Military Review

On the threat of "senseless and merciless" riot in Russia

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The storming of the Winter Palace. Hood. N.M. Kochergin. 1950 year.


The situation in the world and in Russia is rapidly deteriorating. The Kremlin is losing the levers of economic management and does not know how to live outside the framework of the commodity model. A new threat arises in the West when, after the US elections, the Democrats come to power, who will inevitably unleash a cold war with Russia.

Trouble looms


Moscow's strategy to integrate the Russian Federation into Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok was initially flawed. As a result, this inevitably led to a situation "at a broken trough". Nobody needs an "energy gas station" in the future sixth technological structure, where the West is striving, led by the United States, China and Japan. The Russian elite does not know what to do next in such conditions. The raw model has been exhausted. Along with it, the time of the "elites" flourishing with raw materials ends. Rattling weapons (in the context of de-industrialization, total degradation of the country's social and economic infrastructure, as well as the destruction of science, education and health care) ꟷ will do nothing. As an example: the most powerful Soviet army in the world did not save the USSR from collapse. The war is going on at all other levels - both in the field of concepts of the future and on the basis of ideas, information, stories, economics, finance and technology. Direct aggression is unlikely, but the enemy's intervention and occupation of our strategic and most important points, which ensure our self-destruction (with a little help from outside), are real.

The "pandemic" showed the impending collapse of the control system. First, Moscow followed the West and imposed suicidal restrictions that neither protected the people from infection, nor saved the economy. At the same time, the Kremlin pulled back from the situation, giving the regional barons and princelings the opportunity to save themselves as best they could. Although, if the infection is as terrible as it was painted, then there are standard protocols from the times of the USSR, worked out and effective. Including an emergency situation, the use of resources of law enforcement agencies, the army. That is, the "virus" laid the foundations for the future autonomization of the Russian Federation. Then, when the “second wave” (caused by previous mistakes) began, the previous mistakes were not recognized. The situation was released, partially repeating the old methods, but without fanaticism, so as not to kill the economy. As a result, the people are rapidly becoming poorer. At first there was confusion and apathy, now anger and hatred are growing. People go to the streets around the world ꟷ France, Germany, Poland, Bulgaria, Latin America. Unrest in Georgia and Armenia.

The next stage (following the example of Ukraine and Belarus) will be the activation of the street and social protests. "Bells" go all over Russia - Arkhangelsk, Khabarovsk, Bashkiria, Dagestan, etc. They may soon merge into a common riot.

And the problems and questions from the people to the authorities have accumulated a wagon and a small cart. Here is the ecology. And the pension "reform" that is killing the people. The growth of various taxes and levies (the "people - new oil" strategy). And exorbitant arrogance and isolation from the masses of the caste of "new nobles." And the fall in the incomes of most of the population with a simultaneous growth in the capital of the oligarchy and the higher officials. And foreign policy "victories", which for some reason only worsen the strategic position of Russia. And the agony of school and medicine, which, in essence, turned into paid services, and much more.

The policy of recognizing credit debts of the regions of the Russian Federation and complete non-interference in their uncontrolled increase is an indicator of the loss of control over the economy. The contradictions in the regions, as well as between the regions and the center, are growing. Conditions are emerging for a new stage in the disintegration of Russia, the second after 1991. Thus, the Kremlin admits its helplessness. Loses the role of "lawyer-solvers" in conflicts between various groups and clans of the Russian "elite". The president, the administration and the government do not know what to counter the force majeure circumstances. All this is leading Russia to a new turmoil.

New Russian-Turkish war


The threat from the West is growing. Apparently, the Democratic Party, albeit through large-scale falsifications and control over information (media and social networks), and Biden came to power for four years. True, until January 2021, some unpredictable event may well occur, such as the war between Iran and Israel (with the involvement of the United States and Saudi Arabia). And the States can switch to internal turmoil. The team that is now gathering in Washington from globalists and neocons (neoconservatives) will obviously increase the onslaught on Russia. Trump, due to his concentration on domestic problems, did not particularly pester Russia. Democrats and globalists, on the other hand, are focused on global politics. Russia for them is one of the irritants, an unbroken "evil empire" to which ordinary people are distracted.

The attack will come from several directions. External is the continuation of the unspoken Russian-Turkish war. TV talks about the Kremlin's "multiple moves" and victories (only in Syria we have already won three times), but in reality we only concede, we bow down, leave the issues unresolved, postponed for later. In particular, Erdogan (who is pursuing a policy of re-establishing the Turkish empire, the "Great Turan") has already achieved obvious successes in Syria, Libya and the Caucasus. Turkey infiltrates Ukraine, targets Crimea. Through the Transcaucasia, the Turks reached the Caspian Sea and Turkestan, and there is a threat to the Russian North Caucasus, and then to the Volga region. Some of the global elites, in particular the British elite and American globalist democrats, are behind Turkey. The adherents of the new Turkish empire are being set against Russia, as has happened more than once in the past.

In the west and southwest, we get a practically continuous line of enemies: from the Baltic states and Poland to Ukraine, Georgia and Turkey. Ukraine has been turned into an anti-Russian battering ram. Now Moldova is joining them. They are backed by NATO. In recent years, the aggressive Western military alliance has been actively preparing bridgeheads for intervention in the Russian Federation. Obviously, not for direct aggression, but for "peacekeeping" and "humanitarian" operations in the event of internal turmoil in Russia.

For the new February revolution in Russia in Germany, Navalny is already ready. New Kerensky, head of the Provisional Government of "democratic" and "free" Russia. Promoted in the wake of the fight against corruption, showing all the rottened high officials, "responsible business" and state propagandists with huge incomes, foreign citizenship and property. The West noticed that the people yearn for social justice. This was also played in Belarus. It is obvious that within the Russian Federation Gref, Kudrin, Sobyanin, Medvedev and others are working on this scenario. However, "perestroika-2.0." will not lead to justice, as the Maidan in Ukraine previously did not lead to it: they will steal even more. It is expected that a new wave of "democratization" will only intensify all degradation processes, trigger a new parade of sovereignty, "reform" of the Armed Forces (disarmament and large-scale reduction). We have already gone through all this twice in the XNUMXth century. As the Russian historian Klyuchevsky said:

"History teaches nothing, but only punishes for ignorance of the lessons."

Kremlin tsutswang


Thus, the Kremlin today lives in a zugzwang environment. And in an atmosphere of "viral" isolation, into which he drove himself.

Note. Zugzwang (German Zugzwang "forcing to move") - a situation in checkers and chess, in which any player's move leads to a deterioration in his position.

And the continuation of the current show with an attempt to preserve the illusion (like "everything is fine, beautiful marquise") will inevitably lead to disaster. And she's not far off.

The West is preparing a color revolution in the Russian Federation, and part of the current elite is apparently working for it. This will lead to the collapse of the country and to civil conflict. To the inevitable war in the Ukrainian and Caucasian directions. Both Ukraine and Turkey are taking advantage of the situation in Russia. The new Februaryists will follow the path of surrendering the "disputed" territories - Kaliningrad, Karelia, Kuril Islands, etc.

But there is still a chance to stop all this in a civilized way.

What do we have to do


A window of opportunity should be discerned in the global near-mute crisis and in the coronavirus "pandemic". To act with all the ruthlessness of the workers and peasants. Break the enemy game in one fell swoop.

War is on the doorstep? It means that we urgently need to intercept the slogan of justice and truth from the enemy. Appeal to the codes of Russian civilization. The Russian idea is social justice and truth, the rule of ethics of conscience, solidarity and conciliarity. No predatory and parasitic capitalism.

Start mobilization activities immediately. Mobilization of the economy with a revision of the results of privatization and the nationalization of leading industries and enterprises, mineral resources, water, forests and land. New industrialization. Restoring control over the financial and economic system of Russia, which has been under the control of the IMF and the World Bank since the 1990s. The revival of true democracy is to create popular, modern and effective analogues of the Supreme Congress of Soviets and Councils of People's Deputies in the localities.

Is the enemy at the gate? Then what kind of "virus", what kind of quarantine? Are you out of your mind? You need to sound the alarm. By all means to strengthen the army and restore the industry, so that it produces everything of its own - from a nail to civilian liners. To carry out nationalization, including the capital that was taken out of the country.

Nationalize the elite. All gentlemen with dual citizenship, capital and property abroad should be deprived of their positions. Let them leave for their country villas and British apartments (but having lost their assets in Russia and after investigating the origin of their "labor" income).

Stop suicidal educational, migration and demographic policies. Restore the main achievements of pre-capitalist Russia - the rights to work, education, health care, housing, recreation, retirement, and personal security.

There is no other way to save the state and the people.
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  1. Normal ok
    Normal ok 2 December 2020 10: 03
    +9
    The author writes:
    where the West is striving, led by the USA, China and Japan.

    What? China, is it "West" ?!
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 2 December 2020 10: 13
      +53
      There is no other way to save the state and the people.

      I agree with the author. Without a paradigm change, and with it the entire "elite" nothing will come of it. It is necessary to return to the Soviet ideology, corrected for mistakes and taking into account modern realities.
      Otherwise, terrible times await us .. The darkness thickens.
      1. perm23
        perm23 2 December 2020 10: 26
        -10%
        Only one question, and who instead of them to put in power. WHO .. Who is sitting in a chair tomorrow will not steal or harm. as all this was already in our history from 1917 to the collapse of the USSR.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 2 December 2020 10: 29
          +42
          Quote: perm23
          Whoever sat in a chair tomorrow will not steal or harm. as all this was already in our history from 1917 to the collapse of the USSR.

          Do you want to say that since 1917, the Soviet government has only been engaged in theft and sabotage?
          1. Merry_Militarist
            Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 11: 56
            -74%
            Not only this, she also shot, destroyed and sold cultural values, starved her, got into the affairs of foreign states. The Soviet government showed its complete incapacity by 1991, its leaders did not even know the people they ruled.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 2 December 2020 12: 51
              +28
              Quote: Merry_Militarist
              Not only this, she also shot, destroyed and sold cultural values, starved her, got into the affairs of foreign states. The Soviet government showed its complete incapacity by 1991, its leaders did not even know the people they ruled.

              Why then did the population grow? Is it decreasing now?
              1. Merry_Militarist
                Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 13: 33
                -35%
                In your opinion, it grew permanently? Despite wars and repression? Or was this "growth negative"? (see Newspeak)
                And now it is decreasing, because the gate has been opened, and you can freely (for the time being) leave this heavenly paradise, which, by the way, many "sovets" for some reason did. Khrushchev's son lives in the United States, like Stalin's granddaughter.
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 2 December 2020 13: 37
                  +34
                  Quote: Merry_Militarist
                  In your opinion, it grew permanently? Despite wars and repression?

                  Exactly, in spite of the wars and repressions, it grew .. And you talk about serious topics, without having any information ..

                  A little about the liberal genocide in Russia, which began in 1991 and continues to this day.

                  There is an excellent article on Wikipedia. It is called "Population of Russia".
                  Here is a link to it (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_Russia). It has a section "After the Patriotic War". Where mortality and fertility are indicated, as well as natural and total loss and profit of the population by years. It is scary to look at the numbers of the decline of the 90s and 0s. Natural - excess of mortality over birth rate. Overall - natural decline plus how many people came and became citizens of Russia. In the 90s, Russians from the former republics of the USSR mainly became citizens of Russia. In the 0s, mainly residents of Central Asia: Tajiks, Uzbeks, Kyrgyz. Who went to Russia after the oil prices increased several times on the world market. And money appeared in Russia.

                  In the 80s, the population of the RSFSR only grew. Natural profit from 1980 to 1989 is exactly 8 million. 800 thousand a year. Total profit - 8.9 million. 890 thousand per year. Moreover, since 1988, the total profit began to grow due to the flight of the population to Russia from other republics. In 1990 and 1991, the natural and total income of the population decreased several times - the late perestroika. In 1991 up to 103 and in 1990 up to 240 thousand, respectively. Women do not want to give birth in a "hard time". But in 1990 and 1991, the wave of super-mortality had not yet begun.

                  Since 1992, there has been a collapse. Which lasted until 2010. From 1992 to 1999, natural loss was 5.9 million. 740 thousand a year. The total loss is 1.6 million per year. 200 thousand annually.

                  From 2000 to 2009, natural loss was 7.1 million. 710 thousand a year. That is, the natural decline of the 90s is no different from the 0s. For the people, the 0s were not better than the 90s, as they lie to us. Both the 90s and 0s were equally scary. Both are genocide. The total decline in the 0th is exactly 4 million. 400 thousand a year. And in the 90s, 200 thousand. That is, the population decline in the 0s is higher than in the 90s. And the 3.1 million who became citizens of Russia in the 0th are mainly residents of Central Asia.

                  In the 10s, from 2010 to 2016, the natural decline was 350 thousand. We are not talking about natural profit. The indigenous population of Russia continues to die out. Total profit - 1.6 million. 200 thousand a year. That is, in the 10th, 2 million more Tajiks, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks became citizens of Russia. And from 2000 to 2016 inclusive - 5 million.

                  General conclusion. In the 80s, on average, the birth rate per year exceeded the death rate by 800 thousand. Then in the 90s and 0s, the death rate exceeded the birth rate by more than 700 thousand. That is, every year Russia missed about 1.5 million people. From 1992 to 2010, there were 27 million casualties. Plus 4 million in the 10s. At least 31 million people - the price of liberal "reforms" in Russia! And the total losses from the Great Patriotic War, which include irrecoverable losses, excess mortality and a reduction in the birth rate, amount to 26.6 million. That is, in the course of liberal "reforms" we have lost more. By the way, it is not over yet and the losses continue to grow.
                  1. Merry_Militarist
                    Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 13: 52
                    -38%
                    That's it, in spite of the wars and repressions, it grew .. And you talk about serious topics, without having any information

                    Where does the information come from? It is clearly fake, during the Second World War they lost 27 million people, and on your chart - the growth of the population, as if there were no soldiers?
                    It looks like a "collective farm postscript" of the times of "developed socialism."
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 2 December 2020 14: 17
                      +15
                      Quote: Merry_Militarist
                      Where does the information come from? She's clearly phony

                      Look here .. The fact that the population of the USSR only grew is an absolute fact. https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/595fcbfd8e557dc4a7ebd3cf/chislennost-naseleniia-sssr-5f86c62201c3532acccae56f?utm_source=serp
                      1. Merry_Militarist
                        Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 14: 40
                        -35%
                        I thought that at least you would refer to an Internet library (like Cyberleninki) with serious monographs ... not a credit, to retake. For you know, the schedule is "too weird"
                      2. EvilLion
                        EvilLion 3 December 2020 08: 15
                        -4
                        Of course, it grew as long as the villages and the relative large number of children remained, as well as a third of the population fell on different Central Asians, who bred like cockroaches. In cities, however, there were more than 1-2 children per family already in the 60s and 70s it was not very common. But you continue to pray for the blessed Somalia and Congo with their fertility.
                    2. Niki71
                      Niki71 3 December 2020 17: 59
                      0
                      Damn, how can you be so stupid in the age of the Internet, Google to help!
                  2. credo
                    credo 2 December 2020 15: 06
                    -10%
                    Quote: Svarog
                    There is an excellent article on Wikipedia. It is called "Population of Russia".

                    Serious people never refer to Wikipedia, because this trash can does not have a credible author, but the owner is known who sits abroad of our Motherland.
                    Better refer to the Soviet encyclopedia.
                    1. Pilat2009
                      Pilat2009 3 December 2020 10: 12
                      0
                      Quote: credo
                      Quote: Svarog
                      There is an excellent article on Wikipedia. It is called "Population of Russia".

                      Serious people never refer to Wikipedia, because this trash can does not have a credible author, but the owner is known who sits abroad of our Motherland.
                      Better refer to the Soviet encyclopedia.

                      Which edition?
                  3. EvilLion
                    EvilLion 3 December 2020 08: 24
                    -11%
                    I am explaining the obvious things. 100% of people are mortal, so all your arguments about fertility and mortality are stupid anti-scientific nonsense, because they do not take into account demographic dynamics. The only criterion for the natural growth / decline of the population is fertility, if in a generation it is more than 2.2 births per woman, then the population grows, if less, then it decreases. The same Japan, to which they love to masturbate so much that there grandfathers live up to 80 years old (supposedly, there is an opinion that this is not a fact, and people simply pass off grandfathers for living so that pensions come longer), with a fertility of 1.3 if it does not die out rapidly now, since the old senile people still smoke the sky, it will begin to rapidly die out in the coming years. In Russia, fertility is not the worst by European standards.

                    Well, the fact that pensioners died in the 90s does not affect demography at all, maybe without shocks these people would have lived 5-15 years longer, but they would not have produced children. It is much more important that young people in the conditions of instability did not strive to have children.
                2. Bolt cutter
                  Bolt cutter 2 December 2020 15: 00
                  +17
                  like Stalin's granddaughter.
                  This freak wassat She was born in the USA, if that.
                3. flicker
                  flicker 2 December 2020 15: 51
                  +6
                  Khrushchev's son lives in the USA
                  From now on he no longer lives.
              2. sniperino
                sniperino 2 December 2020 14: 40
                -5
                Quote: Svarog
                Why then did the population grow? Is it decreasing now?
                The birth rate is growing approximately as under Brezhnev
                And the mortality rate is lower. But to the level of population growth, which was in the Republic of Ingushetia, we are like cancer before Beijing.
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 2 December 2020 14: 48
                  +16
                  Quote: sniperino
                  The birth rate is growing approximately as under Brezhnev
                  And the mortality rate is lower. But to the level of population growth, which was in the Republic of Ingushetia, we are like cancer before Beijing.

                  That is, we have order with demography? wassat Only Rosstat disagrees with you, they believe that the population of the Russian Federation is dying out .. -300 tons for half of this year .. that is, for a year at such a rate of -600, in 000 years 10 million, and given the fact that life becomes "more fun" then all 6 million .. in 10 years, the population of the Russian Federation will be replaced by Asians and Africans .. Your great-granddaughter will marry an African .. So be it ..
                  1. sniperino
                    sniperino 2 December 2020 15: 08
                    -20%
                    Quote: Svarog
                    the population of the Russian Federation will be replaced by Asians and Africans
                    If abortion is not banned, as among Asians, then yes. But the birth rate under Putin is growing, and the death rate is decreasing, Rosstat does not deny this.
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 2 December 2020 15: 26
                      +18
                      But the birth rate under Putin is growing, and the death rate is decreasing, Rosstat does not deny this.

                      Are you all right with your health? If yes, then a control question for you .. Under Putin, the birth rate is growing .. mortality is decreasing .. Where does the population decline come from then? 300 tons of people in 6 months ..
                      1. sniperino
                        sniperino 2 December 2020 16: 20
                        -14%
                        Quote: Svarog
                        Are you all right with your health? ... Where does the decrease come from then
                        The answer is below, if your eyes did not look out like on an avatar from mental strain.
                  2. sniperino
                    sniperino 2 December 2020 15: 22
                    -6
                    Quote: Svarog
                    That is, we have order with demography?
                    No, because now those who were born in the second half - late 90s began to give birth, and there were very few of them.
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 2 December 2020 16: 32
                      +12
                      But the birth rate under Putin is growing, and the death rate is decreasing,

                      No, because now those who were born in the second half - late 90s began to give birth, and there were very few of them.


                      I am not asking about the reasons, I am asking about the facts .. there is a fact -the decrease in the population of 300 tons in half a year .. You say that under Putin, the birth rate is growing, the death rate is falling .. You are asked a specific question, how is this possible? .. and the birth rate is growing in your opinion and the death rate is falling, while the population of Russia is declining?
                      1. sniperino
                        sniperino 2 December 2020 16: 38
                        -4
                        Quote: Svarog
                        You say that under Putin, the birth rate is growing, the death rate is falling ... You are being asked a specific question, how is this possible?
                        So that fewer young families have fewer children? This happens much more often than the opposite, especially when you consider the ideology of glamor and childzfree, which knocked them down.
                      2. EvilLion
                        EvilLion 3 December 2020 08: 11
                        -5
                        I understand that there are problems with the head, but for children to be born, parents are needed, and modern parents are mostly children of the 90s, of which there are very few. So you can go for anything, but Putin has absolutely nothing to do with it.

                        Well, if you prefer to drive around Turkey and take cars for millions instead of raising children, then you have no right to blame the authorities for anything.
                      3. bayard
                        bayard 3 December 2020 22: 12
                        +8
                        Quote: EvilLion
                        but Putin has absolutely nothing to do with it.

                        yes
                        He then in truth - nothing to do with it. smile
                        For twenty years, the authorities have been at the helm, the population has been steadily declining for 20 years, at the very least, the balance is maintained by migrants from the SA ... in 2014, more than two million Crimeans joined with Crimea ... and a couple of million migrants from the former Ukraine ...
                        AND THE POPULATION IS DECLINING. repeat
                        What is it like ?

                        So you are still claiming that "NOT GUILTY" ?!
                        Who's to blame? smile
                        Yeltsin?
                        Gorbachev?
                        "The legacy of the accursed Brezhnev"?
                        Or the Tatar-Mongol "yoke"?
                        Under the "yoke", Stalin and Brezhnev, the people multiplied and multiplied. Even under Gorbachev, they managed not to forget this.
                        And Yeltsin poked fun at only 8 years ...
                        And "solntselikiy" has been from success to success for 20 years already, from reversal to new rakes.
                        Over the past 7 years, the standard of living (real income) of citizens has fallen by more than 2 times. This is the level of the mid - end of the "zero".
                        And all the successes do not end!
                        We have already begun to master the budget of the Sakhalin Bridge !!! At such a time !!!
                        A nuclear super-icebreaker was laid down at an unfinished shipyard, which cannot yet build a tanker itself (sections are transported from Korea) - the money has been allocated in full.
                        ... Come on, all this ... He ... is building a "Collider" in Russia !!! belay ... With an unlimited (!!!) budget.
                        Everything for friends. yes
                        "To friends - EVERYTHING, to all others - MUSIC".
                        bully
                        As I see, the pension reform did not affect you ...
                        But the rest felt it.
                        And appreciated. yes

                        ... Hero? wassat
                        Savior?
                        Benefactor?
                        "Sage" belay on the throne ?
                        ... Or just a doll in the hands of thieves and usurpers?
                        bully
                        The time for promises is over.
                        The time to RESPONSIBLE ... is drawing near.
                        There is a time to scatter stones
                        There is a time to collect them
                        And there is time to throw these "weapons of the proletariat" into the brazen thieves' faces.
                        In October 1917, the People were RIGHT.
                        And he proved it by creating the best state in the world.
                        ... But he did not keep track of his SERVANTS afterwards.
                        AND THE SERVANTS SHOULD BE GREAT!
                        Stalin knew and remembered about this ...
                        And when it's too late to flog ... then they are beaten.
                      4. Vladimir247
                        Vladimir247 7 December 2020 15: 14
                        0
                        Or maybe you prefer it? laughing laughing Putin has been in power since 2000, the generation has grown, and it turns out to be nothing to do with it. Yeah. Does this mean a huge young generation is on the doorstep, which is about to give birth to children for us? Is it written like that in your training manual? But Putin and the government say that on the contrary, there are no youth, and therefore the retirement age was raised ...
                        I congratulate you, tovarisch, lied ... wassat wassat
                2. fa2998
                  fa2998 2 December 2020 19: 48
                  +5
                  There, on the graph, the latest data for 2015 is on the threshold of 2021. I think they are embarrassed to show new data. Despite the "maternity capital", there is a steady decline in the birth rate. hi
                  1. sniperino
                    sniperino 3 December 2020 08: 41
                    -5
                    Quote: fa2998
                    I think they are embarrassed to show new data.
                    The census will be - they will show.
              3. EvilLion
                EvilLion 3 December 2020 08: 12
                -1
                And to the level of population growth in Nigeria or Afghanistan, we are like walking to the moon.
                1. bayard
                  bayard 3 December 2020 22: 17
                  +2
                  Quote: EvilLion
                  And to the level of population growth in Nigeria or Afghanistan, we are like walking to the moon.

                  But we are catching up in terms of income.
            2. Dart2027
              Dart2027 2 December 2020 19: 26
              -6
              Quote: Svarog
              Why then did the population grow?

              In RI, it grew even more.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 2 December 2020 19: 52
                +2
                Quote: Dart2027
                Quote: Svarog
                Why then did the population grow?

                In RI, it grew even more.

                Do you have confirmation of this? Or are you so ... from the ceiling
                1. sniperino
                  sniperino 3 December 2020 08: 47
                  0
                  Quote: Svarog
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Quote: Svarog
                  Why then did the population grow?
                  In RI, it grew even more.
                  Do you have confirmation of this? Or are you so ... from the ceiling
                  in 1897 - 129 142 100 people, in 1914 - 178 378 800 people. For 17 years, the population of the country has increased by 49 souls.
                2. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 3 December 2020 18: 55
                  0
                  You have already been answered.
                  Quote: sniperino
                  in 1897 - 129 142 100 people, in 1914 - 178 378 800 people. For 17 years, the population of the country has increased by 49 souls.
            3. EvilLion
              EvilLion 3 December 2020 08: 25
              -2
              And why in Europe and the USA the population does not provide natural growth? Who's in the way there?
          2. Lannan Shi
            Lannan Shi 2 December 2020 13: 29
            +20
            Quote: Merry_Militarist
            Not only this, she also shot, destroyed and sold

            In general, the Soviet period is the only one in the history of Russia, when the country confidently took the second place in the world in terms of economy, and quite fought for the first. It was also the only period when the country was completely independent from foreign supplies. That, pre-revolutionary Russia, which was "plundered and shot", in fact showed its full economic. and as a result, military incapacity. First, Japan was drained with a bang, and then already losing to Germany and Austria. The modern one ... Confidently returns to the origins. To the role of a supplier of raw materials and a consumer of high-tech products.
            1. Merry_Militarist
              Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 13: 46
              -34%
              the country was completely independent from foreign supplies.
              And wheat and meat, in exchange for petrodollars, apparently, they brought us from Mars? (USA and Canada) the collective farm system was never able to feed the Union.
              Pre-revolutionary Russia calmly exported bread and butter, and did not die of hunger in millions.
              showed its full economic. and as a result, military incapacity

              Of course, when different Lenins propagandized the Army and "muddied the waters" in every possible way!
              Japan plums crackling first
              Japan plums crackling first
              , (country names are written with a capital letter).
              Pfft ... is it the Soviet army! Let's start at the beginning, how the Red Guard fled from the Germans in the winter of 1918. (until the Brest Peace was turned on) With a bang, it blew through Poland in 1920, leaving 60 thousand prisoners to starve to death. And then, with huge losses, it merged Finland. And finally, she cowardly fled Afghanistan. What can you say, invincible and legendary ...
              By the way, it was the USSR who "sat down on the oil needle," yep, when Samotlor was found.
              And modern Russia will be like that until the old Komsomol members are thrown into the grave.
              1. Lannan Shi
                Lannan Shi 2 December 2020 14: 09
                +18
                Quote: Merry_Militarist
                And wheat and meat

                And wheat and meat are just a matter of comfort, not existence. But the optics for the army, which in the Republic of Ingushetia was 101% made from German and British imports, and without which the very battleships that the crystal bakers are so proud of, and the three-inch ones that they are not so proud of anymore ... Without the same optics, they could only a la Napoleonic era, aim at the barrel. And shoot for 1-2 km. And this is critical. It was a matter of survival. And there were such "little things" ...
                Quote: Merry_Militarist
                Of course, when different Lenins propagandized the Army and "muddied the waters" in every possible way!

                So, information for. Even at the end of 1916, the number of the Bolsheviks did not reach 10 thousand. And a quarter of them "trampled on the zone." And there were also many abroad. 4-5 thousand people propagandized the army in particular, and the empire in general? To school, child, to school. Learn history and mathematics.
                Quote: Merry_Militarist
                What can you say, invincible and legendary ...

                Please do not please clarify. And who exactly piled on Germany, which united 2/3 of Europe? Probably the gallant US Marines, in company with the no less gallant Royal Nevi?
                Quote: Merry_Militarist
                And modern Russia will be like that until the old Komsomol members are thrown into the grave.

                Laponka ... At the head of the country is an old Komsomol member. Moreover, he is also a KGB agent. The Ministry of Defense is ruled by the regional committee's son, who has quite followed the party ladder. Roscosmos is ruled by no less golden party boy. The Interior Ministry is headed by a classic political instructor. At the Ministry of Emergency Situations there is one more party KGB agent. Do you seem to be calling for terrorist attacks against the country's leadership? Trying them on to the grave? Article of the Criminal Code however. And the ban on the site. yes
                1. Merry_Militarist
                  Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 14: 35
                  -23%
                  And wheat and meat are just a matter of comfort, not existence.
                  You tell this to the old man, in the store, taking the bread out of his hands, (I understand, the communists are no stranger to it) Fast for a week or two, and in the meantime I will hand you the binoculars.
                  You said in your previous message that the USSR did not import anything, but then it turns out that the USSR already bought whole factories from the USA, and not just machine tools, and I will also tell you that jet engines were the same in 1947.
                  So, information for. Even at the end of 1916, the number of the Bolsheviks did not reach 10 thousand. And a quarter of them "trampled on the zone." And there were also many abroad. 4-5 thousand people propagandized the army in particular, and the empire in general? To school, child, to school. Learn history and mathematics.

                  Yes, yes, do you have chtol? You do not pretend to be fools, except for Lenin, there were still all sorts of Socialist-Revolutionaries and other leftist rabble, wishing the Motherland to defeat.
                  Please do not please clarify. And who exactly piled on Germany, which united 2/3 of Europe? Probably the gallant US Marines, in company with the no less gallant Royal Nevi?

                  Once a year, a stick shoots ...
                  "Piled on Germany" - and you don't glue this vulgar sticker on your car: "we can repeat it"? . At what price was it achieved Victory and compare the losses even with the same Germans? Let me remind you that in 3 months the "invincible and legendary", driven by Klest and Guderian, ran all the way to the Moscow region from Eastern Poland. Heap .. as if you personally heaped.
                  Trying them on to the grave? Article of the Criminal Code however. And ban on the site

                  Oh, why so? Offended? Did you break the template for an opinion different from the "party line"?
                  1. Lannan Shi
                    Lannan Shi 2 December 2020 15: 00
                    +18
                    Quote: Merry_Militarist
                    You tell this to the old man, in the store, taking the bread out of his hands, (I understand, the communists are no stranger)

                    Let me tell you a terrible secret. The communists did not invent anything new from the repressive and distributive system. From cards to camps, everything is borrowed from the good king, father. yes But only the communists were selected for the construction of the military industry, and for the feeding of the army. And in Russia, old and modern, on palaces, rags and ballerunias of facilitated behavior.
                    Quote: Merry_Militarist
                    besides Lenin, there were still all sorts of Socialist-Revolutionaries and other leftist rabble, wishing to defeat the Motherland.

                    Information for. The overwhelming majority of the Socialist-Revolutionaries were defencists. For the war to victory. yes
                    Little child. Don't run away from lessons. I understand, it's boring and sad there, I finished school not so long ago, I still remember it. But they teach usefulness there. You will teach a little history, and you will not get involved in historical disputes, having the intellectual baggage of a novice shepherd boy. yes
                    Quote: Merry_Militarist
                    At what cost was the victory achieved

                    In WWI, the price was also considerable. But. Having at the front not an army of practically united Europe, but only half of the German army, and 3/4 of the Austrian one, RI raked such people ... And if divisions assembled from the same territory as in 1914 ... In 1941 the war would have ended.
                    Quote: Merry_Militarist
                    Oh, why so?

                    And nothing like that. You openly called for sending old Komsomol members to the grave. Of which the government of the Russian Federation is 101%, 70-80 percent of the Duma, and in general the entire top of power. Simply put, you openly called for the elimination of the top of the Russian state apparatus. I explained to you that such statements contradict the rules of the site, and quite pull themselves to the article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. If you don't like the rules and the Criminal Code ... you may well leave the site in particular, and Russia in general yes
                    1. Merry_Militarist
                      Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 15: 17
                      -25%
                      I will tell you a terrible secret.
                      Look, what white and fluffy communists we have, darlings and honey!
                      .
                      Information for

                      How long have we been with you, on "you", grandpa? For some reason, you did not say anything about the Left Socialist-Revolutionaries, who in large centers spoke out against the continuation of the war. Who missed lessons there?
                      In PMV, the price was also considerable
                      There was, only they were much less, the losses of the workers 'and peasants' army.
                      And nothing like that. You openly called for sending old Komsomol members to the grave.
                      Where was the call? Moreover, to physical elimination? "To send to the grave" is, for example, elementary from old age ... to bury and sing a funeral, and then turn this page of history. And then. what did you think of yourself, well, you just forgot to have a hangover in the morning or take pills.
                    2. Lannan Shi
                      Lannan Shi 2 December 2020 15: 35
                      +8
                      Quote: Merry_Militarist
                      Look, what white and fluffy communists we have, darlings and honey!

                      Against the background of the tsar, father and non-change? Fact.
                      Quote: Merry_Militarist
                      For some reason you are about the Left Social Revolutionaries

                      Because all the "antiwar" in RI, God forbid, recruited for the division. And the most effective revolutionary propagandists were pineapple, fly and others like them. yes
                      Quote: Merry_Militarist
                      There was, only they were much less, the losses of the workers 'and peasants' army.

                      Again. RI in WWI constantly had 2 / 3-3 / 4 of the AVI army and 1/4 of the GI army against itself. The only time Germany concentrated a little more than half of the troops against the Republic of Ingushetia and ... Immediately followed by the great drap of 1915. The USSR, on the other hand, had armies against itself from almost all territories of the former GI and AVI. Plus romania. Plus italy. Plus finland. Plus part of the manpower and most of the industry in France, Belgium, Holland. Plus, many divisions had to be kept against Japan. And in the red are the same Finland and Poland. Simply put. The USSR had about a third less resources than the Republic of Ingushetia, and the enemy was 2.5-3 times stronger. RI merged, the USSR won. And that the victory was expensive? Alas, we do not live in a fairy tale.
                      Quote: Merry_Militarist
                      "To send to the grave" is, for example, elementary from old age ...

                      You will tell the investigator this. In the meantime ... We were imprisoned for less. yes
                      But on the whole, you bored me. Explaining common truths to someone who is skipping lessons now, or did it before ... Not a dream of a lifetime. yes
                      Dixi.
                    3. Merry_Militarist
                      Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 15: 47
                      -22%
                      Against the background of the tsar, father and non-change? Fact.

                      Fact, this one is for some reason only for you. If Nikolashka the rag had at least a hundredth share of the rage of Stalin-Lenin, these Bolsheviks, together with their relatives, had already made a revolution underground, and so Lenin was "exiled" and Stalin, like other Bolsheviks, were "exiled" 18 hours a day (which is a pity) wrote their stories and breathed fresh air.
                      Because all the "antiwar" in Ingushetia

                      I suppose you personally thought? Tell me honestly, (as a communist before being shot) are you watching the Goblin? Yulina, maybe you are reading? Or Pykhalova?
                      The great drape of 1915 followed immediately.

                      But you are silent about the "Great drape of 1941-42"
                      Well, by the nature of the conduct of hostilities, it is somehow completely incorrect to compare PMA and WWII. Since the methods of warfare have changed, its nature, concept and means of destruction. But in terms of total losses - it is possible and necessary. ...
                      You will tell the investigator this. In the meantime ... We were imprisoned for less
                      Have you already called? This is so Soviet-style to inform!
                      Yes, yes grandpa, wear a mask.
                    4. HaByxoDaBHocep
                      HaByxoDaBHocep 2 December 2020 16: 14
                      +25
                      excuse me for getting into your argument, but you dear, apparently the truth skipped the lessons of history, in general, it was not the Bolsheviks who overthrew the bloody Nikolashka, but his bourgeois henchmen, do not forget that he abdicated the throne as a result of the February bourgeois revolution
                    5. Merry_Militarist
                      Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 16: 22
                      -14%
                      And I argued that "Nikolashka was overthrown by the Bolsheviks"? I told. about the lost war, and agitation, which directly contributed to the collapse of the army. About the February Bourgeois, I am aware, and about the Kerensky government, of course, its activity is a separate question.
                    6. HaByxoDaBHocep
                      HaByxoDaBHocep 2 December 2020 16: 35
                      +18
                      And absolutely correct agitation was, let's say now I'm not going to go and fight for the interests of the bourgeois if something happens, take the recent conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, how many ordinary guys died because of the ambitions of politicians, who will now take care of their families? Pashinyan, Aliev?
                    7. Merry_Militarist
                      Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 16: 57
                      -8
                      and absolutely correct agitation was, let's say now I'm not going to go and fight for the interests of the bourgeois

                      Who will ask you? The sacred duty and duty of every citizen ... well, or you go to prison, there is another option with desertion ... I do not undertake to condemn you, because I do not want war either, to anyone.
                      Well, Karabakh, yes ... the stupidity of some and the ambitions of others.
                    8. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 2 December 2020 20: 24
                      +7
                      Quote: Merry_Militarist
                      Who will ask you? The sacred duty and duty of every citizen ...

                      YOU!
                      To you, living for an orgy orgy,
                      having a bath and warm toilet!
                      Shame on you about submitting to George
                      read from the columns of newspapers?

                      Do you know, talentless, many,
                      thinking to get drunk better like, -
                      maybe now footbomb
                      Petrova ransomed lieutenant? ..

                      If he, brought to the slaughter,
                      suddenly saw wounded
                      how do you smear a lip in a meatball
                      lustfully sing a northerner!

                      Do you like women yes dishes
                      give life to please?
                      I'd rather be in a bar (for women of easy virtue)
                      serve pineapple water!

                      <1915> V.V. Mayakovsky.

                      The words in brackets have been replaced by a word that is not allowed by the site rules, what kind of word, you can guess. It will be approximately the same in a year, if not earlier, after the start of the war. God forbid it starts. For me personally, for some reason, there is no desire to fight for the Chubais with the Abromovichs.
                    9. sniperino
                      sniperino 3 December 2020 10: 32
                      -1
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      For me personally, for some reason, there is no desire to fight for the Chubais with the Abromovichs.
                      Do you want to hire a tavern servant? Everyone has their own vocation and their own concept of the word "man".
                    10. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 3 December 2020 10: 38
                      +1
                      Quote: sniperino
                      Do you want to hire a tavern servant? Everyone has their own vocation.

                      Do you have a problem? Or do you have problems comprehending the text you read? I understand that Mayakovsky is not a very simple author. Are you more accustomed to Shatunov and Glyzin?
                      Quote: sniperino
                      Everyone has their own vocation.

                      What is your calling?
                    11. sniperino
                      sniperino 3 December 2020 10: 45
                      -1
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Are you more accustomed to Shatunov and Glyzin?
                      Who is this?
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      What is your calling?
                      Judging by my pastime - commentator: most of all I enjoy this kind of activity. This is my way of serving my homeland in retirement.
                    12. Vladimir247
                      Vladimir247 7 December 2020 15: 24
                      0
                      It remains to understand what kind of homeland you have ... laughing
                  2. sniperino
                    sniperino 3 December 2020 11: 04
                    0
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    I understand that Mayakovsky is not a very simple author
                    Entering the "English" school through a competition at the age of 7, he recited an excerpt from his poem "Vladimir Ilyich Lenin":
                    The street is like a through wound
                    It hurts and moans like that.
                    Here every stone of Lenin knows
                    Following the stomp of the first October attacks ...
                    etc. I still remember him.
          3. kalibr
            kalibr 2 December 2020 18: 40
            -6
            Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
            now I'm not going to go and fight for the interests of the bourgeois if something happens

            But they will order and go! Nobody will ask you! The law is the law and the state and the will and power to apply it!
          4. HaByxoDaBHocep
            HaByxoDaBHocep 2 December 2020 19: 38
            +5
            Yeah shchaz, the taiga is big, there is a lot of space, I have a carbine, somehow I'll live
          5. Merry_Militarist
            Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 19: 42
            -6
            And then come out with flowers to meet the "liberators" of the American people? But not for the interests of the bourgeoisie, yes ...
          6. sniperino
            sniperino 3 December 2020 11: 20
            0
            Quote: Merry_Militarist
            And then come out with flowers to meet the "liberators" of the American people?
            Who will go where? Now it is not 41, I believe our Armed Forces have the opportunity to stop them at distant lines.
          7. Merry_Militarist
            Merry_Militarist 3 December 2020 11: 32
            -2
            Nobody will go anywhere) It was a banter, there the "communist" alone does not want to go to war for the Motherland.
          8. sniperino
            sniperino 3 December 2020 11: 40
            -1
            Quote: Merry_Militarist
            there the "communist" does not want to go to war alone for the Motherland.
            For you - the Motherland, and for them - the state, the withering away of which Marx himself predicted. The family, the state and the differences between men and women can be eliminated even today, the differences between mental and physical labor have already been eliminated, only regarding private property they are not yet ready to act decisively, that is, they are always ready to take away, but give. request .
          9. Merry_Militarist
            Merry_Militarist 3 December 2020 12: 01
            -5
            I just do not at all understand passages in the spirit: "I will not go to fight for their capital", if non-party and anti-communists reasoned in this way in 1941, our country would have awaited a sad fate.
            It's just that the communist has no concept of the Motherland, he has a "communist international", and he will drag everything from the Motherland, and not vice versa enrich it. A simple example: the Baltics were ennobled as a "showcase" of the USSR, and villages and small towns in Siberia and the middle zone (I am not talking about the Far East) without gas and hot water supply. Although the gas pipelines go west ...
          10. sniperino
            sniperino 3 December 2020 12: 05
            +1
            Quote: Merry_Militarist
            "I will not go to fight for their capital"
            This is still from the manuals of the times of WW1.
          11. Merry_Militarist
            Merry_Militarist 3 December 2020 12: 11
            -7
            Well, God bless them, their age is leaving, they are already punished by the loss of the Union and the devaluation of their communist values.
          12. sniperino
            sniperino 3 December 2020 12: 22
            +1
            Quote: Merry_Militarist
            devaluation of their communist values
            There is a value that I would leave: building a just society of free and equal people. Only the methodology of building such a society must be radically changed, starting with the "world fire". It seems that the blowers of it were blown away themselves: it is easier for them to quietly drain the whole world of the United States, by liquidating the state, and even then the proletarians they lead will take on the bourgeoisie ...
          13. Merry_Militarist
            Merry_Militarist 3 December 2020 12: 27
            0
            building a just society of free and equal people

            And I will agree 100%. By the way, speaking of social justice, it is very good to look at the experience of our North-Western neighbors in the person of Sweden, Norway and Finland. They did not promise communism to anyone there, but they did everything so that people there live fine and are satisfied with their position, and, paradoxically, these noteworthy capitalists are now much closer to socialism than the USSR.
          14. sniperino
            sniperino 3 December 2020 12: 37
            0
            Quote: Merry_Militarist
            look at the experience of our Northwestern neighbors in the person of Sweden, Norway, Finland ... these note-taking capitalists are now much closer to socialism than the USSR
            These concepts were formed in the political and economic conditions of the late 19th century, today they say little about what. There is a computer with Internet access - already a means of production, you can earn money, and hired an assistant - already a capitalist (he himself was a capitalist for some time - a "petty bourgeois").
          15. Merry_Militarist
            Merry_Militarist 3 December 2020 12: 48
            -5
            Yes, for God's sake)) If both parties to the contract are satisfied with their position.
          16. sniperino
            sniperino 3 December 2020 12: 55
            0
            And he was a "proletarian", he did not feel much of a difference, therefore he was deprived of class hatred even for Potanin and Sechin (some "communists" will now vomit).
          17. Merry_Militarist
            Merry_Militarist 3 December 2020 13: 02
            -1
            The whole question is under what conditions this proletarian: "a house, a lot of bread and butter and they don't bomb ..."
            The fact is that these "communists" are repeaters of other people's opinions and myths, moreover, the property of memory to forget the bad and idealize the past, especially if this time was in childhood and adolescence. Here, as I believe, many of the USSR were caught in the last 5-10 years, but at the same time they prove with foaming at the mouth how EVERYTHING WAS, and then they turned off the lights, even gasoline in Moscow was not found to be burned, what a chance ...
          18. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 4 December 2020 00: 57
            +7
            Quote: Merry_Militarist
            The fact is that these "communists" are repeaters of other people's opinions and myths.

            Whose opinions and myths are you a "repeater" of? Have you thought about it? We all, to a greater or lesser extent, build our perception of the world on the basis of someone's thoughts.
          19. Merry_Militarist
            Merry_Militarist 4 December 2020 03: 14
            -3
            From childhood, I was taught to think and turn on critical thinking with my own head, but the "intellectual majority" from this site, without even understanding, wildly minuses everything that does not fit into their picture of the World, which the TV has formed for them. No freedom of thought: Stalin and the communists are good without alternatives, and everything else is unambiguous evil.
            Yes, there are some basic capital values, but they are also subject to change, what was sacred yesterday, such as the "Code of the Builders of Communism" or a party card, is now gathering dust in the toilet.
  2. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 4 December 2020 00: 53
    +2
    Quote: sniperino
    These concepts were formed in the political and economic conditions of the late 19th century, today they say little about what. There is a computer with Internet access - already a means of production, you can earn

    Are you confusing the concepts of "tool" and "means of production", hammer, according to your logic, the same means of production?
    Quote: sniperino
    and hired an assistant - already a capitalist (he himself was for some time a capitalist - "petty bourgeois").

    Again you are confusing concepts. The difference between the "petty bourgeois" and the capitalist is the same as between you and Potanin, for example.
  3. sniperino
    sniperino 4 December 2020 04: 29
    -1
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    You are confusing concepts
    Teach me how to do it right. Why is my computer with the Internet not a means of production, in your opinion?
  4. sniperino
    sniperino 4 December 2020 04: 41
    -1
    PS Yes, and what am I, poor man, lacks to be called a capitalist.
  5. sniperino
    sniperino 4 December 2020 09: 56
    -1
    Since morning Marx hasn’t thought of it? Or there will be no answer: they made some noise and merged ...
  6. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 4 December 2020 10: 24
    +3
    Quote: sniperino
    Since morning Marx hasn’t thought of it? Or there will be no answer: they made some noise and merged ...

    I am not a pensioner, unfortunately, I just work at a computer and I don’t have time to explain common truths to you. Look at the definition of the word "capital", is it not difficult? Then you will understand why you cannot be called a capitalist. Look at the means of production in the context of "capital". I think you can figure it out on your own.
  7. sniperino
    sniperino 4 December 2020 10: 34
    -1
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    I think you can figure it out on your own.
    The word "think" doesn't suit you. There are enough words in your answers to briefly answer two questions, but it was beyond your power to deal with them ("common truths"). Teaching others is a good thing where you have at least some understanding.
  8. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 4 December 2020 10: 45
    +2
    Quote: sniperino
    The word "think" doesn't suit you. There are enough words in your answers to briefly answer two questions, but it was beyond your power to deal with them ("common truths"). Teaching others is a good thing where you have at least some understanding.

    Especially to you, as someone banned in Google, I promise to give you explanations on your question by 02:00.
  9. sniperino
    sniperino 4 December 2020 10: 52
    -1
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    to 02: 00
    smile I look forward to hearing from anyone familiar with Marxism.
  10. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 4 December 2020 22: 22
    +3
    Quote: sniperino
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    to 02: 00
    smile I look forward to hearing from anyone familiar with Marxism.

    Let's start with the definitions. Capital is self-increasing value, or value that, as a result of the exploitation of wage workers, brings surplus value. Expresses the social-production relations between the main classes of bourgeois society - capitalists and wage workers. The main characteristic of capital, in my opinion, should be considered self-increasing cost. Capital formation is fundamentally different from mere accumulation of money. Money turns into capital only as a result of its use for the purpose of making a profit, due to which it grows itself. The concept of self-expansion of value should be distinguished from the concept of its increase. If, for example, an artisan, processing raw materials, adds to it, thanks to the expenditure of his labor, a new value, and then, selling the finished product, helps out a larger amount of money than he spent on the purchase of raw materials, then in this case, despite the increase in value, the artisan's money do not turn into capital. Self-growth of value exists only when the owner of money manages to increase their amount, without participating in his labor in the creation of new values. Hence the conclusion - "hired an assistant - already a capitalist" is wrong. Because, firstly, you work together with an assistant. Secondly, calculate how many "assistants" you need, or rather hired workers, for "self-expansion of your capital". And yes, when you break even, your computers will become "a means of production."
    Because through their use and appropriation of the surplus value created by hired workers, you will "increase" your capital. And if you do not reach the break-even point, then your "capital" will show "negative growth", like our economy, then you will not become a capitalist. In the comments I used materials from the site: https://www.esperanto.mv.ru Everything is described in more detail there.
  11. sniperino
    sniperino 5 December 2020 10: 15
    0
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    In the comments I used materials from the site: https://www.esperanto.mv.ru Everything is described in more detail there.
    That says it all. You haven’t read Marx, but you condemn his criticism with the help of leftist methodologies, calling it the word “I think”. One does not need one's own thought at all if there is knowledge of others, especially "common truths".
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    ... The main characteristic of capital, in my opinion, should be considered self-increasing cost.
    Self-increasing cost (D-T-D ') can be created even from manure, if you have a suitable entrepreneurial idea and project: where you can get it for a penny, paying a cattleman and a driver, and to whom it can be sold for rubles. Why did you decide that you cannot get self-increasing value with the help of a computer, the Internet and one or two farm laborers? You send part of the profit to expansion (an accountant, for example, etc.), and you yourself - to the Canary Islands, sit in a sun lounger and look at your smartphone, as money drips into your account: a system administrator with an accountant on a salary is sitting. Marxism is too complicated to master it in a day, but on the esperanto site, which they began to actively promote, painting it under the communist Khokhloma, it is practically impossible. There is a special Marxism, we did not have this. Thanks for the honest attempt to answer, although the answer did not count. Better read the history of Esperanto, then you will understand where their legs grow from. But it is better to master Marx from the Manifesto of the Communist Party, then you will move on to Capital. If you want to. hi
  12. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 5 December 2020 10: 44
    +1
    Quote: sniperino
    That says it all. You haven’t read Marx, but you condemn his criticism with the help of leftist methodologies, calling it the word “I think”. One does not need one's own thought at all if there is knowledge of others, especially "common truths".

    In your case, there is only unhealthy criticism and an attempt to seem smarter than you really are.
    Quote: sniperino
    Why did you decide that you cannot get a self-increasing value using a computer, the Internet and one or two farm laborers? You send part of the profit to expansion (an accountant, for example, etc.), and you yourself - to the Canary Islands, sit in a sun lounger and look at your smartphone, as money drips into your account: a system administrator with an accountant on a salary is sitting.

    Have you read my comment at all? Or "Chukchi is not a reader, a Chukchi writer"?
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    And yes, when you break even, your computers will become "a means of production."
    Because thanks to their use and appropriation of the surplus value created by hired workers, you will "increase" your capital.

    Quote: sniperino
    Marxism is too complicated to master it in a day, but on the esperanto website, which they began to actively promote, painting it like a communist Khokhloma, is practically impossible. There is a special Marxism, we did not have this.

    This site is just one of a number of similar sites, where the basics of Marxism are described in an accessible language, in some approximation.
    Quote: sniperino
    Thanks for the honest attempt to answer, although the answer did not count. Better read the history of Esperanto, then you will understand where their legs grow from. But it is better to master Marx from the Manifesto of the Communist Party, then you will move on to Capital.

    I don't understand, you are trying to test me? Re-read your comments, you "expert on Marxism". I have already decided not to waste my time on various trolls.
  13. sniperino
    sniperino 5 December 2020 10: 52
    0
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    "Chukchi is not a reader, a Chukchi writer"?
    Chukchi passed in graduate school 1) diamat, 2) history of history + 4 exams in the history of philosophy. Less rude, life will get better
  14. Vladimir247
    Vladimir247 7 December 2020 15: 29
    0
    ... does not want ...
    ---------
    You misunderstood. The beginning of the service should take place in a firing squad ... to clear the rear of traitors ... laughing , and then to the front line.
    You yourself must understand that there can be no faith for the Chubais and their appointees. winked
  15. kalibr
    kalibr 2 December 2020 20: 57
    -3
    Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
    Yeah shchaz, the taiga is big, there is a lot of space, I have a carbine, somehow I'll live

    So many reasoned. They were called "green" ... Then they had an unenviable fate! And somehow it is not life, but vegetation.
  16. Sputnik 11
    Sputnik 11 4 December 2020 00: 29
    -1
    The door to the hunter's hut, if you build it, which way will you open it? Do not know? And the bear knows. Hungry, he picks out sleeping owners of carbines only on the way. Suffering from dysentery, caries and encephalitis without access to drugs are twice as successful;)
  17. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 2 December 2020 20: 35
    +9
    Quote: kalibr
    But they will order and go! Nobody will ask you! The law is the law and the state and the will and power to apply it!

    In 1914, the state distributed weapons to the people, the ending is known. Want to repeat? Today the people are more literate than then.
  18. perm23
    perm23 3 December 2020 08: 31
    0
    And that you have a whole family bourgeois or something. all your friends. your parents are bourgeois
  19. Vadim237
    Vadim237 2 December 2020 21: 08
    -6
    "Suppose now I am not going to go and fight for the interests of the bourgeois if something happens" - no one will call you and your brother will not be a modern war business of professionals - cannon fodder and non-professionals have nothing to do there - the war in Karabakh and other conflicts of recent years is clearly showed.
  20. Vadim237
    Vadim237 2 December 2020 21: 01
    -10%
    "But only the communists selected for the construction of the military industry, and for the feeding of the army. And in Russia, old and modern, for palaces, rags and ballerunias of facilitated behavior." And at the same time, now almost everything is enough for a modern army and palaces and food and much more - without confiscating property from citizens and a massive deficit in everything.
  • 210ox
    210ox 2 December 2020 19: 40
    +6
    Communists are no strangers ?? !! You exist in this world only thanks to the COMMUNISTS.
    1. Merry_Militarist
      Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 19: 46
      -12%
      Well ... you, perhaps, exist thanks to the communists, if your parents are Marx and Lenin, for example ...
    2. kalibr
      kalibr 2 December 2020 20: 59
      -5
      Quote: Merry_Militarist
      Well ... you, perhaps, exist thanks to the communists, if your parents are Marx and Lenin, for example ...

      Well, Lenin didn’t really differ in "this", but Marx and especially Engels were eager for the female sex, so who knows ...
    3. Merry_Militarist
      Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 21: 04
      -11%
      Well, a man claims that he exists thanks to the communists, so I assumed.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 3 December 2020 23: 40
    -5
    We exist in spite of the communists - because of which the country was allowed to go under the knife three times after 1917 in 1941 and 1991. And yes, don't be communists with their planned distribution economy - at everyone in the world and for free at our expense and the stupid arms race that in the 60s of the Central Committee The Communist Party of the Soviet Union and their generals, who were completely ousted, arranged Russia would now live no worse than Sweden and Germany without the bloody national tragedies of the past and the devastation of the 90s.
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  • sniperino
    sniperino 2 December 2020 21: 35
    +1
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    The Ministry of Defense is ruled by the regional committee son
    The son is not responsible for his father. Serdyukov was the son of a lumberjack and a milkmaid. Did it help?
    1. Vladimir247
      Vladimir247 7 December 2020 15: 36
      0
      The son of a lumberjack ...
      -------
      Yes ... not sickly social elevators in the USSR worked ... not from the students of the lumberjack, he jumped into such positions ... laughing laughing
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 7 December 2020 15: 40
        0
        Quote: Vladimir247
        social elevators in the ussr worked
        You can't argue with that, but we must admit that they worked worse and worse for the second half of the USSR's existence.
      2. Vladimir247
        Vladimir247 7 December 2020 15: 46
        0
        But now there is no way at all. No money - count the cripple. laughing
      3. sniperino
        sniperino 7 December 2020 16: 00
        0
        Quote: Vladimir247
        But now there is no way at all
        Going down, up - contests have been launched, but I know little about their effectiveness.
  • Hantengri
    Hantengri 2 December 2020 23: 09
    +6
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    and without which the very battleships that the crystal bakers are so proud of

    Against the background of the fact that the Germans had, in WWI, 19 battleships, and the British, even whole 35 ... advanced for their time.). And if we also count the battle cruisers (which we did not have) ... ((((
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 3 December 2020 10: 35
      +3
      Quote: HanTengri
      Quote: Lannan Shi
      and without which the very battleships that the crystal bakers are so proud of

      Against the background of the fact that the Germans had, in WWI, 19 battleships, and the British, even whole 35 ... advanced for their time.). And if we also count the battle cruisers (which we did not have) ... ((((

      No country in the world, except the United States now, will not pull or pull the simultaneous maintenance of the army and the navy. England had a very modest land army. Russia, due to its borders, territory and different theaters of military operations, spent the lion's share of the budget on land forces. Therefore It is incorrect to be proud or not to be proud of the dreadnoughts, especially since they did not help Germany very much.
    2. Vladimir247
      Vladimir247 7 December 2020 15: 39
      +1
      ... 7 dreadnoughts ...
      --------
      And today the poets are bursting with 7 pieces of sous 57 ... laughing
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 3 December 2020 08: 40
    -2
    I understand that you hit your head on the corner, but the USSR on the collective farms perfectly crumpled in the Second World War, although the Republic of Ingushetia suffered from severe hunger with hundreds of thousands of corpses every few years. It's just that Stalin's collective farms and Khrushchev's are fundamentally different things. As well as Stalin's and Khrushchev's policies in general.

    Miserably blew through Poland in 1920, leaving 60 thousand prisoners to starve to death


    I have no particular questions why 25-year-old commander Tukhachevsky blew the company. I have a question for you, why don't you accuse the Poles of genocide, although it was they who, having captured prisoners, were obliged to contain them? And also to the gray-haired warriors of the Russian Empire, who, unlike the Tukhachevsky academies, were trained, but the WWI was blown off with a bang, although the eastern front in WWI was never the main one. If the 41st happened to Germany one on one, so, most likely, the Russian soldiers would have held out for 2-3 months until the mob was exhausted. stock, and then they ran, screeching forward, to the Urals.

    And then, with huge losses, it merged Finland


    I'll tell you a secret, in war they do not count losses, in war they count the result, but according to the results of the Finnish war, Finland was otmudohan and was forced to give what the USSR offered to exchange, without any compensation. By the way, this result in itself means that the Finnish losses are most likely greatly underestimated, otherwise it is not clear why they surrendered at all.

    Well, in the initial period of the war, the ratio of forces there was about 1: 1, of course, in the hard-to-reach terrain, the Soviet troops could not make much progress. And the attempts to bypass just led to great losses. After that, they simply pulled up more forces, and most importantly, howitzers, and a natural kirdyk came to the Finns.

    Where do you come from ...
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 3 December 2020 10: 40
      -1
      Quote: EvilLion
      I understand that you hit your head on the corner, but the USSR on the collective farms perfectly crumpled in the Second World War, although the Republic of Ingushetia suffered from severe hunger with hundreds of thousands of corpses every few years. It's just that Stalin's collective farms and Khrushchev's are fundamentally different things. As well as Stalin's and Khrushchev's policies in general.

      Miserably blew through Poland in 1920, leaving 60 thousand prisoners to starve to death


      I have no particular questions why 25-year-old commander Tukhachevsky blew the company. I have a question for you, why don't you accuse the Poles of genocide, although it was they who, having captured prisoners, were obliged to contain them? And also to the gray-haired warriors of the Russian Empire, who, unlike the Tukhachevsky academies, were trained, but the WWI was blown off with a bang, although the eastern front in WWI was never the main one. If the 41st happened to Germany one on one, so, most likely, the Russian soldiers would have held out for 2-3 months until the mob was exhausted. stock, and then they ran, screeching forward, to the Urals.

      And then, with huge losses, it merged Finland


      I'll tell you a secret, in war they do not count losses, in war they count the result, but according to the results of the Finnish war, Finland was otmudohan and was forced to give what the USSR offered to exchange, without any compensation. By the way, this result in itself means that the Finnish losses are most likely greatly underestimated, otherwise it is not clear why they surrendered at all.

      Well, in the initial period of the war, the ratio of forces there was about 1: 1, of course, in the hard-to-reach terrain, the Soviet troops could not make much progress. And the attempts to bypass just led to great losses. After that, they simply pulled up more forces, and most importantly, howitzers, and a natural kirdyk came to the Finns.

      Where do you come from ...

      Well, PMV was not blown by the generals, but by the propaganda of the Bolsheviks. Another year would have suffered and together with the Entente they would have milked Germany and Turkey in full
    2. Merry_Militarist
      Merry_Militarist 3 December 2020 14: 17
      -10%
      Who are you, on "you" with me? Or did you and I drank at brotherhood?
      Now, look at the mortality in the rear during the Second World War, "he fed well," and then the mortality in the first 5 post-war years from hunger. Collective farms fed so "awesome" that the Lend-lease food scattered instantly, why didn't they refuse it in that case?
      Take a look. what is the concept of "genocide" to begin with. Yes, but your beloved Stalin arranged genocide against the Germans, Chechens and Ingush, see the norm of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, I quote: "forcible resettlement or other creation of living conditions calculated for the physical destruction of members of this group" - do not you recognize Operation Lentil?
      Secondly, I do not condemn the Poles, because they were attacked by "carriers of the red plague", whom no one called there, prisoners of war Axis soldiers also died in the camps ... it happens. USSR signed a convention on prisoners of war? Oh ... wait, but the USSR was formed only in the 22nd ... and in the 20th it was fucking understand that))
      And if it happened ... and it did not happen, do not fantasize.
      I'll tell you a secret, in war they don't count losses, in war they count the result, but according to the results of the Finnish war

      Well, become this consumable yourself, in the name of the result, what is not then?
      Finland otmudohan, and tens of thousands of killed / frostbitten wounded in the "sovok". With the enormous material and military superiority of the USSR.
      Give more red fairy tales!
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 3 December 2020 10: 26
    0
    Quote: Merry_Militarist
    the country was completely independent from foreign supplies.
    And wheat and meat, in exchange for
    Japan plums crackling first
    , (country names are written with a capital letter).
    Pfft ... is it the Soviet army! Let's start at the beginning, how the Red Guard fled from the Germans in the winter of 1918. (until the Brest Peace was turned on) With a bang, it blew through Poland in 1920, leaving 60 thousand prisoners to starve to death. And then, with huge losses, it merged Finland. And finally, she cowardly fled Afghanistan. What can you say, invincible and legendary ...
    By the way, it was the USSR who "sat down on the oil needle," yep, when Samotlor was found.
    And modern Russia will be like that until the old Komsomol members are thrown into the grave.

    Everyone who came there fled from Afghanistan. Yes, and what to do if their regime was not supported by the population? The situation is similar now in Syria. By the way, all capitalist countries lost their colonies in one way or another. And the United States did not enter and leave anywhere.
    1. Merry_Militarist
      Merry_Militarist 3 December 2020 10: 51
      -3
      And then why did they get there with their "international assistance?" (this is not a reproach to the soldiers who have fulfilled their duty to the end), but to Comrade. Brezhnev and his "half-liter bureau".
      Is it okay that these "caps of the country" themselves gave free rein to the colonies? Only, the colonies asked for something back to the white masters.
      And what about the USA? I live in Russia, what is your fashion to appeal to the United States? Are you a US citizen, do you have a dad in the US?
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 3 December 2020 12: 43
        +2
        Quote: Merry_Militarist
        And then why did they get there with their "international assistance?" (this is not a reproach to the soldiers who have fulfilled their duty to the end), but to Comrade. Brezhnev and his "half-liter bureau".
        Is it okay that these "caps of the country" themselves gave free rein to the colonies? Only, the colonies asked for something back to the white masters.
        And what about the USA? I live in Russia, what is your fashion to appeal to the United States? Are you a US citizen, do you have a dad in the US?

        You said that the USSR left Afghanistan shamefully. The USA left Vietnam, Iraq, the same Afghan. I don’t understand why the USSR is leaving shamefully and the USA because they wanted. The USSR left because there was no point in building socialism. Further, not all colonies were liberated. because their owners generously wanted to give them freedom. no one of their own free will will not give up the pie. The same Indonesia and Algeria, Indochina achieved independence by armed means. Well, about international assistance, ask the same Putin. You cannot ask Brezhnev
        1. Merry_Militarist
          Merry_Militarist 3 December 2020 12: 56
          -5
          Yes, he left shamefully, not having achieved either military or political goals in this state. Having suffered great economic, political and, more importantly, human losses.
          Mikhail, if I were a US citizen, I would also ask these questions “at home,” first of all, what are we doing there? Secondly, why did they dump their tail between their legs without finishing off all the enemies, if they had already climbed?
          Yes, not all, I agree, but not a small part of them became free peacefully.
          They climbed into Syria for many purposes: to keep Assad in prison, for example, to crumble the bearded ones. I will definitely ask, if possible personally))
    2. saygon66
      saygon66 3 December 2020 18: 34
      0
      - Is the situation similar in Syria? Syria has been a colony of France for many years ... and not the worst
      - Back in the 90s, French was in use there, and children from richer families were sent to study in France ...
      - There, even during the conquest of the country by the French, there was no such resistance as in Afghanistan ...
      - The Syrians got along well with all the "masters" from the Macedonians to the Arabs to the Mongols - such a people ...
    3. vavilon
      vavilon 4 December 2020 09: 38
      +2
      I dare disagree with you dear
      The colonies have not gone anywhere, and they exist now, without these colonies the west would not have been the west in them just the method of government changed, that's the whole difference
  • sniperino
    sniperino 2 December 2020 17: 03
    -8
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    In general, the Soviet period is the only one in the history of Russia, when the country confidently took the second place in the world in terms of economy, and quite fought for the first.
    If we count on the value of the gross product, and not on the value in use. And it would be normal, to slightly forget the consumers, if it were not for the image of communism, like a carrot in front of the nose in the form of the principle "to each according to his needs", and the widespread violation of the socialist principle "to each according to his work." We have raised consumers who have merged this system as ineffective from their point of view.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 2 December 2020 20: 55
    -8
    "Actually, the Soviet period is the only one in the history of Russia, when the country confidently took the second place in the world in terms of economy." If any rubbish is produced in large volumes according to the plan, then any economy in the world will be the first to be the first - only it will quickly go bankrupt, since no one will buy this rubbish USSR 120 world rogues provided for loyalty and coconut barter from 160 countries with whom they traded only 40 paid in money, and then mostly for raw materials. Unsurprisingly, such an economy with a curved distribution system is covered with a copper basin.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 3 December 2020 10: 44
      0
      Quote: Vadim237
      "Actually, the Soviet period is the only one in the history of Russia, when the country confidently took the second place in the world in terms of economy." If any rubbish is produced in large volumes according to the plan, then any economy in the world will be the first to be the first - only it will quickly go bankrupt, since no one will buy this rubbish USSR 120 world rogues provided for loyalty and coconut barter from 160 countries with whom they traded only 40 paid in money, and then mostly for raw materials. Unsurprisingly, such an economy with a curved distribution system is covered with a copper basin.

      Ask but Zhiguli 2101 is far from rubbish at that time, TVs were also quite at the world level. Increase production and sell to the population and for export
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 3 December 2020 23: 53
        -1
        Compared to the fact that in the west it was rubbish, physically design and morally obsolete. So purely for themselves, since the population did not have a choice, they bought it like everything else, but the problems with spare parts and tools in the USSR were not resolved with them there was a total shortage.
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 4 December 2020 10: 18
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          Compared to the fact that in the west it was rubbish, physically design and morally obsolete. So purely for themselves, since the population did not have a choice, they bought it like everything else, but the problems with spare parts and tools in the USSR were not resolved with them there was a total shortage.

          Well, if you call Fiat rubbish, on the basis of which the penny was created, and which was the best car in Europe, then of course. Or maybe the design of American cars of the 70s warms your soul?
        2. vavilon
          vavilon 4 December 2020 10: 41
          0
          Tell me, dear, what kind of trash are we talking about? If we talk about light industry during the union !? yes there were questions about the quality of tailoring, but not about the material from which it was made
          As for technical progress, then you are wrong here, for example, the VAZ 2108 car
          rolled off the assembly line in 1981, it had overwhelming success not only in the union but also abroad, and in Europe there was a plant for the assembly of these cars, and now you can still find it in the same Europe and by the way it was the first car in the world where it was installed entirely and an all-plastic bumper that has been used successfully to this day
          So it is unnecessary to row everything with the same brush, but you need to call a spade a spade
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  • krops777
    krops777 3 December 2020 03: 22
    +1
    In general, the Soviet period is the only one in the history of Russia, when the country confidently took the second place in the world in terms of economy, and quite fought for the first.


    Actually, in the Soviet period, there was only one period, under Stalin, when the economy developed and achieved unprecedented successes and everything else stagnated and decayed otherwise the USSR would not have collapsed.
  • Sergey Nemov
    Sergey Nemov 2 December 2020 21: 39
    +15
    Quote: Merry_Militarist
    Not only this, she also shot, destroyed and sold cultural values, starved

    Why are you alive? wink Did you manage to escape? tongue
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 3 December 2020 08: 07
    -2
    While Samsonov writes one nonsense, you write another, exactly the same.
  • perm23
    perm23 3 December 2020 08: 38
    +1
    Sorry, but this is complete nonsense. We didn’t fit anywhere, but lived like everyone else. .It is impossible to live in peace locked in your home. ... and valuables were not sold or starved. hunger was in many countries
  • for
    for 3 December 2020 11: 37
    0
    Quote: Merry_Militarist
    showed her complete incapacity

    Why, they destroyed the USSR. And it’s not the ability to manage, but purposefully what the preparation is about (Gorbachev).
  • vavilon
    vavilon 3 December 2020 13: 51
    0
    Throughout history, mankind has not known a more brutal revolution than in France, where they cut off everyone's heads indiscriminately (children, women, old people) and also drove a crowd of people onto a barge and then drowned them in the sea,
    Or remember the conquest of the same America by the Anglo-Saxons, this is the roots of today's so-called developed civilization
    And what happened in Russia is flowers in comparison with those who are given to us today as an example
  • perm23
    perm23 3 December 2020 08: 30
    0
    No, of course, but even there, hiding behind beautiful and correct words, there were a lot of all sorts of thieves. One of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR
  • your1970
    your1970 3 December 2020 12: 28
    -2
    Quote: Svarog
    Do you want to say that since 1917, the Soviet government has only been engaged in theft and sabotage?

    Judging by the reports at the party meetings, only this ...
    First, the entire Leninist Guard - "enemies of the people and saboteurs", then Stalin of the "Unveiled" type, then Khrushchev - a saboteur and a voluntarist ...

    And note, this is all the Soviet government dumped on itself ...
    And carefully documented the "sabotage" of each of them ....
  • victor50
    victor50 2 December 2020 10: 48
    +34
    Quote: perm23
    Only one question, and who instead of them to put in power. WHO .. Who is sitting in a chair tomorrow will not steal or harm. as all this was already in our history from 1917 to the collapse of the USSR.

    And what - Lenin, Stalin, and even Khrushchev - stole? Or have you never met decent people in your life?
    1. Civil
      Civil 2 December 2020 11: 23
      +1
      1. Enough to make you laugh) are these rabbits-benchmarks going to riot? Granddaughters and children of gum, jeans and sausage lovers? lol
      2. Or the elderly youth of the 80s with the song "change - we are waiting for change"? laughing
      3. Or grandfathers - former Komsomol members? laughing lol

      A slave is more likely genetics, not even a cowardly obedient upbringing))) all violent ones were zeroed out in tsarist times)
      1. awdrgy
        awdrgy 2 December 2020 11: 52
        +7
        So, everything is calm in Baghdad. We certainly won't. Why? It is very dangerous
        1. qQQQ
          qQQQ 2 December 2020 15: 11
          -2
          Quote: awdrgy
          We certainly won't. Why?

          It’s not a matter of danger, but expediency. Name at least one coup over the past 200 years in Russia and the countries of the USSR, which would have led to an increase in the well-being of the population. Maybe people just "gorged" on change and finally realized that it does not lead to anything good?
          1. victor50
            victor50 2 December 2020 16: 51
            +8
            Quote: qqqq
            Name at least one coup over the past 200 years in Russia and the countries of the USSR, which would have led to an increase in the well-being of the population.

            But 30 years of tranquility somehow do not please with the growth of prosperity and other things that one could be proud of. The history of coups turns out to be very popular. laughing
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 2 December 2020 17: 40
              -12%
              Quote: victor50
              30 years of tranquility somehow do not please with the growth of prosperity and other things that one could be proud of
              Those who are proud of their well-being, the USSR would definitely not suit if he was not born in the family of a regional committee secretary, butcher or brewer.
            2. qQQQ
              qQQQ 3 December 2020 08: 44
              -2
              Quote: victor50
              The history of coups turns out to be very popular.

              Only in terms of determining the degree of idiocy.
          2. awdrgy
            awdrgy 2 December 2020 18: 05
            +6
            This is a very correct question. But we are not talking about welfare, but about survival (given a very "cheerful" demographic trend) And after all, it is not about changing the social model, but about changing the national consciousness (at first, yes, nothing can be done forcibly) You understand what kind of change the system did not happen, but the woman will not give birth to three or more if nothing changes in her head.That would change, for example, a woman needs to abandon all sorts of business-earnings to become dependent on a man, etc. (from here a lot of changes follow - put out the light) And the philosophical base for such a change in worldview has not been invented a new and working one And it means that the old and the working one will be used, otherwise we will die out simply cease to exist This old and working philosophical system, it presupposes a change in the political system and there is nowhere to go And how will this happen, a coup or a riot and what the price for this will be, sorry, maybe and you can roughly calculate, but you need a whole team of analysts, or real prophet
      2. Essex62
        Essex62 2 December 2020 11: 52
        +5
        Well, not all, I think. Don't think so badly about your People. Only not violent, but active and honest people.
        Although that good is enough.
      3. saygon66
        saygon66 3 December 2020 18: 44
        0
        - Not new! smile Which of the pre-revolutionary classics do not take - everyone also counted! "Country of slaves, country of masters ..." (C), etc. ...
        - These are revolutions that pursue any goals, and a riot is for that ... smile And those who wish will ...
        - Only the author, predicting a rebellion, also warns against him - they say the rebellion will be the beginning of the collapse of today's Russia ... If you go to the left, you will be killed, if you go to the right, you will lose your horse ... You will not go anywhere - you will rake right here! wink
    2. flicker
      flicker 2 December 2020 11: 45
      +9
      Did Lenin, Stalin, and even Khrushchev steal?
      Khrushchev did more harm to the country than all the thieves in the Union put together - he perverted the idea.
      ---
      "Lenin, Stalin" - the only problem is that they are NOT!
      ---
      decent people

      You can certainly find it, but Lenin and Stalin had a Bolshevik party, ready to embody the ideas of Lenin and Stalin in life.
      "Decent people" do not represent an ideological monolith, and therefore can move in opposite directions.
    3. Merry_Militarist
      Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 12: 56
      -31%
      Among the communists - only decent bastards have met. Lenin - a traitor to the Motherland and a German spy, Khrushchev - was heavily smeared in the repressions and is not drawn to the "heavenly angel"
    4. sniperino
      sniperino 2 December 2020 15: 57
      -1
      Quote: victor50
      And what - Lenin, Stalin, and even Khrushchev - stole? Or have you never met decent people in your life?
      They are not. Yes, and Brezhnev did not need, but the Soviet trade under him was already entirely built on theft: shortage, mis-grading and shortage; law enforcement officers and courts were also mired in corruption, but most of all the country was driven to collapse by party bodies - "our steering" and the Komsomol - their "back".
  • awdrgy
    awdrgy 2 December 2020 11: 50
    +2
    The one who will own everything. Why should he steal and harm if and so all of him?
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 2 December 2020 12: 21
    +15
    Quote: perm23
    Whoever sat in a chair tomorrow will not steal or harm. as all this was already in our history from 1917 to the collapse of the USSR.

    From 1917 to 1953, they did not steal very much. And if they did steal, then a little and not for long ...

    And the question "who?" already tired of the order. It was invented by those in power.
    Is there really no thinking patriotic politicians left in a country with a population of 140 million ...?
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 2 December 2020 18: 44
      -6
      Quote: Doccor18
      From 1917 to 1953, they did not steal very much. And if they did steal, then a little and not for long ...

      What archives of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union did you work in to prove this?
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 2 December 2020 19: 26
        +11
        Twice the country was raised from ruins and practically rebuilt anew (after the Civil War and the Great Patriotic War), tens of thousands of industrial enterprises were built, the most combat-ready army in the world was created from the ashes, the whole nation was trained, etc.
        Could you steal a lot at this time?
        It is not written in the archives of the CPSU how my great-grandmother, having seven children, worked on a collective farm and handed over everything, down to the last potato tuber. But she didn't steal. And then together people collected what they could, quinoa, plantain, made cakes from them ...
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 December 2020 23: 57
      +1
      Everyone who goes into politics first of all is aimed at ensuring their well-being - in all countries this is the case.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 4 December 2020 08: 57
        0
        This is the paradigm of capitalism. But China is coping with this problem successfully.
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 2 December 2020 13: 17
    +11
    Whoever sat in a chair tomorrow will not steal or harm. how all this was already in our history from 1917 to the collapse of the USSR ..


    To put it mildly, this is a strange example.
    I would just like to see in the chair someone who will "steal" the way it was under the USSR ..
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 December 2020 00: 00
      +2
      And you would not have learned anything about theft in the USSR, since the field of economics and politics was closed by a dense curtain of information fog that was kept by censorship in all media.
  • Imobile
    Imobile 2 December 2020 15: 47
    +5
    There are some, but they are removed quickly, then drugs will be planted, then a "newbie", then on a broadcast for a herd of rams, they will say that an agent of the State Department, and then the rams will pick up and carry. Yesterday I looked about Furgala, I didn't know before, and I understood why he was imprisoned. And it turns out that Khabarovsk marries him for a reason. There will be no single picket for Putin and Co.
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 3 December 2020 19: 00
      0
      - And then what is the motivation to go to power? Happiness for everyone ?! I do not believe...
      - Going to power for the sake of something like that or for the sake of the steering wheel is a pathology ...
      - In the days of the USSR, they stole less because there were fewer opportunities to sell stolen goods ... No offshore companies and the Kaiman Islands and other things for you ... All that remained was to languish over the stolen gold. Abolish now the notorious conversion of the ruble and put international trade under state control - there will be much less reasons and opportunities for tyrit ... Probably.
      - The trouble is also that our managers feel more like steals and not masters ... The owner cannot transfer money from his pocket to his neighbor's pocket - like, for storage ... Perversion is ... laughing
      1. Vladimir247
        Vladimir247 7 December 2020 15: 50
        0
        No offshore ...
        --------
        Exactly! One of the slogans of the liberda was the abolition of the wooden one. At that, the union was destroyed.
        1. saygon66
          saygon66 7 December 2020 18: 17
          0
          - Fitted into the world economy ... am The convertible ruble is one of the slogans of Perestroika.
  • Alf
    Alf 2 December 2020 18: 30
    +8
    Quote: perm23
    Whoever sat in a chair tomorrow will not steal or harm. as all this was already in our history from 1917 to the collapse of the USSR.

    1. Alf
      Alf 2 December 2020 20: 46
      +6
      Quote: Alf
      Quote: perm23
      Whoever sat in a chair tomorrow will not steal or harm. as all this was already in our history from 1917 to the collapse of the USSR.


      Eh, how does it hurt some here at the sight of the IVS ...
    2. Sergey Nemov
      Sergey Nemov 2 December 2020 21: 52
      +16
      Quote: Alf
      Quote: perm23
      Whoever sat in a chair tomorrow will not steal or harm. as all this was already in our history from 1917 to the collapse of the USSR.


      You hurt them laughing
      1. Alf
        Alf 2 December 2020 22: 00
        +4
        Quote: Sergey Nemov
        You hurt them

        Yes, just some apologists of capitalism cannot understand in any way that THAT is also possible and practice has proved it.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 2 December 2020 22: 37
          +2
          Quote: Alf
          Quote: Sergey Nemov
          You hurt them

          Yes, just some apologists of capitalism cannot understand in any way that THAT is also possible and practice has proved it.

          They are afraid .. precisely because they know that this is possible, that it is better this way .. but not for them ..
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 2 December 2020 10: 49
    +6
    And when I remembered about a month and a half ago "God forbid us to see the Russian revolt ...", then, at first, the minuses were thrown over to me, and then, generally, the comment was deleted.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 2 December 2020 11: 18
      +4
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      And when I remembered about a month and a half ago "God forbid us to see the Russian revolt ...", then, at first, the minuses were thrown over to me, and then, generally, the comment was deleted.

      Comrade! Manuscripts don't burn good drinks
  • Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 2 December 2020 11: 20
    +6
    Quote: Svarog
    The darkness deepens.

    Comrade, the darkness began to thicken in 2000, and now enlightenment is taking shape.
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 2 December 2020 18: 36
      -6
      Quote: Stroporez
      Comrade, the darkness began to thicken in 2000, and now enlightenment is taking shape.
      Climbed into the "light" 90s, and then you were broken off? Maybe not in vain, then more often they got rich on other people's tears.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 2 December 2020 19: 26
        +3
        Quote: sniperino
        Climbed into the "light" 90s, and then you were broken off? Maybe not in vain, then more often they got rich on other people's tears.

        Do you love Eltsin? So I hate him very much, but I hate Putin 100 times more and I am deeply convinced that his rule is the blackest period in Russian history.
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 2 December 2020 19: 27
          -5
          Quote: Stroporez
          Do you love Eltsin?
          Not me, but you, for me the 90s are darkness, crime and war, but for you only in the 2000s "darkness began to thicken": the war was over, the oligarchs fled, if not to call rich people who do not determine politics "oligarchs" states, bandos do not shoot in the streets, heroin is not sold in the schoolyard.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 2 December 2020 19: 41
            0
            Quote: sniperino
            Not me, but you, for me the 90s are darkness, crime and war, but for you only in the 2000s "darkness began to thicken": the war ended, the oligarchs fled

            Well, yes, well, yes ..... naive babble. If there is a devil on earth with horns and hooves, then whom should he appoint as his successor, so that the very receiver would give him guarantees and preserve and increase his villainous riches ?!
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 2 December 2020 19: 49
              -4
              Quote: Stroporez
              If there is a devil on earth with horns and hooves, then whom should he appoint as his successor, so that the very receiver would give him guarantees and preserve and increase his villainous riches ?!
              The evil one does not need wealth, but as the father of lies, he would leave liars, I suppose. Are you acting as Gleb Zhiglov?
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 2 December 2020 20: 09
                -1
                Quote: sniperino
                The evil one does not need wealth, but as the father of lies, he would leave liars, I suppose. Are you acting as Gleb Zhiglov?

                Hallelujah!
                Let me remind you that Vysotsky acted in the image of Zheglov, not my modest person. hi
    2. Sergey Nemov
      Sergey Nemov 2 December 2020 21: 54
      +15
      Quote: Stroporez
      now enlightenment is outlined

      Not noticeable. The darkness grows thicker.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 4 December 2020 00: 04
        0
        Someone is in the head only.
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 13 December 2020 01: 12
        +2
        But beyond the darkness, dawn always comes. wink
  • credo
    credo 2 December 2020 11: 46
    +2
    Quote: Svarog
    There is no other way to save the state and the people.

    I agree with the author. Without a paradigm change, and with it the entire "elite" nothing will come of it. It is necessary to return to the Soviet ideology, corrected for mistakes and taking into account modern realities.
    Otherwise, terrible times await us .. The darkness thickens.

    I bet that many will object to you about the return to Soviet ideology, since even in its best years it did not give an answer to how to achieve communism not only in one country but in the whole world.
    Even the USSR, with its then economy and power, could not live on its own, so it needed like-minded people in achieving the goal, which was done in the form of the CMEA and the world socialist camp, but as it turned out later, many "like-minded people" turned out to be ordinary opportunists with their own vision social justice and the achievement of a bright future for themselves, but at the expense of others, such as the USSR.
    So, a simple statement of facts given by the Author does not answer the main question, namely - Where should Russia move after achieving social justice and with whom, if around us there are only poor countries with inadequate and corrupt leaders who live exclusively on alms, lies, smuggling and theft.
    1. Terrible GMO
      Terrible GMO 2 December 2020 12: 09
      -6
      Quote: credo
      but as it turned out later, many "like-minded people" turned out to be ordinary opportunists with their own vision of social justice and the achievement of a bright future for themselves

      This happens when you plant your vision of the world with tanks. Land returners note
      1. credo
        credo 2 December 2020 12: 25
        0
        Quote: TerribleGMO
        Quote: credo
        but as it turned out later, many "like-minded people" turned out to be ordinary opportunists with their own vision of social justice and the achievement of a bright future for themselves

        This happens when you plant your vision of the world with tanks. Land returners note

        More specifically, about the planting of tanks, with examples from the socialist and capitalist camp.
  • astepanov
    astepanov 2 December 2020 12: 36
    -1
    And in our city we have the first bells of the coming socialism: I went into a store and there is no toilet paper on the shelves. Hurray, comrades!
    1. Merry_Militarist
      Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 13: 01
      -6
      And in our city we have the first bells of the coming socialism: I went into a store and there is no toilet paper on the shelves. Hurray, comrades!

      Come on, but not as in the decaying West!
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 2 December 2020 14: 53
      +7
      Quote: astepanov
      And in our city we have the first bells of the coming socialism: I went into a store and there is no toilet paper on the shelves. Hurray, comrades!

      Under capitalism, it will certainly appear .. but it has become much more expensive .. There is no money, but the goods are heaped up .. this is such a mockery ..
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 4 December 2020 00: 07
        0
        You can earn money - but if no one produces the goods or there is nowhere to take raw materials for it, as well as for everything else, this is already a stalemate.
    3. sniperino
      sniperino 2 December 2020 18: 45
      -3
      Quote: astepanov
      And in our city we have the first bells of the coming socialism: I went into a store and there is no toilet paper on the shelves. Hurray, comrades!
      Look at the kiosk, maybe they sell the Pravda newspaper. A good thing, tested by millions of users.
      1. Vladimir247
        Vladimir247 7 December 2020 16: 00
        0
        Yes ... your poor asses ... how they suffered in the USSR ... I sincerely sympathize with you ... wassat wassat
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 7 December 2020 16: 09
          0
          Quote: Vladimir247
          Yes ... your poor asses ... how they suffered in the USSR ... I sincerely sympathize with you ... wassat wassat
          Feel for yourself. In Europe, your asses will not suffer from Truth, but from migrants who are accustomed to asses.
          1. Vladimir247
            Vladimir247 7 December 2020 17: 14
            0
            And your ? The truth was not sweet to you ...laughing laughing
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 7 December 2020 17: 17
              0
              Quote: Vladimir247
              And your ?
              Would finish, otherwise some kind of fixation is drawn.
  • Hagen
    Hagen 2 December 2020 12: 46
    -1
    Quote: Svarog
    Without a paradigm change, and with it the entire "elite" nothing will come of it.

    The paradigm can only change with its carriers. Whom do you propose to replace? All who have more or less shown their ability to achieve a positive result will be with economic views similar to modern ones. 80% of the country's population have tangible material and financial resources that they are not inclined to risk.
    Quote: Svarog
    It is necessary to return to the Soviet ideology, corrected for mistakes and taking into account modern realities.

    If we take into account all the mistakes of the Soviet government and the practice of building the country, this will be a completely different "Soviet ideology". Which one? Nobody, including you, knows. From all this follows: 1. A large mass of people will not go out into the streets for a power shift; 2. There is no organizational core for a new charismatic political force capable of uniting the people and leading them to, frankly, a real battle for a new ideology; 3. The very ideology, as a harmonious system, does not exist; 4. People in the overwhelming majority of territories, even with a certain set of claims to power, still live in a calm economic, political and criminal environment. Those "lower classes" do not exist, they cannot live in the old way ... 5. The country's leadership owns "control levers". Don't believe me? Collect a picket at your mayor's office with the requirements to change at least the mayor / mayor of the city, and you will feel that you will not even be allowed to touch these levers.
    Conclusion: you can write as many articles as you like about "everything disappeared," democracy is all the same. And life will go on as it goes. Objective conditions have not yet arrived for the transition to the Soviet type of state administration.
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 2 December 2020 13: 23
      +7
      80% of the country's population has tangible material and financial resources, which they are not inclined to risk.


      1% of the population possesses 90% of all material and financial resources .. So they are not inclined to take risks!
      And when you have 15 years of mortgage, but 35 thousand salary ... (and 15 thousand pension on the horizon) - it's funny to talk about risks ...
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 2 December 2020 13: 52
        -3
        Quote: Roman070280
        And when you have 15 years of mortgage, but 35 thousand salary ... (and 15 thousand pension on the horizon) - it's funny to talk about risks ...

        There are about 6% of such "mortgage holders" in Russia. A figure that deserves attention in this context, but no more. Those of them who paid half of the loan, I think, are at least interested in maintaining the current political state, because stable work and revolutions / unrest are incompatible things. The mortgage is not just taken. So there is a family, children, household. This stabilizes against sudden flutters. The most high-risk category of the population is students, who have no stake, no yard, no obligations, no brains. The experience of color revolutions confirms this. I won't talk about pensions, here everyone is his own director, but there should be a unifying thought - with any sharp change in the state system, the economy collapses. And the new government, with the first movement of economy, renounces the obligations of the old government. You won't even see a pension of 15. And if you are still 000, then you may well add ten more to those 40 (if, of course, you want).
        Quote: Roman070280
        1% of the population has 90% of all material and financial resources.

        Unpleasant? Yes ... After the forceful transfer of power, another, new "1%" will come and take from the old what it can take. Do you think he will share with you? I doubt. In the 17th the workers were raised by what the factories had promised them. Dali? And the land to the peasants? Why do you think they will treat you differently? "Every revolution is conceived by romantics, carried out by fanatics, and inveterate scoundrels are using its fruits." It has been like this for many thousands of years. Nothing has changed today.
        1. Roman070280
          Roman070280 2 December 2020 14: 18
          0
          Unpleasant? Yes ... After the forceful transfer of power, another, new "1%" will come


          Who will come and who will take it is the tenth thing ...
          With these words, I answered, allegedly "80% of the country's population has quite tangible material"
          In fact, 80% of the population has miserable remnants.

          who paid half of the loan, I think, at least, are interested in maintaining the current political state


          Well, yes .. someone and a bottle of vodka on the table - stability ..))
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 2 December 2020 14: 48
            -1
            Quote: Roman070280
            In fact, 80% of the population has miserable remnants.

            Speaking of "pitiful remnants" do you mean what a citizen personally does not mind losing? Speaking about 80% of those who have material resources, I primarily meant those things that are important for the life of an individual and his family. That is, something that a person will not risk in vain. Personally, you understand that during a period of complete change of the state government system, the property protection system, there will inevitably be a piece of time when there will be no one in the country to protect property (any) in principle. Some self-defense units may spontaneously arise, but in general, the right of the strong will prevail over the territory. And it may so happen that someone will like your property and there will be no one to protect you. After all, in a coup, the first to fall is the law enforcement regime.
            Quote: Roman070280
            Who will come and who will take it is the tenth thing ...

            It's strange. After all, this is the main goal for which coups and revolutions are arranged. request
            Quote: Roman070280
            Well, yes .. someone and a bottle of vodka on the table - stability ..))

            Stability is when there is a place where this very table of yours is. And now it really doesn't matter - vodka on it or dumplings in sour cream.
          2. qQQQ
            qQQQ 2 December 2020 15: 26
            +1
            Quote: Roman070280
            Who will come and who will take it is the tenth thing ...

            In my opinion, the very first. Not the brothers have already taken it, did it give them a lot? In my opinion, it is the inhabitants of the Square that are pushing us onto the barricades, it’s very annoying to get into it myself.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 4 December 2020 00: 10
        +1
        "1% of the population has 90% of all material and financial resources .." This is a bullshit - all that this percentage owns is 17 part of all funds of movable and immovable property.
    2. Vladimir247
      Vladimir247 7 December 2020 16: 06
      0
      Didn't come. But not objective conditions, but pictures drawn by the media. And these are different things.
      And as for the fact that they will not touch it ... if there are few people, and there is no determination to go to the end. Then there is nothing to gather.
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 7 December 2020 16: 26
        0
        Quote: Vladimir247
        so if the people are few, and there is no determination to go to the end. Then there is nothing to gather.

        But these are objective conditions, not pictures. There are no people, so these levers of control are not interesting to him, and so everything suits him.
        1. Vladimir247
          Vladimir247 7 December 2020 17: 11
          0
          These are not objective conditions, but a media picture. There is a difference? Remove the picture, and everything will change.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 7 December 2020 17: 38
            -1
            Quote: Vladimir247
            media picture

            Only if you watch it all on TV. Then everything that surrounds you is just a picture. And you try to go out into life, and the picture will be replaced by reality.
            1. Vladimir247
              Vladimir247 7 December 2020 20: 41
              0
              Am I about myself? You go out into life, and you hear from people.
  • Nazar
    Nazar 2 December 2020 13: 46
    +2
    Svarog - The trouble is that the "paradigm change" and the revision of the privatization results proposed by the author can only be carried out with a lot of blood - the ghouls who suck will do anything to stay at the trough. And there is no one to decide on this. In 1917. The Bolsheviks were not a large and powerful party, but they had their own "network" and this, with some support from outside (the well-known "landing" of the Uritsa-Podvoiski-Volodarskys, etc.), allowed them to quickly develop into a serious organization. And most importantly, they had the will and determination to take power. There is no need to talk about external "support" now, and there is no one in sight who would be ready to organize a clean-up of the country from the proliferated dirty trick.
    And the longer this situation persists, the more blood and shocks will be required to preserve the country, and the worst and most likely thing is that no "paradigm changes", "revision of privatization", "nationalization of the elites" will take place and the Russian Federation will relatively quietly repeat the fate of the USSR recourse
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 2 December 2020 14: 59
      +5
      Quote: Nazar
      Svarog - The trouble is that the "paradigm change" and the revision of the privatization results proposed by the author can only be carried out with a lot of blood - the ghouls who suck will do anything to stay at the trough.

      In general, I agree with you .. In general, the time for great changes has not yet come. I think that the next generation will cope with this task.
      But will the country survive until that time? I have big doubts ..
      1. Nazar
        Nazar 3 December 2020 04: 13
        +1
        Svarog - Quote: "But will the country survive until that time? I have big doubts."
        So I have the same presentiment, that's why I wrote above that there is a high probability that the Russian Federation will relatively quietly repeat the fate of the USSR
    2. qQQQ
      qQQQ 2 December 2020 15: 29
      +7
      Quote: Nazar
      RF will relatively quietly repeat the fate of the USSR

      Rather, the fate of Ingushetia, a backward agrarian country, without serious science, industry, and now without a sufficient population.
      1. Nazar
        Nazar 3 December 2020 04: 19
        +1
        qqqq - You wrote everything correctly, there is even such a saying:
        Before the revolution, our village had a church and a roadside tavern. The Bolsheviks came - they opened a library in the church, closed the pub, built a school and a clinic. Democrats came - the library was closed, the school and the clinic were "optimized" and now there is a church and a roadside tavern in our village. wassat
        The country was practically returned to the state of 1914, only then there was someone to overturn it all, but now it seems there is no one sad
        1. qQQQ
          qQQQ 3 December 2020 08: 47
          +1
          Quote: Nazar
          The country was practically returned to the state of 1914, only then there was someone to overturn it all, but now it seems there is no one

          Unfortunately, there is no one, tk. the very driving force of the revolution is absent - the proletariat, together with industry it was quietly worn out.
          1. Nazar
            Nazar 3 December 2020 09: 08
            +1
            qqqq - And again I can only agree with you hi
    3. Vladimir247
      Vladimir247 7 December 2020 20: 49
      +1
      Nazar.

      Your skepticism is understandable ... but ... no. With a sufficient majority of the people, no one will shed blood. More dear to yourself. Over there in Bolivia, last year's usurpers of power are being put in cells. And nothing, do not rock the boat. It is important now to bring simple things and concepts to people. And when a sufficient number is gathered ... the security forces themselves will offer to help. If only someone. There will be people and leaders will appear. In the meantime ... many still believe in the picture.
      1. Nazar
        Nazar 7 December 2020 21: 23
        0
        Vladimir247 - Colleague, over 30 years a whole layer of super-rich people has formed and not all of them easily migrate abroad. And for their property here they will gnaw any throat, now their power and they will not give it up without a fight.
  • Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 2 December 2020 18: 46
    +2
    What do we have to do

    Walking, so to speak, on the Internet, I came across one wonderful phrase that answers this question. The answer is controversial, but once it helped ...
    Only two things can save Russia:
    1. Beauty.
    2. Mass executions of officials.
    The first is the most aesthetically pleasing.
    The second is the most effective. (from)
    1. Fat
      Fat 2 December 2020 20: 34
      +6
      Quote: Shelest2000
      What do we have to do

      Walking, so to speak, on the Internet, I came across one wonderful phrase that answers this question. The answer is controversial, but once it helped ...
      Only two things can save Russia:
      1. Beauty.
      2. Mass executions of officials.
      The first is the most aesthetically pleasing.
      The second is the most effective. (from)

      How surprisingly echoes "Schlageter", by Hans Jost, written in 1933:
      ... general impoverishment. The streets are full of homeless and disabled people. On Christmas Eve, people come to the theater. It's snowing and frosty outside, at the entrance there is a boy barefoot and in rags. Begging for alms is forbidden, so he pretends to sell matches. But nobody pays attention to the frozen child. Spectators walk by, arguing that Germany has not perished as long as we have our great culture. When the audience leaves after the performance, the boy is already frozen and even his body is covered with snow. But people don't care. They continue to argue that our great culture is immortal, and therefore the country is invincible ...
      In the conclusion of this story, the hero of the play utters the catchphrase that has become a catch phrase:
      "Now when I hear the word 'culture', my hand reaches for the gun."
    2. Nazar
      Nazar 3 December 2020 04: 29
      +1
      Shelest2000 - I like the other option better, although the meaning is the same:
      GDP disillusioned with its advisers evokes the spirit of I. V. Stalin. And he asks him - what to do, how to get the country out of the impasse? IVS responds - you need to execute a program of 3 points -
      1. Shoot the entire government;
      2. Send deputies of all levels to the felling;
      3. Paint the mausoleum green.
      GDP - is sincerely surprised, but why paint the mausoleum?
      IVS - I thought that there would be no questions on the first two points. belay
    3. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 3 December 2020 14: 03
      0
      Quote: Shelest2000
      What do we have to do

      Walking, so to speak, on the Internet, I came across one wonderful phrase that answers this question. The answer is controversial, but once it helped ...
      Only two things can save Russia:
      1. Beauty.
      2. Mass executions of officials.
      The first is the most aesthetically pleasing.
      The second is the most effective. (from)

      You need to understand that the president will put a woman in and shoot officials? Well, in the United States, the Negro was president, the woman is not yet. I should overtake America
  • AUL
    AUL 3 December 2020 18: 04
    +1
    Quote: Svarog
    I agree with the author. Without a paradigm change, and with it the entire "elite", nothing will come of it.

    What do we have to do

    A window of opportunity should be discerned in the global near-mute crisis and in the coronavirus "pandemic". To act with all the ruthlessness of the workers and peasants. Break the enemy game in one fell swoop.
    Before solving a problem, it is necessary to officially acknowledge its existence. And then the people have already reached the handle, and from each iron rushes - "Everything is fine, beautiful marquise!" And this can’t hide the mediocrity and helplessness of the leadership!
  • Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 4 December 2020 07: 00
    +1
    Quite right. Nationalization of enterprises working on natural resources, expropriation from smart-ass, followed by expulsion from the country. Rotten intelligentsia, either to the nail, or also open the door in one direction. Tv clean up, return school, health care, trade unions, etc. and here is the USSR. And not a land of abysses
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 2 December 2020 10: 28
    +4
    Quote: Normal ok
    China, is it "West" ?!

    Everything is relative. For the same Japan - quite a west
  • Arlen
    Arlen 2 December 2020 10: 34
    +10
    Do you still believe that China is our "friend and partner"?
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 2 December 2020 11: 00
    +4
    laughing It reminded the immortal "and then Ostap suffered." It happens. A person is seriously worried about the country.
    1. Berber
      Berber 2 December 2020 11: 15
      -5
      "Chef, it's all gone!" That's how I understood it all.
      The answer comes to mind - "Let's live!"
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 2 December 2020 12: 09
        +13
        Article .... what is it about? The author suggests that the mafia, which, thanks to the stupidity and lack of initiative of the main part of the population, has made it into power, change the paradigm of their existence - like they should refuse to fill their pockets and make their life easier and instead start working on the development of the country ... And what, seriously who what expects them to do this? Yes, not in life. They will suck the country to the last, and then, when it finally squeezes (if it still squeezes, I personally don’t believe in it), they will dump them into their hacienda on the shores of warm seas, write memoirs and make money on this ...
        1. Roman070280
          Roman070280 2 December 2020 13: 24
          +3
          The author suggests the mafia, which, thanks to the stupidity and lack of initiative of the bulk of the population, made its way into power, to change the paradigm of its existence-type they should refuse to fill their pockets and make life easier for themselves and instead start working on the development of the country ...


          You just can't say better !!
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 2 December 2020 12: 16
    +1
    Quote: Normal ok
    The author writes:
    where the West is striving, led by the USA, China and Japan.

    What? China, is it "West" ?!

    And how is it fundamentally different?
    Only those in the east ...
    And capitalism there is even more rigid and unprincipled than in the West ...
    1. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 2 December 2020 13: 34
      +4
      Quote: Doccor18
      And capitalism is even more rigid and unprincipled there than in the West.

      But against the background of ours .... Extremely sweet and humane. yes
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 2 December 2020 14: 04
        +1
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        Quote: Doccor18
        And capitalism is even more rigid and unprincipled there than in the West.

        But against the background of ours .... Extremely sweet and humane. yes

        Not sure. The Chinese are tough guys, and they have practically no concept of cruelty. There are interests and business, and for this they are capable of anything.
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 2 December 2020 14: 14
          +2
          Quote: Doccor18
          Not sure. Chinese are tough guys

          Ugums. Only 40 years ago in China the very concept of a pension practically did not exist. As well as the minimum wage. And now up to a quarter of Chinese are covered by pensions of various types. And the minimum salary, on average, is 1.5 times higher than ours. And if under the brutal Chinese capitalism social guarantees are gradually expanding, then under the soft Russian capitalism they shrink.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 2 December 2020 18: 52
            +1
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            up to a quarter of Chinese are covered by various types of pensions.

            How much!
          2. Fat
            Fat 2 December 2020 20: 41
            +1
            “The state does not exist in order to turn earthly life into paradise, but in order to prevent it from finally turning into hell” - these are the words of Nikolai Berdyaev.
          3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 2 December 2020 22: 37
            -2
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            the minimum salary is, on average, 1.5 times higher than ours

            And for those who have it there at all, it is often just that minimal. We, nevertheless, are not yet up to this.
            It is certainly not worth looking up to the Chinese "philanthropists".
            1. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 2 December 2020 22: 54
              +3
              Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
              And for those who have it there at all, it is often just that minimal. We, nevertheless, are not yet up to this.

              Please, dear. The average salary in China has long been higher than ours. More than 1.5 times. And stubbornly goes to an excess of 2 times. And despite the fact that up to 3000 yuan (35.000 rubles), the tax in China is 3%, and for these unfortunate 3% there is also a bunch of deductions that actually nullify them ..... We can say that ordinary people are clean, and it comes out twice as much.
              Alas and ah. Chinese beggars - historical past. And modern realities ... Beggars Russians, next to rich Chinese.
              1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                Boris ⁣ Shaver 3 December 2020 00: 09
                -1
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                The average salary in China has long been higher than ours. More than 1.5 times

                You just wrote the same figure for the minimum wage. Do you understand what you are talking about?
                Average salary. The internet gives numbers:
                - Russia 48 thousand rubles;
                - China 59 thousand rubles.

                BUT! For China, there are data only for large cities - industrial centers. So large economic centers like Hong Kong or Macau, which do not quite consider themselves to be China, make a huge contribution to this figure. The transfer of Hong Kong to China in 1997 undoubtedly corrected the statistics on the salaries of this country. But this is not an increase in the social security of all Chinese citizens - it is just the consequences of including a truly developed region in the general statistics.
                In addition, these statistics absolutely do not take into account the prosperity of the poor in rural areas - of whom in China at least 40 percent.
                As a result, even the average hospital figures should be at least 2 times less than 58 thousand rubles. And if the average is without Hong Kong or Macau (i.e. for the overwhelming majority of Chinese), then generally sadness and sadness.

                Is it really so difficult to understand these simple things on your own?

                The Chinese economy, in principle, is built on a virtually free labor force. A Chinese man who is injecting another Uncle Ma for a bowl of noodles is the real creator of the Chinese "economic miracle". As soon as such Chinese are over, the growth of their economy will end. So the increase in the income of the Chinese to the normal level - we will definitely not miss it, we will notice it by the loss of competitive advantages (cheapness) by Chinese goods.
    2. depressant
      depressant 2 December 2020 14: 23
      +9
      I remember last year ...
      Here, at VO, I said that as long as the store shelves are full, there will be no riot.
      How wrong I was!
      I also remember how in 2018 two completely dilapidated old women, supporting each other, went to vote for Putin. How do I know? And they talked about it. It was your electorate, President Putin!

      Now this electorate, satisfied with the full store shelves, the one that survived in the 90s, is leaving - some for eternity, who are sick and will give up on the elections in 2021, and will not live up to 2024 at all; someone has already fallen into senile marasmus and, naturally, will not go to the polls because of the forgetfulness inherent in such a state, someone is preparing to fall into it, and someone who still retains the remnants of the brain substance either will not go to the polling station himself , or he will be afraid of an epidemic and will not open the door to well-wishers with urns, or he will think that these are swindlers and will not be far from the truth ...
      Your electorate is leaving, President Putin!

      The outgoing one is being replaced by those who grew up with full shelves and consider such a state of store equipment to be natural. Considering this, he cannot buy much of what is laid out on those shelves. Because there is no decent job for him, a new generation of electorate, but he knows that in Soviet times, grandparents, who are rapidly disappearing into eternity, had such jobs. And if the USSR had survived to the present time, decent jobs and, in accordance with the logic of development, store shelves piled high with goods would have been available to him, the current generation of 30-40-year-olds. And he, the new electorate, is experiencing a state of deep national humiliation from the disintegration of a great country, inherited from grandparents. And no matter how hard the pro-Kremlin trolls, who have come to replace the silly troll chats of the era of the beginning of the epidemic and voting on amendments, have tried, they will not succeed. Legends and myths about the USSR have already been formed and will live for millennia, as the legends and myths of Ancient Greece live in millennia. And therefore, no matter how much time has passed, the hearts of new generations, each living in its own present, will painfully beat towards the Soviet past and freeze in horror at the sight of the proposed slaveholding future.
      1. zenion
        zenion 2 December 2020 14: 49
        -3
        depressant (lyudmila yakovlevna kuznetsova). You needlessly worry. They will replace shelves in shops, shelves in the streets and people will run, no one wants to feel the sharpness of a bayonet on their backs. Don't worry, these shelves will not be from Russians, but from those who came to Russia at the call of the heart.
      2. ee2100
        ee2100 2 December 2020 21: 24
        +3
        Was in St. Petersburg, talked with 30+. Everyone is unhappy with everything, but they don't know which way out. And this is our tomorrow! Whoever is the first to understand what this generation needs is the one and our tomorrow.
        About decency. If there is a min. 5% are not decent i.e. who steals, spits on the floor, swears, etc. then the bulk will follow this mainstream. Those. if it is possible for them and they are doing well and exactly, then I will be equal and do the same as this cattle. Question. How to beat this 5%.
        It is clear that the government will change, but in which direction? The dictatorship will follow the logic of history.
        If it is intelligible, not the worst way out.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 2 December 2020 22: 44
          +1
          Quote: ee2100
          If it is intelligible, not the worst way out.

          A good way out if there is a dictatorship of the proletariat .. and the dictatorship under capitalism is slavery.
        2. depressant
          depressant 2 December 2020 22: 54
          +3
          And I have already spoken about this even earlier. Conscious introduction of social technologies until their influence acquires a stable, self-sustaining character and becomes a custom, tradition. For punitive laws that are not supported by tradition are either not enforced or, when enforced, do not evoke the proper social response. Well, think about it, they put a swindler. You read and forgot about it. So the crooks will appear again.

          The simplest example (I already gave it once). In my village, no one has ever held the store doors in front of anyone. A man came out and threw a door behind him, which slammed on the next one. There was a lot of abuse, swearing - self-promoting rudeness. And then I began to parade the doors behind the people following me. It took three months to work. But I was patient, I knew what would work. Since then, it has become the custom. And now in our village everyone flaunts courtesy to each other, starting with kids, teenagers and ending with deep old people - that's all! Mata on the street now you will not hear even from our only plumber.
          Of course, the village is small, the customs that have arisen take root quickly. But the country consists of streets, quarters, villages ... It has not been three months here - three years are needed at once, everywhere, relentlessly. Everyone who can and wants.

          How to introduce into the public consciousness the idea that being honest, responsible and decent is a status? What is the reputation that matters? And so, in every conversation with the interlocutor. This is already an element of neurolinguistic programming at the everyday level. Let's say you and your interlocutor are talking about someone else. You know that this third one is a scoundrel and even. But you say: "What a wonderful person! Honest, decent, responsible!" Your interlocutor makes round eyes: "Yes, he is a scoundrel and a scoundrel!" In response, you are sincerely upset: "Really? How can you be like that in our time!"
          The main thing here is a demonstration of sincere grief, which will surely be deposited in the subconscious of your interlocutor and, reinforced by your repeated reactions of this type in other conversations with him, will become an imperative for him in assessing others.
          And if the third, the one you are discussing, is indeed a decent person, you should just as sincerely and for a long time admire his decency, honesty and any other virtues.
          But how are we really discussing someone, well, remember? We don't value people! And if we do, then only their negative manifestations ...
          You can abstractly resent the dishonesty of the authorities in the same conversations as much as you like, but besides the counter question "What are you like?" - a question, mentally or spoken aloud, there will be no other exhaust. Need to praise! Not powerful persons, but at the household level - their colleagues and neighbors. For honesty and decency. And if it becomes widespread, then sooner or later it will turn into a barrier against the temptation to commit an unseemly act. A person will begin to be afraid of losing the reputation that raises him in his own eyes.
          If this does not happen, then no surveillance cameras and points for decent behavior, as is already the case in China, will not exclude the desire to steal public goods and spoof.
          And if you don't hear expressions like "How can you? Where is this person's conscience?" In conversations, then the public conscience is dead. And at her coffin, the authorities can steal and dishonest with impunity. And we can rebel as much as we want, knowing in advance that near the grave of a dead conscience our rebellions are doomed.
          1. Fat
            Fat 3 December 2020 15: 06
            +1
            For honesty and decency. And if it becomes widespread, then sooner or later it will turn into a barrier against the temptation to commit an unseemly act. A person will begin to be afraid of losing the reputation that raises him in his own eyes.

            I will support you, Lyudmila Yakovlevna. Only very often one hears profound expressions like: "Decency is not a profession," "A good person is not a profession." Someone purposefully implements this thesis, which means a good and decent person is a loser, a notorious “loser”. Therefore, scammers and cunning traders with a market economic model are like flies near a heap of manure and the further, the worse. Spit on reputation if it diminishes profits.
            Consumer barbarity.
            1. depressant
              depressant 3 December 2020 16: 02
              +1
              Colleague Tolstoy, exactly!
              For the last twenty years you will not hear such words as "honest", "dishonest", "conscience" and others of this kind on the street. Meanwhile, in my childhood they were used by both adults and children, I heard them constantly. And then they began to disappear from everyday life, like some outdated technical term, and finally disappeared completely ...
              After the end of the Second World War, when it became clear that you couldn't take us with your bare hands, they began to make hundreds of visits from different directions, destroying what was the measure of our conscience. It took them forty-five years! They've been busy with us for forty-five years! It took the traitors of our country so much time to knock our moral support out from under our feet, and now we are in limbo, in fact, with our heads in a noose. With this, something really needs to be done.
          2. Vladimir247
            Vladimir247 7 December 2020 16: 17
            +1
            Dead conscience
            ..------------
            Correct thinking. And our anger towards each other is tirelessly cultivated by "our" media.
  • zenion
    zenion 2 December 2020 14: 45
    -1
    Normal ok (Peter). You are right, the writers are already so twisted and wrapped in something that is already, already sleeves at the back. They scare them with plates, then the whole west barks, then the dogs all screech. So that the people would not be so scared, take computers from the teachers and give out two-handed saws and axes. Make a real garden out of the felled taiga areas. Plant coffee trees, cocoa is already ground, let them think how to combine cocoa as a whole and ground, create a hybrid. You can and should still pears, apples and cherries. Since apple trees did not work out on Mars, let them be in the taiga. During the elections, the people should choose right away who will become the leader of the cancer, and who will develop muscle strength at construction sites, if brain power has failed.
  • lelik613
    lelik613 4 December 2020 07: 40
    +1
    Only a grammatical error: "The West, led by the USA, Chinaй and Japanя"
  • Kronos
    Kronos 2 December 2020 10: 06
    +3
    Calling the wolves to take care of the sheep shows the author's mental level.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 2 December 2020 10: 16
      +14
      Quote: Kronos
      Calling the wolves to take care of the sheep shows the author's mental level.

      The author does not call on anyone, as I read .. Rather, he reasons and reasonably shows that the train is going to a dead end.
      1. Berber
        Berber 2 December 2020 11: 17
        -10%
        Are you the author? Have created a bunch of "nicknames" and are adding to yourself.
      2. Roman070280
        Roman070280 2 December 2020 13: 29
        +2
        The author does not call on anyone, as I read .. Rather, he reasons and reasonably shows


        Come on .. you read it carefully ..))
        I highlighted something on the little things - is this exactly what Putin, who has been robbing the country for 20 years, will do?
        What is the validity!
        It's just that the author is completely disconnected from reality ..))


        But there is still a chance to stop all this in a civilized way.

        What do we have to do

        A window of opportunity should be discerned in the global near-cloud crisis and in the coronavirus "pandemic". Act from all over worker-peasant ruthlessness... Break down enemy game in one fell swoop.

        War is on the doorstep? It means we need it urgently to intercept the slogan of justice and truth from the enemy... Appeal to the codes of Russian civilization. The Russian idea is social justice indeed, the dominance of the ethics of conscience, solidarity and conciliarity. No predatory and parasitic capitalism.

        Start mobilization activities immediately. Mobilizing the economy with revision of the results of privatization and nationalization of leading industries and enterprises, mineral resources, water, forests and land. New industrialization. Restoring control over the financial and economic system of Russia, which has been under the control of the IMF and the World Bank since the 1990s. The revival of true democracy is to create popular, modern and effective analogues of the Supreme Congress of Soviets and Councils of People's Deputies at the local level.

        Is the enemy at the gate? Then what kind of "virus", what kind of quarantine? Are you out of your mind? You need to sound the alarm. By all means to strengthen the army and to restore the industry so that it produces everything of its own - from a nail to civilian liners. To carry out nationalization, including the capital that was taken out of the country.

        Nationalize the elite. All gentlemen with dual citizenship, capital and property abroad should be deprived of their positions. Let them leave for their country villas and British apartments (but having lost their assets in Russia and after investigating the origin of their "labor" income).

        Stop suicidal educational, migration and demographic policies. Restore the main achievements of pre-capitalist Russia - the rights to work, education, health care, housing, recreation, retirement, and personal security.

        There is no other way to save the state and the people.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 2 December 2020 17: 04
          +8
          I highlighted something on the little things - is this exactly what Putin, who has been robbing the country for 20 years, will do?
          What is the validity!

          And what does the author say that Putin is going to act in this way ..? in my opinion, there are no such words about Putin anywhere .. and it is clear that Putin is not capable of anything ..
  • rocket757
    rocket757 2 December 2020 10: 08
    -1
    The situation in the world and in Russia is rapidly deteriorating. The Kremlin is losing the levers of economic management and does not know how to live outside the framework of the commodity model. A new threat arises in the West when, after the US elections, the Democrats come to power, who will inevitably unleash a cold war with Russia.

    Here's sho this is for porridge from complete delirium, to shi z z strange fantasies ..... no, here you can't do with a glass, and half a liter won't help.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 2 December 2020 10: 18
      +20
      Quote: rocket757
      Here is sho this for porridge from complete delirium, to shi z z strange fantasies ...

      And what is wrong .. That the Kremlin has a plan for overcoming the crisis .. there is no such plan, they really do not know anything, they are waiting for oil to rise in price .. they have been waiting for 6 years already .. In my opinion, everything is described absolutely precisely ..
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 2 December 2020 10: 35
        +11
        there is no such plan, they really do not know anything, they are waiting for oil to rise in price ..
        Judging by the number of minuses, there is a plan (already a whole bag of a great plan), they just won't tell us about it tongue so that the enemies do not recognize ... strange ... we are enemies here too ???
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 2 December 2020 11: 48
          +2
          Quote: NDR-791
          there is still a plan (a whole bag of a great plan), they just won't tell us about it

          Pryz should be assigned to the one who will make the BEST PLAN !!!
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 2 December 2020 11: 27
        +2
        Quote: Svarog
        That the Kremlin has a plan to overcome the crisis.

        What does the Kremlin have to do with it .... NOBODY IN THE WORLD has a clear, intelligible explanation!
        War on the doorstep? It means that we urgently need to intercept the slogan of justice and truth from the enemy ...

        Is this an action plan ??? For all the good, against all the bad?
        This nonsense, backed up by "beautiful slogans" has nothing to do with reality, with those actions that can, with a lot of effort and ABILITY, lead the country to .... a normal, stable state .... in short, it is necessary to be more careful! Fewer slogans, ANY, and more cases, SPECIFIC and NECESSARY.
        PS I, not for whites, not for reds, only for the preservation of the country and the welfare of my people!
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 2 December 2020 12: 00
          +1
          It won't work that way. You have to choose a model. Or either. The modern is not effective, do you agree that we are rolling into the abyss? This means socialism, with adjustments for scientific and technical progress.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 2 December 2020 12: 18
            +8
            Quote: Essex62
            It won't work that way. You have to choose a model. Or either.

            And I have nothing to choose ... I, Soviet was, is, and I will remain so until the end.
            BUT, I believe in WORKS, not beautiful slogans and certainly not the nonsense that the author of the text gave out!
            Because being Soviet does not mean being bad. it will not be possible to make the Revolution straight away and return everything back ...
            You have to be realistic and understand that any business must be prepared very carefully and done as it should, and not as someone suddenly got hot ...
            in general, the topic can be developed for a long time and a lot, but it will only be a repetition of what has been written and discussed many, many times.
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 3 December 2020 07: 29
              +2
              A rolling stone gathers no moss. For things to appear, performers must appear. And the power holds a mutual guarantee and will not change anything itself.
              As long as we cook thoroughly, there will be no Soviet ones left. And "Pepsi" they hedgehog led to their denominator, almost massively. What was laid down in childhood is difficult to break. I really need a lot of stress.
        2. Svarog
          Svarog 2 December 2020 12: 57
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          Fewer slogans, ANY, and more cases, SPECIFIC and NECESSARY.

          Concrete deeds begin with slogans.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 2 December 2020 13: 19
            +5
            No, the specifics begins with the awareness of the correctness, the need to perform this or that CASE.
            slogans, without concrete filling with deeds, are DEAD !!!
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 2 December 2020 13: 32
              +2
              Quote: rocket757
              No, the specifics begins with the awareness of the correctness, the need to perform this or that CASE.
              slogans, without concrete filling with deeds, are DEAD !!!

              The slogan is a concentrated, capacious demand ... in this case, to the authorities. The slogan arouses the masses and encourages action .. Another question is that behind the slogan there should be an idea and an understanding of how to do better .. the socialists have such an idea .. which so far does not exist, so a personality that would consolidate all supporters of leftist views ..
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 2 December 2020 13: 45
                +5
                Quote: Svarog
                the socialists have such an idea ..

                And who are we SPECIFICALLY, the socialists, who at least have ideas ...
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 2 December 2020 13: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: rocket757
                  Quote: Svarog
                  the socialists have such an idea ..

                  And who are we SPECIFICALLY, the socialists, who at least have ideas ...

                  There are many of them .. Platoshkin, Grudinin, Komolov, Semin, Udaltsov, Spitsyn ... Shevchenko .. this is one of those who are the brightest ..
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 2 December 2020 15: 07
                    +2
                    Quote: Svarog
                    who are the brightest.

                    everyone chooses CAM ...
                  2. HaByxoDaBHocep
                    HaByxoDaBHocep 2 December 2020 16: 18
                    +2
                    Platoshkin, Grudinin, Udaltsov populists, Semin and Komolov are adequate comrades, without excesses and Trotskyism)
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 2 December 2020 17: 07
                      +1
                      Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
                      Platoshkin, Grudinin, Udaltsov populists, Semin and Komolov are adequate comrades, without excesses and Trotskyism)

                      Why do you think so? What are bigger populists than Putin? They, unlike the guarantor, did not rule the country to make such conclusions about them. And again, unlike Putin, Grudinin had a clear, well-founded pre-election program ...
                      1. kalibr
                        kalibr 2 December 2020 19: 09
                        +2
                        Quote: Svarog
                        And again, unlike Putin, Grudinin had a clear, well-founded pre-election program ...

                        It's funny to read that, Vladimir. The Bolsheviks had a clear program for "municipalizing the land." The SRs have liquidation ... and distribution. So what? Having received power, Lenin and Wu rejected their program, and took the Socialist-Revolutionary: "the people want this." Who knows what the "people" will want if the power is in their hands?
                      2. Svarog
                        Svarog 2 December 2020 19: 50
                        +2
                        The Bolsheviks had a clear program for the "municipalization of the land"

                        And they fulfilled it .. Collective farms appeared. What's so funny? Collective farms provided food to the city, where prices did not change for decades .. It is clear that the state dated .. but meat production only grew every year .. Your meat (I mean beef) There were many difficulties, and by the way, the Novocherkassk revolt became a consequence of this .. Nevertheless, the communists kept their promises, unlike today's leaders ..
                        Who knows what the "people" will want if the power is in their hands?

                        But now we know for sure about those who are in power and what they want. All objective indicators are screaming about it. A person, knowing his disappointing diagnosis, usually agrees to undergo surgery, although he may not be sure of a successful outcome.
                      3. kalibr
                        kalibr 2 December 2020 21: 01
                        0
                        Quote: Svarog
                        And they did it ..

                        You better read the program, you don't need to be guided by the name. Collective farms have nothing to do with it.
                      4. kalibr
                        kalibr 2 December 2020 21: 05
                        0
                        Quote: Svarog
                        But now we know for sure about those who are in power and what they want. All objective indicators are screaming about it. A person, knowing his disappointing diagnosis, usually agrees to undergo surgery, although he may not be sure of a successful outcome.

                        Again you did not understand. You know one thing. Who is in power and that is doubtful. You don't know what the people want. He is a different people and there are no guarantees that he will agree to the operation, especially with a dubious outcome. I am not, and many others are not. With whom will you then carry out this operation? With drunken lumpen? Marginalized at the trash cans?
                      5. Svarog
                        Svarog 2 December 2020 21: 35
                        +2
                        You didn’t understand again

                        I understand you perfectly. You point to the mistakes that were made by the Soviet state, I do not argue that they were. But in spite of the mistakes, there was also a result ... then it will be difficult for you to argue too. Now the result is negative in all respects. From which we can conclude that it is necessary to work on mistakes, but return the ideology and planned approach to the economy, like the entire oil and gas and mining industries.
                        You know one thing. Who is in power and that is doubtful.

                        Enlighten who you think is in power. I always evaluate by the result, whoever it is, there will be a result - good, no result - out. Simple and straightforward.
                        What the people want you do not know

                        I'm sure I know. The main thing that the people want is to have confidence in the future, social justice, high-quality and free medicine, education .. the old retirement age, social elevators, fair courts .. well, of course, the opportunity to be proud of their state and its achievements. All this, it is impossible without ideology ... socialist ... because only the state is able to defend the rights of workers ... those who did not fit into these 10% of today's, satisfied with everything ..
                        With whom will you then carry out this operation?

                        About the operation you did not quite understand me correctly .. I answered, on
                        Who knows what the "people" will want if the power is in their hands?

                        I understand your question in such a way that the one who gets to power will do what is beneficial to him, and not to the people ..
                        Perhaps it will be so. Maybe not. How will we know about this if we patiently observe the collapse of everything and everything?
                      6. kalibr
                        kalibr 3 December 2020 06: 04
                        0
                        Quote: Svarog
                        But in spite of the mistakes, there was a result ... then it will be difficult for you to argue too.

                        Yes, I know the result: 1991. Want to repeat, right?
                        And now it’s like this: since 1995 he was engaged in PR. And he taught in practice ... And I can say that everything you write is a steam release. It never comes to the point. Too smart today are those who ... rule. And they have very competent advisors. Again ... read my book, Opinion Management Technologies. You will see that people are very easy to manage. Even rams are even harder!
                      7. Drago
                        Drago 3 December 2020 07: 54
                        +1
                        You have a mistake. A typical mistake of a survivor. People are easy to manage. Here I agree. But just like you forget
                        add-in a stable situation. And the system goes into gear
                        ALL significant parameters.
                      8. kalibr
                        kalibr 3 December 2020 08: 03
                        0
                        Quote: Drago
                        And the system is going to
                        ALL significant parameters.

                        Who told you that? And ... just in the presence of many critical factors, the manageability of people ONLY INCREASES. I am telling you this as a PR specialist ...
                      9. Drago
                        Drago 3 December 2020 08: 34
                        0
                        Temporarily, only temporarily. No positive dynamics, no
                        You shouldn't have paid attention to the "survivor's mistake" - this is the key, you operate with the norm.
                        psychology is ALL DIFFERENT.
                      10. kalibr
                        kalibr 3 December 2020 10: 19
                        -1
                        Quote: Drago
                        A critical
                        psychology is ALL DIFFERENT.

                        There is no other!
                      11. Drago
                        Drago 3 December 2020 15: 31
                        0
                        No ??? Well, no, and no trial.
                  3. Drago
                    Drago 3 December 2020 08: 35
                    0
                    And yes. Regarding the factors, name at least one that improves.
                  4. kalibr
                    kalibr 3 December 2020 10: 22
                    -1
                    In just one hour, I personally received the complete examination I needed, including tests without a queue. My hair stands on end at the thought of how much time it would take with a scoop and now in an ordinary clinic! When I needed a scoop, I got the Hungarian medicine through the mother of a friend, the head of the pharmacy. Now I called - and they brought it to me.
          2. kalibr
            kalibr 3 December 2020 06: 10
            0
            Quote: Svarog
            The main thing that the people want is to have confidence in the future, social justice, high-quality and free medicine, education .. the old retirement age, social lifts, fair courts .. well, of course, the opportunity to be proud of their state and its achievements.

            Wanting to do something for this are different things!
  • Sergey Nemov
    Sergey Nemov 2 December 2020 22: 10
    +14
    I totally agree about Platoshkin, he is still a "rotten fruit", but not about Udaltsov. I respect Udaltsov, a real fighter. He is a true patriot of his homeland. There are not many of them now.
  • Vladimir247
    Vladimir247 7 December 2020 21: 27
    0
    Navukho yes
    ------
    As for Grudinin, I agree ... but as for Udaltsov ... the man who served in prison, so to speak, for the market, replied that now the phenomenon is extremely rare.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 2 December 2020 14: 41
    +6
    Quote: rocket757
    And who are we SPECIFICALLY, the socialists, who at least have ideas ...

    we have a system of excluding ideological people in power. And you need to be more careful with ideas because you can sit down for calls for destruction
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 2 December 2020 15: 05
      +4
      Quote: aybolyt678
      sit down for calls for destruction

      And we NOW just need destruction ???
      As for me, only CREATION is required!
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 2 December 2020 19: 49
        +1
        Quote: rocket757
        As for me, only CREATION is required!

        a call to change political guidelines can be regarded as the destruction of statehood. Platoshkin is a living example.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 3 December 2020 09: 36
          +2
          Somewhat wrong .... you can call the crowd to me, without the slightest harm to your health, if it is not prohibited by the LAW OF THE COUNTRY!
          You, even, CAN call for a change in the social system !!! if you propose to act in the LEGAL FIELD, i.e. by legal methods !!!
          I will not develop the topic further .... everything was discussed more than once.
      2. Vladimir247
        Vladimir247 7 December 2020 16: 29
        0
        Creation ...
        -------
        Building what? Serdyukov was creating Vasilyeva's capital. Usmanov creates his own. Need more? To create further? love
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 2 December 2020 14: 45
    +2
    Quote: rocket757
    No, the specifics begins with the awareness of the correctness, the need to perform this or that CASE.

    exactly. Public consciousness, information background needs to be formed. Who owns the media?
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 2 December 2020 15: 03
      +9
      I have already written many times how our area was conquered by the LDPR party. Which year they have won with us, and yet it was done by ONE person, a simple functionary of their regional organization .... he just with a soul, with a real attempt to help ordinary residents of the area !!! PEOPLE still haven't forgotten this ...
      by the way, neither in the media, nowhere was it particularly advertised, just a person went, helped where he could, tried to help where he certainly could NOT do anything ...
      This is how it happens ... who wants to help, he HELPS, and who does not need it, he is looking for a REASON NOT TO DO ANYTHING !!!
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 2 December 2020 19: 47
        +1
        Quote: rocket757
        he is looking for a REASON NOT TO DO ANYTHING !!!

        imitate simulating hectic activity ... sometimes. With the help of the press, they form their own image. And diligently blot out the names of the heroes you wrote about
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 3 December 2020 09: 15
          +2
          Quote: aybolyt678
          With the help of the press, they form their own image

          What is remarkable about the local elections .... people are often aware of what "heroes" they are offered as leaders!
          We have a local "Obama" Vasil Vasilisa K. pushed to the top .... a noticeable personality, and only in the local media as advertised him .... in short, a super choice for everyone !!!
          Here are just popular rumors, real stories of communication, deeds, that shot, quickly put a CROSS on the plans of those goats with strange people.
          A simple conclusion - no media, no other chatter will help if there is a stable, real opinion of the masses, people, voters, about a particular person!
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 3 December 2020 09: 21
            +1
            Quote: rocket757
            A simple conclusion - no media, no other chatter will help if there is a stable, real opinion of the masses, people, voters, about a particular person!

            it is in a small village ... Yes! maybe .. but by and large it doesn't matter who they are, the main thing is what they write about them
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 3 December 2020 09: 58
              +1
              "popular rumor" is different and its size depends on many reasons ...
              They simply call it differently when it reaches a higher quantitative, large-scale level.
            2. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 3 December 2020 12: 29
              0
              Quote: rocket757
              They simply call it differently when it reaches a higher quantitative, large-scale level.

              Uzun kulak (Kazakh) - long ear, or steppe rumor laughing
  • Vladimir247
    Vladimir247 7 December 2020 16: 25
    0
    More to do ...
    ---------
    So this slogan is ... and empty. The affairs of the current government are sheer theft. And you urge to increase it ... for the glory of the well-being of your people ... wink
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 2 December 2020 12: 11
    -3
    Quote: Svarog
    In my opinion, everything is described absolutely precisely ..

    Yep, exactly:
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 December 2020 21: 16
      -4
      The author has another crossover - it will probably pass over time.
  • Nasrat
    Nasrat 2 December 2020 10: 27
    -11%
    Quote: rocket757

    Here is sho this for porridge from complete delirium,.

    I read up to the second column and understood - Samsonov ...., everything, stopped reading. The hot news about Karabakh ended and the author put the old records in a new way ... I wonder - how long will this crap be printed?
    good luck to everyone who loves to masturbate on these topics!
    1. matross
      matross 2 December 2020 10: 46
      -4
      Quote: Nasr
      I'm wondering - how long will this crap be printed?
      good luck to everyone who loves to masturbate on these topics!

      Yeah ... reading this on VO is somehow even ashamed. Analytics level negative
      And the voluptuous ones will now run over, will gently plus each other repeat lol
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 2 December 2020 11: 13
        +1
        Quote: matRoss
        And the voluptuous ones will now run over, will gently plus each other

        Do you want to be plumped to death? wassat laughing
        This pride in you speaks laughing
      2. Berber
        Berber 2 December 2020 11: 20
        -2
        There may not be many voluptuous ones, only a bunch of nicknames. And the style is horrible as monotonous.
    2. Berber
      Berber 2 December 2020 11: 18
      0
      I join - complete nonsense.
      1. saigon
        saigon 2 December 2020 12: 36
        +3
        But at the expense of delirium, sir, you are greatly mistaken!
        Rather, the stream of consciousness is not controlled, but important issues are raised.
        It is beginning to remind the beginning of the last century exactly the moment that the rulers of all countries have lost the ability to manage normally the result of PMA.
        What do we see at the moment, but we see the collapse of the old model of the world order with bloody squabbles in different parts of the world and incomprehensible actions of the authorities.
        The author sees the danger in the growth of the influence of the so-called regional feudal lords, but this is a mistake.
        Modern local princes are not ancient feudal lords, not at all.
        The modern prince of the local spill is not independent and self-sufficient, he is not a feudal lord, not a military leader of the territory, often not authoritative in his region or region. The modern local navel of the earth for the most part is not a WARRIOR, a tradesman or an obedient servant.
        The main danger for the country is the loss of confidence in the authorities and institutions of power by the people, the absence of a coherent ideology in this danger.
        1. Berber
          Berber 2 December 2020 16: 42
          -4
          At the moment, the most important thing is to stay above the fight, not to make unnecessary movements. Why did the "west" twitch? Because it hurts. And if it hurts, then we are doing everything right. And the author, as always - "we will destroy the whole world of violence ..." and so on. And our opponents are just waiting for this.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 2 December 2020 17: 08
            -1
            Quote: BerBer
            at the moment the most important thing is to stay above the fight, not to make unnecessary movements. Why did the "west" twitch? Because it hurts. And if it hurts, then we are doing everything right.

            Who are you? Those who hurt the population of the country?
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 3 December 2020 08: 06
              0
              And that the world of violence must be preserved? What are "we" doing right? Where did the puppeteers twitch and where does it hurt? They sit on a printing press and don't bother. If you personally got into 10% of those living "from the belly" this does not mean that everyone else is happy with it.
            2. Berber
              Berber 3 December 2020 12: 20
              +1
              It makes no sense for you to explain something. What you do is dishonorable.
          2. saigon
            saigon 3 December 2020 08: 05
            -1
            Excuse me over what fight should we stay?
            Understand this is not the West twitching and we are not doing something right there, the process of breaking the old control system does not depend on us or the West. The control system of the last century does not correspond to the realities of our time, and the authorities, as always, missed this moment, all the authorities of all countries the old center of power.
            And no matter how the west twitched and no matter how super right we acted, I'm afraid that not much time will pass and the Russian soldier in the same trench with Amer and Hans in the same trench will fire machine guns at the Chinese and their allies.
    3. rocket757
      rocket757 2 December 2020 11: 36
      +1
      Quote: Nasr
      I read to the second column and understood

      So slogans, appeals are crammed ... in general, the standard, for a certain circle, unique personalities.
      But besides, with pathos, with a twinkle, one might say ...
      Add a picture with an armored car ... although no, in the HISTORICAL plot, the meaning was not weak, but here is one riot ...
    4. BAI
      BAI 2 December 2020 11: 47
      +3
      The readers were jubilated once again, so maybe this is how it should be? Maybe they like it? (This does not apply to me, I have nothing to do with it!)
    5. Lord_Bran
      Lord_Bran 2 December 2020 11: 50
      +4
      Russia today is dying more than ever before. laughing
      1. depressant
        depressant 2 December 2020 14: 36
        +2
        Appreciated your wit, colleague Lord_Bran!
        Apparently, we approach the issue in different ways, but for the presented opportunity to have fun - thank you very much! )))
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 2 December 2020 19: 17
          -1
          I personally see the main problem today in the fact that "Czech beer" with the number in the "comb" 46, that is, made in Russia, is complete shit compared to beer made in Germany and Belgium. Although in theory it should not be different! For some reason, the "sneakers" that were sent to me from England, I wanted to eat, but exactly the same ones that are sold here ... no. And Lipton tea there is completely different ... For some reason, different taste. But the good thing is that if you look, you can find beer made "there", although it is more expensive! This is a great achievement in comparison with the era of socialism. And of course, you can go anywhere and see everything yourself (and try!). Check it out on your own experience. It is important!
          1. depressant
            depressant 2 December 2020 19: 48
            +2
            Vyacheslav Olegovich, everything that is sold in stores adjacent to my house - tea bags, ground coffee, ground pepper, small "Alenka" chocolates, as well as cigarettes - all this has a surprisingly identical and extremely unpleasant smack of chicory, or some other something additives, I just can not determine exactly what it is. Either something is wrong with me, or with the industry. They say that Alenka chocolate has been expelled from the EU - a fake! We need to see who produces it - almost all of our brands have been sold to foreigners.
            As for going abroad ...
            I still can't - because of insufficient funds.
            And we are not given to see a possible path that runs somewhere nearby, starting from the moment of Stalin's death - it runs, invisible, but it seems, take a step, step on it, and now you are already in 2020, the mighty Soviet Union is spread around , entry and exit from the country is free. Because we are so strong that it is no longer necessary to hide from anyone behind the Iron Curtain. I constantly feel this path, but you cannot penetrate into another dimension.
            But in reality, on the path that we once chose, we are so weak that, having exhausted ourselves as a market for foreign goods, we can hardly hold back the iron curtain that is approaching us from the outside.
          2. Icarus
            Icarus 4 December 2020 19: 00
            0
            Quote: kalibr
            I personally see the main problem today in the fact that "Czech beer" with the number in the "comb" 46, that is, made in Russia, is complete shit compared to beer made in Germany and Belgium. Although in theory it should not be different! For some reason, the "sneakers" that were sent to me from England, I wanted to eat, but exactly the same ones that are sold here ... no. And Lipton tea there is completely different ... For some reason, different taste. But the good thing is that if you look, you can find beer made "there", although it is more expensive! This is a great achievement in comparison with the era of socialism. And of course, you can go anywhere and see everything yourself (and try!). Check it out on your own experience. It is important!

            What are you all about your own skin. The article is not about the womb and the needs of an individual, but about the fact that our salvation (if "the enemy is at the gate") is in the mobilization economy. Which gives the potential to make a breakthrough not in all, but in certain sectors of the economy and in the military industry in particular. With the current order, this is impossible to do. Therefore, without changes, without the nationalization of the raw material industries, in the author's opinion (and in my humble opinion too) there is no other way to save the state. External forces will not give our country time to balance and develop gradually. We'll have to sacrifice oil again (if again the choice in the economy is between cannons and oil).
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 2 December 2020 21: 15
        -5
        Russia is dying so now that it's just horror - only the Samsonovs can save it because they know and understand what and how to do the main decree in the country, and the rest will follow.
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 2 December 2020 10: 29
    +2
    Quote: rocket757
    half a liter will not help.

    In general, half a liter helped very few people.
    Rather the opposite.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 2 December 2020 11: 31
      0
      Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
      In general, half a liter helped very few people.
      Rather the opposite.

      That's right, it won't help!
      But Schaub to understand the gibberish message, you need to come to a gibberish state, although for a while ... however, you can just spit on STE business, business then, you won't lose much.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 2 December 2020 10: 46
    0
    Quote: rocket757
    Here is sho this for porridge from complete nonsense, to shi z z strange fantasies ..

    A blank from a training manual, or a "scarecrow" type fantasy.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 2 December 2020 11: 33
      -3
      Quote: tihonmarine
      A blank from a training manual, or a "scarecrow" type fantasy.

      No, the author's violent imagination is present here ... although, if the manual is from the same violent ones, tady oh ...
      who will disassemble them, will understand.
  • Konstantin Shevchenko
    Konstantin Shevchenko 2 December 2020 10: 08
    +2
    We must be patient until May and the dacha will begin.
  • Eldorado
    Eldorado 2 December 2020 10: 10
    -9
    Another paid article negative ...
  • Egoza
    Egoza 2 December 2020 10: 14
    +19
    Nationalize the elite. All gentlemen with dual citizenship, capital and property abroad should be deprived of their positions. Let them leave for their country villas and British apartments (but having lost their assets in Russia and after investigating the origin of their "labor" income).

    Stop suicidal educational, migration and demographic policies. Restore the main achievements of pre-capitalist Russia - the rights to work, education, health care, housing, recreation, retirement, and personal security.

    There is no other way to save the state and the people.

    And here I agree with the author! It is high time!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 December 2020 10: 33
      +8
      Quote: Egoza
      And here I agree with the author! It is high time !

      Nationalize the elite.

      The thought is correct, but only the "thought". But how can this "elite" be herself? "nationalize" ? Or maybe the Martians will fly in and nationalize.
      1. WIKI
        WIKI 2 December 2020 11: 46
        -6
        Quote: tihonmarine
        But how is this "elite" going to "nationalize" itself?

        There is no need to invent your own exclusive path of development, but you can follow the Chinese path, which has shown a positive result. This alone requires a new political structure in Russia. This suggests not nationalization, but the denationalization of property. In China, "if in 1978 the enterprises that were in the national ownership accounted for 77,6% of industrial output, and the" collective "- 22,4%, then in 2009 the public sector provides only 26,7% of production, 26,9% of total profits and 20,4% of employment, "which probably provided an annual GDP growth of 7%. In this regard, Russia is the opposite of China. State ownership is over 60-70%. In fact, no one controls the state-owned companies, they are not accounted for, and their existence benefits only the management, which can overestimate its salaries against the background of chronic unprofitability. A new political structure is needed.
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 2 December 2020 12: 27
          +2
          In China, one and a half lard of the population and it plows at three places of work, without straightening its back. And also clever uncles, under the slogans of "socialism" (that's not sickly settled) fatten, exploiting. This is not our way. The system in China, as well as in gayrops, states or the Russian Federation, is focused on extracting margin. This is not socialism.
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 2 December 2020 16: 16
            -1
            Quote: Essex62
            This is not socialism

            "Are you checkered, or should you go?" There are no ideal systems. It is impossible to force a modern person, with the existing communicativeness, to work for an idea.
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 2 December 2020 18: 19
              0
              Why for an idea? Did we in the Union really work for the idea, in its pure form? This is already barracks communism, they have moved away from it long, far and forever. Create peace of mind for our person, a collective breakthrough, reinforce it with a goal and decent pay and you will not be overjoyed. Only for the good of everyone, not to extract a margin, for a handful. Feeling equal among equals does wonders
              On this, all the achievements of the USSR grew.
              Or do you want to say that we were hanged noodles and we were led? Poor. A friend worked at BAM, they had a freed secretary, continued to work at the levers of the bulldozer.
              And the Chinese are not for the idea, they plow for a very small share of three jobs and are very happy. Because there is an excess, the same bondage.
              1. WIKI
                WIKI 2 December 2020 20: 37
                0
                Quote: Essex62
                Only for the good of everyone

                You are an idealist. I wrote that with the existing communication, it is impossible to do this, unless this is an option for North Korea.
        2. Nazar
          Nazar 2 December 2020 14: 28
          -1
          WIKI - Colleague, here is your proposal - a quote: "but you can go along the Chinese path," - it is possible, apparently even necessary. But you just have to go from the very beginning, that is, wind the mold on the tracks of tanks that has spread in the country in recent years - as the Chinese did in 1989.
          Is there anyone in our country to do this? It seems that no, and then no "Chinese way" will work.
          An old-old adage: you can't cook scrambled eggs without breaking the eggs.
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 2 December 2020 16: 39
            -1
            Quote: Nazar
            You just have to go from the very beginning, that is, wind that mold on the tracks of tanks,

            Who do you mean by "mold"? If those who are in power, then they will not be able to do this with themselves. If those who are against, then they will do it once or twice. It is necessary to use a peaceful method, such as agitation, and in order to exclude fraud, participate in the elections as observers. Accounting and control.
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 2 December 2020 18: 32
              +1
              Utopia. Control is in the hands of those who announce the result. That is, the "chosen ones" themselves. There is no opposition in the Russian Federation, from the word at all.
              1. WIKI
                WIKI 2 December 2020 20: 41
                -1
                Quote: Essex62
                Control is in the hands of those who announce the result.

                Control is in the hands of those who really control the counting, and do not serve the number.
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 3 December 2020 08: 15
                  +2
                  No one already thinks of anything, and that's all. There is no real resistance. Mowed, cleaned out. No one will let you stick your nose into the system. They will be torn off along with the head. Our Russian Federation grew out of fraternal showdowns. The boys put on ties and expensive suits instead of leather jackets, the essence is the same.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 2 December 2020 21: 23
            -1
            There will never be any Chinese way in Russia - and yes, the Chinese economy took off in the 70s when the West began to pour money there along with technologies and industries.
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 2 December 2020 15: 15
          +2
          Quote: WIKI
          There is no need to invent your own exclusive path of development, but you can follow the Chinese path, which has shown a positive result.

          The result is the same everywhere, both in China and in other countries.
          Growth of private wealth: Russia versus China and other capitalist countries (private wealth as a% of national income):

          Decrease in public ownership: Russia versus other countries (share of net social wealth in net national wealth):

          And the reason is that the processes of transition from the socialist to the capitalist form of economy, in contrast to Russia, proceeded more smoothly. In particular, the privatization process in China was much more gradual than in Russia: it began earlier and continues to this day. it is carried out under the direct leadership of the Communist Party.
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 2 December 2020 16: 59
            +1
            Quote: tihonmarine
            The result is the same everywhere, both in China and in other countries.
            Increase in private wealth

            I am with both hands for the growth of private wealth, but only at the expense of my personal abilities, and under the control of the state with the help of laws, the implementation of which must be controlled independent court.
            Quote: tihonmarine
            the processes of transition from the socialist form of economy to the capitalist, in contrast to Russia, proceeded more smoothly.

            The smoothness of the transition depends on the degree of greed of the elite, and the ability of the state to control this process. Who controlled Chubais when he distributed property for a gift? Faster grab, under the cover of high matters, in the interests of the individuals representing the state.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 2 December 2020 19: 50
              0
              Quote: WIKI
              I am with both hands for the growth of private wealth, but only at the expense of my personal abilities, and under the control of the state with the help of laws, the implementation of which must be controlled by an independent court.

              In China, the state court is engaged in this, under the control of the CCP (we understand the difference). Plus, for many violations in an aggravating form, the VM of punishment is applied.
              And the law works, and private traders know, the answer will have to be held. But even there are almost no oligarchs like in Russia, everything is in moderation, but competently and wisely. I worked for China, I know something.
              1. WIKI
                WIKI 2 December 2020 21: 07
                0
                Quote: tihonmarine
                In China, the state court does this under the control of the CCP.

                Does the CCP give instructions or make sure that the court makes decisions in accordance with the law?
            2. Vladimir247
              Vladimir247 7 December 2020 16: 43
              0
              Wiki
              ------
              Was Kem controlled, Chubais?
              --------
              How by whom? An independent court! For which you stand up.
              There is nothing and no one independent in the world. Everything is dependent and interconnected. Our court should be elective and depend on the people. With a clear and simple mechanism for recalling a judge.
              And now we have no ships. This is a parody, not courts. Although the constitution must be elected.
    2. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 2 December 2020 10: 45
      +17
      The elite disagree with you ... None of them in their right mind will part with the squeezed enterprises, with the stolen assets, with billions of rubles introduced abroad. Putin has clearly said this will not happen. hi The head of state secured untouchability and longevity in power for himself, a sure sign of decay of the state from above. Maybe Putin thinks it will last forever ... what I have to remind you that this has happened more than once in history and it always ended in tears for everyone.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 2 December 2020 19: 56
        +1
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        The elite disagree with you ..

        Who is the elite? Oligarchs, or bureaucrats, managers, or the intelligentsia that persecutes our children with their "tales", media means, their pro-Western culture "Or maybe a crime that has becomegood citizens"? All these categories of" citizens "do not agree. They are just elements alien to our land and" bablokos ".
    3. BAI
      BAI 2 December 2020 11: 49
      -3
      Nationalize the elite. All gentlemen with dual citizenship, ........ deprive them of their posts.

      So the author was late here. Putin has already signed a law on this topic.
      1. saigon
        saigon 2 December 2020 12: 40
        +5
        And what if Putin signed the law so what. It had previously been a ban on dual citizenship, and this hindered someone.
      2. Alf
        Alf 2 December 2020 20: 48
        +2
        Quote: BAI
        Nationalize the elite. All gentlemen with dual citizenship, ........ deprive them of their posts.

        So the author was late here. Putin has already signed a law on this topic.

        Not certainly in that way. Putin SUBMITTED the idea to the Duma, but what form this idea will take AFTER discussing this project, we can only guess.
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 2 December 2020 10: 19
    +11
    Trump, due to his concentration on domestic problems, did not particularly pester Russia.
    Yeah, that Gazprom cannot complete Nord Stream-2. Trump in 1 term, in my opinion, harmed the Russian Federation more than Obama and Bush, taken together for their 4
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 2 December 2020 10: 23
      +10
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      Trump, due to his concentration on domestic problems, did not particularly pester Russia.
      Yeah, that Gazprom cannot complete Nord Stream-2. Trump in 1 term, in my opinion, harmed the Russian Federation more than Obama and Bush, taken together for their 4

      Trump, Putin appointed wassat
    2. Malyuta
      Malyuta 2 December 2020 11: 54
      +25
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      Yeah, that Gazprom cannot complete Nord Stream-2. Trump in 1 term, in my opinion, harmed the Russian Federation more than Obama and Bush, taken together for their 4

      How much more do you think Putin has harmed the Russian Federation than all the American presidents combined?
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 2 December 2020 15: 19
        +1
        Quote: Malyuta
        How much more do you think Putin did to Russia?

        I personally do not know how much he hurt, but every one of them knows how much Gorbachev and Yeltsin did.
    3. Roman070280
      Roman070280 2 December 2020 13: 35
      +2
      Gazprom cannot complete the construction of Nord Stream-2. Trump in 1 term, in my opinion, hurt the Russian Federation


      Or maybe Trump just cared about the Russian people ??)

      President Vladimir Putin called the recent rise in gasoline prices in Russia unacceptable. He stated this during a straight line. This situation was the result of "inaccurate regulation" that was carried out in the energy sector, Putin said.

      The government has revised some tax measures to fill the budget - the so-called maneuver, the president explained. This led to the stimulation of the export of crude oil abroad. Prices on the world market have risen, so it has become more profitable to export fuel than to sell it in Russia. To compensate for the lost revenue in the domestic market, companies began to raise gas prices, Putin explained.



      And who thinks what - if the SP-2 is completed, and the prices on the world market for gas rise, and it will be more profitable to export than to sell in Russia ... how will they compensate for the lost income ??)
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 2 December 2020 10: 20
    +10
    What do we have to do
    What needs to be done, in a civilized manner, it is clear, and who will do it? Gref with Chubais and the others? laughing Author Staver on the Analytics thread, writes about an almost new world war in which Russia will win, Samsonov about how the ruling elite will deprive itself of income. laughing
    "They go crazy on their own. It's just the flu all together get sick." (C) Flu? laughing
  • Boris55
    Boris55 2 December 2020 10: 21
    -10%
    I disagree with many of the author's theses, and many of them are already being implemented.

    Is a "color" revolution possible in our country? Quite. It must be remembered that revolutions take place in the capitals, the outskirts accept new power or are forced to accept it by force.

    Look at the contingent on our website - half of them almost openly call for the overthrow of Putin i.e. to a change of power, to a revolution, thereby trying to fulfill the dream of the West - to blow up Russia from the inside, lower it below the plinth and tear it apart. Neither you nor them will succeed. Russia was, is and will be!
    1. Woodman
      Woodman 2 December 2020 10: 28
      -3
      Quote: Boris55
      half almost openly call for the overthrow of Putin, i.e. to a change of power, to a revolution.

      Of these, half stupidly flatters vanity with a virtual rating and, besides slogans and pictures, does not produce any thoughts.
      Quote: Boris55
      Is a "color" revolution possible in our country? Quite.

      Such a revolution is possible anywhere. The main condition is a weak-willed leader at the helm of the state and an external dimensionless source of funding. The rest is not critical.
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 2 December 2020 11: 51
        +31
        Quote: Lesovik
        Such a revolution is possible anywhere. The main condition is a weak-willed leader at the helm of the state and an external dimensionless source of funding. The rest is not critical.

        I apologize a lot, but don't you take people's discontent into account?
        1. Woodman
          Woodman 2 December 2020 12: 14
          -5
          Quote: Malyuta
          and the discontent of the people you do not take into account?

          No. People's discontent is not a critical factor. Correct propaganda on the part of the authorities and suppression of riots (without excessive cruelty, but firmly and without lamenting about "human rights") on the part of the security forces - this is enough to prevent popular discontent from escalating into a popular revolt. Moreover, “popular discontent”, before becoming a popular one, must have activists who are financed by someone.
          Popular discontent becomes a serious factor at the moment when the authorities show weakness in front of activists and provocateurs. It is at this moment that such discontent can strengthen the "colored revolutionaries", and regardless of whether the interests of the revolutionaries coincide with the interests of the people.
          Something like this ...
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 2 December 2020 12: 28
            +29
            Quote: Lesovik
            Moreover, "popular discontent", before becoming a popular one, must have activists who are financed by someone.

            But what about Khabarovsk?
            1. Woodman
              Woodman 2 December 2020 12: 43
              -4
              Quote: Malyuta
              But what about Khabarovsk?

              And the details? Who started the protests? When did they become widespread? Finally, what have the protesters accomplished?
              And ... do you think that there was a "color revolution" in Khabarovsk?
              1. depressant
                depressant 2 December 2020 14: 50
                0
                Colleague Lesovik, I must say, you reason very competently.
                1. kalibr
                  kalibr 2 December 2020 19: 25
                  -2
                  He was clearly reading my college textbook, Public Opinion Management Technologies. There, two whole chapters are devoted to the technologies of "color revolutions".
                  1. Alf
                    Alf 2 December 2020 21: 00
                    +6
                    Quote: kalibr
                    He was clearly reading my college textbook, Public Opinion Management Technologies. There, two whole chapters are devoted to the technologies of "color revolutions".

                    Our shoots have ripened everywhere ... I have already written a book for the color revolutions. There is a phrase - If you are so smart, why are you not rich yet? This phrase applies to you, Mr. Shpakovsky 100%.
                    1. kalibr
                      kalibr 2 December 2020 21: 10
                      -3
                      In our country, intelligence, Vasily, the product is cheap, as it was in the USSR, where I was paid 30 rubles for a 40-minute TV program. and even now it is not much better. But even though I am not a rich person in your understanding of this word, but ... I am not complaining about life. Rich, I have always been different: I did basically only what I wanted and what I liked. It is generally difficult to make money on this path, especially with us. But ... I succeeded and succeeded and not bad.
                      1. Alf
                        Alf 2 December 2020 21: 20
                        +5
                        Quote: kalibr
                        where I was paid 30 rubles for a 40-minute TV program. and even now it is not much better.

                        By the way, in the USSR, 40 rubles were MONEY and it was very good to earn it in half an hour. Although yes, you are right, it is far from the level of Malakhov, Alibasov and other trash.
                        By the way, what about the confirmation from the Ministry of Defense about the bombing of the retreating ones? I did not pull you by the tongue, do not be like our supreme ... storyteller.
                      2. kalibr
                        kalibr 3 December 2020 06: 13
                        0
                        You are not familiar with the specifics of the archive. In MO, the answer is MONTH. Here is the text: Was there an order during the Second World War that parts of the Red Army retreating without an order were to be bombed from aircraft, or perhaps a similar action of a one-off nature took place along with the execution of soldiers of retreating or stampede units? I sent it to the RGVA. No answer yet ...
                      3. Alf
                        Alf 3 December 2020 18: 56
                        +2
                        Quote: kalibr
                        You are not familiar with the specifics of the archive. In MO the answer is MONTH.

                        Don't worry, I'll remind you in mid-January.
                      4. kalibr
                        kalibr 3 December 2020 19: 00
                        0
                        I wrote to you in Russian: I sent it to the Russian State Archive. And the text is attached, HIGHLIGHTED !!! I did not write to the MO. I contacted them before. Due to the virus, they only answer questions about personal data. But most likely this is a month for the RGVA ...
                      5. Alf
                        Alf 3 December 2020 19: 16
                        +2
                        Quote: kalibr
                        I wrote to you in Russian: I sent it to the Russian State Archive. And the text is attached, HIGHLIGHTED !!! I did not write to the MO. I contacted them before. Due to the virus, they only answer questions about personal data. But most likely this is a month for the RGVA ...

                        I'll wait...
                    2. kalibr
                      kalibr 3 December 2020 19: 20
                      0
                      Basil! What a great idea came to me now. And you yourself write to RGVA and ask about the same. You can use my own text or create your own. And then I'm "bad". I'll take you and deceive ?! And you, after all, are not capable of deception, you will definitely bring everything to my attention and to the masses. And it’s also interesting, a new business for you. Try it, it will not be worse for her, nobody will bite her ass for demand, and there is an opportunity to find out the truth.
                    3. Alf
                      Alf 3 December 2020 19: 29
                      +1
                      Quote: kalibr
                      Basil! What a great idea came to me now. And you yourself write to RGVA and ask about the same. You can use my own text or create your own. And then I'm "bad". I'll take you and deceive ?! And you, after all, are not capable of deception, you will definitely bring everything to my attention and to the masses. And it’s also interesting, a new business for you. Try it, it will not be worse for her, nobody will bite her ass for demand, and there is an opportunity to find out the truth.

                      No really! You said you should answer and prove, you don't need to translate the arrows. Something you have already wagged .... And I do not want to look like an idiot in front of the one who will read this request. And in mid-January, I will remind you, do not hope.
                    4. kalibr
                      kalibr 3 December 2020 19: 33
                      -2
                      Quote: Alf
                      And I don't want to look like an idiot in front of someone who will read this request. And in mid-January, I will remind you, do not hope.

                      In my opinion, it is you who wag. There is nothing wrong with asking if you don’t know something. And I asked and I will try to get an answer. And I suggested to you to duplicate the question in your interests. Well, it's only you, the "scoops" are truthful in everything, and people like me are only trying to deceive and rob you, unfortunate people. But since you do not want or are afraid that someone there will think badly of you (although in the archives everyone does not give a shit about asking questions), then okay. Would be asked. If you don't want to, don't.
      2. Woodman
        Woodman 3 December 2020 07: 37
        0
        Quote: kalibr
        He was clearly reading my college textbook

        No, I have not read your textbook. You, at my request, gave me links to your PR articles. I read them. Of the 16 articles, two aroused some interest. Not one really hooked.
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 3 December 2020 07: 44
          +1
          Well, at least something ... Any knowledge is useful in one way or another. Simply, apparently, your life experience and existing knowledge do not require this. When I started to study PR and read about it, I was also surprised: it turned out that I had been doing it all my life, but did not know about it. This can be with you.
    2. Drago
      Drago 3 December 2020 08: 02
      +3
      Colleague Lesnik is naive - he knows nothing about color revolutions.
  • Alf
    Alf 2 December 2020 20: 58
    +7
    Quote: Lesovik
    And the details? Who started the protests? When did they become widespread? Finally, what have the protesters accomplished?

    What do you know about Khabarovsk now? Nothing. Now, no matter how you turn on the zomboyaschik-Ukraine, the elections in the USA, the coronavirus. There is a very tough filter on information about Khabarovsk.
    1. Woodman
      Woodman 3 December 2020 07: 40
      0
      Quote: Alf
      What do you know about Khabarovsk now?

      That is why I ask. I do not hesitate to clarify facts that are not known to me, but it seems that my opponent himself does not know this question ... At least he did not answer me.
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 2 December 2020 13: 41
    +2
    Correct propaganda by the authorities and suppression of riots (without excessive cruelty, but firmly and without lamenting about "human rights") on the part of the security forces - this is enough to prevent popular discontent from escalating into a popular revolt.



    Hehe ..))

    Universal Declaration of Human Rights
    Adopted by resolution 217 A (III) of the UN General Assembly of December 10, 1948

    it is essential that human rights are protected by the rule of law in order to ensure that so that a person is not FORCED to resort, as a last resort, to an uprising against tyranny and oppression;
    1. Woodman
      Woodman 2 December 2020 13: 47
      0
      Quote: Roman070280
      so that a person is not FORCED to resort, as a last resort, to an uprising

      It depends on what is meant by the word "forced" ... After all, everyone can understand it in their own way. And a normal person should have not only "rights" but also "duties".
      1. Roman070280
        Roman070280 2 December 2020 14: 20
        +7
        So a person understands as much as he can ..
        And the authorities responded to him, they say, you misunderstand .. watch TV, they will tell you how well everyone lives ..
        Proper propaganda by the authorities
  • Svarog
    Svarog 2 December 2020 17: 10
    +6
    Quote: Lesovik
    No. People's discontent is not a critical factor.

    Yes .. Nicholas reasoned the same way .. before the execution he probably realized his mistake.
    1. Woodman
      Woodman 3 December 2020 07: 44
      0
      Quote: Svarog
      Yes .. Nicholas reasoned the same way ..

      Nikolai is an example of a weak-willed leader. The war was on the periphery of the Empire, and he allowed the outbreak of riots. Under Stalin, the war came to Moscow, but the alarmists were shot without remorse. Nicholas would have done the same and with a probability of 100% he would not have gone down in history as the LAST Emperor.
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 3 December 2020 19: 00
        0
        And they shot and hung and scattered with whips. The king tightened the nuts until the thread was broken. And tore it off. There is no need to equate the time of "their nobility" with the Soviet period. Identity, but not the same. People fought for the socialist homeland, for equality, human dignity. The estate society did not have a chance to survive. It's ripe.
  • Alf
    Alf 2 December 2020 20: 56
    +5
    Quote: Lesovik
    Correct propaganda from the authorities

    So now the media are just not bursting with propaganda, but the result is exactly the opposite.
    Quote: Lesovik
    suppression of riots

    Without radical changes, the road to nowhere.
    1. Woodman
      Woodman 3 December 2020 07: 47
      0
      Quote: Alf
      So now the media are just not bursting with propaganda, but the result is exactly the opposite.

      There is no color revolution, no mass riots, which means that the work of the media still has an effect. At least terrorists and just bandits are called terrorists and bandits, and not rebels and fighters for independence, as in the first Chechen ...
      Quote: Alf
      Without radical changes, the road to nowhere.

      Change must take place through evolution, not revolution. This is a longer, but correct path.
      1. Alf
        Alf 3 December 2020 19: 01
        +1
        Quote: Lesovik
        Change must take place through evolution, not revolution. This is a longer, but correct path.

        The only question is, will Russia live in its former form to such changes? And the main question is whether these changes are necessary for the ruling regime?
      2. Essex62
        Essex62 3 December 2020 19: 03
        0
        Evolution? Good and how do you imagine it? In another thousand years, will we abolish another serfdom? On this path, the Russian Federation will remain without population. And without settlements.
  • Alf
    Alf 2 December 2020 20: 54
    +3
    Quote: Lesovik
    weak-willed leader at the helm of the state

    Isn't that so now? How many times has a gentleman taken back his word?
    1. Woodman
      Woodman 3 December 2020 07: 49
      -2
      Quote: Alf
      Isn't that so now?

      No, not so.
      1. Alf
        Alf 3 December 2020 18: 54
        0
        Quote: Lesovik
        Quote: Alf
        Isn't that so now?

        No, not so.

        Retirement age...
        Changing the constitution ...
        1. Woodman
          Woodman 4 December 2020 07: 55
          0
          The state will not live on populism alone. Sometimes you have to make unpopular decisions. And the benefit / harm for the state from such decisions most often becomes visible far from the next day after their adoption.
          1. Alf
            Alf 4 December 2020 17: 25
            0
            Quote: Lesovik
            The state will not live on populism alone. Sometimes you have to make unpopular decisions. And the benefit / harm for the state from such decisions most often becomes visible far from the next day after their adoption.

            And in fact there is something to object? Specifically, and not in the spirit of a resident of Ilyinka?
      2. Essex62
        Essex62 3 December 2020 19: 08
        0
        Exactly. Who was terrified of the prospect from the workplace straight into the coffin? Who offered to enter the position?
        Although you are right, here he is firmness and it is necessary to pressurize the scoops so that social justice is not demanded. Let them die out.
  • Arlen
    Arlen 2 December 2020 10: 33
    +10
    The power leading the country to collapse and degradation must go away. The authorities brought the country to a standstill. The authorities continue the work started by the liberals under Yeltsin. The people are becoming impoverished against the background of the "gloss" of capitalism. And the current government is to blame for this.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 2 December 2020 10: 42
      -14%
      Quote: Arlen
      The power leading the country to collapse and degradation must go away.

      What kind of power are you talking about and what are you calling for?
      Do you remember what country was at the beginning of the century and what it has become now?
      Do you remember when the majority in the Duma belonged to the communists and what laws YOU accepted?
      What good did the communists do for the people?
      Where were they when our pension payments were increased?
      Where are the strikes and the blocking of transport arteries, as the most powerful lever of pressure on the bourgeois?

      There are no real actions! One blah, blah, blah .... Have you learned from the clown?
      1. Arlen
        Arlen 2 December 2020 10: 46
        +7
        Quote: Boris55
        What kind of power are you talking about now?

        About the current one.
        Quote: Boris55
        call for this

        To the change of power and political system from capitalist to Soviet.
        Quote: Boris55
        What good did the communists do for the people?

        We still live at the expense of the Soviet Union, which was led by the communists.
        Quote: Boris55
        Where were they when our pension payments were increased?

        Who has a majority in parliament? The answer is simple: supporters of the authorities. And Putin signed an increase in the retirement age.
        Quote: Boris55
        Where are the strikes and the blocking of transport arteries, as the most powerful lever of pressure on the bourgeoisie?

        BB you want to start a civil war in Russia?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 2 December 2020 10: 55
          -5
          Quote: Arlen
          To the change of power and political system from capitalist to Soviet.

          Soviet? Which one: Trotsky-Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev-Brezhnev or Gorbachev-Yelitsin?

          Quote: Arlen
          We still live off the Soviet Union

          Ackte! Since the time of Khrushchev and Yeltsin, especially the latter, nothing has remained of the production of the USSR.



          The Communists-Trotskyists betrayed the Communists, the Bolsheviks back in 1952, when the VKP (b) was renamed into the CPSU, in the abbreviation of which the Bolsheviks were no longer there, soon they were gone and in the party ...

          Quote: Arlen
          Who has a majority in parliament?

          Do you remember when you had an overwhelming majority in the Duma and you could at least make an attempt to change the constitution of 1993, even to Stalin's? belay

          Quote: Arlen
          BB you want to start a civil war in Russia?

          It is you who call for a change of power and discredit it in every possible way, not me.
          1. Arlen
            Arlen 2 December 2020 11: 07
            +5
            Quote: Boris55
            Soviet? Which one: Trotsky-Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev-Brezhnev or Gorbachev-Yelitsin?

            She is one Soviet power.
            Quote: Boris55
            Ackte! Since the time of Khrushchev and Yeltsin, especially the latter, nothing has remained of the production of the USSR.

            Of course there is nothing left, but for some reason, with the collapse of the economy and industry of the times of Yeltsin-Putin, we continue to use the capacities of the Soviet period.
            Quote: Boris55
            You do not remember when you had an overwhelming majority in the Duma

            We supporters of the RKWP and VKPB (now the late Nina Andreeva) have never been a majority in the Duma.
            Quote: Boris55
            on changing the 1993 constitution, even to Stalin's

            Why didn't your Putin change the Constitution to Stalin's? I could, but for some reason limited myself to amendments ... Are the Trotskyists interfering? wink
            Quote: Boris55
            It is you who call for a change of power

            The change of power does not always take place in the context of the Civil War and does not always cause it.
            Quote: Boris55
            discredit her in every way,

            She has discredited herself on several occasions.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 4 December 2020 00: 22
              +1
              "Of course there is nothing left, but for some reason, with the collapse of the economy and industry of the times of Yeltsin-Putin, we continue to use the capacities of the Soviet period." We use frames and buildings of the Soviet period, but we change the capacities, since they are becoming obsolete at a rapid pace. And in general, 90% of all remaining Soviet factories and industries will disappear in the next 20 - 30 years, as well as generating capacities - physical and obsolescence and the development of resources in those places where they were built - therefore, new plants and factories are already being built that meet the requirements compactness environmental friendliness frugality automation of logistics modularity of minimum payback in case of crises - eternal factories do not happen everything needs to be changed and rebuilt.
          2. Roman070280
            Roman070280 2 December 2020 13: 45
            +6
            discredit her in every way


            And how can manure stain ??)
        2. Pavel Vladimirov
          Pavel Vladimirov 2 December 2020 11: 44
          +7
          A civil war is wanted by those who provoke the people to it.
          1. Roman070280
            Roman070280 2 December 2020 13: 46
            +3
            They want a civil war those who provoke the people on her.


            Universal Declaration of Human Rights
            Adopted by resolution 217 A (III) of the UN General Assembly of December 10, 1948
            it is essential that human rights are protected by the rule of law in order to ensure that so that a person is not forced to resort, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression;
        3. Alf
          Alf 2 December 2020 21: 04
          +5
          Quote: Arlen
          Who has a majority in parliament? The answer is simple: supporters of the authorities.

      2. WIKI
        WIKI 2 December 2020 12: 08
        +5
        Quote: Boris55
        Do you remember what country was at the beginning of the century and what it has become now?

        Well, something like this has changed our life, regardless of personalities.
        Quote: Boris55
        What good did the communists do for the people?

        The only time there was a real opportunity to do something under the Primakov-Maslyukov government. The 1998 "anti-crisis" government showed a simple example of achieving stabilization, ensuring industrial growth at a rate of more than 2% per month and a threefold decrease in inflation.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 4 December 2020 00: 25
          -1
          Today, oil and gas revenues have returned to the indicators of 2004, and the share of oil and gas production in the total economy amounted to 19%, it can be argued that they got off the needle.
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 4 December 2020 11: 06
            0
            According to the Accounting Chamber, this share was 29,3% in the first half of 2020 and decreased by 2019 percentage points compared to the same period in 13,9. That is, in 2019 it was 43,1%. The decline occurred not because something had changed in the economy, but because the price of oil fell corny. https://ria.ru/20200820/1576013144.html
    2. solzh
      solzh 12 December 2020 02: 51
      +26
      Capitalism is inherently unfair, besides, the concentration of power and wealth reaches such proportions when this injustice becomes egregious, and the actions of the “chosen ones” are dangerous for people. Development slows down and sometimes stops altogether. One crisis replaces another. Wars, famine, epidemics are not eradicated, but become the usual surroundings of human existence.
  • Kronos
    Kronos 2 December 2020 10: 46
    +2
    Which ones?
  • Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 2 December 2020 11: 02
    +8
    Quote: Boris55
    Look at the contingent on our website - half of them almost openly call for the overthrow of Putin i.e. to a change of power, to a revolution, thereby trying to fulfill the dream of the West - to blow up Russia from the inside, lower it below the plinth and tear it apart. Neither you nor them will succeed. Russia was, is and will be!

    Boris, Bravo! You troll the trolls! wassat
  • tatra
    tatra 2 December 2020 11: 33
    +3
    In fact, you, the enemies of the communists, all 103 years after the October Revolution by what you did, said and wrote, including on VO, proved that you believed that you had every right to organize a counter-revolution in Soviet Russia / USSR , and the fact that the communists repressed you for this, you declared the communists' crimes. So that you are not "indignant".
    1. Merry_Militarist
      Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 12: 01
      -7
      Oh, I beg you, cool off your ardent "Komsomol member", where was your agility in 91?
      You push speeches, just like at a Komsomol meeting, only you don't get to the point.
      1. tatra
        tatra 2 December 2020 12: 06
        +7
        If you are unable to refute my words in any way - do not answer. I don't need your flood. The enemies of the communists have a mental inclination to stupid, senseless malice and criticism.
        1. evgen1221
          evgen1221 2 December 2020 20: 43
          +1
          Dear Tatra- the snag in the current Communists of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation in the State Dura is that there are no communists. There are opportunists and chameleons, demogogues and populists, careerists and tezhe snatchers for free money and power, Just under the wing of a large group and with a good crowd (electorate) , which will vote for them in any scenario, out of inertia and memory, naively personifying them with the communists of the Soviet model. Zhirinovsky honestly said, I created a party to make money, who pays for that in bulk and vote. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation does the same thing but hesitates to say.
    2. Lord_Bran
      Lord_Bran 2 December 2020 12: 04
      +5
      According to your words, the communists had no right to organize a revolution in 1917. This is the logic in your words.
      Whoever won is a fine fellow. It has always been, is and will be.
      1. saigon
        saigon 2 December 2020 12: 50
        +3
        Well, the revolution was perpetrated in 1917, after all, not by the communists, but by the faithful servants of the Tsar, fathers who were fed and treated kindly. The scoundrels betrayed the sovereign and pushed the country into confusion, and only then did the Bolsheviks appear.
  • WIKI
    WIKI 2 December 2020 11: 54
    0
    Quote: Boris55
    half almost openly call for the overthrow of Putin, i.e. to a change of power, to a revolution, thereby trying to fulfill the dream of the West - to blow up Russia from the inside, to lower it below the plinth

    This is exactly what Yeltsin did in 1991.
    1. Merry_Militarist
      Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 12: 11
      +1
      If the authorities do not take into account the opinion of the people, and the expensive GDP has already outlived Brezhnev, then excuse me ... there will be revolution and excitement, regardless of the dreams of the "conditional West", the narrow-mindedness of one Chekist leads to this.
      Second, what can the current leadership offer to young citizens? We have already seen the old people - the predatory pension reform.
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 2 December 2020 20: 46
        -1
        Cheerful militarist. -And many people do not have a pension in principle, but with the obligatory payment of taxes to the treasury (I'm talking about the self-employed, if anything).
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 2 December 2020 13: 52
    +3
    Look at contingent on our website - half almost open calls for the overthrow of Putin those. to a change of power, to a revolution, thereby trying fulfill the dream of the west -



    Everything is clear .. Putin is good .. and the contingent itself should be blamed for all his bullying of the people ..))

    PS .. Actually, in Belarus, too, only the small-town king is innocent of anything .. and heroically opposes all enemies .. but the people are eager to fulfill the dreams of the West.,))
  • Alf
    Alf 2 December 2020 20: 52
    +3
    Quote: Boris55
    half almost openly call for the overthrow of Putin, i.e. to a change of power, to a revolution, thereby trying to fulfill the dream of the West - to blow up Russia from the inside, lower it below the plinth and tear it apart. Neither you nor them will succeed. Russia was, is and will be!

    The pro-Putin Russia will not exist for long, the safety margin of the system is about zero, and the "knee lifter" has not built another system ...
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 2 December 2020 10: 25
    +17
    People go to the streets around the world ꟷ France, Germany, Poland, Bulgaria, Latin America. Unrest in Georgia and Armenia.
    In India, the largest protests have taken place recently. They write about 200 million, it is strange that they write little about it. Or are the flags wrong ?!
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 2 December 2020 10: 26
    +9
    Moscow's strategy to integrate the Russian Federation into Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok was initially flawed.

    Europe and the states never considered Russia Europe. Beginning with the creation of the Russian kingdom, they are doing everything to tear Russia to pieces, so that the word Russia disappears from the maps and the world lexicon. Since 1905, the struggle has been going on for the survival of the country and its people. In 1991 they succeeded, but not completely. Now Russia is tormented by capitalism, an external and internal enemy.
    1. Alf
      Alf 2 December 2020 21: 09
      +3
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Now Russia is tormented by capitalism, an external and internal enemy.

      Internal is much more.
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 2 December 2020 10: 26
    0
    A window of opportunity should be seen in the global near-cloud crisis and in the coronavirus "pandemic".

    Mobilization of the economy with a revision of the results of privatization and nationalization

    Nationalize the elite. All gentlemen with dual citizenship, capital and property abroad should be deprived of their positions

    There are interesting questions here.
    Why should those who make decisions in our country today, any kind of Russia, if it does not belong to them, will not bring them profit? If they cannot, squeezing the juices out of that Russia, attach their children and their own carcass to the "civilized" Western countries? Why do they need it then, that Russia?
  • Arlen
    Arlen 2 December 2020 10: 29
    +5
    Navalny is already ready for the new February revolution in Russia in Germany

    The authorities will make a knight's move, will begin to spin Demin as opposed to the Western protege. In this situation, the communists of Russia have only one way out, to put forward their leader in opposition to the supporters of "flimsy capitalism" and to strengthen the promotion of their ideas. It's time for the communists to remember their past and go to the people, and not play the role of "serious uncles and aunts."
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 2 December 2020 10: 34
      -5
      Quote: Arlen
      In this situation, the communists of Russia have only one way out, to put forward, in opposition to the supporters of "flimsy capitalism", their Leader

      Grudinin? laughing

      What have you been doing all this time? Where is your weekly Iskra (leaflets) in every mailbox? Do you remember the people just before the elections? Tired of it! The people will not follow you. You have completely discredited yourself!
      1. Arlen
        Arlen 2 December 2020 10: 41
        0
        Are you all trying to joke? Forget sternin. He has nothing to do with us.
        Quote: Boris55
        I'm sick

        I agree, people like you, supporters of the authorities, who have led the country to a standstill, destroyed medicine and education, are really tired! You need to be driven out of the country, as my great-grandfathers drove out the Old Regime people in their time.
        Quote: Boris55
        The people will not follow you

        The people follow us. It is your government that is doing everything so that the communists do not gain the majority in the elections. As an example, the elections this year in my city of Ulyanovsk.
        Quote: Boris55
        You have completely discredited yourself!

        We are far from you and your power.
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 2 December 2020 10: 58
        +3
        Quote: Boris55
        Do you remember the people just before the elections? Tired of it! The people will not follow you. You have completely discredited yourself!

        Are you talking about Putin and Edro? Commendable, Boris! good
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 2 December 2020 11: 01
          -16%
          Quote: Stroporez
          Are you talking about Putin and Edro?

          When Putin created United Russia in 2001, they were all people. Today Putin is not its chairman (if you have forgotten, then the chairman of the United Russia Party, Medvedev), nor its member. Putin refused the services of the EP in 2012.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 2 December 2020 11: 09
            +5
            Quote: Boris55
            Putin refused the services of the EP in 2012.

            laughing A-ha-ha! And he also refused the services of the Wrotenbergs, Timchens and Shamalovs?
            Come on, Boris, burn, make people laugh! laughing
          2. Alf
            Alf 2 December 2020 21: 12
            +4
            Quote: Boris55
            Putin refused the services of the EP in 2012.

            In the elections of 18, Putin became an impostor, guilty, self-nominated. As soon as it became known, United Russia officially announced that it would support Putin. For some reason, Putin did not refuse such support ...
      3. tatra
        tatra 2 December 2020 11: 41
        0
        Before the last "elections" of your benefactor Putin, the enemies of the communists, the "leftists" did everything right and normally - united, created their own Program for Russia, nominated their own candidate, and YOU arranged a large-scale HURTING this candidate, with your eternal anger, rudeness, insults, slander, not allowing people to even discuss the program of the "left". Here is your vaunted "democracy".
        1. Lord_Bran
          Lord_Bran 2 December 2020 12: 00
          0
          There are no communists - there is nothing to discuss. They ended in 91. Basta.
          And this candidate is the same communist as me - a combat helicopter.
          1. tatra
            tatra 2 December 2020 12: 03
            -1
            Ha, the enemies of the communists and communists do not have, and they do not themselves either. All of you have nothing to do with what you did in the Soviet period, after you captured the USSR, and you are responsible for your capture and dismemberment of the USSR.
          2. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 2 December 2020 12: 18
            +4
            Quote: Lord_Bran
            They ended in 91. Basta.

            Communists will not end as long as there is social inequality fellow
          3. Arlen
            Arlen 3 December 2020 01: 43
            +2
            Quote: Lord_Bran
            There are no communists - there is nothing to discuss.

            laughing
            Quote: Lord_Bran
            They ended in 91.

            You are wrong. We were, are and will be.
    2. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 2 December 2020 10: 58
      +4
      There are too many communists and too many pro-communists ... But it should be: "The party is a million-fingered hand clenched into one crushing fist. One is nonsense, one is zero, one - even if very important - will not lift a simple five-barrel log, especially a five-story house ."(from)
      1. Arlen
        Arlen 2 December 2020 11: 11
        +3
        Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
        There are too many communists and too many communists

        Not all communists are. Some have only names from the communists. I have always adhered to the RKRP, VKPB and Rot-Front (now liquidated, this year, by the government)
        1. Daniil Konovalenko
          Daniil Konovalenko 2 December 2020 11: 35
          0
          adhered to the RCWP, VKPB
          again a lot .. why two, and not one ..? what are the differences? ..
          1. Arlen
            Arlen 3 December 2020 01: 38
            +1
            Let's just say the difference is in the approach to certain issues.
            In advocating the unification of the communists, the AUCPB proceeds from the premise that this union should not have a formal, top-down character. From the unity of action of the parties and organizations that have arisen on the ruins of the CPSU, it is necessary to go to the unity of their political courses and further - to a single Marxist-Leninist party of the working class or - to organizational unification. The strength of the communists lies not only in their unity, but also in their irreconcilability towards opportunism.
            In general, the parties are uniting. For example, the RCWP in 2019 merged with the OKP.
            There is a Coordination Council of the communist parties and organizations of Russia on the issues of unification.
        2. tatra
          tatra 2 December 2020 11: 47
          +1
          Let's discuss not what was, but what is. You shouldn't have kicked Grudinin. The enemies of the communists have themselves proved who they fear. And having arranged a large-scale persecution and robbery of Grudinin for being one of the candidates in the 2018 presidential elections, they themselves proved that they recognized Grudinin as Putin's real rivals.
          1. Daniil Konovalenko
            Daniil Konovalenko 2 December 2020 11: 55
            +2
            You kicked Grudinin in vain
            .. "One is nonsense, one is zero, one - even if very important - will not lift a simple five-shaft log, especially a five-story house" (c)
            1. tatra
              tatra 2 December 2020 12: 01
              0
              And what is the reason that the enemies of the communists rushed to hound Grudinin even before the presidential elections? And in the fact that they saw a sharply growing popularity of Grudinin among the patriots of Russia. Here is a candidate from the Communists of Russia party, and the patriots and enemies of the Communists have not even noticed.
              1. Daniil Konovalenko
                Daniil Konovalenko 2 December 2020 12: 19
                0
                even before the presidential elections rushed to persecute Grudinin?
                But because "One is nonsense, one is zero, one - even if very important - will not lift a simple five-shaft log, especially a five-story house" (c)
          2. Arlen
            Arlen 3 December 2020 01: 39
            0
            Do you mean my comment to Boris55? Namely, this line: Forget sternin. He has nothing to do with us. I can explain. I was against nominating him as a presidential candidate. On the Internet, before the election of a presidential candidate in Russia, primaries were held by the bloc of the Left and National Patriotic Forces, in which candidates Grudinin and Boldyrev passed to the second round, I personally voted for Rashkin in the first round. I initially considered Grudinin's candidacy to be a losing one, since a) He is little known, b) He was a member of United Russia, c) He is a businessman. It was our mistake to bet on him. In 2007, Grudinin became a member of the Moscow Regional Duma from United Russia. Yes, he left it in 2010, but ... For me personally, this is not good. But this is already a passed stage. You can say - history. You need to move in front.
        3. Fat
          Fat 2 December 2020 21: 32
          0
          I would have disbanded the same Rotfront just for one name. "Union of Red Front Fighters" (Roter Frontkämpferbund) A left-wing radical organization of militants.
          1. Arlen
            Arlen 3 December 2020 01: 40
            +1
            In this case, they did not guess.
            ROT Front - Russian United Labor Front. ROT Front was established in 2010. It was founded by Viktor Tyulkin (RKRP) and Sergei Udaltsov (Left Front). It included the RKWP, the Left Front, the Iskra Communist Organization, as well as a number of trade union organizations.
        4. solzh
          solzh 12 December 2020 02: 43
          +26
          That's for sure. You listen to some and think, but he is definitely a communist, maybe he is not a communist at all, but a liberal ...
    3. dauria
      dauria 2 December 2020 11: 23
      +7
      It's time for the communists to remember their past and go to the people,


      Amused ... The communists have too colorful past. And by the way, they have not gone anywhere. They sit in the Duma, the government, the oligarchs, even the president is a communist. All, all former members of the CPSU. With the exception of their grown-up children, they simply did not have time to join the Communist Party until 90.
      Maybe enough to step on a rake? One devil will end up with the party elite, loyal "Leninists" with a rotten gut as opportunistic crawlers.
      We don't even have trade unions. They go on strike in the snickering Finland, but we don't. In a normal country there should be a fight between the parties without the possibility of winning any of them. As in the body - the brains say "I want vodka", and the liver says, "Enough, or we'll both die." Even the Chinese will very soon face this, they will not go anywhere.
      1. Daniil Konovalenko