of the country's governance critically depends on the quality of the political elite. And there are big questions for her.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 8 December 2020 21: 25
        +1
        Exactly. But even so - it makes sense. If now I stand up as a vigorous gogol, this is such a bird, a waterfowl ... And as a representative of the people, I will start to decide in the form of a deputy, or the head of the administration, and that seems normal. There are also successful actors Reagans in history, stupid Schwarzenegger meat, and then - but the problem is that they were - an exception in the aquarium, jerk left and right - will be eaten. Accept the rules honed over the centuries. And we have exactly the elite - no. The apparatus has been liquidated, and rightly so, a new one ... Nouveau riche is not a Russian word, in fact the entire elite of France is now nouveau riche, we have passed the stage of primordial wild capitalism ... But the elite has not yet formed.
        The above is not my opinion. Subject name political science
    2. aglet
      aglet 9 December 2020 13: 10
      0
      "The author is worried about the Kremlin, but forgot about the People, whose rake was stepped on by Batu, Napoleon and Adolf !!!"
      and the Pechenegs ?? !! you forgot about the Pechenegs. but in general, if there is a war, then there will be no war, people are tired
  • igorra
    igorra 8 December 2020 11: 00
    +3
    Ah, as always Putin is to blame. He came and gave birth to billionaires out of the blue. We have relaxed over the last calm years, no one wants to remember the dashing 90s. What, it was necessary to chop off heads, to put Russia on its hind legs? Who would just give the stolen? Was there no import substitution? And why did everyone rush to buy foreign cars and everything imported, who called the ruble a wooden one, and the USSR a scoop? On figs need a refrigerator Smolensk (working 29 years without breakdown and replaced and brought to the dacha only because of the increase in the family), when a neighbor Bosch poke a hunt in the face. Who chased after rags from over the hill and killed the last glimpses of light industry? Fucked up petrodollars? And what would the author eat if not for these petrodollars, because he gave his money to producers in other countries? Why did none of those criticizing Putin go with him to galleys, even local ones, but galleys? Everyone wanted to eat sweetly, closing their eyes to various chaos in the country, and even without going to the polls. Do not consider the rulers fools, even if the elections are "correctly counted", they still present the real picture and draw conclusions. Putin is far from Lukashenko.
    P.S. Never a fanatic of Putin, but for the pension reform, one wish that they would be buried behind the church fence, but he is used to realistically evaluating a person by his deeds, sifting out emotions and husks.
    1. Alexander Kopychev
      Alexander Kopychev 8 December 2020 11: 10
      +4
      Quote: igorra
      P.S. Never a fanatic of Putin, but for the pension reform, one wish that they would be buried behind the church fence, but he is used to realistically evaluating a person by his deeds, sifting out emotions and husks.

      I agree that Putin is not an empty place, only he has not earned the Respect of the People ...
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 8 December 2020 11: 16
        0
        Quote: Alexander Kopychev
        only the Respect of the People did not deserve ...

        Isn't it time to get used to the fact that the president is just an elected official, temporary administrator and custodian of the nuclear button? Enough to think in terms of autarky and empires - "father of the nation", "hope of the people", "if not he, then who?", "Master of the country."
        1. Alexander Kopychev
          Alexander Kopychev 8 December 2020 11: 35
          +6
          Yes, I don't seem to think of autarchy. I write directly that I do not respect. And where can we find Ilyich and Vissarinovich - that's the question!
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 8 December 2020 11: 53
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Kopychev
            Yes, I don't seem to think of autarchy.

            Yes? and what are you going to look for "the same, but without wings" (c)
            Quote: Alexander Kopychev
            And where can we find Ilyich and Vissarinovich - that's the question!


            1. Alexander Kopychev
              Alexander Kopychev 8 December 2020 11: 58
              +3
              Don't be angry Epitafievich !!! Respected these people !!! I respect !!! And I will Respect !!! hi
              1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 8 December 2020 12: 04
                -10%
                Quote: Alexander Kopychev
                Don't be angry Epitafievich !!!

                Yes, my God) Each vegetable has its own season. The Ilyichi and the Vissarionichi are a historical mothballs and an object of endless discussions leading nowhere.
                1. Alexander Kopychev
                  Alexander Kopychev 8 December 2020 12: 24
                  +6
                  the object of endless, leading nowhere discussions.


                  Exactly!!! That is why I try to keep quiet, because to no purpose ... But it was a shame about naphthalene - you shouldn't be so. it lumps in history.
                  1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 8 December 2020 12: 27
                    0
                    Quote: Alexander Kopychev
                    These are lumps in history.

                    but who can argue? The 20th century was generally marked by a whole galaxy of great and conventionally great personalities who pushed the cart of world history. Okay - not mothballs, good. Bronze, granite ... brick wall? laughing
                    1. Alexander Kopychev
                      Alexander Kopychev 8 December 2020 13: 11
                      +2
                      Here you can not, Epitaphyvich without satire, I apologize for YOU. I choose Granite from your Epitaphs ... And I beg your pardon for poking again ... hi
                      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 8 December 2020 13: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Kopychev
                        And I apologize for poking again ...

                        yes to me exactly, I do not pretend.
                      2. Alexander Kopychev
                        Alexander Kopychev 8 December 2020 13: 21
                        -1
                        Thank you, I understood everything and deeply respect !!! hi hi hi
            2. tatra
              tatra 8 December 2020 13: 20
              0
              And the monstrosity of the enemies of Lenin and Stalin on the territory of the USSR also lies in the fact that their goal in general is to RETRACT from the people of all the great people of the country. Classic behavior of occupiers and colonialists.
              1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 8 December 2020 13: 34
                -4
                Quote: tatra
                also in the fact that their goal is to RETRACT all the great people of the country from the people.

                BOYS (ripping out)
                Fit!
                (They run away to the women.)
                YURODY (crying)
                Ah! AND! You have offended the Holy Fool!
                Ah! They took away a pretty penny!
                Ah! Ah!
                (C)
                laughing
                1. Alexander Kopychev
                  Alexander Kopychev 8 December 2020 14: 35
                  0
                  They took away a penny ... it's not funny.
                  1. Kart
                    Kart 9 December 2020 12: 06
                    -1
                    Here is another.
                    They (the "communists") claim that only they have great people. That no one can be great without being a communist. (See "An anti-Soviet is always a Russophobe").
                    This is such a sectarian morality, absolutely the same as that of adherents of religious cults, LGBT people, communists, anarchists, and others.
                    The only thing they are able to do, all these sects, is to destroy everything around them, and due to this, create well-being for the leadership and members of their sect. And even then not to everyone, and not for long.
                    While they sit in their burrows and basements - let them sit.
      2. Roman070280
        Roman070280 8 December 2020 13: 15
        +4
        Isn't it time to get used to the fact that the president is just an elected official, temporary administrator and

        Putin will never get used to it ..))
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 8 December 2020 13: 22
          +2
          Quote: Roman070280
          Putin will never get used to it ..))

          naturally. He will be taken from power immediately on a gun carriage across the Red Square to the newly dug one. The country, of course, will not cry together, but the slender and loud sobs of the "inner circle" through the notes of the funebra march will be heard clearly, I suppose laughing A benefactor for a handful of friends, yes.
    2. Poganini
      Poganini 8 December 2020 23: 22
      -4
      Yah. Crimea alone is already worthy of great respect. Well this is for me personally. And for everyone - what pulled the country out of the shit of the 90s and, at the very least, pulls on. Maybe it could have been a little faster, but hardly. Those who have dealt with production know how difficult it is to change the product range, but here a huge country, heading for ruin, is to be expanded and made the 4th economy in the world.
      1. Sahalinets
        8 December 2020 23: 28
        +3
        Yes, he did not pull us out of nowhere. He was just lucky. Above I have already given the oil price chart. Before him 10 bucks a barrel, and then it flooded! Only he has nothing to do with it.
        1. Poganini
          Poganini 8 December 2020 23: 40
          -4
          Yes, it’s that! Have you been in suspended animation all these years !? Have you ever read anything about "oil by 10"? Well, this is all chewed and chewed, already for a hundred rows! If they were really interested in the issue, and not in throwing themselves at the fan, they would have figured out long ago how the structure of the economy has radically changed over the years, how much oil has grown and how GDP has grown, and a bunch of other nuances. It's just inconvenient for you.
          1. Sahalinets
            9 December 2020 04: 26
            +4
            You should go to the government. Otherwise, they are poor fellows and do not know that now everything is different and in the old fashioned way continue to plan the budget from the oil price. laughing
            1. Kart
              Kart 9 December 2020 11: 18
              -4
              No.
              Far from only oil prices.
              It turns out (here's a surprise) not only oil is produced in Russia.
              1. Sahalinets
                9 December 2020 11: 30
                +2
                Not only. But this is a key industry.

                And it is she who provides a multiplier effect for the entire economy.
                1. Kart
                  Kart 9 December 2020 11: 57
                  -3
                  So what is this graph about? Just over half, about 60%
                  That is, the statement that Russia survives only from the sale of oil is a lie.
                  As well as the silence about the growth of exports in general AT TIMES is also an indirect lie in the piggy bank of chants about "everything is bad".
                  What is the purpose of all this?
            2. Poganini
              Poganini 9 December 2020 14: 00
              -3
              And there will be a reference to what the old-fashioned way of oil prices? ) Do not bother, I already know that there will be no links, I have already passed this world of doors many times. And you, for self-education, google the cut-off price in the NWF. Well, so as not to be trapped in the future, but somewhere closer to the goal. )
              1. aglet
                aglet 9 December 2020 15: 00
                -1
                "And there will be a reference to the fact that the old-fashioned way from the price of oil?) Don't bother, I already know that there will be no references, I have already gone through this world of peace many times."
                if you are interested-
                https://www.finanz.ru/novosti/birzhevyye-tovary/zavisimost-byudzheta-rossii-ot-cen-na-neft-podskochila-do-4-letnego-maksimuma-1029276678
          2. aglet
            aglet 9 December 2020 13: 41
            0
            oil did not grow from Putin's mental efforts, why isn't it growing now ?. or does not Putin want? and about the growth of gdp, more details, please
            "how the structure of the economy has radically changed over the years"
            economy, what's this? trade in gas and oil with surcharge? or when a kilowatt of electricity is sold to the Chinese for a penny, and to me for rubles, is it the economy?
            1. Poganini
              Poganini 9 December 2020 14: 08
              -4
              Oil in our economy is less than 10%, why do you talk about it all the time? It's lazy to chew on common truths, but I give you a hint: this year, agricultural exports will bypass not only our traditional high-tech pride - the military soldier, but also the sale of gas. About other sectors - let's do it yourself, Google is still rarely banned.
              1. aglet
                aglet 9 December 2020 15: 04
                0
                "It's lazy to chew on common truths, but I give you a hint: this year, agricultural exports will bypass not only our traditional high-tech pride - the military soldier, but also the sale of gas."
                yes, gas sales have grown especially. But if our agricultural exports have grown so much, why does bread rise in price here? Or is it because of the fact that exports have grown?
            2. Sahalinets
              9 December 2020 15: 58
              +2
              They are not interested. They are paid for the number of posts. And hopefully enough for two packs of doshik every day.
              I am a humanist! wink
  • Alexy
    Alexy 8 December 2020 12: 54
    0
    One really adequate comment
    1. tatra
      tatra 8 December 2020 13: 23
      +1
      About what ? About the fact that the enemies of the communists 30 years after their capture of Russia "lament", that they got a bad people?
      1. Kart
        Kart 9 December 2020 11: 58
        -3
        The best enemies of the communists are the communists themselves.
        This was clearly proved by the events of 1991.
  • aglet
    aglet 9 December 2020 13: 23
    +2
    "Oh, as always Putin is to blame. He came and gave birth to billionaires out of the blue. We have relaxed over the last quiet years, no one wants to remember the dashing 90s. What, it was necessary to chop off our heads, put Russia on its hind legs? Who would just give up the stolen goods? Import substitution is not What did everyone rush to buy foreign cars and everything imported, who called the ruble a wooden one, and the USSR with a scoop? killed the last glimpses of light industry? Fucked up petrodollars? And what would the author eat if not these petrodollars, because he gave his money to manufacturers of other countries? Why did none of those criticizing Putin go with him to galleys, even local ones, but galleys? "
    yes, I completely agree with you, it was me, a scoundrel, who "killed the last glimpses of light industry? Fucked up petrodollars?", built yachts for myself 200 m long, and allowed them to be built by Abramovichs and all sorts of other things, I exported billions of dollars from the country, I cut down the taiga and sold the Baikal, I destroyed the entire industry in the country. And at this time, you, together with Putin, fought all this, but, damn it, it did not work out. And as for the galleys, it turns out there is such a queue that even for me, a scoundrel, it is extremely difficult to get there.
  • Alex66
    Alex66 8 December 2020 11: 11
    +8
    Why are they stepping on a rake for the third time, but for one reason that happened in October 1917. They are stupidly afraid of repetition and are ready for betrayal for a residence permit in Florida. They are closer to other people's bourgeois, more understandable than their own people who feed them. Therefore, they are felled abroad as soon as possible.
    1. aglet
      aglet 9 December 2020 13: 45
      -1
      "more understandable than their own people who feed them."
      you are a bit mistaken here, it is not the people who feed them, but from the people they feed. these are different things
  • lucul
    lucul 8 December 2020 11: 17
    -9
    The only thing that really worried the "partners" was the fate of Soviet nuclear weapons. They were dumbfounded by the prospect of his appearance in the devil's hands, and, in fact, that's why they refrained from direct attempts to destroy Russia itself.

    All that frightened them was the possibility of the Arabs getting a nuclear bomb and throwing it across Jerusalem. Everything. Because one bomb could not decide anything against America or Europe, but against Israel, due to its size, it was even very important.
    And then we had a new president, relatively young and energetic. And although, in my humble opinion, to Bismarck he was as to the Moon, at least he did not look as narrow-minded as his predecessors. And it seemed like I had to draw conclusions from their mistakes. But alas, he immediately began to step on the same rake, diligently imposing himself as friends on the Americans. I dreamed of partnership ... And according to the ridiculous Russian tradition, I staked on good personal relationships.

    He, like the overwhelming majority of Russians, believed that the government and the presidents decide something in the West. Until the realization came that they were just talking heads, and the Western world was 100% controlled by the Zionists. Then everything fell into place.
    Helicopter carriers were ordered in France, ship engines in Germany. Our satellites were equipped with American electronics.

    Stalin did exactly the same in order to reduce the country's technological backwardness, didn't he? )))
    Does this mean that I am delighted with Putin's current foreign policy? Not at all. I will not guess on the coffee grounds, I do not enter the Kremlin. But a complete feeling is created that we simply do not have any reasonable, long-term policy. There is some kind of purely situational, chaotic response, and quite often in hindsight. And this is hardly an accident.

    Lord, what a mediocre Russophobic article - I already have fat dripped from the screen))).
    When Putin ascended the throne, we did not have a single dollar billionaire, but now there are more than a hundred of them.

    There are no comments at all, because this is no longer even a lie - the whole article rolls into chutzpu ...
    1. Alexander Kopychev
      Alexander Kopychev 8 December 2020 15: 09
      +1
      and the Western world is 100% controlled by the Zionists.


      I’m thoroughly Russian, and my teachers were mostly Jews, and they didn’t teach me anything bad. And for Oppenheimer's Pashka, I will give my life and become an ardent Zionist!
      1. Poganini
        Poganini 8 December 2020 23: 15
        0
        I will support! Lots of norms of guys among Jews.)
    2. Sahalinets
      8 December 2020 15: 25
      +4

      Enjoy. Although what do the guys from Forbes know in comparison with you? wink
      1. lucul
        lucul 8 December 2020 16: 20
        -6
        Enjoy. Although what do the guys from Forbes know in comparison with you?

        What should I enjoy?
        After all, the author directly lied
        With Putin's accession to the throne, we have there was not a single dollar billionaire , but now there are more than a hundred of them.

        Ie Berezovsky, Khodorkovsky and other company - this is not one, but under Putin 100 at once? )))
        It never occurred to you that all this rise in billionaires was simply made to pay more taxes. And when you pay taxes, you also see the amount of income. In the 90s, just none of the oligarchs shone their income)))
        1. Sahalinets
          8 December 2020 16: 44
          +3
          At the beginning of 2000, there was not a single dollar billionaire officially in Russia. The crisis happened before that. Take a look at the chart.
          1. lucul
            lucul 8 December 2020 18: 51
            -6
            At the beginning of 2000, there was not a single dollar billionaire officially in Russia.

            In what year did Berezovsky fled to London? Are you saying that under Putin, in a couple of years, he managed to put together $ 7 billion? )))
          2. KKND
            KKND 9 December 2020 10: 02
            +1
            Quote: Sahalinets
            Take a look at the chart.

            How do you assess the likelihood that the schedule is wrong? Or even manipulative? Probably it's not a secret for you that journalists all over the world like to resort to fakes? By the way, why did you decide to publish the article incognito?
      2. Kart
        Kart 9 December 2020 11: 20
        -5
        So this is the maximum schedule for 2009.
        Already 11 years have passed.
        Where have you been all these 11 years?
    3. aglet
      aglet 9 December 2020 13: 48
      +1
      "Stalin did exactly the same in order to reduce the country's technological backwardness, didn't he?)))"
      yes, absolutely true, but neither Roosevelt, nor Churchill, they even thought that they would throw Stalin, and some Frantsevo fagot easily threw Putin
  • Van 16
    Van 16 8 December 2020 11: 22
    +4
    Normal article, much is written absolutely right, respect to the author.
  • tatra
    tatra 8 December 2020 11: 42
    +1
    With their vaunted "freedom of speech" the enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR, and the enemies of the communists in the West and in Europe who broke through to us with their "freedom of speech", everything about themselves proved, in particular, that anti-Sovietism is always equal to Russophobia. They proved that they will always hate Russia and the Russian people, with any power and any social system.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 8 December 2020 12: 09
      -8
      Quote: tatra
      With their vaunted "freedom of speech", the enemies of the communists

      Auntie Tatra, it's always interesting - what are the "friends of the communists"? Pensioners in dusty helmets in line at the clinic? What is the current portrait of the average apologist for refined communist ideas? Does it make it difficult in general terms? Thanks in advance.
      1. tatra
        tatra 8 December 2020 12: 13
        +8
        Ha, the enemies of the communists after their capture of Russia have an interesting "ideology" - they really like to discuss the Bolshevik-communists and their supporters, everything that they did, and they really do not like to discuss themselves, everything that they themselves did during the Soviet period and after the seizure them to Russia.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 8 December 2020 12: 18
          -3
          Quote: tatra
          they love to discuss the Bolshevik communists and their supporters

          well, that's understandable, you also like to discuss disagreements with you. The question is the same - so what are the "friends of the communists"? So...
          1. tatra
            tatra 8 December 2020 12: 32
            +10
            That is, you could NOT use ANYTHING to refute my words about YOU, the enemies of the communists, and immediately "turned the arrows" on the communists, so that I would crucify in front of you, prove something to you, and you would do the favorite thing of the enemies of the communists - criticizing the communists? The difference between me and the enemies of the communists is that no matter what site I come to, and despite my crown "enemies of the communists", according to my comments it is immediately clear - FOR whom, and FOR what I am. And you all are not even able to defend yourself, you have nothing good either FOR yourself, or FOR what you have done, or FOR your country and people.
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 8 December 2020 12: 38
              -3
              Auntie, I asked an elementary question - "who are the friends of the communists?" I am not asking to grovel in front of me, I am not criticizing anyone, I asked simply and without passionary hysterics to answer. But the reaction is so predictable - "and you .... and you have .... a country ... people ....")
              except for senile grumbling - no shit. Expected, yes.
              1. Kart
                Kart 9 December 2020 11: 22
                -5
                This "auntie" is most likely not a human at all, but just a bot.
                You can ask her for interest about anything - the set of phrases in response will be approximately the same.
                Well, it's hard to believe that this is a living person with such a set and at large, and not in a special ward.
                1. Kart
                  Kart 9 December 2020 12: 08
                  -4
                  Oh, I look the sectarians woke up - the cons went.
            2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 8 December 2020 12: 54
              -3
              Quote: tatra
              that no matter what site I come to

              but, that is, VO is not the only site covered by this powerful phrase? laughing
          2. Alexander Kopychev
            Alexander Kopychev 9 December 2020 12: 54
            +2
            The question is the same - so what are the "friends of the communists"? So...


            Friends are those who defend their own constitutional the right to free medicine and education. And what about the "dusty helmets of pensioners"? Is this a reproach to them, perhaps for old age? So we'll all be there, I've been pulling my retirement strap for the ninth year, and I won't say it's easy!
      2. Unknown
        Unknown 8 December 2020 15: 06
        +12
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        always wondering - what are the "friends of the communists"? Pensioners in dusty helmets in line at the clinic? What is the current portrait of the average apologist for refined communist ideas? Does it make it difficult in general terms?
        Well, why so sarcastically about the ,, friends of the communists ,,. Normal people from 45 to 60 years old who are trying to survive in difficult times. They earn money on the sly, because today it is not possible to live on retirement, and the current generation, with rare exceptions, do not know how to work at a lathe or locksmith and cook. They don't care about everything, and the country in which they live too. And we remember how we lived and worked in the USSR, and the comparison is not in favor of R.F.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 8 December 2020 18: 24
          -2
          Quote: Unknown
          Well, why so sarcastically about the ,, friends of the communists ,,. Normal people between 45 and 60 years old

          Why such a fright did you write all those who managed to live "under the communists" as "friends"? This is not what the passionate grandmother has in mind, dividing all of humanity into "friends" and "enemies" of the communists.
          1. Unknown
            Unknown 8 December 2020 19: 56
            +3
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Why such a fright did you write all those who managed to live "under the communists" as "friends"?
            Of course, not all, but the majority. There are those who climbed into the party to a warmer and more satisfying place, and in their lives did not hold in their hands, nothing heavier than a spoon with a fork, like a certain one, I don’t know what to call it, I will name the gentleman, tea will not be offended, Shpakovsky, whose mother and grandmother were in the party, but the workers and the party itself, judging by his recollections, could not stand the spirit. So they are not party members, and not even friends of them, but the most that is not ... ...... and that's putting it mildly. Comparing life under Soviet power, and it cannot be shared with the communists, in the full sense of the word, and such were in the lower party cells, and even came across higher, and with the current government, you understand what country we have lost. Everything is relative.
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 8 December 2020 20: 15
              0
              Quote: Unknown
              you understand what country we have lost.

              how long can you sob over a corpse? This endless eulogy is already bored with order.
              Quote: Unknown
              Comparing life

              everyone has their own measurements.
              1. Unknown
                Unknown 8 December 2020 20: 58
                +4
                Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                how long can you sob over a corpse? This endless eulogy is already bored with order.
                Say sob, there is no sob, bitterness about the loss. For me, born in 1964, the USSR is both father and mother, in one person. As they say, severe and strict, but mine. In the USSR, my dad, from ordinary peasants in the Bryansk region, was able to get an education, and after finishing sailing, he became the captain of the MRTK.
                All my life, I fished for the country, gave life to me. The Soviet government gave me an education, I would like to study further, but went to vocational school, and after work. I called to serve, well, the service was severe, but it had to be so. After service, work, got an apartment, a car, went on vouchers, to improve health, to rest. Everything for a working person. And how, after everything that the Soviet government gave me, can I find fault with her? It’s not decent. It’s the same as vilifying father and mother. Not so brought up. That's why I remember the USSR with warmth, as something close and dear, and not sobbing as you say.
                1. Alexander Kopychev
                  Alexander Kopychev 9 December 2020 13: 01
                  +1
                  That is why I remember the USSR with warmth, as something close and dear, and not with sobs as you say.



                  And there was also boundless confidence in the future!
      3. DmSol
        DmSol 9 December 2020 08: 45
        +1
        These are usually people with higher education. Family. Engineers and middle managers.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 9 December 2020 09: 38
          -2
          Quote: DmSol
          These are usually people with higher education. Family. Engineers and middle managers.

          yes, leading a healthy lifestyle, without bad habits, with an IQ of 136.
          and, of course, "... I was not noticed in connections discrediting him." (c)
          Totally virtuous.
          1. DmSol
            DmSol 9 December 2020 11: 04
            +4
            these are people who can look a little further than their immediate benefit. That's clearer?
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 9 December 2020 11: 09
              -3
              a, plus a couple of other virtues - predictive talent and discernment.
              It's all? Or will there still be touches to the ideal? laughing
              1. DmSol
                DmSol 9 December 2020 11: 16
                +1
                you asked, you were answered.
                1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 9 December 2020 11: 22
                  -2
                  Popular character?
  • Lysik001
    Lysik001 8 December 2020 12: 05
    +13
    The gang is well settled! They pump oil and gas and fill their pockets! Therefore, they crawl before the West that he is the main buyer of this! And money and houses and children ... everything is there! For this reason, everything will continue this way until the owners knee in the ass and cover this shop! Or maybe they won't! The country gas station is also useful on the farm ...
    1. Poganini
      Poganini 8 December 2020 23: 05
      -7
      Whose Crimea? And Assad has already left? And Maduro?
  • sannyhome
    sannyhome 8 December 2020 12: 10
    -2
    Well, the author is definitely lying. Bush Sr. just stood up for friendship with Russia with both hands. He said bluntly - now we have the only chance to make friends with Russia while it is weak. If we help them now, they will not forget it. And the famous "Bush's legs" he exported to Russia almost at his own expense.
    And he distorts the GDP - of course there were no dollar billionaires, there was generally a period of anarchy. Etc. etc.
    PS Unfortunately, nobody supported Bush. The American Congress felt like a winner and decided to finish off the Russian Federation
  • New Year day
    New Year day 8 December 2020 12: 45
    +11
    ... When Putin ascended the throne, we did not have a single dollar billionaire, but now there are more than a hundred of them. And only a very few of them associate their future with Russia.

    This is the purpose and style of the vertical. Everything else is maneuver. The Duma, which churns out laws for us, is populated by persons who have real estate and accounts there, members of the government have a residence permit there.
    This is already so obvious that it needs no explanation.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 8 December 2020 12: 51
    +13
    After Chubais fired from a cannon in St. Petersburg, which means "my (his) finest hour has struck," only one thing comes to mind: we say "Putin", we mean "Chubais" and vice versa. These are two sides of the same coin. Those who have not yet understood will soon be convinced on their own skin
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 8 December 2020 13: 03
    +5
    a complete feeling is created that we simply do not have any reasonable, long-term policy

    there are many in the corridors of power who clearly see the situation. But only they are guided not by the interests of the country, but by personal benefit.


    This is, in short, the whole essence of what is happening !!
  • Doctor
    Doctor 8 December 2020 13: 28
    -1
    promised not to expand NATO eastward and then deceived.


    No politics, just for information.

    Now in Europe there are 60 thousand US soldiers, and before 1990 there were 340 thousand.
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 8 December 2020 13: 34
      +5
      The task is completed, Russia is economically conquered, resources and money are flowing away, there is no point in keeping a huge army ..
    2. Sahalinets
      8 December 2020 16: 18
      +3
      So more is not needed yet. They count money.
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 8 December 2020 18: 20
        -1
        So more is not needed yet. They count money.

        Not needed for what? To capture Russia? Is 60 thousand enough?
        1. Sahalinets
          8 December 2020 18: 28
          0
          The keyword is bye.
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 8 December 2020 18: 35
            -1
            The keyword is bye.

            "For now? Until we enter the Baltics? Or directly to Warsaw? laughing
            1. Kart
              Kart 9 December 2020 11: 26
              -3
              Until the "communist" fighters manage to grab everything that Russia has.
              The more we do, the more factories, roads and power plants - the more furious the howl of the fighters.
              They are already clapping their teeth, saliva is flowing.
              1. Sahalinets
                9 December 2020 13: 15
                +3
                Haven't your masters already grabbed everything that isn't nailed?
                1. Kart
                  Kart 9 December 2020 13: 58
                  -1
                  And I have no masters, I am on my own.
                  I'm not a "communist", I don't need the guiding and leading force of the party.
    3. aglet
      aglet 9 December 2020 13: 59
      +3
      "Now in Europe there are 60 thousand US soldiers, and before 1990 there were 340 thousand"
      then they sat 1500 km from the borders of the USSR, and now they are 100 km from St. Petersburg
  • Sergey M. Karasev
    Sergey M. Karasev 8 December 2020 14: 42
    +2
    When Putin ascended the throne, we didn't have a single dollar billionaire

    ?? belay
    And what about Berezovsky, Gusinsky, Khodorkovsky, Deripaska? They were definitely billionaires back in the late 90s.
    1. Poganini
      Poganini 8 December 2020 23: 01
      -3
      The author is probably not familiar with the concept of "seven bankers". It is a pity that this type of people has a memory like a guppy fish, but such is the objective reality given to us in sensations.
    2. Kart
      Kart 9 December 2020 11: 26
      -4
      Yes, the truth is not important here.
      The main thing is to shout correctly. Create a negative background so to speak.
      Go later, check.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 8 December 2020 15: 43
    +3
    Quote: Carte
    It is he, yes.
    A prominent communist, an experienced Soviet manager, with the Best Soviet education in the world.
    How did it happen? Probably the enemies have turned on.

    Not without it. wassat As for the epithets with which you awarded him - this is your personal opinion ... lol
    1. Kart
      Kart 9 December 2020 11: 30
      -5
      Ничего подобного.
      The general secretary was just such, with all these epithets (which the Soviet press so abundantly described when they entered office).
      And the current "communists" trumpet us that it was the most perfect system in the world, the most modern management system, and so on.
      Could not the best of them have gotten to the top with such a system?
      Well, if this is so, I got it, then maybe then about the very, very system, too, a little bit of lies?
  • Radikal
    Radikal 8 December 2020 15: 46
    +5
    Quote: sannyhome
    Well, the author is definitely lying. Bush Sr. just stood up for friendship with Russia with both hands ...

    Yes, yes - he only dreamed about it all his life, especially when he was the director of the CIA. wassat
  • Evgeniy-111
    Evgeniy-111 8 December 2020 17: 45
    -6
    What do we conclude from the article? We urgently need to change the current president to the author! Well he will not step on any rake!
  • BAI
    BAI 8 December 2020 18: 26
    +7
    and upstairs we have only fools.

    Fools cannot get into power. Traitors are sitting there.
    1. Sahalinets
      8 December 2020 22: 48
      +2
      Fools cannot get through to power

      As a schoolboy, I thought so too. And then I learned about the Peter principle. Gorby is a graphic illustration of it.
      1. Kart
        Kart 9 December 2020 11: 32
        -5
        You specifically hate Putin, and want to overthrow.
        Clear.
        Who do you want instead of him? And what do you want?
        Or the main thing is to destroy - and where will the curve of fate take?
        1. Sahalinets
          9 December 2020 11: 43
          +3
          Didn't they give you a training manual?
          Manuals of the Kremlin troll. Everything is according to plan, according to the fad:
          1. Our Crimea.
          2. Did not try to work or try to work.
          3. Raised from his knees, from the ruins. Which country went.
          4. What have you done for the country? What would you do instead of Putin? If not
          Putin, then who? There is no alternative.
          5. A lot of things have been done for the country.
          6. Begin with yourself.
          7. Not all at once.
          8. If not him, then who. There is no alternative.
          9. Take away the porch, plant flowers, sweep the trash ... don’t spit
          10. I work a lot, unlike you
          11. It is necessary to work.
          12. Do not provoke, provocateurs, talk out the situation.
          13. Go abroad, no one is holding.
          14. And the dissatisfied will always and everywhere.
          15. But in the 90s ...
          16. Give time ...
          17. He - did you personally stole something?
          And also ... the 5th column ... and if it doesn't work out, they urgently switch to the topic of
          Ukraine (although not on the topic) .. or -Banderite ... State Department agent ... CIA
          you
          pays .. and then, proceeding from bile and stench, they switch to personal insults ..
          1. Kart
            Kart 9 December 2020 11: 52
            -1
            What does the Kremlin trolls invented by you have to do with it?
            I personally ask you - what do you specifically want and what do you propose to do?
            I hope that "I want everything to be fine" you will not answer as a reasonable person.
            Well, the expressions "start with yourself" and "not all at once" are from life, not from manuals.
            It comes most often with age.
            I confess, I am somewhat surprised that you included these concepts, obvious to any reasonable person, in this list you made up.
            1. Sahalinets
              9 December 2020 11: 55
              +3
              An article on foreign policy. And first, we need to realize the realities and stop living in a world of illusions.

              Now tell me how I want to destroy Russia. I see no reason to argue with you.
              1. Kart
                Kart 9 December 2020 12: 12
                +1
                Yes, and I do not see the point - with you, then.
                I'm just asking a question. What exactly do you propose to do and what do you want to build?
                But you, as I understand it, in the manner typical of your like-minded people, do your best not to answer it, favoring me with the Kremlin troll, and falling asleep with pictures with graphs from 11 years ago.
                "Stop living in the world of illusions", forgive me from the series "against everything bad for everything good."
          2. Poganini
            Poganini 9 December 2020 12: 08
            -3
            Well, they wrote everything correctly, what's wrong with the training manual? ) Here you can, when you want.
        2. aglet
          aglet 9 December 2020 14: 26
          0
          "Who do you want instead of him? And what do you want?"
          do you want like in france?
  • Poganini
    Poganini 8 December 2020 22: 58
    -5
    Suffice it to recall how ineptly the fat petrodollars of the XNUMXs were wasted.
    Well, yes, the debts to the Paris Clubs and the IMFs, they themselves are closed, why should they extinguish them with mediocre petrodollars.
    1. Kart
      Kart 9 December 2020 11: 39
      -1
      And the roads are built on their own, and factories and technologies appear.
      Yes, a lot of things.
      And suddenly! We are told by such people that this all turns out to be fake, strictly in spite of the authorities.
      And the present will definitely be - look at the pictures - you just need to take all this away from some, and give it to us, the right ones.
      They poke oligarchs - there are so many of them, they robbed the people.
      At the same time, as fish are silent about Soviet oligarchs - all kinds of "tsehoviks" for example, or also the top party leadership. What cars did they drive, which countries, what did they eat and drink in the elite palaces for the nomenklatura?
      This is despite the fact that people mostly wore tattered pants and stood in lines for food.
      And all this under the most just system.
      Now that's okay, I see. Capitalism - if you are stronger, smarter, bolder, luckier, then you will be at the top.
      And there, with social equality and newspaper whining about us together, are we the best?
      Monstrous cynicism.
      1. Poganini
        Poganini 9 December 2020 11: 49
        -3
        I, too, do not understand the patriotic sentries. Rather, I understand those who are trying for a little money, there are all kinds of IPSO, etc. But there are, probably, those who sincerely write all this nonsense? What's their head !? What is this alternative, absolutely illogical, system of thinking, aggravated by severe sclerosis? Well, absolutely positive trends in the country are obvious: where we were and where we are now! I do not understand...
        1. Kart
          Kart 9 December 2020 14: 03
          -1
          There are exactly 3 options.
          1. They write for money ("communists" are known to love money no less than others).
          2. They write in confidence that if the regime falls, they will also be involved in the new elite, which will divide.
          3. They write about age-related insanity (but this is clearly not the case).
          1. Poganini
            Poganini 9 December 2020 14: 11
            -2
            There is also a 4th option - not by age, but simply by dementia. A joke, of course, but in every joke there is a grain of a joke. )
      2. aglet
        aglet 9 December 2020 14: 19
        -1
        “And the roads are built by themselves, and factories and technologies appear.
        Yes, a lot of things "
        especially about roads of 100000000 rubles per kilometer. or those that disappear after construction, or those that were built at the expense of the budget, and completely different people have the money for them. and so all is well
    2. aglet
      aglet 9 December 2020 14: 22
      0
      "Well, yes, debts to the Paris Clubs and the IMFs, they are closing themselves, why should we extinguish them with mediocre petrodollars"
      especially when you consider that all modern billionaires grew on these debts, who plundered them with handouts from the authorities
  • comradChe
    comradChe 9 December 2020 01: 15
    +4
    On the muzzles, on the snouts so, but the author slapped right on the swing. But what is it, it cannot be so! It is necessary to be softer, softer, more delicate. There is a turn ahead of us, and no matter what direction, because grandfather Kondrat is behind him ... They won't give us a second chance, they won't.
    1. Kart
      Kart 9 December 2020 11: 42
      -5
      Wow! Directly lashed! People's hero, one word.
      And he didn't say anything to me. Variational muttering about "everything is gone."
      For me, be specific - what do you want? What do you propose to do?
  • Iskazi
    Iskazi 9 December 2020 01: 55
    +1
    the author wrote a lot correctly ..., but missed very important points, firstly he put Gorby as the alleged first Renegade, but this is far from the case ..., Gorby is far from the first ..., he is simply the most material, he is not even about Great Pu it is worth mentioning, because - he is the quintessence of the total affiliation of the Government of the Country. The Soviet Past is more than murky ..., and is simply teeming with examples of dependence on the world community and the incompetence of the Kremlin leadership, another question is that in Soviet times, they tried to do something about this, with varying success ... now it is complete hopelessness, it is sad.
    1. Kart
      Kart 9 December 2020 11: 47
      -4
      Tried to do something ...
      And how did it end?
      Now, not everything is sad. Not everyone.
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 9 December 2020 12: 28
        -1
        Now, not everything is sad. Not everyone.

        This is to put it mildly. And in real life, if not the golden, then the silver age for sure.

        Zhrachki are like mud, any booze heaps, clothes for every taste, build a house even five-story if you have money. Cars that were queued for under Brezhnev are not considered cars.
        This is on a low base.

        With the superstructure, too, all the chicardos, a cultural program from the Louvre to the Grand Canyon, at any time any films from a soft Soviet ban to a tough guy with bestiality.
        And in your pocket. Together with the world library.

        If you want something exotic, it's easy, from Hindu with temples, gurus and hashish, to Tanzanian safari with young black women and sorcerers.

        If you wish, you can have all this in Moscow. laughing
        1. Sahalinets
          9 December 2020 14: 18
          +2
          Yeah. With a typical salary in the regions of 15-20 pieces. Do not deny yourself anything! laughing
      2. aglet
        aglet 9 December 2020 14: 28
        0
        "Now far from everything is sad. Far from everything."
        but is it sad?
      3. Iskazi
        Iskazi 10 December 2020 02: 47
        0
        naturally, not everything is so bad ... it could be worse .., but life goes on.
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  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 9 December 2020 10: 05
    +2
    In Russia for 2020, according to Forbs, there are 102 billionaires, and you can safely add the same number of former and current officials to them. The author is right, there are really hundreds of them.
    Flirting with the USA, what else was there to do? Start bullish in 2000? Yes, we have not figured out Chechnya yet, the war was in full swing. Remember the conflict 08.08.08. The Georgians had better tanks than ours, and not only tanks. When you are weak, you are forced to endure humiliation from the "lord of the ring" and it would be very stupid to download rights at that moment. Was the USSR losing ground? Well, he was already economically insolvent, and the fact that we made a bunch of missiles and a big heap of tanks, so it undermined the economy. Wouldn't Gorby pass "The Eye", what would have changed? The problem is in the system. And the weak are beaten. Then, the whole country turned into "offended", they say we were deceived !!!!! A vivid example of complete infantilism, no one promised us anything, the Yankees were simply playing for time, and each month reduced our opportunities, the economy collapsed, which means that it was no longer possible to date the national outskirts at the expense of the RSFSR. hence the parade of sovereignties, local "elites" were simply looking for a new owner, as in its time Western Russia rushed to the Tatars, then to the Pope. Was it possible to bargain with the Germans? So in 1992, the Germans would simply expel us from Germany, there is no money, no food, salary. officers no, nothing. And what would the valiant GSVG do? Has Putin closed Lourdes? And what did he - the center give Russia in 2000? We could not assemble a group of 50 people in Chechnya, with a million-strong army ?! There are a dime a dozen of people in epaulets, but no one wants to fight Like a warrant officer in the DMB: Bakhnem, we must bahn, The whole world is in dust, BUT THEN! " Yes, even now, with our economy, we should not show off too much, we just need to wait, Now, oddly enough, the United States found itself in the position of the late USSR, there are too many problems and provoking them into a war - well, it's not smart. us before their funeral. ”At one time - in the 000s, they waited, now - it's our turn, we'll wait.
    1. Sahalinets
      9 December 2020 10: 45
      +4
      Well, I’m writing about the need to at least start to really look at the situation. And our cheeks are puffed out - we, they say, are a Great Energy Power, then they are waiting for something incomprehensible, then they generally think that everything will resolve by itself ...
    2. Poganini
      Poganini 9 December 2020 12: 00
      0
      Igor, I strongly agree with you! It is a pity that the system does not give a plus - a restriction, probably, for beginners. It is strange that almost half of the site's commentators do not understand such simple things. Well, this is not a binomial of Newton, you don't have to be seven spans in your forehead. And here you are. The only thing that I slightly disagree with is that we ALREADY have more or less norms with the economy. We are now in 4th place, and we cannot jump higher in principle. But for the fourth place it will be necessary to fight with all kinds of Indonesia and Brazil - their population is larger and it is growing. Well, per capita, of course, we need to increase it little by little.
      1. aglet
        aglet 9 December 2020 14: 39
        -1
        “The only thing that I disagree a bit is that we ALREADY have more or less norms with the economy. We are now in 4th place, and in principle we cannot jump higher. But for the fourth place we will still have to fight all kinds of Indonesia and Brazil.”
        Rosstat counted the 4th place? just for fun, read about the industry of "all sorts of Indonesia and Brazil." we, before them, now, well, very far. 20 years ago, some of the then leaders shouted, yes, we would now at least catch up with Turkey. years passed, even Turkey did not catch up
        1. Poganini
          Poganini 9 December 2020 14: 51
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          No, not Rosstat. ) And the most that is either the World Bank or the IMF (I don't remember exactly, I counted backwards a couple of years). Do the math, I explain how: find on the WB website data on GDP in PPP, then in another section you find data on the size of the shadow economy of the Russian Federation, Germany and Japan (we have about 30% ha-ha, the Japs have 0, I don't remember the Germans , about 10). Multiply the GDP figures by the corresponding coefficient and you get the size of the REAL GDP. And, of course, we are in 4th place, after China, India and the United States. Which we can not overtake in any case, nefig and try. But we will have to fight for our 4th. PS Neither Indonesia nor Brazil, as I understand it, have you been? Otherwise, they would hardly have dared to talk about their "successes". Believe me, the picture is very impressive, you never dreamed of this in a nightmare. )
          1. aglet
            aglet 9 December 2020 15: 24
            -1
            "Multiply the GDP figures by the corresponding coefficient and you get the size of the REAL GDP. Well, naturally, we are in 4th place, "
            Well, and you say not Rosstat
            1. Poganini
              Poganini 9 December 2020 15: 33
              0
              Let's do this, or you will seriously, in essence, try to figure out what they write to you, or we will stop this conversation, ok?
              1. aglet
                aglet 9 December 2020 15: 37
                -1
                "Let's do this, or you will seriously, essentially, try to figure out what they write to you, or we will stop this conversation, ok?"
                maybe you will figure out what you are writing here? I write what I think is necessary. if you cannot understand this, then stop your conversation
                1. Poganini
                  Poganini 9 December 2020 15: 58
                  +1
                  You, of course, have every right to write what you think. necessary. I just urge you to think a little before writing. It is bad when the speed of doing exceeds the speed of thinking.
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    3. aglet
      aglet 9 December 2020 14: 32
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      "Then, the whole country turned into" offended ", they say we were deceived !!!!! A vivid example of complete infantilism, no one promised us anything"
      no one promised us anything, they promised the government. the government and the president were completely childish. do not confuse with us
      1. Petrik66
        Petrik66 9 December 2020 15: 21
        +2
        The "honest patriots" could not even organize a coup. The army seems to be out of business, the KGB - people with clean hands, the same disappeared somewhere. After all, if everyone saw and everyone did not agree, then how did it all happen? Yes, Russians are simply fed up with living in poverty, feeding the nationalities and enduring humiliation. Not everyone, not everyone was running after Yeltsin, but at that time he was exhibited as the bearer of something new. And they no longer wanted to endure all these Politburos with their "ride on carriages", balabol Gorby - the quintessence of a new type of party. And the Americans are not the main enemies, the main enemies in ourselves.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 9 December 2020 11: 43
    +1
    Quote: Carte
    Ничего подобного.
    The general secretary was just such, with all these epithets (which the Soviet press so abundantly described when they entered office).

    Firstly, there is no need to generalize, and secondly, the press, and journalism in particular, is not in vain considered (or rather, they themselves think so) the second oldest profession - the first is known to everyone, they can be said one after another, or even together , "hand in hand", so it would be strange to expect something else from them.
    By the way, the Russian "free" media, in my opinion, have long surpassed the Soviet ones in their praise, but more of the PR of the current "general secretary", so at all times they behave equally "freely". bully
  • seacap
    seacap 9 December 2020 13: 15
    +3
    Quote: aglet
    for some it takes a very long time. maybe because they live on Sakhalin?

    On Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, they recognize and feel on their "hump" faster, and more importantly, sharper than in the First Throne, where they still believe that they are loved overseas and are expected that everything and everything can be replaced with loot.
  • seacap
    seacap 9 December 2020 13: 21
    0
    And why did they suddenly decide that something had changed since the end of the 80s? The power is still the same people (the language barely twisted) who betrayed and killed the great power, they all continue to sleep softly and eat sweetly, they all continue to drag, shoving into their pockets, everything that is not screwed on or nailed down, they all do not connect their future with this territory, which was once their homeland.
  • ximkim
    ximkim 9 December 2020 15: 56
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    Quote: aybolyt678
    Quote: ximkim
    The end product of the com regime.

    That regime was definitely not "communist". Since the 70s, the regime of dogmatic socialism or the hidden bourgeoisie reigned, which were: partocrats, trade workers, and others close to the distribution of the material product. Perestroika was their revolution !! smile

    There is no such concept - that regime was not the same, but from that year the reign began ... The regime and the party were alone until the cancellation of the unbreakable union.
  • Armen Sologyan
    Armen Sologyan 9 December 2020 16: 49
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    While such a President of the Russian Federation as Vladimir Putin, the Russian Federation is not in danger. The only threat is the American coronavirus. From the first days I am absolutely convinced that it was the USA that used this bacteriological weapon. There is no direct evidence, but there is more than enough indirect evidence. 1. The US Congress promised sanctions from hell, so they did it; 2. China borders on Russia and many tourists from China come to Russia; 3. The United States possesses high technologies for the production of viruses, and the fact that in history they used nuclear weapons, chemical weapons napalm and bombed Serbia with uranium-filled bombs, then it serves as an indirect confirmation that the United States will stop at nothing.
    1. Sahalinets
      9 December 2020 21: 46
      -1
      And if Putin slips in the bathroom tomorrow and is killed, we are all khan! sad
      1. Petrik66
        Petrik66 11 December 2020 13: 54
        0
        No, he's not Berezovsky)))
  • Dzungar
    Dzungar 9 December 2020 17: 07
    0
    Sofa criticism is always distinguished by "intelligence and ingenuity" .....
  • Reader 2013
    Reader 2013 9 December 2020 20: 44
    -1
    Guys ... Well, it has been known for 150 million years that any "detente" and "fraternization" is another round of RE-EQUIPMENT. SOYUZ broke up not because of gum and pepsikola. "Pershing" performed their role brilliantly! Flight time - 7 minutes. I had to smile. I had to make concessions. And at this time to rearm. And there was nothing to catch on the conditions of 85-88 ... Even a-135 was put on the OBD in 1994 ...
  • Chervonny
    Chervonny 9 December 2020 23: 25
    +18
    On the same rake

    Well, our handlers like to "jump on the same rake" ...
  • RusKosTen
    RusKosTen 10 December 2020 08: 38
    +1
    The author is undoubtedly on the whole correct position. But it seems to me that we, mere mortals, can only see the tip of the iceberg, and everything that happens "below the waterline" - who has what position in the Kremlin, who is guided by what when making certain decisions, who is a traitor, who is a fool, and who is simply forced to adjust , we do not know. But you can only judge by deeds, by the result. And the result is this - at the very least, Russia exists, no matter who says what, there is work, there is a salary - the question is in its size?, We are not resting on hunger and poverty. And poverty is considered differently everywhere. Yes, we have something to compare with, there is already a far from glossy West, there is nostalgia for the USSR. I want more. I want an image of the future.
    PS About Putin - when you come as the leader of a pack of wolves, you either become a wolf yourself, or you will have to push them out one by one for a long time and persistently.
  • bad
    bad 11 December 2020 08: 41
    +16
    Our president, of course, did not avoid mistakes. For example, it was initially clear that the Crimea would be punished. And since they will still be punished, then it was necessary to take away what was his - that Khrushchev personally wrote off the Ukrainian SSR in 54th. As a result: next to it is a combat-ready hostile state that knows us inside and out (relatives, after all) and has the full approval of Western countries.
    1. aleks700
      aleks700 12 December 2020 10: 25
      0
      More had to be taken. To the Dnieper, for sure.
  • aleks700
    aleks700 12 December 2020 10: 24
    0
    I subscribe to every word.
  • Valentin Tveryakov
    Valentin Tveryakov 12 December 2020 10: 37
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    In many ways, one can agree with the author, and especially by default, the hanging, "Hunted horses are shot." And even earlier, "My Bolivar will not stand two." This is American logic, they are friends until the death of a friend, and then they take the next one into friendship, Who is profitable. And not to take as a goal the collapse of the US dollar feeder, for a start, in all the media to drag through how the dollar gets material support from paper, I think that many in the world do not know about this.
  • Growlers
    Growlers 12 December 2020 13: 50
    0
    The West was, is and will be our enemy. Everything else is fiction
  • Forever so
    Forever so 12 December 2020 18: 15
    -1
    In the Kremlin, they are not stupid, in the Kremlin there are ordinary compradors who feel sweet in a close family of ugly creatures, at the filthy bucket of Western civilization.
  • alexander ivanov_9
    alexander ivanov_9 14 December 2020 05: 10
    0
    Putin made this conclusion a long time ago
  • Vlad Seletsky
    Vlad Seletsky 14 December 2020 12: 15
    0
    Who didn’t scold the Russians,
    Whoever hasn't made them Honduras ..
    At least one anal
    And .s on .se
  • verumvita
    verumvita 15 December 2020 14: 23
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    On the one hand, everything is written correctly, but this does not change anything. Understanding what to do. In fact, Gorbachev, Yeltsin and Putin got a state with a mass of people, but without society, self-sufficient people. A self-sufficient person is one who is really involved for whom the prosperity of the country is both his prosperity as an individual and the future of his family. It is tied to the country by private ownership of the means of production. And the education and standard of living of the country's population, its income and authority. But the population, tamed to power, supports any authoritarian regime and does not want to understand anything in politics. And nobody understands another life and does not want to understand. Any leader who comes to power acts on the same principles as others before him. To cobble together the crackers of the paper machine (artisans from politics), for whom the system of thieves in law is the only available form of inner life. An official of any rank is the same six, the crackpiper sang along with the veiled robbery of the people. But the people themselves, embittered by the government and the system, dream of revenge, are ready to surrender themselves to power to any ghoul like Stalin, just to punish, even without knowing whom, but to a greater extent themselves. This is the looping system that goes through the circle and returns to the same thing. The main problem is the depersonalization of the people. In order to overcome, one must not fuss in front of each other, but create a society capable of reaching an agreement and working out the principles of the country's development.
  • loaln
    loaln 16 December 2020 15: 31
    0
    The first article, with which I agree almost 100%.

    I only disagree with the following statement:
    "I would like to note that since then Mikhail Sergeyevich has not grown a little wiser. He still says with resentment that the Americans promised in words (!) Not to expand NATO to the east, and then deceived. The stupidity is amazing."

    Gorbachev is by no means stupid ...
    This is a base political scum.
    Sly and cunning.
    You can't even call her a TRAITOR.
    It is worse than this concept by 3 orders of magnitude.
    This is the JUDAS of the human race that lived in the vastness of the USSR.
    1. Sahalinets
      23 December 2020 02: 50
      0
      You overestimate him greatly. He's just stupid. And “stupidity is the most destructive force in history.” (C) K. Marx.
      1. loaln
        loaln 28 January 2021 09: 47
        0
        A fool is he who evaluates human activities as stupidity.
  • Verkhovskaya
    Verkhovskaya 5 January 2021 06: 39
    0
    It's far from Sakhalin, apparently. Written by shrimp! Putin, in his opinion, came to an open field, and not to power surrounded by traitors, agents and outright scoundrels who had been sitting there since the times of the USSR. Lord, give strength and long years to our president. Dragged Russia away from the abyss of civil war, decay and chaos!
  • Thomas the Unbelieving
    Thomas the Unbelieving 19 January 2021 23: 18
    0
    I think that everything is more complicated. The West, and even more so its colonists in America, and the South and North, are in themselves cruel people who destroyed more than one people, more than one civilization. Therefore, from the I century Russia did not lag behind the West, as Gaidar proclaimed, but fought back from Catholicism, or rather from the "crusades" that began with the murders and robberies of Orthodox Christians and Jews. It is not for nothing that Alexander Nevsky was recognized as a saint by our church. Therefore, any literate person in our country knows that this public is negotiable only under missile sight. In the meantime, our government is behaving as in the well-known anecdote about Anka, who told Chapaev: "Everybody threaten, Vasily Ivanovich."
    But there is another side of the issue, the solution of which would be nice to learn from the Chinese. We must take everything that is possible and impossible, necessary and useful for us. In return, it would be desirable to get by with promises in which our authorities are very adept. They forgot that the army and the navy have one ally, the people. It is worth recalling Roosevelt's address to the people of the United States on the radio on May 7.05.193, XNUMX:. “Even before I took office, I came to the conclusion that Americans should not be forced to bear the burden of such a policy. This would mean not only the further loss of homes, farms, savings and wages by people, but also the loss of spiritual values ​​- a loss of confidence in the present and the future, which is so necessary for the peace of mind and contentment of each person and his family. Once these values ​​are destroyed, it will be difficult to regain people's trust. And it is clear that neither the naked calls for confidence emanating from Washington, nor additional loans to shaken financial institutions, could stop the downward movement. I realized that an urgent program of action needed to be implemented, it was not only justified, but absolutely necessary for national security. "
  • Amadeus Ivanov
    Amadeus Ivanov 21 January 2021 14: 11
    0
    "Although about people selected on the basis of personal loyalty, I would think." But it is interesting on what other principle, besides professionalism, the author, sitting in the chair of the president, would select a team for himself. Devotion is not such a bad quality of people. And I am a big opponent of the theory to betray it in time, not to betray it, but to foresee it. If Putin has mistakes? Undoubtedly there is. Yes, today anyone who comes will have them and can even more. Only I am a supporter of the fact that for one beaten, two are not beaten. And yet, a rake has been prepared for each president ... And a lot has been done in this country, amid the global crisis and the sanctions environment, over 20 years. And the standard of living, whoever said what, people began to live much better ...