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Russian peacekeepers began to build fortifications in Karabakh

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Russian peacekeepers began to build fortifications in Karabakh

An example of gabion fortifications of the RF Armed Forces



Russian peacekeepers are gradually settling on a new site for themselves, guaranteeing security in Nagorno-Karabakh recently. After the columns of military equipment, on which the military of the RF Armed Forces arrived in the region, equipment began to flow here for the positions they occupied.

The first photo and video materials from Karabakh provoked criticism about the arrangement of the Russian positions. The soldiers were actually in areas open for shooting, in a number of cases the vehicles were “hindered” by tires and improvised brickwork. However, the situation is beginning to change.

The military department showed footage of the construction of fortifications by peacekeepers. The Russian military fortifies deployment sites, checkpoints and observation posts using bulk gabion structures. The RF Armed Forces already have extensive experience in installing them. In particular, after attempts to inflict damage from the air at the Khmeimim airbase in Syria, the military aviation were urgently fortified by defensive structures of this type.

"Gabion" translated from French means "large cage". It is created from a wrapped frame, which, after installation, is filled with free-flowing material, such as sand, creating an effective protection against bullets and fragments.

A full-fledged checkpoint with this type of fortification is being deployed in the Shushi region.
Photos used:
Russian Defense Ministry website
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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty 1 December 2020 05: 42
    +12
    Armored domes, that is, armored vehicles are needed there, and fortifications such as pillboxes, and not just armed equipment in an open field.
    1. Kapkan
      Kapkan 1 December 2020 06: 07
      0
      I agree. This would greatly strengthen the position of the shooters.
    2. Alex_You
      Alex_You 1 December 2020 10: 53
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      Armored domes, that is, armored vehicles are needed there, and fortifications such as pillboxes, and not just armed equipment in an open field.

      Quote: Kapkan
      I agree. This would greatly strengthen the position of the shooters.

      With whom to fight then gathered. It seems that with one that on the other two friendly people. IMHO peace has been established on this piece of the globe.
      1. MoJloT
        MoJloT 1 December 2020 11: 00
        +9
        With whom to fight then gathered.
        So that you don't have to fight with anyone, you need to prepare to the fullest.
      2. Kapkan
        Kapkan 1 December 2020 13: 00
        +4
        With whom to fight then gathered. It seems that with one that on the other two friendly people. IMHO peace has been established on this piece of the globe.

        And so that it doesn't come from the mountains. And if it did, then there would be a minimum of victims, or none at all.
      3. kafa
        kafa 5 December 2020 17: 49
        +1
        Two friendly people ..... peace.
        You are probably talking about some other world.
        There will be shooting and those and these and the third and .... everyone will aim at the peacekeepers.
        1. Alex_You
          Alex_You 6 December 2020 19: 36
          0
          Okay, no one will shoot there, and whoever dares to grab his hat.
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 December 2020 05: 45
    +40
    The first photo and video footage from Karabakh drew critical remarks about the arrangement of Russian positions
    What kind of arrangement could one talk about in the first hours and days of bringing in peacekeepers? What, what, and always a lot to criticize, especially from warm apartments with a sandwich and a glass in hand. Everything has its time. Now they are strengthening, settling in, mastering, adapting to the situation. Everything is according to plan and I wish you only good luck.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 1 December 2020 06: 05
      +7
      What, what, and always a lot to criticize, especially from warm apartments with a sandwich and a glass in hand.

      Gennady, these people are also useful ... do not allow slovens to relax. hi
      Especially after the demonstrative flogging of Armenians by the Azerbaijani army.
  3. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 1 December 2020 05: 48
    +13
    Gabion is a good thing ... cheap, can be quickly erected and almost any shape configuration can be done ... close both the rear and flanks ... mine gaps or make fire bags (traps) for the attackers.
    There is room for a thinking commander.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 1 December 2020 06: 11
      +5
      True, but this is in the presence of loose soil, and in the mountains you will have to cut a stone.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 1 December 2020 06: 31
        +10
        and in the mountains you have to cut a stone.

        The mountains are full of various dumps after landslides from the tops of the mountains ... for any size ... it is really a thankless task to carry them by hand. what
        1. Eugene-Eugene
          1 December 2020 06: 33
          +10
          The locals will hustle, an extra part-time job will not hurt them.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 1 December 2020 06: 38
            +1
            This is true, especially when there are guys in uniform standing nearby with a very convincing argument in hand. smile
          2. Humpty
            Humpty 1 December 2020 09: 37
            +5
            Quote: Eugene-Eugene
            The mountains are full of various dumps after landslides from the tops of the mountains ... for any size ... it is really a thankless task to carry them by hand.

            Quote: Eugene-Eugene
            The locals will hustle, an extra part-time job will not hurt them.

            Your ideas delight me. I remember not a little dragged, and far away. Chuvala 45 kg each with pieces of rock crushed by hand to the size of a matchbox.
            However, in the presence of a front-end loader and two men with scrapers and shovels, backfilling of gabions in mountain conditions is done very quickly. Moreover, the Lesser Caucasus, as well as the Eastern in essence, are heaps of geological debris.
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 1 December 2020 22: 28
              +1
              for these purposes 1-2 bulldozers with a bucket can be delivered to the position.
      2. sir.jonn
        sir.jonn 1 December 2020 09: 04
        +5
        Quote: Sea Cat
        have to chop a stone

        The stone is not the best material for shelter, fragments from the stone are no less dangerous than the damaging elements of ammunition. It is better at the preparatory stage to bring in the sand in the required volume, even from a distance. Another option is industrial crushers on a mobile chassis, I saw such crushers in the Norwegians, after them the whole fraction is there and in large volumes only dump trucks have time to ship
        1. Free wind
          Free wind 1 December 2020 11: 20
          +3
          It depends on what strength the material is, if what kind of sandstone, then yes, and if diabases with a strength of more than 2 tons, then the crushers fly.
      3. Alex777
        Alex777 1 December 2020 17: 03
        +1
        True, but this is in the presence of loose soil

        And it is impossible to fall asleep instead of sand?
        Will the protective properties be worse?
    2. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 1 December 2020 08: 55
      +4
      Good time, Alexey. Gabions is really a wonderful thing. Transportation - a piece of one hundred sections will enter the Urals, mounted with a minimum of equipment, and most importantly, there is no ricochet, as from FBSs (sometimes blocks, due to lack of cement, were simply put on top of each other without a bundle - there were thoughts that with a close arrival you will be pressed down by this block)
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 1 December 2020 06: 46
    +3
    It is very good that such gabions appeared. There are also collapsible steel structures for checkpoints and, in general, more serious fortifications ... you go into these at the "Army 2019" But this is all from a light rifle, grenade launchers and a maximum of large-caliber machine guns ...
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 1 December 2020 14: 04
      +2
      From artillery - bury yourself
      You can't sit underground for long with artillery. It is necessary to counterattack from it and / or bomb in response. Better preventive.
  5. polar fox
    polar fox 1 December 2020 07: 09
    +1
    they took at least something useful from foreigners ... not like a shoulder strap on the belly.
    1. DAQ
      DAQ 1 December 2020 15: 24
      +1
      As I saw the photo, I immediately remembered the pictures from Afghanistan. There, Western countries used similar designs.
  6. Free wind
    Free wind 1 December 2020 07: 22
    -16%
    The first mine or shell and all these structures will fly apart. But ours have nothing to do there, my conviction.
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 1 December 2020 07: 32
      +7
      Quote: Free Wind
      The first mine or shell and all these structures will fly apart.

      It depends on what caliber the projectile is. If small, well, it will tear one basket and that's it. And if it is large, then it will pierce a meter of concrete, nothing will save it from it.
    2. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 1 December 2020 09: 20
      +2
      Quote: Free Wind
      The first mine or shell and all these structures will fly apart. But ours have nothing to do there, my conviction.

      does not fly away so quickly.
      about the second statement, it's worth pondering and discussing the pros and cons.
      present your thoughts on the topic
    3. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 1 December 2020 17: 21
      +2
      There will be no ours, there will be Turkish terrorists.
    4. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 1 December 2020 22: 31
      0
      that's just a funny thing .. to break it, you need a direct hit .. only the fragments will tear the fabric and the mesh will be interrupted ... all this is treated in a quiet time in 20 minutes where 15 minutes will take XNUMX minutes to fall asleep backwards .. taking into account the cost, this is a penny solution
  7. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 1 December 2020 07: 29
    +5
    From such "gabions" in the form of a basket with earth, redoubts were built in ancient times.
    This is easier than digging full profile trenches, especially when the ground is heavy and / or camouflage is not particularly necessary.
    But it won't save you from the arrival from above.
    Better bunker has not yet been invented.
    But this is a long story.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 1 December 2020 17: 06
      0
      Better bunker has not yet been invented.
      But this is a long story.

      And long and not cheap. But if we are there for a long time, then it will come to that. According to the situation. hi
  8. Olkhovsky
    Olkhovsky 1 December 2020 08: 18
    +14
    I will add a photo to the article if the author is too lazy.



    1. Eugene-Eugene
      1 December 2020 09: 02
      +4
      The author was not too lazy, but there are rules for publishing private photos in the media.
      1. Olkhovsky
        Olkhovsky 1 December 2020 11: 41
        0
        This is not a private photo, but with the MO sign. So, the author was too lazy.
        1. Eugene-Eugene
          1 December 2020 13: 15
          -1
          Link can
    2. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 1 December 2020 09: 22
      +4
      filling with earth is not very good. sags, especially during rains.
      sand is the very thing.
      1. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 1 December 2020 22: 32
        0
        add ... and how much will it sag? 15 cm? not critical ...
        1. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 2 December 2020 08: 56
          0
          Quote: Boris Chernikov
          add ... and how much will it sag? 15 cm? not critical ...

          gabions in three floors, 15 shrinkage each. you're right, bullshit.
          1. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 2 December 2020 17: 24
            0
            yes, even if it gives some draft, then due to the scale of the second tier it will not collapse anywhere
    3. Free wind
      Free wind 1 December 2020 09: 32
      +4
      The loader operator needs to knock on the pump, the front wheels are half-deflated, with such differences in the transmission diameter, the kirdyk will come quickly. Interestingly loader Belorusovsky Amkodor, or a real American BOBKET. amkodors are very fragile infections.
      1. DAQ
        DAQ 1 December 2020 15: 30
        +2
        Well, this is the army.
        Nobody especially protects state property.
        This is certainly bad, but this is the reality.
        Even though expensive military equipment would be protected, it would not be bad.
    4. Alex777
      Alex777 1 December 2020 17: 07
      0
      I will add a photo to the article if the author is too lazy.

      Delightful! Here are the answers to all the questions. bully
  9. Glory1974
    Glory1974 1 December 2020 09: 30
    +1
    I wonder if new types of fortification equipment have appeared in the governing documents? Or still experimental.
    1. Runway
      Runway 1 December 2020 15: 01
      0
      This is a police operations gadget. No one will play war from such a "fort" (it is harmful to health to death).
      1. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 1 December 2020 22: 34
        -1
        It’s something the Americans in Iraq / Afghanistan use ... just like ours in Syria .. soldier
        1. Runway
          Runway 2 December 2020 00: 11
          -1
          And did the Yankees fully rake a lot in the range of 12,7-120 mm? The post, surrounded by such a palisade, and the brave adherents of "gabion-bastions", will be carried out into one gate by a small group (the agsik / RS will be pressed from the ground, in 3-4 RPGs (2-3 volleys) they will suppress the group, and the riflemen will clean up with grenades).
          Keep on believing ...
          1. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 2 December 2020 17: 23
            -3
            I will reveal a terrible secret, experienced soldiers will take out any checkpoint if they wish, any checkpoint, even from concrete slabs, can be destroyed with a shot from an RPO ... following your logic, soldiers should not build fortifications, and they do not need armored vehicles with helmets ... because you can always do something work ..

            Then there are a couple of important points: 1) not everywhere you can dig trenches and trenches for standing, 2) more often shelling is carried out impartially in the hope of catching shrapnel .. therefore gabions are cheap and angry .. they cost a penny, but you can erect fortifications that will allow calmly move while standing without fear of a sniper or an accidental mine ...
  10. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 1 December 2020 11: 55
    -5
    it is good against bullets and shrapnel, but how are peacekeepers protected from attack drones? gabions for drones are an excellent target, just don't say that they are not going to fight, with such logic, gabions are useless and armored vehicles too
    1. Cananecat
      Cananecat 1 December 2020 13: 49
      0
      Quote: _Ugene_
      it is good against bullets and shrapnel, and what protects the peacekeepers from shock drones

      Classic nonsense ... one strike drone above our peacekeepers is enough, so that no one else takes off from both warring sides for a long enough time ... if it is not clear, all questions are to Georgia
      1. _Ugene_
        _Ugene_ 1 December 2020 15: 38
        -3
        well, if for you the dead peacekeepers are "classic nonsense" then I have no questions for you, then our soldiers were shot as in a shooting gallery and they could only die heroically in response, it seems that our Ministry of Defense does not learn from their mistakes or they just do not care about losses, why in general, to introduce peacekeepers who cannot even ensure their own security, then they would put civilian observers
        1. Cananecat
          Cananecat 1 December 2020 15: 43
          0
          And I see you change your views depending on the concept of recent conflicts, but you don't make conclusions about the consequences ...))
          1. _Ugene_
            _Ugene_ 1 December 2020 15: 49
            0
            I understand on the merits of the question you have nothing to answer?
            1. Cananecat
              Cananecat 1 December 2020 19: 05
              0
              I am not in the habit of explaining twice. ))
              1. _Ugene_
                _Ugene_ 1 December 2020 19: 46
                0
                I understood from the first time that for you our dead peacekeepers are "classic nonsense"
                1. Cananecat
                  Cananecat 2 December 2020 09: 14
                  0
                  For those who are not even in a tank, but in an armored train, I will ask only one question. Which side and which attack drones would risk using against the peacekeeping contingent? )))
  11. iouris
    iouris 1 December 2020 13: 46
    0
    What does it look like in a drone photo?
  12. svoit
    svoit 1 December 2020 15: 49
    0
    Quote: Alex_You

    With whom to fight then gathered. It seems that with one that with the other two friendly people

    They may be friendly to us, but they were able to stir up such a fight that they could not reconcile in the USSR and the VV
  13. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 1 December 2020 17: 01
    +1
    I will not be surprised if the Russian structures erected in a month will be better than those in Karabakh in a quarter of a century. laughing
  14. Gunter prereen
    Gunter prereen 2 December 2020 10: 12
    -1
    Don't give a damn to them there. Caucasians must solve their problems themselves. And preventing them from doing this is Russia's biggest mistake. Which will come back to haunt more than once. It is true that ordinary people will pay for it. The incident in Volgograd once again clearly showed that the laws for these "children" of the mountains are not written, and there is no morality. And how many such incidents in Volgograd we do not know about. All this "brotherhood" chatter only works one way. In the meantime, we plow at work, pay more and more taxes every year, CAUCASUS STEPS!
  15. saygon66
    saygon66 2 December 2020 13: 47
    0
    - Did you buy cells from "HESCO"? Or an unlicensed copy? smile
  16. Object.F7
    Object.F7 5 December 2020 19: 07
    0
    And no one is confused by the presence of dominant heights directly above this fortified area? Moreover, with dense vegetation. 5-10 terrorists from the mountains within a minute can arrange such a dressing down ... there will be not a fortress, but a cage. Oh, everything, I am silent.