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Rostec announced the start date of state tests of the small-sized machine AM-17 "Malysh"

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Rostec announced the start date of state tests of the small-sized machine AM-17 "Malysh"

The new small-sized machine gun AM-17, developed as part of the Malysh R&D project, will enter the state testing stage in 2021. About this in an interview with RIA News said Bekkhan Ozdoev, industrial director of the weapons complex of the state corporation "Rostec".


According to Ozdoev, preliminary tests of the AM-17 machine have been completed, and prototypes of the machine are being manufactured, which will participate in state tests. The development was ordered by the Ministry of Defense, but the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Russian Guard have already expressed interest in the machine.

The preliminary tests of the machine have already been completed, they were successful. We plan to transfer the AM-17 for state tests next year. I note that the tactical and technical assignment was approved by the Ministry of Defense, but the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Russian Guard also showed interest in this development.

- he added.

For our part, we note that, most likely, we are talking about two assault rifles at once: the AM-17 itself chambered for 5,45X39 and its modification AMB-17 chambered for 9X39.

Small-sized automatic machines AM-17 and AMB-17 were developed by the Kalashnikov concern to replace the outdated AKS-74U and AS Val.

The total length of the AM-17 assault rifle is 740 mm, the barrel length is 230 mm. The cartridge used is 5,45X39 mm, the magazine holds 30 rounds. The telescopic stock folds to the right, the fire mode switches are located on both sides of the machine. The cocking handle can be located on both the right and left sides weapons... There is a Picatinny rail that allows you to install various sights and lights on the weapon. AM-17 weight - 2,5 kg.

The small-sized silent machine AMB-17 as a whole repeats the design of the "basic" AM-17, but has a number of characteristic differences. AMB-17 received a modified barrel with an integrated silencer. The cartridge used is 9X39 mm. Magazine for 20 and 30 rounds.
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  1. Thrall
    Thrall 27 November 2020 11: 25
    -3
    The kid is good, but I would also like more Karlsson (UAV) in the troops smile
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 27 November 2020 11: 49
      -31%
      Quote: Thrall
      The kid is good, but I would also like more Karlsson (UAV) in the troops

      And where does the troops? This is for the police and the National Guard. The troops will wait, the "internal enemy" is apparently more important.
      1. Dmitry Makarov
        Dmitry Makarov 27 November 2020 12: 07
        +7
        The AM-17 assault rifle is being created for the pilots of the Aerospace Forces and the crews of Russian tanks, these guys work on the outer lines.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 27 November 2020 12: 11
          -27%
          Quote: Dmitry Makarov
          The AM-17 assault rifle is being created for the pilots of the Aerospace Forces and the crews of Russian tanks, these guys work on the outer lines.

          From the article "the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Russian Guard have already expressed interest in the machine gun," the army needs something more powerful. This "pukalka" is good only to disperse demonstrations.
          1. Dmitry Makarov
            Dmitry Makarov 27 November 2020 12: 18
            +16
            The Ministry of Internal Affairs is also armed with AKSU-74, it is logical that they will be replaced by the AM-17, which is being developed in the interests of the Russian Ministry of Defense.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 27 November 2020 12: 22
              -21%
              Quote: Dmitry Makarov
              which is being developed in the interests of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

              MO money has nowhere to go? Does the MO have more important developments? The same drones, for example.
              Are there few good projects without sufficient funding?
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 27 November 2020 14: 26
                +5
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                MO money has nowhere to go? Does the MO have more important developments? The same drones, for example.

                On the Hansa, they wrote that this is an "echo of Syria" - the VKS needed a compact machine gun, which the pilot could have with him at the time of landing ("Ksenia" is attached to the seat).
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 27 November 2020 14: 43
                  -4
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  On the Hansa, they wrote that this is an "echo of Syria" - the VKS needed a compact machine gun, which the pilot could have with him at the time of landing ("Ksenia" is attached to the seat).

                  Maybe so, Hansa is a serious resource. As for me, I look very suspiciously at all these "reproaches", for the cops, yes, but to fight some sort of fight with him, well, I don't know. For the crews, I don’t know what the AKS type is.
                  1. Piramidon
                    Piramidon 27 November 2020 20: 51
                    +2
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    For the crews, I don’t know what the AKS type is.

                    In the meantime, mostly PM.
                2. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 27 November 2020 15: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  MO money has nowhere to go? Does the MO have more important developments? The same drones, for example.

                  On the Hansa, they wrote that this is an "echo of Syria" - the VKS needed a compact machine gun, which the pilot could have with him at the time of landing ("Ksenia" is attached to the seat).

                  Is this more compact than AKSU? In my opinion, even a little longer. And then, AKSU is perfectly attached to the suspension.
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 27 November 2020 17: 34
                    +4
                    Do you like AKSU?
            2. Alexander Vorontsov
              Alexander Vorontsov 28 November 2020 19: 51
              -2
              Quote: Dmitry Makarov
              The Ministry of Internal Affairs is also armed with AKSU-74, it is logical that they will be replaced by the AM-17, which is being developed in the interests of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

              What is logical?
              It's absurd - 5,45 for a 230 mm barrel.
              Barrels for 300 mm are already making pistol cartridges.
            3. storm
              storm 28 November 2020 23: 43
              0
              And is there any point in changing, those employees of the special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs who often shoot 3-4 barrels for a long time have, and "gaytsy" and PM chops with AKSU for the eyes 50 years ahead, their main weapon is a rod and a whistle ...
          2. koramax81
            koramax81 27 November 2020 21: 15
            +9
            Can you recall when our demonstrators were dispersed from firearms? In 1905? Well, yes, well, yes, quite recently it was ...
            Or do you write about your "democratic" countries?
          3. Sasha Minakov
            Sasha Minakov 27 November 2020 22: 27
            0
            Damn how many idiots there are in the country ...
        2. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 27 November 2020 15: 24
          +1
          Since 2009, Russia has AK-9
          AK-9
          Not serially produced. Why AMB-17 ...
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 27 November 2020 17: 36
            +3
            Then, the attachment of sights to the AMB-17 is fundamentally more convenient and reliable. Have not considered?
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 27 November 2020 18: 15
              -4
              Quote: Alex777
              Then, the attachment of sights to the AMB-17 is fundamentally more convenient and reliable. Have not considered?

              oh well, the dovetail is more convenient and, most importantly, after cleaning, there is no need to make corrections on a new one (since it is not the callimator that is dismantled, but full-fledged optics of the PSO-1M2-1 type) ...
              1. Recon
                Recon 27 November 2020 18: 58
                +2
                oh well, the dovetail is more convenient and, most importantly, after cleaning, there is no need to make corrections on a new one (since it is not the callimator that is dismantled, but full-fledged optics of the PSO-1M2-1 type) ...
                You don't need to dismantle anything there, Bad_gr has laid out a graphical diagram for you.
          2. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 27 November 2020 18: 33
            +3
            Quote: cat Rusich
            Why AMB-17 ...

            Apparently more promising.
            It is made on the basis of the Dragunov assault rifle (MA). This one:
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 27 November 2020 19: 13
              0
              Much more promising.
              And performed by AMB-17. And like a microwave.
            2. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 27 November 2020 20: 59
              +1
              Quote: Bad_gr
              It is made on the basis of the Dragunov assault rifle (MA)

              "....... But the most common arrangement of domestic weapons, when the moving parts are located in a box closed on top with a detachable cover, does not allow making the body part unreinforced .......
              ...... In order to get a full-fledged body part, Evgeny Fedorovich applied the original layout. The upper part of the structure consists of a barrel with a low receiver, in which a bolt with a bolt carrier is suspended. A plastic stock is pivotally attached to the front insert of the receiver, in which the shock release mechanism is located. ..... " https://www.kalashnikov.ru/medialibrary/c1d/26_30.pdf
              That is, unlike Kalash, there is an opportunity for further weight reduction and more technological production (production of parts of the machine from plastic)
          3. Recon
            Recon 27 November 2020 18: 51
            +4
            Why AMB-17 ...

            Because it is a completely different platform.
        3. TulaTokarev
          TulaTokarev 27 November 2020 21: 22
          -5
          And how will this assault rifle help the shot down pilot of the Aerospace Forces on these outer lines? More precisely, beyond these boundaries? The pilot will take a perimeter defense and hold out for a day, firing back at hundreds of bearded men?
          1. Recon
            Recon 27 November 2020 21: 42
            +1
            Quote: TulaTokarev
            And how will this assault rifle help the shot down pilot of the Aerospace Forces on these outer lines? More precisely, beyond these boundaries? The pilot will take a perimeter defense and hold out for a day, firing back at hundreds of bearded men?

            Following your logic, he is not like a weapon - and rations, and so on in the plane should not be put, still no sense.
          2. Sasha Minakov
            Sasha Minakov 27 November 2020 22: 31
            +1
            what's the bottom ..... Who will save this site? Urgent nuclear bomb for every pilot !!!!!!!!!!
      2. K-612-O
        K-612-O 27 November 2020 12: 10
        +4
        By order of the MO? Skip not valid
        1. BDRM 667
          BDRM 667 27 November 2020 13: 04
          +7
          The total length of the AM-17 assault rifle is 740 mm, the barrel length is 230 mm.

          Without any thought, just a statement of the actual parameters in comparison:

          AM-17, barrel length 230mm, which demonstrates relatively "full-size" AK-74 with a barrel length of 415mm, "loss" 185 mm.
          Relative to the AKS-74U, with a barrel length of 206,5 mm, the "gain" is 23,5 mm, which should have a positive effect on the accuracy and range of a direct shot of the new model.
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        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 27 November 2020 13: 21
          -4
          Quote: sgrabik
          Woodpecker, you know how to read Russian, it says in black and white for people like you idiots that the development of AM-17 was ordered by the Ministry of Defense, and the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the National Guard have only shown interest in it !!!

          Drink haloperidol, hamlo, maybe let it.
      4. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 27 November 2020 14: 16
        +8
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        And where does the troops? This is for the police and the National Guard. The troops will wait, the "internal enemy" is apparently more important.

        We read carefully:
        Development ordered by the Ministry of Defense, but interest in the machine has already been expressed by the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Russian Guard.

        That is, the AM-17 was originally made by order of the MO. And only when it became clear that the Kalashnikovites had succeeded, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the RG also decided to join.
        Why is MO "shortened"? Yes, at least for the crews:
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 27 November 2020 14: 22
          -5
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Why is MO "shortened"? Yes, at least for the crews

          In my opinion, the money spent on the development of the next "shortcut" could be spent more profitably. Especially in the current conditions, when the military budget is endlessly cut.
          1. Recon
            Recon 27 November 2020 18: 57
            +6
            In my opinion, the money spent on the development of the next "shortcut" could be spent more profitably. Especially in the current conditions, when the military budget is endlessly cut.

            Not that huge budgets have been spent there, these are small arms, not ICBMs or a strategic missile carrier. A fire monitor is used, and not only in this "stub", a whole weapon platform is being developed. And it is very, very ahead of the AK scheme.
          2. Nosgoth
            Nosgoth 1 December 2020 17: 41
            0
            Thank God that everyone is indifferent to your opinion (judging by the number of dislikes given by your nonsense).
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    2. Andrey Ostroushko
      Andrey Ostroushko 28 November 2020 14: 51
      0
      Why, their carrying capacity is small, and the remote control is not difficult to "cut off".
  2. deniso
    deniso 27 November 2020 11: 32
    -43%
    How we lagged behind the West! Judging by the designs presented, they had this weapon 10-15 years ago.
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r 27 November 2020 11: 37
      +23
      Design for parades and girls, the main performance characteristics and ease of use.
      1. Recon
        Recon 27 November 2020 21: 44
        +4
        Design for parades and girls

        It is precisely said that the weapon has ergonomics and performance characteristics, and the rest, to put it mildly, is secondary.
        1. Alexander Vorontsov
          Alexander Vorontsov 28 November 2020 19: 58
          0
          Quote: Recon
          It is precisely said that the weapon has ergonomics and performance characteristics, and the rest, to put it mildly, is secondary.

          Many people misunderstand the word "design".
          Design is not so much about how it looks, but about how it "interacts" with it. including the ergonomics you mentioned.
    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 27 November 2020 12: 59
      -1
      Yes, you need a semblance of XM 8 or Scar, or even XM 29, which is true they are not visible on the hands, some similarities of the wretched ancient m 4 m 16 in design.
      1. Recon
        Recon 27 November 2020 21: 49
        0
        Quote: Incvizitor
        Yes, you need a semblance of XM 8 or Scar, or even XM 29, which is true they are not visible on the hands, some similarities of the wretched ancient m 4 m 16 in design.


        Maybe it's because they are happy with HK 416/17 and SCAR? Yes, regarding the m4 and the AR platform in general: I myself fired a lot both from sports ARCs and from all kinds of bushmasters - I can't say anything bad, there was not a single delay, a normal weapon. The forum has users with experience in real combat use - also positive reviews. What is wrong with her, in your opinion?
  3. alex aircraft
    alex aircraft 27 November 2020 11: 33
    +10
    And why is Val obsolete? And there is also Ma Whirlwind and 9a91 under the same patron. Why rivet again that has no analogue in the world? Our plans are huge and the budget is bottomless?
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 27 November 2020 11: 44
      +1
      Demand justifies the cost. And in this regard, it does not matter how many interesting machines 5 or 25 will be produced in our country. lol
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 27 November 2020 15: 51
        +2
        Quote: bessmertniy
        Demand justifies the cost. And in this regard, it does not matter how many interesting machines 5 or 25 will be produced in our country. lol

        Is it the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the RG - demand? It's funny.
    2. La Peruse
      La Peruse 27 November 2020 11: 48
      -21%
      The budget needs to be cut ... Someone else does not have a yacht. So they mold all sorts of shnyaga
      1. Sasha Minakov
        Sasha Minakov 27 November 2020 22: 33
        0
        question to the admins. How many more ........... will lie on the site?) This cock is tired.
    3. K-612-O
      K-612-O 27 November 2020 11: 57
      +6
      The shaft is all the same too big, but for specialists compactness is important. And the usual option is badly needed by the pilots and crews of BT.
  4. Avior
    Avior 27 November 2020 11: 34
    +1
    Tankers and pilots should have been interested in a suitable self-defense weapon for them.
    Unless, of course, this is an AKS-74U with a new cover.
    1. La Peruse
      La Peruse 27 November 2020 11: 51
      -17%
      Cypress, Cedar. The fig is still something to invent? Yes they are under the PM cartridge who prevents to remake ?!
      1. Avior
        Avior 27 November 2020 11: 52
        +2
        Redo to 5,45?
        I think this is unrealistic, very different cartridges
        1. La Peruse
          La Peruse 27 November 2020 11: 54
          -15%
          Cedar under 9x39 modification was. And this is much more powerful than 5x45
          1. Avior
            Avior 27 November 2020 11: 59
            +3
            5,45X39 mm
            From 9 * 18 PM you cannot change.
            1. La Peruse
              La Peruse 27 November 2020 12: 04
              -13%
              Redo it, there would be a desire. Unfortunately there is no desire. There is only a desire to cut. It is worth remembering the epic with pistols! As the PM was the main one, it remained! I am generally silent about Kalash. Nothing new, we replaced the wood with plastic and finally screwed on the standard strips for the devices. Otherwise, there are no changes. But we extol it as an Uber weapon. The straightened facade turned out with this AK-12
          2. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 27 November 2020 13: 06
            -4
            If they remake the old pp under 9x39 recoil, I think it will be fierce.
            1. La Peruse
              La Peruse 27 November 2020 13: 13
              -3
              These are low-impulse sound cartridges. There the return is much less.
              P. S. Lord minusers !!! Is there something objective to say on the topic? If not, then run to the training ground to shoot sp5
              1. polar fox
                polar fox 27 November 2020 16: 07
                0
                Quote: La Peruse
                There the return is much less.

                minus, go for grammar)))
                1. Recon
                  Recon 27 November 2020 21: 54
                  0
                  Quote: polar fox
                  minus, go for grammar)))

                  If you talk about grammar, then you don't need a comma here)
            2. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 27 November 2020 19: 55
              +2
              Quote: Incvizitor
              If they remake the old pp under 9x39 recoil, I think it will be fierce.

              Cartridge 5,45 × 39 mm
              Bullet energy, J ------ 1143 ... 1528

              Cartridge 9 × 39 mm
              Bullet energy, J ------- 677 (SP-5)
              ------------------------------- 754 (SP-6)
    2. deniso
      deniso 27 November 2020 11: 54
      +5
      Now the flight crew performing combat missions is armed with an automatic Stechkin pistol and an AKS-74u assault rifle as part of the NAZ-7mb, under the profiled cover of the ejection seat.
      1. Avior
        Avior 27 November 2020 12: 00
        +7
        With this problem, he does not fit in there.
        The weapon must be with you again.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 27 November 2020 15: 09
          +3
          The weapon must be with you again.

          This is the key phrase, I completely agree with you.
        2. Doliva63
          Doliva63 27 November 2020 16: 00
          +2
          Quote: Avior
          With this problem, he does not fit in there.
          The weapon must be with you again.

          So this one is longer than the AKS-74U. Better to interfere with this, in your opinion?
          1. Avior
            Avior 27 November 2020 16: 17
            0
            I did not write about this
            AKS-74u does not fit well
            They made a special holster for helicopter pilots, they had them on their side with them, but for fighters this is a big problem.
            The main weapon, in my opinion, when landing should be with you, at least nz-communication, food
            1. Note
              Note 28 November 2020 16: 54
              +2
              How do you imagine when ejecting a weapon with a connection, nz? What overloads are there. Yes, the pilots have nothing with them only for two reasons. The first cockpit of the aircraft is a very limited space in which it is still necessary to reach all the levers and other controls. Overloads of several g, which already cause micro-trauma, and if something is also fixed hard and heavy on the suit .. Well, in case of emergency leaving, all those items that you think are on the pilot will simply kill him. Therefore, the whole name is in the chair. And the pilot gets it after landing. If you're lucky.
              1. Avior
                Avior 28 November 2020 21: 57
                +1
                Roman Filipov fired back from the APS, which was with him.
                I read that I did not manage to get the AKS-74u
              2. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 30 November 2020 17: 05
                +2
                Quote: Note
                when ejecting weapons with you ...

                Those who graduated from Afghan came to our school: so they shared that, despite the inconvenience, the shorty was shoved under the hanging one, so that he was first of all at hand. I don’t know what they are doing now ... I’ll ask when we meet
            2. Note
              Note 28 November 2020 16: 57
              +1
              How can he get in badly with ax74? There is a regular place for him precisely calculated. And four more stores in the same place.
              1. Avior
                Avior 28 November 2020 21: 50
                +1
                It seems to be semi-handicraft finalizing to fit.
            3. Doliva63
              Doliva63 28 November 2020 17: 51
              0
              Quote: Avior
              I did not write about this
              AKS-74u does not fit well
              They made a special holster for helicopter pilots, they had them on their side with them, but for fighters this is a big problem.
              The main weapon, in my opinion, when landing should be with you, at least nz-communication, food

              How can you have it with you if you do not attach it to a suspended one, as in the Airborne Forces, for example? If without a store (in your pocket), nothing seems to be in the way. I, however, do not remember the details of the suspended PSU (so, it seems, was called).
              1. Avior
                Avior 28 November 2020 23: 02
                +1
                It?



                In the lower photos, the helicopter pilots have a different, hard
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 29 November 2020 18: 48
                  0
                  Quote: Avior
                  It?



                  In the lower photos, the helicopter pilots have a different, hard

                  No. We had another holster for carrying without a magazine under the left armpit, allowing for quick removal. And during jumps, the machine gun was most often attached to a suspension on the chest diagonally under the spare wheel. Why doesn't the pilot hang like that? It seems that nothing interferes with manipulations with cabin fittings.
    3. K-612-O
      K-612-O 27 November 2020 12: 07
      +3
      No, here the principle of operation of automation is slightly different. 3 lugs, short gas piston. Due to which it is both lighter and faster. And of course plastic.
      1. Avior
        Avior 27 November 2020 12: 13
        0
        I'm afraid everything will run into the fact that the 5,45 cartridge is too powerful for a short barrel.
        1. K-612-O
          K-612-O 27 November 2020 12: 22
          +3
          Watch the video of the shooting, the machine works
        2. garri-lin
          garri-lin 27 November 2020 20: 37
          0
          9 × 21? 7,62 × 25? The first one seems to have already gone to the troops. For a pistol.
  5. deniso
    deniso 27 November 2020 11: 35
    -8
    Such "short-barrels" are an outdated and not very promising concept. The problem with the AKS-74U and the like is that the barrel length does not match the characteristics of intermediate low-impulse cartridges (overcharge, light bullet, as a result, a small destructive force and mediocre accuracy). The only advantage is the unification of ammunition. Further development (rather even a new concept) was an increase in caliber and a decrease in charge.
    1. La Peruse
      La Peruse 27 November 2020 11: 53
      -13%
      I wrote above ... PP Cypress, Cedar, instead of 9x18, remake it for a different cartridge and that's it
    2. Avior
      Avior 27 November 2020 11: 54
      0
      There is also a second direction - caliber reduction
      1. La Peruse
        La Peruse 27 November 2020 12: 10
        -5
        We have problems with caliber reduction ... Gunpowder !!! Unfortunately, we both lagged behind and are lagging behind.
    3. K-612-O
      K-612-O 27 November 2020 12: 17
      +5
      It is evident, who can only saw such machines and FN and HK and Colt and ZZ, they probably do not catch up with something. Only recently, the same machines appeared under 4,5 and 6,35 mm
    4. Yves762
      Yves762 27 November 2020 12: 18
      +1
      Quote: denis obuckov
      Further development (rather even a new concept) was an increase in caliber and a decrease in charge
      - nothing new, because we will get back submachine guns, or something like 9A-91.
      repeat And the PDW concept is ...

      But, in fact, none of this solves the problem, since even "full-fledged" submachine guns for an intermediate cartridge do not suffer greatly from the spread of body armor. request
  6. Victorio
    Victorio 27 November 2020 12: 01
    -3
    I think the name "baby" is not very good, especially since the Ukrainians are still busy with their "baby"
    1. Alexfly
      Alexfly 27 November 2020 12: 38
      -7
      by the way, the design men could bring to mind a bullpup, at least a full-weight barrel, coupled with a traditional cartridge, the tankers could fight back. But this is all controversy, nothing good will appear, this is not a cut of budgetary allocations ...
      1. K-612-O
        K-612-O 27 November 2020 12: 48
        +3
        Here the bull-pap is just a dead-end branch of development and you can't fold the butt. All new samples somehow do without a bull-dad.
        1. Alexfly
          Alexfly 27 November 2020 13: 34
          -1
          So there is no butt ... Pukalka with a pistol barrel, the tanker does not need it!
      2. Yves762
        Yves762 27 November 2020 12: 57
        +2
        Bullpup was tried for a long time and many. Some even had / is in service as the main one, but it did not take root completely. Apparently the same "stone flower does not come out", and it's not just the crooked hands of designers ...
  7. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 27 November 2020 12: 40
    0
    AKS of course it's time to change, but the VAL ...
    The vortex is already small.
  8. awdrgy
    awdrgy 27 November 2020 14: 38
    0
    I already know that I will never hold or disassemble, and even more so I will not be the owner, so exactly
  9. Ax Matt
    Ax Matt 27 November 2020 16: 09
    0
    Faster than his flyers! Especially helicopter pilots and assault pilots!
  10. yfast
    yfast 27 November 2020 18: 04
    0
    Quote: Ax Matt
    Faster than his flyers! Especially helicopter pilots and assault pilots!

    Well, no, better something that will help avoid hitting the car. Or a lot of drones
    or missile protection.
  11. KSVK
    KSVK 27 November 2020 21: 05
    -3
    Quote: La Peruse

    P. S. Lord minusers !!! Is there something objective to say on the topic? If not, then run to the training ground to shoot sp5

    They have nothing to say. And they only know what SP-5 is from Wikipedia. And to use ... don't tell my sneakers. Yes, then they also dared to touch the sacred cow-Rosguard, protecting our best state system in the world from all liberal shortcomings. Don't you dare! Anyone who protests, the State Department's hirelings. And to spread spread rot is the sacred duty of every bearer. So you shouldn't be surprised at the cons.
    1. Recon
      Recon 27 November 2020 22: 06
      +2
      I have something to say, and I did not put downsides, because Mr. Laperuse is right in many ways. I disagree that there is no need to reinvent the wheel. As it should be. This particular platform should certainly be actively implemented, for at least one reason: the stability of the optics. If you have worked with the AK platform, you will understand what I mean. Personally, I have worked and work a lot and for a long time, and this problem is not fundamentally solved by either side brackets, or slats instead of a rear sight, or integrated receiver covers - nothing. AK-12 seems to be stable yet, but there is a steady tendency for loosening and backlash of the moving parts of the cover. I, as an active user, want to set the sight, bring the weapon to normal combat and forget about it. I will not talk about the modifications of "Cedar", "Cypress", etc., because I did not use it, but specifically the AK-shaped weapon is a dead end.
      1. Note
        Note 28 November 2020 06: 47
        -3
        You are a Recon in your dreams and may be an active user of the "AK-platform" in computer shooters :) AK-shaped .... not a single fighter of even the most "super duper elite" unit will call a Kalash like that. You at least to yourself read what you write in the comments before publishing. Where are you going to shoot with optics from the AK? Why optics then? Not even a collimator, but optics? Are you a sniper in your dreams? "The tendency for loosening and backlash of the moving parts of the cover"? Have you even held a model of a Kalashnikov assault rifle in your hands? It's just some kind of trouble. Some "specialists" and acting "pros" are sitting on the site. Every second pancake! Yes, real fighters and specialists have not even heard of this VO site :-) they once do nonsense. They have a pancake service, combat tasks, and in their free time there are very few of them, a family.
        1. Recon
          Recon 28 November 2020 11: 51
          +2
          Point by point:
          Quote: Note
          Kalash

          This is from the same series as the "horn", "clip", etc.
          Quote: Note
          Where are you going to shoot with optics from AK?

          I would like to target, but that's how it goes.
          Quote: Note
          collimator

          You are probably talking about a collimator sight? Which, surprisingly, is also an optical instrument. As well as an enlarger (magnifier) ​​for him. I wonder why the evil s came up with them and put them wherever they go? And ours followed the Valdai complex, which also includes an enlarger. Well, you know better.
          Have you even held a model of a Kalashnikov assault rifle in your hands?

          Do you even google how the AK-12 assault rifle works before writing. It's not even worth talking about in your hands.
          Quote: Note
          Yes, real fighters and specialists have not even heard of this VO site :-) they once do nonsense. They have a pancake service, combat tasks, and in their free time there are very few of them, a family.

          It will be a discovery for you, perhaps, but these are ordinary people, they even talk sometimes and go online. You farted into a puddle, my dear, but you are not the first, you are not the last. So peace and kindness to you.
          1. Note
            Note 28 November 2020 12: 05
            -2
            These are, in general, all the signs of a "couch" warrior. Pronounced. Please note that all information was taken from the network. Practices are zero, but they try to show that "they are not baked". Those ordinary people about whom you speak, even a glance at you would not be thrown. Stop embarrassing them and yourself. And I am not your dear :) I am a pensioner who suddenly accidentally found this Internet resource. And who, unlike you, knows what a weapon is
            1. Note
              Note 28 November 2020 13: 01
              -1
              Do not be offended, but the appeal "my dear" is generally not in use among the harsh guys who serve the Motherland. I have heard such treatment from them only once in my life. And it sounded like this. Comrade ..... (rank) dear .... Something like this. (name, patronymic), for all the time that you plan, supervise and together with us carry out these complex and dangerous operations (well, almost in the text), our unit has not suffered more than one loss. And on this anniversary exit, which coincided with your anniversary, we want to congratulate you from the bottom of our hearts and wish you ....... And also ask you to raise a worthy replacement that will come to us and will continue to correspond to those qualities of courage, ingenuity, justice and the valor set by you and your predecessors. Hooray! Somehow it all happened. And you - "My dear" you fled into a puddle ... You yourself may be very ashamed after a number of years .. Eh, youth
            2. Recon
              Recon 28 November 2020 15: 28
              0
              Quote: Note
              Please note that all information was taken from the network.

              Even if this is supposedly the case, how does this cancel out the fact that the receiver cover on the AK-12 is as it is written on the Internet? That a collimator sight is optics? I actually wrote, and, mind you, in response to your own conclusions about a stranger, made on the basis of one post on the Web. The fact that you were offended by harmless words that were justified by facts are your problems. Your status as a pensioner and an experienced person is unknown to me, I am reading you for the first time and I don’t know, as you do me. The fact that you have nothing to argue in fact is also not my problem. I will not be ashamed, besides, I will forget about your existence as soon as I finish writing this post. There is no desire to debate with you and prove something. Let's do it this way: for you I will remain a fake specialist and a pro, a sofa expert, etc., and on this we will disperse. Farewell.
              1. Note
                Note 28 November 2020 15: 51
                -1
                Sorry Recon, I was not at all offended and did not even flare up, but I was somewhat surprised and annoyed by your categorical statement that AK is a dead end. The fact is that a more reliable and unpretentious weapon, which so many times (saved) rescued both me and a great many other people (warriors), in the most difficult situations, as well as having such a huge modernization potential, I have never met in the world history of the weapons being created. It can only be compared with a blade weapon that has passed the centuries-old milestone of transformations in the service of man. Only respect for the genius of the creator MT Kalashnikov and the glory of this sample of Russian weapons caused this reaction. Here I say goodbye and once again apologize.
          2. Note
            Note 28 November 2020 12: 13
            0
            And more. You at least read for the sake of interest my own comments located just below. If you, as you say, "practice" :-) have at least closely similar observations or knowledge, then please present them and stop being rude
  12. KreAtiF
    KreAtiF 27 November 2020 22: 23
    +1
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: Dmitry Makarov
    The AM-17 assault rifle is being created for the pilots of the Aerospace Forces and the crews of Russian tanks, these guys work on the outer lines.

    From the article "the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Russian Guard have already expressed interest in the machine gun," the army needs something more powerful. This "pukalka" is good only to disperse demonstrations.

    Don't you read the news at all? It was written "by order of the Ministry of Defense" and the rest showed interest, most likely for anti-terrorist units.
  13. eskulap
    eskulap 28 November 2020 03: 16
    0
    If you want a compact barrel, why not consider a bullpup - both compact and features like a full-size Kalash
  14. Note
    Note 28 November 2020 06: 21
    +4
    At one time, I had the opportunity to work with various types of weapons, including hand-held small arms, of domestic production, both the Soviet period and the Russian. When working with the SVD, severe contamination of the gas outlet assembly was noted during intensive use. That is, after shooting three or more magazines (30-40) cartridges, each subsequent one increased the recoil and, reaching the number of 90-100, the so-called complex delays began to occur. The AM 17 circuit has one major major flaw and several smaller flaws. They don't talk about it because in fact it cannot be eliminated. The fact is that the AM 17 gas outlet unit is essentially a reduced, shortened copy of the SVD unit. Moreover, if this unit is quite suitable for working with SVD, given the profile of this sample, then for working with the AM 17 profile this unit of automation of loads of a dense rate of fire and the number of shots fired simply will not withstand. Refusals will follow after shooting 3-4 magazines. Plus, the barrel drifts are enhanced from the increasing recoil. Now for the less significant disadvantages. Firstly, it is a well-known fact for those who worked with samples E.F. Dragunov, which in no way diminishes the merits of this group of hand-held small arms: The bolt group and USM units are much more sensitive to external pollution factors such as dust, sand, liquid containing soil, etc. due to a more dense layout and a single assembly (USM) in a separate case, which means if contaminated by any of the above factors, the assembly will have to be removed and disassembled, followed by cleaning. That is somewhat difficult in the field, not to mention the conditions of the battle. Secondly, to enhance the strength of the plastic, metal elements were added to the box to reinforce it along its entire length, due to the transfer of the butt attachment to the plastic body of the box, below the top cover, which is a solid metal part. As a result, the total weight of the product increased. In the modern version, the AM 17 turned out to be more massive and dimensional relative to the designer's plan, which completely neutralized all the planned "advantages" in relation to the samples already in service.
  15. Konnick
    Konnick 28 November 2020 10: 11
    +3
    These developments are like manure in the farmyard, who would tackle the problem of cartridges, for new weapons new cartridges are needed and especially high-quality gunpowder. Use cartridges 5,45x39 and 9x39 in short-barreled weapons is nonsense.
    1. Note
      Note 28 November 2020 11: 20
      +1
      About new powder mixtures, possible derivatives for ammunition assembly, i.e. new alloys, calibers, principles of changing and improving ballistics, as well as the use of other substances in the processes of the shot, to the point!
  16. K-50
    K-50 28 November 2020 21: 19
    0
    The meaning of a small machine gun chambered for 5,45?
    This cartridge for increasing the flatness of the fire, "plays" at a greater distance, however, the damaging effect is reduced because of this.
    For a small machine, 7, 62 to 39 are more profitable, the stopping effect is higher.
  17. Evil 55
    Evil 55 29 November 2020 08: 03
    -1
    Does the plastic stink after 100 shots as well as the AK? The barrel is 230 mm long, the question immediately arises about the aiming range ... Since personal experience of using the AKSU suggests that it is almost impossible to get out of it further than a hundred meters, despite the rather powerful cartridge.
  18. serge siberian
    serge siberian 29 November 2020 16: 43
    +1
    Quote: Angry 55
    Since personal experience of using AKSU suggests that it is almost impossible to get out of it beyond a hundred meters,

    First and foremost: learn to shoot and more on the shooting range, practically. As well as the "flyers" need to do the same. Served urgently with AKS74U, 33 years ago, and shot at the shooting range, thank God, only there, not lower than 4 points .Hitting targets at 100-150 m., And at 300-350 m., And at 450-500 m. And it worked. hi