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"What are we fighting for": 5 years of Russia's military presence in Syria

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Source: ZUMAPRESS.com


Why did 108 Russians die?


Five years ago, a new period in their lives began for quite a few soldiers, sergeants, officers and generals. Someday (in their memoirs) they will call it the time of their formation. When for the first time they realized that their destiny is serving the Motherland.

Over the years, I have heard the same questions from completely different people hundreds of times:

“What is all this for? Why risk the lives of our guys there, fighting on foreign territory and for a foreign (in fact) country? "


Hundreds of times I tried to explain the situation to the interlocutor. Hundreds of times I came across a simple phrase: "A major (such and such) died." Alas, there is no war without losses.

Was all this necessary? Was the existence of this Islamic state (prohibited in the Russian Federation) in Syria so important for Russia? Another revolution, coup, seizure of power? How many of them happen all over the world almost every day? I will try to answer these questions again.

I believed and still believe that the very idea of ​​creating a theocratic state, a caliphate, is far from new and originated not in the heads of Islamic fanatics, but far from Iraq or Syria. I do not approve (this is my personal opinion), but the guys who came from overseas brought this idea into the heads of the fanatics.

Agree, remembering the state that existed in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries AD and proclaiming its re-creation within the same boundaries as at that time, in the XNUMXst century, is difficult even for fairly educated people. But they wanted to recreate exactly that victorious caliphate, in the borders from Spain to India.

Why did this idea come up at all? The answer to this question is pretty simple. The US is bogged down in this region. The war, which seems to have already been won, suddenly flares up again. Moreover, those who yesterday were allies and swore eternal love suddenly became bitter enemies. Chaos reigned in the region. The Americans could no longer cope with numerous military formations and gangs.

Show teeth to Americans


But anyway, why did we send our guys to fight? As corny as it sounds, we sent military personnel to defend our homeland. Defend Russia. Why am I writing like this? Simply because the terrorists have never hidden the fact that Russia is one of the main targets of expansion for them. We heard an echo of such statements quite recently from one of the advisers to the President of Turkey.

For a long time they tried to oust Russia from the Middle East political and, most importantly, economic space. It was too tidbit to part with it without a fight and give it to the Russians. This is the second reason why we needed to show our teeth to the Americans.

And the third (in my opinion, and in the opinion of many of my interlocutors - the main) reason is the possibility of transferring Syrian militants (from among the citizens of Russia) to the Caucasus region. The wounds of the two Chechen wars are too fresh. We have paid too dearly for the peace that has been restored in the Caucasus to again allow the militants to begin massacres in this region.

Half an hour from peace to war


I would not call the fourth reason our romantic desire to live according to international laws, law and order. Remember the numerous statements by leaders of various ranks that we are in Syria legally? At the request of President Assad? The romance is understandable. If the rules disappear, fights without rules will begin. And this is world chaos.

Remember the time when Russian units first appeared in Damascus? I then well remembered a very precise phrase of one of the Russian military correspondents (I apologize to this courageous man for forgetting his last name):

"Damascus is a city where from peace to war it is only half an hour fast drive by car."

(I quoted from memory, so I can't vouch for absolute accuracy).

Then the intervention of our Aerospace Forces and precise precision strikes helped the Syrian army to believe in itself and go on the offensive. The liberation of the occupied territories began. Panic gripped terrorist groups in many places. Probably, for the first time in the entire war, the militants suffered quite significant losses.

Do you remember the reaction of the NATO and US leadership? The reaction of all these kings and princes from the Arabian Peninsula? How many screams began in the world of those who created a terrorist paradise? And how did our military quickly stop their chants and howls about freedom and democracy? Simply because they did not persuade the terrorists, but beat them. Exactly, verified, competently.

The Russians worked in such a way that it aroused admiration from the whole world. This shocked not only Syrians, but also Europeans and even Americans. Hence the talk about the creation of an anti-terrorist coalition. What was for the Western countries (especially for the Americans, who did not want to hear about any kind of cooperation), like a tub of cold water on a hot head.

And all this was done by ordinary soldiers, officers and generals of our army. Without even thinking about it. They were just doing their job. 68,5 thousand troops went through the Syrian operation. There are only 460 generals. 27 thousand officers and more than 40 thousand soldiers and sergeants. 14 thousand of them were awarded orders and medals for courage and military valor.

Syria has become an invaluable school for the flight personnel of the operational-tactical aviation (87% of crews), army aviation (91% of crews), military transport aviation (97% of crews) and strategic and long-range aviation (60% of crews).

Unfortunately, there is no war without losses. During the operation in Syria, 108 soldiers were killed. Probably, many remember the shock of the information about the crash on March 6, 2018 of the An-26 aircraft at the Khmeimim airbase, when 39 of our guys died at once ...

And "Kuznetsov" can, if necessary


You know, I would like to recall one ship, which was undeservedly ridiculed, including by our media. I'm talking about the heroic campaign of "Admiral Kuznetsov". Almost two thousand heroes, members of the crew of the ship, which, despite its old age and required repairs, not only reached the shores of Syria, not only with its power resisted the American the fleet, but also became an airfield for Russian carrier-based aircraft. For the first time, naval deck pilots took part in the war, and for the first time from the deck of the Admiral Kuznetsov. By the way, these pilots made 420 sorties!

I will name only one of the figures on the effectiveness of the actions of the Russian army. 89 thousand militants were killed. Of these, 4,5 immigrants from the former republics of the USSR. There are many numbers. Finding them is not difficult.

In general, it seems to me that the military operation in Syria has become an indicator of the readiness of the Russian Armed Forces for serious actions outside the territory of Russia.

And a good indicator. Today there are no longer any doubts that the Russian army will really be able to, if necessary.
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  1. brat07
    brat07 25 November 2020 03: 06
    +31
    Eternal memory to our guys who
    Killed in Syria.
    My cousin died there!
    And yes, they defended their homeland there!
    That's all! I can't say any more!
    1. Civil
      Civil 25 November 2020 08: 25
      -13%


      Eternal memory to the soldiers who laid their heads in Syria. Shame on those who keep silent about their work and victories.
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 25 November 2020 09: 27
        +18
        Quote: Civil
        Shame on those who keep silent about their work and victories.
        Shame on those who use the bright memory of the fallen soldiers for the purpose of dirty political speculation.
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            1. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 29 November 2020 12: 30
              +5
              Maybe you're right. But Staver, for some reason, did not voice another reason for military assistance to Syria: they wanted to build a gas pipeline from Qatar and the Mediterranean Sea through Syria to Europe. Everyone remembered this 5 years ago. Great, really! It's a pity for the guys who died. But they fought for profits and were not conscripts, but quite themselves fighting for money. Defending Russia from terrorist infiltration is quite a side task. There are no righteous wars between capitalist countries. They are all conducted only for the sake of profit. And the one who "orders" does not care about the number of victims, he "forges loot" on this.
              1. Sergey79
                Sergey79 1 December 2020 08: 08
                +1
                I completely agree. There is still no way to ensure the economic interests of Rosneft
              2. roninas
                roninas 19 December 2020 12: 14
                +1
                Quite right. The main reason is oil, gas, what makes a profit. Control over deposits. And the fight against international terrorism is for the "electorate". Those "international terrorists" are the same pawns, only in different hands
              3. Shkiper
                Shkiper 11 January 2021 09: 14
                +3
                Straight in the "hole" 100% !!! It was under the Soviet Union that ours there would have fulfilled their international duty and perished for the Motherland, but here it is not unfortunate for the interests of Gazprom.
  2. Far B
    Far B 25 November 2020 04: 06
    +10
    All the arguments of the author, in my opinion, are far-fetched. Just as an excuse for the very adventurous decision of our nation's sun. However, exactly the same arguments can be used to justify the presence of Americans in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and so on. But the main reason was called the prevention of bearded barmaley people in the Caucasus, in the underbelly of Russia. However, the bearded barmaley still ended up in the Caucasus, in that very underbelly.
    In short, as I see it, Mr. Putin for some reason needed a small victorious war, which he got into.
    1. sleeve
      sleeve 25 November 2020 04: 25
      -15%
      “Mr Putin,” as you say so, by and large does not need anything special in the final of his career. In the current inert situation, he may simply "be" in order to maintain his status. And this would be more true, since activity, in any case, causes opposition despite the direction. And the point here is not the wrong actions ... But if you still use a more adult system of analytics, where, in addition to the word "Putin", there are the words "Russia", "center of power", "international terrorism", "domestic and foreign policy" and many others (I agree, immensely complicating the simpler "pro-Putin" model, then everything is in its place. And the moves of the Great Game, and the struggle for the Motherland and world peace, and the feat of a soldier. But this is so hard and difficult, in the sense of being an adult ...
      Eternal glory to all the soldiers of our Motherland who gave their lives for her.
      1. srelock
        srelock 25 November 2020 04: 31
        -19%
        Quote: sleeve
        ... In the current inert situation, he may simply "be" in order to maintain his status. And this would be more true, since activity, in any case, causes opposition despite the direction. And the point here is not the wrong actions ... But if you still use a more adult system of analytics, where, in addition to the word "Putin", there are the words "Russia", "center of power", "international terrorism", "domestic and foreign policy" and many others (I agree, immensely complicating the simpler "pro-Putin" model, then everything is in its place. And the moves of the Great Game, and the struggle for the Motherland and world peace, and the feat of a soldier. But it is so hard and difficult, in the sense of being an adult ...
        Besides the cost of the sign ... How much is it paid for?
        1. sleeve
          sleeve 25 November 2020 04: 38
          +18
          35 thousand at work in the warehouse. Including the bonus, of course. You can also earn extra money, but shift work, I get tired very much. Somewhere like that ...
          1. lucul
            lucul 25 November 2020 07: 45
            -17%
            35 thousand at work in the warehouse. Including the bonus, of course.

            Yeah, considering your work, you make too few mistakes in the text)))
            1. sleeve
              sleeve 25 November 2020 09: 29
              +17
              Stereotypes ... We have the right to free education ... For those who want of course. So it's all true. What about mistakes? Well, you did the same at school as I did. It's just that someone is good, and someone is bad. And life leads to different denominators. It is possible to be a loader in a warehouse ...
            2. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 25 November 2020 12: 53
              +13
              Quote: lucul
              35 thousand at work in the warehouse. Including the bonus, of course.

              Yeah, considering your work, you make too few mistakes in the text)))

              Do not drink Soviet education
            3. would
              would 30 November 2020 08: 31
              +2
              There is such a wonderful person - Yegor Ivanov, he is a Bad Signal. Just look at YouTube at least his analyzes of Kolyma Dudya. And he initially worked as a loader, and he began his activity with the fact that in between work he filmed plasticine cartoons.

              Why am I? And to the fact that we have an intelligent and intelligent person can be both a loader and a warehouse worker.
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        2. lucul
          lucul 25 November 2020 07: 45
          -28%
          Besides the cost of the sign ... How much is it paid for?

          For the opportunity to immigrate to Israel)))
      2. Far B
        Far B 25 November 2020 04: 46
        +40
        And the moves of the Great Game, and the struggle for the Motherland and world peace, and the soldier's feat
        Of all the above, only the heroic deed of a soldier takes place. The “big game”, in fact, has been lost with a crash - not only do we have no reliable (or at least with a hint of this) foreign policy allies, we even have the lion's share of the economy hunching over our uncle-“partner”. Where have you seen at least some kind of "struggle for the Motherland"? But you continue to puff your cheeks in a putriotic frenzy, if it is beneficial to you.
        1. sleeve
          sleeve 25 November 2020 04: 58
          -13%
          Patriotic frenzy is one of the most harmful and unfortunately necessary conditions. In this situation, truth is absent as fact. Is the "big game" lost? There, the option of losing is only the destruction of the player. And was it lost? Both novice players shrank in size. Let's see who is bigger? Is the lion's share of the economy hunchbacked? Well, "woe to the vanquished." Now we take a shovel, a laptop pickaxe and go to build a new economy, rational, without the Soviet military-industrial complex, with our own, normal, powerful and even profitable. Allies? We read Alexander III, very rationally. And then Belarus is more expensive than the Northern Fleet. And why do we need them with our size and location? We create economic partners for ourselves, we trade. In short, we are restoring what was destroyed as a millennium of the whole history. And then 30 years have passed. It's time for something new, and we all wipe away a tear as we have offended / upset. But the king has not forgotten how to spit. Especially when freedom. It's easier. You sit, scold and it seems even on the wave. True, if they ask "Why do that?" In the best case, you will spit again, and in the worst case, you will give out such a blizzard ... that it would be better to just continue to spit.

          P / S / Tell me, do you also hold the opinion that the modern "global economy" under the protectorate of the dollar is exactly the economy, and not a successful fraudulent scam?
          1. Far B
            Far B 25 November 2020 05: 09
            +20
            Patriotic frenzy is one of the most harmful and unfortunately necessary conditions.
            Confusing patriotism with putriotism? Well, okay, apparently, it's more convenient for you.
            lost? Let's see who is bigger?
            we are going to build a new economy ...
            Allies? Why do we need them with our size and location?
            In short, as soon as we puff out our cheeks - and blow off their entire thatched hut to the devil - so what? It’s just this empty cheek puffing over the past thirty years and has gotten. Apart from him, nothing is done.
            And about your postscript - how can something, built on commodity and financial speculation, called an economy? As for me, then - no.
            1. sleeve
              sleeve 25 November 2020 09: 53
              +5
              Here. There is already a mutual understanding on the economic issue. It remains for me personally to understand the reason for the frequent appeal to the name of the current president of the Russian Federation. Games with his last name and modernization of words and concepts. As a person from the USSR, I have already got used to the fact that if someone is shouting loudly somewhere, then you don't need to listen to it, but you need to start looking around in search of pickpockets. Putin implements foreign policy. For me personally, everything is rational and understandable so far. This is where my "interactions" with him end. As soon as something goes wrong, then I will begin to take the appropriate action. Imposing someone else's point of view on me in an aggressive form without proper argumentation, regardless of whether it is fashionable or accepted in the "civilized world", I consider a disgusting manifestation of disrespect for someone else's opinion, that is, a violation of my natural rights. Something like this. Therefore, I very rarely enter into polemics. I only try to express my thoughts and nothing more, since I am not a "professional" expert. You look bad. In the last five or seven years, it is simply not accepted to “puff out your cheeks”. And shout out loud the same. Note we are not going to "sink someone's fleet in 72 hours." And no one is going to decide anything "in a regiment in a day". In this situation and about the content of the article, I have exhausted the semantic base. All I wanted to say, I said. Further, I cannot enter into polemics about Putin, I don’t own the material. Let's talk about Russia. If you can form phrases without GDP.
              1. WIKI
                WIKI 25 November 2020 10: 45
                +6
                Quote: sleeve
                As soon as something goes wrong, then I will begin to take the appropriate action.

                What do you mean by "going wrong" and what actions are you going to take in this case?
                1. sleeve
                  sleeve 25 November 2020 13: 17
                  -3
                  The trouble is right with the population ... Is there no download on the Internet?
            2. Dart2027
              Dart2027 25 November 2020 19: 12
              +3
              Quote: Dalny V
              Confusing patriotism with putriotism?

              And what are you confusing him with?
          2. WIKI
            WIKI 25 November 2020 11: 05
            +5
            Quote: sleeve
            But they have not forgotten how to spit in the king. Especially when freedom. It's easier. You sit, scold and it seems even on the wave.

            With great pleasure, I would stop criticizing the current government, but would simply go and vote for a worthy candidate. But with a lot of freedom to speak, the option to choose a worthy candidate has been cleaned up by the Kremlin administration almost to zero. And you say freedom.
            1. sleeve
              sleeve 25 November 2020 13: 19
              0
              Can I not answer? For both opuses? I wrote that I will not discuss Putin. Not trendy ...
              1. WIKI
                WIKI 25 November 2020 15: 39
                +1
                But I will still comment.
                Quote: sleeve
                I consider it a disgusting manifestation of disrespect for others' opinions, that is, a violation of my natural rights.

                I find it disgusting not to answer the question asked about your personal opinion.
                1. sleeve
                  sleeve 25 November 2020 21: 05
                  +8
                  Well, look, dear. I expressed my opinion on the content of the article. I tried to justify my attitude. He refused to try to avoid the topic of criticizing Putin personally, offering to look wider and deeper than the name of the current president, in order to deify him, linking everything and everyone with him. Further, he confirmed his rejection of the "nominal" discussion, referring to the early argumentation and his opinion on the obsessive propaganda formulas for conducting a dialogue. My conversation with other participants regarding the nuances of what was happening continued as they were interested and needed to answer. So in what way did I upset you?
                  1. WIKI
                    WIKI 26 November 2020 00: 19
                    +3
                    Quote: sleeve
                    Quote: sleeve
                    As soon as something goes wrong, then I will begin to take the appropriate action.

                    What do you mean by "going wrong" and what actions are you going to take in this case?

                    I didn’t ask you to speak about Putin, and I don’t care about your opinion about him. I asked you to clarify your theses about the actions that you will take in a situation "as soon as it goes wrong." And there is no need to chatter and distort the essence of my appeal to you.
                    1. sleeve
                      sleeve 26 November 2020 12: 50
                      +1
                      ABOUT! Didn't see the comment. I'm sorry. If something goes wrong, I will change the political interest. Change the voting object. I will make an effort to organize a critical discussion (this is for a wide circle to argue). A wide range of ideas. Well, as far as I can, I will try to increase the effectiveness of my actions.
        2. EvilLion
          EvilLion 25 November 2020 09: 19
          -9
          If you have heard the term "Big Game" somewhere, then I remind you that during this very game Great Britain basically had no allies. In general, the dissatisfied should be sent somewhere to the Tajik-Afghan border.
          1. CSKA
            CSKA 25 November 2020 10: 35
            0
            Quote: EvilLion
            In general, the dissatisfied should be sent somewhere to the Tajik-Afghan border.

            Totally for.
        3. CSKA
          CSKA 25 November 2020 10: 34
          0
          Quote: Dalny V
          in our country, even the lion's share of the economy hunches on an uncle-"partner"

          Quote: Dalny V
          puff out cheeks in a putriotic frenzy

          Another exhaust of a person who does not understand much in economics, but who grinds nonsense and just inflates his cheeks. In each article, whether it be about economics, politics or road construction, you will not forget to write a dozen comments about how bad everything is, while there is not enough knowledge by numbers to write, there is enough knowledge only to wag the language. So you wonder how much people like you, svarog, sylvester, ross 42 pay and from what structures, that you write the same nonsense from morning to evening in each article.
          1. Roman070280
            Roman070280 25 November 2020 13: 59
            -1
            you wonder how much people like you, svarog, sylvester, ross 42 pay and from what structures, that you write the same nonsense in every article from morning to evening.


            Surprisingly .. but you have listed the names of those who just write reasonable and logical things .. which is a rarity on this patriotic resource .. because it is known that patriotism obscures the brain and prevents thinking .. And it doesn't even matter how much you get paid for it ..
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 25 November 2020 15: 07
              +3
              Quote: Roman070280
              Surprisingly .. but you have listed the names of those who just write reasonable and logical things.

              Where did you see reasonable things with them? Criticism of everything and everyone in any article, no matter what. And Sylvester frankly comes to lies. They do not appeal with any numbers, empty chatter.
            2. Dart2027
              Dart2027 25 November 2020 19: 19
              +7
              Quote: Roman070280
              for it is known that patriotism obscures the brain and prevents thinking

              I've heard it somewhere before. During Perestroika they shouted about it from all sides.
            3. skif8013
              skif8013 25 November 2020 23: 20
              +1
              Quote: Roman070280
              you wonder how much people like you, svarog, sylvester, ross 42 pay and from what structures, that you write the same nonsense in every article from morning to evening.


              Surprisingly .. but you have listed the names of those who just write reasonable and logical things .. which is a rarity on this patriotic resource .. because it is known that patriotism obscures the brain and prevents thinking .. And it doesn't even matter how much you get paid for it ..

              Good logic. Who screams everything is gone, he writes logically, but if on the contrary, is it time to be treated?
            4. Victorio
              Victorio 28 November 2020 00: 45
              +1
              Quote: Roman070280
              because it is known that patriotism obscures the brain and prevents thinking ..

              ===
              (well, I froze
        4. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 25 November 2020 12: 55
          +8
          Quote: Far In
          And the moves of the Great Game, and the struggle for the Motherland and world peace, and the soldier's feat
          Of all the above, only the heroic deed of a soldier takes place. The “big game”, in fact, has been lost with a crash - not only do we have no reliable (or at least with a hint of this) foreign policy allies, we even have the lion's share of the economy hunching over our uncle-“partner”. Where have you seen at least some kind of "struggle for the Motherland"? But you continue to puff your cheeks in a putriotic frenzy, if it is beneficial to you.

          Or maybe everything is much simpler - fighting for oil assets?
        5. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 25 November 2020 13: 24
          +3
          Quote: Far In
          And the moves of the Great Game, and the struggle for the Motherland and world peace, and the soldier's feat
          Where have you seen at least some kind of "struggle for the Motherland"? But you continue to puff your cheeks in a putriotic frenzy, if it is beneficial to you.

          And you, as I understand it, are a champion of cheek puffing in a frenzy. The fact that in the event of the fall of Syria, Russia would have already lost its base in Tartus and, as a result, was ousted from the Mediterranean, is an empty phrase for you. And it's true - "what to do?" You can have 600 mattresses all over the world, and Russia and one base dofig and closing it Russia will definitely become richer, tk. those who are far and near will have three rubles more in their pockets. Does the fact that ISIS was created not as a terrorist shobla, but as a state, does it mean anything to you either? A state with all due attributes - an army, a court (Sharia), tax authorities, a banking system, its own monetary unit, etc., which would absorb the territories of Iraq (the homeland of igil) and Syria, exporting its influence to Afghanistan. At the next stage, mattresses, so as not to be snatched out by their cunning physiognomy, would direct their irrepressible energy against their geopolitical enemy, which is Iran, with subsequent access to the Transcaucasus. As for you, it is better with a snide and after the fact, to state that Russia is not capable of anything, even to defend its last base. Are you by any chance scribbling from the Memorial branch where portraits of Novodvorskaya, Alekseeva and Navalny hang on the wall?
          Quote: Dalny V
          "Big game", in fact, miserably lost - We do not have not only reliable (or at least with a hint of it) foreign policy allies.
          The big game is still far from over, and it has only been lost in the minds of the Russian liberota and other, borderline, shellonies such as the Baltic "tigers" and Ukrainian imbeciles, from whose ranks this crackling is constantly heard. Maybe it will be enough to wave the "trump card" about the lack of allies? Well, make a long list here (from one point) with China's allies! Weak? NATO has "allies" like dogs have fleas, but are these "allies" so wealthy and strong, of which they are only due to the fact that the noose around their neck is in the hands of the mattresses, and their territories are considered by them nothing more than a training ground for a future war. Chickens also think that they are allies of the house, even when he drives them to the slaughterhouse.
          in our country, even the lion's share of the economy hunches on an uncle-"partner".

          In this case, "slave" China in general plows the whole world and is a recognized world factory, which will soon squeeze mattresses from the leading positions in the world economy, if not already.
      3. Hermit
        Hermit 25 November 2020 15: 36
        +17
        Quote: sleeve
        “Mr Putin,” as you say so, by and large does not need anything special in the final of his career.

        In the final? Maybe at the next start of his new zeroed presidential term?
        Quote: sleeve
        domestic and foreign policy

        And what is our internal policy? Everyone knows about the outside, a policy in which there are no enemies, but there are some partners, including centuries-old enemies.
        1. Magnat231
          Magnat231 25 November 2020 18: 55
          +1
          Yes, enough nonsense to weave, Russia did not have friends and partners, even when it was tsarist, what kind of partners are there when they broadcast from the United States that it is not fair to have so much territory and wealth, there are no partners and will not, forget it, if only you do not rule the country there will be alcoholics and bald ones
          1. Hermit
            Hermit 25 November 2020 22: 21
            +15
            Are you saying this to me or to Putin? Tell that to the president. Do you want to argue with Putin? wink Argue. yes
            Article and video "Putin: Russia has no enemies"
            https://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1394277/
            Article "Vladimir Putin:" We have no enemies. Only opponents "
            https://www.kp.ru/daily/25740/2729252/
            1. sleeve
              sleeve 26 November 2020 12: 55
              -1
              Well, you can't. A person advises you not to answer evil for evil and keep your heart open. And you just crave a hostile environment. When you are in an armor with a Kalash, HP, a grenade launcher, and a short barrel in tactics, then it is very good to talk to people politely and calmly. And don't see them as enemies. Just people ... or targets.
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 25 November 2020 19: 20
          0
          Quote: Hermit
          Everyone knows about the outside, a policy in which there are no enemies, but there are some partners

          What trenches are you writing from?
          1. Hermit
            Hermit 25 November 2020 22: 21
            +15
            Quote: Dart2027
            What trenches are you writing from?

            request I'm not at war. Therefore, not in a trench) I am at home, in Russia. With the "neighbors" sorted out, they are partners. Now I want to understand what is happening in my house.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 26 November 2020 19: 25
              +1
              Quote: Hermit
              I'm not at war.

              That is exactly the Enemies during the war, and when it is not partners. This is called politics. Well, the fact that partners often shit at each other with all their might is also politics.
        3. sleeve
          sleeve 25 November 2020 21: 13
          +3
          Have you decided to conduct a reasoned dialogue on domestic policy in the format of comments? Commendable. No, well, why not? The history of Russia won in 24 questions of the Unified State Exam, all 1200 years of only the state.
          1. Hermit
            Hermit 25 November 2020 22: 23
            +11
            Quote: sleeve
            Have you decided to conduct a reasoned dialogue on domestic policy in the format of comments?

            I just want to understand what is in our country.
            I understand everything about foreign policy. There are no enemies, let's trade, do business, we give you oil, gas, timber, you give us your dollars and euros for this, we will place part of your finances in your securities. And everyone is happy, almost.
            What about domestic politics? I do not know...request
            1. sleeve
              sleeve 26 November 2020 05: 01
              +1
              An article about Syria. So already the comments on the street festivities are similar. Shall we wait for an article that is suitable within the meaning of the article? Something like "silence of the deep people" or "mistake or betrayal?" And there is already plenty. I'm also interested in finding out your vision. And then having only your own opinion is something like monastic science. You need to debate. How's the offer?
      4. Berkut752
        Berkut752 9 December 2020 15: 48
        0
        You yourself understood what you wanted to say.
        Since the USSR was destroyed, our wars are not justified.
    2. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 25 November 2020 04: 34
      -5
      Quote: Dalny V
      In short, as I see it,

      It is not bad to be called "Dalny", it is bad to be distant - from the real and foreseeable challenges of Russia.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 25 November 2020 06: 41
        +27
        Quote: Vladimir61
        it is bad to be distant - from the real and projected challenges of Russia.

        Bandera's men are close at our side, and we flooded into Syria. We've been pulling the bagpipes for 5 years. During this time, our ancestors defeated the Germans. And I wonder why we have to carry refugees to the Tuda-Syudy at a time when Zakharova says that there is nothing for the poor Russians to roll out abroad? The Syrians can be rescued, and the Russians will be mocked?
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 25 November 2020 09: 25
          -15%
          Bandera can be kept with the help of a couple of republics, for the most part Bandera do not know how to fight, but what to do with organized gangs that would flood from Syria to the Caucasus and Central Asia, will you have ideas? Well, apart from the parcels not of the air regiment and the military police, but specifically of motorized rifle brigades somewhere in Kyrgyzstan. You are really thinking in a strange way, you have a quasi-state entity with more than 100 thousand active bayonets, which lives for the most part by robbery, and you do not want to do anything about it.
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 25 November 2020 13: 04
            +4
            Quote: EvilLion
            Bandera can be kept with the help of a couple of republics, for the most part Bandera do not know how to fight, but what to do with organized gangs that would flood from Syria to the Caucasus and Central Asia, will you have ideas? Well, apart from the parcels not of the air regiment and the military police, but specifically of motorized rifle brigades somewhere in Kyrgyzstan. You are really thinking in a strange way, you have a quasi-state entity with more than 100 thousand active bayonets, which lives for the most part by robbery, and you do not want to do anything about it.

            Is it difficult to recruit thousands of poor people in Africa and Palestine and transfer them to the Caucasus? By the way, for some reason Israel is not at all soared about this topic, although all this is at his side. And Haftar is not fighting mercenaries, but entirely Marxists- Leninists
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 25 November 2020 19: 21
              +3
              Quote: Pilat2009
              By the way, for some reason Israel is not at all soared about this topic, although all this is at his side

              And he has something to worry about, considering who creates them?
        2. your1970
          your1970 25 November 2020 11: 19
          +2
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Bandera's men are close at our side, and we flooded into Syria. We've been pulling the bagpipes for 5 years. During this time, our ancestors defeated the Germans.

          Don't you understand the difference?
          Our ancestors had a task to defeat the enemy.
          And now we have - to defeat the enemy so that the losses among civilians are minimal + so that, according to the results of the victory, it is not necessary to introduce the military administration and the UGV (by analogy with the GSVG) + so that the partisan movement is completely absent + so that the economy of Ukraine does not have to be restored + so that at least 60 percent of the population accepted the occupation + resolve issues on Ukraine's debts + resolve issues with the EU and visa-free travel (otherwise we and 30% of supporters will not recruit from the population) + ... + ... + .... and further, further further .. ..
          And it's all MINUSS for us - significantly worsening the situation OUR of citizens
          If after the Second World War, for 10 years, Bandera's people were chased through the forests, when it was possible to hang in the squares and the population approved of it, now it will not work ...
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 25 November 2020 13: 08
            -3
            Quote: your1970
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Bandera's men are close at our side, and we flooded into Syria. We've been pulling the bagpipes for 5 years. During this time, our ancestors defeated the Germans.

            Don't you understand the difference?
            Our ancestors had a task to defeat the enemy.
            And now we have - to defeat the enemy so that the losses among civilians are minimal + so that, according to the results of the victory, it is not necessary to introduce the military administration and the UGV (by analogy with the GSVG) + so that the partisan movement is completely absent + so that the economy of Ukraine does not have to be restored + so that at least 60 percent of the population accepted the occupation + resolve issues on Ukraine's debts + resolve issues with the EU and visa-free travel (otherwise we and 30% of supporters will not recruit from the population) + ... + ... + .... and further, further further .. ..
            And it's all MINUSS for us - significantly worsening the situation OUR of citizens
            If after the Second World War, for 10 years, Bandera's people were chased through the forests, when it was possible to hang in the squares and the population approved of it, now it will not work ...

            That's right, because most of Ukraine has assimilated in 30 years and few people want to go to Russia, and you feed all the illusions
          2. Roman070280
            Roman070280 25 November 2020 14: 02
            +8
            Don't you understand the difference?
            Our ancestors had a task to defeat the enemy.
            And now we have -

            And now everyone has only one task - money, money, and again money ..
            As soon as you understand this and start using real initial data, the rest will be understood.
          3. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 25 November 2020 17: 37
            -2
            Quote: your1970
            Don't you understand the difference?

            I understand the difference between a united Europe under the command of Hitler, armed with modern weapons at that time, and barmaley who collect rockets from water pipes, and drones from purchases on Ali-express.
            1. your1970
              your1970 25 November 2020 21: 53
              0
              [quote = mordvin  [u] barmaley who collect rockets from water pipes, and drones from purchases on Ali-express. [/ Quote]
              Well, in principle, you can call the APU and so call it if you want lol lol lol
              But in general, the conversation was a little about other people.
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              At our side Bandera,
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 25 November 2020 22: 20
                +1
                Quote: your1970
                But in general, the conversation was a little about other people.

                Well, as for me, it's better to support Donbass than Syria, which has little in common with Russia. No language, no culture, no religion. I don't know a single Syrian writer at all.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 26 November 2020 16: 09
                  +1
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  Well, as for me, it's better to support Donbass than Syria,

                  Then I described all the problems associated with this above
                  Quote: your1970
                  now - to defeat the enemy so that the civilian losses are minimal + so that the victory does not have to introduce a military administration and the UGV (by analogy with the GSVG) + so that the partisan movement is completely absent + so that the economy of Ukraine does not have to be restored + so that at least 60 percent of the population accepted the occupation + resolve issues on Ukraine's debts + resolve issues with the EU and visa-free (otherwise we and 30% of supporters will not recruit from the population) + ... + ... + .... and further, further further ...
                  And these are all MINUSES for us - significantly worsening the situation of OUR citizens
            2. TulaTokarev
              TulaTokarev 26 November 2020 16: 46
              -2
              Excuse me, but what did Hitler have a modern one? Well, let's say, more modern than in the Red Army? Carbines and box tanks of the 1-2 series? Czech squalor? What else? Well, apart from radio communications at all levels ...
              Name at least one type of weapons superior to our analogue!
              1. ermolenkomb
                ermolenkomb 29 November 2020 19: 47
                0
                1. Aviation was unambiguously advanced, both qualitatively and quantitatively, both in fighters and bombers 2. In terms of tanks, the basis of our tank forces at the beginning of the Second World War were light BT, etc., T-34 and KV were a total of about 600 units , they really did not know how to use their advantages, they were scattered among the troops, most often they were lost due to lack of fuel and spare parts. Their Pz-3 and Pz-4 certainly lost to the T-34, but they performed their main role - supporting the infantry in breaking through fortified areas - perfectly. Moreover, the basis of our anti-tank artillery was 45mm guns, which could not effectively fight them. 3. A large number of armored personnel carriers, trucks, tractors and other auxiliary equipment (we did not have all of this as a class, the deficiency was compensated mainly by lend-lease products). In general, the war is won not by excellent single products, but by the mass character and organization, and the Germans reached Moscow and Stalingrad in a few months not by chance.
        3. Vadim237
          Vadim237 25 November 2020 12: 03
          -2
          We solved the problem of increasing global terrorism by destroying it in Syria - that's what we did there. “And I wonder why we have to carry refugees to the Tudy-Syuds at a time when Zakharova says that there is nothing for the poor Russians to roll abroad? The Syrians can be rescued, and the Russians will be scolded?” - And why did you write this?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 25 November 2020 17: 46
            +3
            Quote: Vadim237
            And why did you write this?

            To the fact that Zakharova voices a position according to which Russians are not recommended to visit abroad if they have little money or no furry paws. But we carry the poor Syrians back and forth. Are Russians worse than them when they get into force majeure? Unlike the Syrians, they travel for their own money, and not for free.
    3. Deniska999
      Deniska999 25 November 2020 06: 15
      +14
      As for me, the reason is to put pressure on Turkey and the Arab countries in the competition for the construction of new gas "streams".
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 25 November 2020 07: 49
        +23
        Quote: Deniska999
        As for me, the reason is to put pressure on Turkey and the Arab countries in the competition for the construction of new gas "streams".

        Exactly. The main reason, even the jingoistic patriots, enthusiastically declared, as preventing the gas pipeline from Qatar to Europe, as the main competitor of the Turkish Stream. And what is good for Gazprom is good for Russia as well. This is what they died for - the most imperialist war ever.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 25 November 2020 09: 27
          -15%
          Gazprom pays taxes to the Russian budget, it will be a revelation for you, but wars are being waged so that our people live well at the expense of someone else. And the Syrian bandits were fed for the same purpose, so that they flooded to our borders, and we were chasing them on our territory, spending resources and people.
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 25 November 2020 09: 52
            +9
            Quote: EvilLion
            Gazprom pays taxes to the Russian budget, it will be a discovery for you

            I also pay taxes, so what? How does this justify wars ?!
            Quote: EvilLion
            but wars are fought so that our people live well at the expense of someone else.

            here it is the cannibalistic logic of capitalism. "The people are hungry because we are too full" (Tolstoy). The question is who these "ours" are, this does not mean the entire population of the Russian Federation
            Quote: EvilLion
            And the Syrian bandits were fed for the same purpose, so that they flooded to our borders, and we were chasing them on our territory, spending resources and people.

            Well, like there is still Turkey between our borders and several other states. And of course it is so, solely for the sake of the borders of Russia ... who was feeding something, Masons, Zionists, Anglo-Saxons, Reptilians, or some Gozman, beloved by local madmen ?! wassat
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 25 November 2020 12: 06
              -4
              I also pay taxes, so what? How does this justify wars ?! - Does the war on world terrorism justify or do you have something against it? Or by standards - "My hut is on the edge"
              1. Stirbjorn
                Stirbjorn 25 November 2020 12: 20
                +7
                Quote: Vadim237
                Justifies the war on global terrorism

                In the sense of? What is the war on world terrorism ?! The kind of terrorism that you can fight around the world ?! Something like Porthos can remember "I fight because I fight!"
                1. Pilat2009
                  Pilat2009 25 November 2020 13: 13
                  +3
                  Quote: Stirbjorn
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Justifies the war on global terrorism

                  In the sense of? What is the war on world terrorism ?! The kind of terrorism that you can fight around the world ?! Something like Porthos can remember "I fight because I fight!"

                  The Americans, by the way, have been fighting since September 11, but things are still there. And then they wonder why the shaheeds are blowing them up. By the way, after the terrorist attacks in Spain and England, they turned a little backward
            2. Dart2027
              Dart2027 25 November 2020 19: 23
              -3
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              here it is the cannibalistic logic of capitalism

              Well, show me a country that lives under communism. By the way, it is not in China either.
              1. Stirbjorn
                Stirbjorn 25 November 2020 19: 37
                +2
                Quote: Dart2027
                Well, show me a country that lives under communism. By the way, it is not in China either.

                The USSR followed this path, with the allied bloc. It's just that human society has not yet reached the level of this system, but this does not mean that it is not necessary to strive there, as the most progressive form of existence. Let me remind you that capitalist revolutions, too, did not immediately defeat feudalism. And the absolute monarchy returned from the beginning.
                At least we have seen this country, unlike our ancestors who built it from scratch.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 25 November 2020 19: 53
                  -1
                  Quote: Stirbjorn
                  The USSR followed this path, with the allied bloc. It's just that human society has not yet reached the level of this system.

                  Simply put, utopia.
                  Quote: Stirbjorn
                  Let me remind you that capitalist revolutions, too

                  Which began when the countries were already capitalist.
                  1. Stirbjorn
                    Stirbjorn 25 November 2020 19: 58
                    +2
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    Which began when the countries were already capitalist.

                    Come on? England under Charles I, or especially France under Louis XVI ?!
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    Simply put, utopia.
                    For you yes hi
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 25 November 2020 20: 56
                      0
                      Quote: Stirbjorn
                      England under Charles I, or especially France under Louis XVI ?!

                      That is, you want to say that there was no numerous and rich bourgeoisie in these countries? Really?
                      Quote: Stirbjorn
                      For you yes

                      Well, where is she?
              2. ermolenkomb
                ermolenkomb 29 November 2020 19: 49
                0
                China nevertheless does not spend money on military expansion around the world, bases, etc.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 29 November 2020 19: 59
                  0
                  Quote: ermolenkomb
                  does not spend money on military expansion around the world, bases, etc.

                  https://zen.yandex.ru/media/infostat/v-kakih-stranah-nahodiatsia-voennye-bazy-kitaia-5d59362d86c4a900ace4337e
                  Apart from his constant grating with India, Japan and Vietnam.
                  1. ermolenkomb
                    ermolenkomb 29 November 2020 20: 13
                    0
                    Building a base does not mean active military operations, expansions, and so on. China is developing Africa, while not particularly at war with anyone, naturally, it protects its business. At the same time, he has money for this, but we do not (our GDP is 5 times less than China's).
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 30 November 2020 19: 31
                      0
                      Quote: ermolenkomb
                      Building a base does not mean active hostilities, expansions and so on.

                      What does this mean?
                      Quote: ermolenkomb
                      China is developing Africa, while not particularly at war with anyone, naturally, it protects its business.

                      That is, it is expanding.
                      Quote: ermolenkomb
                      However, he has money for it

                      Some of which are brought to him by this expansion.
                      1. ermolenkomb
                        ermolenkomb 30 November 2020 21: 56
                        0
                        What does this mean?

                        presence, protection of their interests

                        That is, it is expanding.

                        Expansion is when a country introduces troops, forces it to change the current government or forces it to make the decisions it needs, and seizes resources.
                        There is such chaos in Africa that if your base is not there, your production will be stupidly plundered. Therefore, this is nothing more than the protection of their interests in wild places, but in no way the seizure of territory.
                      2. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 30 November 2020 22: 56
                        0
                        Quote: ermolenkomb
                        expansion is when a country introduces troops, forces a change in the current government or

                        Expansion (from the Latin expansio - distribution, expansion) - territorial, geographical or other expansion of the habitat, or zones of influence of a separate state, people, culture or species.
          2. Alexander Vorontsov
            Alexander Vorontsov 28 November 2020 09: 52
            -2
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            I also pay taxes, so what? How does this justify wars ?!

            Okay. Capitalism is evil. Taxes don't justify wars.
            2 question
            1) What are your suggestions and alternatives?
            2) What was the USSR doing in Afghanistan?
            1. ermolenkomb
              ermolenkomb 29 November 2020 20: 18
              0
              1.to invest in your production and science, infrastructure
              2. advancement of the cause of communism in the East, testing of its troops, equipment and other things. But the nuance, at that time he had the means for this, but the Russian Federation did not ...
  3. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 25 November 2020 08: 17
    +13
    I'll give you a plus.
    We were told so many times about the destroyed headquarters of the militants and the destroyed thousands of bearded men that at first it was believed - now, a year and a half and the end of the war.
    But there are no results. The forbidden igil exists, peace has not come to Syria, our guys continue to die there, even in the political arena losing.
    In general, the second Afghanistan, only, thank God, with fewer losses.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 25 November 2020 13: 15
      +4
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      I'll give you a plus.
      We were told so many times about the destroyed headquarters of the militants and the destroyed thousands of bearded men that at first it was believed - now, a year and a half and the end of the war.
      But there are no results. The forbidden igil exists, peace has not come to Syria, our guys continue to die there, even in the political arena losing.
      In general, the second Afghanistan, only, thank God, with fewer losses.

      Because there are no ground operations
  4. parma
    parma 25 November 2020 08: 18
    +18
    Quote: Far In
    All the arguments of the author, in my opinion, are far-fetched. Just as an excuse for the very adventurous decision of our nation's sun. However, exactly the same arguments can be used to justify the presence of Americans in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and so on. But the main reason was called the prevention of bearded barmaley people in the Caucasus, in the underbelly of Russia. However, the bearded barmaley still ended up in the Caucasus, in that very underbelly.
    In short, as I see it, Mr. Putin for some reason needed a small victorious war, which he got into.

    They are not "far-fetched", they are just jingoistic patriotic and break down on the facts ... The creation of a caliphate does not fit only in the head of a European, if not only citizens of our country ... I would not like to go "personal" and divide people on religious / ethnic or some other basis, but Muslims conduct their jihads as much as they profess their religion .. Yes, a single caliphate collapsed about a thousand years ago, but the jihads did not end there ... The Turkish empire (a kind of caliphate) collapsed in all 100 years ago, it's not that long, right? And over these 100 years, practically any Muslim leader declared jihad on his enemies - even Gaddafi and Hussein if someone forgot (although they are considered to be secular leaders) ... So the creation of ISIS (an organization banned in Russia) did not need outside help , the idea just took root in an atmosphere of chaos, anarchy and devastation, much like our Americans / Europeans / Communists / Yeltsins (whoever likes what) are to blame for everything ...
    About showing teeth - it's also strange ... what are the "teeth"? That we can overwhelm the cast-iron "babakhs" with practically impunity? A controversial statement, even forcing Georgia to peace in 2008, big "teeth" - there was at least some air defense, and in general the army looked like an army ... And so - that the United States, that Turkey (and other players) are of interest They chopped off pieces of Syria for themselves, and they are not going to leave ... I will write about the militants in the Caucasus a little later ...
    About the intervention of the Aerospace Forces and the revived Syrian troops - read / look at the resources specializing specifically on the topic of Syria and our presence, about "ichtamnet" .. No CAA spread its wings that Palmyra (the Palm of the world as it is also called), that other cities " sadyki "did not release and did not beat back, it was done by ordinary Russian" musicians "(or rather, Russian ones) ... Who are not there, officially ... Since 2013, the Internet has simply been bursting with videos with their participation ... And the corresponding losses ... Far from 108 Russians died there, but 108 soldiers ... the rest are just "citizens" ...
    It's also funny about the urgent creation of a coalition led by the United States, it was formed a year before our official appearance in Syria, in the fall of 2014, and bombed no less actively, they just don't talk to us about it ...
    About Kuzya ... Let's not talk about absolutely sad things .. This is a flag demonstration, and not a real military campaign ... And it is difficult to call it successful, although I must say right away, this is not the fault of the crew or pilots, just 30 years of the country's leadership before Kuzi really was not (this concerns both the technical condition of everything and everything on it, and the level of training), but then they remembered, they decided to "walk" the toy ...
    PS: Why am I writing all this? I understand that my point of view is not popular, simply because it does not coincide with what is being broadcast from all the cracks (although other information is hidden just carelessly) ... We need to stop reassuring ourselves and admit to ourselves - we are in Syria not for the peace and prosperity of this country, because we (in the person of Assad) got that part of the country where there is little other than devastation (oil is controlled by the Americans, and what happens if they encroach on it, they showed the "musicians" well) ... To make this part of Syria our sales market (to obtain economic benefits) it is necessary to develop the local economy and production (competitive), and this we cannot establish everywhere ... We are not there for the sake of our safety or peace of mind in the Caucasus, the militants may end up there without Syria (both wars in Chechnya is an excellent confirmation of this), and this black (on flags) infection on our land is periodically destroyed .. We are in Syria for the interests of big people, for their peace of mind and the safety of their income .. We may like it or not I like it, but we have no choice ...
    1. your1970
      your1970 25 November 2020 11: 40
      -6
      Quote: parma
      We need to stop reassuring ourselves and confess to ourselves - we are in Syria not for the peace and prosperity of this country, because we (in the person of Assad) got that part of the country where there is little except devastation

      And then for the sake of what was the USSR (in the person of advisers)? There has always been devastation ...
      Based on your logic, the USSR was
      Quote: parma
      in Syria for the interests of big people, for their peace and safety
      ??? Not???

      But with this
      Quote: parma
      We may or may not like it, but we have no choice ...
      that under the USSR, that under the Russian Federation, you cannot argue
      1. parma
        parma 25 November 2020 12: 06
        +4
        Quote: your1970
        And then for the sake of what was the USSR (in the person of advisers)? There has always been devastation ...
        Based on your logic, the USSR was

        Devastation and chaos were not always there, they began with the shooting of the protesters, who sensed that a less powerful offspring of the Assad family had come to power ..
        I have a couple of colleagues (power engineers who started working back in the 80s) who went to Syria on business trips in the 90s to build power plants. So, according to their stories, life in Syria was not very rich, although the choice in stores was richer than ours, and the Syrians paid very well (for one 00-month business trip it was possible to earn money for a Ford) .. One was even very disappointed when I learned that the militants destroyed the station 3 km from Damascus (now I can't remember what it was called)
        Regarding the presence of the USSR in Syria, at that time our country (and the states) were everywhere, the Cold War was going on ... As soon as the leader of the small Tumbo-Jumbo tribe declared himself a communist / anti-communist and started a war with the neighboring Yumbo-Tumbo tribe, both gifts of one of the superpowers began to pour in ... Then everything was different, there was more politics and less economy ...
    2. Roman070280
      Roman070280 25 November 2020 14: 07
      +2
      PS: Why am I writing all this?


      I must write .. I must ..
      And you wrote very well !!
    3. Alexander Vorontsov
      Alexander Vorontsov 28 November 2020 11: 14
      -3
      Quote: parma
      PS: Why am I writing all this? I understand that my point of view is not popular,

      You replay like in a cheap Brazilian TV series.
      It is just very popular - sofa analytics in the style of "all lies right now, I'll tell you how it really is."
      Each student proves why Putin and why his (student's) knowledge of the subject is deeper than the team of guys from the gene. headquarters and the FSB, who received specialized higher education in the direction of oriental studies.

      We need to stop reassuring ourselves and admit to ourselves that we are in Syria not for the peace and prosperity of this country.

      Of course not.

      We are not there for the sake of our safety or peace in the Caucasus, the militants may end up there without Syria.

      It is for this.
      Is it really so difficult to understand that the militants have limited mobilization, organizational and logistical resources?
      When Russia lost its influence in the Caucasus, thanks to Shte Rossiyanee, the PMCs of the then spill in the form of snipers from the Baltic states, and Arabs and whoever was not there immediately appeared there.
      Dudayev, whom the Chechens are so proud of, proudly flaunted with his mustache on camera - you are either a Wolf and then bite or a dog and then bear it.
      Only when the USSR was, he for some reason did not make such statements. About what a wolf he is.

      Are you suggesting we forget it? Or are you proposing to cut off a piece of any territory where the Arab mercenaries come, because "it is bad to fight"? Or do you just don’t remember it because you were born 15 years ago?

      Even a bad student in grade 5 should understand that it is better to fight as far as possible from their borders.
      And no one will leave us alone - they already passed in the 90s when they merged all their interests, abandoned the territories of Germany (how many million people died?). Now US nuclear weapons are based there.
      So what's the point of your homebrew pacifism? Just shout about how everything is wrong, and how is it right? Country of ponies, with rivers of milk and jelly banks - right?

      Go to the bearded guys who cut off the heads of the cameras, drown people alive, burn them and crush them with tanks (and that's just what got on the video) and all this for the sake of giving them 72 Gurias after death. They try to rub in your school pacifistic analytics for the PLUSES.

      And you don't need to write "WE" - you are not there, you have not been and will not be.
      And so the military conscription has been removed as much as possible, and you can cut it and sit out in the fire department.
      And in PMCs no one drags boys at gunpoint.
      There are people who WANT to fight. This is their life and their decision. Just like the decision of ANY person who joined the army under a contract, and even more so officers.
      YOU have nothing to do with them.
      This is generally ridiculous. You open YouTube and see a kid on his knees before the execution, who says "work brothers".
      Another officer who blows himself up with a cry "this is for you guys."

      And some schoolboy on the Internet, who explains ... why WE ... apparently YOU and THEY, right? They are fighting in Syria.
      How are you, generally normal?

      We may like it or not.

      Dear specialist, analyst-political scientist-orientalist, first, learn the rule of the 5th class TCH / TCHYA.
      I understand that this is not a literary club and we all make typos and mistakes, but there must be at least some MINIMUM.
      1. ermolenkomb
        ermolenkomb 29 November 2020 20: 01
        -1
        1. In addition to PMCs in Syria, many professional soldiers died, whom no one really asked if they wanted to or not
        2. In addition to this, insane money was spent on the maintenance of the air base there, military operations, I do not think that there is even the slightest chance of recapturing this money
        3. Even if we imagine a super-fantastic situation that we won everyone there and in general in the East we control everything and everyone, for the average Russian this will not bring any advantages, most likely this situation will be used by the elites, with enterprises registered in offshores
        4. You can understand the United States, when inside the country they have a very developed infrastructure in order to develop, they need new sources and directions, on the contrary, we can invest for a very long time, and we cannot afford such spending.
        1. Alexander Vorontsov
          Alexander Vorontsov 29 November 2020 20: 14
          -3
          Quote: ermolenkomb
          1. In addition to PMCs in Syria, many professional soldiers died, whom no one really asked if they wanted to or not

          Do not carry nonsense.
          1 - Few personnel died.
          2- The man who became a military man made his choice.
          3- Once again. ENABLE to speak on behalf of "military personnel" and "PMC".
          You will learn to be responsible for yourself.
          Nobody drags you there personally.
          Sit and be glad that someone went there for you.
          It is thanks to those who have chosen this for themselves that for you it is all "somewhere out there far away."

          And you can eat your mother's pies as much as you like and write your nonsense here - about how to defend the country, how to assess threats, and how much money to allocate for this.
          1. ermolenkomb
            ermolenkomb 29 November 2020 20: 30
            0
            1 - Few personnel died.

            any my compatriot who died in vain is a lot, at least it is a loss for the defense capability of our country, these people will no longer be able to fight for our country if there is a real threat, especially when pilots of the level of Lieutenant Colonel Peshkov are killed.
            Yes, death is part of the work of a military man, but it is one thing when they die defending their homeland, another when they serve the dark interests of the oil kings ...
            In addition to Syria, ISIS members live and live throughout the Middle East, and specifically, a victory in Syria will not fix this situation as long as they are funded.
  5. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 25 November 2020 08: 33
    -1
    Quote: Dalny V
    However, exactly the same arguments can be used to justify the presence of Americans in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and so on.

    Well, the fact that the French genocide the Algerians in the 50-60s can be justified by the same logic. They also crumbled a little, they are now cutting heads in France itself
  6. EvilLion
    EvilLion 25 November 2020 09: 17
    -10%
    Would you go to the Caucasus and Central Asia then? No? Then there are no claims that the war is on TV for the Russians, and the Syrians go on the attack, and ours are basically throwing bombs almost safely. It was necessary to continue the war in Korea in the 53rd, too, utilizing the Chinese, who otherwise would have died of hunger anyway, and keeping the huge American army occupied. But Khrushch handed over everything and then all the same ours took part in Vietnam.
  7. sniperino
    sniperino 25 November 2020 09: 33
    -17%
    Quote: Dalny V
    All the arguments of the author, in my opinion, are far-fetched.
    You should see an ophthalmologist: such a look happens with strabismus.
  8. avdkrd
    avdkrd 25 November 2020 14: 33
    0
    Quote: Dalny V
    In short, as I see it, Mr. Putin for some reason needed a small victorious war, which he got into.

    The dominance of liberals, on the military patriotic site, is pretty annoying. The stupidest explanation, of all possible, about "Putin's little victorious war" and such a ridiculous comment, gained so many pluses in support. I'm surprised.
    The Russian Federation intervened in the conflict when no one even thought that Assad could be saved. The Barmalei were treated kindly by our Western "partners", their media sang ossan to "fighters for freedom and democracy", the ever-memorable McCain personally met with terrorists (officially recognized). A small and victorious war, even a complete one, could not have thought.
    Putin is not. And not almighty, and not a dictator who alone makes impulsive and rash decisions.
    Let me tell you a secret, Syria is a very important and truly strategic ally for Russia. Besides military bases in the Mediterranean, Syria is an obstacle to pipelines from the Gulf to Europe. Actually for the sake of the pipeline, the change of the regime was started by our "partners". In addition, as the author said, bearded men, it is much more practical to "recycle" away from our borders.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 25 November 2020 19: 27
      0
      Quote: avdkrd
      The dominance of liberals, on the military patriotic site, is pretty annoying. The stupidest explanation, of all possible, about "Putin's little victorious war" and such a ridiculous comment, gained so many pluses in support. I'm surprised.

      There are not only liberals here, but also communists, who are annoying even more recently. The logic behind such disadvantages is extremely simple - the Russian Federation is not the USSR, which means that everything has failed.
    2. anfreezer
      anfreezer 25 November 2020 22: 49
      0
      avdkrd, I agree with you ..... Some kind of conspiracy of pacifists is direct, not IN .... just kidding, of course, but the truth is, the number of pluses for such comments is annoying belay
  9. Hermit
    Hermit 25 November 2020 15: 36
    +9
    Quote: Far In
    However, the bearded barmaley still ended up in the Caucasus, in the very underbelly

    And so far it is not clear that they would be escorted out of there ...
  10. Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 29 November 2020 12: 32
    +1
    Colleague, you forgot about "forging the dough" and the fact that you did not allow to build a gas pipeline from Qatar. Which quite realistically threatened the interests of the owners of Gazprom.
  11. SARANCHA1976
    SARANCHA1976 30 November 2020 00: 22
    0
    A more correct title of the article Why we have been fighting for 5 years and cannot defeat a bunch of hicks in Syria
  • Pilot
    Pilot 25 November 2020 04: 36
    +6
    The whole question is not even about "what we are fighting for, but how we are fighting in Syria" and what these dirty dances lead to (proxy of the insolent "partner" in Karabakh, for example) - the claims are only to the upper ones. And here is this question, the tight-knit author Staver modestly kept silent.
    1. sleeve
      sleeve 25 November 2020 05: 02
      +2
      Here I agree. Here it is necessary to decide. It is clear that the "current diplomatic moment" and it is clear that the game is long. But in our backyard (a country bordering on Russia a priori zone of interests) is borscht.
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 25 November 2020 08: 41
      -14%
      Quote: Pilot
      The whole question is not even about, what we are fighting for, but how we are fighting in Syria, and what these dirty dances lead to (proxy of an insolent partner, in Karabakh, for example)

      In Karabakh? This insolent partner, as soon as he gathered a crowd of terrorists in Syria to send them to Karabakh, as soon as gifts from us flew in and there was no one to send ...

      If we had not brought in peacekeepers, they would not have stopped at the border of Armenia and then, in fulfillment of our obligations, we would have been forced to enter the war. The deployment of peacekeepers prevented this scenario.

      Putin chose the perfect moment, precisely the moment: yesterday - early, tomorrow - late, when there was a mess in the US administration in connection with the elections, at the moment when Trump dismissed the Secretary of Defense and all the subordinates were thinking only about their seats and all of them were not up to global politics.

      We, by our actions: in Crimea, in Syria, in Karabakh, show the whole world that where Russia is, there is peace. Some people really don't like that Russia has become a global player. Some people boom that our economy is torn to shreds. This is not the case, and the above-listed lightning operations carried out by the Russian Armed Forces are proof of this. This can only be done by a great power.

      If we have disadvantages - yes! Only the dead have no flaws.
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 25 November 2020 09: 21
        +10
        Boris .. you have too many assumptions ..
        1. Why the confidence about not stopping at the border of Armenia, if just after the helicopter the whole war stopped? those. just at first there was an attack across the border, and then immediately the peacekeepers, and not vice versa .. In addition, the peacekeepers were brought in by invitation, and not at the will of Putin .. and in the sense he chose when to enter? Taking into account the binding of the input to the helicopter, what did he choose when the helicopter was shot down?
        2. What does the US ministers and Trump have to do with it?
        3. What does the economy have to do with its success and:
        a) in fact, just a transfer of troops (Crimea, Karabakh);
        b) the participation of the Aerospace Forces in a limited conflict by the forces of a mixed air regiment without opposition from the air defense (I do not argue that it is successful) and other troops with a common force up to the brigade? besides, this one was barely pulled by the "Syrian express", which had to take dry cargo ships from the Turks ..
        4. I would very much like what you write to be true, but for now, alas, these are slogans and wishful thinking ..
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 25 November 2020 09: 50
          -7
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          1.Why is there confidence about not stopping at the border of Armenia

          The Armenians, on the territory of Armenia, must be destroyed with the help of the Azerbaijanis and Turkey. After that, Turkey protects Azerbaijan from Azerbaijanis and Turkey itself disappears from the political map of the World. Correct Armenians brought up by the Western civilization are brought to the territory of Armenia ... As a result of this war, the Armenians should be destroyed, the Azerbaijanis were accused of the Armenian genocide and destroyed by the hands of Turkey and the irregular army of Western terrorists.

          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          ... if just after the helicopter the whole war stopped?
          ... the peacekeepers were brought in at the invitation, not at the behest of Putin ..

          It was by the will of Putin that Putin explained what awaits them (see above) if they disagree with Putin's proposal. The helicopter was shot down to stop the process of bringing in peacekeepers, so that Russia would take one of the sides and get involved in the war.

          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          What does the US ministers and Trump have to do with it?

          Here is our sad experience:
          - in the war 08.08.08. When Prime Minister Putin was in China at the Olympics, when our control center of the general staff moved "to new apartments", when they could not get through to President Medvedev for XNUMX hours.
          - when the Olympics were held in Sochi, the Maidan "happened" in Ukraine ...

          The war does not start from a floundering bay. There is a thorough preparation and the most favorable moment is chosen (created).

          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          3. And what does the economy have to do with its success and ... ... in fact, it is just a transfer of troops (Crimea, Karabakh);

          Given that only a strong economy can support a strong army. Remember if at the beginning of the century we could carry out such operations, if for the second Chechen we were collecting little by little more or less combat-ready troops throughout Russia ... the former and legendary ...

          What other country is capable of transferring such a number of troops overnight, over such a distance? - only Russia. Pentagon generals change diapers for the third time ..
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 25 November 2020 10: 46
            +7
            1. "The Armenians, on the territory of Armenia, must be destroyed with the help of the Azerbaijanis and Turkey. After that Turkey protects Azerbaijan from the Azerbaijanis and Turkey itself disappears from the political map of the World. Correct Armenians brought up by Western civilization are brought into the territory of Armenia ..."
            Boris, are you kidding? Whose doctrine is this? and how in the modern world "the correct, brought up by Western civilization, Armenians are imported ..." is this to be done, the import of Armenians? How are blacks to America?
            2. "The helicopter was shot down in order to stop the process of bringing in peacekeepers, so that Russia would take one of the sides and get involved in the war."
            In the sense of? after the shooting down, the conversation started about peacekeepers, but not before ..
            3. How can anyone from the country's command not get through for a day? Do we live in the Middle Ages as messengers of the message, or do we have all the leadership of alcoholics?
            4. about the economy, in fact, you did not answer. By the way, in the second Chechen - it was much more difficult to create and maintain a grouping, it was stupid, much more than in Syria it was .. but in Syria, and this was hardly provided, it turned out that there were not enough ships ..
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 26 November 2020 09: 01
              0
              Quote: Level 2 Advisor
              Are you kidding? Whose doctrine is this?

              No, I'm not kidding. The relocation of the control center from the United States goes to China. From England to Iran, but Iran has not coped with its task in Syria. Turkey is now doing the dirty work for him.

              Quote: Level 2 Advisor
              after the shooting down, the conversation started about the peacekeepers, but not before ..

              Russia negotiated with the warring parties from the very beginning of the conflict. When this process came to its logical conclusion, then our helicopter was shot down. By the way, the gathering has not yet been announced in the troops of the peacekeepers, but some kind of radish has already informed our enemies about the agreement reached.

              Quote: Level 2 Advisor
              How can anyone from the country's command not get through for a day? do we live in the Middle Ages as messengers

              I was talking about President Medvedev, who most likely played an iPhone. The Supreme Commander (President) makes the final decision.

              Quote: Level 2 Advisor
              about the economy, in fact,

              Our economy is sufficient to ensure the protection of the country. Now there are big changes in the structure of government of the country (which are little talked about), which will undoubtedly lead to an increase in the well-being of all citizens.
              1. ermolenkomb
                ermolenkomb 29 November 2020 20: 44
                0
                Our economy is sufficient to ensure the protection of the country. Now there are big changes in the structure of government of the country (which are little talked about), which will undoubtedly lead to an increase in the well-being of all citizens.

                Read the list of these citizens in FORBS ... So far, everything that the government does not do consistently worsens the well-being of the absolute majority, and fabulously improves in persons especially close to the emperor ...
  • Tagan
    Tagan 25 November 2020 04: 36
    -18%
    Quote: Far In
    All the arguments of the author, in my opinion, are far-fetched. Just as an excuse for the very adventurous decision of our nation's sun. However, exactly the same arguments can be used to justify the presence of Americans in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and so on. But the main reason was called the prevention of bearded barmaley people in the Caucasus, in the underbelly of Russia. However, the bearded barmaley still ended up in the Caucasus, in that very underbelly.
    In short, as I see it, Mr. Putin for some reason needed a small victorious war, which he got into.

    Are you "oppositionists" all upside-down?
    It is strange that you have not cited Hitler as an analogy.
    1. lucul
      lucul 25 November 2020 07: 42
      -16%
      Are you "oppositionists" all upside-down?

      Yes, just a pile of little head rubbed)))
      1. Pilot
        Pilot 25 November 2020 20: 17
        -1
        Quote: lucul
        Are you "oppositionists" all upside-down?

        Yes, just a pile of little head rubbed)))

        laughing Klishas is deep in thought, and not whether to change the kippah to a “patriotic” English top hat, or else his brace will be written to the “opposition”. wassat
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 25 November 2020 05: 03
    +24
    I will stop the author's delight a little. The Syrian operation showed the readiness of the Russian army to act ... Against whom? Militants in pickup trucks and BMPs of the Soviet model? To bombing from a height of 5 km, in the absence of the enemy's military air defense? And everything like that? The readiness of the entire might of the army to confront the barmaley on the ground, sitting on two bases, surrounded by local government troops? It was shown to sink two aircraft from the so-called aircraft carrier in one campaign. Kill 29 people in a transport accident - showed. Several more fatal accidents from Mi-28 to Su-24 were shown. The murders of our generals were shown there. The shooting down of our reconnaissance plane by an ally was shown. They showed how the skies of all Europe were planted with a non-aircraft carrier. Only where does America and others, what did we show them then? That since 2008 we are still fighting on UAZs, Su-25 dive and BTR-80? And everything else is newer only at parades and exhibitions? Well, this does not surprise anyone. That finally we have our own cruise missiles, and we can bang them in the barmaley sheds? Well, cool, finally, in something, they almost caught up. Have the military gained experience? Well, here I agree. At least something. Fighting for 5 years of experience is cool.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 25 November 2020 06: 54
      +30
      Quote: TatarinSSSR
      It was shown to sink two aircraft from the so-called aircraft carrier in one campaign. Kill 29 people in a transport accident - showed.

      And as a result of the operation, Kuzya was put on a joke, and even the crane was dropped on him, and he was burned slightly. Plus the dock was drowned. Domokles has good achievements, there is nothing to say! I already doubt that Kuzya will be repaired.
    2. lucul
      lucul 25 November 2020 07: 41
      -21%
      The Syrian operation showed the readiness of the Russian army to act ... Against whom? Militants in pickup trucks and BMPs of the Soviet model? To bombing from a height of 5 km, in the absence of the enemy's military air defense? And everything like that? The readiness of the entire might of the army to confront the barmaley on the ground, sitting on two bases, surrounded by local government troops?

      Another foreign agent on allowance)))
      In Afghanistan, the USSR also fought against militants, not the regular army, and the losses of our soldiers there are very decent, and cannot be compared with the scanty losses in Syria.
      But your post was written with the aim of spoiling Russia ...
      1. TatarinSSSR
        TatarinSSSR 25 November 2020 08: 07
        +13
        Inagent is you, because you do not know that ground troops, a full-fledged grouping, have been introduced into Afghanistan. It was she who took on the main task of fighting the Majahideen. There is no such thing in Syria. In Syria, the main task on the ground is solved by Assad's army and Iranian units.
        1. lucul
          lucul 25 November 2020 09: 00
          -14%
          Inagent is you, because you do not know that ground troops, a full-fledged grouping, have been introduced into Afghanistan. It was she who took on the main task of fighting the Majahideen. There is no such thing in Syria. In Syria, the main task on the ground is solved by Assad's army and Iranian units.

          What prevented the USSR from doing exactly the same? And there would not have been 15 casualties of our soldiers. For comparison, 000 Russians died in Syria.
          But do you think the USSR did the right thing, and Putin leaked everything in Syria? Is that how it comes out of your first post?
          1. TatarinSSSR
            TatarinSSSR 25 November 2020 10: 10
            +6
            This is where I wrote about the correctness of the USSR? Or about the fact that someone leaked. I'm just trying to be objective. Do not think for the apponent of what he did not write.
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          3. Elturisto
            Elturisto 26 November 2020 12: 34
            +1
            Yes, yes, I suggest you go to Syria to die for Timchenko's phosphates, because he is the co-owner of deposits in Syria :) It is such a fight against terrorism, it should bring gesheft for the elite.
        2. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 25 November 2020 10: 18
          -2
          Quote: TatarinSSSR
          In Syria, the main task on the ground is solved by Assad's army and Iranian units.

          Unfortunately, it is not. The main tasks are solved by the Russian soldier. Only his name is "mercenary" and the state is not responsible for him.
      2. sniperino
        sniperino 25 November 2020 09: 48
        -12%
        Quote: lucul
        But your post was written with the aim of spoiling Russia.
        At least 40% of posts on VO are written for this very purpose; another 30 percent of the same posts - through the stupidity of those who believe that by sending streams of information to the Russian authorities today, they will heal better tomorrow, nmv. The review turned into an obsession.
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 25 November 2020 13: 06
          +6
          Sniperino, have you ever thought that the concept "there are 2 opinions: mine and wrong" is inadequate and flawed?
          And if you do not agree with what is stated, you need to argue with facts and the opponent continues to argue, it will look stupid .. And when you do not argue, you just accuse everyone who does not say what you like - in "shit" .. here you already look "not very" ..
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 25 November 2020 16: 17
            +2
            Quote: Level 2 Advisor
            And if you do not agree with the stated, you need to argue with facts and the opponent continues to argue, it will look stupid.
            Do you want facts? I have them. In most disputes on military-and-not-very-political topics, there are two constant groups of commentators: those who find or come up with mostly negative, and know exactly the culprit at the top of the vertical of control) and their opponents, acting in the opposite direction, approve of Putin's actions and looking primarily for the positive. Relatively speaking, depressants and antidepressants. It is a fact? I took the numbers offhand. You can count in any such article the number of such commentators, the frequency of their comments, the distribution of their ratings, and if you get other percentages, you can argue with the numbers. Or are you just embarrassed by the "uryakalka", but there are no complaints about the "all-rounders"?
            1. AUL
              AUL 25 November 2020 19: 27
              -1
              Quote: sniperino
              Do you want facts? I have them.

              So where are the facts? Again splashing saliva on "agents of the State Department" and nothing in essence! How boring it is ...
      3. parma
        parma 25 November 2020 09: 54
        +3
        Quote: lucul
        The Syrian operation showed the readiness of the Russian army to act ... Against whom? Militants in pickup trucks and BMPs of the Soviet model? To bombing from a height of 5 km, in the absence of the enemy's military air defense? And everything like that? The readiness of the entire might of the army to confront the barmaley on the ground, sitting on two bases, surrounded by local government troops?

        Another foreign agent on allowance)))
        In Afghanistan, the USSR also fought against militants, not the regular army, and the losses of our soldiers there are very decent, and cannot be compared with the scanty losses in Syria.
        But your post was written with the aim of spoiling Russia ...

        Are you aware of the losses among "volunteer musicians" in Syria? Minor losses (by the way, there are more than 108 people, even according to the Ministry of Defense, but since in Article 108 we start from these figures) these are only officially sent civil servants, the rest are not counted (officially) ...
        PS: You, apparently, wrote your post only to slander the USSR ...
        1. lucul
          lucul 25 November 2020 10: 10
          -8
          Are you aware of the losses among "volunteer musicians" in Syria?

          Do you know the real losses of our soldiers in Afghanistan?
          You, apparently, wrote your post only to slander the USSR ...

          I do not divide the country into Russian Empire / USSR / Russian Federation. For me it is always one country and I cannot have any claims to it. I can only have complaints about the leadership at a certain historical stage.
          But if you were Russian, you would not ask such questions.
      4. nonsense
        nonsense 25 November 2020 12: 01
        +8
        laughing judging by the assessment of your speech here the forum is simply teeming with foreign agents! Already 22 foreign agents have revealed their insidious intentions, assessing your "patriotic" impulse below the plinth ... Foreign agents are half of the country for the campaign and do not understand your "high feelings" ...
        1. lucul
          lucul 25 November 2020 12: 15
          -10%
          Already 22 foreign agents have revealed their insidious intentions, assessing your "patriotic" impulse below the plinth ... Foreign agents are half of the country for the campaign and do not understand your "high feelings" ...

          Russophobia is well paid, especially in Israel, many of our former compatriots, having moved to another country, sit on Russian forums and earn loyalty in the new country by Russophobia. This is far from a secret - if you moved, it does not mean that you were accepted there as your own - you must first prove your Russophobia, and only then you may be accepted into the Western world)))
          1. nonsense
            nonsense 25 November 2020 12: 22
            +2
            and what did the comrade TatarinSSSR tell you of the "Russophobic"? - just stated the facts ...
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    4. EvilLion
      EvilLion 25 November 2020 09: 31
      -11%
      The Syrian company, at least, has shown the ability to organize this process. They just didn't show it on the plane, and I hope they will saw through this misunderstanding so as not to remember it in the next 50 years. And it will be a discovery for you, but planes with helicopters fight in peacetime. However, to assert in one post about the bombing from 5 km altitude and the Su-25 from a dive, this is already in terms of psychiatry, mutually exclusive paragraphs.
    5. Elturisto
      Elturisto 26 November 2020 12: 42
      -2
      cruise missiles, as it were, are not quite their own, engines for the Kyrgyz Republic are only going to be produced. And the war is going on for the phosphates of Syria, without fertilizers to Turkey, Iran, -Kirdy. Syria is in the top five in reserves. Russian soldiers are dying for the business of Timchenko, he is a co-owner of Syrian deposits ...
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 26 November 2020 19: 30
        0
        Quote: ElTuristo
        cruise missiles, as it were, are not quite their own, engines for the CD are only going to be produced.

        Where is this from?
        1. Elturisto
          Elturisto 27 November 2020 09: 59
          0
          from there .... https: //www.uecrus.com/rus/presscenter/odk_news/2019/? ELEMENT_ID = 3145
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 27 November 2020 18: 16
            0
            Quote: ElTuristo
            https://www.uecrus.com/rus/presscenter/odk_news/2019/?ELEMENT_ID=3145

            An article a year ago (that is, everything has been launched for a long time), and I did not find anything about rockets.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 25 November 2020 05: 06
    +19
    In general, it seems to me that the military operation in Syria has become an indicator of the readiness of the Russian Armed Forces for serious actions outside the territory of Russia.

    Do you think or was it really? And how did you go through the case so quickly:
    many remember the shock of the information about the An-6 crash on March 2018, 26 at the Khmeimim airbase, when 39 of our guys died at once ...

    The shock was that
    On March 7, the Islamist group Jaysh al-Islam claimed responsibility for the downed plane, but no evidence was found. According to other sources, the plane was manufactured in 1980, and the reason for the disaster could be its deterioration

    Is this “your readiness”? Maybe remember how the pilots died, how and for what the spotter died? How did two planes "fall out" from Kuznetsov? How did he "shake" the foggy Albion with a plume of smoke, and then they told us about the "cold diesel"? How, after this "heroic campaign", he was put under repair from which he is unlikely to come out and stand up in operation, bringing daily hassles to the country about sunken docks, fires, coronavirus, readiness dates and other tinsel ...
    Such readiness is not sickly ... Yes, send a couple of "Sarmats" there and the whole world "would dry up on compote" ...
    Let's remember the IL-20 ... Let's list the "approvals" and "notifications" of the United States, Turkey, Israel ... Let's remember. how the West openly mocked Russia and Assad about the use of chemical weapons ...
    Where is this banner of Victory over the Syrian "Reichstag"? Why are the Russians dying there, if in 2017 it sounded:

    I feel sorry for those young guys and girls who did not have time to create families or give birth to children, but simply laid down their heads (EVEN NOT IN THE NAME, NOT THE CALL OF THE HEART) through an oversight of the command, because of bungling, because of a devil-may-care attitude to life citizens of Russia. And it is cynical to justify this with some lofty goals that could have been achieved in another way.
    For me, the lives of such people who believed in their homeland at the last minute are dearer than millions of people who "pray for help." UNDERSTAND? There are fewer of us in our country every year and I do not think it is possible to manifest human resources for the Assad family or anyone else, as well as “express indignation and chew snot” in response to provocations, and I do not consider it a possible option for manifesting foreign policy.
    So, dear comrade! And in memory of you - the war in Afghanistan, with its international duty ... The war in Vietnam, with its international duty ... Come on, explain now that it was very necessary ... Just do not forget to clarify - to whom exactly.
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  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 25 November 2020 05: 07
    -2
    The author, unwillingly, correctly described the main reason for our participation in this war - to show our teeth.
    To define its position on the world stage, so that everyone understands that Russia does not consider itself a "whipping boy".
    How did the specialists know better.
    I think it worked out partially. In some places there are obvious holes. And this is very sad.
    I am glad that our management also noticed these gaps and made some conclusions and sometimes even work on mistakes.
    The world is such a "jungle", if you don't eat anyone, then they eat you.
    1. Deck
      Deck 25 November 2020 06: 24
      0
      The world is such a "jungle", if you don't eat anyone, then they eat you.


      Whom have Germany and Norway, or, say, Canada eaten in recent years?
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 25 November 2020 06: 28
        -2
        Germany is an occupied territory.
        Canada is a junior partner.
        Norway, in general, too.

        The problem is that we were not even offered the place of a junior partner, only food.
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        2. Elturisto
          Elturisto 26 November 2020 12: 46
          -2
          You were not offered this :) And so the Russian oligarchs are junior partners. And you 40 rubles. for 1000 characters and that's enough :).
      2. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 25 November 2020 07: 47
        -3
        Quote: Deck
        Whom have Germany and Norway, or, say, Canada eaten in recent years?

        Germany? She ate the GDR. And it expanded to Eastern Europe. And walked across Greece, with a forged boot. Let the economic one ... This makes it no less difficult ... And Norway? Will you call Liechtenstein ...
      3. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 25 November 2020 07: 54
        +6
        Quote: Deck
        Whom have Germany and Norway, or, say, Canada eaten in recent years?

        Why is there - the terrible North Korea who ate ?! wassat
  • parusnik
    parusnik 25 November 2020 06: 13
    +11
    On the one hand, everything is correct, everything is correct ... On the other hand, Idlib is Turkish, in the oil production zone of the United States, the Kurds dream of independence ... Turkish patrols .. Yes, they beat up militants, got bases ... What are the future prospects? It turns out that there will be no peace in Syria for a very long time ..
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 25 November 2020 06: 58
      +18
      There is also such a point of view (quote from Kommersant 2015):
      Qatar wants to build a gas pipeline through Syria to Europe for its gas. And Iran wants it too! Any outcome of the war would undermine Gazprom's position. If the Syrian opposition wins, the Qataris will stretch their own gas pipeline (therefore, the Qataris are helping the opposition), and if Assad wins, the Iranians will stretch their pipe (therefore, the Iranians are helping Assad). But in both cases, Russia will be stuck in (censorship) as it will lose part of the European gas market. And therefore Russia is fighting in Syria in such a way that neither Assad will ever win, nor the opposition. Eternal war is what Russia needs from Syria so that there will never be a pipeline there.
      Personally, I really do not understand why we need this "button accordion", and even so far away? References to the fight against the barmaley do not stand up to criticism. They fought, fought, and they were already here - on the Caspian coast. Let's bomb! Fly closer. However, we are not flying, we are not bombing ...
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 25 November 2020 07: 08
        +8
        To catch up, so, for understanding. It is these gas pipelines that are absent due to the above. Well, who benefits from it ??? Perhaps Turkey is also profitable. Where is the southern hub now? It is with the Turks. So we kiss with a tomato in the gums, despite the stabs in the back.
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 25 November 2020 07: 31
          +1
          Qatar has already spat on this gas pipeline, realized that it did not work through the caliphate. And signed a contract of the century with China, most of it, South Korea, for the construction of 100 gas carriers. Kenguryatnikam.Smotryu Novatek got involved in this war, too, wherever the fleet can order. From Zvezda, Yu Korea and maybe Japan that will outweigh.
        2. lucul
          lucul 25 November 2020 07: 37
          -11%
          It is these gas pipelines that are absent due to the above.

          You will not see trees in the forest.
          If the reason was only in gas pipelines, they would have been thrown long ago bypassing Syria, or through Israel and further, along the seabed to Turkey, or through Iran and Turkey. These extra kilometers would cost 20 times less than sponsoring barmaley in Syria.
          So change the training manual.
        3. EvilLion
          EvilLion 25 November 2020 09: 35
          -8
          Why are you smiling with a tomato in your gums?
          1. your1970
            your1970 25 November 2020 12: 09
            +2
            Quote: EvilLion
            Why are you smiling with a tomato in your gums?

            Why did Brezhnev kiss Bokassa? Cannibal ?? ...
            "Politics is a dirty business" (c) M. Twain
      2. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 25 November 2020 07: 34
        -11%
        The fight with the barmaley should be carried out at a distant line and not in your yard. Or do you want to fight jihadists at your doorstep?
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 25 November 2020 07: 37
          +6
          They are already here, right behind the fence !!! So what? They beat far away, beat here too !!! Something I do not observe such activity
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 25 November 2020 07: 52
            -7
            I looked behind the fence, I see no one, no one to beat. hi
            1. NDR-791
              NDR-791 25 November 2020 08: 02
              +2
              Run to Karabakh, it's very close wassat
              1. Lech from Android.
                Lech from Android. 25 November 2020 08: 06
                -2
                Yeah right now belay I will separate the Armenians from the Azeris, I have nothing else to do.
        2. EvilLion
          EvilLion 25 November 2020 09: 37
          -10%
          No, he's just a fan of Chechen vidos, how they cut off our captives' heads. He wants a repetition, only with the Middle East and all that rabble who, for the sake of robbery, would have flocked to Central Asia and the Caucasus after the fall of Syria.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 25 November 2020 06: 19
    +21
    Agree, remembering the state that existed in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries AD and proclaiming its re-creation within the same boundaries as at that time, in the XNUMXst century, is difficult even for fairly educated people. But they wanted to recreate exactly that victorious caliphate, in the borders from Spain to India.


    It's hard to agree. The Caliphate has long been defeated. And with what the contingent of the Russian Federation is now fighting, you can fight for several centuries. This is an ethnic and religious conflict over sponsorship over the "hillock".
    Israel is acting more correctly: it has tightened the border regime to the maximum and has maximum control over its space. Periodically - someone is bombed. But the Israelis look at a real war through binoculars.
    Russia should use this experience with regard to borders and migrants.
    ps And there are enough terrorists in Yemen, Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nigeria, Mali ... even France. And what ?? .. Everywhere to conduct "exercises in a combat situation" ??
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 25 November 2020 09: 47
      -9
      So the contingent of the Russian Federation is not so much fighting there now as present, flying out as needed. The base itself is already good, especially for employees on it.

      As for Afghanistan, the irony is inappropriate, our guys on the Tajik-Afghan border are not, as it were, in combat conditions, the Tajik army itself is numerically insignificant and incapable of combat, only the presence of our contingent with aviation keeps our neighbors from major actions. The little ones are understandable non-stop, they carry drugs, they try. In Nigeria, IMHO, not terrorism, but just local gangs that slaughter each other, they have no ideological motive against us, well, they are far away. In general, the same France is constantly present in those places and is annoying someone.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 25 November 2020 06: 19
    +5
    Quote: srelock
    Besides the cost of the sign ... How much is it paid for?

    Libera's favorite trick when there is nothing to answer. Have you decided to compare your own earnings? )))
  • polar fox
    polar fox 25 November 2020 06: 36
    +22
    I don't even know ... with which of the guys I did not speak, who returned from a business trip. everyone says one thing: -for Sechin, for Rosneft! .. well, for good business trips (with subsequent rollback).
    1. mark2
      mark2 25 November 2020 08: 02
      +1
      . all say one thing: for Sechin, for Rosneft!

      Well, they say that. The ancestors had already fought for the king and the fatherland. Lost 2 wars and a country to the heap.
      .. well, for good travel (with subsequent rollback)

      And this is the right approach. Homeland - Homeland, but you need to get a gesheft out of it.
  • FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 25 November 2020 06: 46
    +17
    I have an ambivalent attitude towards this war. On the one hand, it is better to beat our Caucasian fellow citizens, as well as citizens of the former Soviet Central Asian republics there, than to run after them through the mountains and destroy them.
    On the other hand, our government, having plunged into the problem of the region, as well as Ukraine, has ceased, in principle, to deal with the country and its problems. The degradation is all-encompassing, starting with people and ending with the mechanisms of government. Apathy, indifference and chaos are everywhere. This is how I see it from my bell tower.
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 25 November 2020 08: 30
      0
      And this is as old as the world, to create problems for the enemy from the outside so that he scores on internal problems and, as a result of internal problems, displace an unwanted ruler, like and you yourself are to blame that your people are revolting.
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 25 November 2020 07: 07
    -10%
    Forgotten here some members of the forum or maybe they just did not see how young jihadists sent from the Caucasus cut the heads of the Syrians, carried out mass shootings, hung them up, drowned them, burned them, crushed them with tanks, ripped off their skin alive, welded them alive in boilers, just chopped off their heads and did it all with pleasure to the shouts of Allah Akbar. All these horrors were then planned to be transferred to the territory of Russia ... This alone gave us the full moral right to help the Syrians in the fight against this satanic offspring.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 25 November 2020 07: 53
      -6
      Yes, God forbid, they cut their heads. There were rollers, they themselves fell out of the tyrnet. It’s not like that. We were equated with the boy. We need a base in Syria, but we need it. Berks from AUG do not need to enter the Black Sea, they can perform a combat mission and from Mediterranean. We do not have so many nuclear submarines to control Mediterranean. For many reasons, we have a very difficult nuclear submarine fleet. We need Syria, except for them no one will give us a base in this region. So it’s good that we decided and Iraq began to look at our weapons with love. About Algeria and say nothing. We sold it well, but it still needs to be serviced. At VO we are constantly surprised by the American, French amounts of military contracts. The more we sell, the more money in our military-industrial complex. . You look at our military-industrial complex with time something will surprise. Until now, some do not believe in Zircons, Petrel and Poseidons. Honestly, it's time to please us with something super duper. We've spoiled!
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 25 November 2020 07: 56
        -7
        That's right, some members of the forum do not understand even these simple things or do not want to understand. hi
        1. polar fox
          polar fox 25 November 2020 08: 30
          +8
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          some members of the forum do not even understand these simple things or do not want to understand.

          some understand and know more than they write ... the VKS and the Americans and the Turks were so zealous for the "blacks" and ... no one touched the "green" ones, those who cut their heads directly ... you will answer why so?
        2. EvilLion
          EvilLion 25 November 2020 09: 48
          -5
          They are paid for "misunderstanding".
          1. Wizzzard
            Wizzzard 28 November 2020 15: 15
            0
            Quote: EvilLion
            They are paid for "misunderstanding".

            Ohhh ... Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh oh agents paid get bored. You, by the way, say opponents in kremleboty did not write down (maybe in vain). It’s a shame, because you’re not a shkolota, I think you will be older. Aki the record is worn out, and the needle is on the same track: "ahnt ... ahnt ... ahnt ..."
            Read a book or something. Nosova there or Gianni Rodari. You look, some enlightenment will come.
    2. evgen1221
      evgen1221 25 November 2020 08: 26
      0
      Well, this is an indispensable attribute of the struggle for democracy and geopolitics. The Americans pushed the Barmaleevs to Syria from Iraq (leaving only their controlled gangs in Iraq, the rest to Syria for self-sufficiency) It is also possible that the Americans are pulling oil from Iraq and Europe from Syria and Libya - and at the same time everyone pretends to be fighting with the suppliers of this oil on pickups with kpvt (remember the newcomers from the Toyota factory, don't you find successful weapon drops from planes exactly on the territory of militants?)
  • Obi-Wan Kenobi
    Obi-Wan Kenobi 25 November 2020 07: 11
    +8
    But anyway, why did we send our guys to fight? As trite as it sounds, we sent military personnel to defend our homeland. Defend Russia. Why am I writing like this? Yes, just because ...
    ... the author's surname is Kiselev-Soloviev!
    And that's it.
    Author! Stop writing all sorts of patriotic nonsense about defending your homeland in Syria! Are you taking us completely for fools?
    Russian guys were sent to fight for the oil and gas purse of our "zero tsar" and his oligarch friends.
    Russian soldiers are fighting in Syria because there is an order, and they perform feats because they are forced, because the situation is developing this way. Most often, the feat of a serviceman and (God forbid) his death is the result of an incorrectly planned command operation. For different reasons.
    But it has nothing to do with defending Russia.
    Hitler's back was broken in 4 years, and in Syria we have been fighting for 5 years. And there is no end in sight to this war.
    And it is not clear how many more Russian guys who died for Russia in Syria will be brought to Russia to be buried. Who needs it all is clear.
    It is unclear when our nullified king-father with his kents will answer for all this!
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 25 November 2020 07: 24
      -7
      The author's surname is Alexander Staver ... This is in my opinion you are talking liberal nonsense. hi
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 25 November 2020 09: 49
      -9
      Well done, 10 rubles. worked.
    3. your1970
      your1970 25 November 2020 12: 30
      +1
      Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
      Stop writing all sorts of patriotic nonsense about defending your homeland in Syria! Are you taking us completely for fools?

      Likewise, literally !!!!! - how the USSR kept its citizens- when he spoke about the international debt in Spain, Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, Mozambique, Cuba, Angola, Syria, Egypt and further, further, further, ...... With these very words of yours- " patriotic nonsense about defending their homeland in Syria "!!!
      Not?
      What was the USSR doing in Syria if there were no oligarchs with gas pipelines?
      Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
      And it's not clear how much more Russian Soviet guys who died for Russia USSR in Syria, will be brought to bury in Russia THE USSR.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 25 November 2020 07: 15
    +4
    If we ignore the global strategy, then Syria was a gathering place for terrorism, just like Afghanistan. Thus, our guys also cleanse the place from this infection. You can write anything, but you don't want to.
    1. Varyag71
      Varyag71 25 November 2020 08: 51
      0
      Syria is such a place for ordinary people.
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 25 November 2020 10: 24
      +2
      Quote: nikvic46
      Syria has been a gathering place for terrorism, just like Afghanistan
      Two in one: collection point + training.
  • Sunstorm
    Sunstorm 25 November 2020 07: 25
    +4
    "What are we fighting for?"
    Probably for the Motherland, since a soldier understands the Homeland as "orders of the authorities" (that is, subordination). What was shown - a bunch of problems and the ability to solve them. (Yes, it was possible not to take Kuzya out ... and would we have known then? Yes, we could not have taken off from his side, but would we have known then? Nope, we would have lived in the illusion that everything Soviet works reliably ... In fact, I hope we realized the fact that the army must a) be fed, b) taught new things, c) provided with modern weapons. Losses are a natural factor, a person who goes to serve in the army receives compensation for risk through: salary, housing, status, etc. Shedding crocodile tears over 100+ people is certainly possible, but how many people die in the Russian Federation on the roads? (For 19 years, something about 17 thousand ...) To humiliate the enemy's ability to fight. "Well, who did you beat pick-ups and old armored personnel carriers there?"
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 25 November 2020 08: 19
      -1
      Well, amer and inappropriately cope, because they both the government and the barmalee are selling their oil (strangely not, with the outbreak of the war in Syria, benz has risen in price, the amers have sharply reduced benz in prices, and where are the firewood). barmaleev skates so that the new government is super-compliant, otherwise the amas will leave and the barmaley will hang you, so drive oil, take loans. With the barmaley in Iraq, it's the other way around - drive oil, buy weapons, otherwise we will smear you on the dunes)
    2. Essex62
      Essex62 25 November 2020 09: 20
      -2
      Except for the embarrassment with Kuzya, everything else is within the framework. There is no war without losses, and in the Union, during exercises, there were losses. The army exists in order to fight. And carelessness is present in it.
      Defense of the Motherland, of course, too much. Syria is not Stalingrad. Protection of the interests of the aligarchic state - yes. So what to do if we have it today? He said "yes", climbed into the cockpit, closed the lantern, flew. Oath. And let the top ones come up with motives.
      Russian autocrats got into all European wars. The latter even helped with his stupidity, creating a unique opportunity to knock out the backbones. And the Red Army - CA fought a lot and with taste, outside the borders of the Fatherland. Well, what can a Ryazan boy owe to a bearded farmer? However, with stupid motivation GLAVPUR (read Suslov) justified the war in Afghanistan and nothing. Rolled. The main thing is to justify and raise the morale, on this the army keeps fighting.
      The pipe through Syria, or rather not allowing it, is a very serious motive for us to be there. This is to the motives of the top. I think the decision is correct. At this stage, while the country is like that. This, oddly enough, is in the interests of the citizens of the Russian Federation. Apart from hydrocarbons, we have no sources, at least somehow, to support the social sector. And Geyropa is the main consumer-buyer.
      1. Sunstorm
        Sunstorm 25 November 2020 21: 16
        +3
        On many points you are mistaken: 1) Russian tsars intervened in all European wars ... Alexander III? 2) Oligarchic, socialist, democratic, futuristic - they don't choose their homeland, they serve it, they defend it, (the soldier has a submachine gun attached to the gun) 3) In terms of carbohydrates ... it's also not true, but the question is how the Saud live? Why shouldn't we live too? (I do not say that this is good, but it is so) ... And so on and so on
    3. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 25 November 2020 09: 38
      -1
      Quote: Sunstorm
      Has the US dealt with pickups in Iraq?

      What didn't work out ?! Like Mosul was taken, and Fallujah with Tikrit
      1. Sunstorm
        Sunstorm 25 November 2020 21: 17
        +1
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Quote: Sunstorm
        Has the US dealt with pickups in Iraq?

        What didn't work out ?! Like Mosul was taken, and Fallujah with Tikrit

        What year? With the help of volunteers from Iran and Kurds? Yes we did it.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 26 November 2020 07: 49
          -1
          Quote: Sunstorm
          What year? With the help of volunteers from Iran and Kurds? Yes we did it.

          in 2016-2017. With the help of the Iraqi army and the 101st US Airborne and 1st Infantry Divisions. The Kurds have always been American proteges. "Volunteers from Iran" is the local Shiite militia of Hashd al-Shaabi. Why argue with the obvious?
  • Free wind
    Free wind 25 November 2020 07: 31
    -10%
    For the duck, they howl there.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 25 November 2020 07: 37
      -7
      It's not true, this is the look of Gozman and Kasparov, and their supporters seem to have begun to gather here, wanting Russia to be silent in a rag somewhere in the far corner.
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 25 November 2020 10: 38
        -5
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        this is the view of Gozman and Kasparov, it seems that their supporters began to gather here
        5 years ago they would have been broadcasting here under bandit shoulder straps with skulls, and today in the majority - with shoulder straps of senior officers and generals of the Russian Federation, albeit "on paper". In such conditions, I would replace shoulder straps on the forum with a numerical ratio of all the pros and cons received.
  • t-12
    t-12 25 November 2020 07: 52
    +5
    With all due respect to our fighters and the difficulties of their work, I would not call the Syrian War an "invaluable school". The successful bombing of "babays" with Kalash, home-made mortars, carts and kamikaze-mobiles does not say anything about the strength of the Russian troops and their ability to fight any serious enemy armed with aircraft, missiles, artillery, echeloned air defense.

    Well, this is -
    89 thousand militants were killed.

    ... and how many appeared in 5 years new militants? In general, on the territory of Africa and Asia, you can recruit at least ten million people who have nothing to lose and who are ready to die for mere pennies or for a fairy tale about paradise houris.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 25 November 2020 08: 18
      +3
      Quote: t-12
      In general, on the territory of Africa and Asia, you can recruit at least ten million people who have nothing to lose and who are ready to die for mere pennies or for a fairy tale about paradise houris.

      And then pin up and proudly declare it!
      Terrorism in general is a social phenomenon. It is necessary to destroy the prerequisites for its emergence, first of all. Social inequality, poverty, hunger, lack of free medicine and education, unemployment, etc. In general, socialism is the best medicine for terrorism, and under capitalism it will always be.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 25 November 2020 19: 35
        +2
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        In general, socialism is the best cure for terrorism

        The Alpha anti-terrorist unit was created under socialism.
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 25 November 2020 07: 53
    +3
    What are we fighting for in Syria?
    The question is very interesting ...
    And there are many answers to it - the fight against terrorists on the distant approaches,
    "show our teeth", do not let competitors build gas pipelines, along the way
    testing new types of weapons to increase their competitiveness
    on the market, ...
    What results have you achieved? This question is even more interesting, and there are many different answers, depending on what tasks were set.
    For us, the townsfolk, no one will tell the whole truth, and we will be content with the assessment of events from the Kisilev-Nightingale, and our own "cleverness" on such resources as VO and others like him.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 25 November 2020 08: 03
      -6
      Analyze all sources of information now there are enough of them to keep your finger on the pulse of events. You can not easily find a fish from the pond ... Or do you want someone to chew everything for you and put chewed informational food in your mouth for free. smile hi
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 25 November 2020 08: 06
        +10
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        You can easily find a fish from the pond ... Or do you want for free ...

        No need to rate the commentator, comment
        article and comments to it.
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 25 November 2020 08: 16
          +2
          Sorry hi... Bursting into the heat of the argument.
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 25 November 2020 08: 02
    +1
    In general, ours almost never fought with the Caliphate, but mostly with the greens. Palmira da Deir ez-Zor at the end. And so in Syria and the Turks in northern Syria, NATO members fought with him with the hands of the Kurds, but the main battles were in Iraq.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 25 November 2020 08: 09
    -6
    Sonselikogo, if anyone closely followed the development of events in Ukraine since 2013, Immediately after the Maidan, first in the Western press and afterwards through the the fight against terror and more. Further, after the Maidan and Donbas, a behind-the-scenes bargaining apparently took place - ukrov is not accepted into NATO immediately, the supplies of the flying weapons ukram are frozen,
    We slow down vacationers in Donbas and promise something else, but we are harnessed to fight in Syria for the aid of the coalition led by the United States. Vova already has a lot of problems, and in Syria he decided to quickly bomb out, to disperse the barmaleev - hence the pace for the first time. Further, seeing that this is how Vovan and everyone will disperse and take Syria under his control (Crimea is fresh in his memory), the coalition panicked (the fleets of the Ams and Europe, did the tomogavs in Tartus remember?) seriously) - (We remember the ambassador, the coup, the tomatoes and the Kurds abruptly got out with their independence). Further, apparently, because of Vova's pace, there is another agreement within NATO on dividing into zones of influence, what to control, to stand and not let go. to spend money on a war where the hell is when we are already at war in Donbas in full and the economy is already starting to blow away. Everyone can check my view of the Syrian geopolitical showdown and make sure for himself - all the archives of newspapers and broadcasts are on the network - read and write in two columns (what happened, what was in Syria and what was written about in the West) Well, if you want to see something , because the longer something lasts, the less people want to get to the source.
  • Varyag71
    Varyag71 25 November 2020 08: 22
    0
    We have nothing to do outside our homeland! And in the age of capitalism, especially Russian, all these operations are associated only with oil and gas.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 25 November 2020 08: 25
      -6
      From outside these borders of the Motherland, various bad guests with Turkish daggers and American democracy are arrogantly coming to us.
    2. your1970
      your1970 25 November 2020 12: 39
      -1
      Quote: Varyag71
      We have nothing to do outside our homeland!

      Good thought ... Fresh ...
      And most importantly, it is very beneficial for .... USA !!!!!!
      1. Varyag71
        Varyag71 25 November 2020 13: 24
        0
        You know better in the USA
        1. your1970
          your1970 25 November 2020 17: 03
          0
          Me - in the USA? fool fool
          With your thinking, Russia would never go beyond Kazan, even beyond Ryazan, territorially ...
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 25 November 2020 09: 31
    +9
    "What are we fighting for": 5 years of Russia's military presence in Syria
    Russia is fighting for its economic interests in Syria, Turkey for its own, the international coalition led by the United States for its own, and all together, for the interests of its ruling classes.
  • Niel-le-Calais
    Niel-le-Calais 25 November 2020 11: 31
    +4
    wow .... eulogy
    not only reached the shores of Syria, not only opposed the American fleet with its might,

    so pretentious and slogans.
    main reason
    They have long tried to oust Russia from the Middle East political and, most importantly, economic space.

    that she herself curtailed her influence everywhere. But the policy of protecting its own (gas) market has led to the need to participate in this civil war.
    Was it so important for Russia the existence of this Islamic State (prohibited in the Russian Federation) in Syria

    yeah ... if you also consider that the main "terrorist" for the operation was not it.
    When you have already learned to write what was the main goal and who was bombed ...
    Some bombed some others. But everyone mentions the "scary" one as a horror story for the population with the Internet, which cannot distinguish some Arabs from others.
    In general, "who should be" was bombed
    There was a question
    What for?
    How much did it cost?
    More than one war is in the interests of Gazprom, but profits are falling ..
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 November 2020 12: 16
      -8
      In the interests of Gazprom, more than one war, but profits are falling .. Oil and gas prices are rising again, and yes, Gazprom of the state office depends on it in the first place, and what kind of "won" they unleashed in the interests of Gazprom?
  • WayKheThuo
    WayKheThuo 25 November 2020 13: 07
    +7
    Being expressed by a civilian, apart from 2 years of service in the Soviet Army (hereinafter - SA), my position can be very controversial.
    Nevertheless, I believe:
    1. The army must fight. Not to be ready for war - you can never be fully prepared for it, namely to fight.
    2. In our country, any "double bass", and even more so an officer must fully understand a simple thing: you must always be ready to kill for the sake of your country and your people, and if you have to, then die.
    3. If you do not agree, do not want, you consider such a formulation of the question inhuman - you have no place in the army, for see paragraph 1.
    4. It is vital that combat experience is not a kind of exclusive, as in the SA, but the norm, the everyday practice of the army of the Russian Federation.

    Therefore, I believe that we need a war in Syria, and not only there. Not even so - it is necessary, because without a constant military "movement" the army is instantly flooded with bellied men, who only think to "unwind" the term and crawl to retirement.
    As for the talk about the fight against terrorists - well, I think this is secondary - something like informational white noise, because they were beaten and beaten, and in Karabakh, from somewhere, about 2000 Syrian mercenaries "appeared", count almost at our borders.

    I would also like to say about the victims.
    The fighters who died in the performance of their professional duties are wars, real heroes of our time, and one should not humiliate their memory with endless howling and lamenting about innocently ruined souls - these people were not innocent victims of the bloody Pu, they simply did their duty to the end.
    Eternal memory and gratitude to them for this, and even better - the maximum possible and comprehensive help to their families.
    I think so.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 25 November 2020 14: 09
      0
      Quote: WayKhe Thuo
      Therefore, I believe that we need a war in Syria, and not only there. Not even so - it is necessary, because without a constant military "movement" the army is instantly flooded with bellied men, who only think to "unwind" the term and crawl to retirement.

      The Strugatskys have a story "A guy from the underworld", just about such an "eternal warrior". In general, in general, according to your post, you can answer with a quote from Machiavelli
      1. WayKheThuo
        WayKheThuo 25 November 2020 14: 38
        +5
        I agree, but partially.
        Firstly, "The guy from the underworld" is a little about something else - the ending of the book speaks about it especially vividly - he just wanted to return home.
        Secondly - I completely agree with Machiavelli, but the quote is a little "out of the box", because war is a conscious necessity, not sugar. The army must train constantly and if there was an opportunity to "pump" not just individual soldiers, but the most complex system of combat control and coordination of various types of troops without war, I would be very, very happy, but is it possible? Question.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 25 November 2020 15: 18
          0
          Quote: WayKhe Thuo
          "The guy from the underworld" is a little bit different - the ending of the book speaks about it especially vividly - he just wanted to return home.

          Oh, don't make it up. He simply could not live without war, in principle. I even trained a robot as a soldier.
          They walked past me in silence, and only at the cabin itself, stopping, said:
          - You know, he has killer eyes ...
          “He is the killer,” Korney replied quietly. - Professional ...
          1. WayKheThuo
            WayKheThuo 25 November 2020 16: 50
            +6
            Everyone sees what he sees:
            No, it was an Alai. An ordinary southerner Alai ... Obsession. They went to the car. The driver, grunting and bubbling, climbed into the cockpit, barked from there: "Come on!" The engine howled, the mud flew like a fountain, and he kept pushing, pushing, pushing and thinking: “At home. Houses…"


            By the way, a soldier and a murderer are not the same thing - I really respect the Strugatskys, but sometimes liberalism rushes like a fountain of them and at the same time no, absolutely no recipes for solving real problems are offered, but high thoughts and nobility are above the roof.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 25 November 2020 19: 39
              -1
              Quote: WayKhe Thuo
              liberalism of them rushes like a fountain and at the same time no, absolutely no recipes for solving real problems are offered, but high thoughts and nobility are above the roof

              For me, they are just promoted to the limit and that's it.
      2. Dart2027
        Dart2027 25 November 2020 19: 38
        +1
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        The Strugatskys have a story "The guy from the underworld"

        But the communards of the future very famously divide people into supermen and untermenshes.
        Here is a good article analyzing their work using the example of another book in the cycle.
        http://www.odnako.org/blogs/kasta-blagorodnih-donov-o-glavnoy-oshibke-sovetskogo-chelovekostroeniya/
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 25 November 2020 19: 54
          +2
          Quote: Dart2027
          But the communards of the future very famously divide people into supermen and Untermensch.

          Truth? - Well, name a social system that puts social equality at its core. Whose will you, so to speak ?!
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 25 November 2020 20: 58
            0
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            Truth? - well, name the social system that puts

            First, here the work of the Strugatskys and the "World of Eternal Half Day" invented by them is examined.
            Secondly, in any system there were and will be those who are "more equal than others" in real life.
        2. WayKheThuo
          WayKheThuo 25 November 2020 20: 56
          +2
          But the communards of the future very famously divide people into supermen and untermenshes.

          I read the Strugatskys up and down, but somehow it did not strike my eyes. Of course, if you cling to and "disassemble", then you can dig into the pillar.
          And if we talk about the division of people into "lambs and goats", then this is the image of the GG's friend in "The Master and Margarita" deified by our "intelligentsia". This is where the real portrait of the "Creakles" is given, because what did Margot do first, having received the miraculous ointment? Exactly, I went / flew scores and scoffed at poor women in a communal apartment, while being the same TP - I did not work anywhere for a day, lived with her husband like Christ's in the bosom and walked to the left. Such a normal, positive "tube" heroine.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 26 November 2020 19: 31
            0
            Quote: WayKhe Thuo
            Of course, if you cling to and "disassemble", then you can dig into the pillar.

            I have provided a link for a detailed breakdown with quotes.
            Quote: Dart2027
            http://www.odnako.org/blogs/kasta-blagorodnih-donov-o-glavnoy-oshibke-sovetskogo-chelovekostroeniya/
  • victor50
    victor50 25 November 2020 13: 53
    0
    Quote: sleeve
    Belarus is more expensive than the Northern Fleet

    And why didn't Alexander 3 break it off? lol
  • Azamat Ramazanov
    Azamat Ramazanov 25 November 2020 14: 38
    +2
    High words, no more
    This war is for the interests of our Gazprom
  • Ragnarok
    Ragnarok 25 November 2020 17: 24
    +1
    We are all fooled, blinded and bred in different trenches - "divide and conquer", an ancient proven scheme. While the peoples are stuck in endless squabbles for nothing, real evil is completely free to build up its power and strengthen its influence in every point of the Earth, in every head and in every soul.
  • Sergebor
    Sergebor 25 November 2020 18: 00
    +2
    In 2001, the Americans, having arranged a "terrorist attack" on the towers of the shopping center, untied their hands to climb anywhere with or without reason. And, I think, the action was to enter Afghanistan. In 2003, they demolished Saddam Hussein in Iraq, and as a result, Iran was squeezed from both sides by pro-American countries. Iran is the main prize for the BV ... This is the access to the Caspian Sea. But to fight Iran on your own, turning the Arab world against oneself is not a good thing. ISIS was created for this. Controlled, of course, by the CIA. All that remained was to kick up Syria, a potential ally of Iran, not to get a blow in the back when attacking Iran. Syria was almost killed and had not brought its contingent into the Russian Federation, Iran would have been drowning in blood long ago, and the babai would have been running around the Caucasus with might and main. And the Caspian would be ruled not by the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan, but by the Russian Federation and the United States. So the contingent in Syria is not primarily to help Assad in return for oil production in Syria. On the ground in Syria, it was mostly the Iranians who fought. Russia helped Iran rebound from the threat of being captured by ISIS. And prevent amers from visiting the Caspian deposits.
    For some "patriots" a country is something that is personal and belongs only to them personally. Real estate and real estate. Well, your own ass. They do not see anything beyond it, so they do not need to get in anywhere and the authorities, among other things, should think only about their well-being and only long afterwards about the security of the state.
    ps I must also add that the Russian Federation was waiting for the Americans themselves to declare to the whole world that ISIS is terrorists and the United States will fight them. After that, Russia’s hands were untied and the Americans could hardly have blabbed something while watching the Russian Aerospace Forces bombing their proxies on the BV. The trap slammed shut.
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  • Radikal
    Radikal 25 November 2020 23: 29
    +1
    I will name only one of the figures on the effectiveness of the actions of the Russian army. 89 thousand militants were killed. Of these, 4,5 immigrants from the former republics of the USSR. There are many numbers. Finding them is not difficult.
    Have not found. Where does the figure come from - 89 fighters? Where is 000 from? sad
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 26 November 2020 07: 52
      +2
      "Write more, why should you feel sorry for them, basurmans!" (A. V. Suvorov) lol
  • Nikolay Vladimirovich
    Nikolay Vladimirovich 26 November 2020 00: 28
    -1
    For some reason, the author of the article does not mention another interesting reason. By 2015, ISIS had clearly defined its anti-civilization, anti-Christian and anti-European foundation. Therefore, in the bulk of the Western population, a negative attitude was already formed towards him. Western desire to overthrow Assad has begun to wane amid growing resentment against ISIS. The Russian leadership chose the moment and made an attempt to IMPROVE relations with the West, playing on the "synergy" of anti-ISIS sentiment in the West. Russia invited the West to work together! To create a positive mutual emotion bringing the two parts of European civilization closer together. Create preconditions for reconciliation after the Ukrainian squabble. The West was given a chance. Today it is clear that the West did not want to take advantage of this chance. Sorry. We still didn’t lose. Because all the other reasons for our "Syrian presence" are indicated by the author of the article correctly.
  • misti1973
    misti1973 26 November 2020 01: 06
    -2
    The usual and - let's say so - a typical picture - to shove a lie at the very beginning, having previously pumped it up with patriotic frenzy! These ISIS never spoke of Russia as an enemy! Unbelievable but true! They considered America the main evil, and Putin's Russia in their eyes was a clear opponent of the United States. The enemy of my enemy is my friend :) Further, interestingly, ours there not so much fought with IS, as with the so-called SSA (Syrian Free Army (and leaning Front of An Nusra to them. (However, how much they interacted is also a question). It was a clear threat to Assad and to Iran, and not the fucking IS, which roamed the desert and had practically no serious goals. All this nonsense about the Caliphate is good enough. only for suckers, because only suckers can believe that a bunch of mismatched rabble can create a stable state (and even with such manners :), and even on the territory of a defeated country. They were only good enough to create a mess there. seize power and, as you know, next to ISIS absolutely
    Never put it. Rather the opposite! Everything else is too lazy to even tell, because the author writes things that propaganda usually "rubs in", and whoever wants to can read at least El Murid - he gives a more or less correct picture. I don’t want to play bloggers. Boring.
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  • vsoltan
    vsoltan 26 November 2020 12: 37
    0
    The author does not think that this war is simply for the interests of oil companies and pipelines?
  • Alexander Vorontsov
    Alexander Vorontsov 26 November 2020 13: 00
    0
    And "Kuznetsov" can, if necessary
    You know, I would like to recall one ship, which was undeservedly ridiculed, including by our media. I'm talking about the heroic campaign of "Admiral Kuznetsov". Almost two thousand heroes, crew members of the ship, which, despite being old and in need of repairs, not only reached the shores of Syria, not only with its power resisted the American fleet, but also became an airfield for Russian carrier-based aircraft. For the first time, naval deck pilots took part in the war, and for the first time from the deck of the Admiral Kuznetsov. By the way, these pilots made 420 sorties!

    I understand why the deceased aircraft corrector is a hero.

    And why these 2000?
    420 flights are analogous to 15 days of Khmeimim's work based on average indicators.
    15 days against 1500 - contribution 1/100
    Given that these 400 sorties accounted for 2 losses of aircraft not from enemy fire.


    Can we be more careful with the concept of "heroes"?
    With all due respect to work, whatever it may be, but let's divide ... people who went alone to an area full of sick terrorists, risking that in case of captivity, a perverse execution could be shown around the world. And the people who were on the aircraft carrier risked a little less, to put it mildly.
  • rozman
    rozman 26 November 2020 16: 49
    +1
    No country can wage a big war without "flexing its muscles" in a small one. Young guys who want to "shoot" will always be found on both sides. Only "old people" understand the real "cost" of war, life and death.
  • Berg berg
    Berg berg 26 November 2020 19: 23
    +1
    If you were at war, you would not ask such a question! And our soldiers are fighting so that these watchdogs do not appear with us and we sleep peacefully!
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 27 November 2020 00: 42
    0
    From the "Pros":
    1) Combat experience for aviation, special forces, sappers, reconnaissance, the use of high-precision and new weapons, and their testing.
    2) Base of influence in the region
    3) Potential advertising of our weapons, if successful. Image campaign of our combat capability aimed at hotheads abroad.
    4) The ability "on the sly" to recruit smart people in the region for the needs of our intelligence
    5) The ability to better probe samples of a number of technical products of a potential enemy (which is used by Israel, for example).

    From the "Cons":
    1) Expensive. I have big doubts that ATS is now what to pay, therefore we will pay ourselves. And we have not the best times, and for a long time. As one character in Crimea said, "there is no money ..."
    2) Long. Dragged on, sir. People are dying, there is no end and end to this mess.
    3) Partisanism. The experience of fighting the bearded radicals in our country is already in bulk. This is such a thing that it is better not to overestimate.
    4) Attachment. In the form of ATS. Which will have to help build and organize, despite the fact that we ourselves are not perfect either with construction or with organization.
    5) In general, it's someone else's party. To be honest, this is not really our region. Or rather, not ours at all. Not our belief (in the overwhelming majority), there is no land border, that the SAR, that Iran is in very bad relations with Israel, which would probably not be the best acquisition of our country in the enemies. Turkey, Israel, Iran are all in general the neighbors of the SAR, their relations are the fruits of many years of idiocy that has been happening in the region. And they will have to rake it - by themselves. Specifically, it would not bring us ANY benefits, if they rake it out, what is not. Because this is not our region.

    As for "knocking out the militants on distant approaches" - gentlemen, this is far-fetched nonsense. As these militants relatively calmly left the territory of the Russian Federation and are fighting there, they will also return "if something happens" - because the money they earned (after all, not only by a single faith ...) and the region's very broad transport capabilities will quite allow them to stay in our a country from almost anywhere. At one time, we knocked out fascism on the distant approaches during the war in Spain - for which we received from the grateful Spaniards a "blue division" of morally motivated fighters who had a grudge against the country, about which they had heard little before the Civil War.

    In general, the fact that we helped the SAR in the fight against IS is a positive and right moment. However, the conflict does not subside and transforms - this requires the further commitment of our resources without a guarantee of the result. I see this as a potential danger that outweighs the benefits already gained.
    1. ermolenkomb
      ermolenkomb 29 November 2020 21: 13
      +1
      1) Combat experience for aviation, special forces, sappers, reconnaissance, the use of high-precision and new weapons, and their testing

      nothing particularly new in Syria has not been tested (well, except perhaps for attack helicopters, which had no experience of combat use). All the rest are samples that were created 20-30 years ago. I consider it a waste of money to shoot rockets from the Caspian at the jeeps of the Barmaleevs :-)

      1) Expensive. I have big doubts that ATS is now what to pay, therefore we will pay ourselves. And we have not the best times, and for a long time. As one character in Crimea said, "there is no money ..."

      here I am furiously plus ... We seem to constantly forget that we are not the USSR, not the United States, and not China, which have the means for such a movement, but we do not, and it is very difficult to get the slightest gesheft out of this situation
  • Jubilee
    Jubilee 27 November 2020 16: 39
    0
    For Gazprom and Rosneft. For Vova Shelomov's friends, whom he does not abandon.
  • Robert Korsunsky
    Robert Korsunsky 28 November 2020 22: 47
    0
    The most offensive thing is that our military in Syria are showing miracles of heroism in fact for the interests of our oil and gas oligarchy, and that's it!
    1. PVM
      PVM 8 December 2020 15: 19
      0
      The Syrians flee to the rear immediately after the first shots, throwing their weapons shouting "Allahu Akbar!"
  • Oleg ratay
    Oleg ratay 29 November 2020 14: 06
    0
    89 thousand? They would write a million at once. Why be ashamed.
  • prelovskij
    prelovskij 29 November 2020 19: 41
    0
    Russia needs to deliver a nuclear strike against the United States and this will end the Great Patriotic War. The US cannot retaliate with a nuclear strike against Russia, it has already tried it many times. http://www.litsovet.ru/index.php/material.read?material_id=584764
  • kig
    kig 30 November 2020 03: 34
    0
    It is good that they thought of not starting ground operations. Or they didn't think of starting. The result is one, the meaning is different.
  • svoit
    svoit 30 November 2020 09: 44
    0
    I still don't understand whether 108 Russians or servicemen were killed? First about some, then about others ...
    1. fliger85
      fliger85 30 November 2020 13: 41
      0
      It's just that others have nothing to do there.
  • fliger85
    fliger85 30 November 2020 13: 38
    +1
    Do you know what it is if Muslims will swing their rights? And if Syria is not helped, then Muslims will rule there. And what is this, you know. Orthodox churches will be closed and mosques will open in them. Do you remember that in Turkey the Orthodox Church of St. Sophia was converted into a mosque? Command order. What does this mean? About the aggressiveness of musols. Vladimir Putin saved Ardoban's life not long ago from attempts at liquidation by the Freemasons from the United States, opened a large Muslim mosque in Moscow, and Bardagan is oppressing his line, making it worse for Moscow. Therefore, it is NOT possible to allow Muslims to win in Syria! This is the defense of Russia and the entire Orthodox world. Eternal memory to our guys who died there, defending Russia from Muslims in the command role.
    1. PVM
      PVM 8 December 2020 15: 15
      0
      If the idiot, then it is for a long time. Maybe even for good.
  • Silinvv
    Silinvv 1 December 2020 16: 09
    0
    Two reasons with which I can still agree is the training of personnel and testing of samples of military solutions in combat conditions, and the second reason is to make it clear to those wishing to attack Russia that the answer will be very painful, and this could be shown in the European theater of operations. which would have a much greater effect. Everything else is talk for the poor. Speaking of the latter, having spent colossal money on Syria, I did not notice that my parents received a tangible addition to their pension, on the contrary, it is already very often infa that my generation (and I have 12 years left) will not see a pension at all. I'm not talking about inflation of "4%", the "efficiency" of the work of state corporations, the general drop in the standard of living of the population, "an excellent vaccine against covid", which has been advertised for six months, but I suffered severe covid and how and how many people I saw from the first row, incl. morning loading of the dead during the night. No, I don’t argue that our medicine has become excellent again (no sarcasm), the roads are good, clean, the infrastructure is developing well, but we are isolated, I have no confidence that the war will not start tomorrow or we will receive another "hello" from the Nazis or s, after which inflation of 4% will remain, but prices will go into space, I do not quite understand why you need to spend money on the restoration and protection of Azerbaijan (who knows, tell me), Moldova ... Syria ... maybe it's time to start to invest this money in the citizens of Russia? no? I'm wrong?
    1. Andrey sh
      Andrey sh 4 December 2020 19: 06
      -1
      Not the fact that you even had covid as well as a serious condition from him. Apparently, they are stuffed with drugs by typing. Where are the results of ANALYSIS on normal equipment, and not on tests? Aha - with the full composition of blood, sputum, what forms of viruses and bacteria are in the samples? Batya has a reaction to analgin - doctors look at the medical history and prescribe ... analgin. Through one!
  • Andrey sh
    Andrey sh 4 December 2020 19: 01
    0
    Complete nonsense by 90%. Money, money and money in someone's pockets. And only 10% - to train officers in real combat conditions and check the developed equipment. And some and just check how it is stored - for example, dropping old bombs, hell knows how old. EVERYONE knows that no war has ever been won by defense. And this means attacks (albeit through dummies) on EVERYONE who helps the militants, directly or indirectly. Like the same Israel. Who said that as a result of a car accident it is impossible to lose 10-15 of any modern sabotage pieces of iron that will float somewhere? The same is true for losses - how many Russians were dragged there under the guise of various PMCs? Yes, hell who knows even if he wants. How and how many of them died.
  • ser.rudov2016
    ser.rudov2016 7 December 2020 20: 45
    -1
    And in our country, is it not a theocratic state called oligarchy? Putin played geopolitics. Success with Crimea affected him like a dose of marijuana. The people are silent, allowing themselves to be deceived, which means that you can continue to swagger.
  • froger
    froger 7 December 2020 22: 14
    -1
    Absolutely the same arguments of the authorities and their mouthpieces led our public when bringing our troops into Afghanistan - a gamble that cost our country about 14 thousand dead and 50 thousand disabled. A fake statement was launched that if we had not brought in troops, the Americans would have brought troops into Afghanistan. By the way, now our troops are not in Afghanistan, there are American troops, and somehow we do not particularly protest against this. The second dubious idea is the need to protect the Motherland as far from its borders as possible. But if you follow this idea, it is best to fight in the vicinity of Washington or New York. By the way, the introduction of troops into Afghanistan opened an era and tendencies that brought the real threat of a military conflict directly to our borders - with the once kindred country - Ukraine. So the historical experience itself completely refutes the false arguments of the need to defend the Motherland by participating in hostilities in distant countries that do not threaten us and which do not even border on Russia.
    The authorities' misunderstanding of the greatness of Russia as an opportunity and even the need for armed intervention in the internal affairs of distant countries results in many negative consequences, including:
    - the huge financial costs of our poor state, where more than a quarter of the population live in poverty, and ten percent in poverty,
    - opposition, including political, armed and economic. from many countries, some of which have recently been loyal and even friendly towards our country,
    - the country's prestige in the international arena is falling, and we are getting closer and closer to the camp of rogue countries, whose actions are rejected by most countries, including those that are not members of any blocs;
    - these actions, which at first the authorities promised to make temporary, gradually develop into permanent ones, as a result of which we get bogged down in these adventures deeper and deeper with all the ensuing consequences,
    - human losses that are irreparable.
    But the main thing is that these adventurous actions, despite all the cost and harmfulness, do not give the desired results, just as it happened with Afghanistan.
    1. PVM
      PVM 8 December 2020 15: 11
      -1
      The entire history of the USSR and the Russian Federation is a series of military and political adventures. I don’t know a single rational political one.
  • PVM
    PVM 8 December 2020 15: 05
    -1
    Syria is a laundry for the laundering of billions. And all this is in a secret format.
    How did it end? The Americans are pumping oil. Assad is under siege. Our few troops are stationed at the bases. No peace, no war. Patriots in the Russian Federation shout "hurray" and throw show-offs into the air.
    1. Gaiful
      Gaiful 8 January 2021 21: 39
      0
      Not patriots of the Russian Federation, who, after their destruction of the USSR, practically disappeared, but the professional media of Russian capital. They do not give up show-off, but make good money on it. Many are already tired of these clichés of your party propaganda from the Soviet Union. It's time to come up with something new, capitalist.