"Will be able to strike at continental America": Chinese version of the B-2 Spirit stealth bomber is being discussed online

Indians were one of the first, for obvious reasons, to pay attention to the new promising Chinese bomber. Smriti Chaudhary from The EurAsian Times published an article that the new Chinese bomber could strike continental America.

But this, of course, is rather an exaggeration, but for nearby countries from Japan and Taiwan to the same India, the plane can really pose a very great danger. Moreover, India, for example, is still inferior to China in modern weapons, and there is no talk of the production of its own aircraft of this class.

According to Chaudhary, the Chinese bomber, considered the Chinese version of the B-2 Spirit stealth bomber, will be the first of its kind in the People's Liberation Army (PLA) air force. Against the backdrop of the continuing militarization of the Asia-Pacific region, Beijing is considering the creation of the bomber as a response to the strengthening of the American military presence in Southeast and East Asia.

China itself claims that the N-20 bomber will have a range of at least 12 thousand kilometers, which will allow it to strike not only on the territory of the states bordering on the PRC, but also, for example, on the Hawaiian Islands, and before this American island state, the bomber will fly even without refueling during the flight.

Also, the bomber may pose a certain danger to the American military base on the island of Guam in Micronesia. Guam, as we know, plays a very important role in the system of ensuring the American military presence in the Asia-Pacific region, while China is well aware that in the event of any military conflict in the same South China Sea, the United States will actively operate from Guam. Consequently, the first thing China will do with the help of new aircraft will be to launch a preemptive strike against American military installations in Guam.

Meanwhile, there is still not so much information in the public domain about a promising Chinese bomber. For example, Wikipedia writes that its appearance will allow China to launch nuclear missiles from the air, land and sea, like the United States and Russia. The resource also draws attention to the similarity of the Chinese bomber with the "American" B-2.

Naturally, the Americans themselves are convinced that the Celestial Empire has once again appropriated American technologies. For example, Chris Osborne of The National Interest, talking about the new Chinese aircraft, recalls China's well-known habit of stealing or copying other people's designs and emphasizes that the similarity of the H-20 to the B-2 is striking. No need to be an expert in the field aviation technologies and strategic bombers to see by eye the similarities in the appearance of Chinese and American aircraft.

True, the American military department names slightly different technical characteristics of a promising Chinese bomber. The H-20 stealth bomber, developed by the state-owned China Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC), will have a range of 8500 kilometers instead of 12000 kilometers indicated by Chinese media, according to an annual report from the US Department of Defense.

As for the carrying capacity, the Chinese named a figure of 20 tons, while the Americans name only 10 tons of payload that the bomber can carry. Where did the US get this data from, the report does not say.

Comments

[svp67]

You do not need to be an expert in the field of aviation technology and strategic bombers to "by eye" see the similarities in the appearance of Chinese and American aircraft.

Yeah, as well as between the F-111 and the Su-24, the B-1 and the Tu-160 ... They are the same laws of aerodynamics.
And even with a range of 8 km, that is, about 000 combat radius, when equipped with these N-4 cruise missiles, the plane already poses a threat to any enemy, and if you consider how quickly China can produce everything ... so special

[Terrible_L.]

We must pay tribute to the military-industrial complex of China.
He could again.

[Orange bigg]

Whoever wants, he can. The Xian Y-20B with 4 Chinese WS-20 engines is already flying (an analogue of our IL-76), although in 2009-2020 China purchased 463 D-30KP-2 engines from us. (his Chinese clone WS-18 is also ready).

[Mooh]

We have been hearing for a long time - this Chinese engine is ready, and this Chinese engine is ready, and China is buying engines and buying everything. Recently, a Ukrainian plant was already trying to buy. Apparently so many good engines are already doing that they are trying to eliminate competitors :))

[2 Level Advisor]

Do not underestimate China, from the fact that the engine has a resource, even if it is 2 times less, the plane will not stop performing its functions, be able to fly and shoot, but it will simply get up for repairs more often .. the Chinese only have PLA 4000 in the Air Force! combat aircraft .. and not maize .. and then there is the fleet and army aviation ... + drones ..

[Mooh]

And I do not underestimate. It's just that nowadays it is customary to admire Chinese military technologies, and I do not share this admiration. No, even the highest quality copy of the original will ever surpass. The Chinese have obvious problems with engines. They not only cannot develop them, but even copy them with high quality. Chinese avionics is an unknown quantity, a solid Xerox weapon. It is far from the fact that 4000 PLA ​​Air Force combat aircraft have any combat value. The overwhelming majority of them are modernized copies of Soviet aircraft of the 50-60s. The Chinese tank at the biathlon crumbled to pieces, where did you get the idea that the planes are not the same rubbish? They fought with someone somewhere? How have they proven themselves? Does anyone else use them except for completely wild packs?
Accordingly, I believe that Chinese air power should be treated with caution. According to the reports of the Chinese press, they have outstripped us long ago and are rapidly approaching the level of our "partners", but that is all on paper. When they apply all this beautifully and technically and prove their superiority in a combat situation, then I will be the first to congratulate the Chinese comrades on a new place in the world order, but for now, I see a paper tiger with serious money but without an engineering school and combat experience.

[voyaka uh]

Now replace in your post the words China with Japan, the bomber with
battleship, etc.
And get one of the many and popular Russian newspaper articles
about Japan in 1904.

[Mooh]

Dear warrior, firstly, by 1904, Japan, by XNUMX, exemplarily cut China just by demonstrating the presence of some competencies.
And secondly, I do not consider all Chinese to be bad, but priori, I just do not take the Chinese at their word.
It seems to me that China is more likely not Japan 1904, but the USSR 1941. There is already quantity, but the transition to quality has not yet taken place.

[bayard]

Quote: MooH

No, even the highest quality copy of the original will ever surpass.

Let's remember the Christie tank and compare it with the BT-7 and T-34-85.
China is already moving away from pure copying and is leading its own development. Aircraft engines are a very difficult area, a school is needed here, and they are working on it. But in terms of avionics, they are already ahead of something. And they have their own element base.
And we have a Chinese one.
On the one hand, there is progress and development.
On the other hand, there is the degradation and withering of engineering thought and technical competence.
After the collapse of the USSR, the Russian Federation got only a part of the military-industrial complex of a great country, albeit the largest part, but its integrity was lost. Without Ukrainian aircraft engines and shipboard power plants from Nikolaev, a number of programs arose. For a long time and thoroughly. The radio component production base has been lost and is in no hurry to revive ...
There are few reasons to throw hats.
Much more cause for alarm.
And the authorities of the Russian Federation are in no hurry to correct the existing situation.
The United States is shaken by internal crises of a systemic nature. The US is weakening and its role of "city on the hill" is under threat ...
And China is gaining strength, its ambitions are growing.
We are neighbors of this growing monster, and I would not advise considering it an ally, friendly country, or even just a "fellow traveler". In China, they have long looked at us as an object and a goal.
If we blink, he will definitely not miss the chance.
But the authorities seem to have just gone crazy ... they ruin the economy, drive the population into poverty, provoke social discontent and an impending explosion. Moreover, he does not even try to correct mistakes, but only strengthens control and punitive means ...
... Something similar happened on the eve of the surrender and destruction of the USSR - the state was purposefully undermined, weakened economically and provoked into a social explosion ...
And the authorities did it.
There are almost no reasonable and correct actions in the modern government.

And China is getting stronger.

[Reviews]

Quote: bayard

Quote: MooH

No, even the highest quality copy of the original will ever surpass.

Let's remember the Christie tank and compare it with the BT-7 and T-34-85.

T-34 - "a copy of" Christie ""? They sailed ... However, BT-7 is also that "copy" ...

[bayard]

The chassis, suspension "Christie" for all these tanks is the same.
During WWII, the Americans and the British called our T-34s "Christie tanks", meaning the type of suspension, not the hull configuration.
The Americans (and all others), by the way, believed that the KV torsion bar suspension is much more perfect and promising. But at the Soviet factories, it was the Christie suspension that was well mastered, thanks to the large series of BT tanks.

[Reviews]

Quote: bayard

Chassis, Christie suspension

The chassis is not a suspension, it is a complex system.

for all these tanks is the same.

Yeah, then "Studebakers" are a copy of a peasant cart - there are also round wheels. => chassis are one.

During WWII the Americans and the British called our T-34s: "Christie tanks"

"I have no more questions." Adepts of the "sect of holy America" ​​do not know how to think.
All sorts of things.

[bayard]

You write nonsense, apparently because of your age.
We remember the Tu-4.
And then the Tu-16.
Much in common ?
But Tu-4 built several thousand - an exact copy of the B-29.
It was so necessary!
At that point in time.
But Tu-16, M-3M \ 4, Tu-95, this is ours. Primordial.
So they are. They took advantage of Fartuna, received the Su-27, Su-30 of the first version. But then they developed this topic in terms of avionics.
J-20, this is not a Soviet-Russian project at all, it is purely Chinese creativity.
Engine ?
The USSR also had problems with engines during WWII, the same Su-5 \ Su-7 were with American engines (produced by us). Even the first MiG-15s were equipped with Rolls-Royce engines, and only a little later with modernized domestic ones - a textbook story.
So what ?
Has it become a disgrace to the Soviet aircraft industry?
Of course not .
And by the end of the 80s, we reached the same level with them.
Look at the energy characteristics of AL-31 engines and their modifications.
"America" ​​for me has always been a country - a potential enemy, so there is no need to distort. But we, Soviet officers, treated the enemy ... carefully. And with a certain technical respect, for the ENEMY YOU NEED TO KNOW. And from your agitation, such as Rogozin, the defense does not grow stronger. And the enemy does not weaken.
And it’s a pity that you turned out to be a person not ... knowledgeable enough. About Christie's suspension, the assessment of these tanks by the Americans themselves and the results our specialists have learned from the experience and analysis of their research.
Need to study .
Lenin repeated this word three times.
And Stalin quoted regularly.

[Max Lebedev]

Until recently, the United States considered itself sufficiently protected due to its geographic location. And this aircraft is designed specifically for them, because other opponents of China can be obtained by cheaper and more numerous means.

[Orange bigg]

China is also building missile submarines, and they will cause the Americans much more trouble than the Chinese long-range aviation.

[withoutreverse]

Handsome man ..

[svp67]

Quote: withoutreverse

Handsome man ..

They will show it and see ... And I am so surprised that it has not yet been photographed from different angles at the stages of flight tests, from the same satellites. And to show, yet does not mean to be put into production and fully put into service. He still needs weapons

[DAQ]

Yeah, as well as between F-111 and Su-24, B-1 and Tu-160 ... The laws of aerodynamics are the same

I remember watching a documentary about the creation of the Su-24. The chief designer told with a smile how he shot the same f-111 at an air show in France. And in the beginning I just shot a general view. Then he began to shoot from different angles, an American soldier standing next to the plane just scored on him. And then, according to this designer, he insolently began to remove open mechanisms and all possible nodes from all sides. And according to the designer, some of the solutions were borrowed.
There is nothing to be ashamed of, this is just common sense.
In Korea, the ADEX 2019 exhibition was held in 2019. I myself saw how the Chinese (namely the Chinese, there were two of them and they spoke Chinese, not Korean.) Clicked on the giant f-35 photoguns. The American frowned and shook his head (but the plane was Korean, I don't know why the Americans were guarding). But the pepelats was partially closed, the cockpit, air intakes and something else were closed. Bitter experience takes its toll.
So yeah, most likely something was dangling.
I didn't take pictures of the Chinese.

[Doccor18]

.. while still inferior to China in modern weapons ...

Very soft and correct ...
Rather, more and more lagging behind ...

But the United States least of all needs to be afraid of the Chinese Н20. The war between China and the United States is a worldwide nuclear kaput ...
But those who need to fear this "stealth bomber" are Japan, Taiwan and India, as well as all those who dare to challenge Chinese dominance in the South China Sea.

[Orange bigg]

All of you the above countries should, first of all, be afraid of the numerous Chinese ground-based missile launchers and MRBMs and Chinese fighters with the CD. Is it sense to use strategists against neighboring Japan, India and Taiwan?

[Doccor18]

.. of numerous Chinese RC and MRBM ..

The strategist, in comparison with the MRBM, is a more flexible system. Some Singapore, Brunei or Papua New Guinea can be scared to death if you send a couple of dozen strategists to their shores. There is no war, but the problem is solved. MRBM can be launched, but this is 100% war.
And India will be more negotiable if a squadron of strategists suddenly flies along its coast ...

[Reviews]

Americans are convinced that the Celestial Empire has once again appropriated American technologies.

In what way, I wonder? No, well, the general outlines can still be explained somehow, but in such aircraft, an equally important component is the EDSU, engines and, most importantly, the radio-absorbing coating. His Yankees also blurted out to the Chinese?

[Thrifty]

And what about the engines for this miracle of the Chinese aircraft industry?

[Orange bigg]

Infa on the capabilities of the Chinese strategist.

The N-20 strategic bomber will be equipped with air-to-ground missiles with nuclear and conventional warheads. The takeoff weight of the vehicle will be at least 200 tons, and the combat load - up to 45 tons. The US Department of Defense estimates the range of China's new strategic bomber N-20 at 8 km (500 miles).

According to the engines of the strategist.

According to sources from the South China Morning Post, the N-20 is experiencing problems similar to those of China's first stealth fighter, the J-20, with engine development for the new strategic bomber significantly behind schedule.


For the J-20, engineers have developed high-thrust WS-15 turbofan engines, but it is believed that the new bomber uses the Chinese WS-10B or Russian AL-31FM2 / 3 engines, which compromise its agility and stealth at subsonic speeds.

Some experts suggest that the H-20 could use the Russian NK-321 engine
.

This is a variant of the NK-32, a two-circuit three-shaft turbofan engine with an afterburner, developed under the leadership of Nikolai Kuznetsov. But two independent military sources said the bombers will be powered by an upgraded version of the WS-10 engine.

“The WS-10 is still a transition engine for the H-20 because it is not powerful enough. Replacing the power plant with a more advanced version could take two to three years, ”a source told the South China Morning Post.

The second said that the speed of the H-20 will be less than previously estimated, and some of its combat capabilities will be reduced compared to the original version.

https://m.gazeta.ru/army/2020/05/06/13074085.shtml

[newcomer]

This is the case when a Hindu looks beyond the nose, but does not see under the nose. And under our noses is the common border and the Indo-Chinese region.

[fa2998]

Quote: svp67

and considering how quickly China can produce everything ...

Well, yes, they still fly the Tu-16 (seventy years old). They are discussing a phantom plane. China has done NOTHING in this area.

[shadow]

"The parabolic antenna of the H-019 radar distinguishes the B-2 even against the background of the earth" - the scandalous revelation of Larry Nielsen became the subject of heated debate among aviators. Nielsen is not a simple expert analyst. This is a high-class specialist, a test pilot of the US Air Force, who happened to take part in the test of the MiG-29. The plane fell into the hands of the Americans immediately after the reunification of Germany and presented the Pentagon with many surprises - acquaintance with the new Soviet fighter almost put an end to the fate of the "invisible".

https://topwar.ru/27892-stels-bombardirovschik-b-2-spirit-nlo-protiv-pvo.html

[Jacket in stock]

Funny guys, technology is determined by eye.
Okay, the look can be copied, but the technology can only be replicated.
For these are not pants, I bought ready-made haute couture, ripped them open and circled the patterns with chalk.
Yes, even pants, you also need to be able to sew exactly, and have a material.
And in a complex machine like an airplane there are hundreds of such material. And there are dozens of mechanisms, plus electronics, etc. etc. And all this must be able to do. This is an industrial grade.
But normal engines are not yet able to, they have not mastered the technology. But this is for now.

[Old26]

Quote: 2 level advisor

Do not underestimate China, from the fact that the engine has a resource, even if it is 2 times less, the plane will not stop performing its functions, be able to fly and shoot, but it will simply get up for repairs more often .. the Chinese only have PLA 4000 in the Air Force! combat aircraft .. and not maize .. and then there is the fleet and army aviation ... + drones ..

Unfortunately, Nikolay, this has become a tradition with us. Underestimate competitors' technique and overestimate your own. And such underestimations can end badly

Quote: Max Lebedev

Until recently, the United States considered itself sufficiently protected due to its geographic location. And this aircraft is designed specifically for them, because other opponents of China can be obtained by cheaper and more numerous means.

If the range (declared) it will still have 8500 km, and not 12000, then the only option for striking is Guam. In Hawaii, only under the condition of a range of 12000 km and a radius of 6000 (although the EMNIP combat radius is 2/5 of the range) and CD with a range of 2500 km, no less. Why make such a complex plane at the same time is not entirely clear. You can do something simpler, not "stealth"

[Reviews]

Quote: Old26

In Hawaii, only under the condition of a range of 12000 km and a radius of 6000 (although the EMNIP combat radius is 2/5 of the range) and a CD with a range of 2500 km, no less.

It is possible with a smaller radius.
I don’t know how many.

There will be many of these soon.


There are three of them.

Ex-Ukrainian, by the way.

[aszzz888]

"Will be able to strike at continental America": Chinese version of the B-2 Spirit stealth bomber is being discussed online

And not only "will be able", but also will do if necessary. Merikathos jumps to his own destruction. It will not be able to destroy such a territory as the PRC, but China will completely wash away this presumptuous page into the Ocean.

[Nitarius]

The United States, as I understand it, is pumping China with technology .. for a reason!

[Old26]

Quote: Avis

Quote: Old26

In Hawaii, only under the condition of a range of 12000 km and a radius of 6000 (although the EMNIP combat radius is 2/5 of the range) and a CD with a range of 2500 km, no less.

It is possible with a smaller radius.
I don’t know how many.

There will be many of these soon.


There are three of them.

Ex-Ukrainian, by the way.

Sergei! One of the phrases in the article is striking without refueling.

Quote: aszzz888

"Will be able to strike at continental America": Chinese version of the B-2 Spirit stealth bomber is being discussed online

And not only "will be able", but also will do if necessary. Merikathos jumps to his own destruction. It will not be able to destroy such a territory as the PRC, but China will completely wash away this presumptuous page into the Ocean.

Across continental America, using tankers only. And even then, it is difficult to say whether they can do it. In particular, there is no data on the amount of fuel in bombers, the amount of fuel that a tanker can deliver, etc.

[Reviews]

Quote: Old26

Sergei! One of the phrases in the article is striking without refueling.

Well, that's complacency. A "strategist" who has reached the target with refueling is no less dangerous than one who has reached without.

"Can strike continental America"

The continental United States, of course, will not reach, I wrote only about Hawaii. Guam is not alone in getting hit.

there is no data on the amount of fuel in the bombers, the amount of fuel that the tanker can deliver, etc.

Well, they write that the Tu-16N gives out 9,8 tons at a distance of 2500 km.
IL-78 gives up to 85 tons at a distance of 600 km. The Il-1000TD consumes 76 tons for the first 13 km, and then for every thousand - 9,5 tons. The total capacity of the fuel tank (fuel for the flight + given) is 118 tons. You can roughly estimate.