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US stealth fighters spotted by Russian container radar near Iranian border

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US stealth fighters spotted by Russian container radar near Iranian border

The first over-the-horizon radar station (radar) "Container", which took up combat duty on December 1, 2019, has fully confirmed its capabilities to control the airspace at a distance of several thousand kilometers from the Russian border. This was reported by the RTI press service.


Over the past period of time, the means of the ZGO "Container" radar have detected and determined the trajectory parameters of strategic, reconnaissance and tactical aircraft. aviation, including flights of stealth fighters from NATO countries

- said in a statement.

For example, on January 8, 2020, the Russian "Container" radar station recorded six fifth-generation F-35 American stealth fighters located at the Iranian border a few hours after Iran launched an attack on American military bases in Iraq. The Russian radar station fully controlled all US preparations for a retaliatory strike, tracking the movement of all aircraft in the area, including the stealth aircraft.

Currently, only one over-the-horizon 29B6 "Container" type radar is being built on alert. The receiving complex of the station is located in Mordovia near the settlement of Kovylkino, and the transmitter of the station is located in the Nizhny Novgorod region. The radar monitors the airspace over Europe to great depths.

In total, four such stations are planned to be deployed: one each in the west and east of the country, two more will be deployed in the north-west and south directions. Stations are specially built inland, as they have a “dead zone” of 900 km.

Radars are designed to detect all types of aerodynamic targets, including airplanes, cruise missiles, hypersonic aircraft and so on. "Container" is able to control flights of any air targets at a distance of about 3 thousand kilometers in the sector 240 degrees. A radar can simultaneously track over 5 of thousands of airborne objects of various types, including small ones.
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  1. zwlad
    zwlad 2 December 2020 08: 37
    +24
    About how!
    I didn't know that we have such a thing in Mordovia.
    "Partners" about invisibility will say that they were 100500% with lenses.
    1. vvvjak
      vvvjak 2 December 2020 08: 52
      +5
      Quote: zwlad
      I didn't know that we have such a thing in Mordovia.

      S. Lavrov (if I'm not mistaken) announced this news back in January.
      1. zwlad
        zwlad 2 December 2020 09: 45
        +1
        Missed means.
    2. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 2 December 2020 12: 39
      +2
      Quote: zwlad
      "Partners" about invisibility will say that they were 100500% with lenses

      And so it was. Even here (on VO) they wrote about it. hi
    3. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 2 December 2020 20: 22
      +3
      Quote: zwlad
      "Partners" about invisibility will say that they were 100500% with lenses

      Luneberg lenses do not work at these wavelengths. Stations on HF, meter range.
      1. bayard
        bayard 3 December 2020 00: 42
        +1
        The "Container" has a decameter range.
      2. zwlad
        zwlad 3 December 2020 07: 22
        0
        So what don't work. And they will say it all the same. Where are the f35 adepts here?
      3. Svateev
        Svateev 3 December 2020 13: 52
        +1
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Luneberg lenses do not work at these wavelengths. Stations on HF, meter range.

        Depends on the size of the lens. For a meter wave, the lens should be at least half a meter, or better - a meter. And such a lens can be created by replacing the "stealth" skin with duralumin skin, for example, at the junction of the fuselage and tail. In a combat situation, it changes back to "stealth".
        "In January, Rossiyskaya Gazeta, referring to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, reported that the Container radar with a high probability has detected and tracked the flights of American F-35 Lightning II fighters!
        Such a reservation is, with a high degree of probability, correct. Check and check what we see there.
        And then they already saw everyone, they torn everyone ...
    4. 7,62h54
      7,62h54 3 December 2020 10: 13
      +3
      In the Mordovian forests, not only zones, there are many interesting things hiding
      1. Jager
        Jager 4 December 2020 12: 19
        -1
        In the same place, "Vestnik of Mordovia" is broadcasting from a dugout soldier
  2. Kapkan
    Kapkan 2 December 2020 08: 39
    +24
    Well what can I say !?
    I am proud!
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 2 December 2020 08: 44
    +12
    Lots of locators and different ones!
    Plus a system, structures for rapid response to various ..... objects, threats, and so on, so on, so on.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 2 December 2020 09: 09
      +10
      Learned to detect. This is good news.
      I hope we can do it. But they won't write about it.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 2 December 2020 09: 45
        +13
        Quote: Alex777
        I hope we can do it. But they won't write about it.

        They write. In different ways, it is true, but if you really look like that, there are no goals that cannot be targeted !!! From different distances, with different degrees of accuracy, with different percentages of damage, but not hitting targets have long ceased to exist.
        Fairy tales about invisible people, after all, they are fairy tales .... but in real life, it's just a matter of costs for the process of defeating ANY object.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 2 December 2020 12: 09
          +4
          there are no goals that cannot be targeted !!!

          This is true. An S-117 missile was pointed at the F-125. And there were small pieces.
          But the F-35 is "invisible" in the radar range of modern missile guidance.
          As far as I understand, one meter radar sees him, but millimeter one does not.
          Therefore, seeing an F-35 and shooting it down with a rocket are slightly different things. hi
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 2 December 2020 12: 26
            +9
            Quote: Alex777
            Therefore, seeing an F-35 and shooting it down with a rocket are slightly different things.

            There are methods, how to bring down the "not knocked down" as well as such, how to overcome the unavoidable!
            Now, it's just a matter of cost / expense .... it will pass a little and everything will fall within the norms of reasonable, acceptable costs.
            It so happened that the means of attack develop somewhat faster than the means of defense, but as a rule, this is not always the case.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 2 December 2020 12: 27
              +2
              Here I completely agree with you. And I really hope. drinks
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 2 December 2020 12: 32
                +1
                We have already gone through this ... and it will continue to be the same.
          2. bk0010
            bk0010 2 December 2020 21: 53
            0
            Quote: Alex777
            Therefore, seeing an F-35 and shooting it down with a rocket are slightly different things.
            I don't see a problem: there are missiles with an active head, if you take it out to the stealth area (well, at least 5 kilometers to the plane), then it will perfectly capture the target (the signal weakens in proportion to 4 degrees from the distance, at this distance the target of any shape will be captured). Yes, there are not very many such missiles yet and they are significantly more expensive, but stealths are much more expensive, too, there are not many of them yet.
            1. Sergey Sfiedu
              Sergey Sfiedu 3 December 2020 20: 22
              -1
              What is the "Container" dead zone? If I am not mistaken, under 1000 km. mb even more. And what is the accuracy? Something I doubt that with such data you will be able to bring the rocket to the enemy plane at 5 km.
              1. bk0010
                bk0010 3 December 2020 21: 15
                0
                Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
                What is the "Container" dead zone?
                What are you, I'm not talking about the "Container", I wrote about the usual air defense systems and fighters.
          3. Evil Booth
            Evil Booth 5 December 2020 09: 27
            0
            firstly, millimeter IR thermal optical, they see it like m and di see in some angles from a distance, not very much, if it's a radar from the 60s))
      2. hydrox
        hydrox 2 December 2020 09: 51
        +5
        They will definitely write!
        Guidance aircraft are engaged in AWACS, for which the Container (as the initial link of the network center) gives an approximate azimuth and an approximate distance. AWACS, being in the middle link of the network centric system, determines the coordinates of targets and issues them to aircraft - execution managers (such as the Su-57 with a pack of Hunters) - then work on elimination follows.
        Question: Will the A-50 and A-100 that are in service be enough for us to operate at least in 3 conflict points separated by distances of up to 15 Kkm?
      3. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 2 December 2020 12: 50
        +2
        Quote: Alex777
        Learned to detect. This is good news.
        I hope we can do it. But they won't write about it.

        Back in the USSR, only little sense from this, in this case. Check out the specs of over-the-horizon radars. Populist article
      4. Prisoner
        Prisoner 2 December 2020 16: 59
        +2
        And it wouldn't be worth writing about detection. As Vinokur said, "let there be a surprise." winked
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 2 December 2020 19: 24
          +3
          Or maybe it's better not to lead to surprises?
          Let them sit at home and wonder - what if they get hit? wink
          And do not show aggressiveness where it is not necessary.
  4. askort154
    askort154 2 December 2020 08: 52
    +14
    ... So, on January 8, 2020 the Russian radar "Container" recorded six American stealth fighters of the fifth generation F-35, located at the Iranian border ...

    I remember Lavrov said this then. He only expressed himself in his diplomatic language. "According to some reports, 6 F-35s were patrolling near the borders of Iran." Now is the time to voice the truth. A good "present" for F-35 fans on the VO site! good
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 2 December 2020 08: 59
      +4
      A good "present" for F-35 fans on the VO site! ....... and the fans for that, and the fans that are against the wall with peas .... really convinced of the coveted fetish when they get a significant splash ...
      1. dauria
        dauria 2 December 2020 09: 40
        +4
        A good "present" for F-35 fans on the VO site!

        What's the point? Yes, we know they are flying. We raise the interceptors. So ? How to shoot and how to aim a rocket? Wait until it starts to "glow" in the range of 3 cm - this is the meaning of a small ESR. The adversary will have time to cut it himself. So a fan is not a fan, but since the appearance of the R-23p and "sparrow" (more precisely, since the 70s), a small EPR is already a necessity, not a whim. Like camouflage instead of an orange infantry jacket.
        1. Kurare
          Kurare 2 December 2020 10: 15
          +6
          Quote: dauria
          So a fan is not a fan, but since the appearance of the R-23p and "sparrow" (more precisely, since the 70s), a small EPR is already a necessity, not a whim. Like camouflage instead of an orange infantry jacket.

          hi No, not a whim. Projects PAK-FA (Su-57) and Okhotnik, as an example, are proof of this. But, the question of price. If expensive camouflage is put at the forefront of the infantryman's outfit and from this you are not able, say, to "run fast" ...
          In general, you need a reasonable approach and the right compromise.
          1. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 2 December 2020 11: 53
            +6
            In general, you need a reasonable approach and the right compromise .... a compromise must be in the heads of the commanders of the mess .... here's an example .... Nagorno-Karabakh .... with an incredible amount of air defense systems and an ideal mountain landscape for air defense, they managed to do it. ... and 4 years earlier, the LDNRists managed to practically destroy the aviation of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the steppe landscape, and the drones beat it because the hunters on the hunt, without shooting their prey on the banks, smack ... that's a compromise ... something is needed in the head have
        2. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 2 December 2020 11: 39
          +2
          Wait until it starts to "shine" in the range of 3 cm ..... in the radar there is such a concept as a signature, it is this concept that defines the target, .. it is in the database that the signatures of the LO are put into the database so that they do not miss. and no matter the EPR ... the target is detected, identified and then ogly ...
          a small EPR is already a necessity, not a whim ....... well, on the front end, tell the attack aircraft when a pair of Arrows, Eagles and whether Stings are chasing him ... and for a missile carrier of the Tu-95 and Tu-160 type, like on the EPR drum , shmalnet from 5000 km and home .... and all this hype about stealth and EPR is the lot of residents of banana republics who have hunger when there is no veta
          1. zlinn
            zlinn 2 December 2020 12: 22
            0
            with the signature in the meter range, the situation is not very good, i.e. you can distinguish a bomber jacket from an airplane, but more precisely, no
            1. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 2 December 2020 13: 32
              +3
              with the signature in the meter range, the situation is not very good ..... and the meter does not need more .... the main thing is to warn the meter. and there already all the "beasts" of the radar will catch up to your taste and quantum,
          2. Sergey Sfiedu
            Sergey Sfiedu 3 December 2020 20: 32
            +1
            "the target is detected, identified and then ogly ..." - to detect a target of a meter-range radar does not mean to shoot down. The radar of the meter range will not fit into the seeker of anti-aircraft and aircraft missiles, and in the centimeter range, unobtrusive aircraft of the seeker will be caught only at close range. "An attack aircraft that can be shot down with" Arrows "is not even yesterday, but the day before yesterday. Now an attack aircraft is an anti-Papuan aircraft, but not an aircraft for fighting a serious enemy.
            1. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 3 December 2020 21: 28
              0
              and in the centimeter range, unobtrusive aircraft of the seeker will come across only at close range ..... well, you explain it to the forecasters. which clouds from figs knows where they are tracking ... that's just a question. .. and how much iron is in the steam clouds !!! .. so you shouldn't shine with nonsense ....
              .
              Now an attack aircraft is an anti-Papuan aircraft, but not an aircraft for dealing with a serious enemy ..... that is why attack aircraft are so popular at the moment. and for a serious enemy there is Tu-95 and Tu 160 as well as the entire ammunition load of the Strategic Missile Forces
        3. Evil Booth
          Evil Booth 5 December 2020 09: 29
          +1
          that is, a rocket with a range of 135 km for the s400 with a homing seeker on short waves just like that? or for a moment29 receiving a control center and reaching for 70+ km or for a moment31 for 100+ is it just like that? okay, but in c300 centimeters I was aiming at the pershing warhead from a hundred km and there will be more stealth. the correct cone scatters perfectly.
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 2 December 2020 10: 26
      +4
      Quote: askort154
      A good "present" for F-35 fans on the VO site!

      Now you will be quickly smashed, a sect of American weapon lovers, for such words. For them, the F-35 is a god!
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 2 December 2020 11: 10
        0

        APASUS (Pavo)
        Today, 10: 26
        NEW

        +1
        Quote: askort154
        A good "present" for F-35 fans on the VO site!

        Now you will be quickly smashed, a sect of American weapon lovers, for such words. For them, the F-35 is a god!
        They, this "deity", into which they tumbled, and will tumble the grandmother, even if they kiss in the nozzles! But the fact remains - flying publicized invisibility)) laughing , nothing more than the usual VERY EXPENSIVE trash !!! wassat With which I am personally ardent, and I sincerely congratulate! laughing
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 4 December 2020 00: 28
          -1
          Quote: aszzz888
          But the fact remains - the flying stealthy invisible ones)) laughing, nothing more than the usual VERY EXPENSIVE trash !!!

          Nevertheless, the Persians in Syria, and sometimes in Iraq, regularly arrive, and the air defense, which does not have any analogous air defense, has not been spotted. F-35I Adir is not visible, but they are lol
    3. aszzz888
      aszzz888 2 December 2020 11: 02
      +3

      askort154 (Alexander)
      Today, 08: 52
      NEW
      +5
      ... So, on January 8, 2020 the Russian radar "Container" recorded six American stealth fighters of the fifth generation F-35, located at the Iranian border ...

      I remember Lavrov said this then. He only expressed himself in his diplomatic language. "According to some reports, 6 F-35s were patrolling near the borders of Iran." Now is the time to voice the truth. A good "present" for F-35 fans on the VO website ! good
      They are silent as they stuffed matzo into their mouths! wink
  5. 9PA
    9PA 2 December 2020 08: 54
    +4
    I'm a complete layman, just wondering what is the principle of operation that can recognize an airplane at 3 tkm, there is almost the other side of the earth
    1. dauria
      dauria 2 December 2020 09: 17
      +19
      just wondering what is the principle of work


      In the shortwave range. The beam "shines" upward at an angle, is reflected from the ionosphere layer downward at an angle beyond the horizon. It hits the target and is reflected in all directions. Part of the power goes in reverse "Makar", and not necessarily the position of the receiver coincides with the transmitter. Hence the dead zone, and the visibility of "invisible". In the HF range they "glow" like any ten-meter log. Radio amateurs at consumptive capacities on HF contact Australia, and here the unfortunate couple of thousand km
      1. 9PA
        9PA 2 December 2020 12: 07
        +2
        Thanks, lucidly
        1. dauria
          dauria 2 December 2020 19: 23
          +4
          Thanks, lucidly

          You are welcome. Only I greatly simplified the problem. In fact, the "mirror" of the ionosphere is not so simple. There are many layers, the concentration depends on the height and even the time of day (day-night). Reflectance depends on wavelength and angle of incidence. Frequencies above 30 MHz (10 meters) pass through. It is necessary to constantly monitor the state of the ionosphere; in the reflected signal, apart from the target, there will certainly be interference from the ground. To create a narrow beam in azimuth and elevation in the HF range - whole antenna fields of hundreds of meters are needed.
          The accuracy is so-so. But on the other hand, with modern electronics, CAFAR is already possible at these frequencies with all the charms of super-resolution in the angle, comparison of frames, binding to the radar map by landmarks.
          1. 9PA
            9PA 4 December 2020 09: 09
            0
            I read this site only for the sake of such comments
    2. faiver
      faiver 2 December 2020 09: 39
      +6
      there is almost the other side of the earth
      - you have bad geography, 3 thousand. km it is not so that it would be very far on the scale of Russia, for example, from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok in a straight line 7,5 thousand. km
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 2 December 2020 10: 49
        +5
        Quote: faiver
        there is almost the other side of the earth
        - you have bad geography, 3 thousand. km it is not so that it would be very far on the scale of Russia, for example, from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok in a straight line 7,5 thousand. km

        Therefore, it is day in Kaliningrad, and night in Vladivostok. As I understand it, the problem with detection is not in geography, but in the fact that the earth is round.
    3. rocket757
      rocket757 2 December 2020 09: 54
      +5
      Quote: 9PA
      I wonder what is the principle of work

      You can "light up" and get a reflected signal ... but then a real high-tech process begins !!! To make a selection of the received signal and to isolate from a huge array of any "garbage" a little bit of useful, necessary information !!!
      This became possible only when super-efficient computing systems appeared ...
      Processing the resulting array and obtaining the necessary information from it is now 70 - 80 percent of the cost of computing power. In general, AI would be useful here.
  6. Ros 56
    Ros 56 2 December 2020 08: 58
    +6
    Well, they asked the striped ones to look for a new invisible paint for their invisible ones, but now they have no time. lol
    1. Nikon OConor
      Nikon OConor 2 December 2020 09: 09
      +1
      Hello. I suppose a fellow countryman? Orenburg?
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 2 December 2020 09: 11
        +1
        Orsk, a little east of Orenburg. lol hi
        1. Nikon OConor
          Nikon OConor 2 December 2020 09: 17
          +1
          Yes, I know where Orsk is wink Greetings again)
          1. Nikon OConor
            Nikon OConor 2 December 2020 09: 22
            +1
            To my shame, I have only been to you in town about one time, and I don’t remember anything. You understand - a demobilization car, a stop for half an hour, a train station, grandmothers, vodka))
            1. Ros 56
              Ros 56 2 December 2020 09: 33
              +1
              Himself, where and where from now, and then the nickname is naughty to yourself?
              We have Voronezh here not far in the direction of Novoorsk, but I have no idea how it differs from the Container
              1. Nikon OConor
                Nikon OConor 2 December 2020 09: 47
                +1
                Himself from Orenburg and now in Orenburg. Nick - that's the name Nikanorov, so it stuck.
                And "Voronezh" is mainly for missile defense, above the horizon, for ballistic purposes. I could be wrong.
  7. Nikon OConor
    Nikon OConor 2 December 2020 09: 08
    0
    Eh, if only ours would also transfer target designation to Iran then. There are opportunities, but the desire ...
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 2 December 2020 09: 10
      +6
      Iran is not our friend or enemy ...
      1. Nikon OConor
        Nikon OConor 2 December 2020 09: 13
        +2
        if not an enemy, then why not try to become a friend? We need friends, without forgetting the words of Emperor Alexander about Russia's allies.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 2 December 2020 09: 35
          +2
          A friend is a spiritually close state .... There are quite good relations with Iran with mutually beneficial business. Information costs money and you can use it with our own technology. It also costs money. And, if everything goes well, Iran's policy and actions should be predictable for us.
        2. vfwfr
          vfwfr 2 December 2020 10: 08
          +4
          Friend and brother can only be your own Army and Navy! "" Iran is not our friend and not an enemy .... "" The key word: "and not an enemy ...." but does not say that they love us there .. just neighbors, nothing more. **** will help you with mixing. The fact that we fly and launch missiles through them into Syria is so much a coincidence of interests.
          1. Nikon OConor
            Nikon OConor 2 December 2020 10: 19
            +2
            I support. But how many "secret" calls and agreements had to be coordinated in order to "fire" missiles through their territory? And if there was a friend, then 1 call - "everything is fine, we are flying."
            Something like that))
            1. vfwfr
              vfwfr 2 December 2020 10: 26
              +3
              "And if there were a friend, then 1 call -" everything is fine, we are flying. "" This is a "democratic friend" system. When the US calls Germany or Poland with 1 call ... But, this is not a system of friends ...
              1. Nikon OConor
                Nikon OConor 2 December 2020 10: 31
                +1
                No, you did not understand. nuuuu .... Oh! When the Iskanders attack NATO bases in Poland, no one will ask R. Belarus for permission.
                Do you understand what I mean?
                1. vfwfr
                  vfwfr 2 December 2020 10: 42
                  +3
                  I see.
                  In reality: If it goes like that (God forbid). They will ask permission for permission, because it will be awkward ...
  8. Kuz
    Kuz 2 December 2020 09: 16
    +16
    An interesting detection tool ... What will the "partners" come up with now?
    1. AlexeyEg
      AlexeyEg 2 December 2020 13: 39
      0
      No need to invent .. Electronic warfare of course. Which was not included.
  9. 123456789
    123456789 2 December 2020 09: 20
    +2
    Quote: zwlad
    "Partners" about invisibility will say that they are lenses were 100500%.

    Aha! With loupes laughing
    1. AlexeyEg
      AlexeyEg 2 December 2020 13: 41
      0
      It's funny, of course .. but it is. Lenses are removed only during the beginning of real hostilities
      Luneberg lens
      1. Kart
        Kart 3 December 2020 08: 58
        0
        You do not understand?
        For this frequency range, it does not matter at all whether there are lenses there or not.
        Quote: AlexeyEg
        Electronic warfare of course. Which was not included.

        Yes of course. And the weapon was not loaded.
        So, purely for a walk.
        And of course, our guys don't know anything about electronic warfare.
  10. Yves762
    Yves762 2 December 2020 09: 26
    +1
    what
    Can ...
    To blame (!) soldier
    Rr-let me clarify (at least) the names of the companies whose "hardware" production is used in the sym ...? ...

    Ps Don't swear, Pls. Harmfulness itches too; also need to scratch; you also need to scratch about something, where there is less discomfort to others ... repeat
  11. askort154
    askort154 2 December 2020 09: 31
    +17
    ZGRLS - "Container" in Russia already 4 units.
    1 - in Kovylkino (Mordovia) - “covers” the European theater of operations up to England;
    2 - in Zeya (Amur Region) - "covers" the theater of operations - China, Japan, all of Korea.
    3 - in Kalmykia - covers: Turkey, Syria, Israel, Egypt, Iran, Iraq and all
    Arabian Peninsula
    4 - in Eastern Siberia - covers: Kazakhstan, Central Asia, Pakistan, India, Burma.
    (no longer secret, everything is in open sources)
    Israeli "colleagues" like to "show off" here that their f-35s fly almost around the clock over the entire BV, but no one sees them. In the end, a solid - blah blah blah. I insisted for a long time, although I was "booed" here that
    "stealth" is a 20th century utopia. Tens of tons of metal and electric magnetic radiation cannot fly unnoticed. The opposition does not sleep, but develops dozens of responses. The article slightly opened this topic, but we do not know what developments are still available today and tomorrow.
    1. Raven 95
      Raven 95 2 December 2020 10: 14
      +13
      "stealth" is a 20th century utopia

      What's wrong with stealth?
      As far as I understand, the Container sees everything perfectly in the HF range. What to do next with this information?
      An air defense missile or an air-launched missile for accurate guidance must capture a target in the VHF range.
      We need missiles with active seeker, or illumination from an external source. And then the stealth of the target climbs out - go see this "unobtrusive", or he will see you earlier with his sight.
      Of course, there is no information about the accuracy of determining the coordinates by the Container. But according to the laws of physics, it is naturally less than in VHF. Even if we assume that in real time the information from the Container will go to the air defense launcher or to the interceptor (which raises doubts), is there enough accuracy to fire a rocket into the designated area of ​​the sky, and then the rocket will find the target itself?
    2. vfwfr
      vfwfr 2 December 2020 10: 18
      0
      "" "stealth" is the utopia of the 20th century "" "Well, this vaunted stealth was shot down in Serbia at one time .. The S-200 system seems to be).
      PS Even then)
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 2 December 2020 12: 03
        +6
        Quote: vfwfr
        "" "stealth" is the utopia of the 20th century "" "Well, this vaunted stealth was shot down in Serbia at one time .. The S-200 system seems to be).
        PS Even then)

        S-125. Only for this it was necessary to know exactly where the "lame goblin" would fly in order to place the division's position next to the track.
        Because, judging by the description of this battle, the Serbs faced exactly the same problem that was already described above: the OVTs radar sees the target, but the battalion's radar does not. And without detecting the target of the battalion's radar and taking at least manual escort, you cannot shoot. More precisely, you can shoot (RKTU allows this), you cannot hit.
        And only when the F-117 was deep inside the kill zone for conventional aircraft, something appeared on the UNK indicators (when firing at a normal target, the capture takes place even outside the affected area).
        Actually, it was this multiple decrease in the target acquisition range of the Zrdn radar that was one of the tasks of the development of the "lame goblin": the enemy will either have to endure "holes" in his air defense, or spend huge money on a multiple increase in the number of air defense systems to compensate for the decrease in the target acquisition range.
        1. Evil Booth
          Evil Booth 5 December 2020 09: 31
          0
          deep in the zone of eot for them 15 km. in fact, it's always like this, only modern ones deep in the zone are not even 150 kilometers, but 300 kilometers. with sterlba over the horizon as well.
    3. aszzz888
      aszzz888 2 December 2020 11: 00
      +2

      askort154 (Alexander)
      Today, 09: 31
      .... Israeli "colleagues" like to "show off" here that their f-35 fly almost round the clock over the entire BV, but no one sees them. In the end, a solid - blah blah blah. I insisted for a long time, although I was "booed" here that
      "stealth" is a 20th century utopia. Tens of tons of metal and electric magnetic radiation cannot fly unnoticed.
      They will mumble now and try to cast a shadow on the fence. The grandmothers then they threw in and threw in are not small, so they need to pump out at least here. wink
  12. kill the fascist
    kill the fascist 2 December 2020 09: 45
    +2
    Good. And without the halo of "invisibility" 35 and 22 are a completely different product ... for a lot of money.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 2 December 2020 10: 56
      +3

      kill the fascist (Noname)
      Today, 09: 45
      NEW
      +2
      Good. And without the halo of "invisibility" 35 and 22 are a completely different product ... for a lot of money.
      And to be honest, FOR VERY BIG BABKS !!! But you never know the Hollywood gadgets Merikatos, for example Zumvolt, do not know what to do with it and where to write off the money spent on this program! laughing
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 2 December 2020 11: 17
        +1
        Quote: aszzz888
        And to be honest, FOR VERY LARGE BABKS !!!

        If we see it on the screens of Containers, and then on the screens of dipole and AFAR field radars, then the REAL price of this product will be equal to the price of a rubber band with a strawberry smell (per pack!)
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 2 December 2020 11: 21
          +2

          hydrox (hydrox)
          Today, 11: 17

          0
          Quote: aszzz888
          And to be honest, FOR VERY LARGE BABKS !!!

          If we see it on the screens of Containers, and then on the screens of dipole field radars, then the REAL price of this product will be equal to the price of a strawberry-scented gum (per pack!)
          Most likely it will be so. good But the whole trick is that this program has been dumped, and huge grandmothers continue to pour in (the merikatos push the penguins forcibly, fearing publicity), therefore their allies are furious, who here, foaming at their mouths, tore, and threw for this stuff.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 2 December 2020 12: 12
            0
            So you and I should only rejoice from this!
            Look: if we have one design team properly tackled one topic and is working on it, for example, from the S-200 to the S-700, then this team will take dozens of times less time for this work to obtain a milestone result, than 10 US firms-developers of such products, because the result may not correspond to the performance characteristics, and we will release another milestone result again, one step or two closer to solving the problems with the performance characteristics of the S-1000.
            But the costs of the Americans will be ten times higher than ours (this is the question of the ratio of the quality of weapons to the size of GDP.)
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 2 December 2020 12: 29
              +1
              And even if they sell their Fushki at the price of gold, their partners only get poorer because of this, the social situation of the population is only getting worse, and discontent is only growing (see France, Poland, USA ...!.)
      2. Sergey Sfiedu
        Sergey Sfiedu 3 December 2020 20: 38
        0
        Just to clarify - "Container" is also far from a penny.
  13. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 2 December 2020 09: 49
    +5
    What will the Jewish comrades say?
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 2 December 2020 10: 54
      +3

      Pessimist22 (Igor)
      Today, 09: 49
      NEW
      +1
      What will the Jewish comrades say?
      Scrolling through the manuals, looking for some kind of excuse! wink
  14. Sibguest
    Sibguest 2 December 2020 09: 56
    +1
    Apparently the Yankee pilot forgot to put on the invisibility cap: I can't-see-and-I-can't be seen.
  15. Operator
    Operator 2 December 2020 10: 16
    -4
    And techno ... ly continue to drown on VO about the accuracy of determining the coordinates of targets of the ZGRLS "Container" at the level of plus or minus bast shoes laughing
  16. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 December 2020 10: 22
    +5
    spotted six fifth-generation American F-35 stealth fighters
    Well, here again they have offended the Americans by giving reason to their "allies" who are acquiring "invisibility" to doubt their invisibility. But before the representatives of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation warned that they can see practically all NATO aircraft. The fact that the over-the-horizon radar has taken up combat duty can only be welcomed.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 2 December 2020 10: 52
      +1

      rotmistr60 (Gennady)
      Today, 10: 22
      NEW
      0
      spotted six fifth-generation American F-35 stealth fighters
      Well, here's another offended Americanin giving a reason for their "allies", acquiring "invisible", to doubt their invisibility. But before the representatives of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation warned that they see practically all NATO aircraft. The fact that the over-the-horizon radar has taken over on combat duty can only be welcomed.
      And also their allys who yelled in the margins of the site about the phi-35 who have no analogues in the world! wink
  17. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 2 December 2020 10: 46
    0
    The radar station controls Europe, and the fighters have been seen near Iran. Wonderful are your works, O Lord.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 2 December 2020 11: 38
      +2
      Now we can already see ALL of our southern underbelly from Taiwan to the Atlantic (4 sets are already in service!)
  18. aszzz888
    aszzz888 2 December 2020 10: 51
    -2
    For example, on January 8, 2020, the Russian "Container" radar station recorded six fifth-generation F-35 American stealth fighters located at the Iranian border a few hours after Iran launched an attack on American military bases in Iraq. The Russian radar station fully controlled all US preparations for a retaliatory strike, tracking the movement of all aircraft in the area, including the stealth aircraft.
    Well, what will the comrades say about this INCONFIRMABLE fact? hi Or give them information from white helmets, or muddy Jewish sources? tongue
  19. zlinn
    zlinn 2 December 2020 11: 00
    +1
    it is interesting to know how it was generally determined that it was an F-35? and not some kind of aerobatic team in the UAE?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 2 December 2020 12: 05
      +5
      Quote: zlinn
      it is interesting to know how it was generally determined that it was an F-35? and not some kind of aerobatic team in the UAE?

      We looked at the flight radar. smile
      1. zlinn
        zlinn 2 December 2020 12: 27
        0
        except maybe
  20. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 2 December 2020 12: 45
    +2
    Hmm? 2Captains obviousness ": the fact that stealth is optimized for the centimeter range and is detected in the meter range is the basics. Another thing is what exactly is detected, because target designation in such a range is impossible: more target designation accuracy is +/- several lengths waves.
  21. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 2 December 2020 13: 09
    0
    It is hard to believe that stealths at such a distance are detected by the horizontal. This trite contradicts the laws of physics and the very principle of designing stealth machines. Most likely, some large planes were discovered, then intelligence reported on the redeployment of stealths between home airfields, and we, for the sake of a good word, said that we had found the stealths themselves.
    This does not mean that the radar is bad - you just have to keep your head in the cold when the trumpets blare "Hurray!"
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 2 December 2020 15: 19
      +3
      I wrote above why they are found.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 2 December 2020 15: 30
        0
        It is banal that the scattering at such distances is already quite large, part of the radiation will be absorbed by a special coating, which is deeply parallel to a centimeter or meter. The devil is in the details - and the fact that "Stealth" is optimal for some ranges does not make it a big bright star in the sky for others - just its contours are LESS EFFECTIVE for other ranges, but "less effective" - ​​does not mean that it plays against him, or that his signature would be that of a maize. Mathematical modeling is mathematical modeling, and taking into account the distances, the fact that its RCS will be less than half against the meter range will not give anything. In the best case, they identify that it is "some kind of flying object". At distances less than a thousand kilometers, the moments described by you may work.
  22. Gregory Charnota
    Gregory Charnota 2 December 2020 14: 16
    0
    Tokyo protested against the deployment of S-300 air defense systems in the Kuril Islands
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 2 December 2020 15: 18
      +2
      S-300V4. Yes, let them protest as much as they want: any country can deploy any defense systems on its territory.
  23. Old26
    Old26 2 December 2020 17: 15
    +5
    Quote: hydrox
    If we see it on the screens of Containers, and then on the screens of dipole and AFAR field radars, then the REAL price of this product will be equal to the price of a rubber band with a strawberry smell (per pack!)

    If we see it on the "Container" screen, this does not mean at all that we will see it as far away on the screens of other radars. "Fence a garden" with stealth steel in order to reduce the target detection range. Moreover, we do not know the real parameters of the "visibility" of such machines. In peacetime, they fly with Luneberg lenses in order to be visible on their own radar screens.
    Therefore, the real price can be found out only after the start of a serious mess.

    Quote: hydrox
    So you and I should only rejoice from this!
    Look: if we have one design team properly tackled one topic and is working on it, for example, from the S-200 to the S-700, then this team will take dozens of times less time for this work to obtain a milestone result, than 10 US firms-developers of such products, because the result may not correspond to the performance characteristics, and we will release another milestone result again, one step or two closer to solving the problems with the performance characteristics of the S-1000.
    But the costs of the Americans will be ten times higher than ours (this is the question of the ratio of the quality of weapons to the size of GDP.)

    Building a stealth plane is a lot of money. And apparently it pays off. For why, then, do we need to fence the same "stealth" SU-57? Work on the creation of an air defense system is also not a cheap pleasure. It is necessary to create a sufficiently anti-jamming complex, otherwise they will simply be put out of action by means of electronic warfare. And the enemy will try to do it, as he did during the first Gulf War, when he created such a level of interference that he jammed all the enemy's radar assets. At first we did not pay attention to this, for which we received a "slap in the face" during the corresponding teaching. which caused Lemansky's untimely death.
    So it is very difficult to obtain a milestone result in the SAM system. And unfortunately, we cannot give an unambiguous answer "what and how", because in-1 our long-range air defense systems did not participate in any hostilities, in-2, our opponents never had real goals.

    Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
    The radar station controls Europe, and the fighters have been seen near Iran. Wonderful are your works, O Lord.

    Observation sector of the radar "Container"
    1. Initial sector (180 °)


    2. Modern sector (240 °)


    Quote: hydrox
    Now we can already see ALL of our southern underbelly from Taiwan to the Atlantic (4 sets are already in service!)

    Are there any footnotes to the materials that there are already 4 of them? There was only information that the second is planned in Zeya plus two more. Are planned. And the fact that they are there is some kind of data, or all this is from a series of things that are "planned".
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 3 December 2020 15: 50
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      "Fence a garden" with stealth steel in order to reduce the target detection range.

      More precisely, in order to reduce the target detection range in the working ranges of missile guidance stations. A decrease in visibility in the OVTs radar ranges was desirable, but not mandatory by 100% - for in the same meter range, the thickness and weight of the coating, which would provide a decrease in visibility, would simply not have allowed the "goblin" to rise into the air.
  24. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 2 December 2020 17: 20
    +3
    VHF radars distinguish between F-22 and F-35.
    The empennage is mainly giving out.
    The huge B-2, oddly enough, is much more difficult to detect for a meter radar,
    than the little F-35.
  25. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 3 December 2020 00: 24
    0
    Quote: rocket757
    there are no goals that cannot be targeted !!!

    You need to shoot down the foe!
  26. ilpine
    ilpine 3 December 2020 05: 00
    +1
    In principle, the landscape of the land and various structures are fully studied in the area of ​​operation of the system and possibly already in 3D. All this is recorded in the computers of the "Container" and is automatically excluded from the review. Objects are caught that disturb the established stable picture. Maybe this zone is still "highlighted" with something?
  27. This is the main
    This is the main 3 December 2020 07: 42
    0
    It was a good idea to conclude a commercial agreement with countries in need of such radar information, of course, based on the interests of HRT. The type of information field with different capabilities depending on the form of admission and the possibility of compromise.
    1. Azimuth
      Azimuth 3 December 2020 10: 05
      0
      Buyers with 400 I think this option is offered.
  28. sannyhome
    sannyhome 3 December 2020 10: 10
    0
    A little nuance. The F-35 was made invisible to the radars of other aircraft and missiles ... Not for stationary stations ...
  29. AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 3 December 2020 20: 01
    -1
    Are there facts or just advertising statements?