The USA offered Russia to think about the project of the Elephant aircraft after the An-124 accident

The Russian An-124 transport aircraft made an emergency landing at the Novosibirsk airport on November 14, 2020. This was caused by a problem with the engine. The American edition of The Drive wonders, since Russia has few such aircraft left, is it time to start developing a replacement for them.

According to the publication, the Russian An-124 was flying from Novosibirsk to Vienna. After takeoff, he had engine problems that forced the crew to make an emergency landing. On landing, the left landing gear strut broke down near the plane, which led to damage to the fuselage, wing and engines of the Ruslan. Nobody on board was hurt.

The author notes that it is not known what other damage the plane received and whether it will be repaired, and if so, how long it will take.

The point is, he writes, that there are few An-124 usable in Russia, some of which are part of the military transport aviation VKS, and a part belongs to the Volga-Dnepr company, which carries out commercial transportation. In total, a total of 54 serial An-124s were produced for all the time, some of which were assembled in Kiev, and some in Ulyanovsk.

After the termination of the production of this aircraft, Russia tried to restore the production of the modernized An-124 in Ulyanovsk, but this project had to be postponed due to the severance of relations with Ukraine in 2014, since the rights to the An-124 belong to the Ukrainian Antonov design bureau.

Therefore, Russia should consider the option of creating a new aircraft capable of replacing the An-124, especially since the project of such an aircraft already exists. To replace Ruslan, Russia is proposing to create an Elephant aircraft, similar in appearance to the An-124, but much larger and with better characteristics. After the implementation of this project, Russia will receive its own heavy-duty aircraft and will not depend on other countries for its production and supply of spare parts.

Comments

[Borik]

And that the Americans are so concerned about our problems with heavy transport aircraft. Probably they want to provide components at a discounted price for a new aircraft being developed. But it won't be soon.

[Machito]

Rather, dismantling. There is only good news from the United States about disasters and natural disasters.

[figwam]

This was caused by a problem with the engine.

Cause of birds getting into engines.

In Ulyanovsk, on the stocks, a pair of An-124 remained unfinished, is it really easier to develop a new "Elephant".

[kpd]

It is possible to finish them, but without the approval of the Antonov Design Bureau, they will not be able to fly outside Russia ...

[figwam]

Quote: kpd

It is possible to finish them, but without the approval of the Antonov Design Bureau, they will not be able to fly outside Russia ...

Build with your own changes under a different name and new certification.

[kpd]

It is precisely the "Elephant" from the Ilyushin Design Bureau that is the processing of "Ruslan" for obtaining an international certificate.

[figwam]

Quote: kpd

This is exactly the "Slon" from the Ilyushin Design Bureau and is the processing of "Ruslan"

No, this will already be a new aircraft being developed from scratch, it will be more powerful and larger in size.

[Non liberoid Russian]

and what time will this certification be 2 unfinished projects? cheaper new silt "elephant" to cut down and adjust the flow

[figwam]

Quote: Not Liberoid Russian

and what time will this certification become 2 unfinished projects?

Why two? I'm talking about the resumption of the construction of this aircraft.

[seacap]

Change the already certified engines and avionics, make minor changes, you can already change the name.

[iouris]

The Antonov Design Bureau should have been returned to Novosibirsk long ago, and Western Ukraine to the Krasnoyarsk Territory.

[faiver]

What did the Krasnoyarsk Territory do to you?

[Hagakure]

Siberia has a wonderful climate, EVERYTHING recovers ... miraculously, people's souls and brains are replacing them. (I write without any irony).

[Victorio]

Quote: Hagakure

Siberia has a wonderful climate, EVERYONE is recovering ... miraculously people have souls in place brains rise too. (I write without any irony).

===
) and in the north too, I remember (tiksi, 83 years old, construction brigade) went from the port area to the center, stopped the driver to give a lift (they always stopped there, even without voting), and in the cabin, on the windshield, a hundredth was glued bill with a transverse inscription "for a rainy day"

[faiver]

Damn that no one wants to go to our Kolyma

[Alf]

Quote: faiver

Damn that no one wants to go to our Kolyma

No, you'd better come to us.

[Alf]

Quote: Hagakure

Siberia has a wonderful climate, EVERYTHING recovers ... miraculously, people's souls and brains are replacing them. (I write without any irony).

Especially if they have a pick or a shovel in their hands, behind a stern uncle with a black terrier, and around an ideal ecological situation. True, a little cool.

[tralmaster]

Solidarity, and Magadan should not be touched, they are not even worthy of the New Siberian Islands.

[faiver]

Maybe to New Earth?

[irbis0373]

The Antonov Design Bureau should have been returned to Novosibirsk long ago, and Western Ukraine to the Krasnoyarsk Territory.

OKB might be good to return, but it's better to return the Westerners to Poland

[Non liberoid Russian]

another anika warrior

[seacap]

And what did our poor "effective managers" restore or save by moving them out of the Union republics? They can only iron the pipe, but measure everything for the money, nothing new has been created yet, and the Soviet era is ending, so losses and losses have begun.

[faiver]

If these two planes go to BTA, don't you care?

[Machito]

Quote: kpd

It is possible to finish them, but without the approval of the Antonov Design Bureau, they will not be able to fly outside Russia ...

I'm afraid that this Antonov Design Bureau will not live long. Let's remember. Without clinking glasses

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: figvam

In Ulyanovsk, on the stocks, a pair of An-124 remained unfinished, is it really easier to develop a new "Elephant".

As far as I understand, the problem is with the Antonov Design Bureau. They won't give you a license or something

[Boris Chernikov]

it's about engines .. they are made in Zaporozhye, so new engines are needed, I heard that PD-35 is predicted for a new transport aircraft, but it will be ready for the series only by the end of the 20s, by this time the project of the new transport aircraft will have to be finished and so prepare it for production ..

[d.zhuk2010]

The photo with the bird's lumps does not apply to this case. On the wing there is an engine without a nacelle air intake and a fan with a straightener. And in the photo that is published everything is in place.

[figwam]

Quote: d.zhuk2010

The photo with the bird's lumps does not apply to this case.

The birds got into the 3rd and 4th engines, the 3rd collapsed, the photo with the remains of the 4th bird.

[exo]

I wonder if you count the engines. The second engine collapsed, judging by the photo.

[figwam]

Quote: exo

Interestingly you count the engines.

This is not my opinion, I read it in one of the news. If you look at the flight, then yes, the first with a bird, the second is destroyed.

[ROMANO]

Quote: figvam

Cause of birds getting into engines.

How can you trust this information if the photo shows a Safran engine, not a Ruslan engine D-18T.

[List]

Photo with birds fake. The engine is not the same. If you look at the landing photo, there is no front of the engine left.

[Lex Malin]

In the photo there is a completely whole engine. Ruslan has unwound all before

[NEXUS]

Quote: Borik

Probably they want to provide components at a discounted price for a new aircraft under development. But it won't be soon.

Why do we need these components? In the United States, there is more and more a tendency to a crisis of ideas, and in particular in aircraft construction. While this is not so noticeable, but if you take the latest creations of the military aircraft industry, then even the lizard is not without gross flaws, although it was released a very long time ago.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: NEXUS

but if you take the latest creations of the military aviation industry, then even the lizard is not without gross flaws

The F-22 is definitely not the "latest creation". If you live in 2020, of course.

[Alf]

Quote: NEXUS

Why do we need these components?

How is it "for hell"? There is a division of labor in the world, third countries are busy, and some grandmothers count. Here even Vadim237 drowns for it. They say that it is not profitable to produce anything in Russia.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Borik

Probably they want to provide components at a discounted price for a new aircraft being developed.

And then sanctions ... sanctions ... without stopping

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

Of course they do. And after the development and launch of production, they will impose sanctions so that we would spend a lot of money and time on replacing imported components.

[2112vda]

They themselves receive from us already machined titanium landing gear struts from the same Aviastar. Volgo-Dnepr transports a lot of their cargo, so taking care of your pocket.

[Alf]

Quote: Borik

And that the Americans are so concerned about our problems with heavy transport aircraft.

No, having learned about the creation of our new transport aircraft, the Americans will yell, "the Russians are coming," they will kick out additional money from the Senate to create their own aircraft and ... there will be a reason for introducing new sanctions.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Borik

And that the Americans are so concerned about our problems with heavy transport aircraft.

They are afraid that we will obstruct them.

[Locksmith]

Captain obvious = it just came from them

[igor_sabadah]

Rather, they periodically hire something to transport something that doesn't fit into their transports.

[Machito]

What does the US care about what Russia thinks? Let them take care of their election fraud, they stole 3 million votes from Trump, half of the voters in Belarus.

[Crassuha my]

The budget of Russia is less than the budget of the city of New York

[Machito]

And what is produced or mined in New York? On Wall Street, electronic money is printed on a computer monitor.

[Local from the Volga]

Look at your budget - soon you won't buy socks with such reasons!

[Jacket in stock]

The USA invited Russia to think about the project of the Elephant aircraft

yes, it seems, they already thought about it, and presented some kind of project.
There is nothing left - to start and finish ...):

I’m not quite a designer, and all the more, I’m not very strong for such complex structures (I remember I miraculously passed the strength of materials, the exam was just the questions on thin shells, etc.), but is it really so difficult to take a ready-made glider from Ruslan, slightly optimize , cram new electrics and electronics, call it "elephant" and resume production?
And then looking at the burden of IL114 I have all sorts of doubts.

[Vitaly161]

the main problem is the engines ... more precisely, with their maintenance at Ruslan's, and on the new aircraft, too, dviglov nema, we are waiting for the completion of a series of heavy-weight PDs

[bayard]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Is it really so difficult to take a ready-made glider from Ruslan, slightly optimize it, cram new electrics and electronics, call it an "elephant" and resume production?

ENGINES !!!
Now most of the Ruslans are parked without engines. There are no relatives from Motor Sich, and the new NK-23 has not yet been revealed even in the prototype. Otherwise, of course it is possible - all the technical documentation is on hand, Aviastar built most of the Ruslans at one time, and even today it serves them and makes repairs.
But there are NO engines!
And this accident, which almost became a catastrophe precisely because of them - the photo shows that the fan, the entire cold part and the shell of the second engine were torn off. The fan blades and low-pressure turbines scattering at a frantic speed left monstrous through (for departure) notches in the center section area - at the root of the wing, which de-energized the board, damaged the left landing gear, damaged the wing itself ... and not only.
It's time to change the engines!
And when they appear, then by re-christening Ruslan into Elephant, you can safely resume its production in a new look, and remotorize the entire existing An-124 fleet.

[jonht]

A familiar pilot was there and he said that the engine exploded and its fragments broke the wiring. The plane was planted on the emergency system, purely on the hydraulics, the board was completely de-energized. The chassis must be intact and removed before rolling out of the strip.
And so only a revision of the airframe and onboard systems will show whether it will take off yet or not.

[x.andvlad]

If there are such risks with worn-out engines for which there are no spare parts, then these planes should be put on hold, to the delight of dill. Nothing to do about...
And urgently deal with their engines, if, of course, it is possible.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: x.andvlad

If there are such risks with worn out engines,

New engines also have these risks - they are called birds. At the end of the video, all these "risks" are visible to the naked eye.

[bar]

And then looking at the burden of IL114 I have all sorts of doubts

Much greater doubts arise when looking at the Il-112. What kind of "elephants" can we talk about, even if there are big problems with a light transport. And the biggest one is the lost design school

[frog]

It's not a problem to start, but to finish - we have somehow not grown together lately ..... Besides, I strongly doubt it. 76th - how many years have you been digitizing? And if you just add this reserve on your knees, there are no specialists who could shoe a flea. and so on - too.

[hydro]

Have the specialists dispersed? ((((

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: hydroy

Have the specialists dispersed? ((((

30 years have passed. Those who are alive have long been retired. Those that were younger had no experience and fled in all directions.
Teaching new ones is about 20 years old, when they will grow to a competitive level.
And designers, testers, researchers, technologists, managers of all levels, from foremen to director of an enterprise, workers and technicians of dozens of specialties will have to teach and grow. Re-equip enterprises with modern equipment for new technologies, develop and master new technologies, develop and master the production of new materials, etc. etc.
Can you name someone in the government who understands this and is ready to do it seriously, and not imitate indistinct body movements?
After the war, the Germans were forbidden to develop and produce aircraft for 5 years. And the first German-made aircraft took off only 20 years later.
We had a gap for more than 5 years ...

[frog]

Everything was dispersed. Since I strongly doubt that it is in this industry (I mean legal proceedings))) that all the haemors are concentrated, the picture is about the same everywhere. Some - no, others - it would not have been better, with software - a mess, with customers - a mess, I just don't want to talk about the leadership of the design bureau, and even think about the leadership of the industry. If they are designing steamers for themselves "on YouTube" ....... And there is no end in sight for this. but everything is stable. Everything goes steadily to check the depth of the dupa ...

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: frog

(I'm talking about legal proceedings)

Legal proceedings - the activity of the court for the consideration and resolution of cases.
If you are talking about shipyards, then this is shipbuilding.

[frog]

(I'm talking about legal proceedings)))

If we are to quote, then completely. As "dish-making" is called - I know. But the daughter of a brush, no hike. That did not stop dad from stuffing it into a box and thus delivering a huge number of "dear Russians" .....

[Alf]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

Legal proceedings - the activity of the court for the consideration and resolution of cases.

There, too, not everything is all right, there is a Law, but there is also a Call from Above.

[Aviator_]

The specialists died out. There were only journalists, designers and managers left.

[nickname7]

It's not a problem to start, but to finish - we have somehow not grown together lately

A decision was made to convene a commission that will develop a plan for creating a bureau that will develop a design bureau project for designing an aircraft, and soon we will fly on our own aircraft.

[frog]

I've seen so many commissions and other shit, sorry, that it's not even funny, it's just boring ...
"If you want to flunk the case - create a commission" (c)

[Dikson]

That's also interesting ..- why the Chinese do not bother in this matter at all .. ??? That the auto industry, that the aviation .. Copied and made .. called by their name .. and there, you can sue even before the second coming ..

[Past the crocodile]

So with this approach, how much can they cut? One extra normal engineer is minus 10 bribe-takers.

[Alf]

Quote: Jacket in stock

But is it really so difficult to take a ready-made glider from Ruslan, slightly optimize it, cram new electrics and electronics, call it an "elephant" and resume production?

On the one hand, this is exactly how aircraft are being modernized, take at least the TU-160, on the other hand, there is a "small" problem, namely, Where, Who will do it and On what. You should have seen the conditions under which NK-32 is produced at PJSC Kuznetsov ..

[TulaTokarev]

"Instead, Russia is now considering a completely new design that will replace the An-124 in the future. This program is called" Elephant ", which in Russian means" elephant ", and provides for the creation of an aircraft that looks like the An-124, but even larger size. "
This is exactly what is written in the original article, nothing is offered there, but simply a fact.
Who cares: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37630/watch-this-huge-russian-an-124-condor-jet-go-skidding-off-the-runway-after-an -engine-failure

[A. Privalov]

Quote: TulaTokarev

This is exactly what is written in the original article, nothing is offered there, but simply a fact.

At VO, it is customary to present material in such a way as to awaken "righteous anger" in a certain part of readers. Then they will be able to give vent to their feelings, shaking their virtual fists and sending various curses against some theoretical Americans.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: A. Privalov

At VO, it is customary to present material in such a way as to awaken "righteous anger" in a certain part of readers.

I agree with you. Moreover, they take an article by Americans (Japanese in the context of the Kuriles) for Americans, and serve as an article by Americans for readers of VO

[Dikson]

"theoretical Americans" is a great term ..!

[Past the crocodile]

Quote: A. Privalov

... to some theoretical Americans

.... and the Jews, as without them (without you).

[paco.soto]

I will also add: there is a large article and, besides the rest, it is reported that the board was without cargo.

[andr327]

Of course, only 83.5 tons. This is so that the wind does not carry away

[paco.soto]

It's just that you are a meticulous old man and I always double-check in Google the original source in non-Russian languages. There really: "the article is large and, among other things, it is reported that the board was unloaded" ©.
It's nothing personal.

[frog]

And how many more years will be "considered"? And then still "try on" and "ask the price" .....

[frog]

Oh, biting)))) And then I really had doubted

[Guru]

It was planned to install PD-35 engines on the Elephant, but so far there are no engines and will not be available for the next 3 years.
So the main problem is not the airframe but the engines.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Guru

the problem is not the airframe but the engines.

Well, if there is no one big engine, maybe you can put a pair of small ones?
The Americans did just that on their B-52. And they still do not redo it.
Although they definitely have no problems with the choice of engines.
What's wrong with this option? Well, unless the plane will become a bit heavier, since it rarely flies with full load. Moreover, during remotorization, you can still replace some of the old equipment with a new one, you see, just a centner or two will be saved?

[Aviator_]

Well, if there is no one big engine, maybe you can put a pair of small ones?

You can't. The entire aircraft is designed as a whole, remotoring, so fashionable recently, is pre-laid in the design, if possible. Vaughn, the recent crashes of the Boeing 737 MAX after remotoring are talking about this.

[frog]

and the next 3 years will not be.

And you, however, are an optimist)) Even according to our mighty plans, the series will start from 2028 .... And if we recall the eternal "right deviation" ......

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Guru

PD-35 engines, but so far there are no engines and there will be no engines for the next 3 years.

If they suddenly start serial production of PD-35 in the next 10 years, it would be very good.

[frog]

It would be a miracle. Which, as you know, does not exist)))

[Captain Pushkin]

Hope dies last...

[frog]

Here's what ... But with this approach it's good in American films, where suddenly there is cavalry from over the hills ... And in life, and even when playing strategy ...

[Captain Pushkin]

Yes ... Over the hill ... On horseback ... PD-35 ...
Cool ...

[frog]

This is a stamped solution in many American films .... Generally speaking .... Sorry, wrong, I won't bother you anymore.

[Reserve buildbat]

Regarding the advice, I recall a child's saying that it is slippery in the bath even without anyone. And the development of "Elephant" seems to be going on. By the way, I'm wondering, "the left landing gear strut has broken" what does it mean? "Ruslan" like these racks have almost ten on board.

[rotmistr60]

Russia should consider the option of creating a new aircraft that can replace the An-124

It is strange that suddenly the Americans are concerned about our transport aircraft. So think, what is the catch?

[sabakina]

Personally, I am interested in something else. Of the four engines, one failed. Three engines failed to land the AN normally?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: sabakina

Personally, I am interested in something else. Of the four engines, one failed. Three engines failed to land the AN normally?

The scattered debris of the engine de-energized the plane. How did they even put him in prison? Without communication, with inoperative automation ...

[jonht]

On the reserve system, there is such a hydraulic one ... But the pilots are really heroes, to use it they had to apply physical force and perform all landing operations by eye, and they were lucky that one of the lanes was empty, it was where they would go.

[Cook]

The unlocalized destruction of engine No. 2 led to the destruction of the aircraft structure by the elements separated from it, which in turn led to: power outage of the aircraft, loss of control of engine No. 1 (the mechanical control wiring was interrupted, in this case the engine operation mode is automatically set to 0,7 nominal, but it is impossible to turn it off from the cab). When the aircraft on-board network is de-energized, the main brakes and engine thrust reverse do not work. Here we must thank God for the fact that everything ended so relatively well.

[ZEMCH]

Quote: sabakina

Personally, I am interested in something else. Of the four engines, one failed. Three engines failed to land the AN normally?

Thanks to the experience of the pilots and great physical effort (on hydraulics, without reversing the engines)!
I hope the pilots will be rewarded, this is a real feat!

[yehat2]

Ukraine has always spit on the rights of the Russian Federation to technologies left over from the USSR
why the Russian Federation should pay attention to Antonov's company, if most of the AN-124 filling was created and designed not only in Ukraine.

[Alexfly]

It's high time, in fact ... If the AN-70, AN-12 project is already running out, there is no replacement for them and there will not be ...
You need to load production with your own models, and not buy half of it abroad!

[K-50]

The USA offered Russia to think about the project of the Elephant aircraft after the An-124 accident

Listen to pin dons nick and do the opposite!
Birds got into the plane, the engines, this can happen to anyone, especially when climbing, and it was about 700 meters. The most "bird" range.
Moreover, I was "lucky" to catch both engines on one side.
The matter is thoroughly everyday, and this does not mean that there is no need to develop new ones. On the contrary! "Prompts" what you will need to pay special attention to during development!

[lelik613]

To begin with, relocate the airport or resolve the issue with housing and other obstacles on the take-off and landing route (which is cheaper and which is easier). Well, the birds at the root ...

[Alf]

Quote: lelik613

Well, the birds at the root ..

Since the beginning of the 20th century they have been fighting with birds, and they all fly.

Quote: lelik613

First, move the airport

Estimate the amounts ...

Quote: lelik613

resolve the issue of housing and other obstacles on the take-off and landing route (which is cheaper and which is easier)

How ? To demolish everything? In my childhood planes constantly flew over the house, and what, it was necessary to demolish half of Samara, then Kuibyshev?

[iouris]

Russia is the homeland of the "Elephants"!

[prior]

No. Russia is the birthplace of the Kremlin "impotent".

[faiver]

no, well, but they can put forward idiotic ideas about the production of passenger aircraft on the basis of supersonic bombers ...

[Alf]

Quote: faiver

no, well, but they can put forward idiotic ideas about the production of passenger aircraft on the basis of supersonic bombers ...

Thank all the gods that such sentences are drowned in their own system of empty talking shop.

[lelik613]

What are these rights, completely overeat fish soup? Tell me honestly that the production of units and parts was lost both for political reasons (Ukraine) and for economic reasons (other republics) and banal stupidity (our native nuggets).

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

It's okay ... Maybe the minke whales will have something. Let's laugh.)

[Evgeny Seleznev]

"Volga-Dnepr" is swindlers, the disbanded 235 VTAP from Ulyanovsk (Vostochny airfield) and the killer 566 VTAP (Sescha airfield). For a pittance or captured planes or leasing (Sescha - Alley of the killed An-124). In 2013, there were 3 An-124s on the move in Seshcha, and since then this model has not been seen at parades.

[signifera]

For some reason, the Chinese do not have any problems with patents, licenses and other things, when selling goods for export or using them themselves in international projects. Although clones and copies are already indistinguishable from the originals, from elementary penny items to expensive equipment, including military ones. Why do we have such a problem to make these engines, especially since there is a plant. Well, Ukraine will not allow and not ask them. New engines should be installed on airplanes for domestic use, and old, but still working, should be transferred to international flights. This is if the mind is not enough to arrange normally and use. That’s not a question, but a problem, everywhere and in everything. The supply from the USSR is huge, but not infinite. it would be okay to build a new plant, just to do nothing ...

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Signifer

Why do we have such a problem to make these engines, especially since there is a plant

There is a plant, and not one.
But they make different engines. To do this, you need to prepare a new production. It's almost like a new plant to build. Launching the production of a new engine, which is obviously better than the old one, will cost exactly the same.
And the Chinese have no problems, because they make copies similar to the original under a license, and what they do without a license does not seem to be the original.

[signifera]

I will not argue, but it seems to me that if the Chinese did everything under license, their products would not be so cheap and competitive. In my opinion, they try to copy everything and save on development and testing, hence such success.
I'll tell you the experience of one friend. She walked around the city in China, she had a good (not super-brand) coat. Several people approached her and offered to buy it on the spot. The price was decent. There was a very simple answer to the question and what is the catch - and we will now carefully disassemble it, make patterns and launch it into production, it is very beautiful with you.
Therefore, on the one hand, impudent theft and copying, on the other hand, from thought to the final product, the minimum time.
Another story. A detail was needed, in the Russian Federation no one undertook and did not want to bother. We arrived in China. They took a sample to think about, in the evening they brought and named the price of ready-made details (this story after a couple of people, not directly told).

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Signifer

it seems to me

Do you really see the difference between a coat and an aircraft engine?
It is not enough for the engine to simply copy the "pattern", that is, to reproduce the geometry. The main thing is to perceive the characteristics - hardness, strength, heat resistance, accuracy of tolerances, surface cleanliness.
And this is called technology, high technology. This means the ability to do something that you can't cut with a file on your knee and you can't cut with an ax.
Why do you think we cannot copy the American / English engines, while the same Chinese cannot make ours at home?

By the way, I believe in the second story. They have long learned how to make complex details of complex geometry, for example, using a powder method. True, the quality of these parts is often not very good, I myself had experience - the piece of iron broke from a toy load, I looked, it turned out to be somehow molded out of cheap powder and not really sintered.

[signifera]

I see. And I will add. It is much easier to take a ready-made one, disassemble, study and develop or assemble on its basis than just starting from scratch. This time. The fact that ours cannot copy, we have already passed, they simply do not want or are not profitable when cutting, they are afraid of freezing their accounts and the rest. Plus a long deadly bureaucracy with thousands of certificates and authorities as agreed. And the Chinese cannot - they can. Just a coat, yes, that's one thing, and the engine will take them some time. At first it will turn out so-so, then it will be better, gradually they will come closer to the indicators of the original, reach 100% and not necessarily, but what kind of savings ...
I like their approach - tell me how much you expect, and we will do it for that amount.

[Past the crocodile]

This spring I read - the Chinese have created a diesel with 50% efficiency, that is, about 100 g / hp * h. But not so long ago, 20 years ago, there were only a few cars, car production was at the level of the 40s and 50s

[Dikson]

But after all, Tupolev and others like him didn’t really interfere with copying the American bomber dismantled to a screw? Why, with new technologies, we cannot do what we used to do and released into the sky two years later? Maybe the answer is in another plane? Maybe our designers are initially focused not on the domestic needs of the country, but on stupid profits from the sale on the international market? There is more money ... Isn't that what happens in the military-industrial complex? How many years did they sell the T-90 to Asia and India, until they suddenly decided that it was time for him to travel around his native land? Of course, on international sales, the issue of copyright and certification immediately comes to the fore .. Only where is the guarantee that the West simply will not respond to the creation of new domestic engines and aircraft by introducing new standards for noise, environmental friendliness and some other nonsense, just not to let our planes on international routes? And what, then we can't fly at home either ?! Elephant .. not an Elephant .. Even thicker, bigger and louder ... tell me, what is more necessary for the country, one huge flying shed, or ten An-26 or An-12 trucks. ?
But here, after all, the most important thing, like in Stalin's times - Bigger, louder and unnecessary .. - then you will receive a prize .. What will bring more benefit - one super-meta icebreaker (destroyer, aircraft), or built on the same funds and materials two, but smaller?

[Past the crocodile]

Quote: Dikson

like in Stalin times

- Oh no no no! You encroached on sacred things.

[Alf]

Quote: Dikson

Maybe our designers are initially focused not on the domestic needs of the country, but on stupid profits from the sale on the international market?

Designers are guided by what they will be told, what task will be given. But what are those who GIVE these assignments - a question to Lavrenty Palych, are guided by.

Quote: Dikson

What will be more useful - one super-meta icebreaker (destroyer, aircraft), or two built with the same funds and materials, but smaller?

But you bought one big TV at home, not two small ones with the same money ..

[Dikson]

Alf, are we talking about regular shipping, or setting a lifting capacity record? )) Incorrect comparison on your part .. it seems to me .. If you need a super-icebreaker to admire it - please! There is a lot of money in the country ..

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Dikson

and what is more necessary for the country, one huge flying shed, or ten trucks such as An-26, or An-12. ?

And what is more needed, one excavator or a dozen shovels?
Do you know about the transition from quantity to quality? If you need to transport a piece of iron of 10 tons, then even if you have ten five-ton units, it will not help you.
And yes, under Stalin, factories cost, the literacy of the population was increased, science was developed.

[Dikson]

Once in fifty years you need to transport such a piece of iron ...) Well, okay .. Special ships and planes and cars are needed .. Who can argue .. So the nuclear-powered ship "Sevmorput" came in handy - to carry fish .. with thimbles ..- carry more nothing turned out .. And the super heavy aircraft will come in handy. - may be..

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Dikson

come in handy. - may be..

Yes, like bum, Ruslans do not stand without work. Even Mriya flies regularly. Such pieces of iron have to be transported much more often than once every 5 years.
And as for the fact that we are now unable to produce even the An-26 and An-12 class aircraft, you are right. Just in contrast to the Stalinist times. Then our industry grew and developed. And planes were made by the thousands.

[ZEMCH]

Quote: Signifer

I will not argue, but it seems to me that if the Chinese did everything under license, their products would not be so cheap and competitive. In my opinion, they try to copy everything and save on development and testing, hence such success.

A simple scheme works there, a company builds a plant, sells products to all markets for 3 years without taxes, then gives it back to the state, having beaten off all costs!
There is another option, with an existing plant, they give a license and produce under designer supervision, while studying)))
There is no third option, a plant with workers cannot be stolen! (We do not consider Ukraine )

[Alf]

Quote: Signifer

Why do we have such a problem to make these engines, especially since there is a plant.

There is also an aircraft plant in Samara, but only security and management work there. But formally Yes, there is such a plant ...

[Ros 56]

The striped ones were directly worried about our transport workers, why would they care? Or they want to commune something again from our newest ideas.

[askort154]

You can finish them, but without the approval of the Antonov Design Bureau, they will not be able to fly outside of Russia.

Outdated data. Ukraine tried to "arrest" the maintenance and flights of An-124, but lost. Aviastar and Amtes received a certificate for all types of work, both in Russia and abroad. Volga-Dnepr Airlines flies without problems
Worldwide. This company has 12 An-124s.
As part of the Russian Aerospace Forces - 24 units, on the "wing" - 15 units.

[Old26]

Quote: TulaTokarev

This program is called "Elephant", which in Russian means "elephant"

In general, it would be necessary to write in reverse. "Elephant", which in Russian means "Elephant"

[Alf]

Quote: Old26

Quote: TulaTokarev

This program is called "Elephant", which in Russian means "elephant"

In general, it would be necessary to write in reverse. "Elephant", which in Russian means "Elephant"

This is a translated article, and the translator was too lazy to bother with comprehension.

[pexotinec]

Like a flock of birds flew into the engines. The video showed the impeller blades covered in feathers and blood.

[serezhasoldatow]

And here you need to stick your five cents

[lopvlad]

but this project had to be postponed due to the severance of relations with Ukraine in 2014, since the rights to the An-124 belong to the Ukrainian design bureau "Antonov".

there are many reasons
1) the main engines D-18T not only are produced in Ukraine and did not have time to get rid of childhood "diseases"
a) At the testing stage, a problem was identified that has not yet been eliminated - the low gas-dynamic stability of the D-18T engines, especially in takeoff modes.
b) An-124 is capable of taking on board up to 440 paratroopers or 880 soldiers with full equipment. However, the experiments begun in 1989 on dropping parachutists' dummies from an aircraft forced to introduce restrictions on the parachute landing of people, due to aerodynamic factors.
d) the high cost of transportation, compared to Western transport aircraft of similar payload.

But the main reason is rather that all equipment used in this aircraft (from engines to electronics) is outdated at the moment + customers are no longer satisfied with the aircraft's carrying capacity and its internal cargo volume.

In general, the AN-124 Ukrainian can only be called conditionally

Since the flight and navigation sighting system, chassis and hydraulics, engine starting blocks, drive-generators, auxiliary engines (TA-12), communication and radar equipment on the aircraft manufactured in Russia and Ukraine only produces the main engine D-18T and "naked" a glider without equipment and landing gear, and even then not completely (the wing elements are foreign there).
Who do you think has a better chance of starting production of AN-124 aircraft, Ukraine or Russia?
By the way, for information about the giant AN-225, which the Svidomo are so proud of, it consists of 80% of Russian-made parts (there is only Ukrainian D-18T engine and a "naked" glider without equipment and chassis)

By the way, KB "Antonov" has already spoken out about the deployment of AN-124 production in Russia

"In August 2019, the Antonov State Enterprise announced that in the event of the organization of serial production of the An-124-100M aircraft in Russia (according to some sources, the preparation of such production is carried out by the Ilyushin Design Bureau), the aircraft must be assigned a different designation (the aircraft needs a new designation without links to "An") "

that in fact there are no complaints about such production if the aircraft has a different name

The fate of the AN-124 in Russia has already been decided. Apart from the modernization and extension of the service life of existing aircraft, there will be no production of new AN-124 aircraft.
"At the same time, the An-124-100M will receive new avionics, including an aiming and navigation aerobatic system, an on-board communications complex, an on-board information system. Airborne transport equipment, a power supply system, lighting, oxygen, household equipment and workplaces for crew members. Additionally, the aircraft will be equipped with an on-board defense system designed "for individual protection of the aircraft from being hit by portable anti-aircraft missile systems (MANPADS) with optical-electronic and radar missile homing heads."

[lvov_aleksey]

I was amused by the quote: "In the US, Russia was asked to think about the project of the Elephant aircraft after the An-124 accident." But what about Ukraine, which claims to "Ruslan", that the NATO satellite is draining ??? !!!!!

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: Crack my

If the article contains the words Ukraine or the United States, the Sharikovs immediately run into

I look like Sharikov ?!

[BOB044]

Russia will resolve this issue itself. What kind of aircraft to produce and what to restore. No sluggish ones.

[Alexap]

Quote: Borik

And that the Americans are so concerned about our problems with heavy transport aircraft.

How can they not care? They also need to fight with us in the territories of third countries, but how can they fight if we do not fly to the war?

[AlexSM]

Quote: figvam

Cause of birds getting into engines.

Before publishing a photo with a bird in the engine, you would compare the photo of the D-18T engine from the engine in your photo ...

[Misha_an26]

It turns out D-18 from 2014 without repair?

[Pavel57]

Quote: kpd

It is possible to finish them, but without the approval of the Antonov Design Bureau, they will not be able to fly outside Russia ...

VKS may not ask.

[akarfoxhound]

The Matrassanians forgot to ask advice "for aviation". What was this article about in VO?

[Andrey Krasnoyarsky]

Actually, the idea is correct. Rather than waiting for common sense to appear in Ukraine, it is better to develop your own aircraft, which is necessary for both the army and the national economy. It doesn't matter what it will be called - an Elephant or a Giraffe, the main thing is to have it.

[Zaurbek]

In an amicable way, you need serial production of Il476 .... for serial production of avionics, various systems ... and some kind of turbojet engine (based on NK32 or PD35). The Elephant's problem is that it will not be massive, which means that it must use ready-made solutions.

[Igor Golov]

What are they shameless. Just unbelieveble.

[Alexander Vorontsov]

When I watch reports about another transport worker from Antonov, Mriya is a "bastard". The Ukrainians fought so vehemently against the entire legacy of the "scoop."
And then, they fly around the world and seeing how people come running to look at the giant plane, they are proud of the fact that it is ... Ukrainian.

In one report, the pilot even gave out a joke - people are in shock. They come up and are surprised - we didn't know what they could do in Ukraine!

And I sit and think - but in general, no one knew)))


And with the "Ruslans", of course, the ambush turned out (
Not to say that many such aircraft are needed, but a small fleet of more IL-76 aircraft is needed.

[Crabong]

A good name was chosen - "elephant". You can also "hippo".

[Dedok]

Quote: Borik

And that the Americans are so concerned about our problems with heavy transport aircraft. Probably they want to provide components at a discounted price for a new aircraft being developed. But it won't be soon.

yes no sweetie it's trolling
they laugh in our face - because we are not able to do it

[Archivist Vasya]

The engine was blown to pieces by one bird ?!

[Evgeny Vinokhodov]

Boeings fell like snow to the ground. I think the US should shut its mouth and think what they say.