The Syrian military refutes claims about the destruction of the air defense regiment with the Pantsir-S air defense missile system by the Israeli Air Force

The Syrian military is commenting on materials that have appeared in the media environment and related to an air strike on Syrian territory. The point is that aviation "Unknown state" struck the area of ​​the city of Abu Kemal on the border of the SAR and Iraq. According to the so-called Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR), the target of the strike was armed pro-Iranian units that were crossing the Iraqi-Syrian border.

Recall that SOHR announced "the most likely Israeli origin of the aircraft that struck."

In the Chinese press, without reference to sources, it is stated that during the next strike on Syrian territory, the Israeli Air Force allegedly destroyed the entire 51st Air Defense Regiment of the armed forces of the Syrian Arab Republic. The message states that “the Pantsir-S air defense missile defense system recently acquired in Russia was also destroyed. At the same time, it was noted that the strike was delivered on November 19. These materials were replicated by many information resources, including individual media in Russia and Ukraine.

Syrian military sources refute claims of "the complete destruction of the air defense regiment as a result of a massive airstrike." It is noted that the regiment continues to carry out combat duty in the territories entrusted to it. At the same time, the information that "foreign aviation assets were attacking the infrastructure in the Abu Kemal region" was confirmed.

The Israeli side does not officially comment on any of these statements.

Comments

[silverwolf88]

like flies here and there rumors go home ... and toothless old women carry them to minds ... this is practically an epigraph to the news)))

[Civil]

The Chinese can be trusted, the Ukrainian is unlikely

[lucul]

The Chinese can be trusted, the Ukrainian is unlikely

Yeah, and right on the border with Iraq, the Pantsir was installed))) We were not going to fight with Iraq))).
Ordinary duck.

[Retvizan 8]

I agree with you! I read the article and my brain started melting a little!
On the one hand: "the 51st air defense regiment of the SAR was destroyed" ... on the other hand: "the target of the strike were armed pro-Iranian detachments that crossed the Iraqi-Syrian border" ...
The source of information is generally a fairy tale: "the Chinese wrote without reference to the source of information" ...
And "the cherry on the cake":
"The Israeli side does not officially comment on any of these statements" ...
The rest will be completed by our fevered imagination ...

[newcomer]

Oh, and goes to the poor "Shell" because of unfair competition and envy. So he's really good!

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: newbie

Oh, and goes to the poor "Shell" because of unfair competition and envy. So he's really good

Yes, every three times EVERYTHING issued and sold abroad was destroyed ... Tracing paper from the training manual ... I remember that all the Russian "Armats" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were burned in Donbass. Well, the squadrons of horse divers from Buryatia. Everything!!!
In general, if the constant watch is not organized, or the crews stand for prayer 5 times a day, abandoning combat posts, not counting smoke breaks and cups of coffee, no equipment, except fully automatic, will survive ...

[_Ugene_]

Yes, every three times EVERYTHING issued and sold abroad were destroyed.

in fact, there are quite a lot of reliable videos with the destruction of shells, it's silly to dispute them

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: _Ugene_

in fact, there are quite a lot of reliable videos with the destruction of shells, it's silly to dispute them

Yes, no one disputes ... just on the basis of these videos they say about the "complete unsuitability of the Shells" ... I was shocked by one video. The Shell stands in the stowed position. On absolutely bare concrete. The crew smokes on the sidelines. At the last moment, someone from the crew rushes to the Shell ... Well, in such conditions, you can destroy the shell as much as you like ...

[_Ugene_]

you can't argue with that, but that's another question - why are they being destroyed, but the fact that quite a lot was destroyed is confirmed by facts, perhaps you need to approach the issue of teaching buyers tactics of use more carefully, otherwise you can completely ruin your reputation

[Alexey RA]

Quote: _Ugene_

perhaps you need to approach the issue of teaching buyers tactics of application more carefully, otherwise you can completely ruin your reputation

The place is damned! ©
How many times have the Syrians and Egyptians been taught during the Union. They even sent their own advisors and entire subdivisions. And all is not in the horse feed.

[_Ugene_]

Well, right, there are Jews nearby, how many weapons do not supply everything to a pointless, we cannot compete with the states in this matter, the budget is not the same, which means the result will always be about the same

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

One video shocked me. The Shell stands in the stowed position. On absolutely bare concrete.

And not only you.
Stands on bare concrete at the airport, shot all the ammunition at a target that did not want to be shot down, and when it was left empty, he would receive a response, they forgot to warn that this was not a parade. If he had been taught differently, he would not have stood like "three poplars on Plyushchikha", without cover.
Today, after Karabakh, everyone understood that today the battle is being fought differently.
It is not enough to sell weapons, and say they do not know how to fight, you also need to teach how to fight correctly. To drive "Armor" to the runway, shoot and stay waiting, it's just stupidity, not only calculation, but also the one who taught them this.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

It is not enough to sell weapons, and to say they do not know how to fight, it is also necessary to teach how to fight correctly. Drive "Armor" to the runway, shoot and wait, it's just stupidity, not only calculation, but also the one who taught them this

That's not what they were taught. But ... They write the rules for themselves ... Psychology. Features of the national character. And absolute fatalism. All by the will of Allah ... That is why they do not value their lives ... And the rules that some kafirs invented are for them ...

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

This is not what they were taught

But the one who sells understands that the next time they will not buy, or "after me even a deluge."

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

If he had been taught differently, he would not have stood like "three poplars on Plyushchikha", without cover.

And who told you. what were they taught this? Or maybe you think that the Egyptians were taught to scatter from the control cabin of the air defense missile system when the target approached?
Just compare Egypt and Syria to Vietnam. One and the same time. The same complexes (Vietnam is even worse - they were given only C-75). The same mentors. The same training program. And what's the difference in the results.
You can also take Iraq. They had T-72s - they abandoned T-72s. And immediately the hi rose - oh, what a bad Soviet technique. So what? The Iraqis got "Abrams" - they threw "Abrams" too. And after all, the Yankees prepared them conscientiously in order to replace their units with the Iraqis. And everything is useless.

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

But the one who sells understands that the next time they will not buy, or "after me even a deluge."

Pfff ... buy. And they will buy it again. Because the buyer also has no illusions about the training of his military personnel.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Alexey RA

The same systems (Vietnam is even worse - they were given only C-75). The same mentors. The same training program. And what's the difference in the results.

By the way, yes, that's right. Moreover, since the main supplies went through the PRC, the S-125 did not risk it.

Quote: Alexey RA

You can also take Iraq. They had T-72s - they abandoned T-72s. And immediately the hi rose - oh, what a bad Soviet technique. So what? The Iraqis got "Abrams" - they threw "Abrams" too. And after all, the Yankees prepared them conscientiously in order to replace their units with the Iraqis. And everything is useless.

And the Abrams with different Leclercs burn beautifully ...

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

It is not enough to sell weapons, and to say they do not know how to fight, it is also necessary to teach how to fight correctly.

You are of course correct. However, look from the other side - the Saudis seem to have everything the latest, everything they want, and even teach them on purpose - and the result is one to one like the Syrians.
As for Syria, I'll tell you this - when they began to prepare the BTgr of the Syrians according to our statutes and our rules, everything looked very sad in the end.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

It is not enough to sell weapons, and to say they do not know how to fight, it is also necessary to teach how to fight correctly.

Yes, the Saudis demonstrate this simply brilliantly .... Despite all the efforts of the United States, the Saudis "fight" just fine. Despite the fact that Saudi Aramko is hiding behind air defense means, the result is as usual. Single launch - hit. And Karabakh has not discovered anything new here. Everything has been known for a long time.

[Cyril G ...]

Yeah, a lot.
Certainly in Libya - the Turks captured one intact in the hangar, then they took it to a trailer somewhere, the second was covered in the hangar, it burned out badly. These are the two cars that were lost by the Haftar people for certain. The defeat of combat vehicles is either, in principle, not reliable, up to possible. But photographs of the wreckage are not confirmed in principle. Again, of all the known commercials, not a single car was hit while in a combat position.
Further - in Idlib - not a single Armor was reliably destroyed. From the word in general. The Syrians declared confirmation of 2 combat vehicles from artillery fire, subsequently restored.
Well, in opposition to the Jews, 2 Armor was lost reliably, photos of the crumpled BMs subsequently shone ...
Total - 6 Armor was lost by the operators.
Yes, and one must bear in mind in those Palestines there are also such Armor.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Well, in opposition to the Jews, 2 Armor was lost reliably

I understand pride in my weapons, but it does not matter at all how many units of this or that weapon were destroyed. It is important whether the task is completed or not and there are no losses. Everything else is complacency and self-deception. And this is the worst thing.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

I understand the pride in my weaponry

And here is the pride, if I am a principled opponent of the very concept of the ZRPK - did you fundamentally decide not to pay attention to objective data?

Everything else is complacency and self-deception.

That's right, this is exactly what the Israeli Air Force is doing, well, of course, and eyewash, listing dozens of destroyed anti-aircraft missile battalions and batteries of the Syrian Armed Forces ...

I will give you a little hint you have nowhere to retreat, unlike .............. Is the strategy correct in principle? IMHO whether it would be necessary to give information on each operation or, in principle, not to comment on operations against Arabs and Iranians.
By the way, explain to me this question in between things - do you and the Wahhabis now have advice and love?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Cyril G ...

That's right, this is exactly what the Israeli Air Force is doing, well, of course, and eyewash, listing dozens of destroyed anti-aircraft missile battalions and batteries of the Syrian Armed Forces ...

18 November.
Syrian army confirms the strike by the IDF on the air defense batteries (what was there, you can only guess)
Here is one of the very rare messages from the IDF.
The Israel Defense Forces have said that on the night of November 18, Israeli air forces attacked military installations belonging to the Iranian Quds Force and the Syrian army south of Damascus. According to official data, warehouses, headquarters and military complexes, as well as batteries of air defense forces (surface-to-air) were attacked. As highlighted in the IDF statement, the attack was carried out in reply to place explosive devices on the border with Israel.
In general, the standard answer.
Later, reports began to appear that Israel was behind this operation, however, the IDF refrained from comment
Yes, at the very beginning we saw frames and messages, but perhaps later there was an agreement on this issue and all information about the number and type of air defense is received ONLY from foreign media, but not from Israel.

Quote: Cyril G ...

I will give you a little hint you have nowhere to retreat, unlike ..............

And I will add, unlike any other country. And that's a fact. Therefore, any actions are ahead of the curve. Delay is not like, but just death.

Quote: Cyril G ...

Wahhabis nowadays advice and love?

You yourself wrote there is no retreat, who is not an enemy and does not dream of destroying Israel, ready to cooperate.
A simple example.
Hamas and other organizations are considered terrorist in almost every country in Europe, the United States, Canada and Australia.
And Lavrov, accepting them in Moscow, said:
"Dear guests, Dear friends, we are pleased to welcome representatives of the majority, if not all, of the detachments to the meeting in Moscow our Palestinian colleagues (these are those who send missiles not to military facilities, but to residential buildings)
Moscow continues to maintain regular contacts with Hamas leadership at the level of the Russian Foreign Ministry.
Who is the pop, and who is ..........

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

"Dear guests, dear friends, we are glad to welcome at the meeting in Moscow representatives of the majority, if not all, of the detachments of our Palestinian colleagues (these are those who send missiles not to military facilities, but to residential buildings)

I remember the Wahhabis were great in Chechnya, but for some reason they were not carefully called terrorists. Why then would we recognize Hamas as terrorists if we don't have graters with them. And you see, the collective West diligently called the Wahhabis in Chechnya, for example, freedom fighters. How is it all?
Either we must not delve into the colors of a known substance at all, or then it is better to be silent ..

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Why then would we recognize Hamas as terrorists if we don't have graters with them.

You did not notice that Lavrov has been frozen lately, released Maria, given a medal and wrote the text.
And here is what Putin said yesterday:
"Relations with Israel are mutually beneficial and multifaceted. We are meaningful political dialogue. We regularly communicate with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on topical issues of the international, regional agenda, we are constantly in contact. Russia and Israel are united in their determination to preserve the truth about the events of World War II, to oppose attempts to falsify history, oblivion of the memory of the Holocaust martyrs, all victims of Nazism. It is important that cooperation has been established between the specialized structures of our countries in the fight against coronavirus, including the possible supply and production of the Russian vaccine in Israel. "
You have not noticed how the Middle East is changing.
United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Sudan, Qatar with permission and under the control of Israel transfers 17 mil. dollars a month.
And only a certain part of the population of Russia lives in the old Soviet dogmas.

Quote: Cyril G ...

Either we must not delve into the colors of a known substance at all, or then it is better to be silent ..

By and large, no one delves into every action there is a reaction that exceeds the action and it calms.
Well, as for being silent, everyone can express their opinion and it may or may not coincide. From my point of view, this is quite normal.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

And only a certain part of the population of Russia lives in the old Soviet dogmas.

I was talking about something else.

[Cyril G ...]

By the way, you will find here https://lostarmour.info/syria/ many dozens of Syrian anti-aircraft missile batteries and battalions, say, okay !?

[venik]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

In general, if the constant watch is not organized, or the crews stand for prayer 5 times a day, abandoning combat posts, not counting smoke breaks and cups of coffee, no equipment, except fully automatic, will survive ...

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From myself - I will add: even fully automated will not stand: will get bored namaz listen!

[Shahno]

Well, this morning it won't be boring here either.

[aszzz888]

Shahno (Paul)
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Well, this morning it won't be boring here too .. laughing

"You were everywhere, you saw everything!" (C)

At the same time, the information that "The means of foreign aviation struck on infrastructure in the area of ​​Abu Kemal ".

Whose aircraft do not go to the grandmother!

[Deniso]

According to the journalists of the Chinese edition Sina "...
Bugagag)))

[Deniso]

Yeah, the division, they came up with the news themselves, and weed out with joy.

[Sibguest]

"The Chinese press, without reference to the sources, stated ..."
Such "Chinese press" is more and more similar to "British scientists" and other mental (?) Eruptions of a senile Englishwoman.
Although the goal is clear: discrediting Russian weapons in ANY WAY - to praise "their" (the most ridiculous thing), the great Chinese weapon.
China is increasingly reminiscent of the United States in its methods of competitive struggle: if they cannot compete fairly (the product is clearly inferior to the Russian one), they throw mud thinly / thickly.

[Fungus]

The Jews have a tactic of throwing air defense missiles. Therefore, it is necessary to have a well-trained crew of air defense systems. Unfortunately, the Arabs are not very suitable for this crew. Libyan operators of Pantsir caught the target for two minutes. During this time, they can be destroyed ten times.

[Thrifty]

From China, you need to ask for a clevette! These are not just rumors, this is clearly an anti-Russian act by the Chinese media, with the aim of discriminating against Russian weapons in the world arms market! !!

[Ros 56]

Well, since we have separate media and banderlogs, then almost certainly this is bullshit news.

[Abdula]

Here is what sine writes Israel completely destroyed an entire Syrian air defense battalion https://k.sina.cn/article_1300649185_4d8654e102000r5by.html?from=mil and by the way, the Israelis recently destroyed a high-ranking chela from Alqaida in Iranian territory there in Sine look for a publication too, otherwise everything was time write here either their tank turned over, then the missile was missed, well, how do you want an army, well, not what your friends in Karabakh

[CSKA]

Quote: Abdula

Israelis recently killed a high-ranking Chela from Alqaida in Iran

You at least think about the nonsense that you wrote.

[Cyril G ...]

51st Air Defense Regiment of the Armed Forces of the Syrian Arab Republic.

Sho again, so half a year ago, a third of the air defense was destroyed, and before that they caused irreparable damage by destroying dozens of batteries. (like c.) ....
True, there is a photo-video confirmation of only 7-8 units, over the past few years ...

[Krasnodar]

Yes, when the Israelis knew how to fight ... Have you seen their parades? When I started walking in formation, let me learn

[Cyril G ...]

It is of course important to walk in formation.
However, where is Billy's photo? (like c.) Where are the facts?

[Krasnodar]

Photo of what? The Israelis are afraid to take off from their eradroms after the deployment of the S-300 in Syria, and you mean some photos ...

[Cyril G ...]

Photo of the entire burned air defense system of Syria. Air Force Twitter is no longer a cake that was in the doomsday war?

[Krasnodar]

And who pozhzhot that? The ravens bought diapers, they sit under their leaky kumpol and shake, diarrhea does not allow to look in the direction of Syria ... what if some kind of 9M83 will fly over them ...

[sivuch]

Well, why not. many of our compatriots categorically refuse to believe that the same Shells intercepted at least part of the missiles and demanded photographs of the wreckage (they did not even believe the IDF report). Now it is logical to ask about the photographs of the destroyed equipment. It should be dozens of units - in addition to the BM, there are TPM, radar, adjusting machines and a bunch of other things.

[Krasnodar]

Yes, the yavrei moved from fear to Donald Cook for a long time, exactly after the amers left there What photos?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Krasnodar

Yes, the yavrei moved from fear to Donald Cook for a long time, exactly after the amers left there What photos?

I understand that all your messages are the essence of eerie trolling sarcasm ...

[Krasnodar]

Oh no, that you ... I appeal with facts

[Cyril G ...]

This is because he cannot object.

[Krasnodar]

And what is there to object? Is Israel saying something? Did you give specific numbers? Pay attention, all the comments are given by SOHR, the Syrians refute them, the Jews have to do with it? ))

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: sivuch

Now it is logical to ask about the photographs of the destroyed equipment. It should be dozens of units - in addition to the BM, there are TPM, radar, adjusting machines and a bunch of other things.

That is why I am quite logically interested in where these dozens of burnt anti-aircraft missile batteries and battalions are.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Krasnodar

Yes, when the Israelis knew how to fight ... Have you seen their parades? When I started walking in formation, let me learn

And how do they paint the grass? A shame. And how the generals build dachas. Ugh. One word for weaklings and whiners.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Sho again, so half a year ago, a third of the air defense was destroyed, and before that they caused irreparable damage by destroying dozens of batteries.

On the night of February 6, 2020, the S-125M, Buk-M2E, Pantsir-S air defense missile systems were severely damaged or destroyed.
The assumption that it is enough to supply the Syrians with Pantsir-S (Tor, Buk-M2E) anti-aircraft gun missile systems or S-300 air defense systems and all problems with air defense in this state will be resolved hastily. In practice, it has not yet come to the combat use of the S-300, and the score of the "Carapaces" defeated during the previous anti-aircraft battles is already in dozens.

Mikhail Mikhailovich Khodarenok - Russian journalist, military observer
Education: Military Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation
Rank: Colonel
Type of troops: air defense

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

and the score of the "Carapaces" defeated during the previous anti-aircraft battles is already in dozens.

YOU (Israel) have two confirmed victories (defeated Pantsyr), the Turks have one confirmed, and one more captured in Libya and two Pantsyrs are easily confirmed in Idlib. And it's all....

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Cyril G ...

YOU (Israel) have two confirmed victories (defeated Pantsyr),

Does Israel fly there for the "Shell"? They destroy the objects of the ksir, but if anyone interferes, they remove him and no matter what his name is.

[Cyril G ...]

Well, the IRGC is like your problem. And I'm talking about the fact that there is a place to be real - applications for Pantsyr from you and the Turks are about 30-40. but actually 3 are hit and one is captured. And this is FSE. Basta karapuziki. (from.)

The assumption that it is enough to supply the Syrians with Pantsir-S (Tor, Buk-M2E) anti-aircraft gun missile systems or S-300 air defense missile systems, and all problems with air defense in this state will be resolved hastily.

Who was talking such nonsense?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Who was talking such nonsense?

According to the minister, the modern S-300 anti-aircraft missile system will be handed over to the Syrian armed forces within two weeks. The S-300 intercepts air attack weapons at ranges of more than 250 km and can simultaneously engage several air targets.
He also noted that Russia will equip the command posts of the Syrian air defense formations with automated control systems, said Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.
The Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation also said that electronic suppression of satellite navigation, airborne radars and communication systems of military aircraft attacking objects in Syrian territory will be carried out in areas adjacent to Syria over the Mediterranean Sea.
Together with the Soviet systems S-125, S-200, Buk, Kvadrat and Osa they will form the basis of a layered Syrian air defense system, which will be able to cover not only Damascus, but also a number of military bases where Syrian aircraft are stationed and Iranian military instructors, from possible attacks by Israel and the US coalition.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

He also noted that Russia will equip the command posts of the Syrian air defense formations with automated control systems, said Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.

Sometimes, it's me with sarcasm, you need to calculate the situation at least 2-3 steps ahead. And when you talk about 250 km, and it really is, do not forget to add - for high-altitude targets. For low-altitude targets, even with a tower no further than 50-55 km

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Sometimes, it's me with sarcasm, you need to calculate the situation at least 2-3 steps ahead.

Sorry, but there was a clear and clear QUESTION.
Who was talking such nonsense?
I have written, CLEAR and CLEAR ANSWER.
And you are trying to lead you somewhere aside.
And this is because it is necessary to stir up public opinion.
But in fact the following happens.
Today in Syria, Russia and Iran are competing for whom Assad will ultimately marry. But he, as a woman with low social responsibility, changes her partner every time. I hope you understand that Putin does not want to share Syria with anyone.
And in Syria, his interests coincide with those of Israel. Neither the first nor the second needs Iran in Syria.
24 August 2020 year
Vladimir Putin had a telephone conversation with the Prime Minister of the State of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu.
The leaders exchanged views on the Middle East settlement The situation in Syria was examined. Mutual interest was noted in continuing coordination in the Syrian direction
After this conversation, the Israeli Air Force did not launch a single attack on Qesir facilities in Syria to give Russia its plans to restore order, and to support his desires, Assad received $ 1 billion from Putin.
Assad's bro, Tehran-oriented Maer Assad, is in opposition to Russia's decisions and, jointly with Task Force 840, linked to the Iranian Quds Brigade, is responsible for the explosives stationed on the Syrian-Israeli border.
16 November a telephone conversation between Putin and Nataniyahu took place.
President Vladimir Putin had a telephone conversation with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on November 16. This was reported by the Kremlin press service. The parties discussed the situation in the Middle East region. It was agreed to continue contacts at various levels.
If contact is needed, there is contact.
On November 18, Israel launched an air strike on Iranian targets, and on Syrian targets that were glued to them.
November 24 again.
And if you have noticed, not a sound from the Ministry of Defense and the Russian Foreign Ministry.
Do not write off the answer, think, read what is really happening in Syria. That is why they were stuck in Syria for 5 years, "two bears cannot hibernate in one burrow."

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

I have written, CLEAR and CLEAR ANSWER.
And you are trying to lead you somewhere aside.

Why should I be more than specific - sometimes, by the way, it's better to be silent. I'm in the air defense department. Even if you deploy several 2th air defense missile systems (PMU-XNUMX) on the coast and in Damascus, there will be no sense. Syria will not leave the stage of focal air defense in the foreseeable future ...
I quite remember the document of the USSR Ministry of Defense, which more than clearly describes the state of the air defense and air force of Syria. One Point - Killed Me - Syrian Side did not request a transfer to Arabic TO and IE SAM, RTS and LA.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Cyril G ...

on the part of air defense. Even if you deploy several 2th air defense missile systems (PMU-XNUMX) on the coast and in Damascus, there will be no sense.

In general, you are right.

Quote: Cyril G ...

I quite remember the document of the USSR Ministry of Defense, which more than clearly describes the state of the air defense and air force of Syria.

The document is for internal use.
But why should the Minister of Defense of Russia make such statements. In such a tiny country like Israel, immediately after the first failure, a State Commission would have been appointed and the soul would have been shaken out of it, as they are now shaking from Netanyahu.
.

Quote: Cyril G ...

One point - he killed me - the Syrian side did not ask for a translation into Arabic TO and IE of air defense missile systems, RTS and LA.

You admit this or this is an excuse, but we have nothing to do with them so wanted. This is a lost option, I don't understand how you can sell equipment under such conditions.
Everyone knows that Israel is selling UAVs to Azerbaijan.
Israeli defense companies trained Azerbaijani operators, but not only, but also special forces, and built a security system at the Baku airport and at the UAV launch sites.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Do you admit this

In general, I admit - because those Syrians who studied with us knew Russian not badly, and therefore apparently did not pay much attention to this, because these Talmuds are needed primarily by the engineering and technical staff. Again, about the excuse - the characteristics of the export samples were deteriorated and greatly. Of course, I will not give fresh examples - but Osa-ME had 4-8 times (I don’t remember exactly, more than a quarter of a century has passed) less "Liter" combat frequencies of the complex than Osa-M.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

But why should the Minister of Defense of Russia make such statements. In a tiny country like Israel

That's why I wrote -

sometimes, by the way, it's better to be silent.

[sivuch]

and the score of the "Armor" destroyed during the previous anti-aircraft battles is already in dozens
That's right, all the set shells were broken by 2. and some - 3 times.

[Zaurbek]

Given the specifics of the ammunition used against the Shell, It would be a video. Advertising is the engine of trade.

[borberd]

There may be a video, but it is not good to engage in anti-advertising of the weapon of the state with which you are in pretty good relations. Therefore, we will not see the video, even if it is.

[sivuch]

Yah ? Why did this video appear before?

[Danila46]

why go to the same movie ten times? once or twice looked, discussed, made conclusions, and that's it. This is not "Irony of Fate" for you, in fact ...

[sivuch]

So I'm talking about this - where's the new movie?

[borberd]

What for ? What is the proffit? Everyone has already seen Israeli weapons in Karabakh perfectly. The Turks love to pour salt on your wounds. We are not doing this nonsense.

[sivuch]

We do this nonsense in the same way, and as soon as a video of the defeat of the shell appears, we immediately post it on the Internet. And sometimes Adon Benet makes statements about 4 or 6 destroyed air defense batteries, which have not been confirmed by anyone or anything. But Bennett is forgivable - he is a politician, i.e. lies by definition. But when such statements are made by professional military personnel of the Conricus type, it is very sad.
By the way, there were Israeli and Turkish and even Russian weapons in Karabakh (what a horror)

[borberd]

It seems to me that there are videos and there are a lot of them, they simply are not published, the military censorship will not let them through. Always, with any attack, there is an independent control that confirms the defeat of the target. But we have not seen these videos anywhere, why? And because censorship does not allow publishing it. Since the potential damage from the publication may override the benefit. Bennett is a politician - he can say what he wants, but Conricus - what they will allow. If allowed, then it was worth it. There were several Turkish bairaktars, the Russian one was the same as that of the Armenians, but the Israeli one was quite advanced. The Armenians were offended by Israel, and not by Russia, because they knew whose is the most effective.

[sivuch]

In principle, you can argue on each point, it's just that all this is unprovable. Not only Bayraktars and Soms were Turkish, assistance in organization, intelligence, not to mention political support was much more important. There were plenty of Russian armaments and more and better than those of the Armenians, since they were able to pay. And what is not offended by Russia is generally beyond the bounds. Even in the Armenian Russian-language forums there is such an anti-Russian whistle that one can only assume that they speak their own.

[borberd]

I'm not talking about organization now, I'm talking about weapons. The Armenian government was offended at us because we supplied - in their words, effective weapons. They drive to Russia, because they did not harness for them. They were not offended by Russian weapons from Azerbaijan.

[sivuch]

They were not offended by Russian weapons from Azerbaijan
This means that they are no longer offended by Russian weapons. There is no one to be offended.
And President Aliyev put it quite unambiguously - most of the weapons are from Russia.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: borberd

which confirms the defeat of the target.

Don't you understand? If there were real facts of hitting targets, it would all surfaced long ago. A photo of Pantsyr surfaced after Delilah's hit. And so all this trash is all fiction and eyewash ...

[borberd]

Why publish it? To anger Russians with whom you are on good terms? So that the Arabs don't buy more "shells", but buy something else?
Two times was enough to prove that it was possible to destroy. And we are not going to poke a finger in the wound, as the Turks do in Libya and Syria.

Quote: Cyril G ...

If there were real facts of hitting targets, it would all surfaced long ago.

We do not just pop up because the military censorship cuts everything.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: borberd

We do not just pop up because the military censorship cuts everything.

And where are you Arabs ...

[borberd]

I don't eat understand your French

[Cyril G ...]

they regularly dump all their burnt equipment into the net. What are you, what dozens of anti-aircraft missile batteries

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: borberd

Everyone has already seen Israeli weapons in Karabakh perfectly.

What did you see interesting?

[borberd]

Laura, spikes, orbiters, radars, harops, 155m self-propelled guns, 122-160-300mm MLRS, shock drones, etc. are not enough?

[Cyril G ...]

Laura, who missed the bridge? The harpy being shot down by the ancient Wasp? The Orbiter was also shot down by the Wasp. What are the Israeli drone drills - Bayraktar?
This is not to say that your weapon is below the baseboard, I cosplay a number of dumb-headed Israeli citizens who use any excuse to start throwing feces in part of Russia .....
By the way, Azerbaijan is doing well with weapons, the Turks are not nearly so.

[borberd]

From KVO 10 meters. This is not an Iskander who "missed" the city.
Have you been banned from Google? We do a search for shock drones sold to Azerbaijan and smoke the topic.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: borberd

Have you been banned in Google?

And in my opinion, there are simply no proven cases of Iskander's shooting. There were missile launches from the Elbrus complex. And the question is where they were aiming in reality.
And so completely Armenian missilemen were caught at the stage of pre-launch preparation and burned down the launcher and the support vehicle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Fb_I9UPW4U&feature=emb_logo

But Laura still missed the bridge, and Elbrus got into the city. You decided to pretend that you did not understand my idea?

[borberd]

Laura still hit the bridge, but the Iskander did not shoot at the city, but hit the city.

[Cyril G ...]

It doesn't matter where she got to - the problem is just as unsolved as if she got to a neighboring village ... (As a matter of principle, you do not understand why I say that?)

And why are you repeating the fairy tale about Iskander, composed by no one knows? Don't be like ..
do you have the serial number of the product? Or how? Or do you have a photo with geolocation and shooting time with Iskander's launcher?
Initially, there was a message on Elbrus. Then someone with a thinking apparatus of a simplified and lightweight model decided that, in principle, there was no difference Iskander or Elbrus? So what? Are you being fooled?
A few photos to understand the issue.

Armenian Elbrus in position

Armenian Elbrus shoots

Elbrus on the street in NKAO

Photo of PU Elbrus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Fb_I9UPW4U&feature=emb_logo
Video filming of the destroyed Elbrus launcher and compressor machine. You can study very carefully ...
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And this is for the uninformed photo of Iskander's launcher. How similar is that ah?

[Cyril G ...]

It's a strange logic, your ideological like-minded people demand to present each shot down Tomahawk or Delilah there, otherwise it's not easy. Why do we not present the same requirements to half of the "destroyed" Syrian air defense?

[Zaurbek]

And what happened last time? Not friends?

[Krasnodar]

How long will the Zionists bite the Persian fighters and Ali Baba with their six-toothed jaws?
Why are the S-300s, covered with the Shell S, Raphael, Leonardo, Donatello and Michelangelo silent?
Where is the voice of Russia, America, Radio Liberty and Chanson FM?
When will the combined forces of Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Lithuania, Latvia and Pashinyan strike at Israel-Ogly airfields with Zirkons, Daggers and Nun-chaks?
I ask the VO editorial office to immediately answer the questions that concern all the caring readership and publish explanatory articles by Alexander Samsonov!

[aszzz888]

Krasnodar
Today, 08:47 until ...

Dull set of beeches.

[Krasnodar]

Yes, I forgot Krasukha - 4, knocking down Bayraktar, Harop and flying penguin Fu-thirty-fifth

[Rostov Papa]

Plus set

[sivuch]

How long will the Zionists bite the Persian fighters and Ali Baba with their six-toothed jaws?
will be long. So far, this situation suits everyone, including the Persian fighters.

[Alien From]

As many as they have already "destroyed", as many have not yet been delivered abroad

[7,62x54]

It is necessary to spread the news about the defeat of China on the disputed islands. And also without reference to official sources.

[rocket757]

Everything is very doubtful.
Wait for photo / video confirmation ???

[voyaka uh]

Will not be published. These videos put the Russian Ministry of Defense in an awkward position, although
The air defense is Syrian, not Russian.
Once they published about the Armor - unnecessary hubbub began.
About Buki already did not begin to publish.
There were enough Azerbaijani videos in Karabakh, whoever wanted to understood.

[OgnennyiKotik]

By the way, it just came to mind. There are practically no videos confirming the destruction of Bayraktar / Anok by the Shells / Torahs. Although videos of how Wasps shoot down An-2 / Harop are full.

[rocket757]

No, now there are such secrets that can be kept, and even on the BV, all the more ... everything is sold, everything is bought and laid out with the media, the Internet.
When there are NO such confirmed facts, doubts arise for everyone whose brains are still working.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: voyaka uh

Will not be published. These videos put the Russian Ministry of Defense in an awkward position, although

An evening of cool stories has come ...

[sivuch]

Will not be published.
Or they simply do not exist.
You didn’t want to believe that part of the TSA Armor was shot down.

[voyaka uh]

After Karabakh it’s even somehow inconvenient to talk about it.
Small and medium air defense / missile defense needs to be overhauled, radically.
Even if you personally did not understand this, then what to want from the rest.

[sivuch]

Thanks for even. In Karabakh, what could have happened - a new approach + new technology vs old one and the other. In its own way, it is even useful for warriors. Of course, the air defense of Artsakh differed from the Russian one like heaven from earth, but for the Russian one, very serious changes are needed.

[tralflot1832]

The peasants are us with the Panzer, for the fiasco of the "bros" in Saudi Arabia with the Petriots and the holy of holies with the Iron Kaput, I apologize with the dome. It looks like an Arab put "behind the death star" will blow everything around, but not what is needed.

[Shimshon]

Quote: tralflot1832

It looks like an Arab put "for the death star" will blow everything around, and not what is necessary.

I think you are very surprised if your opponents are Jordanians. They, and the Hizbbalons, are not at all trivial fighters. No need to row one size fits all. It is not nations that are losing, but military doctrines and local minorities.

[fkmdtn62]

Why so few? Just one regiment. just give a division or an army of "shells"

[rotmistr60]

In the Chinese press, without reference to the sources, it is stated ...

A natural question arises - for whom does the Chinese press work? The fact that the strike was inflicted by Israeli aircraft is beyond doubt. Israel, hiding behind the Holocaust as a shield, does not see the shores at all from impunity, therefore, it does what it wants in the region.

[Alt 22]

The whole regiment? Could immediately write "division" - "Why should you feel sorry for them, bastard!"

[Mikhail Ya2]

Judging by the ambiguous answer of the Syrians, not the entire regiment was destroyed, but they did not deny the very fact of the destruction of individual vehicles

[Vadim237]

The most interesting thing is that for some reason these unknown Syrian air defense planes do not shoot down.

[Mikhail Ya2]

Well, not sniffing, not sniffing)

[Cyril G ...]

As our Israeli "friends" say after another raid by the Israeli Air Force and the Syrian statements that they destroyed several missiles, where is the evidence, where is the photo of the fragments of the missiles! Well, etc.
Probably the same thing should be asked from them, right?

[Gunther]

... In the Chinese press, without reference to the sources, it is stated

in Rozhin's blog there is a photo of a "carrot" lying to the top with its belly - it is obvious that having heard another Chinese nonsense "Merkava", from homeric laughter, it tumbled off the trailer

[voyaka uh]

Two distinct and unrelated military operations. On different days.
One is in the Damascus and Golan region. Air defense was also damaged in it.
The other is in eastern Syria.

[Shahno]

Quote: voyaka uh

Will not be published. These videos put the Russian Ministry of Defense in an awkward position, although
The air defense is Syrian, not Russian.
Once they published about the Armor - unnecessary hubbub began.
About Buki already did not begin to publish.
There were enough Azerbaijani videos in Karabakh, whoever wanted to understood.

It is clear that air defense systems have a lot of problems against drones, or a combined attack of drones and fighters. We need an echeloned defense. And it costs so much money .. That an economically developed enemy will simply arrange a multiple numerical superiority ..

[Danila46]

From here follows the conclusion (and this is me seriously):
if it is very expensive to buy defense for yourself, you need to do it yourself, and for this you need brains, and for this you need to put your children at desks and books, so that they will create this defense. After all, when they are born, they are all geniuses, regardless of nation and skin color. We, parents, direct them where they go.
Invest in the education of the gentlemen, and there will be no need for the Military Review ...

[svoit]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

forgot the calculation to warn that this is not a parade.

Quite the opposite - they warned him, therefore, when he missed the calculation 12 times, he simply moved away from him

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

To drive "Armor" to the runway, shoot and stay waiting, it's just stupidity not only in the calculation, but also the one who taught them this.

It's just that the calculation trusted him too much, hoped that he would provide full protection, weed out false targets and hit the real ones. As in Khmeimim - one UAV - one missile.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

There are practically no Bayraktar / Anoks.

But there are enough downed ones. Moreover, if the filmmaker lives in the Thor / Pantsyr / Buk air defense system itself. What can be filmed there?

[certero]

When we read that the Israeli f-35 or f16 was shot down with the Syrian air defense, then it will become clear that it is his point at the same time that our equipment is quite working.
Without this, all cheek puffing remains cheek puffing

[Cyril G ...]

So they shot down the F-16, moreover, with an ancient two-hundredth one.

[andreykolesov123]

Shame on the Zionist hawks, who do not give a damn about the sovereignty of their kind-hearted neighbors, do not stop aggression, trying to build their great Birobidzhan. We are representatives of progressive members of humanity strongly condemn this step of the military dictatorial regime of Tel Aviv and demand:
1. Return to the borders of 867.
2. Prohibition to rise into the air for all Jews.
3. Complete surrender of the Zionist aggressors with payment of reparations for the outraged Arab honor.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: svoit

when he missed the calculation 12 times

That's interesting and how do you know about 12 times missed. .. Will there be proofs?