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Bearish short trunk

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In the Russian segment of the Internet, many copies have been broken regarding the prospects for legalizing a civilian short-barreled rifle in our country weapons... At the same time, opponents and supporters of granting the population the right to acquire, store and carry pistols and revolvers consider them exclusively as a means of self-defense against criminals. Today I want to consider another possible option for using short-barreled civilian weapons.


From the attack of bears


Cases of bear attacks on people are recorded annually on the territory of the Far Eastern Federal District. This happens for various reasons. Often, the victims themselves show frivolity in relation to wild animals: they come close on floating craft to a bear swimming across the river. They are trying to feed the bear cub, not thinking that his mother may be nearby. Noticing the beast on the side of the road, they stop, get out of the cars and try to film it on the phone.


But much more often people become victims when they encounter an animal in the taiga while collecting wild plants or on the river while fishing. It is not uncommon for an offended person or a hungry bear to purposefully hunt people in the vicinity of settlements.

Living in the Far East, I can testify with full responsibility that there have been many more brown bears in the vicinity of settlements over the past 10 years. Moreover, sometimes bears are seen on city streets. This happens for the following reasons: uncontrolled and total deforestation deprives animals of their habitats, barbaric salmon fishing in the Amur estuary leads to the fact that chum salmon and pink salmon do not reach the taiga rivers, and the animal cannot eat off for wintering. In addition, illegal garbage dumps in the vicinity of villages attract hungry animals.


Brown bear on the shore. Shantar Islands. Photo from the personal collection of the author

I myself have seen bears of different ages and sizes several times, while fishing or picking mushrooms, lingonberries, and pine nuts. A couple of meetings were very unpleasant, when the animal was 5-10 meters away, but, fortunately, managed to disperse peacefully. However, two of my friends, one might say, miraculously survived. Both cases occurred in the taiga, when people were alone, and the bear deliberately attacked them.

The first case occurred in early February 2014. It is no secret that hunters-trappers in winter, unnecessarily, try not to bring their weapons into a warm room. This is due to the fact that water condensation inevitably occurs on cold metal under conditions of higher air temperature and humidity. Water that is not removed in a timely manner leads to corrosion, and the most unpleasant thing is that the formed ice in the cold can impede the normal operation of the moving parts of the weapon.

That evening, the hunter decided to clean the carbine after the shooting, and his KO-44 remained in the winter hut. In the middle of the night, a connecting rod began to break into the hut. It helped a lot that the door in this winter room, contrary to the taiga custom, opened outward, and my friend managed to load the weapon and make an aimed shot. Although the hunter was a very experienced person and had been fishing for more than 20 years, he later admitted that he was shaking for a long time, and from a nervous shock he could no longer close his eyes until morning.

At daybreak, when I managed to see the killed animal well, it turned out that it was a medium-sized and extremely emaciated three-year-old, who, however, mad with hunger, was very dangerous. In the afternoon, for the sake of courage, the hunter put the dead bear on its hind legs next to the winter quarters. Where he stood until the beginning of March, after which he was thrown onto the ice, and he was carried away by the spring flood.


The same bear. Photo from the personal collection of the author

So we saw this connecting rod, having arrived a week later on a fishing trip. I must say that although my partner and I legally have rifled and smooth-bore weapons, we usually do not take them with us during fishing trips (for reasons that will be discussed below).

Another bear attack on humans happened a couple of years ago, at the end of October. We met this hunter when we met in January on the river, and this is what history He said. As you know, before the start of the season, fishermen bring in various supplies: food, hunting equipment, bedding, as well as fuel and lubricants for a snowmobile. In most cases, you have to make several walks if there is no way to throw the load by helicopter or by water. Having made one trip to his site, the hunter managed to return to the UAZ, which was parked on the site near the logging cabins being towed.

This trailer stood on one of the branches of the main timber road, was used as a transshipment base and was locked with a padlock. Those who were supposed to know where the key to the change house was hidden. I must say that I also spent the night in this trailer a couple of times. Inside there were four iron bunks with bedding and pillows, which (by taiga standards) is a luxury, as well as a table, a small supply of food, a stove and firewood. Everyone could use firewood and food, but everyone who spent the night had to replenish the supply of firewood and leave something to eat.


The same trailer. Photo from the personal collection of the author

It was no later than it was just getting dark. The stove was heated in the trailer, the hunter was drinking tea. On the street, the temperature dropped slightly below zero and, in order not to create stuffiness, the door was open. At the same time, the carbine was hanging on a nail outside near the door. A very large bear crept silently and attacked suddenly, but hesitated a little in front of the open door. The man, taking advantage of this, managed to slam the door and lock it on the latch from the inside, literally in front of the beast's nose.

A critical situation arose, the weapon was outside, and the bear did not allow to reach it. It was clear that the door would not hold him for a long time, and the person could not leave the shed through the small windows. In this situation, the hunter made, perhaps, the only correct decision. He poured diesel fuel on the pillow intended for quick kindling, set it on fire, and, opening the door, threw the burning pillow at the bear. The beast recoiled from the fire, the hunter managed to get to the weapon and with several shots from the SCS killed the bear.

It seemed that one could breathe calmly, but in a stressful situation, the person did not notice that the animal still managed to hook him. At first, the hunter did not understand what was running down his back. It turned out to be blood from a laceration left by bear claws. A piece of meat hung above the left shoulder blade. Having somehow closed the wound, the hunter, struggling with dizziness, managed to independently make a dressing, cutting a sheet for this.

By morning, the temperature rose, the wound was very painful, and almost nothing could be done with the left hand. There was no talk of starting and driving the car on a bumpy road. We had to walk 8 km to the road along which the timber was taken out, and then we had to shake for several hours in the cabin of the timber truck. As a result, the victim was able to get to the hospital about a day after the bear attack. Because of the onset of inflammation, he spent more than a month in the hospital and was able to go fishing only at the end of December.

Law enforcement instinct


It would seem, knowing such examples and regularly seeing a bear in its natural habitat, it would be logical to carry a 20-12 caliber rifle or a rifled carbine loaded with bullet cartridges for self-defense. However, in most cases we don't, and here's why. According to the current legislation, being in the taiga with a weapon outside the hunting season or without an open voucher-license for hunting birds or animals is automatically considered poaching and leads to the seizure of weapons and a large fine.

“Law enforcers”, who themselves are always armed in the taiga, are absolutely not interested in the fact that you can be eaten or crippled. The main thing for them is to show the results of their “work”, draw up a protocol and draw up an act of withdrawal, or, as an option, “agree”.

It helps in part that representatives of official structures have a very developed instinct for self-preservation. They rarely go to the real wilderness and only in large groups. And at the same time, fishermen and pickers of wild plants are most often watched at car parks and bivouacs. In this situation, the gun can be disassembled and hidden in a backpack, and for a personal search, good reasons are needed, it is required to draw up a protocol and look for attesting witnesses.

Shotgun "Saiga-12S"


In case of a high probability of meeting a bear, I sometimes take with me a Saiga-12S smoothbore gun with a magazine for five rounds loaded with a Poleva-3 bullet. Such a 12-gauge bullet has a high stopping effect and is quite effective when firing at a distance of up to 50 meters.

Bearish short trunk

Cartridges with a bullet "Poleva-3"

But I go fishing without a weapon. Anyone who fished on the rapid taiga rivers will confirm that when fishing for grayling, lenok or taimen, in most cases you have to move a lot. Overcome rifts, creases, wading through the coastal jungle, bypassing deep pits. Taking into account the fact that on the banks very often there are dense thickets of prickly Eleutherococcus, entwined with lemongrass vines, it is also quite burdensome to carry a gun with you. In addition, the Saiga has a weak magazine latch, there is a high risk of losing it. Based on all of the above, I usually do not take weapons to the river.


Far Eastern taiga at the end of September. Photo from the personal collection of the author

Another thing is when we are an organized group going to gum, pick lingonberries, lemongrass or wild grapes. In this case, I am often asked to be a security guard, and I go light only with a gun, and then we divide the harvested crop among everyone.


The Limuri River. Photo from the personal collection of the author

Last year, in June, on one of the taiga rivers, I met a guy of about forty, with whom there was a companion who caught grayling along with him. The pair turned out to be well equipped, both had rather expensive waders and wading jackets. In addition, the guy had a compact gun with a pistol grip "Bekas-16M" on his shoulder, which is smaller in size and weight than my "Saiga-12S", and is much better suited for carrying and short-term self-defense. It is clear that being on the river with a weapon in the summer is absolutely illegal, but the safety, apparently, of his combat girlfriend was clearly more important for him.


The Limuri River. Photo from the personal collection of the author

Based on personal experience (taking into account the opinions of friends and acquaintances), I think that for self-defense against wild animals and dashing people in the taiga, a large-caliber short-barreled multiply-charged weapon that does not have a butt is optimal. Such a weapon is comfortable to carry and not suitable for hunting, which means that its owner cannot be indiscriminately accused of poaching. A similar approach is practiced in Alaska, where there are many large grizzly bears, and fishermen often see them along river banks.


Armed neutrality


It must be said that the majority of healthy bears are absolutely not interested in humans, observing armed neutrality. However, among animals (as well as among people), sometimes inadequate or sick individuals are found, capable of unprovoked aggression.

Sudden unintentional encounters, when a person encounters an animal head to head on a forest path, are also of great danger. In this situation, short-barreled weapons of 9-12 mm caliber can become the only means of salvation. It is clear that the larger the caliber and the more powerful the cartridge, the more chances of putting the beast down from the first shot. But it should be understood that a very powerful weapon will have a crushing recoil, as well as significant weight and dimensions.

Taking into account that the bear is a very large and strong animal, it is quite obvious that the energy of the bullet should be enough to pierce a strong skin, muscles, crush bones, destroy vital organs and cause shock. It is absolutely necessary not only to shoot an aggressive animal, but to do it so that it, being mortally wounded, could not harm a person. That is, (in addition to destructive power), a certain stopping action is required.

American anti-bear experience


Based on the American experience of using pistols and revolvers against a bear, the minimum caliber suitable for reliable self-defense is .357 Magnum, with an energy of 8 g of a bullet of about 900 J. In 2012, this cartridge was certified for production in Russia as ammunition for sports hunting weapons, and its production was mastered by the Tula Cartridge Plant.

Taking into account the requirements of reliability and safety of handling, the most preferable is a double-action revolver. Such a weapon with a drum for five to six rounds and a stainless steel frame can have a relatively modest size and acceptable weight, which makes it possible to use it as a "second chance weapon" for hunting and a means of self-defense, without burdening the owner.


Ruger GP100 revolvers with 4 '' and 6 '' barrels

Revolver Ruger SP101


One of the more popular .357 Magnum revolvers is the Ruger GP100. This model was replaced in 1985 in production by the Ruger Redhawk. Weight revolver GP100 with a barrel length of 4 inches with a stainless steel frame 1,1 kg, with a barrel length of 6 inches - about 1,25 kg.

Weapons experts note that the GP100 revolver is very durable and has a long service life.

The cost of new revolvers of the GP100 family is $ 800-950.


Revolver Ruger SP101

If the weapon is not supposed to shoot a lot, then fishermen and hunters often prefer the lightweight Ruger SP101. Like the Ruger GP100, this is a double-action revolver and is also available with a stainless steel frame. The weapon with a 4-inch barrel weighs 0,836 kg. Drum capacity - 5 rounds. Price (depending on frame material) from $ 680-800.

Revolver Taurus 627 Tracker



Revolver Taurus 627 Tracker

In addition to the Ruger GP100 and Ruger SP101, among those who visit places where a grizzly or black bear is likely to be encountered, the Ruger Redhawk, Smith & Wesson Model 686 and Taurus 627 Tracker revolvers are popular, which can also use the 9mm Magnum.


Revolver Smith & Wesson Model 686 Plus

Compared to a .357 Magnum weapon, a .44 Magnum revolver will be much more effective (in terms of destructive power and stopping effect) in a collision with a bear. According to reference data, a bullet weighing 16,2 g, leaving a 152 mm long barrel, has an initial velocity of about 390 m / s and an energy of about 1 J, which is comparable in energy to a bullet fired from the barrel of an AK-300 assault rifle.

However, for successful firing from a revolver chambered for such a cartridge, one must have very strong hands, since the mass and size of the .44 Magnum weapon is significantly larger, and the powerful ammunition gives a strong recoil. In this regard, heavy and very powerful revolvers place increased demands on the level of training and physical shape of the shooter.

Revolver Ruger Super Redhawk


In caliber .44 Magnum, the Ruger Super Redhawk revolver with a barrel length of 1987-190 mm, produced since 241, is heavily advertised. Weapon weight depending on barrel length: 1,5 - 1,645 kg. Drum capacity: 6 rounds. In American gun stores, the estimated cost of this revolver is approximately $ 1100.


Revolver Ruger Super Redhawk

In addition to .44 Magnum cartridges, Super Redhawk revolvers can use the more powerful .454 Casull and .480 Ruger cartridges with an energy of about 2 J. Shooting with powerful cartridges is possible thanks to a strong frame with a massive front lug that covers the breech, that is, the zone of greatest pressure powder gases, as well as a hardened drum, the chambers of which can withstand increased pressure.

However, revolvers for such ammunition are not widely used, and are used by a rather narrow circle of connoisseurs, who, basically, equip cartridges on their own.

Revolver Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan


For ordinary shooters who deliberately do not hunt big game with a revolver and prefer weapons where high lethality is combined with lightness and compactness, the Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan is intended.


Revolver Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan

Introduced in 2005, this large bore revolver is based on the Super Redhawk and is designed to protect against large and dangerous animals.

There are options for weapons chambered for: .44 Magnum, .454 Casull and .480 Ruger. At the same time, the model chambered for .480 Ruger was originally a six-shooter, and in 2008 it was replaced in production by a five-shot modification.

All Super Redhawk Alaskan revolvers are made of stainless steel and have a rubberized non-slip grip with finger recesses. The .44 Magnum version weighs 1,275 kg. Although (compared to modern 9-mm pistols) the revolver has a solid weight, for this caliber it is quite compact.

The price tag of this weapon in the United States is $ 1100-1200.


The main advantage of the Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan over other large-caliber revolvers is that it can be quickly removed from the chest holster, which is convenient for fishing and hiking. However, the short 2,5-inch barrel is not optimal for heavy-duty rounds. Compared to a revolver with a 6-inch barrel, muzzle velocity is about 25% less. In addition, when fired (due to incomplete combustion of the powder charge), there is a strong flash, blinding the arrow. For this reason, the manufacturer recommends the use of special cartridges with an optimally matched powder load and a weighted bullet.


Even taking into account the disadvantages that are a consequence of the shortened barrel, this revolver can be considered an acceptable means of defense against bears. In the 10 years that have passed since the start of sales in the United States, several attacks by grizzly and black bears have been repelled. Apparently, the first successful application of the Super Redhawk Alaskan compact revolver occurred in August 2009. Greg Brush from Soldotna, Alaska was walking his dog when he was attacked by a bear. Pulling out his Super Redhawk Alaskan, retreating quickly, he fired four shots at the bear. The animal was stopped 3 m from the shooter.

An intermediate position between .357 and .44 Magnum cartridges is .41 Magnum. This ammunition is equipped with a bullet weighing 13,6 g, which leaves the six-inch barrel at a speed of 390 m / s, and has a muzzle energy of about 1050 J. Although revolvers chambered for this cartridge are also quite suitable for self-defense against a bear, such a weapon is not widely used.

In the last decade, revolvers chambered for the .500 S&W Magnum, introduced in early 2003, have been gaining popularity as an anti-bear.


.45 ACP and .500 S&W Magnum cartridges

It is the most powerful revolver cartridge produced to date. A 12,7 mm bullet weighing 21,1 g is accelerated in a barrel length of 213 mm to 550 m / s (energy is about 3 J). There are also cartridges with a bullet weighing 000 g, the muzzle velocity of which when fired from a 23-inch barrel is 10 m / s, and the muzzle energy exceeds 602 J. But such ammunition can only be used for firing carbines, since there are few shooters will withstand such a powerful kickback. In hand-held short-barreled weapons, it is recommended to use cartridges equipped with a bullet weighing 4-000 ​​g with an initial speed of 23-25 m / s.

Revolver Smith & Wesson Model 500



Revolver Smith & Wesson Model 500

The first mass-produced revolver chambered for the .500 S&W was the Smith & Wesson Model 500. Production of this five-shot revolver began in 2003. Initially, variants with a barrel length of 165-213 mm were produced. But taking into account the fact that carrying long-barreled revolvers is not very convenient, "snub-nosed" models appeared. But since hunting with a revolver is allowed in the United States, long-barreled modifications are in steady demand.


Revolver Smith & Wesson Model 500 4-in

The most optimal model for fishermen from the entire range of Model 500 revolvers is a weapon with a barrel length of 4 inches. To reduce recoil, the barrel has a compensator. The weight of the weapon is 1,632 kg.

Retail price is about $ 2000.

Revolver Taurus Raging Bull 500


Another serial .500 S&W revolver is the Taurus Raging Bull 500, introduced in 2005. However, despite the increased advertising and about half the price of the Smith & Wesson Model 500, it was not possible to establish a stable sale of this weapon in the United States, and now this revolver is not produced.


Revolver Taurus Raging Bull 500

The revolver was produced in only one version - with a barrel length of 10 inches. Its weight is 2,050 kg. Ballistic characteristics correspond to those of the Smith & Wesson Model 500.

However, despite the unprecedentedly high destructive power for short-barreled weapons, 12,7-mm revolvers are, by and large, a weapon exotic. Their use for self-defense is difficult, since confident shooting from them is possible only when holding with two hands, and a powerful recoil with a high degree of probability will hit a poorly trained shooter on the head with a weapon. In fact, the .44 Magnum cartridge is the ceiling of power at which a reasonable compromise is possible in terms of weapon weight and recoil when firing. And the minimum sufficient for reliable self-defense against an aggressive beast (weighing up to 250 kg) can be considered .357 Magnum.

Revolver U-94 "Blow"


Given the wide choice of foreign large-caliber revolvers that are suitable for self-defense against a bear, a logical question arises, what do we have.

In our country, in the mid-1990s, the Tula Instrument Design Bureau developed the U-94 Udar revolver. The 12,3 × 40 mm cartridge for the U-94 Udar revolver was created on the basis of a shortened brass sleeve from a 32-caliber hunting cartridge.


Revolver U-94 "Blow"

The U-94 Udar revolver used the traditional reloading scheme with simultaneous extraction of cartridges to the left from the 5-round drum. The cartridges are loaded one at a time, also with the drum tilted to the side. The trigger mechanism of the revolver is hammer, with a half-hidden hammer. For a number of reasons, this 12,3 mm revolver was not mass-produced. And in terms of its power, it is hardly capable of stopping a large animal with the first shot.

Revolver OTs-20 "Gnome"


At about the same time as the U-94 "Udar", the Central Research Institute Tochmash created a smooth-bore 12,5-mm revolver OTs-20 "Gnome". For firing this weapon, the SC-110 cartridge with a steel bullet weighing 11 g in a plastic piston was intended, which serves to disperse the bullet and as a tail unit for stabilization in flight. According to unconfirmed reports, the initial speed of the steel bullet exceeded 400 m / s. A lead bullet weighing 12 g with an initial speed of 350 m / s and a muzzle energy of 735 J.


Revolver OTs-20 "Gnome"

The revolver has a double action trigger mechanism with an open hammer. To remove spent cartridges, the drum leans to the left, and (when you press the extractor located on the central axis of the drum), all spent cartridges are removed at once. In 1994, the OTs-20 "Gnome" was adopted by the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but was not widely adopted. The production volume was approximately 200 units.

Thus, it can be stated that there are some developments in large-caliber revolvers in our country. As an experiment, in remote and northern regions of our country, where there is a significant risk of attack by wild animals, it would be reasonable to allow limited carrying of powerful short-barreled weapons outside of settlements. In terms of its status, this weapon should be equated to a rifled one, and only citizens with experience in possession of a smooth-bore weapon could get access to it. The transportation and storage of short-barreled self-defense weapons should be carried out unloaded and covered. Wearing in the forest is only open.

But given the fact that our executive and legislative branches of government are extremely negative about the idea of ​​legalizing short-barreled self-defense weapons, it is safe to say that law-abiding citizens (even at the risk of being eaten alive) will not get such an opportunity in the near future.

Revolver OTs-62


However, there is another way to solve this problem. Several years ago TsKIB SOO presented the OTs-12 62-gauge smoothbore revolver. Not much information is available about this sample. It is only known that this revolver appeared as a further development of the MTs255 revolving hunting rifle.


Revolver OTs-62

The OTs-62 uses a reduced power cartridge with a sleeve length of 67 mm. The drum of the revolver holds five rounds. The weight of a revolver-gun without cartridges is 2,5 kg. The OTs-62 barrel has a length of 200 mm. Weapon length - 366 mm.

In my opinion, the use of 12-gauge cartridges with such a barrel length is not rational. The barrel could be lengthened by 100 mm, and 20 caliber is optimal when firing a bullet. Taking into account that such a gun is practically not suitable for hunting and is effective when shooting a bullet at close range, it could be certified as a means of self-defense and equated in status with a smooth-bore weapon.

Of course, such a gun is far enough from the idea of ​​an ideal self-defense weapon. But that's better than nothing.
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  1. Lexus
    Lexus 16 November 2020 18: 10
    +9
    Sergey, welcome! hi
    Thanks for the interesting stories and cool "guns"!
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 16 November 2020 20: 45
      17
      It's funny (and sad) to read this ... All this is inaccessible to a Russian, from the word "in general" ...
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 16 November 2020 20: 49
        20
        Colleague hi,
        in our "holes" other "animals" are hiding. And they worry not about bears, but about themselves, loved ones.
        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 16 November 2020 20: 53
          12
          Yes, I know ... In my wanderings in my youth with geological parties together with Russian trappers across Taimyr, Pechora-Ob, Oymyakon and Tunguska, I endured a persistent notion that there is no way without a weapon and everyone there has one. It is clear what .... Even a byyksflint ("tee") came across, in my opinion, as early as the 19th century ... hi
          1. Bongo
            17 November 2020 02: 59
            14

            Quote: Snail N9
            Yes, I know ... In my wanderings in my youth with geological parties together with Russian trappers across Taimyr, Pechora-Ob, Oymyakon and Tunguska, I endured a persistent notion that there is no way without a weapon and everyone there has one. It is clear what .... Even a byyksflint ("tee") came across, in my opinion, as early as the 19th century ... hi

            The trouble is that in our country human life and health has no value. And his desire to take care of his own safety comes up against legislative hacks.
            1. Mister X
              Mister X 17 November 2020 22: 41
              +3
              hi
              With an initiative as an author about short-barrels!
              the guy had a compact gun with a pistol grip "Bekas-16M" on his shoulder

              They say that when reloading, it often drops a cartridge from the chamber.
              Is this true?
              1. zyablik.olga
                zyablik.olga 18 November 2020 00: 08
                +1
                Michael, hello! Seryozha does not have such a gun, he is unlikely to be able to clearly answer you.
                1. Mister X
                  Mister X 18 November 2020 00: 53
                  +2
                  Quote: zyablik.olga
                  Hello hello

                  Hello, Olenka!
                  Quote: zyablik.olga
                  it is unlikely that he will be able to clearly answer you.

                  Clear.
                  Maybe one of the readers knows and will answer
            2. Mister X
              Mister X 17 November 2020 22: 44
              +5
              One of the more popular .357 Magnum revolvers is the Ruger GP100.

              Sergey,
              Manurhin MR 357 is also produced under .73 Magnum
              Designed with Smith & Wesson in mind
              However, at Guns International, the price of MR 73 hovers around $ 3500.

              Revolver Manurin MR-73 with 5.25 barrel and speedloaders for quick loading.
            3. Mister X
              Mister X 17 November 2020 23: 33
              +4
              there are some developments on large-caliber revolvers in our country.

              Let me add, dear author!
              The Tula TsKIB SOO developed the RSh-12 revolver for the same cartridge 12,7x55 mm as the ASh-12 assault machine.
              RSh-12 was produced in scanty quantities.
              Adopted by the RF Armed Forces.
              In some places, even in armories, it lies on the far shelves.

              At one time, I published an article about this sample.
              One of the readers wrote that the barrel is without rifling, and the recoil is crazy.
              1. Toucan
                Toucan 19 November 2020 10: 18
                +2
                RSh-12 was produced in scanty quantities.
                Adopted by the RF Armed Forces.
                In some places, even in armories, it lies on the far shelves.
                RSh-12 is indeed produced in scanty quantities, but it is used exclusively by the FSB special forces.
                1. Mister X
                  Mister X 19 November 2020 11: 15
                  +3
                  Quote: Tucan
                  but it is used exclusively by the FSB special forces.

                  hi
                  I thought so too, but a SOBR sniper wrote to me
                  Quote: leonardo_1971
                  we had such a powerful thing in our squadron

                  So, it was used not only by the FSB special forces.

                  After examining his comments to other articles, I realized that he:
                  1) participated in the Second Chechen War (2004)
                  2) lives in Tatarstan

                  Article https://topwar.ru/51006-revolver-rsh-12-slonoboy-iz-tuly.html
          2. Harry.km
            Harry.km 17 November 2020 16: 49
            +5
            It's a story of self-control and marksmanship. The woman survived the attack of a grizzly bear with one accurate shot from her tiny 25 caliber Beretta Jetfire pistol. These are her own words.
            While walking in Missoula, Montana, my boyfriend and I were suddenly attacked by a huge grizzly bear, literally appearing out of the ground. She must have been protecting her cubs because she was extremely aggressive. If I didn't have my little Beretta Jetfire, I wouldn't be here today!
            I pulled it out of my purse and fired. The bullet hit my boyfriend in the knee, and the bear caught him easily. While the grizzly was tormenting the poor cripple, I was able to escape by simply walking away with a brisk pace.
            I love this gun. I will still have guys ... (c)
            1. Toucan
              Toucan 17 November 2020 17: 13
              +4
              I love this gun. I will still have guys ... (c)

              Thank you for having fun! laughing Funny bike!
            2. Intruder
              Intruder 18 November 2020 17: 04
              +3
              I love this gun. I will still have guys ... (c)
              feminist, with an accomplice in the form of a bear, tin ... :)
        2. impostor
          impostor 20 November 2020 21: 33
          +3
          About these "animals", which have a man-eating connecting rod on the logo, the author gave the correct short-barreled, but about the real owner of the taiga, who at a short distance, due to injury by scumbags who were too lazy to get, or when protecting their prey (there is a rotting battered cow under twigs) will go to you - a luch of course a saiga or a pig at 12 with a magazine for 8-10, but not sub-caliber expansive voles, but full-fledged expansive "Grizzlies" under a paradox with a paradox corresponding to a nozzle, and then, if the prey is guarded - have patience up to 10-15 m., the bear's throw can be frightening and then he will turn it off abruptly, and you can safely calmly steer your heels in the ass.
      2. aleks neym_2
        aleks neym_2 17 November 2020 07: 29
        -4
        I am interested in: and with "DaShka ​​Mona to walk in the taiga?"
        1. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 17 November 2020 12: 44
          +8
          Quote: aleks neym_2
          I am interested in: and with "DaShka ​​Mona to walk in the taiga?"

          You, like mona ... yes
      3. zenion
        zenion 18 November 2020 17: 31
        +1
        In Bukovina, not far from the town of Putila, there is a brutal reserve. There is a holiday "Vychid to Polonyna" there, this is when shepherds drive sheep and sheep to graze in the mountains. In general, we got acquainted with the person who looked after the reserve. We had several cases of beer and he invited us to visit. We sat and listened to his stories and hunted anecdotes until dark. The spent beer required an exit. We moved away from the kolyba to the bushes, opened the taps. Something snuffled. Yaroslav and I looked in that direction, and there two eyes shine quite high. We froze, and from the taps it is pouring incessantly, we are afraid to move. Probably midnight has passed, neither these eyes, nor we do not move. Then it dawned on the owner that we were gone for a long time. Came out with a lantern and found us like two statues. He came up to us and said, apparently to the bear - Mykhailo idy, go for a walk, with mene people. He turned around and left. Finally we closed the drain, packed it and returned to the house. The owner is silent, we have not come to our senses yet. We drank half a glass of vodka and let us go. So where did you go for almost half an hour, got lost? Here we have told. Then the owner told what was the matter, but very seriously. We burst out laughing then and they are all with us. And the forester had a conscience, did not want to laugh at us, and did not know whether we wanted to say about it, or it is better to be silent. The whole team arrived in a PAZik and returned home in a groove. It took an hour to drive. We told everything and everyone laughed. We even came up with something that was not, it was so easy on our souls. Everyone knows that a person's soul is under the bladder, as you clear it, it’s easy on the soul right away.
    2. Bongo
      17 November 2020 02: 57
      13
      Quote: lexus
      Sergey, welcome! hi
      Thanks for the interesting stories and cool "guns"!

      Alexey, hello!
      As for the "stories", only a small part of the cases of meeting with a bear that I know for certain are described here. Well, law-abiding citizens will never get "guns" for self-defense until this power is replaced. No.
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 17 November 2020 09: 38
        +5
        Quote: Bongo
        Well, law-abiding citizens will never receive "guns" for self-defense until this government is replaced.

        )))
        Actually, the second amendment looks like this
        A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

        Since a well-organized militia is necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and carry weapons should not be violated

        The short-barreled for the second amendment has been adjusted insofar as this wording is much more concerned, for example, mortars, ATGMs or MANPADS, especially if we recall what exactly the founding fathers believed security of a free state.
        But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security

        But when a long series of abuses and violence, invariably pursuing the same goal, reveals a desire to subject them to complete despotism, then this is their right, it is their duty to overthrow such a government and establish new safeguards to guard their future safety.

        As you understand, such an interpretation of the duties of citizens is infinitely far from European traditions in general and from Russian ones in particular. So hmm, "change of power" can hardly be limited here. (I note that the right of citizens to keep at home weapons of at least company level is not always respected in the United States either).
        And so you will be told that the second amendment is in effect in Russia. The police, you say, is necessary? Join the cops - you get a gun.
      2. Kalmar
        Kalmar 18 November 2020 12: 08
        0
        Quote: Bongo
        Well, law-abiding citizens will never receive "guns" for self-defense until this government is replaced.

        I don’t really know the question, so I’ll ask: if the "gun" is issued not according to the ROCh, but according to the PCa (ie self-defense) - is it already not considered a hunting tool? In theory, then it is possible to "transport" it with you (the desire of individual representatives of the bodies to interpret laws in an extended manner is not yet considered)?
      3. your1970
        your1970 20 November 2020 08: 01
        -3
        Quote: Bongo
        Well, law-abiding citizens will never get "guns" for self-defense until this power is replaced.

        Was another power, the people of the USSR? Was it?
        Did citizens have pistols for self-defense?
        Yeah, right schaz .....
  2. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 16 November 2020 18: 11
    +9
    Is it some kind of holiday today? So many gifts ... with pictures! good
    Now I'll carefully reread ... hi
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 16 November 2020 19: 03
      -21 qualifying.
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Is it some kind of holiday today? So many gifts ... with pictures! good
      Now I'll carefully reread ... hi

      only pictures are, the rest is a blizzard.
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 16 November 2020 20: 03
        +7
        Why a blizzard? I was shooting with 44win magician super redhock (too lazy to write in Latin) ... impressed! He shot both with a hand and with a stock. If it were not for the law, I would definitely have acquired it!
        1. your1970
          your1970 16 November 2020 22: 25
          +1
          Quote: Hunter 2
          If it were not for the law, I would definitely have acquired it!
          -Do you have an extra piece of bucks? Have you seen the price tag? Add customs duties and a toad of sellers to this - and you will see that these bear guns will cost from 100 ...
          1. Bongo
            17 November 2020 03: 09
            13
            Quote: your1970
            do you have an extra piece of bucks? have you seen the price tag? add customs duties and a toad of sellers to this - and you will see that these bear guns will cost from 100 ...

            And what prevents the production of similar guns from us? And the amount you have announced is not that great when it comes to security.
          2. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 17 November 2020 06: 22
            +7
            Quote: your1970
            Quote: Hunter 2
            If it were not for the law, I would definitely have acquired it!
            -Do you have an extra piece of bucks? Have you seen the price tag? Add customs duties and a toad of sellers to this - and you will see that these bear guns will cost from 100 ...

            I am a lover of "walking" hunting at any time of the year. We have enough bears in Siberia. By the way, one of the few animal species - with a steady population growth. I prefer to walk with Merkel 20/223. And the weight is small and Closes all options for the shot ... as a weapon of the last chance that's just perfect, although they are all heavy ... in the taiga, even a needle pulls to the Earth.
            Well, in bucks ... we'll find it! wink we will sell something unnecessary (c). laughing (vacation in Prostokvashino).
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 18 November 2020 17: 19
              +3
              What, but we have enough bears in Siberia
              et, exactly in 2018, was at a camp site in the Eastern Sayan Mountains (hello to fellow countrymen :)), noticed fresh bear droppings 500 meters away and this in the morning at 10 o'clock local time! There was no short barrel with me, which is a pity ... it was somewhat different (for obvious reasons I will not indicate here what exactly was in the pouch ... :)) There are many options, even derringers with six and three inch barrels are suitable "if short "(.45 LC / .410), but for now the lawmakers do not think about their voters, although our Russian manufacturers could flood the local market with quite interesting products and their own developments or good copies of foreign analogues in a couple of years ... ah, don't go to the forest, for wolves and bears !!!
      2. Bongo
        17 November 2020 03: 07
        10
        Quote: Aerodrome
        only pictures are, the rest is a blizzard.

        And what, excuse me, "blizzard"? Or do you know another way to avoid being attacked when facing an aggressive beast?
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 17 November 2020 16: 45
          -5
          Quote: Bongo
          Quote: Aerodrome
          only pictures are, the rest is a blizzard.

          And what, excuse me, "blizzard"? Or do you know another way to avoid an attack when meeting an aggressive beast?

          The blizzard is that in this case "aggressive beast" used by you just as an excuse to promote the idea of ​​legalizing the sale of short barrels to the population, which is the main purpose of the publication. It would be much more reasonable to refer to a meeting, on a country road, with some kind of Alabai and his inadequate owner, when the dog and his owner are not friendly and show aggression, regarding the remark made that the dog should be walked in a muzzle. These inadequacies are much worse than a forest animal.
          In the two cases you cited, the hunters had weapons with them, and the fact that they could not use them in an extreme situation is their fault and personal carelessness. Leaving a weapon on the street without a partner or a dog is not the best idea, even assuming that there is, albeit a minimal, chance to wake up and not find the weapon on the stud on which it hung outside the trailer. Beam is on the road and some conventional Vasya could grab the trunk while driving or passing by. Walking and explaining yourself to the licensing system is not the best event. I understand that your "victims" did not have dogs, otherwise they would have raised the hi when the beast approached even before it approached the beam, or the hut. I've listened to these nightly "dog concerts".
          PS- and yes, I still could not understand how the bear managed to claw the unlucky hunter for the left shoulder blade, if he "hesitated at the entrance", and then, having received a set on fire in his nose, recoiled. And why, it was easier for him to walk 8 hours on a bumpy road, losing blood, than to drive a car on a frozen October road. Something does not add up in this situation, along the way he whistled something to you, or does not say something.
          1. Bongo
            18 November 2020 10: 12
            +5
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            The blizzard lies in the fact that in this case the "aggressive beast" is used by you only as an excuse to promote the idea of ​​legalizing the sale of short-barrels to the population, which is the main purpose of the publication.

            This is your personal, purely subjective and unconfirmed opinion. No. I do not need a short-barreled gun in the city, but in the taiga, when it is legally impossible to take a gun there, I would not refuse an effective means of self-defense. This publication is talking about exactly this, it is a pity that you did not understand.
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            It would be much more reasonable to refer to a meeting, on a country road, with some kind of Alabai and his inadequate owner, when the dog and its owner are not friendly and show aggression about the remark made that the dog should be walked in a muzzle. These inadequacies are much worse than a forest animal.

            Sorry, I have never met Alabaev and other inadequate people in our Far Eastern taiga, but I have encountered bears more than once.
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            In the two cases you have cited, the hunters had weapons with them, and the fact that they could not use them in an extreme situation is their fault and personal carelessness. Leaving a weapon on the street without a partner or a dog is not the best idea, even assuming that there is, albeit a minimal, chance to wake up and not find the weapon on the stud on which it hung outside the trailer.

            Why the weapon remains on the street, the publication also says, but apparently this passed by you. In those places where this happened, there are no strangers, and the people are on friendly terms. Everyone knows everything about everyone.
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            I understand that your "victims" did not have dogs, otherwise they would have raised the hi when the beast approached even before it approached the beam, or the hut. I have listened to these nightly "dog concerts".

            "Concerts" when in the morning -40? Yeah, I believe ... yes But if you understood at least a little what you are talking about, you would know that a dog is not only unnecessary in sable fishing, but also harmful.
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            I could not understand how the bear managed to claw the unlucky hunter for the left shoulder blade, if he "hesitated at the entrance", and then, having received a set on fire in his nose, recoiled.

            The hunter had to slip under the beast's nose, and turn his back to remove the carbine from the nail.
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            And why, it was easier for him to walk 8 hours on a bumpy road, losing blood, than to drive a car on a frozen October road.

            Again, I am convinced that you looked at more pictures, strive to distort everything and adjust it to fit your theories. Here's what the post says:
            To the highway along which the timber was taken out, I had to walk 8 km
            As for walking, not driving, have you tried to drive a UAZ on a taiga road with one hand, and when it is impossible to lean on the seat?
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Something doesn't add up in this situation

            Only in your imagination ... request What's the point in lying to him?
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 18 November 2020 12: 55
              0
              Quote: Bongo
              Why the weapon remains on the street, the publication also says, but apparently this passed by you.

              Why by? It's familiar. In the Komi Republic, too, the subtropics are far from being and frosts are not too weak for themselves. Only there is no difficulty in wiping the condensate and drying the shutter upon arrival at the hut. Copper wire with a fixed rag can be pulled through the barrel without problems.
              Quote: Bongo
              "Concerts" when in the morning -40? Yeah, I believe ...

              I didn't write about listening to them in winter. But the dog's ears work in any season and at any temperature.
              Quote: Bongo
              But if you only understood a little what you are talking about ...
              I have been officially engaged in hunting since 1990, that is, for 30 years, besides I have three of my own huts, therefore, I am little aware of the topic.
              Quote: Bongo
              then they would know that a dog is not only unnecessary in sable hunting, but also harmful.
              laughing You made this day !!! I wonder why? Probably for the reason that the "fisherman" walks exclusively on kulemkas collecting crushed sables and he categorically should not leave the path if the dog worked on the sable aside? As I understand it, martens are not interested in him either. Well, if the sable jumps out from under the dead wood or outside the swath, then the hunter will catch up with him himself, you just have to be faster than the dog. In general, hunting dogs are harmful, they bark at animals.
              Quote: Bongo
              The hunter had to slip under the nose of the beast, and turn his back to remove the carbine from the nail. Again, I am convinced that you looked at more pictures, strive to distort everything and fit your theories. Here's what the post says:
              The publication actually says that he stopped to spend the night in the trailer that is in the photo. The carriage is on wheels. The door in this photo is open (if from the carriage then to the left side) and in order to close it and close it with a latch, it was necessary to "bribe" the hesitating bear. all other options to grab the door handle and close it are not rolled here. To throw the burning pillow, it was necessary to open the door again, for which it was necessary to push the "shaggy villain" hitting the door with this door in the direction of the door (they are in the photo). Now about the carnation. He is in the photo, if from the carriage, then on the right (the jacket is hanging on it). In order to remove it, you do not need to slip at the nose of a bear that has fallen from the steps, but just stick your hand through the doorway. He whistled something for you in this story. yes The first case you described is quite real to yourself, but with the second case, well, it does not stick at all, tk. outside of logic. Believe it or not, it's everyone's business. You believed, I doubted. Let's finish for this hi
              1. Bongo
                18 November 2020 13: 38
                +2
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                Why by? It's familiar. In the Komi Republic, too, the subtropics are far from being and frosts are not too weak for themselves. Only there is no difficulty in wiping the condensate and drying the shutter upon arrival at the hut. Copper wire with a fixed rag can be pulled through the barrel without problems.

                And so every day from November 1st to the end of February? Please tell our hunters about this.
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                I didn't write about listening to them in winter. But the dog's ears work in any season and at any temperature.

                Where should the dog stay at night, in the winter or on the street?
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                You made this day !!!

                I am sincerely happy for you! Nevertheless, in our conditions they do not go sable with a dog. The hunters, in whose winter quarters we spent the night, categorically objected to the dogs, and did not take them themselves. We catch sables with traps, an adult husky is quite capable of jumping up to get the bait.
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                Believe it or not, it's everyone's business.

                Nevertheless, the bear caught the hunter and he filled him up. I know this for sure.
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                Let's finish for this

                Have a nice one you too.
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 18 November 2020 16: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: Bongo
                  And so every day from November 1st to the end of February? Please tell our hunters about this.

                  And what, your hunters don't clean their weapons from November 1 to the end of February? They walk through the forest and neither snow from the branches nor needles falls into their trunks? I came and hung it outside and let it whist - in principle it is convenient, only one day the barrel will inflate.
                  Quote: Bongo
                  Where should the dog stay at night, in the winter or on the street?
                  Well, in a severe frost, I can let him lie under the bunks, and so, he lives on the street under a canopy.
                  Quote: Bongo
                  We catch sables with traps, an adult husky is quite capable of jumping up to get the bait.
                  Poor dog raised means. A similar is treated with a similar, namely by setting a weak trap under the bait. It will fit a couple of times, after that it will not come closer than three meters to the trap with bait.
                  Quote: Bongo
                  Nevertheless, the bear caught the hunter and he filled him up. I know this for sure.
                  Well, okay. Each with his own.
                  Quote: Bongo
                  Have a nice one you too.

                  Mutually. yes
            2. Intruder
              Intruder 18 November 2020 17: 29
              +3
              I don't need a stubby in town
              you have few two-legged "bears" in your city, street crime has been wiped out !? :)
              you have not tried to drive a UAZ on a taiga road with one hand, and when it is impossible to lean on the seat?
              here 50/50%, or go fast and not lean on the seat, or slowly walk in the snow bleeding, here it is more for an amateur, most likely, everything is individual, someone chooses to walk 40 km., with a tire on a broken shin (would UAZ at my side, I would ride on it pressing the pedals with one foot, really ...) :).
  3. Asad
    Asad 16 November 2020 18: 17
    +6
    Very interesting! A well deserved plus! What a beautiful nature, it's a pity if they sell everything to China!
  4. SaLaR
    SaLaR 16 November 2020 18: 20
    -10 qualifying.
    dream .... (((
    1. Bongo
      17 November 2020 03: 14
      14
      Quote: SaLaR
      dream .... (((

      A very thoughtful comment! good
      As for the felling of the taiga, our loggers are also not lagging behind the Chinese. Here's what remains after them:

      Moreover, the forest is often cut in the water protection zone, on the banks of the rivers. And nobody is engaged in reforestation.
  5. Fidel
    Fidel 16 November 2020 18: 22
    +5
    Safari PN-101. The pump is made in Kharkov. Barrel 47 cm, weight with ELEVEN rounds (5 in the magazine 6 in the cartridge belt) 3,3 kg. For all occasions!
    1. Mik13
      Mik13 17 November 2020 00: 07
      +5
      Quote: Fidel
      Safari PN-101. Pump, they make in Kharkov ...

      In fact, in Kharkov, they are only assembled from Turkish components.
      1. Fidel
        Fidel 17 November 2020 11: 29
        +5
        I don't mind at all. So let it be. The device is very good at a completely friendly price. I have one in my arsenal.
  6. sergo1914
    sergo1914 16 November 2020 18: 23
    -6
    Every summer we go to a remote village (south of the Arkhangelsk region). Bears - to hell.
    Basic rules:
    1) do not approach the bear with cubs. I saw in the forest - quickly dump, until the cubs noticed and ran to get acquainted. Otherwise - no chance.
    2) the bear is well fed in summer and sleeps during the day. You can step on it - figs you will notice where it lies. Avoid people. Itself will never climb. Will dump silently somewhere in the thicket.
    3) do not go to the forest in winter. There is nothing to do there.
    All together - there are no victims from bears. Absolutely. Headless tourists climbing to the cubs with cameras and selfie sticks are not a pity. Natural selection has not been canceled.
    Summary: all this shooting short-barreled shnyaga is not needed in FIG. Pouring into the forest, for mushrooms or berries, a short trunk weighing several kilograms is a dubious pleasure. It is even more doubtful what will help. You can stop a horseradish bear from a gun.
    If it's really scary - take a normal gun from one of the neighbors. They will laugh, but they will. I have never met anyone checking documents in the forest.
    Summary: the author has nothing to do, so he is carrying a blizzard.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 16 November 2020 18: 37
      +4
      I had a chance to meet a bear and a she-bear with cubs several times.
      In an open area you notice them quickly and bypass them, the problem is when you walk along the stream through dense thickets ... here it's easy to run into a bear ... I constantly saw fresh tracks ... Thank God, I was lucky not to run into an inadequate bear.
      I didn't carry weapons with me ... I was young, stupid ... I thought I'd run away with quick legs, but I didn't think how I would behave when he reared up in front of him ... oh, youth, youth ... I heard enough stories about meetings with a bear.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 16 November 2020 19: 57
        14
        This fall my wife and I went for a walk in a park on the very border of NY and NJ. The park smoothly turns into a wild forest. And on the path we came across a huge pile of fresh shit. Deer don't do that, they produce a lot of balls. There are no other large herbivores in these parts; moose and bison were destroyed more than 100 years ago. A man of this size could not put a bunch of papers, and there were no pieces of paper nearby. In general, we turned around and walked towards the more crowded and less wooded part of the park, and this was one of the very few moments when I regretted leaving the Nagant at home. Of course, brown bears are not found here, but black bears, even more so, heaped up SUCH a heap, will not seem a little.
        And a couple of days later the news came that the governor of NJ, the crap Murphy, had banned the opening of the bear hunt season. I do not hunt, but the number of bears must be kept at a safe level, otherwise it becomes cramped for them, they try to settle wider, and come to places populated by people. Yes, and on the roads I saw carcasses on the side of the road several times, and I can imagine how the front of those cars was beaten, with which these bears were not lucky to meet.
        Quote: from a joke
        I went to the bushes to pee. Met a bear. At the same time he pooped.
        1. sergo1914
          sergo1914 16 November 2020 21: 31
          -1
          Quote: Nagan
          This fall my wife and I went for a walk in a park on the very border of NY and NJ. The park smoothly turns into a wild forest. And on the path we came across a huge pile of fresh shit. Deer don't do that, they produce a lot of balls. There are no other large herbivores in these parts; moose and bison were destroyed more than 100 years ago. A man of this size could not put a bunch of papers, and there were no pieces of paper nearby. In general, we turned around and walked towards the more crowded and less wooded part of the park, and this was one of the very few moments when I regretted leaving the Nagant at home. Of course, brown bears are not found here, but black bears, even more so, heaped up SUCH a heap, will not seem a little.
          And a couple of days later the news came that the governor of NJ, the crap Murphy, had banned the opening of the bear hunt season. I do not hunt, but the number of bears must be kept at a safe level, otherwise it becomes cramped for them, they try to settle wider, and come to places populated by people. Yes, and on the roads I saw carcasses on the side of the road several times, and I can imagine how the front of those cars was beaten, with which these bears were not lucky to meet.
          Quote: from a joke
          I went to the bushes to pee. Met a bear. At the same time he pooped.


          Last year I came across a freshly eaten anthill. Straight, literally, seconds. The ants have just begun to drag away the larvae. Not "pooped", literally, a miracle. My wife was picking blueberries about 200 meters away. I'm on my tiptoe. Maybe he was looking at me, an infection. Maybe dumped to the river. Wash down sour.

          PS It is better not to get the Nagant. He will only get upset. And he will be offended.
        2. Kisa
          Kisa 16 November 2020 22: 53
          +6
          good article the places are beautiful .... from the dashing people))) there were stories of people disappearing in the pine cone, they were not bears, but people were watching at the exit. ...)) the north of Primorye, black bears were hollowed out och a lot in the 90s, their paws were chopped off and smuggled into China with bags of potatoes.
          if you spend a lot of time in the forest, you know approximately how a bear will react in spring or autumn. to protect small ones or your piece ... although there are cases ...
          I'm not sure that the pistol is the first choice for self-defense - the bear is quite tough on a wound even with a good caliber and goes far ...
          there are many other means - rocket sprays ... when you wind up on the hunt 20 -40 km along the hills a day, every kilogram counts.
          and of course the legislation-in the States och liberal. in Canada, a day of courses and take any carbine and an additional day for restriction - semi-automatic machines and pistols.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 16 November 2020 21: 22
      +7
      Quote: sergo1914
      You can stop a horseradish bear from a gun.

      This is true .. in general, if a bear decided to hunt for a man, then the chances of a man are very few .. practically no .. and if a chance meeting and the bear is scared, then here it is 50-50 .. for this you need to rattle with something iron, well, or sounds publish periodically ..
      Here is an interesting video, it would seem such a carcass, but it jumps onto a pine tree in three seconds ..
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 16 November 2020 21: 45
        +1
        Quote: Svarog
        This is true .. in general, if a bear decided to hunt for a man, then the chances of a man are very few .. practically no .. and if a chance meeting and the bear is scared, then here it is 50-50 .. for this you need to rattle with something iron, well, or sounds publish periodically ..


        The year before last. We went with a neighbor to the store, to the local civilization. 8 kilometers. On the way back, they stopped right behind the piece of iron. Tradition. Persuade the bubble under the store's pie. The engine was shut down. After the third pile, a fur ball rolls out of the forest. It seemed like a meter and a half. Got up on his hind legs. We commented in chorus on this event in spoken language. It costs. The neighbor looked closely - says the bear cub. Two-year-old, left my mother already. Come on, says his ear with a scratch. He's still stupid. I say ... can't reproduce here. Emotionally too. On its hind legs, it doesn't look like a bear cub! He stood for about five minutes and dumped into the forest. Well, somehow we are going with my wife through the woods. There the tops of all the small anthills are knocked down along the road. From there we trot into the village. I told her later that little bears play like that. It means that the bear is somewhere nearby. She now categorically refuses to go to that forest (beyond the river).
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 18 November 2020 17: 46
        +3
        drive back 500 meters so as not to provoke the nurse !? But it is better to shoot through the glass, although the "wicked mother" is still a kind of entertainment, when there are small children in the booth, an extreme man can be seen :)
        1. sergo1914
          sergo1914 18 November 2020 18: 33
          0
          Quote: Intruder
          drive back 500 meters so as not to provoke the nurse !? But it is better to shoot through the glass, although the "wicked mother" is still a kind of entertainment, when there are small children in the booth, an extreme man can be seen :)


          He is already without a mother. One. Didn't take a single photo. I forgot about the phone tightly. There were no children with us.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 18 November 2020 19: 06
            +4
            there against the background of a child's voice and a man with his son is talking all the video ...
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    4. Catfish
      Catfish 16 November 2020 22: 50
      +8
      Summary: the author has nothing to do, so he is carrying a blizzard.

      Blizzard, of course, and that you can run into a huntsman in the forest is also a blizzard. And you are doing well until you have never run into a beast, but if you run into it, you will sing other songs, if at all. We have no bears in Ryazan, but wild boars have become a problem for ten years already, and wolves have begun to flicker, and these cute little animals don't care what the forest or the village is - they can always visit.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 17 November 2020 01: 29
        +7
        I "talked" with a wild boar on a blueberry - I held the "pen" behind my back and mentally pointed under my ear ... To our happiness, the female with the piglets passed by and we parted without bloodshed.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 17 November 2020 01: 30
          +7
          Lucky ... both.))
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 17 November 2020 01: 39
            +6
            He was sane ... and I was not hungry. winked But life had flashed before my eyes. On Laskovskoye Lake this summer the pig was a frequent visitor. They even fed them. Next year, when he appears, someone will do a lot for himself now. Especially, taking into account the change in his hormonal background, which inevitably accompanies growing up. The wolf also returned. Well there is no bear.

            1. Catfish
              Catfish 17 November 2020 01: 45
              +3
              It’s good if he will put one of the first and d and o v-well-wishers on the canine just at the time of feeding, he will screech. But children ... are the worst.
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 17 November 2020 01: 55
                +6
                Duc with the children and fought "to feed the pig with fruit." An adult boar will never give up on additional protein, although it is not a predator. With rare slaughter places, a fortress on hooves, with which even carnivores do not dare to mess with.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 17 November 2020 02: 09
                  +5
                  About that and speech.
                  1. Lexus
                    Lexus 17 November 2020 02: 18
                    +5
                    At the same time, minke pigs are not always afraid of humans, they are inquisitive, like all children, and they are drawn to cuddle. What could cost your life when your parents return.

                    Fragment from the movie "Who am I?" (1998)
    5. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 16 November 2020 22: 58
      0
      Quote: sergo1914
      Summary: all this shooting short-barreled shnyaga is not needed in FIG. Pouring into the forest, for mushrooms or berries, a short trunk weighing several kilograms is a dubious pleasure. It is even more doubtful what will help. You can stop a horseradish bear from a gun.

      What's right is right. (Izh-27EM 12X70) All the same, up to fifty meters I left and was extinguished somewhere behind an eversion with roots, somewhere behind a fallen tree, somewhere in a small spruce forest and always with my head on the heel - I waited until I fell asleep. Therefore, at first I smoked a couple of cigarettes, and only then went to pick up.
      In order not to meet with him in the summer, you need to talk to yourself along the way or whistle some melody. If he is somewhere nearby, he will hear and leave, because and he himself is not eager to meet a person. In winter, with a connecting rod, this will no longer work. It's good how, after a shot from a short-barreled barrel, it will be fed back, and if it goes into the frontal, then the remaining resource (up to fifty meters) will be enough for a mushroom picker, or a fisherman with a short-barrel, to spoil the skin. Here you have to really hit the head or the spine. So short-barreled, it's more for complacency, although it still gives no chance.
    6. Toucan
      Toucan 17 November 2020 01: 49
      +9
      As I understand it, the author lives in the Far East and describes his realities. Moreover, there are photographs in the article. As for the "blizzard", in my opinion, you got excited, and you are confusing the author with the president's press secretary.
    7. Bongo
      17 November 2020 03: 27
      11
      Quote: sergo1914
      Every summer we go to a remote village (south of the Arkhangelsk region). Bears - to hell.
      Basic rules:
      1) do not approach the bear with cubs. I saw in the forest - quickly dump, until the cubs noticed and ran to get acquainted. Otherwise - no chance.
      2) the bear is well fed in summer and sleeps during the day. You can step on it - figs you will notice where it lies. Avoid people. Itself will never climb. Will dump silently somewhere in the thicket.
      3) do not go to the forest in winter. There is nothing to do there.

      I agree with the first unconditionally, the second and the third are very controversial. You apparently did not read too carefully that part of the publication where I shared my personal experience. I don't know how in the Arkhangelsk region, but in the Far East, the bear can be aggressive in the summer. Regarding "not going in winter", do you suggest that residents of taiga villages and stations on the BAM do not leave their homes for work in winter, do not go for firewood or go fishing?

      In my opinion, such a fish is worth getting out into the taiga in winter.

      Quote: sergo1914
      Summary: all this shooting short-barreled shnyaga is not needed in FIG.

      Please answer for yourself. If you don't need security, then you don't have to decide for others. No.
      Quote: sergo1914
      It is even more doubtful what will help. You can stop a horseradish bear from a gun.

      Excuse me, what is your experience with hunting and handling firearms?
      Quote: sergo1914
      If it's really scary - take a normal gun from one of the neighbors.

      I am forced to state once again that you did not read what was written carefully, or simply are not able to assimilate the information. request
      Quote: sergo1914
      Summary: the author has nothing to do, so he is carrying a blizzard.

      I just tried to voice the existing problem, it is a pity that you did not understand this. hi
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 17 November 2020 07: 14
        0
        Quote: Bongo
        I just tried to voice the existing problem, it is a pity that you did not understand this.


        In turn, I tried to voice another point of view. People (with families) live in the wilderness all year round. With bears, wolves, foxes, lynx ... Every house has a gun. You can't live without him here. Especially in winter. But no one is weighed down with trunks up to the nostrils, in order to simply go to the forest. For berries and mushrooms, fishing. Just take a walk in the pine forest. There are simple rules to avoid finding adventure in the forest. Again. There are a lot of bears. No one has suffered from them. There are no missing local or "summer residents" who come for the summer. To make a bear attack a person in the summer is an almost impossible task. For a mentally healthy person. An exception is a she-bear with cubs. But here, too, there is a simple rule: if you see, leave. Everything. Large stubby trunk:
        a) not needed
        b) won't help
        c) for some categories of people creates a dangerous illusion of security. Which can lead to bad consequences.
        d) shooting from something at a bear accidentally met in the forest is a dubious undertaking in every sense
        PS IMHO.
        1. Bongo
          17 November 2020 15: 23
          +5
          It seems that you and I speak different languages, or you have not read part of the article. request
          Quote: sergo1914
          There are a lot of bears. No one has suffered from them. There are no missing local or "summer residents" who come for the summer. To make a bear attack a person in the summer is an almost impossible task.

          Maybe you should come to us? No, I'm absolutely serious. I'm taking you fishing, look at the floating heaps left by the bear. Talk to the locals, if you don’t believe me people ask around about the "impossible task". In general, you surprise me. I didn’t notice you being categorical before. No.
          Quote: sergo1914
          Large stubby trunk:
          a) not needed
          b) won't help
          c) for some categories of people creates a dangerous illusion of security. Which can lead to bad consequences.

          If you don’t need it, don’t speak for others. No. Whether it will help or not, there is absolutely reliable statistics on the use of the short barrel against bears in the United States (there is a link on this thread), as well as the practice of using the short barrel in our country. The most effective pistol, quite predictably, turned out to be the TT, but it was also possible to fight off the Nagans.
          Quote: sergo1914
          shooting from something at a bear accidentally encountered in the forest is a dubious undertaking in every sense

          Excuse me, but where in the publication is it called "to shoot at a bear accidentally met"? It is exclusively about self-defense.
          Quote: sergo1914
          People (with families) live in the wilderness all year round. With bears, wolves, foxes, lynx ... Every house has a gun.

          Especially for you I will repeat what the publication says:
          According to the current legislation, being in the taiga with a weapon outside the hunting season or without an open voucher-license for hunting birds or animals is automatically considered poaching and leads to the seizure of weapons and a large fine.

          for self-defense from wild animals and dashing people in the taiga, an optimal large-caliber short-barreled multiple-charge weapon that does not have a butt. Such a weapon is comfortable to carry and not suitable for hunting, which means that its owner cannot be indiscriminately accused of poaching.

          Those. no matter what kind of weapon it will be, the main thing is that it would not be suitable for hunting. We honor the laws, don't we?
          1. sergo1914
            sergo1914 17 November 2020 16: 55
            0
            Quote: Bongo
            It seems that you and I speak different languages, or you have not read part of the article. request
            Quote: sergo1914
            There are a lot of bears. No one has suffered from them. There are no missing local or "summer residents" who come for the summer. To make a bear attack a person in the summer is an almost impossible task.

            Maybe you should come to us? No, I'm absolutely serious. I'm taking you fishing, look at the floating heaps left by the bear. Talk to the locals, if you don’t believe me people ask around about the "impossible task". In general, you surprise me. I didn’t notice you being categorical before. No.
            Quote: sergo1914
            Large stubby trunk:
            a) not needed
            b) won't help
            c) for some categories of people creates a dangerous illusion of security. Which can lead to bad consequences.

            If you don’t need it, don’t speak for others. No. Whether it will help or not, there is absolutely reliable statistics on the use of the short barrel against bears in the United States (there is a link on this thread), as well as the practice of using the short barrel in our country. The most effective pistol, quite predictably, turned out to be the TT, but it was also possible to fight off the Nagans.
            Quote: sergo1914
            shooting from something at a bear accidentally encountered in the forest is a dubious undertaking in every sense

            Excuse me, but where in the publication is it called "to shoot at a bear accidentally met"? It is exclusively about self-defense.
            Quote: sergo1914
            People (with families) live in the wilderness all year round. With bears, wolves, foxes, lynx ... Every house has a gun.

            Especially for you I will repeat what the publication says:
            According to the current legislation, being in the taiga with a weapon outside the hunting season or without an open voucher-license for hunting birds or animals is automatically considered poaching and leads to the seizure of weapons and a large fine.

            for self-defense from wild animals and dashing people in the taiga, an optimal large-caliber short-barreled multiple-charge weapon that does not have a butt. Such a weapon is comfortable to carry and not suitable for hunting, which means that its owner cannot be indiscriminately accused of poaching.

            Those. no matter what kind of weapon it will be, the main thing is that it would not be suitable for hunting. We honor the laws, don't we?


            It's strange that you don't hear me. I express my personal opinion. Like everywhere I add IMHO. It's just shorter. What does categoricality have to do with it? I'm not trying to convince you. I heard your opinion. Expressed his own. My family and I go there to rest every year. For 25 years. The parents bought the house. Now we go by ourselves. We like it there. Quite a long time. To understand and assess the situation. And see the floating heaps. And what I described in my comments.
            About guns. Naturally, no one just walks around the village and the forest with them around their necks. But people know how to use them. In winter, wolves often enter the village. Even dogs are stolen. Here, alas, from the porch to the wolf ... there may be a violation. Or maybe it's common sense. According to US statistics: there is Alaska, and there is New York. There is a large stubby trunk both there and there. So what? How many bears and non-bears have been shot there and there according to police statistics?
            Summary:
            1) we don't need it
            2) I feel calmer in the forest if people with pistols do not rummage around it.
            It's my personal opinion. You can agree and disagree with him.
            PS It's tempting to visit the Far East. But I can't get to Khakassia, to my classmate. We have been building a house for two years. Wooden. With your own hands.



      2. Kisa
        Kisa 17 November 2020 20: 37
        0
        I don't know where the fota comes from, but poaching should not be encouraged here. yes, a good trophy taymeshik, but according to the law, now take a photo and return it back. and so I liked your article. the tops of Ussuri are similar - this fucking elektrokok all pants in the trash))
        1. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 18 November 2020 00: 17
          +2
          Quote: kitty
          I don't know where the fota comes from, but poaching should not be encouraged here. yes, a good trophy taymeshik, but according to the law, now take a photo and return it back.

          In the summer, Seryozha releases all the taimen. But in winter, those that are more than 5 kg take. The fish is delicious. Have you tried planing with taimen? As for the laws, let our "lawyers" themselves try to live by them.
          1. Kisa
            Kisa 18 November 2020 01: 46
            +1
            Olya look at the root. well at least in the summer lets go I myself am a noble poacher, but disturbing the red one for spawning or the taymeshka for the planer is like a passed stage. played fototalsya and let go of this is a big plus in karma)). the south of Primorye Kievka to the north of Ussuri Kem there are almost no trophies left as well as the Sakhalin sea. Soon as in that joke - I release the little one and the large one in a jar of mayonnaise ... I hope Seryozha won't do you bad for the information given out))
            1. Bongo
              18 November 2020 09: 54
              +4
              Quote: kitty
              I myself am a noble poacher, but disturbing the red one for spawning or the tymeshka for the planer - yes, well, it's like a passed stage

              I catch red fish, but only under a license, and naturally not on caviar. As for the taimen, let me disagree with you. They still exist in the rivers 1000 km north of you, and I don't see any crime if I catch a couple of large ones in winter. Why only large ones? But because the taimen grows very slowly and large specimens have spawned many times and gave birth to offspring. Yes, and large taimen eat lenok and grayling very well. There is no other fish in the pit where the hardened taimen lives. Although there are exceptions, we somehow caught two specimens of 10-12 kg from one pit.
              1. unaha
                unaha 18 November 2020 15: 50
                +2
                "they are still" - the key word here is "more". In the Urals, 30 years ago, they were also "still". But now it’s not. And grayling, apparently, will soon follow the taimen. A moratorium is already needed for the catch, complete, but unrealistic.
                1. zyablik.olga
                  zyablik.olga 19 November 2020 00: 12
                  +4
                  Quote: unaha
                  "they are still" - the key word here is "more". In the Urals, 30 years ago, they were also "still". But now it’s not. And grayling, apparently, will soon follow the taimen. A moratorium is already needed for the catch, complete, but unrealistic.

                  The main harm to the fish population is not caused by fishermen. There are many rivers in the Far East, and the population density is low. Have you ever seen what becomes with the river after the dredge of gold miners has passed through it, or how the forest is mowed along the banks?
                  1. unaha
                    unaha 19 November 2020 10: 02
                    +1
                    "Have you ever seen what to become with the river after the dredge of gold miners has passed along it, or how the forest is mowed along the banks?" - and then f (((
                    However, fishermen now make their very significant share, especially by catching everything in small rivers and upper reaches (and I also regularly see this), which have become much "closer" for the masses (with the advent and wide availability of navigation and technology).
    8. Fidel
      Fidel 17 November 2020 11: 33
      +3
      Six 12-gauge bullets, 32 grams each? Do you think this is for bears? I agree with the first two points)
    9. Intruder
      Intruder 18 November 2020 17: 34
      +4
      Pouring into the forest, for mushrooms or berries, a short trunk weighing several kilograms is a dubious pleasure.
      better wooden mac, after mushrooms and berries !? :)
      take a normal rouge from one of the neighbors
      and expose yourself and your neighbors, without documents on the trunk, "past the hunting season", then in general it turns out illegal illegal !?
  7. Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 16 November 2020 18: 29
    +7
    U-94 "Blow"

    Compared to the aforementioned imports, Impact is such a squalor that if you have a choice, no one will buy it. Well, the fact that there is no choice is completely from the word ...
    shl. When I lived in the North on a fishing trip, I took a pump Bekas. I put the short barrel and pistol grip in my backpack. Bears, they cannot be stopped with a gas balloon laughing
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 16 November 2020 20: 23
      0
      Quote: Shelest2000
      Compared to the aforementioned imports, Impact is such a squalor that if you have a choice, no one will buy it.
      Sorry topic sisedomestic monster-KS not disclosed: where is RSh-12?
      He has a hunting cartridge and will be fine.
  8. Undecim
    Undecim 16 November 2020 18: 36
    +8
    The author, let's say, in an attempt to attract a bear to justify the need to wear a short-stemmed trunk, pulled an owl onto a globe.
    In the world (in the world!), About forty attacks of bears on people are recorded annually. Half of these attacks are defense by the female cubs. At the same time, the fatal outcomes of such meetings, oddly enough, are not so many. In the United States, no more than thirty people have died from bear attacks over the past ten years.
    For comparison. In just one year in the United States, deer kill about 120 people. In Alaska, moose injure more people than bears. And hippos kill about 3000 people in the world every year. But the worst predator is the mosquito. Its bites kill 750 people every year. Moreover, unlike a bear, it is almost impossible to fight mosquitoes with a firearm.
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 16 November 2020 18: 42
      0
      Quote: Undecim
      Moreover, unlike a bear, it is almost impossible to fight mosquitoes with a firearm.


      You shouldn't have thrown a new topic to the author. Oh, in vain.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 16 November 2020 18: 44
        +9
        You shouldn't have thrown a new topic to the author. Oh, in vain.

        You tell the bear when he starts to eat you. hi
        1. sergo1914
          sergo1914 16 November 2020 18: 54
          -1
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          You shouldn't have thrown a new topic to the author. Oh, in vain.

          You tell the bear when he starts to eat you. hi


          I'm actually talking about mosquitoes.
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 16 November 2020 19: 02
            +4
            I'm actually talking about mosquitoes.

            smile hi Sorry.
            Once Detu forgot in the camp ... the whole route was the stuff of these Gestapo men and sadists ... there is such a rumble in the air ... you will make an indescribable crunch from mosquitoes on your partner's back ... I still remember.
            1. sergo1914
              sergo1914 16 November 2020 19: 45
              +9
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              I'm actually talking about mosquitoes.

              smile hi Sorry.
              Once Detu forgot in the camp ... the whole route was the stuff of these Gestapo men and sadists ... there is such a rumble in the air ... you will make an indescribable crunch from mosquitoes on your partner's back ... I still remember.


              Mosquitoes are relaxation. MIDGE! With accent on a. This is tin!
      2. Undecim
        Undecim 16 November 2020 21: 40
        +4
        Well, if the author is able to bring mosquitoes to the topic of resolving short-stemmed ...
        As for a revolver, in order to kill a bear with it, you need, firstly, nerves of iron, because you need to shoot in the head or heart and at a minimum distance, and secondly - to professionally own this revolver. Without these two components, a bear from a revolver can only be killed by accident. But to injure him and thereby provoke an attack, the chances are much greater. Therefore, bears are not suitable for campaigning in favor of the short-barreled.
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 16 November 2020 21: 45
          +3
          Mosquitoes are relaxation. MIDGE! With accent on a. This is tin!
          We take any bear revolver, preferably the largest caliber, remove the bullet, instead of it we make a wad from scrap materials such as paper, pour dust on top and again a wad of paper. We equip the revolver and shoot at the mosquitoes and gnaw.
          1. sergo1914
            sergo1914 16 November 2020 21: 49
            +3
            Quote: Undecim
            Mosquitoes are relaxation. MIDGE! With accent on a. This is tin!
            We take any bear revolver, preferably the largest caliber, remove the bullet, instead of it we make a wad from scrap materials such as paper, pour dust on top and again a wad of paper. We equip the revolver and shoot at the mosquitoes and gnaw.


            There you will need a howitzer.
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 16 November 2020 22: 03
              0
              There you will need a howitzer.
              You shouldn't have thrown a new topic to the author. Oh, in vain.
            2. your1970
              your1970 16 November 2020 22: 35
              -2
              Quote: sergo1914
              Quote: Undecim
              Mosquitoes are relaxation. MIDGE! With accent on a. This is tin!
              We take any bear revolver, preferably the largest caliber, remove the bullet, instead of it we make a wad from scrap materials such as paper, pour dust on top and again a wad of paper. We equip the revolver and shoot at the mosquitoes and gnaw.


              There you will need a howitzer.
              - as an artilleryman - heavy-gaiters I responsibly declare - no howitzers - only "Grad" with dust !!! or better "Hurricane" !!!
              But the ideal option is of course TOS-1 .... lol lol
              there will be enough fried mosquito meat to feed all the local predators
              1. your1970
                your1970 20 November 2020 20: 16
                0
                but the people do not understand humor
        2. sergo1914
          sergo1914 16 November 2020 21: 51
          +1
          Quote: Undecim
          As for the revolver, in order to kill a bear out of it, you need, first, nerves of iron, because you need to shoot in the head or heart and at a minimum distance,


          Lobeshnik will not penetrate. In the eye or in the mouth open can be smeared. There are easier and less painful ways to commit suicide.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 16 November 2020 22: 17
            +4
            Lobeshnik will not penetrate.
            .500 S&W Magnum? Almost 4000 J? Brains will be all over the forest. The question is that the bear's brain is relatively small, so you need to shoot at the rectangle between the ears and eyes about 200 x 150 mm.
            1. sergo1914
              sergo1914 16 November 2020 23: 27
              +2
              Quote: Undecim
              Lobeshnik will not penetrate.
              .500 S&W Magnum? Almost 4000 J? Brains will be all over the forest. The question is that the bear's brain is relatively small, so you need to shoot at the rectangle between the ears and eyes about 200 x 150 mm.


              I'm talking about an ordinary revolver. This one - yes. But you can't hold it with both hands. Plus, the arrow must be held so that the recoil does not take away. And how far should you be allowed in order to get guaranteed into this rectangle? Not all Rolands from Gilead. IMHO it is clear that you cannot run away from the bear in the forest. But not to create reasons for the attack of the summer bear is quite a feasible task.
              Well, in conclusion ...

        3. Bongo
          17 November 2020 15: 37
          +4
          Quote: Undecim
          Well, if the author is able to bring mosquitoes to the topic of resolving short-stemmed ...

          What do you know about mosquitoes?

          Have you ever seen a dozen out of thin air at once?
          Quote: Undecim
          But the worst predator is the mosquito. Its bites kill 750 people every year.

          In Russia, and just the same from bites? Maybe malaria? Duc malaria is treated, and if a bear bites your head off, it’s not cured forever.
          Quote: Undecim
          We take any bear revolver, preferably the largest caliber, remove the bullet, instead of it we make a wad from scrap materials such as paper, pour dust on top and again a wad of paper. We equip the revolver and shoot at the mosquitoes and gnaw.

          Your will. But I usually get around mosquitoes and gnats with a mosquito net, gloves and repellent. "Military" repellents are especially good. But they are not freely sold, and you can use them if you use them without measure. And if the forest does not need to move during fishing and the floor, then the cheapest cigarettes help well. Although I am not a smoker, while the cigarette is smoldering, the gnat does not come into my face.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 17 November 2020 16: 03
            -4
            What do you know about mosquitoes?
            What do you know about dengue and Zika virus?
            1. Toucan
              Toucan 17 November 2020 17: 19
              +3
              In the Far East, these diseases, unlike bears, are not found. No.
            2. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 17 November 2020 17: 53
              +4
              Viktor Nikolaevich, your "subtle English humor" still needs a habit. The author is about the sore, and you are about hippos and Dengue fever ...
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 17 November 2020 17: 59
                -2
                As the proverb says, each hut has its own rattles.
                The author is worried about local bears. I did not have a chance to communicate with Far Eastern bears. But I had to be where hippos, Dengue fever and one mosquito bite can send a person to a better world.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 17 November 2020 18: 14
                  +6
                  I also meant something like that. When I say that the hippopotamus is considered the second most dangerous animal in Africa, they don't believe me ...
                  1. Undecim
                    Undecim 17 November 2020 18: 24
                    +3
                    the second most dangerous animal in Africa is the hippopotamus, they don't believe me ...
                    Yes, looking at a hippo in a zoo, it is difficult to imagine what he is like in anger.
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 17 November 2020 18: 51
                      +7
                      So the polar bear in the zoo is such a sweetheart!
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 16 November 2020 20: 25
      14
      Quote: Undecim
      In the world (in the world!), About forty attacks of bears on people are recorded annually.
      This had to be said to the woman, who was lifted up by the bear in the summer. Not too far from the city.
      He walked around our dachas (not the one that pulled up). From the city 5 km, the dachas themselves are residential (a little less noisy than the city).
      1. your1970
        your1970 16 November 2020 22: 46
        +5
        Quote: Simargl
        Quote: Undecim
        In the world (in the world!), About forty attacks of bears on people are recorded annually.
        This had to be said to the woman, who was lifted up by the bear in the summer. Not too far from the city.
        He walked around our dachas (not the one that pulled up). From the city 5 km, the dachas themselves are residential (a little less noisy than the city).
        -in 1944 after Stalingrad, the wolves almost ate my grandmother's girlfriend at the railway station. On the railway tracks between the cars - where even a person smells strongly of iron, oil and creosote ... Lucky - they knocked it down and started gnawing, but a shunting locomotive was walking by - the driver hummed, blew steam, scared away ... pulled out, she limped very much until old age ..
        multiplied in the Battle of Stalingrad (corpses in bulk) - and then there was nothing to eat, so they went to the outskirts of the Volga region. But the truth is that the locals quickly exhausted them - there were big bonuses from the collective farms in money and food + Zagotskot paid dearly for the skins + cartridges were given for the killed wolf + general honor and respect
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 17 November 2020 05: 05
          +4
          Quote: your1970
          multiplied at the Battle of Stalingrad
          Now the problem is different: not very smart and / or incompetent people are engaged in hunting grounds, farms and "resources". Well, the arms legislation is pumping.
          Even in the minimum 800 mm, you can shove a normal, not very heavy trunk (even a smooth one, albeit in a bullpup), but it can be worn by a mushroom hiker, because there are none.
    3. Fitter65
      Fitter65 17 November 2020 00: 24
      +6
      Quote: Undecim
      In the world (in the world!), About forty attacks of bears on people are recorded annually. Half of these attacks are defense by the female cubs. At the same time, the fatal outcomes of such meetings, oddly enough, are not so many. In the United States, no more than thirty people have died from bear attacks over the past ten years.

      I don't know how in the world, but here, in Khurba, a bear walked around the village, in 2018 and 2019. And not somewhere on the outskirts, but almost in the center ... Last year, only in the southern regions of the Khabarovsk Territory were two cases of bears attacking humans. In the village of Uktur last year, the bear walked, not far from the local hospital. Today, 200 meters from the Kun station, a bear flew in front of the hood of my Patriot, you cannot say otherwise, overcame the road in almost two jumps. So I don't know how it is in the USA, but we have glasses ...
      1. Bongo
        17 November 2020 03: 37
        11
        Quote: Fitter65

        I don't know how in the world, but here, in Khurba, a bear walked around the village, in 2018 and 2019. And not somewhere on the outskirts, but almost in the center ... Last year, only in the southern regions of the Khabarovsk Territory were two cases of bears attacking humans. In the village of Uktur last year, the bear walked, not far from the local hospital. Today, 200 meters from the Kun station, a bear flew in front of the hood of my Patriot, you cannot say otherwise, overcame the road in almost two jumps. So I don't know how it is in the USA, but we have glasses ...

        Hello, hello
        It is unlikely that we will convey the Far Eastern realities to those who live in the central part of the country. No. In October of this year, the father-in-law saw a bear walking down the street in the Severny Gorodok (Radio Center area) in the morning. Quite recently, an acquaintance who went to one to Mastovaya went missing. The car was found, but he is not. A couple of years ago, a nachkar disappeared on one of the BAM bridges. Three years ago, an acquaintance went to pick mushrooms in the vicinity of Gaiter. Still not found.
        1. Fitter65
          Fitter65 17 November 2020 12: 15
          +8
          Quote: Bongo
          Quite recently, an acquaintance who went to one to Mastovaya went missing. The car was found, but he is not.

          Hello Sergey! Yes Masttovaya has always been a paradise for bears. On one Bimilka in the course of chum salmon on the spits, several of them are assembled, I really would not have been on Bimilka for 13 years, but the upper reaches of the Masttova, where Tudur flows into it for two years, went until now the goldsmiths got up. There, by the way, if such an interesting "Kid" walks in the footsteps, a pair of my boots gets up in one track. By the way, this year, both in Tudur and Uktura, along the bank the bird cherry is all broken, and not in separate nickels, but in straight stripes - I ate the berry. On the way there are such black heaps ...
          Quote: Bongo
          It is unlikely that we will convey the Far Eastern realities to those who live in the central part of the country.

          Eo for sure, we will not report, at best we will be told what is on this issue in the United States. At worst, they'll shrug their shoulders. It's just that when you walk, and he just passed in front of you, a bunch still hovers, and from the weapon only a knife and firecrackers, at least to scare, because with a gun - you yourself know what problems may arise.
        2. Nexus 6
          Nexus 6 17 November 2020 17: 09
          +4
          You will report! Sorry, the photo was lost. I would ask you to distinguish whether it is a badger track, or a bear cub. Leningrad region, 40 km from St. Petersburg. Bears, they say, do not live with us. So ... they come in in the summer. What difference does it make to me? Traces of adults happen, come across. Well, something runs away on "soft paws" periodically. Definitely not a moose, I saw and heard them many times. Maybe a boar of course ... I have not encountered a boar, thank God, there are no "signatures" in my "database")
          1. Bongo
            18 November 2020 09: 45
            +7
            Quote: Nexus 6
            I would ask you to distinguish whether it is a badger track, or a bear cub.

            It is impossible to confuse them. even the smallest bear cub has a much larger hind paw. This is the footprint of a relatively small bear, three or four years old. Next to it is the footprint of the boot size 43.
            1. Nexus 6
              Nexus 6 18 November 2020 10: 12
              +3
              Thank you so much! Very useful information. In this case, with a palm size. Badger means. My daughter and I then decided not to tempt fate and quickly went to fish on another lake.
              "The Swedish forests are home to a huge number of animals of varying degrees of danger. The most famous are moose and wolves. But the Swedes are not afraid of them. The most fierce horror is caused by such cute creatures as badgers. The Swedes believe that if this wild animal bites a person, then will clench his jaw until the bone breaks. " laughing
              1. Bongo
                18 November 2020 10: 15
                +5
                Quote: Nexus 6
                Thank you so much! Very useful information. In this case, with a palm size. Badger means. My daughter and I then decided not to tempt fate and quickly went to fish on another lake.
                "The Swedish forests are home to a huge number of animals of varying degrees of danger. The most famous are moose and wolves. But the Swedes are not afraid of them. The most fierce horror is caused by such cute creatures as badgers. The Swedes believe that if this wild animal bites a person, then will clench his jaw until the bone breaks. " laughing

                I never heard that a badger would attack a person. We hunt him because of the fat, and the badger is very careful. I saw it a couple of times in the forest, but the beast ran away quickly.
                1. Nexus 6
                  Nexus 6 18 November 2020 10: 23
                  +5
                  I used to drink milk with badger fat as a child ... brrr, as I remember, I shudder) But! It really helps. I also have not heard of badger attacks. And I did not even suspect that we have them.
                  1. Bongo
                    18 November 2020 10: 31
                    +7
                    Quote: Nexus 6
                    I used to drink milk with badger fat as a child ... brrr, as I remember, I shudder) But! It really helps. I also have not heard of badger attacks. And I did not even suspect that we have them.

                    Bear fat is also considered medicinal. Bile is recommended for those with gastrointestinal problems. But bear meat should be eaten with caution. A very significant part of the animals is infected with trichenelosis, and this is extremely dangerous.
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 16 November 2020 18: 54
    -2
    "Killing bears is like killing children!" (C) ... Order, it is difficult to restore. Better to kill the bear. smile The manufacturer of the weapons mentioned in the article benefits from uncontrolled and total deforestation, which deprives animals of their habitats, barbaric salmon fishing leads to the fact that chum salmon and pink salmon do not reach the taiga rivers, and the animal cannot eat for wintering, illegal garbage dumps in the vicinity of villages attract hungry animals. And this is all the business mentioned in the comment. Fortunately, some shit, while others produce weapons for defense against bears.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 16 November 2020 19: 06
      +2
      "Killing bears is like killing children!"
      Recently, a story happened when some idiot killed a bear who was fishing ... he did not threaten or interfere with anyone (there is a video on the internet) ... and this one took and shot him ... it was so disgusting to watch it.
      Hope they get him a good fine with confiscation of weapons.
    2. Bongo
      17 November 2020 03: 40
      12
      Quote: parusnik
      Killing bears is like killing children! "(C) ... Order, it is difficult to restore.

      You shouldn't be like that. Most of those who go to the taiga are intelligent people. I had the opportunity to shoot a bear many times, but since there was no direct threat to me, I did not. And a person should have the possibility of self-defense.
  10. Pavel73
    Pavel73 16 November 2020 19: 15
    12
    And I have a slightly different question. Why can a powerful 12-gauge smoothbore be purchased immediately after obtaining the first license, but a small-bore rifled carbine for tiny 22 LR cartridges, wait five years? I'm not going to hunt, and my interest in weapons is purely sporting. Moreover, it is the bullet shooting that interests. But it is impossible to acquire a small thing. And this despite the fact that the shotgun is much more powerful and dangerous. Isn't it time to change the law on weapons in this part?
    1. Avior
      Avior 16 November 2020 20: 21
      12
      Not to mention the fact that the bullets of the rifled small pieces are registered in the cartridge case, but with the smoothbore there is a problem.
    2. Doctor
      Doctor 16 November 2020 20: 52
      12
      Why can a powerful 12 gauge smoothbore be purchased immediately after obtaining the first license, but a small-bore rifled carbine for tiny 22 LR cartridges, wait five years?

      Long range and accuracy.
      Suddenly you attach the optics and fix Chubais!)) laughing
      1. your1970
        your1970 16 November 2020 22: 48
        +3
        Quote: Arzt
        Long range and accuracy.
        Suddenly you attach the optics and fix Chubais!))
        - with the same success, the sight can be attached to 12 gauge - their range will be approximately the same
      2. Simargl
        Simargl 17 November 2020 14: 04
        +4
        Quote: Arzt
        Suddenly you attach the optics and fix Chubais!))
        Those. Buying a barrel for "solving Chubais" for 5 years of training, will you lose the desire to "resolve"? Or maybe it will strengthen?
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 17 November 2020 17: 45
          +3
          Those. Buying a barrel for "solving Chubais" for 5 years of training, will you lose the desire to "resolve"? Or maybe it will strengthen?

          In principle, I am about the authorities' concern for the long-barreled rifle.
          After Kennedy, they don't sleep well.
          There are many other ways though. wink
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 17 November 2020 18: 51
            +1
            Quote: Arzt
            After Kennedy, they don't sleep well.
            And, about that ... because OSV-96 can be bought for rifled ...
            1. your1970
              your1970 20 November 2020 20: 21
              +1
              Quote: Simargl
              Quote: Arzt
              After Kennedy, they don't sleep well.
              And, about that ... because OSV-96 can be bought for rifled ...
              -and also the Tiger (aha-aha !!), SKS and KO-44 ...
              I am silent about Lobaevsky "Twilight" - it can be bought ANY having 5 years and denyuzhkov ... any target within 5 km.... guaranteed on 1 km...a they are afraid of the "pistik" type
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 21 November 2020 06: 41
                +1
                Quote: your1970
                and also ... SCS
                SCS is generally small compared to ...
  11. bk0010
    bk0010 16 November 2020 19: 40
    +5
    2 KJ for a bear is already something, not on the spot, but also not easy to annoy. But 1.5-2.0 kg of the weight of a revolver is difficult even in the city, but here it is to walk through the forest with it.
    1. Avior
      Avior 16 November 2020 20: 18
      10
      Still 1.5 kg lighter than a gun or carbine
      And more compact.
  12. Avior
    Avior 16 November 2020 19: 54
    +3
    The problem of self-defense against attacks by wild animals - bears in the first place, perhaps, is worth solving, but it should not be confused with the problem of wearing a short-barreled, like the Ruger 101, of little use against a bear, but convenient for concealed carrying.
    Of the two cases of bear attack described, the short-barrel would have helped controversially - in one case it would not be charged, in the second it would hang outside the door, as in the article, and still have to fight off the bear with a pillow.
    It is good that in the second case, the bear was not caught in a circus, he would have grabbed a gun and stole a UAZ from the victim. smile
    I remember that according to the stories of Eagle and Reshka for protection from bears, in one case in Alaska the presenter had false flares to scare off bears, and in the other, in Spitsbergen, a carbine for rent upon presentation of a criminal record.
  13. MP
    MP 16 November 2020 19: 57
    +6
    An excellent article came out, but the author suddenly turned a little wrong. It was more necessary to focus not on the abundance of revolvers, but on the fact that such a cartridge is already being produced in Russia and, without being a hunting weapon, it will allow non-hunters to be safely in the forest or until the beginning of the hunting season. Our Duma could think of such a bill.
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 16 November 2020 20: 32
      +4
      Quote: Mpx
      It was more necessary to focus not on the abundance of revolvers, but on the fact that such a cartridge is already being produced in Russia and, without being a hunting weapon, it will allow non-hunters to be safely in the forest or until the beginning of the hunting season.
      Is it about 12,7x55mm?
      Will not allow.
      In the next version of the hunting laws, there will be a requirement to enter the game while the shot is flying, and here - in fact, legalized poaching.
      However, you can be obliged to register the use case and hand over the carcass ...
  14. Owl
    Owl 16 November 2020 19: 59
    14
    As long as the current Russian government is afraid of ordinary citizens of Russia, then, apart from award pistols for all deputies, members of the government and Kadyren's fellow tribesmen, there will be no other short-handed in the country.
    1. your1970
      your1970 16 November 2020 22: 54
      -5
      Quote: Eagle Owl
      While the current Russian government will be afraid of ordinary citizens of Russia,
      -that is, out of fear, apparently, he allows ordinary citizens to buy - Tiger (SVD), SKS, KO-44 (Mosin carbine) and all variations of Saiga (Kalashnikov) ???? well, well ...
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 16 November 2020 23: 27
        +4
        Quote: your1970
        allows ordinary citizens to buy

        Through an oversight. When they reach their hands, they will forbid.
        1. your1970
          your1970 16 November 2020 23: 33
          -1
          Quote: Cherry Nine
          Quote: your1970
          allows ordinary citizens to buy

          Through an oversight. When they reach their hands, they will forbid.
          -would like-would have been banned long ago ...
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 16 November 2020 23: 44
            +7
            Quote: your1970
            -would like-would have been banned long ago ...

            If they wanted to ban the Internet, they would.

            The dear legislator will not burst. Wait, hands will come to that. Now there really is a situation when a serious tool, some kind of .338 Lapua Magnum rifle with optics, goes like a rifled hunting, such as SKS. As it comes, they will be banned, and the SCS at the same time.
            1. your1970
              your1970 20 November 2020 20: 22
              0
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              How it comes - they will be banned,
              -Nonetheless- NOT prohibit ..... and Lobaev rifles too
              1. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine 20 November 2020 23: 04
                +1
                Well, you all at once. Be patient, I believe in the prohibitive potential of the Russian legislator.
      2. Owl
        Owl 17 November 2020 05: 57
        +5
        It is written in Russian: "no other short-barreled weapons", I do not even mention the long-barreled weapon that you mention.
  15. bbss
    bbss 16 November 2020 20: 05
    +8
    Legislators are far from "bearish corners" and from the problems of taiga people. You can't wash the dough from this resource.
  16. garri-lin
    garri-lin 16 November 2020 20: 23
    +1
    In any case, the revolver is a controversial solution to the problem. It will not be easy to operate a weapon intended for use with one hand in the conditions of the north. 12 caliber with a short barrel and comfortable forend will be preferable. The weight is not much more than a revolver, but more useful.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 18 November 2020 18: 12
      +4
      12 caliber with a short barrel and a comfortable forend would be preferable
      maybe then a magazine carbine (with a short barrel and 5 charges, the 6th in the barrel) under .45 LC with expansion, or 410 !?
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 18 November 2020 19: 12
        +2
        45 expansion from a long barrel can do anything and can. But I don't know 410. Not familiar with its effect on the target. But they will definitely be inferior to the 12 gauge. And the attacking bear must be brought down unambiguously. Bears are generally quite adequate. If he deems it necessary to miss the man, he will do it. And if he prefers to attack, he will hardly change his mind. Only kill.
  17. stroybat ZABVO
    stroybat ZABVO 16 November 2020 20: 38
    11
    Hi hi
    In Argentina, I have met cougars twice, walking in the Andes.
    The first time I was alone with my 5 year old daughter, the second time with my wife and I ...
    Well, I'm lame with arthritis ...
    I have a Taurus PT92 9mm ...
    Thank God I didn't have to use it, but it gave me confidence.
  18. Doctor
    Doctor 16 November 2020 20: 41
    +7
    Great article! Bravo!

    I rarely go with a company on long-distance fishing to potentially dangerous places.
    We take with us the Russian "Lupara" IZH-43KN.
    This is what is really possible in our conditions.
  19. KKND
    KKND 16 November 2020 21: 54
    +5
    It helps in part that representatives of official structures have a very developed instinct for self-preservation.

    Sergei! What have you done ?! You just revealed one of the main military secrets of Russia laughing laughing lol
    I laughed for five minutes! drinks
    As for the fact that citizens would be given the opportunity to take the initiative, to allow them to be more independent, I want to say in the Kremlin campaign began to understand that the slaves are simply ineffective.
    The booze from "Russian Spring" ends, a hangover sets in, people begin to understand that naked patriotism will not go far.
    We started working with young people, trying to develop the initiative in them. Well what can I say? Less than 100 years have passed.
    Maybe it will turn out that.
    On the other hand, in the 90s, people had some kind of freedom, and they began (I myself will now reveal the secret) practically sabotage in the country, as long as they begin to feed them again and wipe their snot.
    Let's hope for young people, and we ourselves would not fail.
    The article is great! Hello Olga!
    1. Bongo
      17 November 2020 03: 45
      11
      Quote: KKND
      Sergei! What have you done ?! You just revealed one of the main military secrets of Russia

      This is not a secret. Anyway, in the Far East, the majority of the population has a very negative attitude towards the central government. negative
      Quote: KKND
      The article is great! Hello Olga!

      Thanks! Hello to Olga! This I netting after duty, and she chops the loot.
      1. KKND
        KKND 17 November 2020 04: 09
        +3
        Sergei, there was a smell of fried, this very instinct woke up in them with tripled strength and they even started to think. Ugh, ugh, ugh, but maybe they will correct themselves? I only express my opinion, maybe I am wrong. request
        1. Bongo
          18 November 2020 09: 41
          +5
          Quote: KKND
          Ugh, ugh, ugh, but maybe they will correct themselves?

          I doubt it! No. Leopard change his spots.
          1. KKND
            KKND 18 November 2020 10: 08
            +3
            Sergei, according to the operation with Pavlensky, I can say that somewhere in the government there are clearly people from my institution, so apparently I am too optimistic and subjective. wassat
            Well, at least there are people like you. Russia is alive. Patience to you. hi
            1. Bongo
              18 November 2020 10: 18
              +4
              Quote: KKND
              Well, at least there are people like you. Russia is alive. Patience to you.

              You are clearly flattering me, I am far from ideal. In addition, I am already in my sixties, and more I associate the future of our country with the young.
              1. KKND
                KKND 18 November 2020 10: 30
                +3
                There, with young people, everything is very difficult because of American mass culture, she is very brainwashed now, on the other hand, there is a small hope that she will be initiative, fearless, and finally start working not for fear but for conscience. The Americans have greatly changed their collective consciousness with their information flows.
                On the third hand, without war and disease, there is a degradation of generations, and there have been no war and normal epidemics for more than 70 years. Now something is pecking but how many more years there are before the next selection, of course, no one will say. Maybe a little or maybe 70 more. Maybe it’s very good that you’ve already gone 6 dozen.
      2. faiver
        faiver 17 November 2020 19: 30
        +5
        Anyway, in the Far East, the majority of the population has a very negative attitude towards the central government.
        - it is what it is...
      3. Intruder
        Intruder 18 November 2020 18: 14
        +4
        Anyway, in the Far East, the majority of the population has a very negative attitude towards the central government.
        in Siberia, too, only here they "harness for a long time", somehow we look at Khabarovsk and scratch our turnips for now ... :)
  20. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
    Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 16 November 2020 22: 01
    10
    Yes, a powerful short-trunk in the forest is a dream! Recently, wolves have even begun to go out to the villages, and even in the fall. Leaving for the forest further from the city I take Saiga-12K, since the cruelty of our laws is significantly mitigated by the non-obligatoryness of their implementation (I am quoting. Not quite accurately, but the meaning is clear). And about control ... there are no madmen among the controlling people to single-handedly stick to a man with a weapon on his shoulder in the forest.
    1. faiver
      faiver 17 November 2020 19: 33
      +4
      there are no madmen among the controlling people to single-handedly stick to a man with a weapon on his shoulder in the forest
      - in Yakutia, these inspectors do not go one by one
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 18 November 2020 18: 16
      +5
      Leaving the forest further from the city I take Saiga-12K
      can we omit the details, where and with what, with whom and where !? And then the office writes and calculates ... bro :)
  21. Catfish
    Catfish 16 November 2020 23: 11
    13
    Thanks to the author! hi
    A very unexpected and interesting article.
    But all the wishes for a short trunk will remain only wishes. The power existing in Russia is afraid of its own people more than an external enemy. Well, in general, and rightly so, we have nothing to love her for.
    1. your1970
      your1970 17 November 2020 23: 56
      0
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Thanks to the author! hi
      The power existing in Russia is afraid of its own people more than an external enemy.
      -therefore, it allows the people to arm themselves with long-range versions of army weapons
      Quote: your1970
      Tiger (SVD), SKS, KO-44 (Mosin carbine) and all variations of Saiga (Kalashnikov)
      (with fairly affordable prices) ???
      I'm not talking about any Lapua Magnums at all
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 18 November 2020 00: 00
        +4
        Prefer to shoot from a long distance? laughing
        1. your1970
          your1970 18 November 2020 08: 09
          -4
          Quote: Sea Cat
          Prefer to shoot from a long distance? laughing

          What is chance approach with KSom at a shooting distance - so that start off to be afraid of her?
          In 1905, murderers came to the mayors and governors from the street, just from the street ...
          This allowed them to fire pistols / revolvers almost point-blank. For several years, about 11 000 civil servants, including high officials.
          That's when the power was afraid people with a pistol ... And even then - not really, restrictions on the sale of pistols were not introduced ...
          And the most anecdote turns out - if we recall the USSR, where the issue of the turnover of the KSA was not even discussed, in principle it was not discussed ...
          And the responsibility for illegal weapons was higher
          It turns out that the officials of the USSR were afraid of their own people much more-than the officials of the Russian Federation ?????? !!!!!!!!!!

          Our reality wildly surprised that in the United States, with 400 million weapons, there are no hundreds of thousands killed in the course of Negro riots and pogroms of shops ...
          Couch supporters of the Constitutional Court on VO already at least half of America's blacks would have shot, for the destruction of property, a threat to life, and so on. But no, the number of those killed remains at about the same level as in previous years ...
          An example of how a married couple, despite the broken gate on the estate and the invasion of private property, shone 4 years for - attention !!! barrels directed to the side bursting in is indicative.
          According to OUR ideas about the United States, there should have been a mountain of corpses and a complete justification of the couple for this. And they were tried ...
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 18 November 2020 12: 41
            +7
            It turns out that the officials of the USSR were afraid of their own people much more-than the officials of the Russian Federation ?????? !!!!!!!!!!

            Of course they were afraid, they even shot at him, at the people, I mean, Novocherkassk in 1962. And as for short barrels in those days, after the war thousands of them walked around the country and, if desired, it was possible to get it, which was done by those who needed it. And there were no problems at all with the purchase and sale of smooth-bore and rifling: you need a "small" - go to the store and buy, then it got worse.
            And with regard to an American married couple - this is in what state it was, after all, they have their own troubles.
            As for our current authorities, if they are not afraid of us, then a simple question arises, what is the reason for the almost annual tightening of the "law on weapons" and the obvious reluctance to sell short barrels to the public? Maybe they hold us for idiots - de we and a spoon pass our mouths and foolishly shoot ourselves?
            1. your1970
              your1970 18 November 2020 15: 29
              -2
              1) The word to get it is not equal to the word to legitimize. And in the USSR and now ... the Criminal Code regulates this problem
              2)
              Quote: Sea Cat
              attitude of an American couple
              - it doesn't matter in principle. If a US citizen with legal arms in hand is unable to defend his home and limited in this right just like a citizen of Russia - What is the cry about then? What nafig KSy ??? Whom will they save in such situations?
              3)
              Quote: Sea Cat
              they hold us for idiots
              You will laugh... 3 days ago in our city one driver tyrannulated another driver a bumper ... On a ten (not even on a prior) ... The red price of the entire conflict is 7 rubles ..
              The victim took a wrench out of the car and did not at all fear that the enemy had pistol a wrench (the favorite slogan of KSfilov) beat the person responsible for the accident in the head ... First, he knocked out his eye ...
              Today the victim was taken to the region, he may die ..
              In this situation, I feel sorry for the son of the attacker - the guy was going to the Ministry of Internal Affairs school next year. Now he is in any case in his father's flight record. Crippled son's life
              You idiots ???? !!! No?? !! From over 7000
              rubles to spoil everything and everyone ...
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 18 November 2020 16: 11
                +7
                Well, if one is guided by each and every one, then the whole of humanity will not go far.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 18 November 2020 19: 46
                  0
                  The trouble is that I only know about a dozen such bruised people on our street. If KS is allowed tomorrow, I will FORCED buy it, because I know that at least three of those ten will buy it ...
                  What actually happens in the USA ... They buy it not because they regularly carry mulienne money or rummage around the ghetto, but because inadequate people will have weapons. It is impossible to predict the actions of which ...
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 18 November 2020 19: 57
                    +3
                    Well, I have not been to the States, but I believe that there, as well as here, weapons are acquired for various reasons. And for me, it’s better to have it when, God forbid, it will be required than to be in a situation where "it is needed, but it is not." And p r and durk and always and everywhere were and will be, why not sell cars now?
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 18 November 2020 21: 39
                      -2
                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      weapons are acquired for various reasons.

                      There is only one reason for acquiring KSa - to be able to kill the enemy ...
                      All the rest are from the evil one
                      (athletes do not count - they have such a job)
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 18 November 2020 23: 21
                        +5
                        And what do you think should be done with the enemy, invite him to have dinner together and miss a hundred grams? laughing
                        And mind you, I was not using the word "enemy" here.
                      2. your1970
                        your1970 20 November 2020 07: 55
                        0
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        The victim took a wrench out of the car and, not at all fearing that the enemy had a pistol, a wrench (the favorite slogan of the KSfilov) beat the person responsible for the accident in the head ... First he knocked out his eye ...
                        Today the victim was taken to the region, he may die ..

                        While alive ... no eyes - heavy bodily ...
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        and always and everywhere were and will be, why not sell cars now?
                        - the problem is that in this particular situation there was a completely peaceful way out - OSAGO, invented precisely to exclude such quirks.
                        The most offensive thing is that the attacker, in general, is quite a quiet and peaceful man .. There was..
                        Apparently it jumped ... Now there will be a criminal and possibly a murderer ...
                      3. Catfish
                        Catfish 20 November 2020 12: 50
                        +5
                        Sergei, well, you understand that this is a special case. They constantly happen, people are sent to a better world even with the help of a frying pan, and this is doubly insulting. laughing
                        In the Bikin tank training, the guard returned to the barracks late in the evening, the company was already asleep in its bunks, one of them took an AKM and fanned out from his hip along the lower row of bunks. 13 people ... Well, the sergeant (he is in his third year) was not at a loss, snatched the machine gun from the young man and crossed it from the ass to the shoulder straight from the room. As a result - already 14.
                        But for all the incomplete three years of service, this was the only case. In other parts there were a pair of crossbows with a lethal outcome, but this is their own business and God is their judge.
                      4. your1970
                        your1970 20 November 2020 14: 36
                        0
                        The number of people - who do not care about the rules of the hostel, but at the same time a wild PSV - is growing at a frantic pace ..
                        When I wrote an article about KS, then I read the laws of the Baltic states on arms ( Horse and Ludwig pushed me to study the issue) ...
                        You cannot threaten them with a pistol, just get it, shoot if the attack stops, carry it with you in a heap of places .. A criminal offense, however ... No options ...
                        According to the comments on my article - I counted 32 (!!!!!!!!!!!!!) a potential criminal if it happened there ... Starting from “Finish it off!” through “I would wear it everywhere!” to “Yes, they’ll slap your wife, but you won’t say a word to them” .... This is in the bulk serious adults ...
                        Why are there weapons ... Everyone knows - you can't be drunk behind the wheel, 100% of the population ..
                        Crashed, killed, imprisoned, deprived of their rights ... No...
                        Daily(!!!!) in our city (small !!!!! over 20) from 000 to 3 people are deprived of their rights. There are up to 7 people ... Every day ..
                        Broken, torn, with guts on pillars, burnt, mutilated ... Do not stop the following ...
                      5. Catfish
                        Catfish 20 November 2020 15: 34
                        +5
                        By the way, Sergey, do you know where our Ludovede disappeared? We corresponded with him in a personal, and then he suddenly disappeared, and there was no answer, no greetings, and I have no mail.
                      6. your1970
                        your1970 20 November 2020 16: 06
                        +1
                        No, alas. There were very interesting comments, without distortions to extremes
                        Many have left, which is a pity ...
                      7. Catfish
                        Catfish 20 November 2020 16: 11
                        +4
                        He doesn't answer at all, I don't want to think about the worst ...
                      8. your1970
                        your1970 20 November 2020 20: 14
                        +2
                        banned for good - I think so ..
                        I am quiet and peaceful - with three warnings ... and sometimes I want to leave
                      9. Catfish
                        Catfish 20 November 2020 22: 34
                        +4
                        So there was nothing to ban him for, the man was quite correct. And if you want, you can always return, you know.
                      10. your1970
                        your1970 20 November 2020 23: 41
                        +1
                        All sorts of options can be
            2. Simargl
              Simargl 21 November 2020 07: 29
              +1
              Quote: your1970
              When I wrote an article about the KS, then I read the laws of the Baltic states on arms (Horse and peopleаоVed pushed to study the issue) ...
              You would have read ours for rubber nozzles: the use is not a shot in the air (which, in fact, is prohibited by the requirement to shoot only at a clearly visible target and the exclusion of the possibility of hitting third parties), but extraction (not even in the direction of the threat) from the holster.
  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 16 November 2020 23: 54
    +5
    Didn't expect to see Sergey's article about revolvers. B-52 cannot be shot down from this No.

    And under the creature - cool toys (and the legalization of the short-barreled in the PRB is necessary), but the bears were probably dragged into this in vain. If we talk about bears, then first of all the problem is this
    According to the current legislation, being in the taiga with a weapon outside the hunting season or without an open voucher-license for hunting birds or animals is automatically considered poaching and leads to the seizure of weapons and a large fine.

    In Russia, the right to arms does not imply the right to carry them openly. This needs to be changed (again, in the PRB, not in real Russia), regardless of the legalization of short-barrels. Note that open wearing is contested even in the US, so it's not easy to do.

    Secondly (and this is much less important), smoothbore restrictions should be relaxed to legalize lighter weapons, up to such


    And 12,7 revolvers are already so, for the soul.
    1. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 17 November 2020 00: 35
      +3
      My opinion. In the case of "self-defense against the bear" ...
      Lupara
      Lupara - small size, two charges (in case of a misfire or "miss"), in the forest (taiga) among the trees, range is not needed. "Bear revolvers" are needed in the forest to defend against "empty bottles" ...
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 17 November 2020 00: 41
        +3
        Quote: cat Rusich
        Lupara - small size, two charges

        Yes, something like. In the pump above there are 2 rounds in the magazine, one in the barrel.
        1. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 17 November 2020 19: 55
          +2
          Quote: Cherry Nine
          2 rounds in the magazine, one in the barrel.
          The question is - Who is faster ...
          On the second or THIRD still need a shot Recharges... The bear WILL NOT wait sad (from a double-barreled gun it is possible to shoot doublet point-blank - in case when to "Michal Ivanovich" - "stretch out your hand"). In the case of a "confident choice of pump", today in Russia we have, for example, IZH-81K
          Izh-81k
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 18 November 2020 00: 18
            +5
            Quote: cat Rusich
            today in Russia we have for example IZH-81K

            Uh-huh. Only, as far as I understand, the photo is not an IZH-81K, but an illegal sawn-off shotgun, unlike the factory Serbu SUPER-SHORTY above. I won't start holivar about double-barreled pumps, you want a lupar - your right (in the Beautiful Russia of the Future).
    2. Bongo
      17 November 2020 03: 48
      12
      Quote: Cherry Nine
      Didn't expect to see Sergey's article about revolvers. B-52 cannot be shot down from this

      What is called "painful" ... By and large, not about revolvers, but about the ability of citizens to protect themselves. Several years ago, in one of the taiga villages, there was a case when a bear broke into a house and attacked a woman. A neighbor came running to help and shot the beast with a legal carbine. Subsequently, the man's carbine was seized, and a case was opened against him for shooting in the village.
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 17 November 2020 08: 58
        +6
        Quote: Bongo
        By and large, not about revolvers, but the ability of citizens to defend themselves ... the carbine was seized, and a case was opened against it for shooting in the village

        )))
        Again trying to drag through sedition.
        Yes, in Russia, as a rule, bears are not the problem.
  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 17 November 2020 00: 09
    +7
    Limuri ... Nice river, but I really go to Uktur, from time to time we also run into the owner, though it was nose to nose a couple of times. Several times I was offered to go to Limouri, but somehow it didn't work out ...

    On the road to Kema. Well, this is already on the mustache Uktur


    1. Bongo
      17 November 2020 03: 50
      +9
      Quote: Fitter65
      Limuri ... Nice river, but I really go to Uktur, from time to time we also run into the owner, though it was nose to nose a couple of times.

      It is too crowded in Uktura, and the river is too crowded. On Limuryi, grayling is much larger, there are large lenoks, and in general there are more fish. And in winter we go to Beachy, the taimen is still there.
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 17 November 2020 12: 01
        +4
        Quote: Bongo
        It is too crowded in Uktura, and the river is too crowded. On Limuryi, grayling is much larger, there are large lenoks, and in general there are more fish.

        In the Upper Uktura it is normal, and grayling with lenoks is also valid. About Lemuri, a month ago it already turns out that one "business executive" piled soil on the road in one place, and dug up another. At my partner's, we go fishing, a neighbor in the garage got into this mess ...
        1. Bongo
          17 November 2020 15: 45
          +4
          Quote: Fitter65
          In the Upper Uktura, it is normal, and grayling with lenoks is also valid

          Well, it means I was unlucky, or I am strong request spoiled.
          Quote: Fitter65
          About Lemuri, a month ago it already turns out that one "business executive" piled soil on the road in one place, and dug up another.

          I know this "business executive", he pretends to be a lot and the tsar poses.
          Quote: Fitter65
          At my partner's, we go fishing, a neighbor in the garage got into this mess ...

          I got it too ... but it was the "light version", only heaps. It took me an hour to work with a shovel to get through. There is still a road from Kiselevka to Limuri, but it is necessary to cross the Amur from Zimmermanovka and negotiate with the locals that they would throw it up to the river. We once rafted down Limouri in early October for 10 days. It was a fairy tale ...
          1. Fitter65
            Fitter65 17 November 2020 17: 01
            +3
            Quote: Bongo
            There is still a road to Limuri from Kiselyovka,

            Here, through Kiselyovka, they suggested to me for a long time to go, then somehow they were going to go through Boktor, but I went further Alcohol laughing laughing , did not go to that area. And the alloy also does not grow together. A neighbor in the garage in October went down Jaur twice, last time on November 5, they reached Gur, and the guru already says the sludge has gone ... But now we also successfully went to Uktur for three days at the end of October, we got they took away the soul all year ... good
  • asura
    asura 17 November 2020 00: 36
    +8
    A long time ago, the Hansa forum made a collection of documented cases of defense against a bear with a short-barrel. Quite to themselves, people fought back, even without using monstrous calibers. From memory: of the common calibers, the colts chambered for .45ACP (the heavy bullet decides) proved to be relatively good, from ours - Stechkin when firing bursts. In the west, the people even fought back with Glocks 9-mm. It is clear that there were also unsuccessful defense cases, but this is still better than nothing.
    1. Mooh
      Mooh 17 November 2020 02: 43
      +5
      I am 100% sure that I read about polar explorers who shot a polar bear with something nagano-like.
      1. Pushkowed
        Pushkowed 17 November 2020 12: 52
        +7
        Cartridge 7,62x25 TT / 7,63 Mauser: 30 cases, of which 18 were completely successful (the self-defender was not injured), 6 partially successful (survived, but was wounded), 6 unsuccessful (died). Efficiency (chance to survive) = 80%.

        Cartridge 7,62 Nagant: 38 cases (18/10/10). Efficiency = 74%. Insufficient penetration power against the skull, more effective against the chest and neck of the bear.

        Cartridge 9x18 PM, pistol PM: 26 cases (13/7/6). Efficiency = 77%. Also problems with the skull, but not as severe as the revolver.

        Cartridge 9x18 PM, pistol APS: 2 cases (2/0/0), incl. 1 - in a queue. Efficiency = 100%. Small sample.

        7,65mm Browning cartridge: 17 cases (6/5/6). Efficiency = 65%. These were low-power versions of cartridges from the 1st half of the XNUMXth century; modern ones are more powerful.

        Cartridge 9x19 Luger: 17 cases (10/4/3). Efficiency = 82%. And this, too, with cartridges of old samples.

        6,35mm Browning cartridge: 12 cases (3/2/7). Efficiency = 42%. Sadness.

        45 ACP cartridge: 9 cases (7/2/0). Efficiency = 100%. Small sample.

        In total: 151 cases (77/36/38). Efficiency = 75%.

        Source and details: https://forum.guns.ru/forum_light_message/14/000704.html
      2. Free wind
        Free wind 18 November 2020 08: 34
        0
        I read that they killed the bear with a blow to the forehead with a pistol, but it seems generally from the realm of fantasy.
  • Mooh
    Mooh 17 November 2020 01: 04
    +3
    I read it with great interest, although I saw a bear only in the zoo. We only have moose and occasionally wild boars.
    After reading, the question remained: are there effective means to scare away bears? Pyrotechnics, pneumatic tubes, any chemistry? Or a bell and no options?
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 17 November 2020 01: 57
      +5
      Are there any effective means of repelling bears?
      Flash grenade "Zarya" or "Vzlyot-M". No bear can resist.
      1. Mooh
        Mooh 17 November 2020 02: 39
        +5
        good And something not on the list of special equipment? Please do not offer the howitzer, there is no license and it is difficult to carry.
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 17 November 2020 10: 22
          +2
          And something not on the list of special equipment?
          You can try to buy a flare gun, but there are nuances with legislation and prices. Or "hunter signal".
          1. Mooh
            Mooh 17 November 2020 13: 33
            +3
            Oh, I have it. Where to shoot? Into the air, into the bear, into the ground in front of him?
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 17 November 2020 14: 05
              +5
              Taking into account the fact that it will not work to kill on the spot neither with a rocket launcher nor even more so with a "signal", it is better to air in the direction of the bear. Otherwise, the slightly pushed bear may be offended.
              1. Mooh
                Mooh 17 November 2020 16: 40
                +3
                Thank you, I will keep in mind that it is better not to advance to bear-hazardous areas without missiles. I hope there is no need to check the effectiveness, otherwise I am not sure that the bear will be scared of one shot.
                There would be an opportunity to experiment, I would try something from the fans' arsenal, pneumatic tubes, fires, smokes. But better not on yourself.
                1. Undecim
                  Undecim 17 November 2020 17: 45
                  +3
                  The flare, in theory, should frighten the bear.
                  1. Mooh
                    Mooh 17 November 2020 17: 58
                    +4
                    In theory, it should, and the rocket, in theory, should, but how it will be in reality is a question. One person waved his pillow away, but someone did not help the carbine.
                    1. Undecim
                      Undecim 17 November 2020 18: 01
                      +4
                      I knew a man who swore that he had scared off the lion with the morning fumes. It's a matter of chance. Whoever is written to be eaten by a bear will be eaten.
                    2. zyablik.olga
                      zyablik.olga 18 November 2020 00: 21
                      +3
                      Quote: MooH
                      One person waved his pillow away, but someone did not help the carbine.

                      A burning pillow .... and then the bear still hooked him.
                      1. Mooh
                        Mooh 18 November 2020 12: 22
                        +4
                        Olga, thanks to the article I read. It's probably not about what kind of pillow, but what kind of person. In a critical situation, he immediately reacted, came up with a non-standard way out, managed to complete it, and then walked 8 km with a serious wound. This is not given to everyone. Or maybe Victor is right here, the fact is that his fate is different.
      2. Simargl
        Simargl 21 November 2020 07: 42
        0
        Quote: Undecim
        Flash grenade "Zarya" or "Vzlyot-M". No bear can resist.
        And if experienced (second time)?
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 20 November 2020 19: 30
      +3
      We bought flares. Fortunately, I didn't have to use it. A she-bear with cubs ran across right in front of the UAZ. The smell was many where, but only just.
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 17 November 2020 01: 24
    -3
    1. It is quite obvious that 99% of applicants need a short-barrel to satisfy various complexes. But I am not saying that this is bad, everyone has the right to satisfy anything, if he does not interfere with others.
    2. Nobody in this country will distribute pistols to the plebs. Either a rezinostrel, or be a cop / deputy / rich (you don't need to talk about awards, right?).
    3. We can break spears on the Internet to the point where there are no decision-makers.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 17 November 2020 04: 36
    +8
    Of course there are a lot of bears. And there are few hunters for him. Firstly, the license for him is very expensive, and it's dangerous to eat meat. Bears have nothing to eat in the forest, they used to feed on oats around the villages, and you can't eat much on raspberries and anthills. Only now they nailed the clubfoot, do not spread it on the Internet, otherwise our city lovers of living creatures have grown like mud, they immediately raise a squeal. Remember somewhere in Chukotka a polar bear climbed into the house. they scared him off with flare launchers. so howling was that the poor bear was mocked. But taimen is a Red Book fish.
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 17 November 2020 12: 21
      0
      Quote: Free Wind
      Bears have nothing to eat in the forest, they used to feed on oats around the villages, and you can't eat much on raspberries and anthills. Only now they nailed the clubfoot, to the intern


      They are very positive about the fish. Yes, and rabbits this year were to hell. We ran straight along the roads in broad daylight. We often came across. We were openly ignored. Moose all in the district have been shot. On the one hand, it's a pity. And on the other - well, nafig to meet him in the forest. Worse than a bear.
    2. Bongo
      17 November 2020 15: 48
      +7
      Quote: Free Wind
      But taimen is a Red Book fish.

      Like lenok and grayling. But tell me, in all honesty, is it really impossible to catch this fish for people living (and often surviving) in remote areas?
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 17 November 2020 17: 13
        0
        feelings are twofold. More precisely, I don't even know. From the 6th grade at the end of the summer on the sea, I worked as a fisherman in my uncle's brigade. I was happy when they caught a 600 kilogram beluga, but it was a pity. He worked at a broomstick. Barkas engine - CHA-4 with a self-propelled gun attached to it, from which a two-kilometer seine is lowered. The men did not complain about my work.
      2. Fitter65
        Fitter65 17 November 2020 17: 21
        +6
        Quote: Bongo
        Quote: Free Wind
        But taimen is a Red Book fish.

        Like lenok and grayling. But tell me, in all honesty, is it really impossible to catch this fish for people living (and often surviving) in remote areas?

        Yes, in general, fishing of the above listed species is allowed, except for the spawning period from April 20 to June 20. fishing is also prohibited in fishery reserves, of course in nature reserves and national parks. The only interesting nuance during spawning of other fish species (various salmonids) is prohibited on the rivers of the Khabarovsk Territory. And here is such a joke, interesting, I just had the imprudence in 2019 to get caught with a fishing rod, they were penalized for 2000 for being on the river during the spawning period of chum salmon (October). there was no talk about the caught grayling. So, I got into a conversation with the inspectors where and how you can fish during the spawning period of these salmon, and after June 15, summer pink salmon start spawning, then chum salmon, well, in short, during the spawning period, it is impossible to stay on spawning rivers. good And then the moment. lists the rivers of the Komsomolsk region where fishing is prohibited, Gur with tributaries, Masttovaya with tributaries, Shelekhovka, Gorin with tributaries, Sandinskaya channel with tributaries (hello to the Khurbinks), only Silinka and Tsurkul remained allowed. EVERYTHING!!!! Fishing on the above-mentioned rivers without restrictions on permitted tackle is allowed from 1 NOVEMBER to 20 April. That is, we are immediately appointed poachers. I found out where you can buy a license, purchase a fishing permit in this period, but there is no such thing. Either sit at home, or if you came out with a fishing rod, then don't get hooked. By the way, in May-June, it is prohibited to catch crucian carp on the rivers and lakes of the Komsmolsky district, a fine for one crucian carp was 250 rubles. This is me talking about fishing rods, nets, "TVs", and other similar means of fishing, I do not use ... So here we can fish with a simple fishing rod in one hook.
  • Nikolay R-PM
    Nikolay R-PM 17 November 2020 06: 11
    +3
    Sergey, hello. or am I inattentive and did not notice your publication on this topic, or do you cover a new topic? Leaving aside all the ecclnomic, legal and ethical aspects raised in the comments, I read with interest about domestic samples.
    1. Bongo
      17 November 2020 16: 02
      +5
      Quote: Nikolai R-PM
      Sergey, hello. or am I inattentive and did not notice your publication on this topic, or do you cover a new topic? Leaving aside all the ecclnomic, legal and ethical aspects raised in the comments, I read with interest about domestic samples.

      Hello, Nikolay!
      I love firearms, I have a small arsenal at home, but I refrain from writing about them. Since I cannot say anything new or original on this topic. This article is devoted primarily to the human right to self-defense, and it does not matter from animals moving on four or two legs.
      In one of the comments, they talked about the fact that people should not be given weapons because:
      shooting from something at a bear accidentally encountered in the forest is a dubious undertaking in every sense

      I don't know, apparently everyone judges by himself. I had moments when I met bears and wild boars while being armed. But since they did not threaten me, I did not shoot. Once we were together with Olya.
  • Pushkowed
    Pushkowed 17 November 2020 09: 32
    +7
    You can read about the American anti-bear experience in the primary source (in English):
    https://www.ammoland.com/2019/08/handgun-or-pistol-defense-against-bear-attack-73-cases-96-effective/#axzz6e1wDJIn2

    In short:
    73 cases, of which only 3 failed (.22LR, .38 and .357 Mag).
    An analysis of all these cases is presented (situation, caliber, bear breed, etc.)
    .44 Mag - rules.
    But pistol cartridges (including even 9x17 and 9x18 Makarov) work well.
    Even the little thing is not completely useless (4 successful cases with 1 fail).
  • ermak124.0
    ermak124.0 17 November 2020 17: 32
    +4
    Shit, but never give the go-ahead for the short-barreled turnover. The smooth long trunk has already turned into a burden, and this ... Only to dream.
    1. your1970
      your1970 18 November 2020 10: 08
      0
      Quote: ermak124.0
      Shit, but never give the go-ahead for short-barreled turnover.

      In the people's USSR - without bureaucrats, oligarchs and corrupt officials - the question of KSakh was not even discussed - in principle. The USSR was also afraid of the people ???
  • faiver
    faiver 17 November 2020 19: 55
    +3
    Sergey, plus the article good
  • aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 18 November 2020 07: 23
    0
    Quote: zyablik.olga
    Quote: aleks neym_2
    I am interested in: and with "DaShka ​​Mona to walk in the taiga?"

    You, like mona ... yes

    I have a DaShka ​​on T-54: I'm afraid to damage the grass-ant ...
    1. Toucan
      Toucan 18 November 2020 09: 13
      0
      Where else are the T-54s on the move?
      1. aleks neym_2
        aleks neym_2 18 November 2020 21: 37
        0
        If you really, really need it, I'll give you the address. Only one condition: not a word to anyone and pickup! (It seems that there are 3 pieces left, otherwise the Ukrainians will rake in for modernization)
      2. Simargl
        Simargl 21 November 2020 07: 51
        0
        Quote: Tucan
        Where else are the T-54s on the move?
        atvtank.ru/catalog/Sovetskie_i_rossijskie_tanki_73/Tank_T-54b_333.html
  • Tests
    Tests 18 November 2020 17: 32
    +4
    sergo1914 (Sergey), dear, Arkhangelsk brown bears are more peaceful towards humans than those that live in the Far East. I understand that you know the vicinity of Severodvinsk well. In Rikasiha, in the late 80s, early 90s, a bear scalped a woman while picking raspberries. Moreover, not a she-bear with small cubs, but a bear. I understand that both from the poultry farm, and from the village, and from the anti-aircraft gunners, the animals in the landfills received tasty food, they were not afraid of people ... At the cemetery of Severodvinsk, Mironov Mountain of the bear - a corpse-eater, remember in the fall of 2017? But he was not killed in 2017, they killed a bear at SNT "Hemp". The corpse eater was shot only in August 2018, a male of five to six years old, weighing 180-200 kg. It is good that in the summer of 2018 from summer residents or visitors to the cemetery did not pick up ... So our peaceful Arkhangelsk brown bears are animals, what is on their minds is not clear ...
    In September of this year in Moscow, in the circus of the Zapashny brothers on Vernadsky Avenue, a bear killed a young man that he had been courting for more than one year ...
  • CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 18 November 2020 17: 35
    +1
    U menia S&W 357 Mag 6 "s patronami" critical defense "Vpolne khvataet na vse sluchayi s medvedem Okhochu 30 let.
    1. Rusty General
      Rusty General 20 November 2020 09: 34
      +6
      Oh, kay.
      Option 1.
      Here is the situation: a citizen is walking away from a hunt, a Saiga-20K in a case, bullet cartridges in a store, a store in his pocket. He sees a woman being bullied by a bear on a country road near the village. Distance 10 meters. You can come closer to be sure. Realizing that he has no money for unintentional extraction, what should he do?
      1) Try to shoot a bear (you will have to take out a loan for unintentional prey).
      2) Try to scare off the bear with shots.
      3) Go to the village for help.
      Option 2.
      A police officer leaves a hunt in his own time, the conditions are the same. What to do?
      1) Shoot a bear, because the policeman is an example to all people. In addition, he is obliged to suppress violations and help us citizens at any time.
      2) Scare with shots.
      3) Shout - "Hold on, aunt, I am right now", rush for help.
      Option 3.
      Police officer on duty. Looking for a missing person in the forest. Of course, a service weapon with him.
      The situation is the same as above. What to do?
      1) Calmly shoot the cannibal.
      2) Make a precautionary point, and then in case of aggressive behavior, point №1.
      3) Call for reinforcements on the radio, and take a position in the bushes nearby.
      Option 4.
      The bear is eating the aunt. She has no weapons with her. A basket of mushrooms overturned by a matrah at ten.
      And as luck would have it, there is no one nearby, no police, no citizens.
      Some kind of stick falls under the arm. Pokes it (with this stick) at random and hits the predator directly in the eye.
      He growls and runs away. A couple of minutes later a huntsman walks by.
      -Hello aunt. Do you know who gouged out the bear's eye?
      - So me, who else. Self-defense. He's over there - he ate half of my leg.
      - I'll call an ambulance now, but the bear is dead. There lies ten meters in a ditch. Right now, let's draw up a protocol about unintentional prey ...

      The question is - how will her action be qualified, and will she have to pay money for the bear?
      And how should all of the above citizens act in this case?