Russian peacekeepers began to build fortifications in Karabakh

An example of gabion fortifications of the RF Armed Forces

Russian peacekeepers are gradually settling on a new site for themselves, guaranteeing security in Nagorno-Karabakh recently. After the columns of military equipment, on which the military of the RF Armed Forces arrived in the region, equipment began to flow here for the positions they occupied.

The first photo and video materials from Karabakh provoked criticism about the arrangement of the Russian positions. The soldiers were actually in areas open for shooting, in a number of cases the vehicles were “hindered” by tires and improvised brickwork. However, the situation is beginning to change.

The military department showed footage of the construction of fortifications by peacekeepers. The Russian military fortifies deployment sites, checkpoints and observation posts using bulk gabion structures. The RF Armed Forces already have extensive experience in installing them. In particular, after attempts to inflict damage from the air at the Khmeimim airbase in Syria, the military aviation were urgently fortified by defensive structures of this type.

"Gabion" translated from French means "large cage". It is created from a wrapped frame, which, after installation, is filled with free-flowing material, such as sand, creating an effective protection against bullets and fragments.

A full-fledged checkpoint with this type of fortification is being deployed in the Shushi region.

Comments

[Thrifty]

Armored domes, that is, armored vehicles are needed there, and fortifications such as pillboxes, and not just armed equipment in an open field.

[Kapkan]

I agree. This would greatly strengthen the position of the shooters.

[Alex_You]

Quote: Thrifty

Armored domes, that is, armored vehicles are needed there, and fortifications such as pillboxes, and not just armed equipment in an open field.

Quote: Kapkan

I agree. This would greatly strengthen the position of the shooters.

With whom to fight then gathered. It seems that with one that on the other two friendly people. IMHO peace has been established on this piece of the globe.

[MoJloT]

With whom to fight then gathered.

So that you don't have to fight with anyone, you need to prepare to the fullest.

[Kapkan]

With whom to fight then gathered. It seems that with one that on the other two friendly people. IMHO peace has been established on this piece of the globe.

And so that it doesn't come from the mountains. And if it did, then there would be a minimum of victims, or none at all.

[kafa]

Two friendly people ..... peace.
You are probably talking about some other world.
There will be shooting and those and these and the third and .... everyone will aim at the peacekeepers.

[Alex_You]

Okay, no one will shoot there, and whoever dares to grab his hat.

[rotmistr60]

The first photo and video footage from Karabakh drew critical remarks about the arrangement of Russian positions

What kind of arrangement could one talk about in the first hours and days of bringing in peacekeepers? What, what, and always a lot to criticize, especially from warm apartments with a sandwich and a glass in hand. Everything has its time. Now they are strengthening, settling in, mastering, adapting to the situation. Everything is according to plan and I wish you only good luck.

[Lech from Android.]

What, what, and always a lot to criticize, especially from warm apartments with a sandwich and a glass in hand.

Gennady, these people are also useful ... do not allow slovens to relax.
Especially after the demonstrative flogging of Armenians by the Azerbaijani army.

[Lech from Android.]

Gabion is a good thing ... cheap, can be quickly erected and almost any shape configuration can be done ... close both the rear and flanks ... mine gaps or make fire bags (traps) for the attackers.
There is room for a thinking commander.

[Catfish]

True, but this is in the presence of loose soil, and in the mountains you will have to cut a stone.

[Lech from Android.]

and in the mountains you have to cut a stone.

The mountains are full of various dumps after landslides from the tops of the mountains ... for any size ... it is really a thankless task to carry them by hand.

[Eugene-Eugene]

The locals will hustle, an extra part-time job will not hurt them.

[Catfish]

This is true, especially when there are guys in uniform standing nearby with a very convincing argument in hand.

[Humpty]

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

The mountains are full of various dumps after landslides from the tops of the mountains ... for any size ... it is really a thankless task to carry them by hand.

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

The locals will hustle, an extra part-time job will not hurt them.

Your ideas delight me. I remember not a little dragged, and far away. Chuvala 45 kg each with pieces of rock crushed by hand to the size of a matchbox.
However, in the presence of a front-end loader and two men with scrapers and shovels, backfilling of gabions in mountain conditions is done very quickly. Moreover, the Lesser Caucasus, as well as the Eastern in essence, are heaps of geological debris.

[Boris Chernikov]

for these purposes 1-2 bulldozers with a bucket can be delivered to the position.

[sir.jonn]

Quote: Sea Cat

have to chop a stone

The stone is not the best material for shelter, fragments from the stone are no less dangerous than the damaging elements of ammunition. It is better at the preparatory stage to bring in the sand in the required volume, even from a distance. Another option is industrial crushers on a mobile chassis, I saw such crushers in the Norwegians, after them the whole fraction is there and in large volumes only dump trucks have time to ship

[Free wind]

It depends on what strength the material is, if what kind of sandstone, then yes, and if diabases with a strength of more than 2 tons, then the crushers fly.

[Alex777]

True, but this is in the presence of loose soil

And it is impossible to fall asleep instead of sand?
Will the protective properties be worse?

[zadorin1974]

Good time, Alexey. Gabions is really a wonderful thing. Transportation - a piece of one hundred sections will enter the Urals, mounted with a minimum of equipment, and most importantly, there is no ricochet, as from FBSs (sometimes blocks, due to lack of cement, were simply put on top of each other without a bundle - there were thoughts that with a close arrival you will be pressed down by this block)

[Mountain shooter]

It is very good that such gabions appeared. There are also collapsible steel structures for checkpoints and, in general, more serious fortifications ... you go into these at the "Army 2019" But this is all from a light rifle, grenade launchers and a maximum of large-caliber machine guns ...

[abrakadabre]

From artillery - bury yourself

You can't sit underground for long with artillery. It is necessary to counterattack from it and / or bomb in response. Better preventive.

[polar fox]

they took at least something useful from foreigners ... not like a shoulder strap on the belly.

[DAQ]

As I saw the photo, I immediately remembered the pictures from Afghanistan. There, Western countries used similar designs.

[Free wind]

The first mine or shell and all these structures will fly apart. But ours have nothing to do there, my conviction.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Free Wind

The first mine or shell and all these structures will fly apart.

It depends on what caliber the projectile is. If small, well, it will tear one basket and that's it. And if it is large, then it will pierce a meter of concrete, nothing will save it from it.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Free Wind

The first mine or shell and all these structures will fly apart. But ours have nothing to do there, my conviction.

does not fly away so quickly.
about the second statement, it's worth pondering and discussing the pros and cons.
present your thoughts on the topic

[Incvizitor]

There will be no ours, there will be Turkish terrorists.

[Boris Chernikov]

that's just a funny thing .. to break it, you need a direct hit .. only the fragments will tear the fabric and the mesh will be interrupted ... all this is treated in a quiet time in 20 minutes where 15 minutes will take XNUMX minutes to fall asleep backwards .. taking into account the cost, this is a penny solution

[Jacket in stock]

From such "gabions" in the form of a basket with earth, redoubts were built in ancient times.
This is easier than digging full profile trenches, especially when the ground is heavy and / or camouflage is not particularly necessary.
But it won't save you from the arrival from above.
Better bunker has not yet been invented.
But this is a long story.

[Alex777]

Better bunker has not yet been invented.
But this is a long story.

And long and not cheap. But if we are there for a long time, then it will come to that. According to the situation.

[Olkhovsky]

I will add a photo to the article if the author is too lazy.

[Eugene-Eugene]

The author was not too lazy, but there are rules for publishing private photos in the media.

[Olkhovsky]

This is not a private photo, but with the MO sign. So, the author was too lazy.

[Eugene-Eugene]

Link can

[Maki Avellevich]

filling with earth is not very good. sags, especially during rains.
sand is the very thing.

[Boris Chernikov]

add ... and how much will it sag? 15 cm? not critical ...

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Boris Chernikov

add ... and how much will it sag? 15 cm? not critical ...

gabions in three floors, 15 shrinkage each. you're right, bullshit.

[Boris Chernikov]

yes, even if it gives some draft, then due to the scale of the second tier it will not collapse anywhere

[Free wind]

The loader operator needs to knock on the pump, the front wheels are half-deflated, with such differences in the transmission diameter, the kirdyk will come quickly. Interestingly loader Belorusovsky Amkodor, or a real American BOBKET. amkodors are very fragile infections.

[DAQ]

Well, this is the army.
Nobody especially protects state property.
This is certainly bad, but this is the reality.
Even though expensive military equipment would be protected, it would not be bad.

[Alex777]

I will add a photo to the article if the author is too lazy.

Delightful! Here are the answers to all the questions.

[Glory1974]

I wonder if new types of fortification equipment have appeared in the governing documents? Or still experimental.

[Runway]

This is a police operations gadget. No one will play war from such a "fort" (it is harmful to health to death).

[Boris Chernikov]

It’s something the Americans in Iraq / Afghanistan use ... just like ours in Syria ..

[Runway]

And did the Yankees fully rake a lot in the range of 12,7-120 mm? The post, surrounded by such a palisade, and the brave adherents of "gabion-bastions", will be carried out into one gate by a small group (the agsik / RS will be pressed from the ground, in 3-4 RPGs (2-3 volleys) they will suppress the group, and the riflemen will clean up with grenades).
Keep on believing ...

[Boris Chernikov]

I will reveal a terrible secret, experienced soldiers will take out any checkpoint if they wish, any checkpoint, even from concrete slabs, can be destroyed with a shot from an RPO ... following your logic, soldiers should not build fortifications, and they do not need armored vehicles with helmets ... because you can always do something work ..

Then there are a couple of important points: 1) not everywhere you can dig trenches and trenches for standing, 2) more often shelling is carried out impartially in the hope of catching shrapnel .. therefore gabions are cheap and angry .. they cost a penny, but you can erect fortifications that will allow calmly move while standing without fear of a sniper or an accidental mine ...

[_Ugene_]

it is good against bullets and shrapnel, but how are peacekeepers protected from attack drones? gabions for drones are an excellent target, just don't say that they are not going to fight, with such logic, gabions are useless and armored vehicles too

[Cananecat]

Quote: _Ugene_

it is good against bullets and shrapnel, and what protects the peacekeepers from shock drones

Classic nonsense ... one strike drone above our peacekeepers is enough, so that no one else takes off from both warring sides for a long enough time ... if it is not clear, all questions are to Georgia

[_Ugene_]

well, if for you the dead peacekeepers are "classic nonsense" then I have no questions for you, then our soldiers were shot as in a shooting gallery and they could only die heroically in response, it seems that our Ministry of Defense does not learn from their mistakes or they just do not care about losses, why in general, to introduce peacekeepers who cannot even ensure their own security, then they would put civilian observers

[Cananecat]

And I see you change your views depending on the concept of recent conflicts, but you don't make conclusions about the consequences ...))

[_Ugene_]

I understand on the merits of the question you have nothing to answer?

[Cananecat]

I am not in the habit of explaining twice. ))

[_Ugene_]

I understood from the first time that for you our dead peacekeepers are "classic nonsense"

[Cananecat]

For those who are not even in a tank, but in an armored train, I will ask only one question. Which side and which attack drones would risk using against the peacekeeping contingent? )))

[iouris]

What does it look like in a drone photo?

[svoit]

Quote: Alex_You

With whom to fight then gathered. It seems that with one that with the other two friendly people

They may be friendly to us, but they were able to stir up such a fight that they could not reconcile in the USSR and the VV

[Incvizitor]

I will not be surprised if the Russian structures erected in a month will be better than those in Karabakh in a quarter of a century.

[Gunter prereen]

Don't give a damn to them there. Caucasians must solve their problems themselves. And preventing them from doing this is Russia's biggest mistake. Which will come back to haunt more than once. It is true that ordinary people will pay for it. The incident in Volgograd once again clearly showed that the laws for these "children" of the mountains are not written, and there is no morality. And how many such incidents in Volgograd we do not know about. All this "brotherhood" chatter only works one way. In the meantime, we plow at work, pay more and more taxes every year, CAUCASUS STEPS!

[saygon66]

- Did you buy cells from "HESCO"? Or an unlicensed copy?

[Object.F7]

And no one is confused by the presence of dominant heights directly above this fortified area? Moreover, with dense vegetation. 5-10 terrorists from the mountains within a minute can arrange such a dressing down ... there will be not a fortress, but a cage. Oh, everything, I am silent.