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"Cyprus Syndrome" by Todor Zhivkov and "The Renaissance Process"

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Article Tragic pages in the history of Cyprus: "Bloody Christmas" and Operation Attila we talked about the events on the island of Cyprus that took place in 1963-1974.


They echoed unexpectedly in Bulgaria, frightening the country's leaders and prompting them to launch the infamous Renaissance Process campaign. The Cyprus Syndrome, the Renaissance Process, the Great Excursion of the Bulgarian Turks and the situation of Muslims in modern Bulgaria will be discussed in this and the next article.

"Cyprus Syndrome" in Bulgaria


It was after Operation Attila, carried out by Turkey on the island of Cyprus in 1974, that the Bulgarian authorities began to seriously fear a repetition of the same scenario in their country, where by that time the number of people professing Islam was about 10% of the total population of the country. At the same time, the birth rate in Muslim families was traditionally higher than in Christian ones, and demographers predicted a further increase in the share of Muslims in the country's population.

The leader of socialist Bulgaria expressed these fears in the following words:

They want us to have a powder keg in the state, and the fuse from this barrel will be in Ankara: when they want - they will light it, when they want - they will extinguish it.

"Cyprus Syndrome" by Todor Zhivkov and "The Renaissance Process"
Resettlement of Muslims in Bulgaria, map


Bulgarian Muslims from Rhodopes, photo 1932

From the point of view of the leaders of Bulgaria, the situation was especially alarming in the cities of Kardzhali and Razgrad, whose population was already dominated by Muslims.


Ibrahim Pasha Mosque, Razgrad, Bulgaria

Bulgaria, like Cyprus, has been a province of the Ottoman Empire for centuries. The Politburo of the Bulgarian Communist Party believed that in the event of ethnic and religious unrest in the country, Turkey could try to repeat Operation Attila on Bulgarian soil. These fears of the top leaders in Bulgaria have been called the "Cyprus Syndrome".

"The Renaissance Process"


Back in 1982, the Bulgarian authorities started talking about a decisive struggle against "Turkish nationalism and Islamic religious fanaticism."


Todor Zhivkov at the parade in honor of the Day of the Cyrillic Alphabet and Bulgarian Culture, May 24, 1982

Finally, in December 1984, at the initiative of Todor Zhivkov, a large-scale “Christmas” campaign “Renaissance Process” (sometimes called the “United Nation”) was launched to change Turkish and Arabic names to Bulgarian ones. In addition, a ban was imposed on the implementation of Turkish rituals, the performance of Turkish music, the wearing of hijabs and national clothes. The number of mosques was reduced and madrasahs were closed. In some parts of Bulgaria, children in schools were obliged to speak only Bulgarian - both in class and during breaks. In the Varna region, advertisements have appeared in shops, canteens, cafes and restaurants stating that Turkish speakers will not be served. By the way, does this remind you of anything?

Citizens of Turkish origin were confiscated passports, issuing new ones with "Christian" names in return: from December 24, 1984 to January 14, 1985, 310 thousand people managed to change their names; in the first two months, about 800 thousand people received new passports - about 80% of all those living in the country of the Turks. This campaign took place as follows: in settlements with a Muslim population, residents were gathered in the central square and informed about the government's decree. Since the authorities of socialist Bulgaria required their citizens to always have documents with them, old passports were usually immediately replaced with new ones. After that, the festive program of "twinning" began - "fraternization" of Turks and Bulgarians with songs and dances.

In addition to the "carrot", the "stick" was also used: in the Bulgarian media, materials began to appear that Turkey poses a threat to the territorial integrity of Bulgaria, and the Turks who do not want to receive new passports are the "fifth column of the hostile state" and "separatists".

This attempt to "convert Muslims" was, incidentally, not the first: the authorities of the newly independent after the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-1878 tried to Christianize them. Bulgarian principality. Then it caused a wave of resettlement of Muslims living on its territory in the area subject to the Ottoman Empire.


Resettlement of Muslims from the Bulgarian principality after 1878

And in stories in other countries, examples of similar situations can be found. In the same Turkey, under Ataturk, the names of the Kurds were changed. And in Greece in the 1920s. forcibly changed the names of many Macedonians living in the country.

Already in our days the authorities of "democratic" Latvia have changed the names of non-indigenous inhabitants of Latvia (there were about 700 thousand of them): to male names since the beginning of the 90s. XX century, the ending "s" is added, for women - "a" or "e". At the end of 2010, the UN Human Rights Committee ruled that Latvia had violated the rights of its citizen Leonid Raikhman (former co-chairman of the Latvian Human Rights Committee, among other things), in particular, his rights under Article 17 of the International Covenant on Political and Civil Rights. The committee demanded to change both the name and surname of Reichman, as well as local legislation. The Latvian authorities ignored this decision.

It should nevertheless be admitted that this attempt in an instant to turn the Turks into Slavs in the face of tough confrontation with the "progressive West" within the framework of the Cold War is striking in its naivety. This could have passed if the American, which means “good son of a bitch” like Duvalier and Batista, or at least a puppet pro-American president like the current Baltic states, was in power in Bulgaria at that time. But Bulgaria was ruled by the communist Todor Zhivkov.

In addition, his decisive actions came as a surprise to Muslims, causing shock at first, and then sharp rejection. Indeed, according to the "Dimitrovskaya" constitution, adopted in 1947, the development of the culture of national minorities and education in their native language were guaranteed. In Bulgaria, national schools were opened for children of Turkish origin, three pedagogical institutes were operating, focused on training teachers of the Turkish language. Three newspapers and one magazine were published in Turkish (and there were also headings in Turkish in other newspapers and magazines). Also, in the places of residence of Muslims, radio broadcasting was carried out in Turkish. The wave of resettlement to Turkey 1949-1951 (about 150 thousand people emigrated) was associated not with a religious or national factor, but with a rejection of the collectivization policy.

The new constitution of Bulgaria, adopted in 1971, did not contain articles guaranteeing the rights of national minorities. In 1974, Turkish lessons became an optional subject, but there were no other restrictions on the Turkish population, and therefore the situation remained calm. The campaigns to change the names of the Pomaks and the Roma who converted to Islam in 1964 and 1970-1974, who were trying to "return to their historical national roots," did not affect the ethnic Turks.

The Turks themselves took centuries to Islamize the Albanians, Bosnians, torbeshes and the same Pomaks. In two months it was possible to give the Turks new names, but not to change their consciousness. That is why the Revival Process campaign was far from being held peacefully: there were large-scale rallies, protests, attempts to “march” the residents of Muslim villages into cities (the total number of protesters in late 1984 - early 1985 is currently estimated at 11 thousand people) ... Most of the protests were recorded in the Kardzhali and Sliven regions.


Kurdzhali and Sliven regions on the map of Bulgaria


Bulgarian Muslims protests

The authorities responded with arrests, the police met the columns of "walkers" with jets of cold water from fire hoses, and in some places - with automatic fire. weapons... Turkish newspapers wrote about thousands of victims (there were even reports of hundreds of corpses floating on the Danube and Maritsa), which, of course, does not correspond to reality, exceeding the true figures by two orders of magnitude. Tabloid readers wanted "horror films" that were readily produced. One of the most enduring myths of that time even became an episode of the Turkish-Bulgarian film "Stolen Eyes", which received the "Tolerance" prize at the Palich International Film Festival (Serbia).


Shot from the movie "Stolen Eyes"

We are talking about the death of the 17-month-old Turkian Feyzulakh Hasan, who was allegedly crushed either by an armored personnel carrier, or even during the suppression of an anti-government protest in the village of Mogilyan. a tank... In the Turkish city of Edirne, a park is named after Turkan, in which this monument is installed:


In fact, the child who was dropped by his mother was crushed by a crowd (about two thousand people), which at that time was smashing the local party committee, the village council, and at the same time, for some reason, the pharmacy (according to another version, this happened when the rioters were already running away from soldiers arrived in the village). But the legend has already been formed, and no one is interested in the boring truth now.

The exact number of those killed during the suppression of the resistance of the "Renaissance Process" campaign is still unknown, the minimum of the cited figures is 8 people, other sources increase the number of those killed to several dozen. Against this background, the radicalization of the protests was noted. There were real facts of sabotage and damage to equipment, arson of administrative buildings and forests, terrorist acts. On March 9, 1985, at the Bunovo railway station, a Burgas-Sofia train car was blown up, in which only women and children were found: 7 people died (including 2 children), 8 were injured.


Monument to the victims of the terrorist attack in Bunovo

On the same day, as a result of the explosion of a hotel in the city of Sliven, 23 people were injured.

On July 7, 1987, the Turks who had already received new names, Nikola Nikolov, his son Orlin and Neven Assenov, took two children - 12 and 15 years old - hostage to cross the Bulgarian-Turkish border. The next day, July 8, in order to prove the seriousness of their intentions, at the Golden Sands resort near the International Hotel, they detonated three grenades, wounding three people (tourists from the USSR and Germany and a local resident).

On July 9, during a special operation, their car collided with an armored police car. After that, the terrorists detonated (either by accident or intentionally) three more grenades - two of them were killed, the hostages were injured. Since the death penalty for kidnapping was not provided for in the Bulgarian legislation, the court sentenced the surviving terrorist to death for the murder of ... his accomplices! The fact is that it was he, according to the investigators, who detonated a grenade that killed his accomplices.

On July 31, 1986, by a happy coincidence, a terrorist act broke out on the beach of the Druzhba resort complex (now Saints Constantine and Helena). There was left a bag with a 5-liter milk can filled with explosives - 2,5 kilograms of ammonium nitrate and 6 pieces of ammonite, 60 grams each. The explosion did not occur due to accidental damage to the alarm clock that stopped.

In total, in 1985-1987, the Bulgarian security agencies identified 42 underground groups of Turks and Islamists. Among them were quite a few employees of the Bulgarian special services - both former and current, some turned out to be double agents working for Turkey.

Another exacerbation of the situation occurred in May 1989, when the protesters no longer hesitated to take knives with them to "peaceful demonstrations", which were often used. The militiamen, whose comrades were injured, acted more and more harshly.

Turkish-Bulgarian relations at that time were in a state close to the beginning of the war.

Political correctness aside, it should be admitted that the Bulgarian authorities did not come close to the level of cruelty that the Turks demonstrated for centuries in this Ottoman province. But in those distant times there was still no radio, television, OSCE, Council of Europe, UNESCO and numerous human rights organizations. Now the Turkish government has addressed the issue of the violation of the rights of national minorities in Bulgaria to all possible instances, as well as to the NATO allies. But here, too, opinions were divided. Britain and the United States sided with Turkey, Germany, France and Italy insisted on the mediation of the OSCE. They openly supported Bulgaria in all organizations of the USSR and Greece, which had its own scores with Turkey. Since both Greece and Turkey were NATO members, this caused a scandal and hysterical statements by the Turks about the violation of the principles of "Atlantic Solidarity".

In this situation, Todor Zhivkov demanded that the Turkish authorities open the borders for the Bulgarian Turks wishing to leave Bulgaria. For the Turkish authorities, who were not ready to receive a large number of immigrants and did not expect such actions from the Bulgarian leadership, this was a very unpleasant surprise. Nevertheless, the border was open, and in 80 days more than 300 thousand Bulgarian Turks crossed it. Since they were all issued a tourist visa for a period of three months, and more than half of those who left then returned to their homeland, in Bulgaria these events received the ironic name "Great excursion".

In the next article we will continue our story: we will talk about the “Great Excursion” of the Bulgarian Turks, the fall of Todor Zhivkov and the situation of Muslims in modern Bulgaria.
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  1. Korsar4
    Korsar4 26 November 2020 05: 07
    +9
    Thank you, Valery.

    The art of Country Governance can be a combination of soft power and determination. But when there are many stakeholders, unaccounted for factors appear. And the scenarios for the development of events may be different.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 26 November 2020 05: 37
      -1
      But when there are many stakeholders, unaccounted for factors appear. And the scenarios for the development of events may be different.

      A striking example is modern Belarus. hi
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 26 November 2020 06: 00
        +4
        Very interesting article!
        Its applied significance in the field of state administration on national issues is politically historically enormous and analytically very relevant in the light of the events of the present time! Besides, this is the first time I have read this about Bulgaria.
        I look forward to its continuation.
    2. Civil
      Civil 26 November 2020 08: 27
      -8
      Send anti-Turkish articles, so Erdogan all the same stepped on someone's foot in Moscow.
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 26 November 2020 08: 43
        +7
        In this case, there is hardly a direct connection.

        It remains to imagine how Valery publicly names the persons who inspired this cycle.
      2. pytar
        pytar 26 November 2020 14: 25
        +8
        Send anti-Turkish articles, so Erdogan all the same stepped on someone's foot in Moscow.

        Hi Vadim! hi Your remark seems very appropriate to me! good Not a question specifically about that stat, but in general! For many years, the Bulgarian media has been / and still continues / Bulgarian propaganda! In parallel, there was a pro-Turkish one! Clearly in line with some of the geostrategic goals of the GDP for the Balkans! Turks are supposedly "good", otherwise how to explain the Russian. population, clear consonance in the policies of the Russian Federation and Turkey? I think it is clear to everyone that the GDP will use Erdogan in its own interests as long as it is possible! Russia pushes him to aggressive actions, and she, as a defender, returns to many regions, where Erdo is a confusion, a threat!
        Evidently Erdogan has crossed many lines, stepping on the interests of Russia! It will inevitably come, and perhaps the time has already come when Russia will tell him "STOP stop , your role ends here, you don't understand, you will get a painful response "!
        1. Corrie sanders
          Corrie sanders 26 November 2020 18: 18
          +9
          We, Bessarabian Bulgari, were then very happy that on the eve of Gorbachev's chaos and nightmare, Todor Zhivkov had the courage and determination to save Bulgaria from this terrible danger, and not to allow what happened in Herceg_Bosna in Titov's Yugoslavia. For this, the Bulgarians should erect a monument to Todor Zhivkov
        2. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 27 November 2020 21: 13
          +2
          Quote: pytar
          For many years, the Bulgarian media has been / and still continues / Bulgarian propaganda!

          You probably drank "Slanchev bryag" instead of coffee? If our media say that Bulgaria either wants South Stream, or does not want it, then it wants to again, is it really possible? Bulgarian propaganda? You rush between the EU and Russia and cannot decide in any way where?
          Quote: pytar
          In parallel, there was a pro-Turkish one!

          And added "Rakia"?
      3. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
        Andrey Krasnoyarsky 26 November 2020 15: 12
        +4
        Generally, Voennoe Obozreniye is an independent publication that does not belong to the state and is not obliged to reproduce the official point of view. The editors also indicate that the opinions of the authors of the articles do not necessarily coincide with the opinions of the editors. So there is no need to look everywhere for a conspiracy and assure that Putin personally goes to the offices of paper and electronic media with a pistol and forces them to publish what is ordered.
  2. Nazar
    Nazar 26 November 2020 05: 17
    +19
    They say about the Turks - he comes into the house as a timid guest, and after five minutes he already behaves in your house as a host.
    There are plenty of confirmations of this.
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 26 November 2020 05: 39
      +19
      This is how Muslims behave where they come. The countries of Europe and the cities of Russia are an example.
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 26 November 2020 10: 45
        +3
        Quote: Pessimist22
        This is how Muslims behave where they come. The countries of Europe and the cities of Russia are an example.

        This happens often, but it is also wrong to put labels on everyone. It seems to me that it would be more correct to distinguish pigs, pigs HAVE EVERYONE, from decent ones.
        1. Cetron
          Cetron 26 November 2020 12: 47
          +6
          Have you met decent Muslims? They respect only strength - Dash in the face, immediately decent. A good attitude is regarded as a weakness.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 26 November 2020 15: 10
            +8
            Quote: Cetron
            Have you met decent Muslims? They respect only strength - Dash in the face, immediately decent. A good attitude is regarded as a weakness.

            Met to fig and more. Among the Arabs, Turks, Tatars, Circassians, Azerbaijanis. Moreover, it was problematic to give a significant part of them in the face laughing
            1. Jünger
              Jünger 27 November 2020 09: 26
              -1
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Moreover, it was problematic to give a significant part of them in the face

              Maybe you are kind because or just physically undeveloped? smile
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 27 November 2020 11: 04
                +5
                Now, of course - after a heart attack and surgery to remove a hernia of the spine))
                Before that, he sparred until he was 41 years old. Boxing, kickboxing (thaiboxing), Sanda wink True, the break was more than ten years between regular classes, but I maintained the + form)).
                1. Jünger
                  Jünger 27 November 2020 13: 28
                  0
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  hours of course - after a heart attack and surgery to remove a hernia of the spine

                  And how old are you that a heart attack? I thought you were in your 40s.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 27 November 2020 13: 43
                    +1
                    Heart attack was at 42))
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                2. Okolotochny
                  Okolotochny 27 November 2020 13: 31
                  +2
                  Why didn't you do kosher Ka-Mag? laughing
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 27 November 2020 13: 46
                    +2
                    Quote: Okolotochny
                    Why didn't you do kosher Ka-Mag? laughing

                    I did, but 90% of the techniques against the athlete will not work there. If you are not still involved in a sport (not a martial art laughing ), preferably shock - you can defend yourself against an unprepared person, and the boxer will knock you out, the wrestler will throw you on the asphalt, etc.
            2. Astra wild2
              Astra wild2 27 November 2020 17: 21
              0
              Can they give back?
    2. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 26 November 2020 05: 40
      +2
      They say about the Turks - he comes into the house as a timid guest, and after five minutes he already behaves in your house as a host.

      Turkey is preparing to resettle the families of Turkish Turkomans to Karabakh, an appointment is underway. There will be a Turkonization of the population in this region, similar to the Albanization of Kosovo, which will lead to understandably ... in the Caucasus, a Turkish abscess will form, which will be very difficult to cut. hi
      This is a great danger for Russia.
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 26 November 2020 08: 31
        +5
        Did Erdogan tell you this?
        Although in principle this is possible, there have been similar cases in the history of mankind
      2. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 12: 41
        +7
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        . in the Caucasus, a Turkish abscess is formed, which will be very difficult to cut.

        Are you laughing? I don’t know what about an abscess, but Azerbaijan has existed for a long time. And what is the difference between a Turk and an Azeri, not even every Turk or Azeri will answer right away.
        If you meant the hotbed of tension by the "abscess", then the increase in the number of Turkic-speaking residents in this region will hardly lead to an additional escalation of the existing conflict, rather the opposite - the position of the winning side will be additionally strengthened and the situation will stabilize for some time.
      3. ANB
        ANB 26 November 2020 14: 27
        +2
        ... Turkey prepares to resettle families of Turkish Turkomans to Karabakh

        Has Aliyev already allowed them?
    3. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 26 November 2020 08: 09
      +6
      Quote: Nazar
      They say about the Turks - he comes into the house as a timid guest, and after five minutes he already behaves in your house as a host.
      There are plenty of confirmations of this.

      It may be so, but, for example, North and South America from the local population was genocidal by Christian Europeans.
      1. Nazar
        Nazar 26 November 2020 11: 14
        +10
        Stirbjorn - Well, "Christian Europeans" are still those "humanists" - the same Belgians that got up in Africa - hair on end. I'm talking about another classic example - Kosovo. Albanians from poverty and hunger crossed the border of the SFRY - they were accepted by the simplicity of their soul, it is known how it ended. It is very similar to Cyprus, now in front of our eyes there is a high probability that the Turks will infiltrate into Karabakh - Aliyev and the entire Azerbaijani people can be very, very expensive for such "allies" and "brothers".
        By the way - can anyone clearly explain when the Sunnis and Shiites became "brothers"? If this is said aloud in Iran or St. Arabia, they will be very surprised.
  3. Proton
    Proton 26 November 2020 06: 00
    +6
    I was not familiar with these historical facts. Thanks to the author for a balanced and interesting article.
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 26 November 2020 06: 19
    +11
    Apparently, Turkey was conducting subversive work among the Bulgarian Turks. Zhivkov, instead of acting quietly and calmly, took radical measures ..
  5. Jünger
    Jünger 26 November 2020 08: 07
    +7
    Interesting Facts. The Bulgarians were great, I didn't expect.
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 26 November 2020 08: 30
      -2
      And what were they "well done"?
      1. Jünger
        Jünger 26 November 2020 09: 06
        +7
        Quote: Livonetc
        And what were they "well done"?

        The state-forming people who bring the national and religious minorities of the country to a common denominator is truly wise because it will avoid grandiose problems in the future.
        Will avoid if it leads.
        1. Livonetc
          Livonetc 26 November 2020 09: 44
          +5
          This "if" spoils everything.
          Bringing to a common denominator is not conducive to violence.
          Only cooperation and interaction.
          Consider the closest example - the Russian Federation.
          The languages ​​and cultures of many peoples have been preserved.
          There are many religions and confessions in the country.
          Well, let's take a look at the nearest neighbors.
          They systematically engage in violence in their society.
          Nationalism and corruption are flourishing.
          A civil war breaks out.
          They bring everything, culture, language and worldview of society to a common denominator.
          Are they great?
          PS Nazism, in all its forms, is disgusting and destructive for any country.
          hi
          1. Jünger
            Jünger 26 November 2020 10: 53
            +3
            Quote: Livonetc
            Bringing to a common denominator is not conducive to violence.

            Violence is the main instrument of the state. Without him, some in the forest, some for firewood, nothing reasonable is impossible.
            Quote: Livonetc
            Only cooperation and interaction.

            Austria-Hungary is a very clear example where the Germans "collaborated" with the Hungarians and Slavs. This empire was shaking as sticky all its life. Or the late Ottoman Empire ...
            Quote: Livonetc
            Consider the closest example - the Russian Federation.

            Same. The modern RF is a vivid example of degradation and extinction, where ethnic groups actually rule the country and trample the rights of the state-forming majority.
            And rudely trampled on. And the state-forming majority at the same time most often claps and sings about the friendship of peoples.
            Here RI is an example of interethnic relations. But only due to the fact that the Russians gave birth more than all the other nationalities combined.
            Quote: Livonetc
            Well, let's take a look at the nearest neighbors.

            We will not throw it. There are no examples there. If you are talking about Ukraine, then it is mono-national, and all the dance there has purely irrational motives. People are going crazy.
        2. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 13: 11
          +7
          Quote: Junger
          The state-forming people who bring the national and religious minorities of the country to a common denominator is truly wise

          In mathematics, fractions lead to a common denominator as follows: find the smallest common multiple of these denominators and multiply both fractions by the corresponding factors. And do you know what this is for? So that later these fractions could be added, that is, combined, merged together. I draw your attention to the fact that as a result, the value of the denominator changes for both fractions. smile
          The meaning of national policy in a multinational state, in general, should be reduced in the end to "bringing to a common denominator."
          But there are still enough stubborn degenerates for whom there is only one universal factor, which fully embodies the ability of their inter-ear space to generate thoughts. This factor is zero.
          I would be glad to be mistaken, but it seemed to me that when you talk about reducing to a common denominator, you meant exactly multiplying one of the fractions by zero.
          To clarify, please specify what methods you consider necessary to bring "national and religious minorities" to a common denominator in our country.
          1. Jünger
            Jünger 26 November 2020 14: 09
            +1
            I remember well your Tatar origin, Mikhail, so I understand that this topic worries you especially lol
            Quote: Trilobite Master
            To clarify, please specify what methods you consider necessary to bring "national and religious minorities" to a common denominator in our country.

            In our country, the Russian people must first take their minds, and only then calculate the denominators. I doubt that after more than a hundred years of mess, the first is possible. Therefore, talking about the second is meaningless.
            1. Trilobite Master
              Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 15: 03
              +5
              Quote: Junger
              I remember well about your Tatar origin

              Thank you, you reminded me, otherwise I began to forget. laughing
              Quote: Junger
              the Russian people must first take up their minds

              Gold words.
              The Russian people must take up their minds, must begin to study, work, develop themselves culturally, so that representatives of other peoples, looking at the Russian, think: "I want to be the same." That is when this will happen, when the Russians prove in practice that they need to be equal - then everyone will voluntarily come to a "common denominator". And this whole process, oddly enough, is in the hands of each of us. Live with dignity, respect yourself and others, do not be afraid of anyone, no "blacks", "Asians" or "Caucasians", do not humiliate yourself and do not humiliate - and everything will be wonderful, they will take an example from you.
              In the meantime, half-drunk, brainless dumbheads with shaved heads and camouflage pants with suspenders tucked into ankle boots (or their ideological successors with rotifers and other similar paraphernalia) are trying to bring us all to the "denominator", sense from this as from shaving a ferret - a little wool, but hands covered in blood and stench all around.
              Quote: Junger
              I doubt that after more than a hundred years of mess, the first is possible

              If you can, so can the rest.
              1. Jünger
                Jünger 26 November 2020 16: 02
                +2
                Quote: Trilobite Master
                The Russian people must take up their minds, must begin to study, work, develop themselves culturally

                Definitely. The main thing is to learn to appreciate your own blood. When an abstract Ingush drowns for his neighbor, the Russian now drowns his neighbor, hiding behind verbiage.
                Quote: Trilobite Master
                so that representatives of other peoples, looking at the Russian, think

                It doesn't matter what any representatives think of you. You can build your life based on what your neighbors Uncle Petya and Mahmud think of you, but it is unlikely that something good will come of it.
                We must have our own rigid life principles and live according to them, regardless of Makhmudov and Arsenov. They have their own destiny, if they want, they will pull themselves up, if they do not want, they will dump them to hell. They are still of little use, no one will get any worse.
                1. Trilobite Master
                  Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 16: 51
                  +3
                  Quote: Junger
                  The main thing is to learn to appreciate your own blood.

                  Is your own mine, for you yours? Or me too - yours? Or make you appreciate mine? laughing
                  I'm afraid that here you will be faced with a difficult problem - how to distinguish the blood that should be appreciated from the one that can and ... that? Don't appreciate, I mean ...
                  For a start, I propose to be guided by Klesov's theory, which he really managed to abandon, but ... ideas do not die ... R1a is our everything! If not R1a - your blood is dirty and we will not appreciate it. Gypsies, Tajiks, Indians and other Iranians? Nothing, let's highlight the markers by which a true Russian can be distinguished. True, it may turn out that half of the population of Russia north and east of the Volga (Vologda, Arkhangelsk, Peter, Novgorod, Pskov) will have to be registered as Untermensch, but the Poles will come to us ...
                  Will it not work?
                  Okay, then we will oblige all citizens to create their own pedigree. If there are no foreigners - well done, a full-fledged Russian. If there is, well, depending on the percentage, you will be a citizen with a disadvantage. And if you can't confirm the pedigree ... Do we write halfway? Or how? By the way, this method suits me one hundred percent - I have all the relatives I know, up to my great-grandmothers and great-grandfathers, are Russians, even my grandfather, who is "poltatarina" in all metrics, surname, name and patronymic Russians. Where he was born, simply, everyone considers themselves to be a half-Tatar. Middle Volga region. And, most importantly, I can document all this! Wow, I'm on you, non-Russians, I'll come off then! ..
                  Not really? Okay, there is still a way.
                  Let the entire population take an exam in the Russian language, literature, music, history, culture and customs. Whoever does not surrender is not Russian with all the consequences, it is his own fault. By the way, here I am not afraid either - I will hand over better than many ... True, here too there may be an overlap - it will not work out that there will be more Jews among the Russians?
                  Let's try this: Russian - he is 180 years old, hair color is not darker than light brown, eye color - gray or blue, well, there, the facial features are European, that's understandable ... In general, work out a portrait of a true Russian in detail and compare with the standard of everyone. .. Make special tools, there, compasses ... Stop, that was already, in my opinion, somewhere. Let's not repeat, I'm not sure everything ended well there.
                  How to be?...
                  How to implement this segregation, so as not to make a mistake and, on the one hand, do not let foreigners into Russia, and on the other hand, do not accidentally offend their own?
                  Maybe make him drink vodka? That's right! Nerus alone will not pass this test! You can persuade half a liter in half an hour under a pickled cucumber with black bread - our man! Maybe so?
                  What are your ideas on this? Do not conduct polls on the streets: "Russian?" - "Yes" - "Come in, get the document" ...
                  But in any case, the population of the Russian Federation needs to be reduced. Definitely. How do you think? Thousand by 200 - 300 or more?
                  laughing wassat laughing
                  Now seriously.
                  Tell me, what are you so afraid of? Why are you so scared, right up to the point that you are almost ready to call Russia "to the ax"? Are you weak? Alone? Are you being hurt?
                  Tell me, where does this wild animal fear come from, which makes some of our fellow citizens rush in panic with radical ideas?
                  1. Jünger
                    Jünger 26 November 2020 17: 03
                    -1
                    Horror smile Here is such a trepidation and it is necessary to run like hell flame.
                    Unfortunately, you, Mikhail, are a rootless cosmopolitan and there is nothing you can do about it or explain.
                    If a person is disabled, then you can only pass by, looking down. Well, or throw a hundred into his cap.
                    I'm sorry for hundreds of you, so I'll just walk by. laughing
                    1. Trilobite Master
                      Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 17: 26
                      +3
                      Quote: Junger
                      so I'll just walk by

                      Downcast eyes? laughing
                      That's right, that's right. And silently, this is the main thing. So that no one can see or hear. This, in fact, was what I wanted, Alexander. hi
                      Good luck. laughing
                      1. Jünger
                        Jünger 26 November 2020 17: 32
                        +1
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        That's right, that's right. And silently, this is the main thing.

                        Remember how Bulba used to say -
                        "But the last asshole, whatever he is, even though he was covered in soot and in worship, he also has a grain of Russian feeling, brothers."
                        But you do not have that feeling, because you are asking stupid questions. Yes, and many do not now. Therefore, of course, in silence.
                      2. Trilobite Master
                        Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 17: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: Junger
                        Yes, and many do not now.

                        Yes, the wrong people got caught ...
                        You should have been born a Jew. They are all right with this question.
                        Hey gay, Israeli colleagues! Will you welcome Alexander into your ranks? He seems to fit!
                        laughing
                2. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 26 November 2020 17: 29
                  +4
                  Let's try this: Russian - he is 180 years old, hair color is not darker than light brown, eye color - gray or blue, well, there, the facial features are European, that's understandable ...

                  That is, if the eyes are green, and he himself is bald, is he no longer Russian? Damn, Michael ... recourse Che, I do not fit your theory ... bully drinks
                  1. Trilobite Master
                    Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 17: 54
                    +4
                    I don’t have 180 either, I don’t cry ...
                    Okay, we allow green eyes, but then we lower the qualification for growth to 175.
                    But about baldness - that's bad. Light-haired hair will have to be proved by showing the pubis and armpits, but here nuances and abuse are possible. So when appointing a Gauleiter they will prefer the hairy one. In the interests of the state and the Russian people. laughing
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 26 November 2020 22: 05
                      +2
                      Light-haired hair will have to be proved by showing the pubis and armpits, but here nuances and abuse are possible.

                      Mikhail, you are simply setting unrealistic conditions! belay They are red ... repeat Everything, nafig your super-Slavic hyperethnos, I will go to Albert-Krasnodar as relatives to ask for it! tongue I'll ride like cheese in butter with such and such relatives! good drinks Also a great drinking companion for sure! wink
                      So when appointing a Gauleiter they will prefer the hairy one.

                      Shpakovsky will do ... what If you count the mustache by the hair ... bully Life hack! laughing
                    2. Trilobite Master
                      Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 22: 28
                      +2
                      Mustache and beard should also be, but they do not go into the color test. For example, my hair is light blond (with uniform gray hair all over my head of hair - in general, beauty! smile ), and the beard grows half red ... And everyone has red beards - this is not an indicator.
                      But if you include in the examination program the obligatory demonstration of the pubis, then some citizens can be immediately identified as absolutely alien and finally rejected from the Russian people. laughing
                    3. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 26 November 2020 22: 35
                      +2
                      But if you include in the examination program the obligatory demonstration of the pubis, then some citizens can be immediately identified as absolutely alien and finally rejected from the Russian people.

                      It's just a blow below the belt! belay Literally! You still have the percentage of light brown hair and their "color variation" count! stop Here Viktor Nikolaevich is friends with the atomic absorption spectrometer, he will decompose the color of the flame in the color spectrum and will decompose in different waves! fellow
                    4. Trilobite Master
                      Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 22: 37
                      +2
                      The flame of the people's struggle for the purity of the race does not decay! Moreover, these ... alcohol meters. Only with alcohol!
                    5. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 26 November 2020 22: 47
                      +1
                      The flame of the people's struggle for the purity of the race does not decay! Moreover, these ... alcohol meters. Only with alcohol!

                      Well, really an old Russian relic (including songs and fairy tales) is the Arkhangelsk region. I'm just thinking .. Our mutual friend Anton 3x3zsave is from the North. And also about 180-185. Have you seen Michael Paré from my unsuccessful article? wink So - Anton is more brutal, stronger and much more beautiful! soldier I ought to play you both off over a bottle ... winked then we'll see how pure the racial theory is! good
                    6. Trilobite Master
                      Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 22: 51
                      +2
                      Racial theory in a bottle? Closer to the New Year we will arrange. I have a racial theory on the viburnum perfectly infused, and for the New Year and on cranberries it will fit. smile
        3. Korsar4
          Korsar4 26 November 2020 21: 23
          +2
          Bald is possible. Only with a certificate of those who have gone out of their heads.
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 26 November 2020 22: 01
            +3
            Bald is possible. Only with a certificate of those who have gone out of their heads.

            There will be a help from another place ... laughing
          2. Korsar4
            Korsar4 26 November 2020 22: 09
            +2
            We have learned this very well: to install turnstiles and request certificates.
          3. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 26 November 2020 22: 13
            +2
            We have learned this very well: to install turnstiles and request certificates.

            Especially when a professional scientist is with a professional bon vivant (and in general the settled Carlson!) laughing Okay, I'll give you a certificate .... for my own seal ... "sealed - the cat Behemoth!" drinks
          4. Korsar4
            Korsar4 26 November 2020 22: 15
            +3
            It would never have occurred to me to demand anything from this retinue.
            And where professional scientists come from is unknown. Now - sheer amateurism.
          5. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 26 November 2020 22: 26
            +2
            And where professional scientists come from is unknown. Now - sheer amateurism.

            You know more in narrow professional things than I do in general. This is called professionalism. soldier sincerely, hi
          6. Korsar4
            Korsar4 26 November 2020 22: 33
            +2
            It is very difficult to compare who knows what. And there is no need.
          7. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 26 November 2020 22: 36
            +3
            And there is no need.

            And rightly so. Would be a good man! wink
  6. Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 22: 30
    +3
    Quote: Pane Kohanku
    There will be a help from another place ...

    C (fig) is it? laughing
  7. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 26 November 2020 22: 32
    +3
    C (fig) is it?

    It's a pity to give the remains from the head for examination! request There are many experts, but only one bald spot! sad
  8. Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 22: 34
    +3
    That is, from him, dear ...
    There is one problem - they are curly there. And this is already a sign, yes, a sign ...
  9. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 26 November 2020 22: 40
    +2
    And this is already a sign, yes, a sign ...

    Yes ... request Our man, ours! wink And then I worked it out, you understand - "Luga Tatar, Luga Litvin!" No. You can't fool genetics! laughing Let's go open a shop on shares! drinks (Albert - in the know, he will support!) drinks
  10. Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 22: 59
    +2
    No, I'm better at nix. Security is my specialty. You will open that you need to take, and I will warn if the cops ... Or the owners. smile
  11. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 26 November 2020 23: 12
    +3
    You will open that you need to take, and I will warn if the cops ... Or the owners.

    Judging by his thoughts, Moshe Bocharsky did play at you. good The roles were played out painfully cunningly. wink Kipa on your head? Chin beard? laughing
    Oh wei, dear Moshe, who do you have to offer such roles? But no - I'd better go to the shop to trade! drinks
  12. Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 22: 32
    +3
    Quote: Korsar4
    Only with a certificate of those who have gone out of their heads.

    "We went to the gypsies. Their R1a is cleaner, which is what we'll sign for. Hair."
    So what? laughing
  13. Korsar4
    Korsar4 26 November 2020 22: 37
    +3
    The gypsies can handle it themselves. Residents of Bulgaria will not let you lie.

    And you can call to perform Vakhtang Kikabidze:
    "Let my head be gray."
  14. Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 22: 40
    +4
    The main thing is not to be "empty", like that of Kikabidze himself. For pensioners, when admitted to the Russian, of course, there will be a discount on both gray hair and bald head, whoever has it.
  15. Korsar4
    Korsar4 26 November 2020 22: 42
    +3
    Good. Is Kipling's bald head good?
    Then you can perform "Shaggy Bumblebee".
  16. Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 22: 49
    +3
    Shaggy bumblebee
    climbed onto a spruce,
    spilled chanel
    and jumped into the font
    and there is caramel -
    suck for a couple of weeks
    and there, you see, and April,
    the door rips off its hinges ...
    laughing
    I know this song ... laughing
  17. Korsar4
    Korsar4 26 November 2020 22: 51
    +4
    Hidden advertising "Chanel No. 5".
  18. Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 22: 53
    +3
    Why advertising? He poured it into piles. Let's replace it with shrapnel. "Pulled the shrapnel and jumped into the font"
  19. Korsar4
    Korsar4 26 November 2020 22: 54
    +3
    And this is a longing for barley.
  20. Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 22: 56
    +3
    For women. Longing only for women. I don't like pearl barley, but very much women.
  21. Korsar4
    Korsar4 26 November 2020 22: 58
    +3
    Children come from women.
    "And I myself look like caramel" (c).

    I have not imagined you with the features of Lieutenant Rzhevsky. The information, however, is completely insufficient.
  22. Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 23: 01
    +2
    The mood is good today. smile However, it's time to wrap up - tomorrow we have an obscurant Friday, you need to be in shape. smile
    Good luck! hi
  23. Korsar4
    Korsar4 26 November 2020 23: 06
    +4
    Someone reasonable puts an end to it. Happily!
  24. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 26 November 2020 23: 17
    +4
    However, it's time to wrap up - tomorrow we have an obscurant Friday, you need to be in shape.

    All calls start on Friday after 15.00:XNUMX. wink I have a move tomorrow. Final. yes And a new life! drinks
  25. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 26 November 2020 23: 15
    +3
    And this is a longing for barley.

    In our school, the police trained normally .. The soldiers, of course, nicknamed them "bolts". what And I ate it with pleasure ... Really, it was delicious. hi
  26. Korsar4
    Korsar4 26 November 2020 23: 19
    +3
    There is no food that tastes bad. I agree with the Spartans.
  27. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 26 November 2020 23: 33
    +3
    There is no food that tastes bad. I agree with the Spartans.

    They were fed normally. In addition, for the undernourished - a cafe with different buns and other things. In the evening, he let those who wish go to the store - they immediately bought to the department.
    He did not spread rot on anyone. All people. He left - they gave a standing ovation. Came to graduation - another standing ovation ...
    Nostalgia, Sergei! Often dreams ... request
    And if I hadn't quit then ... Honestly? Thank God I quit my job on time. Time was to build life. what
  28. Korsar4
    Korsar4 26 November 2020 23: 36
    +2
    There is a different approach to work and layoffs. From afar - you cannot comment.
  29. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 26 November 2020 23: 48
    +2
    There is a different approach to work and layoffs.

    Different. Absolutely.
    A sovereign is a man of a sovereign. It is subtly necessary ... Maybe I was wrong ... But if you take away my achievements after the service ... I would probably dream of returning. The "honest captain M" was there. They called him that. He was young and non-standard, was in some ways an idealist ... And there, in many ways, it was easier ... what
    But I'm glad that now I don't need to listen to degenerates in big shoulder straps. I am an individualist and a sociopath. And his own master. And whoever doesn't like me - they will go straight themselves ... at my personal request ... I - will voice! soldier
    Broke, Sergei ... drinks
  30. Korsar4
    Korsar4 26 November 2020 23: 52
    +3
    In my opinion, the most interesting thing is our diversity.
    Not the same sample as at work. Interest club.
  31. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 26 November 2020 23: 57
    +2
    In my opinion, the most interesting thing is our diversity.
    Not the same sample as at work. Interest club.

    And I've been saying this for four years! hi We are different - but we are together! soldier and the company - arrives as good participants, which is good news! good
    And, most importantly, we communicate with understanding and respect - but also with the discovery of something new in everyone ... drinks
    "My friends, our union is wonderful ..." yes
  32. Phil77
    Phil77 27 November 2020 21: 28
    +1
    Quote: Pane Kohanku
    And if I hadn't quit then ... Honestly?

    Nikolay, you have chosen your path, nostalgia?
  33. Korsar4
    Korsar4 28 November 2020 09: 55
    +2
    Yes, the fosterlings of the Wild West, like the Janissaries, did not know mercy.
  34. Phil77
    Phil77 28 November 2020 10: 28
    +1
    Hello Sergey! But the situation is also ambiguous. * Old Bolivar is tired, he can't stand two. * wink
  35. Korsar4
    Korsar4 28 November 2020 12: 15
    +1
    Quite unambiguous. "So it is necessary to pay off at this price" (c).
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 26 November 2020 21: 22
    +3
    I managed to grow over 180 cm. I felt relieved from my heart.

    And women have always loved grenadiers.
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 26 November 2020 22: 10
      +3
      I managed to grow over 180 cm. I felt relieved from my heart.

      I have 190. This is too much in racial theory? belay Everyone, overboard? recourse
      And women have always loved grenadiers.

      they loved the hussar ... and they were lively ones! request
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 26 November 2020 22: 13
        +2
        So that's the XIX century. Acceleration now.
      2. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 26 November 2020 22: 18
        +2
        So that's the XIX century. Acceleration now.

        I wonder how much Uncle Bones has a Sea Cat. Even that hussar tanker ... wink drinks Truly a hussar! good
      3. Korsar4
        Korsar4 26 November 2020 22: 21
        +2
        Ask for a visit. And grab the folding centimeter. Following the example of Pechkin.
      4. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 26 November 2020 22: 29
        +2
        Ask for a visit. And grab the folding centimeter. Following the example of Pechkin.

        I'll ask for it. You only need two things - time and money. The journey from St. Petersburg to Ryazan is two days. If without masochism, and I do not drive. laughing But it costs not much less than a week in Turkey. For gasoline - not less than 5000. Plus two hotels. request
      5. Korsar4
        Korsar4 26 November 2020 22: 35
        +2
        Write travel notes: like Radishchev. It remains to find a sponsor and a publisher. However, Radishchev ended badly.
      6. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 26 November 2020 22: 42
        +1
        However, Radishchev ended badly.

        Radishchev ended badly because of obstinacy.
        The rest of the travelers became great. soldier
      7. Korsar4
        Korsar4 26 November 2020 22: 53
        +2
        So announce your subscription. Or use the train.
        There can be tension with the traveling palaces.

        Or wait for May - and with a tent and a sleeping bag. There are still some undeveloped meadows.
      8. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 26 November 2020 23: 06
        +2
        There can be tension with the traveling palaces.

        A separate page of Russian architecture! Not really considered! good
        Interesting A.D. Menshikov - this one built his own houses everywhere. fellow Founded Peter - you need to build yourself a palace! One of the most luxurious in Europe (although now this building looks more than modest). request Koporye? He also builds a wooden house there (not preserved). yes It seems that Menshikov is doing something similar in Yama - the future Kingisepp ... what
        Have they given him the possession of Oranienbaum? The local palace is the pearl of the city. good
        By the way, Oranienbaum should be grateful to THREE figures in its development. 1. Menshikov, who built the palace. 2. Peter III, who built Petershtadt in an amusement park with Holsteiners. what 3. The Officer Rifle School, and especially its last boss, General Nikolai Filatov. He has a memorial plaque. The bearded general did a lot for Russia, a lot ... He died in the USSR in high esteem and respect! soldier
      9. Korsar4
        Korsar4 26 November 2020 23: 13
        +3
        From Moscow to the Lavra, as far as I remember: Alekseevskoe, Taynitskoe, Bratovschina and Vozdvizhenskoe.

        “I am teasing you, the Emperor, near the village of Pushkin, and the bear broke and tore me. Tell me, Emperor, to give it to me for a dress ”(c).
  • Phil77
    Phil77 28 November 2020 10: 35
    +1
    Quote: Korsar4
    and find the publisher.

    Is it possible in .... bloggers ?! belay
    Oh, Sergei, I have to go, I'm actually at work. winked
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 28 November 2020 12: 17
    +1
    Also at work. But the habit of drinking tea with good companions remained.
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 22: 35
    +3
    I always thought what a miter ... belay
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 26 November 2020 22: 40
      +1
      I don’t know if it will be interesting for you, there are popular books on ethology by Dolnik. Maybe you will find some answers to questions.
  • Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 26 November 2020 18: 22
    +1
    so that representatives of other peoples, looking at the Russian, think: "I want to be the same"
    This is exactly what Western Europe was hoping for. Like, they come in large numbers, look around, think and want to be the same. It didn't work out, those who came in large numbers just announced to themselves that they were better. And they integrate (or rather try) state-forming ethnic groups for themselves.
    1. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 18: 48
      +2
      Quote: Bolt Cutter
      This is exactly what Western Europe was hoping for.

      There were many mistakes here, and the first of them was the admission of each and every one with the allocation of benefits. The second is allowing migrants to live compactly. One might think and list more, but all these mistakes will be reduced to a blind worship of liberal values, to which the newcomers have not yet grown up.
      A stupid migration policy, conditioned by the rigid framework of an ultraliberal ideology, has led to certain negative consequences, but, as you will see, Europe will survive that too. It will change a little, but it will remain the same - quiet and prosperous.
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 26 November 2020 18: 57
        0
        with the allocation of benefits.
        It was believed that they would look around and want to be successful, to live in abundance on a par with Europeans. For this, work, study. In fact, a modest social housing is already a palace for them. A penny of benefits is also good money. Hard work - not for them - it is better for a healthy man to sit in a cafe all day and discuss football than to work.
        allowing migrants to live compactly
        This was immediately seen as a violation of their rights. So they live where they want laughing In addition, they created their ghettos practically everywhere.
        Will change a little, but remain the same
        This is no longer a fact.
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 19: 06
          +3
          All right
          And as for the fate of Europe - do not doubt that it has a huge margin of safety in the form of traditions, historical memory, science, and culture. All this will be perceived, just not as quickly as it could be with a competent policy. Of course, there will be changes, but not dramatic ones.
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 26 November 2020 19: 12
            +3
            about the fate of Europe - do not hesitate
            I live in this very Europe, and I do not share your optimism. It is possible that old age will have to be spent in Latvia with a shotgun in an embrace and a pistol under the pillow wassat sad .
          2. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 19: 58
            +2
            In ten years - we'll see. smile
        2. Korsar4
          Korsar4 26 November 2020 21: 19
          +3
          Only a generation of Europeans is growing up, little used to fighting.
          And the Bologna system finishes.

          A couple of undergraduates, a couple of masters. 30-35 years old.
          Nobody really expects to work. But subcultures are ready to open their doors.

          A couple of decades more: a cheerful pensioner with a smartphone, drinking beer, playing petanque.

          It is clear that this is just one of the possible scenarios.
          And there are tons of pretty professionals.

          But returning to the first thesis, just going with the flow will not be enough.
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 26 November 2020 17: 02
    +2
    Colleague Jünger, in my opinion you have had enough.
  • vladcub
    vladcub 26 November 2020 15: 16
    +4
    Misha, that thought can be expressed more simply. Jünger suggests: "no ethnicity, no problems"?
    1. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 15: 19
      +4
      It seems so, but does not speak openly. He says, first we need to take up our minds. Well, I agree. smile
  • Catfish
    Catfish 26 November 2020 16: 51
    +4
    To clarify, please specify what methods you consider necessary to bring "national and religious minorities" to a common denominator in our country.

    I'm not sure if something like that was meant, but it is quite possible as an option.
    1. depressant
      depressant 26 November 2020 22: 22
      +11
      I read the conversation ...
      And do you know what came to mind? Everyone here is wise, tolerant - in general, well-bred, intelligent people, imposingly talking about what they have no idea about. Misha - that's how he talked about the genetic code.
      And they ... I will say this. When the situation aggravated, a person who was your neighbor for many years, with whom they sat at the same table, broke lavash, ate mamalyga from the same pot, talked about everything in the world, converging in opinions, revealed their secrets to each other, helped each other as much as they could - this person, when the political situation aggravates, instantly becomes a stranger to you and if he does not put a knife to your throat, then with cold eyes he watches over the fence how someone else is doing it, or he will turn away. Or, having heard your cries for help, he will not come, will not protect, will not substitute for you, will not gather a crowd of neighbors, will not call law enforcement officers to stop not just murderers - sadistic tormentors ...
      But he will protect, substitute and gather a crowd of neighbors, if you, as they say in Abkhazia, are one nation with him.
      I testify ...

      The lack of national solidarity in Russia, replaced by a fair, equal attitude towards the warring parties, does not cause sympathy and understanding in them. They consider it our weakness and even stupidity, and, perhaps, they are right. Their own blood is above all for them, even if there is only a small fraction of it. Religion is one of the signs of national identification, one of the methods of selection into the community, although not the main one. It is difficult for a Russian abroad. It is much easier for them. Russian is often lonely and difficult even in Russia.
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 26 November 2020 22: 45
        +1
        Vysotsky has a song "What's on one?"
        It is beyond nations. A question to the person.

        And who and when left the community, and how far they broke away - again
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 26 November 2020 22: 46
        +2
        As for "abroad" - when there are many Russians (Russian-speaking) and they feel the hostility of others around them, they organize themselves in the same way, then study, after that they begin to "pump up rights", create parties, their own TV channels, etc.
        1. depressant
          depressant 26 November 2020 23: 48
          +4
          Oh really? And are there many Russian parties in Abkhazia, or even just Russians who are pumping their rights? And there are many of these swinging in Georgia? In Armenia? Try it, swing your rights there ... Or, perhaps, in Kyrgyzstan, in which today the question of canceling the study of the Russian language in schools and replacing it with English was raised - in the very Kyrgyzstan, which was written off billions of dollars in debts and recently allocated how many millions there (information is easy to find on the Internet, look!) - just imagine, for Kyrgyz children! Is this encouraging refusal to learn Russian? Or is the refusal to learn Russian a form of gratitude from the Kyrgyz?
          Yes, wake up all of you, finally ...
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 27 November 2020 00: 01
            +3
            Or refusal to learn Russian is a form of gratitude from the Kyrgyz
            They decided to rid Russia of themselves good After all, not knowing the language, it's more difficult to come in large numbers laughing Let them learn Arabic and earn money for a wedding in the Gulf. Or in China yes .
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 27 November 2020 00: 13
            +1
            I'm talking about the far abroad - an example of Israel. In Germany, Russian speakers are also together, but they, on the other hand, are less integrated (the majority) into German society and less active.
            About the former republics of the Union - not in the know.
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 27 November 2020 12: 40
              +1
              In Germany, Russian speakers are also together
              In England, meeting such immigrants is a depressing sight. They practically manage to live in some kind of sham Soviet world, but with an English salary. The long-term result is no career or citizenship, but patriotism of 80lvl and an accent from which crows fall on the fly. And their rustic vanity is generally wassat
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 27 November 2020 12: 44
                0
                I have three acquaintances who live in London (more precisely, London-Moscow, London-Tel Aviv) - they are not particularly interested in Great Britain itself, they make money, they are more concerned with Russia and Israel than with the affairs of the UK.
              2. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 27 November 2020 12: 50
                +1
                Businessmen are inherently cosmopolitan, again I'm sure your friends aren't proud of the 10-year-old BMW and the new iPhone. wassat So it's different, as they say. And the benefit from the state, which they despise, is not included in the list of their priorities. In the diaspora, everyone I met was Petra's piglets.
              3. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 27 November 2020 12: 53
                0
                I will say more - one of them in London moves only by taxi or other public transport)).
              4. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 27 November 2020 12: 58
                +2
                Finding parking will take the same amount of time as taking the subway. Actually travel by car in central London can take an hour, really walking on foot in the same time. Taxis, yes, they can ride on a dedicated line (and are paid for with business expenses). In general, he's a smart guy.
              5. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 27 November 2020 13: 40
                0
                Highly. And, accordingly, rich.
                But, if we go back to the Russian-speaking communities abroad, then the Israeli one has proved itself as a political force and the ability to integrate (ministers, business, highly qualified professionals), and now it is slowly fading away as precisely Russian-identified, because immigrants from the countries of the former USSR have simply become one of the components of the mosaic of Israeli society. For generations 25 and younger, their own Russian roots are no longer interesting - they mix with the rest of the Israelis.
                Germany - except for a network of "Russian" supermarkets and beautiful numbers of cars (they cost 30-40 euros, the Germans squeeze, and the "Russians" poke around), and I have not seen any restaurants / nightclubs similar to the Israeli activity of Russian-speaking people.
                France - in the south, I saw the rich, who only keep families there. Italy - there are Russian businesses such as outlet market tours - that's all.
                England already wrote.
              6. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 27 November 2020 14: 06
                +2
                Attempts are being made to organize the "political voice" of the consolidated laughing diasporas, newspapers are published (free, exist through advertising and announcements), and even an intellectual weekly, with a hint of highbrow is. Russian businesses are small offices serving the needs of immigrants, mostly owned by Ukrainians and Armenians.
                The attempts of some "leaders" to become these leaders and to speak on behalf of the diaspora are frankly ridiculous, as are the "leaders" themselves in the letter P. One such woman from Odessa came out for a passport Marrying a black man and having done a black man, I especially remember.
                In general, a miserable swamp, from which you need to stay away because it will suck. Before my eyes, a really smart programmer became an empty goon in communication (he was saved by moving to Australia good ) after communicating with them. Still, the diaspora loves crime - kraim dear, forever beloved laughing ... Love for freebies, even with good earnings, stand in line (if legally in the country, of course) for municipal housing. And Isessno Pontyyyyy.
                I still cannot understand how, for the most part, intelligent people recreated the atmosphere of the working suburbs of Mukholyubinsk among themselves fellow
              7. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 27 November 2020 16: 48
                +2
                I saw this in Germany laughing
  • Jünger
    Jünger 27 November 2020 08: 11
    +1
    You are absolutely right, apparently you know what you are talking about. But unfortunately for such "wise" theorists as Misha, these are all empty words that do not fit into the Procrustean bed of their pink and snotty leftist ideas.
    In their world, there are no nationalities or religions, everything is buried in degenerate mockery and chatter about compasses.
    1. Icelord
      Icelord 8 December 2020 13: 15
      0
      Ohh, yes you are a Nazi, dear, it always ends in a loop, go ahead for the award
      1. Jünger
        Jünger 8 December 2020 13: 42
        +1
        I remember that you are a minority comrade who is offended by the terrible Russian fascists. )) I sympathize with you as a Christian.
        1. Icelord
          Icelord 8 December 2020 14: 16
          0
          What minorities? I am a Pole and I do not live in Russia, who will offend me?
          1. Jünger
            Jünger 8 December 2020 14: 21
            +1
            From national minorities. If you do not live in Poland.
          2. Icelord
            Icelord 8 December 2020 14: 23
            0
            No, I work in the administration of Uzbekistan
      2. Icelord
        Icelord 8 December 2020 14: 17
        0
        And you need to sympathize with yourself, because they will hang ... at best
      3. Icelord
        Icelord 8 December 2020 14: 21
        0
        But fascists of any kind must be drowned in the toilet
        1. Jünger
          Jünger 8 December 2020 16: 32
          +1
          How would the Uzbeks from the administration drown you in the outhouse. be careful hi
  • Motorist
    Motorist 27 November 2020 22: 34
    +1
    Quote: Trilobite Master
    But there are still enough stubborn degenerates for whom there is only one universal factor, which fully embodies the ability of their inter-ear space to generate thoughts. This factor is zero.

    If the denominators are multiplied by zero, then each of the fractions will tend to infinity. This is uncertainty, there are techniques to get around it. True, not everyone knows them ... And, in general, you are right - you should not initially multiply by zero, creating uncertainties.

    By the way, the Author (and the members of the forum) correctly noticed the parallel - "Vibachte, I am not a rosum rosium of my own" heard back in the XNUMXs. True, in comparison with the then Bulgaria (judging by what I read), Ukraine looks, to put it mildly, "differently" - more and more escalated.
  • Van 16
    Van 16 26 November 2020 08: 12
    +5
    Thank you interesting. I knew nothing about this "Renaissance Process".
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 26 November 2020 08: 42
    +2
    Good morning. I am very glad that Valery does not forget us
    I first heard about this, about 8 years ago. In the style of "spoiled phone": the head was torn off or the tail came
  • Hello from Baku
    Hello from Baku 26 November 2020 09: 12
    -2
    You read the comments and some kind of déjà vu, if the West blames Russia for everything, here they blame Turkey for everything.
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 26 November 2020 11: 20
      +8
      You probably see that the eye catches.
      Russia has many neighbors. Different. And looking for the guilty is not the most productive activity.

      However, since the time Alexander III spoke about Russia's allies, not much has changed.
  • bandabas
    bandabas 26 November 2020 09: 22
    -4
    In a word, brothers. Only the knife is kept in the bosom.
  • Blacksmith 55
    Blacksmith 55 26 November 2020 09: 32
    +7
    I ask myself the question, what did the mother of a month old baby do at the crowded demonstration?
    Naturally, this is a sad event.
    It is impossible to foresee all the circumstances, as an example, a bomb explosion. But I consider it frivolous to go to meetings of many thousands with a child.
    I would never appear with my granddaughter (4) among a crowd of large masses of people.
    Interethnic and interreligious relations are in most cases a ticking time bomb, and often there are people who are ready to light the fuse.
    Thanks for the article, I look forward to continuing.
    1. VLR
      26 November 2020 09: 51
      +14
      She came to this rally with her 17-month-old daughter from another village, so she wanted to "take part." Modern ideologists of "color revolutions" also strongly recommend taking small children with them to protest actions - innocent and ideal "sacred victims". Then some public garden will be named after him as compensation for the deceased child.
      1. Blacksmith 55
        Blacksmith 55 26 November 2020 09: 57
        +3
        Are such people friendly with their heads, that's the question?
        Although for some "interested" people it does not matter, the main thing is then to shout out loudly: Here, look what they are doing to us!
      2. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 26 November 2020 10: 56
        +6
        Valery, these ideologists need to be removed at birth, the reproductive organs must be removed so that they do not multiply!
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 26 November 2020 15: 06
          +4
          And they also say that women are gentle: bam and all the eunuchs.
          1. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 26 November 2020 16: 36
            +3
            On the contrary, this is a manifestation of humanism: better 2-3 impotent than hundreds of cripples and dead
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 26 November 2020 10: 19
    +4
    "Zhivkov was scared" Valery, excuse me, did he tell you that he was scared?
    I would say differently: he was concerned. In my opinion, this is the most appropriate definition.
    I don’t want to think to the communist that he was chicken-feed. Errors, perhaps, and who was not wrong?
  • dzvero
    dzvero 26 November 2020 10: 34
    +11
    In the 84th he served; there were no special excesses. An acquaintance once told me: they were cordoned off the village, renaming was carried out by the police and the party. And suddenly an aged man comes out to them and brings food - help yourself, guys ... They stand, he says - it is not poisoned and eats himself. Then everything went more or less calmly, but then propaganda began on the Turkish side, followed by the radicalization of part of the population.
    Then, in the 90s, they were allowed to change their names back. But it turned out interesting smile Once I stood in line at our analogue of your traffic police, registering a car ... In front of me is a family, registering either an Audi or a BMW that they bought in Germany, waving documents, talking to each other in Turkish. I looked at the German papers - the name of the buyer is Stanislav, and the name of Selim is on the registration form. It turns out that there was a Bulgarian name in the foreign passport, and a Turkish name in the national one. Those. in Europe they are entirely Bulgarians, but as back again, then immediately national minorities (the Gypsies spied on and adopted their experience too) smile
    There are many stories and tales, but let's wait for the next part of the material, about the "excursion".
  • Operator
    Operator 26 November 2020 10: 52
    -2
    Officially, Turkish rule in the Balkans is recognized as a yoke (occupation and genocide) in all countries of the region, except Albania. Therefore, local accomplices of the Turks (Bosniaks, Pomaks, etc.) are collaborators and are subject to deportation to Turkey at the first request of the authorities of the states of the former Yugoslavia and Bulgaria.

    It is another matter that Turkish collaborators are supported by the EU and the US, but this is already a question for Serbs, Croats, Macedonians and Bulgarians.

    In particular, the groveling of Bulgarians before the EU for scraps from the master's table naturally leads to the strengthening of the pomaks in Bulgaria. Therefore, the further the inhabitants of Bulgaria, the more they become non-Slavs and non-Christians, definitely.

    PS The author of the article is clearly not a Slav or a Christian laughing
    1. alatanas
      alatanas 1 December 2020 14: 18
      0
      This population (of the Muslim faith) has always been the object of Turkish propaganda since 1885, and maybe even earlier.
  • Sergey Oreshin
    Sergey Oreshin 26 November 2020 10: 54
    +6
    The Bulgarians somehow behaved liberally and tolerantly. The Turks in 1876 did not differ in such kindness to the Orthodox.
    On good terms, it was necessary as soon as we gained independence: you don’t want to integrate into the Bulgarian Orthodox society - "suitcase-station-Istanbul". And speak Turkish to your health, wear hijabs, go to mosques
    1. gsev
      gsev 26 November 2020 11: 34
      +5
      Quote: Sergey Oreshin
      The Bulgarians somehow behaved liberally and tolerantly. The Turks in 1876 did not differ in such kindness to the Orthodox.

      As far as I know, in Turkey, according to the law, children of trek citizens should be given only Turkish literary names. There was a case when a Circassian tried to regain his ancestral Circassian name. He even had to sit in a Turkish prison for that. However, Turks are more civilized than Latvians, for example. After the decision of the OSCE court, the Turkish authorities allowed the Circassian name to be returned to the Circassian.
    2. gsev
      gsev 26 November 2020 11: 38
      +5
      Quote: Sergey Oreshin
      On good terms, it was necessary as soon as they got independence:

      As soon as Bulgaria gained independence, the Russian army in this country died out from epidemics of typhus and cholera. An English fleet was stationed in the Bosphorus. There was a high probability of the intervention of Austria-Hungary and France, so then the Bulgarians did not need a new war with the Turks, even a partisan one.
      1. Sergey Oreshin
        Sergey Oreshin 26 November 2020 14: 32
        +3
        Bulgaria declared its independence in 1908.
    3. Renator
      Renator 26 November 2020 13: 07
      +1
      Quote: Sergey Oreshin
      On good terms, it was necessary as soon as we gained independence: you don’t want to integrate into the Bulgarian Orthodox society - "suitcase-station-Istanbul".

      Do you at least know a little about the question of Bulgaria? Or are you creating hatred on purpose? And for a fool
      1. Sergey Oreshin
        Sergey Oreshin 26 November 2020 14: 34
        +4
        Hatred was created there by the Turks, who conquered Orthodox Bulgaria and kept it within the Muslim Empire for 400 years.
        After the atrocities that they committed during this time on the Bulgarian soil, the Bulgarians had every right not to stand on ceremony with the invaders.
        1. Renator
          Renator 26 November 2020 14: 57
          0
          Quote: Sergey Oreshin
          Hatred was created there by the Turks, who conquered Orthodox Bulgaria and kept it within the Muslim Empire for 400 years.
          The same can be said about Russia!

          After the atrocities that they committed during this time on the Bulgarian soil, the Bulgarians had every right not to stand on ceremony with the invaders.

          You were there when the atrocities were?
          In general, have you ever been to Bulgaria? Do you know the Bulgarian history well? Or just want to provoke?
        2. Icelord
          Icelord 8 December 2020 13: 21
          0
          It was a long time ago, what do you think you should do now? All whites from America, both North and South, Germans from Germany, Britons from England, Russians from the Caucasus stoll?
          1. Sergey Oreshin
            Sergey Oreshin 8 December 2020 14: 45
            0
            I am not the President of Bulgaria and not even a citizen of it. It is up to the Bulgarians what to do there with their Muslims.
            It is unlikely that they will ask me for advice
            1. Icelord
              Icelord 8 December 2020 14: 47
              0
              This is what there is a trial in The Hague for, so that the presidents think
              1. Sergey Oreshin
                Sergey Oreshin 8 December 2020 14: 48
                0
                Only for some reason they judge there almost exclusively those who did not please the Americans.
                1. Icelord
                  Icelord 8 December 2020 14: 50
                  0
                  Oh well. Have you ever been to the USA or Europe? I live there every year for at least a couple of months. There is no need for propaganda, there by the way, much less
                  1. Sergey Oreshin
                    Sergey Oreshin 8 December 2020 14: 55
                    0
                    And where does the propaganda, then?
                    It was correctly noted in the comments that there are "all Turks" in Turkey, and Todor Zhivkov could not find a Bulgarian community in Turkey, and starting with Abdul-Hamid, the Muslims slaughtered Greeks, Armenians, Assyrians and other Christians there ( and all this in the 20th century), then the Turks switched to the Kurds (the same Muslims, but not willing to become Turks) - so what? Have anyone brought before the League of Nations or the Hague Tribunal? Maximum - they can scold. However, to the same Erdogan for all this buzzing-murmur - if only henna
                    But when the Yugoslav army began to establish constitutional order in Bosnia and Kosovo, "the world community immediately yelled": ah-oh-wow, poor Muslims are slaughtered by evil Serbs.
                    However, I repeat - that is the business of the Bulgarians and the Bulgarian authorities, what should they do with their Muslims?
    4. vladcub
      vladcub 26 November 2020 15: 00
      +1
      In fact, the author says that there was a wave of resettlement: 1878.
      1. Sergey Oreshin
        Sergey Oreshin 26 November 2020 15: 12
        0
        Yes, but rather as a spontaneous reaction of Muslims to the victory of the Russians.
        Not a purposeful policy of the new authorities
  • ee2100
    ee2100 26 November 2020 12: 02
    +8
    In the summer of 1986 I was vacationing with my family in Bulgaria, Sunny Beach. 3 weeks. We talked a lot with the locals. Not a word was said about interethnic problems.
    We offered a tour to Istanbul, but due to the fact that the Turks put a stamp in the passport, I did not go.
    At the same time, in winter, a friend was resting at a ski resort and set fire to their structure, it was set on fire. He jumped from the second floor. The local KGB interrogated them for a long time. Everyone believed that it was "gray wolves" that some bigwigs lived in their building.
    For everything that was burnt out, there was compensation (2 suede jackets, 2 movie cameras - in that spirit) and free trips for the next year.
  • iouris
    iouris 26 November 2020 12: 14
    +2
    Quote: "In total, in 1985-1987, the Bulgarian security agencies identified 42 underground groups of Turks and Islamists. Among them there were quite a few employees of the Bulgarian special services - both former and current, some turned out to be double agents working for Turkey." End of quote.
    Turkey is NATO, capitalism. The BNR is the OVD, socialism. Today Bulgaria, although a NATO member, is no longer important for Erdogan. He is "your country shatal". Thus, the painting is oil. We must work with the "Turkomans". Otherwise ...
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 26 November 2020 12: 36
    +3
    Still, Zhivkov was influenced by various factors, both incoming information and disinformation ...
    1. alatanas
      alatanas 1 December 2020 14: 47
      +2
      When Todor Zhivkov was visiting Turkey, he wanted to meet with the Bulgarian community in Istanbul. He was told that there are none, everyone in Turkey is Turks. This is what provoked him.
  • Renator
    Renator 26 November 2020 13: 01
    -1
    Back in 1982, the Bulgarian authorities started talking about a decisive struggle against "Turkish nationalism and Islamic religious fanaticism."
    There has never been Islamic religious fanaticism in Bulgaria.
  • pytar
    pytar 26 November 2020 13: 18
    +11
    Hello, to all readers and the author, dear V.A. Ryzhky! hi I was a direct participant in the events described in the article and promised that I would give a comment on the topic! So...

    1.In addition to one article in Russian:
    https://riafan.ru/695903-kak-tureckie-ekstremisty-ubivali-bolgarskih-detei-pri-podderzhke-evrosoyuza

    2. Turkey, no matter how relations developed with the Balkan countries and specifically with Bulgaria, has never abandoned its expansionist goals!! As one familiar Istanbul professor told me - "when we / Turks / look to Europe from Istanbul, we see ... Vienna ... You / the Balkans / are not on this way, do not exist ..."Bulgaria, due to its geographical location, is the key to the door of the Balkans and to Europe for the Turks!

    During the existence of the Department of Internal Affairs, Turkey could not go for a direct occupation of the Bulgarian lands, but believed that it could use the demographic / Islamic factor! It was believed that "Bulgaria itself will fall in the nails of the Turks"! Shortly before the beginning of the Revival process, the eggs of medical workers of the Turkish ethnic group were discovered, who in maternity hospitals put other actions in Bulgarian babies, causing infertility in adulthood. There was a lawsuit, but then there was no publicity for such things!

    3.By demographics:
    At the same time, the birth rate in Muslim families has traditionally been higher than in Christian ones, and demographers predicted a further increase in the share of Muslims in the country's population.

    In fact, this problem has become acute since the beginning of the 50s. Until that time, the birth rate in the Christian Bulgarian families was even higher than among the Muslim ones. And she is associated with forcible collectivization carried out by the communists, liquidation of the traditionally prolific Bulgarian village, as with the subsequent ten-year erroneous demographic policy led by the communist authorities! From the 50s to the 90s, the population of socialist Bulgaria grew by almost 2,5 million, but the Bulgarian ethnic group itself slightly increased, mainly not due to the birth rate, but due to the increase in life expectancy! The main increase was given by Turks and Gypsies! They bred very actively! Here we must bear in mind that of. the data given out by the Bulgarian communal authorities differ greatly from the real picture! Later studies show a horrifying picture of the depopulation of the Bulgarian ethnic group during the time of socialism! And everyone who lived at that time in Bulgaria saw how the ratio of ethnic groups changed before our very eyes! In fact, under socialism, Bulgaria became Turkic and turned out to be! Socialism has brought about a demographic collapse in a traditional Bulgarian family, and this is one of the most terrible attacks of totalitarian power in Bulgaria!

    4.The origin of the Bulgarian Turks:
    4.1.In the Ottoman Empire, there was a practice, after the expiration of the term of service of the Janissaries, they were given land to the region where they came from. The Ottoman authorities hoped that the janissaries would attract their former relatives, the Christians, to Islam. It is clear that when they settled down, they took as wives from the nearest ethnic communities, that is, from the Bulgarians.
    4.2. The majority of Bulgarian "Turks" are the descendants of ethnic Bulgarians who converted to Islam and have forgotten their origin.
    In a message from 1373, Pope Gregory XI writes to Archbishop Gransky:
    "The wicked infidels, called the Turks, these bitter enemies of the name of Christ and his indomitable persecutors ... conquered and brutally devastated vast territories ... and the Bulgarian kingdom ... as well as other countries of people professing the name of Christ, if schismatics ... Theirs the inhabitants were either brutally exterminated, or taken into miserable slavery, or in some other way placed under the yoke of ill-fated slavery, and some of them, alas, denied the name of Christ. "
    Midhat Pasha - the governor of the Sultan in the Danube province and the grand vizier of the Ottoman Empire in his article "Turkey: past, present, future", published in the French journal "Scientific Review of France and Abroad" 1878, no. 49, p. 1152, writes:
    “There are over a million Muslims among the Bulgarians. This does not include either the Tatars or the Circassians. These Muslims did not come from Asia to settle in Bulgaria, as they usually think. They are the descendants of the very Bulgarians who converted to Islam in the era of conquests and in subsequent years. children of one country, one race and one generation. And among them there is a part that does not speak any language except Bulgarian. "
    The famous English journalist James Boucher, who has lived in Bulgaria for thirty-two years as a correspondent for the Times newspaper, met with a huge number of Bulgarian Muslims and visited the Rhodope and other areas of their residence, wrote the following in his article:
    "The Rhodope Pomaks, or rather the Bulgarians who forcibly converted to Islam in the era of conquests ... have a purer Bulgarian blood than the Bulgarians themselves."
    In the old swinging graves, and now they find buried according to the Mohamedan rite, and on the chest of the deceased ... a cross is put !!!

    5. The revival process had a completely legal basis! In fact, a nationwide regulatory naming system was introduced! Such systems exist in many countries, for example in France, and in Turkey itself, a citizen must have a Turkish-Islamic name! For example, footballers playing in Turkish clubs and adopting Turkish citizenship will be renamed!

    6. Before the beginning of the Renaissance process, relations between ethnic groups in Bulgaria were quite normal, no conflicts on an ethnoreligious basis were observed! Although mixed marriages were and are still rare! The revival process led to aggravation and aroused Turkish-Mohamedan nationalism! As everything that the BKP did and it turned out to be a gross mistake! In the 90s it was recognized as a mistake and there were trials over the former perpetrators in power! Bulgaria has officially apologized to its Turkish citizens.
    Another interesting point is that the Bulgarian Maidan, as a result of which the communist power fell, was not started by the Bulgarians! The rallies, protests in the squares in Sofia in 89, began by the Bulgarian Turks, with demands for the return of names! This was the beginning of the end of totalitarianism in Bulgaria.

    7.In view of the fact that Turkey has always been a direct threat to the very existence of the Bulgarian nation, after the collapse of the ATS, Bulgaria, left without allies and falling into a deep economic and political crisis, was forced to join NATO! This is 14 years after the collapse of the Department of Internal Affairs! Not against Russia, but to defend himself in some way from Turkey! This had an effect for some time, otherwise there would have been bloodsheds like the Kosovars in Bulgaria! The Bulgarians managed to preserve the ethnic peace, now relations between ethnic groups are quite normal, even better than during socialism! But the threat from the side of Erdogan's Turkey is growing, this is a fact and they cannot be ignored! Nowadays, in an endless stream, Turkish serials and chalga / oriental songs and music / are shown on TV channels! It can be seen that someone is very actively funding with propaganda, trying to reformat the Bulgarians! But this will not succeed, the Bulgarians have a recorded rejection of everything Turkish at the genetic level!
    1. pytar
      pytar 26 November 2020 13: 58
      +14
      Especially for Turkish sofas on the site, I want to clarify: I am friends with our Turks, my best FRIEND since my student days, "Turk"! Our Turks in Turkey itself are considered Bulgarians! With full reason, because they are an inseparable part of the people of my country! Attempts from outside to split the Bulgarian society continue! Here from memory I read the words of Kemal Ataturk, he himself is from Macedonia, probably has a Bulgarian-Albanian origin - "the Turks and Bulgarians should be friends, because whenever there is a conflict between us, external forces, lonely hostile to all of us, benefit"!
      Today relations at the state level between Bulgaria and Turkey are good! As our government leaders say, this relationship is an example for other countries! I would like to believe that it will be so, even though the aggressive policy pursued by Erdogan strikes many questions! By the way, most of our Turks do not approve of Erdogan's policies! Many Turks who had previously moved to Turkey are returning to Bulgaria. They are extremely unhappy with what is happening there!

      I will add a translation of one article on the topic of the origin of the Bulgarian "Turks"! It almost coincides with the story of my "Turkish" friend!

      First-person story: On the DNA of white, blond and blue-eyed "Turks"
      I have a Turkish friend. We have been together since childhood, our fathers are friends. His entire family has very light skin and blonde hair. They are more like Slavs. In my student years, I teased him, sometimes jokingly, sometimes seriously - "What a Turk you are with that white skin and blond hair!" And he stumbled - "Well, don't you know? There are many white Turks. Turks are generally white. There are also a lot of blondes. Here is Kvanch Tatlutu, who looks a bit like me."
      We laugh, but I do not leave him - And where did these white Turks from the Middle East or Africa come from? There are no Russians either in Asia or in Africa.
      - I do not know where we are from, but we are like that, Turks are white and bright.
      "I'll tell you where you are from - from the Balkans, from the stolen Janissary boys."
      A "blood tax" was levied annually on 8000-10000 boys. At the same time, they were chosen by the healthiest and most beautiful. For 350 years, during which there was Janissary, about 4 million children were born. That's where the Turks have the white gene. Most likely you are a Bulgarian descendant.
      Over the years, we have had this conversation in different versions. In fact, he did not have many counterarguments to my statements. Until recently, he threw himself.
      - Ah, I will pass a DNA test to prove to you that I have no Bulgarian roots.
      We joked a bit, but in the end we both decided to do it. Dug up where how to do it.
      The main test has 12 markers and examines the Y chromosome, which can determine the origin of the male line, father-grandfather-great-grandfather, etc. We realized that we need so-called "autosomal tests".
      We stopped at an American laboratory. The tests cost us $ 110. After about a month and a half, the results came back. I was in haplogroup J2, a typical Thracian group, brought from Mesopotamia to the Balkans 10-12 thousand years ago. My friend expected it to be haplogroup G2, which is the most prominent group in Turkey, but it is also present in Bulgaria.
      However, it turned out that this is haplogroup I2a, which is one of the most common in Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, Slovakia, strongly expressed in Croatia. It appeared in the western part of the Balkans even before the Thracians. This group includes such peoples as the Goths, i.e. Getae, Scythians and South Slavic peoples. There is no genetic link to Turkey or Asia. It was a shock to my friend.
      - I cannot be perceived as another. My grandfather told me that we are an old Turkish family and came from Turkey.
      - Maybe, but this is only 3 generations ago, and in 100 years 5 generations will be replaced. You don't know how it was before. As far as I know, the Bulgarians who converted to Islam gave them many advantages, but they were forbidden to talk with other Bulgarians, but only with the Turks. Therefore, they quickly began to call themselves Turks.
      I already regretted challenging him to pass these tests, but I still know the truth better.
      Well, I'm not far from guessing what the result of the Kwangcha Tatlutu DNA test will be.
      A recent genetic study by Turkish scientists has shown amazing results: about 80% of the population of the European part and neighboring regions of Asia Minor have Bulgarian genes!
      In Diyarbakir - about 60%! Erdogan ordered to suspend the suspension and classify.
      Well, you wonder - what did he expect ?!
      For centuries to take from Bulgarians boys for janissaries and girls for harems, and then not have a population with Bulgar genes ?!
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 26 November 2020 14: 20
      +2
      Excuse me, but socialism also led to the demographic collapse of Western Europe? Or is it just that the birth rate is inversely proportional to the level of education of the population?

      In fact, a nationwide regulatory naming system was introduced!


      But in Russia it does not exist, and it never occurs to anyone to introduce it. Unless under Stalin in the Crimea, many Turkic names were changed to new ones. Probably because in Russia you get tired of counting different ethnic groups, even within the borders of the RSFSR, not to mention visitors, and I imagine that a married couple from Great Britain will come to the Russian Federation, live here for a long time, have children here, and they will be told at the registry office at registration that you should not call your son John, but Ivan.

      It's just that the Bulgarians in this case behaved like the Balts, they found the simplest way not to integrate strangers into society, but at the same time to poke them out as much as possible, not being able to complete what they started by force. Although in the same USSR in the era of indigenousization, a collective letter from the Bulgarian village is well known (there were many of them in Crimea before the war) against the introduction of instruction in the Bulgarian language, like we are not going to our historical homeland, and we do not want our children to be in linguistic isolation ...
      1. pytar
        pytar 26 November 2020 17: 53
        +2
        Excuse me, but socialism also led to the demographic collapse of Western Europe?

        In different countries, demographic problems arise for different reasons! In this case, the topic is about Bulgaria and its specifics! Urbanization in our country was carried out not on the basis of natural processes and the evolution of society, but through command-administrative, coercive methods, like everything else!
        Or is it just that the birth rate is inversely proportional to the level of education of the population?

        There is a connection with education, but it also affects the well-being of the population and much more! Bulgarian Turks received the same education from Bulgarians, like everyone else! By the way, the birth rate among the Turks also fell, but not so much as among the Bulgarians. But the gypsies had everything super!
        But in Russia it does not exist, and it never occurs to anyone to introduce it.

        Russia is a multinational / federal / country, it also has national republics! It makes no sense to compare with national states.
        Unless under Stalin in the Crimea, many Turkic names were changed to new ones.

        Under Stalin, a lot of things were done ... Whole peoples were evicted, and also created new nations! By the way, from our Bulgarians in Macedonia, the Titovists created a "Macedonian nation", the most ancient one, like the Ukrainians!
        It's just that the Bulgarians in this case behaved like the Balts, they found the simplest way not to integrate strangers into society, but at the same time to piss them off as much as possible ...

        In Bulgaria, the Turks were well integrated. Nobody considered them strangers. They are considered Bulgarians in Turkey.
        The problem was in the BKP and in the totalitarian system in general, which rudely, unceremoniously, ultimately manipulated people by all sorts of idiotic decisions! Repressions against dissidents / no matter what ethnicity /, tens of thousands of political prisoners in the Bulgarian gulags, forced collectivization, "mental clinics" for dissidents, "revival processes", and much more!
        Although in the same USSR in the era of indigenousization, a collective letter from the Bulgarian village is well known (there were a lot of them in Crimea before the war) against the introduction of instruction in the Bulgarian language, like we are not going to our historical homeland, and we do not want our children to be in linguistic isolation ...

        In the USSR, you can write what they demand! The totalitarian Soviet political regime was a model for the Bulgarian.
        The event you are specifically describing / Crimea and adjacent regions /: During the Second World War, these regions fell under the Romanian-German occupation. Bulgaria did not participate in the war against the USSR, the norms were maintained. diplomatic relations. And since the actions of the Romanian and German authorities in these occupied territories also affected the Bulgarian population there, by agreement with Bulgaria, the resettlement of those who wish was organized. Tens of thousands of Bulgarian families returned to their historical homeland. After the defeat of Germany and the seizure of power by the communists in Bulgaria, the USSR demanded that the settlers be believed back as former "Soviet citizens - deserters"! The BKP has committed this crime too! I returned them, knowing that very bad things were waiting for them there! Camps, repression, assimilation! The letter you are talking about is part of the subsequent assimilation-repressive policy of the Sov. authorities, to the Bulgarian ethnic minority.
      2. gsev
        gsev 26 November 2020 20: 54
        -1
        Quote: EvilLion
        Unless under Stalin in the Crimea, many Turkic names were changed to new ones.

        Since about the 1940s, the study of Tatar history was prohibited in the USSR. In addition, the migration of peoples, beginning with the Koreans and the Chinese, is more abrupt than the events in late communist Bulgaria or the modern Baltic states.
    3. vladcub
      vladcub 26 November 2020 14: 54
      +5
      Boyan, thanks for your comment, it is always interesting to compare: the vision of the situation from the inside and outside
    4. Renator
      Renator 26 November 2020 15: 02
      +1
      The revival process led to aggravation and aroused Turkish-Mohamedan nationalism! Like everything that the BKP did and it turned out to be a gross mistake
      I totally agree, but there was also Bulgarian nationalism!
      But now it is not as noticeable as before, the ATTACK still exists.
      1. pytar
        pytar 26 November 2020 18: 15
        +7
        I totally agree, but there was also Bulgarian nationalism!

        Metin, nationalism is interconnected in a vicious circle of processes! All people are essentially the same! When someone throws a match with impure intentions, the activation of the "difference" occurs! Contrast! You can always find something that "we do not like them"! In this way the interested ones manipulate the society! As an example - Kossovo! There Albanian nationalism was in hibernation, the Kosovars lived according to their tribal and communal concepts. General Kosovar nationalism did not exist. But Serbs are traditionally nationalists! As a result of their some unreasonable actions, Albanian nationalism was aroused! He, for his part, caused an exacerbation in Serbian nationalism, and so on a spiraling spiral until the tragedy!
        I personally know many Bulgarian Turks who love Bulgaria even more than I do! Sometimes I even feel ashamed when I see Bulgarians nichilists and rootless people, and next to them are Turks and Gypsies who are proud that their Motherland is Bulgaria!
        If politicians don't shit, people will live in peace and mutual respect, as they did most of the time! And it doesn't matter who is by faith or ethnicity, the country is one, our Motherland! The best for us, because the Lord / Allah / each of us was planted and raised there! hi
    5. Renator
      Renator 26 November 2020 15: 11
      0
      Quote: pytar
      5. The revival process had a completely legal basis! In fact, a nationwide regulatory naming system was introduced! Such systems exist in many countries, for example in France, and in Turkey itself, a citizen must have a Turkish-Islamic name! For example, footballers playing in Turkish clubs and adopting Turkish citizenship will be renamed!


      Didn't have it for sure! Bai Tosho simply destroyed generations!
      1. pytar
        pytar 26 November 2020 18: 25
        +2
        Didn't have it for sure! Bai Tosho simply destroyed generations!

        There was a legal basis, in Turkey, too! There will always be a law, but that is not the point! The totalitarian clique did what it wanted with people! Bai Tosho, like all similar party leaders, had almost unbreakable power! More than 200 thousand. Bulgarians were repressed after 1945 for political reasons! Any discontent was brutally suppressed! The revival process was carried out in the same vein, people had to carry out unquestioningly, and for the dissatisfied there is Gulagi! Many Bulgarians, according to my observations of the majority, did not perceive the "revival process", they considered it wrong, stupid, but it was impossible to argue with the Party! After 1990, the National Assembly passed a law declaring the Communist regime criminal! Since the beginning of democracy, our Turks have been represented in the Parliament, and all rights are citizens of the Republic of Bulgaria! They occupy leadership positions, even it was vice versa! hi And the "revival processes" will remain in history as one of the multitudes of transgressions committed by the BKP! hi
    6. Korsar4
      Korsar4 26 November 2020 15: 14
      +4
      From the experience of communicating with Bulgarian colleagues: it is the third point (demographic) that worries most of all.

      The question arises - what then?
      1. pytar
        pytar 26 November 2020 19: 13
        +3
        From the experience of communicating with Bulgarian colleagues: it is the third point (demographic) that worries most of all.

        At present, Bulgaria has only 2 problems: the demographic crisis and corruption. Wallpapers are a threat to the very existence of the state! All the rest are little things and are solved more or less successfully!
        The question arises - what then?

        All over the world the "Bella race" lurks ... No one has yet found a solution to this problem! As for Bulgaria, due to the lack of a rational one, we can turn to the irrational - Vanga said that the Bulgarians were waiting for us trials, but let us be healthy and Bulgaria will continue to develop successfully! We have experienced far more dire threats throughout our centuries of history! Neither fire nor water, we are not afraid!
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 26 November 2020 20: 34
          +1
          For Russia, the words of Seraphim of Sarov are memorable: "The Lord will have mercy on Russia, and will lead her through suffering to great glory."

          But you are right, this is rather an irrational decision than arising from the logic of events.
          1. pytar
            pytar 26 November 2020 21: 54
            +4
            For Russia, the words of Seraphim of Sarov are memorable: "The Lord will have mercy on Russia, and will lead her through suffering to great glory."

            Our peoples are not ideal, there are all kinds of people among us, but if we think with exoteric concepts, Russian people, and there next to and болгарский, the sacrifices of martyrdom were cast away, the Saints who sit near the Lord! I have no doubt that both Russia and Bulgaria, being two parts of one whole civilizational space, will rise, and will remain until the Sun is shining and the Earth is spinning!
            But you are right, this is rather an irrational decision than arising from the logic of events.

            In the history of our countries, a lot of things happened in no other way to explain it! In the most desperate, critical moments, some kind of Miracle happened and everything changed!
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 26 November 2020 22: 06
              +3
              Probably. At least for more than a millennium, Cyril and Methodius, and Clement of Ohridsky have been in our common memory.
    7. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 26 November 2020 15: 45
      +6
      The article was written)) good
      1. pytar
        pytar 26 November 2020 22: 00
        +4
        The article was written))

        Probably I can write a article 3 times longer than that of a respected author, I remember so many things, not immediately of course. For example, somewhere it was noticed that the USSR was not aware of it. Not true! During the confrontation between the OVD and NATO, the large Turkish nationality in Bulgaria was viewed as dangerous for the OVD! Moreover, there was an absolute understanding that the Turkish subversive activities in the territory of Bulgaria are increasing from year to year! The USSR fully supported Zhivkov's actions, everything was agreed in advance with Moscow! When, as a result of the "revival process", relations between Bulgaria and Turkey were aggravated to the extreme, and thousands of rallies were held in Ankara under the slogan "on tanks to Sofia", the Internal Affairs Department issued an official statement warning Turkey! The strong support of the Department of Internal Affairs and Moscow for Bulgaria chilled the hot Turkish heads! ATS was then POWER! hi
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 26 November 2020 22: 22
          +1
          I read that even the Bulgarian troops were put on alert there
          1. pytar
            pytar 26 November 2020 23: 35
            +4
            The Turkish army went into combat readiness, the Bulgarian, too, in response!
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 27 November 2020 00: 06
              0
              Even so ... a NATO country against an ATS country ... everything could have ended badly, and for the whole world smile
  • Undecim
    Undecim 26 November 2020 13: 31
    +4
    In vain the author took up this topic. With all due respect to Ryzhov - the issue of the national policy of the Balkan countries, in which the regional systems of the Middle East, Eurasia and Europe came into direct contact, where the religious systems of Islam, and Christianity, Orthodoxy and Catholicism entered into contact, it is so complicated that amateurs simply do not belong.
    1. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 14: 39
      +3
      Quote: Undecim
      In vain the author took up this topic.

      Depending on what goals he pursued. in this case, it seems to me, the goals of enlightenment have again faded into the background for Valery. Here the question is posed, rather, in general terms: how within the framework of one state, even as small as Bulgaria, to representatives of not just different ethnic groups, but different civilizations.
      I saw the main premise of the author in the fact that violent acculturation (in this particular case, "slandering" the Turks) does not lead to anything good either for those or for others. As a result, the process of assimilation is not accelerated, but on the contrary, it slows down; moreover, powerful prerequisites are created for a reaction in the form of dissimilation, with the onset of at least some favorable circumstances. By the way, I am ready to agree with this.
      The very history of relations between Bulgarians and Turks, especially its nuances and subtleties, especially religious ones, is indeed a complex topic and boring for a wide readership.
      On the other hand, a certain category of citizens immediately aroused with cries like "it was necessary to finish off immediately."
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 26 November 2020 14: 51
        +6
        There, in every country there are similar problems that have been dragging on for centuries and have not been resolved to this day. The former Yugoslavia, Turkey, Greece, Bulgaria have long been pursuing a consistent and tough policy in relation to the national minorities that remained in their territories after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. The Romanians have a similar problem with the Hungarians of Transylvania. Just two years ago, the Romanian prime minister promised to outweigh the Hungarians of Transylvania if they continue to struggle for autonomy. And those who cry, who are sorrowful in their minds, are legion of them.
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 15: 15
          +4
          Yes, the Balkans is a kind of region, where the population has a very good historical memory, though often selective. At one time, before traveling to Montenegro, I tried to find out more information about the places where I was going so that it would not be boring there, and willy-nilly delved into history. This is complete darkness. It is impossible to understand this tangle of Greco-Albanian-Serbo-Croatian-Macedonian-Bulgarian-Hungarian-Romanian-Turkish contradictions. You need to spend your life on this and then, not the fact that enough is enough.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 26 November 2020 15: 19
            +7
            I lived and worked for two years in Bulgaria and almost a year in Macedonia. I communicated with different social groups, I had to lead rather large teams in which all these problems took place. And each of the parties has its own rights.
            Therefore, I had to somehow look for compromises. It is even difficult to imagine when everything will settle down.
          2. vladcub
            vladcub 26 November 2020 16: 22
            +4
            Misha, I'm afraid that the Balkans themselves cannot figure it out. Probably, the Lord did not overlook or left such a tangle of people?
            1. Trilobite Master
              Trilobite Master 26 November 2020 16: 55
              +5
              Quote: vladcub
              the inhabitants of the Balkans cannot figure it out

              They understand and understand well. As I say, their historical memory is excellent, much better than ours. Only each of them understands there in his own way. sad
    2. gsev
      gsev 26 November 2020 21: 02
      +3
      Quote: Undecim
      In vain the author took up this topic.

      The question is facing both Russia and Europe. And this is not only a national issue. As far as I know, in Russia, the highly educated part of the population has the lowest birth rate, regardless of nationality. This problem in the future will provoke the inevitable degradation of the Russian state.
      The worst thing is if an unresolved problem is prohibited from discussing the problem and finding a solution. Sooner or later, everything will worsen and the silence will be broken by the crisis that occurred because of an unresolved problem.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 26 November 2020 21: 06
        0
        The worst thing is if a ban on discussing the problem is imposed on an unsolved problem
        And where did you see the calls to ban the discussion?
        Only information for discussion should come from an informed, qualified and knowledgeable source, about which, in fact, my comment.
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 27 November 2020 17: 37
          0
          V.N., your opponent probably has a different view of events and your mistakes
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 26 November 2020 14: 04
    +1
    The Bulgarians had to bring this to mind. Here Suvorov Alexander Vasilyevich understood how to deal with the Turks. I am amazed that our women watch some kind of Turkish TV series, and our people for some reason go to Turkish resorts. There is nothing for a Russian person to do there, and after the shooting down of the Su-24, all the more so, of course, no one will start a war over an old plane and two dead, but everyone could show personal conscience and punish the Turks with a lyre.

    Unlike the United States, which is just an enemy for us, Turkey is our enemy, it can in some cases be a situational ally, and our strength forces it to abide by agreements, but hundreds of years of wars in which we smashed them to smithereens do not pass.
    1. gsev
      gsev 26 November 2020 21: 04
      0
      Quote: EvilLion
      and our people for some reason go to Turkish resorts.

      For a friend, a week in Turkey is the only bright spot in a year. In Russia, there are only problems in the service and in life.
  • vladcub
    vladcub 26 November 2020 14: 26
    +6
    Comrades, welcome. Thank you Valery for your work. There is something to read and talk about.
  • vladcub
    vladcub 26 November 2020 14: 49
    +3
    Quote: pytar
    Hello, to all readers and the author, dear V.A. Ryzhky! hi I was a direct participant in the events described in the article and promised that I would give a comment on the topic! So...

    1.In addition to one article in Russian:
    https://riafan.ru/695903-kak-tureckie-ekstremisty-ubivali-bolgarskih-detei-pri-podderzhke-evrosoyuza

    2. Turkey, no matter how relations developed with the Balkan countries and specifically with Bulgaria, has never abandoned its expansionist goals!! As one familiar Istanbul professor told me - "when we / Turks / look to Europe from Istanbul, we see ... Vienna ... You / the Balkans / are not on this way, do not exist ..."Bulgaria, due to its geographical location, is the key to the door of the Balkans and to Europe for the Turks!

    During the existence of the Department of Internal Affairs, Turkey could not go for a direct occupation of the Bulgarian lands, but believed that it could use the demographic / Islamic factor! It was believed that "Bulgaria itself will fall in the nails of the Turks"! Shortly before the beginning of the Revival process, the eggs of medical workers of the Turkish ethnic group were discovered, who in maternity hospitals put other actions in Bulgarian babies, causing infertility in adulthood. There was a lawsuit, but then there was no publicity for such things!

    3.By demographics:
    At the same time, the birth rate in Muslim families has traditionally been higher than in Christian ones, and demographers predicted a further increase in the share of Muslims in the country's population.

    In fact, this problem has become acute since the beginning of the 50s. Until that time, the birth rate in the Christian Bulgarian families was even higher than among the Muslim ones. And she is associated with forcible collectivization carried out by the communists, liquidation of the traditionally prolific Bulgarian village, as with the subsequent ten-year erroneous demographic policy led by the communist authorities! From the 50s to the 90s, the population of socialist Bulgaria grew by almost 2,5 million, but the Bulgarian ethnic group itself slightly increased, mainly not due to the birth rate, but due to the increase in life expectancy! The main increase was given by Turks and Gypsies! They bred very actively! Here we must bear in mind that of. the data given out by the Bulgarian communal authorities differ greatly from the real picture! Later studies show a horrifying picture of the depopulation of the Bulgarian ethnic group during the time of socialism! And everyone who lived at that time in Bulgaria saw how the ratio of ethnic groups changed before our very eyes! In fact, under socialism, Bulgaria became Turkic and turned out to be! Socialism has brought about a demographic collapse in a traditional Bulgarian family, and this is one of the most terrible attacks of totalitarian power in Bulgaria!

    4.The origin of the Bulgarian Turks:
    4.1.In the Ottoman Empire, there was a practice, after the expiration of the term of service of the Janissaries, they were given land to the region where they came from. The Ottoman authorities hoped that the janissaries would attract their former relatives, the Christians, to Islam. It is clear that when they settled down, they took as wives from the nearest ethnic communities, that is, from the Bulgarians.
    4.2. The majority of Bulgarian "Turks" are the descendants of ethnic Bulgarians who converted to Islam and have forgotten their origin.
    In a message from 1373, Pope Gregory XI writes to Archbishop Gransky:
    "The wicked infidels, called the Turks, these bitter enemies of the name of Christ and his indomitable persecutors ... conquered and brutally devastated vast territories ... and the Bulgarian kingdom ... as well as other countries of people professing the name of Christ, if schismatics ... Theirs the inhabitants were either brutally exterminated, or taken into miserable slavery, or in some other way placed under the yoke of ill-fated slavery, and some of them, alas, denied the name of Christ. "
    Midhat Pasha - the governor of the Sultan in the Danube province and the grand vizier of the Ottoman Empire in his article "Turkey: past, present, future", published in the French journal "Scientific Review of France and Abroad" 1878, no. 49, p. 1152, writes:
    “There are over a million Muslims among the Bulgarians. This does not include either the Tatars or the Circassians. These Muslims did not come from Asia to settle in Bulgaria, as they usually think. They are the descendants of the very Bulgarians who converted to Islam in the era of conquests and in subsequent years. children of one country, one race and one generation. And among them there is a part that does not speak any language except Bulgarian. "
    The famous English journalist James Boucher, who has lived in Bulgaria for thirty-two years as a correspondent for the Times newspaper, met with a huge number of Bulgarian Muslims and visited the Rhodope and other areas of their residence, wrote the following in his article:
    "The Rhodope Pomaks, or rather the Bulgarians who forcibly converted to Islam in the era of conquests ... have a purer Bulgarian blood than the Bulgarians themselves."
    In the old swinging graves, and now they find buried according to the Mohamedan rite, and on the chest of the deceased ... a cross is put !!!

    5. The revival process had a completely legal basis! In fact, a nationwide regulatory naming system was introduced! Such systems exist in many countries, for example in France, and in Turkey itself, a citizen must have a Turkish-Islamic name! For example, footballers playing in Turkish clubs and adopting Turkish citizenship will be renamed!

    6. Before the beginning of the Renaissance process, relations between ethnic groups in Bulgaria were quite normal, no conflicts on an ethnoreligious basis were observed! Although mixed marriages were and are still rare! The revival process led to aggravation and aroused Turkish-Mohamedan nationalism! As everything that the BKP did and it turned out to be a gross mistake! In the 90s it was recognized as a mistake and there were trials over the former perpetrators in power! Bulgaria has officially apologized to its Turkish citizens.
    Another interesting point is that the Bulgarian Maidan, as a result of which the communist power fell, was not started by the Bulgarians! The rallies, protests in the squares in Sofia in 89, began by the Bulgarian Turks, with demands for the return of names! This was the beginning of the end of totalitarianism in Bulgaria.

    7.In view of the fact that Turkey has always been a direct threat to the very existence of the Bulgarian nation, after the collapse of the ATS, Bulgaria, left without allies and falling into a deep economic and political crisis, was forced to join NATO! This is 14 years after the collapse of the Department of Internal Affairs! Not against Russia, but to defend himself in some way from Turkey! This had an effect for some time, otherwise there would have been bloodsheds like the Kosovars in Bulgaria! The Bulgarians managed to preserve the ethnic peace, now relations between ethnic groups are quite normal, even better than during socialism! But the threat from the side of Erdogan's Turkey is growing, this is a fact and they cannot be ignored! Nowadays, in an endless stream, Turkish serials and chalga / oriental songs and music / are shown on TV channels! It can be seen that someone is very actively funding with propaganda, trying to reformat the Bulgarians! But this will not succeed, the Bulgarians have a recorded rejection of everything Turkish at the genetic level!

    In this case, the Turks are great: they tried. Hence the question: do the Probes, Macedonians or Montenegrins have the same genetic attitude or are there differences?
    1. pytar
      pytar 26 November 2020 19: 19
      0
      Hence the question: Do Probes, Macedonians or Montenegrins have the same genetic attitude or are there differences?

      I can't say for everyone, but by personal observation, yes. It's just enough for them to look at the ground under their feet and remember how abundantly it was filled with the blood of their ancestors, cut out by the Turks.
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 27 November 2020 17: 33
        +1
        Boyan, and which of them "has a" stronger memory "both in relation to the Turks and in relation to Russia?
        I know that you are honored: Alexander III, Gurko, Skobelev, Stoletov, "Doctor's Square", Count Ignatiev, but what about others? You know better by "neighborly"
  • Senior seaman
    Senior seaman 26 November 2020 14: 58
    +7
    I heard that in Bulgaria the national question (at least with the Gypsies) was tried to be radically resolved immediately after the liberation, but Kaufman did not allow it to roam.
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  • Sergey Oreshin
    Sergey Oreshin 26 November 2020 15: 11
    +4
    Quote: Renator
    You were there when the atrocities were?

    I, you know, and the German atrocities in 1941-1944. I have not seen in the occupied territory of the USSR; was born after the war.
    But that doesn't mean they weren't there
  • Cure72
    Cure72 26 November 2020 15: 16
    +2
    Thanks for the interesting article. Events that were absolutely unknown to me before.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 26 November 2020 15: 28
    0
    First, the mentality of the Bulgarian Turks and Pomaks is different. These are exceptionally hard-working people. Especially in rural areas. It is the Turks and the Pomaks who are engaged in the hardest work - tobacco growing and construction. They are respectable in their own way, they put family and home above all. And they really want to live peacefully and calmly. The ideas of Wahhabism, death for an Islamic idea, a single Islamic state are alien to them, much more interesting for them is prosperity / prosperity /. They realize that a civilized life, the opportunity to work abroad, in Europe, will give them much more than the reactionary ideas of fundamentalism. Moreover, the restitution / return of lands, forests, apartments, houses, shops / made some of them relatively wealthy people. hi
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 26 November 2020 15: 38
    +1
    At one time, the German rulers of this Slavic country, following German interests, fell out with the Russians and began to flirt with the country, from the occupation of which (accompanied by all the Turkish delights - the forcible conversion to Mohammedanism, the capture of girls in harems and periodic bloodletting) they barely with the help of Russian Ivan broke free - with the Ottoman Empire.
    One of the consequences of this course was that the Turks were not evicted from Bulgaria, while the Christian Bulgarians left the Turkish territory completely. Under the socialists, they tried to assimilate the Turks, but under the conditions of atheism, when Orthodoxy was under pressure, Muslims could more easily retain their roots - they did not need services, vestments, or state patronages to preserve their traditions.
    Moreover, with comparatively little participation in industrial development, science and public affairs, avoiding urbanization and engaging in agriculture, the Bulgarian Turks have considerably increased in number.
    Their only contribution, by the way, was sports - the lion's share of the famous Bulgarian wrestlers and weightlifters in Soviet times were the Turks - the Olympic champion Naim Shalamanov, for example (who later spoke for his real homeland under the real name of Syuleimanoglu). laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 26 November 2020 15: 45
    0
    Nowadays, the Turks are the most prosperous and growing ethnic group in Bulgaria, if the Bulgarians themselves have a demographic decline and all the achievements of this country in the economy, sports and science have become a memory, and in fact, Bulgaria has become a European pygmy and a backwater, then the Turks, who receive everything possible from their ancestral homeland benefits and support, the Bulgarians have become more prosperous. Moreover, having demolished at one time almost all cathedrals and churches in Bulgaria, and forced them to pray in dugouts themselves, the Turks now, taking advantage of European carelessness and permissiveness, build up this country with mosques, as it was during their yoke in the Balkans. Using democracy, the corrupt sons of Asia are pushing a colossal number of fellow tribesmen into parliament, far exceeding their already considerable and constantly growing percentage in the country. The Bulgarians, who, seeing the current situation, are trying to take action, are immediately accused of chauvinism and extremism. PS When someone says: jihad, jihad, they are advancing, then for some reason everyone thinks that we are talking about the unfortunate Afghans who, sitting in the mountains , fight off countless invasions, or, in extreme cases, see Chechen militias or Arab monsters with grenade launchers and towels on their heads. Real aggression, with advancement and continuous strengthening, is being waged by Turkey. This is the most effective jihad, the most cautious and thoughtful, and, interestingly, the Europeans like it, because they actively support it. The reason for this is that this jihad is accompanied by the undermining of the Slavic peoples, which did not arouse any sympathy among the Western countries during the Cold War. Having looked at the map of their settlement, I did not find, except for Kardzhali, a continuous animal region.
    But they live diffusely everywhere, in the Rhodope Mountains, in the seaside, and in the Danube region. I think that they will wait a long time and eat Bulgaria entirely.
    Sachala there will be more and more of them, attempts to deport them will encounter resistance from Europeans and siblings Turkey, until they become the majority or elect the Turkish government. Then federation with other Turks and with Bosnian Albanians.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 26 November 2020 15: 47
    -4
    Bulgaria is a country of Turks, who were forcibly converted to Orthodoxy and they were Slavicized in language. Orthodoxy is the enemy of the Turks. Bulgarian fascists, led by the chief communist scum Todor Zhivkov, carried out a total violation of the rights of the Turkish minority in Bulgaria in the 80s of the last century, having the audacity to change the names of the Turks to Christian ones. Bulgarians carried out ethnic cleansing, driving out Muslims from Bulgaria. For many centuries, the Turks did not do anything like this with the Bulgarians in the Ottoman Empire. Turks did not close churches, did not force Bulgarians to convert to Islam. Yes, the Turks resisted the policy of forced Bulgarianization during the period of Todor Zhivkov. But now, in the post-Zhivka period, why is there no Turkish aggression in Bulgaria? Because there are no anti-Turkish actions. So, no need to blame a sick head on a healthy one. Bulgaria was created by the Turks, and therefore we have the right to a Turkic Bulgaria. So it will be, the Turkic revenge has begun. Azerbaijani Hasanli. Azerbaijan. laughing
    1. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 26 November 2020 16: 50
      +3
      You are a "hero" fighting a collapsed system.
      You yourself live in BULGARIA and see what you write or read about, somewhere.? I suggest asking your Bulgarian colleagues. There are at least 2 of them
      1. pytar
        pytar 26 November 2020 18: 32
        +5
        Questionnaire GF, very productive wherever there is a topic about Bulgaria! Most of his Bulgarianophobic writings have no foundation at all. I personally decided not to pay attention to this character. Background noise ... nothing special ... hi
  • vladcub
    vladcub 26 November 2020 16: 15
    +3
    "even reports of hundreds of corpses floating on Duma and Maritza" I heard about these events even at that time. Probably, according to radio reports, I don’t remember voices in our media, but there were conversations: there was ethnic unrest in Bulgaria, terrorist attacks began. Now, thanks to Boyan and Valery, I know more specifically
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 26 November 2020 17: 55
    0
    Quote: Astra wild2
    You are a "hero" fighting a collapsed system.
    You yourself live in BULGARIA and see what you write or read about, somewhere.? I suggest asking your Bulgarian colleagues. There are at least 2 of them

    yeah, "smart comment laughing "Ask, they will tell you how it really was laughing
    1. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 26 November 2020 20: 09
      +1
      Who better to know the internal life of the country: the residents themselves or us?
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 26 November 2020 17: 57
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    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    Quote: Astra wild2
    You are a "hero" fighting a collapsed system.
    You yourself live in BULGARIA and see what you write or read about, somewhere.? I suggest asking your Bulgarian colleagues. There are at least 2 of them

    yeah, "smart comment laughing "Ask, they will tell you how it really was laughing
    Better to deal with a Turk than with such "relatives" Ugh on them. laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 26 November 2020 18: 21
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    Quote: vladcub
    Quote: pytar
    Hello, to all readers and the author, dear V.A. Ryzhky! hi I was a direct participant in the events described in the article and promised that I would give a comment on the topic! So...

    1.In addition to one article in Russian:
    https://riafan.ru/695903-kak-tureckie-ekstremisty-ubivali-bolgarskih-detei-pri-podderzhke-evrosoyuza

    2. Turkey, no matter how relations developed with the Balkan countries and specifically with Bulgaria, has never abandoned its expansionist goals!! As one familiar Istanbul professor told me - "when we / Turks / look to Europe from Istanbul, we see ... Vienna ... You / the Balkans / are not on this way, do not exist ..."Bulgaria, due to its geographical location, is the key to the door of the Balkans and to Europe for the Turks!

    During the existence of the Department of Internal Affairs, Turkey could not go for a direct occupation of the Bulgarian lands, but believed that it could use the demographic / Islamic factor! It was believed that "Bulgaria itself will fall in the nails of the Turks"! Shortly before the beginning of the Revival process, the eggs of medical workers of the Turkish ethnic group were discovered, who in maternity hospitals put other actions in Bulgarian babies, causing infertility in adulthood. There was a lawsuit, but then there was no publicity for such things!

    3.By demographics:
    At the same time, the birth rate in Muslim families has traditionally been higher than in Christian ones, and demographers predicted a further increase in the share of Muslims in the country's population.

    In fact, this problem has become acute since the beginning of the 50s. Until that time, the birth rate in the Christian Bulgarian families was even higher than among the Muslim ones. And she is associated with forcible collectivization carried out by the communists, liquidation of the traditionally prolific Bulgarian village, as with the subsequent ten-year erroneous demographic policy led by the communist authorities! From the 50s to the 90s, the population of socialist Bulgaria grew by almost 2,5 million, but the Bulgarian ethnic group itself slightly increased, mainly not due to the birth rate, but due to the increase in life expectancy! The main increase was given by Turks and Gypsies! They bred very actively! Here we must bear in mind that of. the data given out by the Bulgarian communal authorities differ greatly from the real picture! Later studies show a horrifying picture of the depopulation of the Bulgarian ethnic group during the time of socialism! And everyone who lived at that time in Bulgaria saw how the ratio of ethnic groups changed before our very eyes! In fact, under socialism, Bulgaria became Turkic and turned out to be! Socialism has brought about a demographic collapse in a traditional Bulgarian family, and this is one of the most terrible attacks of totalitarian power in Bulgaria!

    4.The origin of the Bulgarian Turks:
    4.1.In the Ottoman Empire, there was a practice, after the expiration of the term of service of the Janissaries, they were given land to the region where they came from. The Ottoman authorities hoped that the janissaries would attract their former relatives, the Christians, to Islam. It is clear that when they settled down, they took as wives from the nearest ethnic communities, that is, from the Bulgarians.
    4.2. The majority of Bulgarian "Turks" are the descendants of ethnic Bulgarians who converted to Islam and have forgotten their origin.
    In a message from 1373, Pope Gregory XI writes to Archbishop Gransky:
    "The wicked infidels, called the Turks, these bitter enemies of the name of Christ and his indomitable persecutors ... conquered and brutally devastated vast territories ... and the Bulgarian kingdom ... as well as other countries of people professing the name of Christ, if schismatics ... Theirs the inhabitants were either brutally exterminated, or taken into miserable slavery, or in some other way placed under the yoke of ill-fated slavery, and some of them, alas, denied the name of Christ. "
    Midhat Pasha - the governor of the Sultan in the Danube province and the grand vizier of the Ottoman Empire in his article "Turkey: past, present, future", published in the French journal "Scientific Review of France and Abroad" 1878, no. 49, p. 1152, writes:
    “There are over a million Muslims among the Bulgarians. This does not include either the Tatars or the Circassians. These Muslims did not come from Asia to settle in Bulgaria, as they usually think. They are the descendants of the very Bulgarians who converted to Islam in the era of conquests and in subsequent years. children of one country, one race and one generation. And among them there is a part that does not speak any language except Bulgarian. "
    The famous English journalist James Boucher, who has lived in Bulgaria for thirty-two years as a correspondent for the Times newspaper, met with a huge number of Bulgarian Muslims and visited the Rhodope and other areas of their residence, wrote the following in his article:
    "The Rhodope Pomaks, or rather the Bulgarians who forcibly converted to Islam in the era of conquests ... have a purer Bulgarian blood than the Bulgarians themselves."
    In the old swinging graves, and now they find buried according to the Mohamedan rite, and on the chest of the deceased ... a cross is put !!!

    5. The revival process had a completely legal basis! In fact, a nationwide regulatory naming system was introduced! Such systems exist in many countries, for example in France, and in Turkey itself, a citizen must have a Turkish-Islamic name! For example, footballers playing in Turkish clubs and adopting Turkish citizenship will be renamed!

    6. Before the beginning of the Renaissance process, relations between ethnic groups in Bulgaria were quite normal, no conflicts on an ethnoreligious basis were observed! Although mixed marriages were and are still rare! The revival process led to aggravation and aroused Turkish-Mohamedan nationalism! As everything that the BKP did and it turned out to be a gross mistake! In the 90s it was recognized as a mistake and there were trials over the former perpetrators in power! Bulgaria has officially apologized to its Turkish citizens.
    Another interesting point is that the Bulgarian Maidan, as a result of which the communist power fell, was not started by the Bulgarians! The rallies, protests in the squares in Sofia in 89, began by the Bulgarian Turks, with demands for the return of names! This was the beginning of the end of totalitarianism in Bulgaria.

    7.In view of the fact that Turkey has always been a direct threat to the very existence of the Bulgarian nation, after the collapse of the ATS, Bulgaria, left without allies and falling into a deep economic and political crisis, was forced to join NATO! This is 14 years after the collapse of the Department of Internal Affairs! Not against Russia, but to defend himself in some way from Turkey! This had an effect for some time, otherwise there would have been bloodsheds like the Kosovars in Bulgaria! The Bulgarians managed to preserve the ethnic peace, now relations between ethnic groups are quite normal, even better than during socialism! But the threat from the side of Erdogan's Turkey is growing, this is a fact and they cannot be ignored! Nowadays, in an endless stream, Turkish serials and chalga / oriental songs and music / are shown on TV channels! It can be seen that someone is very actively funding with propaganda, trying to reformat the Bulgarians! But this will not succeed, the Bulgarians have a recorded rejection of everything Turkish at the genetic level!

    In this case, the Turks are great: they tried. Hence the question: do the Probes, Macedonians or Montenegrins have the same genetic attitude or are there differences?

    Who do they hate more Turks or us? laughing
    In 2011, Bulgaria experienced events unheard of in the entire democratic world. On September 7, Bulgaria celebrated the centenary of the birth of Todor Zhivkov. It was not at all a narrow gathering of two or three dozen "fanatics". Thousands of people from all over the country gathered in his hometown of Pravets. A demonstration took place under the slogan “20 years without Todor. Hour by hour is not easier. " Speeches were heard, a wreath offering, an exhibition, songs, dances, a rich meal were organized, and in general an exemplary cultural event took place in the best traditions of developed socialism. The Bulgarian people were having fun, and the US diplomats were quietly sad. No one at the US Embassy could understand how this happened in the seventh year since Bulgaria joined NATO and in the fourth year since the country's accession to the EU.

    The Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov was especially disgusting for the Allies. His position is supposed to yapping at the communists more than anyone else. But he is a Bulgarian politician, he knows well the feelings and desires of his people, he wants people to love him. And he took it, but blurted out: "If we manage to do at least one hundredth of what Todor Zhivkov built for Bulgaria, and what has been done over the years, it would be a huge success for the government. The fact that 20 years after his departure no one forgets him, which shows how much he did. We have been privatizing for 20 years what was built then. " Then this statement went sideways on him, all the media and representatives of all allies from the EU and NATO raised a howl at Borisov. Borisov repented and made excuses for a long time, but everyone understood that on September 7 he had said what the entire Bulgarian people thought.
    1. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 26 November 2020 20: 20
      +1
      Forgive me, but I do not see ANYTHING bad that people remember Zhivkov.
      WE ARE ALL from the USSR, we grew up and studied there and were happy. The Bulgarians are the same.
      After all, you were also born in the USSR?
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 26 November 2020 18: 25
    0
    It should be understood that if a slanderer is from Bulgaria, then he slanders either for money or because of his personal hormonal problems. There is no third. Bulgarians are not Poles, not Georgians and not Balts. We understand how difficult it is, but listening to the Bulgarian slanderers, we must remain calm. You cannot swear, threaten and escalate tension. We must look the slanderer in the eyes and quietly ask him: "Brother, why are you doing this? For Georgy Ivanov and Alexander Alexandrov? For Antarctica? For Kozloduy and Neftokhim? For all the factories built and planes donated?"
  • Antifreeze
    Antifreeze 26 November 2020 18: 39
    +16
    I join the previous speakers - a very interesting cycle good good We look forward to continuing yes
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 26 November 2020 18: 45
    +3
    The "revival" process is an integral part of the whole process of restoration of capitalism in Bulgaria. This is a rejection of the departure from the ideals of the Communist Party and its policy towards minorities and a return to bourgeois nationalism and the policy of assimilation to minorities.
    As always, nationalism only damaged Bulgaria and the Bulgarian people, but did not make Bulgarians out of the Turks, could not do it, and do not need to do it. He brought only losses to our state and weakened it. We have a great historical experience in national catastrophes thanks to the Great Bulgarian chauvinism.
  • Timofey Charuta
    Timofey Charuta 26 November 2020 19: 51
    +1
    In the 90s I was on a tour in Istanbul and the taxi driver showed in passing the metal hangars in which refugees from Bulgaria were still living.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 26 November 2020 20: 15
    0
    Quote: Astra wild2
    Who better to know the internal life of the country: the residents themselves or us?

    Yes, we know how that don’t care about their problems laughing
    1. alatanas
      alatanas 1 December 2020 15: 10
      0
      If you "don't care" about Bulgarian problems, why do you hang out everywhere, where there is something about Bulgaria?
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 26 November 2020 20: 47
    0
    Quote: Astra wild2
    Forgive me, but I do not see ANYTHING bad that people remember Zhivkov.
    WE ARE ALL from the USSR, we grew up and studied there and were happy. The Bulgarians are the same.
    After all, you were also born in the USSR?

    I was born in the USSR, little else I was in the society of the Bulgarian-Soviet "friendship laughing And I observed such that I am ashamed to describe their art at all. laughing They did not love us for the notorious "liberation", which is no longer liberation laughing Who wants to be interactive - try to get into the Bulgarian forum yourself a lot of interesting things about yourself you will learn Bulgaria does nothing to change this situation. On the contrary. Bulgaria's voice in these organizations is one of the most Russophobic. Is this news to you? You are gradually returning to reality from your pink clouds ...
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 November 2020 02: 59
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    Quote: pytar
    Questionnaire GF, very productive wherever there is a topic about Bulgaria! Most of his Bulgarianophobic writings have no foundation at all. I personally decided not to pay attention to this character. Background noise ... nothing special ... hi

    It's funny to read the "Bulgarian" Russophobe pretending to be a friend, there is nothing to blame on the mirror if the mug is crooked. I promise to continue to colorfully describe and honestly convey to Russian citizens the official position of Bulgaria. laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 November 2020 03: 26
    -1
    Quote: pytar
    Questionnaire GF, very productive wherever there is a topic about Bulgaria! Most of his Bulgarianophobic writings have no foundation at all. I personally decided not to pay attention to this character. Background noise ... nothing special ... hi

    Where did your friend Maksimka go, he correctly brought us the policy of the Politburo of the Central Committee laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 November 2020 03: 31
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    Quote: Kostadinov
    The "revival" process is an integral part of the whole process of restoration of capitalism in Bulgaria. This is a rejection of the departure from the ideals of the Communist Party and its policy towards minorities and a return to bourgeois nationalism and the policy of assimilation to minorities.
    As always, nationalism only damaged Bulgaria and the Bulgarian people, but did not make Bulgarians out of the Turks, could not do it, and do not need to do it. He brought only losses to our state and weakened it. We have a great historical experience in national catastrophes thanks to the Great Bulgarian chauvinism.

    Finally, at least ONE sound voice. Bravo. hi
  • VLR
    27 November 2020 10: 29
    +2
    I would like to thank the readers from Bulgaria who positively assessed this article (including in personal messages). I hope not to disappoint you in the next one, which is called "The Great Excursion" of the Bulgarian Turks in 1989 and the Situation of Muslims in Modern Bulgaria ". I also hope that articles about Serbs, Montenegrins, Macedonians, Bosnians, Albanians will be interesting.
    1. pytar
      pytar 27 November 2020 12: 30
      +2
      Thank you for the great work done! The topic is vast, ambiguous, poorly covered in Russian-language resources! The most important thing in the compilation of materials, I consider obedience, impartiality of presentation of facts! Looking forward to your next posts! Good luck! good
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 27 November 2020 17: 08
        -1
        Boyan,: "objectivity and non-bias" is the MOST IMPORTANT thing for every historian
  • Captain45
    Captain45 27 November 2020 12: 36
    0
    It’s like Eva, but in 1982-88, on political information, which at that time was held regularly on Thursdays, neither in the technical school, nor in the army, nor in the police, where he worked after demobilization, nothing was said about these events. In principle, after 1985, already in the USSR there were enough conflicts on ethnic grounds from Alma-Ata in 1986 and then, like in a fairy tale, the longer, the worse.
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 27 November 2020 17: 15
      0
      So I'm not mistaken that our media is silent about this. Western radio stations reported about this, and we talked about, but dully and not for long. Perhaps, the country began "merriment" and there was no time for Bulgaria.
  • Pavlos Melas
    Pavlos Melas 27 November 2020 16: 52
    +1
    It should be noted that in the Balkans, only Albanians do not divide themselves along religious lines. The Bulgarians have Pomaks, it seems, Bulgarians but of the "wrong" religion, the Serbs have Bosnians, we had Vaalades and Turkish critics. Unfortunately it is a load of history that haunts the Balkans and the Balkan peoples.
  • alatanas
    alatanas 1 December 2020 13: 57
    -1
    the carriage of the Burgas-Sofia train was blown up, in which only women and children were found: 7 people died (including 2 children)

    It was a specialized carriage for mothers with small children and the terrorists knew this very well. The explosion was supposed to occur in the tunnel, but the train passed it and the bomb exploded at the entrance to the station.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 1 December 2020 15: 12
    0
    Quote: alatanas
    If you "don't care" about Bulgarian problems, why do you hang out everywhere, where there is something about Bulgaria?

    Ime for a sin over the wretched postebatsya. It's funny how "they" discuss our problems laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 1 December 2020 16: 54
    0
    All this time, the Turkish authorities have been convincing their compatriots in Bulgaria that in their historical homeland they will be greeted with all cordiality and will provide any assistance in settling in a new place. In large cities, rallies were held, at which one could see posters with inscriptions like "To Sofia - on tanks" belay When the euphoria passed, the Bulgarian Muslims were unpleasantly surprised by the archaic nature of public relations in Turkey, the citizens of this country were shocked by the secularity and relaxedness of the "guests", especially women, whose clothes and behavior seemed absolutely indecent to many. It is curious that the spread of women's shorts and short skirts in this country is associated with the appearance of the Bulgarian Muslims in Turkey. Also characteristic are the nicknames that the local residents then gave to the visiting “brothers”: “Bulgarians” and “infidels.” On August 21, 1989, the Turks could not stand it and closed the entrance to their territory. Many researchers cite socio-economic considerations as the main reason: Turkey's budget was bursting at the seams, local irritation against newcomers was growing, who, in turn, expressed their dissatisfaction more and more loudly. Information about the real situation of the Bulgarian settlers was already beginning to leak into the press, and this negatively affected the international image of Turkey. But there is an opinion that the Turkish authorities decided to close the borders, realizing that they were losing the notorious "Fifth Column", and with it - the opportunity to influence the situation in Bulgaria. Soon the reverse process of the return of disappointed Turks to Bulgaria began, and they turned out to be more than 183 thousand people. Since the Turkish authorities issued tourist visas for them at the entrance for a period of three months, and more than half then returned back, this tragic exodus of the Bulgarian Turks was given a strange and a little funny name "Great excursion". After Bulgaria's accession to the European Union, the Turks who made the "Great Tour" got an unexpected bonus: since they did not renounce Bulgarian citizenship, now they show a Bulgarian passport when entering other European countries, and in Turkey they use a local one. laughing In terms of living standards, Bulgaria in 1989 ranked 3rd in the CMEA and 27th in the world (after 10 years of reforms and movement along the capitalist path of development - already 96th). At that time 97% of Bulgarian citizens had their own house or a separate apartment, while in the USA only 50%. And the policy of the authorities towards Muslim Turks among Orthodox Christians did not cause much outrage, especially after the start of the terrorist attacks. Therefore, “environmental activists” were raised to fight Zhivkov. The first anti-government protests were organized in 1987-1988. in the city of Ruse (which, by the way, is called "Little Vienna" and "the most aristocratic city in Bulgaria"). The most interesting thing is that the chlorine plant, against whose activities they protested, was located in Romania - in the city of Giurge. And it was difficult to imagine how the Bulgarian authorities could close it. Break diplomatic relations with Romania? Or declare war on her? laughing