Lessons from Karabakh. Russia is not ready for war

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The war is inexorably approaching Russia. Unfortunately, we can confidently say that the country and the people are not ready for war. The Kremlin hides and runs from any conflict, as it feels its weakness in the absence of unity of power, the leading party and the people.

Lessons from Armenia


Stepanakert and Yerevan clearly overestimated their strengths, which was the reason for the defeat in the new Karabakh war. Under the previous scenario, Azerbaijan against Armenia, even with a certain superiority of Baku in technology and weapons, The Karabakh problem could not be solved by force of arms. The Karabakh clan in Armenia, the war veterans were confident that they would “be able to repeat” the previous victory. Yerevan is accustomed to living in conditions of "stability": no peace, no war. Didn't notice that the world has changed. They did not expect that Turkey would so brazenly and openly break into the zone of Russian interests. And Transcaucasia (even after the collapse of the USSR, taking into account the three centuries of Russian struggle for peace in the region) was our sphere of influence.



However, the world has changed a lot and continues to change rapidly. Erdogan is building a new Ottoman empire, where the Caucasus is the sphere of interests of Turkey, as well as the countries of the Middle East, North Africa, and the Balkans. Now the republics of Turkestan. On the way, Crimea (fortunately, Ankara did not recognize Crimea as Russian), the Russian North Caucasus and the Volga region. The Kremlin, despite its patriotic propaganda and "victories" on TV, is retreating. Even the Russian Donbass, not to mention the ancient Russian capital Kiev, is not recognized as part of the Russian world (civilization).

Istanbul supported Baku, in fact, made it a vassal. With its Air Force, which covered the airspace of Azerbaijan, advanced methods of warfare (Drones), worked out in Syria and Libya, advisers and staff members, special forces, pro-Turkish militants deployed from the Middle East. Turkey came to the Caucasus again. And it is quickly being mastered - a gas corridor to the Caspian Sea and further to Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan. Transport corridor Baku-Tbilisi-Kars. The new Turkish empire is becoming a gas hub and logistics power, connecting ports to railways, increasing the capacity of the transport infrastructure of Georgia, Azerbaijan and Turkey. Aiming at the Caspian.

In Yerevan, they missed all this and received a heavy defeat, hurting national pride and creating a great threat to the Armenian people in the Caucasus. The catastrophe of a century ago was repeated, when the Turks defeated Armenia (How Turkey attacked Armenia; H. 2). At the same time, not only the Armenian military-political leadership, Pashinyan, but the entire people are to blame. In words, the Armenians all over the world and in Russia (in Armenia itself - 3 million people, in Russia - 1,5 million people, around the world - over 12 million people) demanded a blitzkrieg, victory over Azerbaijan and Turkey. But in reality, everything was limited to jingoistic hysteria. Yerevan, when a clear superiority of the enemy at the front became evident, did not dare to fight to the end, to fight to the death. The war showed the lack of unity of the Armenian political elite, various parties and people. Only split and discord.

Armenians from Russia and other countries did not go to fight for their historical lands did not start raising funds for the war (Armenian communities around the world have great financial opportunities). They preferred to look for the guilty - Pashinyan (who, of course, is guilty, but not alone), Russia and the Russians. Although Russia did not betray them. The Armenians themselves fell for the slogans of the nationalists about "Great Armenia" and ran into a grievous defeat. The Armenians who moved to Russia, Europe, the USA and Canada showed their love for their homeland only in words. In fact, their own well-being, primarily material well-being, comes first. They do not want to die for Karabakh and Armenia. Only a small part of the Armenians at that time showed their readiness to go to the front line and fight for their homeland (honor and praise for them). Others at this time held meetings and "fought" in the network. In general - woe to the vanquished.

Lessons for Russia


As noted above, Turkey has again burst into the former sphere of our influence. Three hundred years of military-political efforts and a lot of blood of the Russian people in the Caucasus - the Kremlin "bargained" for three decades.

In fact, now Russia finds itself in the situation of 1904 and 1914. Shameful failures in the war with Japan. The heroism of Russian soldiers and sailors did not evoke any positive response in Russian society, on the contrary, among the students, only criticism. Hurray-patriotic frenzy at the beginning of the war with Germany, and then the complete collapse and disintegration of Russian society. Military failures triggered the collapse of the empire. The soldiers and officers still fought steadily and courageously, took heavy blows and beat the enemy themselves, while the generals and "high society" were already intriguing against the autocracy. The result was the betrayal of the "elite" in February 1917, the state and civilizational collapse, bloody Troubles and intervention. Parade of sovereignty.

Today everything is repeated. The lessons of history are not learned. There is no project for the future of the country. Material well-being according to Western standards is satisfied only by a small percentage of the population. The masses of the people are busy only with survival, caring for their daily bread and family. At the same time, life is steadily deteriorating. In all areas - the economy, incomes of the population, the already obvious disaster of schools and health care, the physical and mental health of the nation. Extinction of the people. The state management system, especially against the backdrop of the "pandemic", sank sharply. There is no unity of the country's leadership, the party in power and the people. And it cannot be, since social injustice in the Russian Federation has reached unprecedented heights. Officials and deputies can talk about patriotism, with salaries and incomes in the hundreds of thousands and millions of rubles (and some have whole "kamaz" of money and values). And ordinary pensioners and teachers survive on pensions and salaries of 12–20 thousand rubles.

Thus, there is no unity between the authorities and the people, as in 1941. We are on the brink of war with the new Turkish empire, behind which (as before) is the West (in particular, Britain). The first shots have already fired in Syria, Libya and the Caucasus. Turkey is aiming further: the Caspian Sea, historical Turkestan, the North Caucasus, then the Crimea and the Volga region. At the same time, NATO is preparing bridgeheads in the western strategic direction. In fact, everything is simple. The law of the jungle rules in world politics. "Human rights", "democracy", humanism and pacifism are tools for destroying the enemy. Under the thunder of beautiful slogans they destroy competitors. The strongest survives. Now the Russian Federation is showing weakness. Both regional and global predators see it.

Russia is not ready for war. V.V. Putin has been avoiding confrontation for 20 years. When the Kremlin is forced into war - Georgia (2008), Ukraine (2014), Syria (2015), it tries to “settle”, “stabilize” the situation. There is no victory, just as there is no obvious defeat. At the exit, we get zones, "fronts" where the problem is not solved, but only postponed. As in Donbass, in Ukraine as a whole. Now also in Karabakh. Moscow, culturally and financially and economically dependent on the West, cannot withstand the consistent expansion into our historical sphere of influence. Russia is "ready" for war only in words and TV pictures. Therefore, the Kremlin is fleeing any confrontation. Makes a beautiful face and retreats ...
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  1. +7
    16 November 2020 15: 05
    With such "rulers" Russia is not ready for anything. Unless only for the sale of the latter.
    1. +83
      16 November 2020 15: 07
      Well, if you and the author get off the couch in the front rows of those going to the front and sit in the trenches, then Russia will win all.
      1. -30
        16 November 2020 15: 10
        Your words sound like a call for the violent overthrow of "power". You would be more careful.
        1. +2
          16 November 2020 15: 13
          I'll take care. I hope when you defeat all the enemies, the euphoria will turn your head and you will not remember me.
          1. -32
            16 November 2020 15: 18
            He would get up from the couch like the one who fled to Ukraine, then his type was shot, but it turned out to be just a provocation of the SBU, I don't remember his last name (either Panchenko or Babchenko), but he promised to return to Moscow on the Abrams and no one needed anyone, blogger liberal with some kind of ng hi lol
            1. -3
              16 November 2020 15: 29
              Golovan, "buddy", you haven't changed at all. As in a joke about flowers on a grave.
          2. +35
            16 November 2020 15: 24
            Milka, but I don't need euphoria about the sofa. I have already won mine. Therefore, I have a clear idea of ​​what fighting is. Unlike "victorious" and "kukuryaku".
            1. +15
              16 November 2020 15: 29
              Milka, imagine that I too. Therefore, you need to think with your head before starting a war.
              1. +28
                16 November 2020 15: 34
                Are you, excuse me, "wounded on the Kolchak fronts"? Where did you see me calling for war? It is in your ranks of "turbopatriots" that everything is "wet" dreaming of "# we can repeat" and "# all the peace". I am just stating the obvious.
                1. -15
                  16 November 2020 15: 36
                  And you all groan that everything is bad if the war will defeat us all?
                  1. +14
                    16 November 2020 17: 18
                    Quote: Tagil
                    And you all groan that everything is bad if the war will defeat us all?

                    No, you will "defeat" everyone with one finger!
                    1. +11
                      16 November 2020 17: 24
                      War even when it was easy ???? What for the country, what for the people. It is necessary to fight when all other methods have been exhausted. Don't you think?
                      1. +35
                        16 November 2020 18: 40
                        Quote: Tagil
                        War even when it was easy ???? What for the country, what for the people. It is necessary to fight when all other methods have been exhausted. Don't you think?

                        I find it. But in order to go to fight, especially in a difficult war, I must believe in the Motherland, that what I am doing is necessary for her, even if I die. But excuse me, now the word Motherland is associated with Comrade. Miller, Rottenberg, Rosneft and other fat cats and their yachts, planes, mansions. Sending their beloved dogs to Switzerland for a haircut, as well as with grandparents who have a pension of 8-14 thousand rubles for survival.
                      2. +37
                        16 November 2020 18: 49
                        For me, the Motherland is my family, my parents, my land, the graves of my father and grandfathers, everyone who stands behind me, even you. All these Millers and others are in the minority and not fighting for them. You can't take offense at your homeland, you won't have another one. During the Second World War, too, there were a lot of millers on the Tashkent fronts, but this did not leave the Motherland anywhere. And now she has not gone anywhere. Everything else changes.
                      3. +23
                        16 November 2020 18: 57
                        Quote: Tagil
                        For me, the Motherland is my family, my parents, my land, the graves of my father and grandfathers, everyone who stands behind me, even you. All these Millers and others are in the minority and not fighting for them. You can't take offense at your homeland, you won't have another one. During the Second World War, too, there were a lot of millers on the Tashkent fronts, but this did not leave the Motherland anywhere. And now she has not gone anywhere. Everything else changes.

                        We cannot disagree with you. Of course, by and large you are right. Yours faithfully!
                      4. +40
                        16 November 2020 20: 00
                        Quote: Tagil
                        During the Second World War, too, there were a lot of millers on the Tashkent fronts,

                        You don't compare the reproductive organ to a carrot. Sorry, but this is a substitution of concepts. In World War II, 10% of your compatriots owned 90% of the country's national wealth?
                        Then people united for the sake of a common idea - who is for Stalin, who is for mother and father, children, and note that after his death, Stalin left nothing to his children or grandchildren. Can you say the same about Putin or his "party bureau"?
                      5. -6
                        16 November 2020 20: 14
                        Can you tell us about Putin and his villas, dachas, bills?
                        Sorry, but this is a substitution of concepts. In World War II, 10% of your compatriots owned 90% of the country's national wealth?
                        What do you know about the panic in Moscow in November 41, and what do you know about the panic when Minsk and Kiev are abandoned? How many officials fled and took away their property? What do you know about special distributors for the highest feeder and the Komsomol? What do you know about the distribution of goods in the USSR? I can ask many more questions, but first answer these.
                      6. +38
                        16 November 2020 22: 14
                        Quote: Tagil
                        Can you tell us about Putin and his villas, dachas, bills?

                        I can! This is the whole country, this is my frozen pension, which cannot be lived on, these are yachts, palaces and double basses of his friends.

                        Quote: Tagil
                        What do you know about the panic in Moscow in November 41, and what do you know about the panic when Minsk and Kiev are abandoned?

                        For the smartest? Except you, no one reads anything?
                        Use carrots for their intended purpose
                        Quote: Tagil
                        What do you know about special distributors for the highest feeder and the Komsomol? What do you know about the distribution of goods in the USSR?

                        Smart ass! It was before my eyes. It's not for you to tell me.
                        Only flew into space, and now on a trampoline. The luxury of the 1st state secretary of the regional party committee at that time was not comparable to the luxury of the mayor of the uyezd city of Ugrobinsk.
                        And they did not collect money for the treatment of SMS-kamt for children. And if they printed about you in the newspaper - either retired or down. And now - an order, a certificate and the return of the confiscated
                      7. -26
                        16 November 2020 22: 22
                        How else have you not hanged yourself from such "justice"? Stop whining, your generation has fucked up the country if that. So there is no need to tell me about the regional committee. Tired of the exposer of everything. When the country was beaten, what did you think about?
                      8. +9
                        16 November 2020 22: 26
                        Quote: Tagil
                        How have you not hanged yourself from such "justice"

                        After you
                        Quote: Tagil
                        Stop whining, your generation has been fucked up

                        Hey, kid, where were you in 91? Why didn't you come out to defend the Union? I was standing at gunpoint in Novofedorovka
                        Quote: Tagil
                        When the country was beaten, what did you think about?

                        Indicate the address or can you find the way yourself?
                      9. +1
                        16 November 2020 22: 39
                        Listen, grandfather, when you were standing at gunpoint in 91, I was fighting on the border at the age of nineteen, exactly in 91. Two against seven. I can specify the address myself. And the avatar suits you, matches the character.
                      10. +9
                        17 November 2020 09: 16
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        I was standing at gunpoint in Novofedorovka

                        Iiiii ????
                      11. +3
                        17 November 2020 11: 03
                        Yes, we were small, but there were rumors that it would be like this (from grandmothers from grandfathers) It seems like the godless communists said they would leave and come even worse who would ruin everything and sell it to the end and the people would die out And then there will come such a moment that in general the edge is well, and then like a riot not a riot, but in general they will be overthrown and there will be a tsar again And if this does not happen for some reason, then the Russian people will die out until there is very little of it Then there will be no one to unite all other peoples and Russia will fall apart and then the Russian people will completely disappear But all this will slowly happen because the one who conceived all this thought that if you do it quickly, then a riot can happen (well, like how a frog is boiled over low heat) and you can take your time because they thought that resources will start to run out completely not right tomorrow and the time until we all fall apart so that we still have to divide everything. Like how everyone tried quickly under Yeltsin (greed, nevertheless), but the truth began to approach the rebellion. Slowly they began to do as according to plan and it was. Maybe someone at the top understood all this and began to resist? but this already does not change anything Well, I heard this back in the 80s and I see that everything is as they said
                      12. +8
                        17 November 2020 20: 35
                        Quote: Tagil
                        How else have you not hanged yourself from such "justice"? Stop whining, your generation has fucked up the country if that.

                        And you, apparently, will never be responsible for anything! Just shuffle! With any power. For the last 30-20 years, haven't you been asking ... Moreover, what the previous generation built, not you. Soon they will grow up, those who will ask you, what will you tell and show them? Foreign cars, mortgage apartments, imported products from Mr. made? The accuser was found ...
                      13. +3
                        17 November 2020 09: 06
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        secretary of state

                        Hope it's a typo ...
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        1-state secretary of the regional party committee is then not comparable with the luxury of the mayor of the district town of Ugrobinsk.

                        what You have now very much offended the hero of Ukraine, comrade Bagrov !!!
                      14. -1
                        19 November 2020 02: 38
                        Picked up questions from our liberals! Say something of your own. and don't be stupid. In case of conflict, you will be the first to run. Already passed. "Hero" sofa.
                      15. -5
                        17 November 2020 13: 47
                        As always, your sect pops up only in some topics, and as always, some slogans and pseudo-communist chants. Sylvester, are you tired?
                      16. +3
                        17 November 2020 17: 04
                        And what were the peasants fighting for in 1812? for the lordly estates or the royal granaries? Why did Susanin die, who led the Poles into forests and swamps? add more examples?
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                      18. +11
                        17 November 2020 10: 43
                        Here, judging by the minuses of your post and statements, undoubtedly a fighter and Russian patriot Tagil, and many others, the zaluzhnaya evil has achieved its goal. Their youth and youth fell on a successful coup as a result of sabotage from above. Differentiation of everything, even hunger, the collapse of everything and everyone. That is what the enemies of socialism intended, the decreditation of Soviet power. And they blame our generation for loving the Union. That's right, in general. Lost. Even those who tried to prevent it fought for the Union with a counter. Everything, the country is different, it no longer belongs to the people. The psychology has changed, the youth is a stranger.
                      19. +11
                        17 November 2020 12: 16
                        Do not confuse the concept of homeland and state. The homeland is protected, but with the help of the state. You can't go against drones with a stone. And our state is Milera, Sechin, Putin and others.
                      20. -7
                        17 November 2020 16: 57
                        Homeland and state for Russia are one and the same, the rest is enemy demagoguery in any regime
                      21. +10
                        17 November 2020 18: 09
                        Quote: 16329
                        Homeland and state for Russia are one and the same

                        Is that in someone's sore head.
                        The state is a hired and elected apparatus for governing the country. It has nothing to do with the Motherland, the country from the word "in general". People have the right to choose both the optimal management model and the choice of specific personalities. If the current model has become inadequate to modern realities, the people have the right to change it (that is, the state). And if the choice was wrong, then change again and again. There is not and cannot be any sacredness. Yes, the transition period may be accompanied by certain costs, but they are simply negligible in comparison with those incurred by the country, society, using the current deadlock option.
                      22. -4
                        17 November 2020 19: 45
                        Well, I do not.
                        In Russia, it is the state that has always been the main bond. Because otherwise, due to the poverty of the feeding landscape, no Russia should have existed.
                        It was the state that seized the meager surplus product that a primitive economy could provide, and converted it into a military force capable of withstanding the leading world powers.
                        It was the state that was "the only European" in Russia, that is, the only civilized and civilizing subject.
                        Therefore, a Russian patriot must necessarily be a statesman.
                      23. -1
                        21 November 2020 21: 49
                        Did you understand what you wrote ??
                        The basis of the state-va - what do you think ?? And on yours some kind of clan or aristocracy comes out. Well then, do you think Russia is a clan or one caste ?? ))

                        State-in is a people by common roots and goals, way of life and identity, living for a long time in the same territory.

                        And I recommend flipping through the photographs of the markets of Tsarist Russia (Russian Empire) - you will be surprised at that poverty))) Do you know "Triangle" - they mention it in Kortika. And what about combines? And what about the Siberian kingdom (often called the Siberian Khanate or Siberian Tartary)? And what about the paved roads in Siberia? And what about the fact that in all cities the first and often the second floors are on a layer of soil - this is called a cultural layer. Just fill in the questions in a search engine and flip through.
                      24. -3
                        16 November 2020 19: 53
                        Envy is bad
                        Did you go to school?
                        Or did you not study in this country?
                      25. +1
                        17 November 2020 08: 43
                        Quote: cmax
                        now the word Motherland is associated

                        Those. go over to the side of the attackers? Well, to clear the Motherland of ..
                        Miller, Rottenberg, Rosneft and other fat cats
                      26. +9
                        17 November 2020 09: 04
                        cmax
                        You are confusing concepts.
                        There is a Motherland, a Fatherland, a country - it was, is and will be.
                        This is the Earth, the Country, our traditions, our spiritual and cultural values, the Memory of the past, these are ordinary Russian people, these are our children, our future.
                        And there is power in this homeland. It is just the same as you wrote above.
                        And I think that there is no need to identify the Motherland with the Miller-Gref-Chubais, the duck-lipped ruble fools and their dogs.
                      27. +10
                        17 November 2020 12: 04
                        I would also add that I must believe that the state will not betray me, will not throw me into some kind of meat grinder, for the sake of someone's selfish interests, and there it will forget. And if something happens, he will make a sad face and say: "Forgive me to treat with understanding." But I do not and cannot trust our government and state. And without faith, how to fight?
                      28. +10
                        16 November 2020 19: 54
                        Quote: Tagil
                        It is necessary to fight when all other methods have been exhausted.

                        You left the line of the author, the main message of the article is as follows
                        ... Russia is not ready for war

                        Are you already at war? For whom? And with whom?
                        ... For me, the Motherland is my family, my parents, my land, the graves of my father and grandfathers, everyone who stands behind me, even you.

                        What does this have to do with the collapse of the economy and society? Or do you think that people who even share your beliefs will go to die for the Motherland, which neither you nor I need anyone (judging by the destruction of social guarantees, pensions, etc.).
                        The reality is much worse than your pathos.
                      29. +2
                        18 November 2020 17: 05
                        So the Kremlin, with its peacefulness (in fact, they are afraid of losing their business), gets conflicts and wars at the borders, a Russophobic government. As a result, our children will eat to the fullest
                    2. 0
                      17 November 2020 16: 56
                      The author writes complete nonsense, everything is mixed together, Russia is compared with the semi-state of Armenia, it turns out that Syria was forcing Russia to start a war, Turkey suddenly climbed into the Zone of Russia's interests, and the Turks suddenly became "experts" in military affairs, tactics and strategy.
                      And it is generally difficult to speak about the unity of the party and the people in 1941, taking into account the capture of almost half of the European part of the USSR by the enemy in 4-5 months of the war with the loss of more than half of the cadre army
                      What a unity with the betrayal of the commanders of the districts and the surrender of the generals in command of the armies.
                      Treason in Russia has always been and will be under any regime, there has never been unity and there is no, therefore, wars must be waged preventive, hybrid, use the potential of partners, and outside of Russia, which the authorities are doing with success, which is recognized in the world
                  2. +8
                    16 November 2020 19: 48
                    Quote: Tagil
                    And you all groan that everything is bad if the war will defeat us all?

                    That is, you reject everything written by the author and are sure of the opposite? And about the stratification of society and the lack of purpose and cohesion, and about education and health care? Cool!
                    Do your windows overlook the Old Square? laughing
                2. +6
                  16 November 2020 16: 07
                  Quote: lexus
                  Are you, excuse me, "wounded on the Kolchak fronts"?

                  Comrade, you have iron nerves good How can you explain something to these ninjaks, because they themselves in a dream can bite off their ear and eat belay
                  1. 0
                    16 November 2020 16: 16
                    Hi colleague! hi
                    Yes, let at least "stsunami" let them. laughing
                    1. -10
                      16 November 2020 16: 35
                      While here they let yours.
                      Tears flooded.
                  2. +1
                    17 November 2020 13: 49
                    Bah, what people! Well, "warrior", now you tell me how you fought, being not served for health?
            2. -6
              16 November 2020 15: 34
              "I don't believe" (c)
            3. -4
              17 November 2020 08: 41
              Quote: lexus
              I have already won mine

              Just don’t remember where ... the contusion was probably ...
            4. -1
              17 November 2020 13: 44
              I have already won mine.

              Lexus, stop lying. You are as much a warrior as Bread Cutter, who is like a "valiant Afghan paratrooper", but he himself did not serve in health. There are no warriors in your sect, only whiners and mourners.
            5. 0
              19 November 2020 02: 33
              Those who really fought do not emphasize their "exploits". You seem to be one of the mummers. Calm down.
        2. 0
          23 November 2020 08: 51
          Laurels of Pzhivts Fedorov do not give rest?
      2. +37
        16 November 2020 15: 14
        Quote: Tagil
        Well, if you and the author get off the couch in the front rows of those going to the front and sit in the trenches, then Russia will win all.

        Russia will win when the kids of the "rulers" and the so-called elite of society are in the trenches, but they are really in the "England" or with "white tickets".
        The article is written to the point! Harsh, but fair!
        1. -19
          16 November 2020 15: 18
          Maybe that's enough about the rulers' kids ah? Besides "kids", how many Russians live abroad and work on a permanent basis? You didn't say a word about these "traitors" of the Motherland (just don't say that they were forced to leave).
          1. +29
            16 November 2020 15: 23
            Quote: Tagil
            how many Russians live abroad and work on a permanent basis?

            Did they leave to work abroad from the "good" life in Russia?
            1. -15
              16 November 2020 15: 27
              Imagine that yes. They found the money for the ticket. And how the epidemic came as they all rushed back, abandoning everything. And then back to Europe. In general, rich people do not say so. And they could have digged anti-tank ditches at home, but .....
              1. +7
                16 November 2020 17: 24
                Quote: kapitan92
                Did they leave to work abroad from the "good" life in Russia?

                Quote: Tagil
                Imagine that yes. They found the money for the ticket.

                For you, the concept of "good" life is the equivalent of a ticket to the EU? For example: a ticket for a plane Moscow-Paris 10.000-15.000 rubles.
                1. -21
                  16 November 2020 17: 26
                  What's a bad life for you?
                  1. +12
                    16 November 2020 17: 27
                    When a question is answered with a question.
                    1. +4
                      16 November 2020 17: 35
                      Good. How many workers we now have in factories, and how many people have higher education now, just because it is fashionable (young people apply for admission to several universities at once, and they don't care what specialty they get), they never worked in their specialty and will never go to the plant. Show me at least a dozen workers who have gone abroad. But there are plenty of dog hairdressers who have left. It’s definitely bad for them in our country. don’t you?
                      1. +4
                        16 November 2020 17: 57
                        Quote: Tagil
                        How many workers we now have in factories, and how many people have higher education now, just because it is fashionable (young people apply for admission to several universities at once, and they don't care what specialty they get), they never worked in their specialty and will never go to the plant.

                        How dare they get a higher education, and then not work at the factory!
                        Quote: Tagil
                        But there are plenty of dog hairdressers who have left. It’s definitely bad for them in our country. don’t you?

                        By itself. With such and such an income, where does the money for a dog hairdresser come from? We have to cut the dogs ourselves anyhow.
                      2. 0
                        16 November 2020 18: 02
                        I wanted to say that people are leaving who only consume, but do not produce. The sense of education if you go to work as a sales manager, not an engineer. Only I think that they are not needed abroad either, there are enough of our own managers. So a good life and a bad life for everyone has its own definition.
                      3. +8
                        16 November 2020 18: 05
                        Quote: Tagil
                        I wanted to say that people are leaving who only consume, but do not produce.

                        Where do you get statistics on those who left? How many workers and how many hairdressers?
                        Quote: Tagil
                        So a good life and a bad life for everyone has its own definition.

                        With you, I think, sorted out. Or not? Still, 15000 per ticket is already good in your opinion? And if this amount was accumulated for six months or a year?
                        And to someone and 90 thousand rubles. the pension is not enough.
                        Olympic champion Natalya Bestemyanova complained about her pension of 90 thousand rubles
                      4. -1
                        16 November 2020 18: 10
                        Understood! Wonderful.
                      5. +8
                        16 November 2020 21: 06
                        Unfortunately, not only those who consume. Some good doctors tend to leave, many scientists, programmers. Those who are leaving are those who see the strength in themselves to settle there, and who can compete with the locals. And these are far from consumers. These are in many ways those who could work here and bring benefit. I do not want to evaluate or condemn them, this is the choice of every person, but, unfortunately, we have far from the best working conditions in the country.
                      6. +3
                        16 November 2020 21: 12
                        Maxim, all this is true, but after all, not everyone has left, it’s true, and mostly young people are leaving, who take globalization for granted. This is a trend all over the world and we are no exception. All for some reason only compare salaries, but look at prices for housing and communal services, food, taxes. And it turns out that Europe is far from heaven.
                      7. +7
                        16 November 2020 21: 46
                        Of course not, not heaven at all. But the question is in the future. Do you know the common phrase - Russia is one of the few developed countries where people cannot earn money by working. Yes, of course there are exceptions to this rule, but this is largely true. But in the same Europe - it is not so ... Here the question is in the conditions - if they created favorable conditions in the country - they would not go from us, but on the contrary to us. But these conditions do not exist
                      8. +7
                        16 November 2020 21: 59
                        But the question is in the future. Do you know the common phrase - Russia is one of the few developed countries where people cannot earn money by working
                        In Europe, Canada, the United States, and almost everywhere, people earn more (without holidays, vacations, weekends) than here, but these states come up with a lot of ways and taxes to take away this money. Indeed, in the United States, people live without any savings, and the standard salary of $ 1500 does not contribute to this. So everywhere. Only people will return back even more difficult than leaving there. And after all, many return after the capitalist "paradise".
                      9. +3
                        17 November 2020 01: 52
                        Well done Sergey! Hold on! drinks
                      10. +3
                        17 November 2020 17: 18
                        Quote: Tagil
                        But the question is in the future. Do you know the common phrase - Russia is one of the few developed countries where people cannot earn money by working
                        In Europe, Canada, the United States, and almost everywhere, people earn more (without holidays, vacations, weekends) than here, but these states come up with a lot of ways and taxes to take away this money. Indeed, in the United States, people live without any savings, and the standard salary of $ 1500 does not contribute to this. So everywhere. Only people will return back even more difficult than leaving there. And after all, many return after the capitalist "paradise".

                        Very clearly described!
                        My friends, I personally know, returned from America after 5 years of living there. All the money they took with them, from the sale of one of the apartments, they ate, they didn't manage to make money and create their own "startup".
                      11. +1
                        18 November 2020 18: 56
                        They really earn more. BUT ... the cost of living is different. Most people in the United States live paycheck to paycheck, and the average US household owes $ 10000 on credit cards (not counting mortgages and car payments). Vacation here for most people is 1-2 weeks a year. 3.5 liters of milk - the cheapest, 2.50 USD. Loaf of bread (not entirely trashy) 3.99. LBS 454g Normal Sausage 6.99. The cost of one credit hour at Community College is $ 130. In the semester, at least 12 hours. There are 2 semesters in a year. In universities, you can safely multiply by 30. When I arrived in the USA, the salary was 4 bucks an hour. The cost of one hour in college communities is $ 23. A gallon of gasoline is 99 cents. The average salary is 28 thousand. Now the average salary is 40000, that is, it has grown by a little more than a third. But prices have risen, at least twice, in some industries - once in 5. Honey insurance is included, on the national average, AFTER you paid $ 1500, and after that, pays 80% of the costs. Every year, the cost of a sticker on a car number (gives you the right to drive a car) is 150 bucks (Illinois), and there are at least two cars in the family. Real estate taxes this year lifted up in general one and a half times. The USA and Canada are now WELL NOT the countries they were in the 90s and 2000s.
                      12. +3
                        18 November 2020 18: 44
                        Patriotism, like any other love, it should be a two-way road. I mean, if I pay taxes, then I have to see that the country takes care of me. That life is improving. Hospitals, schools, colleges are being built, infrastructure is maintained, security in cities. Housing is being built and the standard of living of the POPULATION is improving. That the doctor "Uhoglaz" (I hear one thing and see another) I do not need. What if the state says "ABC was done to solve the housing issue" and I see how many storeys are being built instead of the ruined survivors of the Second World War and people are being relocated, albeit not to luxurious apartments, but to apartments that are head and shoulders above the old ones. What about my taxes when I have a 38, a doctor comes to my house (free). What if my children pass their exams well, then they will be admitted to a free university (albeit not necessarily to the most prestigious, perhaps even in another city, but FREE). I mean, I care about the country (I work regularly, I pay taxes), and I SEE the results, not only for me but for everyone. After all, a new polyclinic is not only for me. A new technical school or factory is not just for me. BUT when Homeland creates them, it improves life for everyone, INCLUDING me. Then we can talk about patriotism. And about love.
                        And if taxes are ripped off from me, and the standard of living is decreasing. Medical service rises in price, everything rises MUCH faster than salaries grow. And the money flows either into the pockets of the bureaucrats, or for the maintenance of a horde of welders and the protection of the rights of "oppressed sex minorities" and "oppressed national minorities" (who, by the way, do not want to work or assimilate). When everything that is being built and created is another way to separate me from my dough (well, they have built a polyclinic, but it’s worth it to go there), then we can safely say, "But in fact, what should I be to such a country?" But nothing. I honestly served in the US Army for 6 years, almost as soon as I came here. And I have no complaints about the Army. Everything that they promised me they fulfilled. But since the country has changed - over the past 15 years - this is no longer the same country, unfortunately. And people's opportunities are not at all what they were. And there are problems with freedom of speech (or rather, problems with the lack of it - see political correctness and "cancel culture"), and since the country doesn't care about me, then why the hell should I care and protect it? Now, not only would I not go into the army, but I also tell my children that they shouldn't. This is me about the United States, by the way. I don’t live in poverty, I don’t live from paycheck to paycheck, thanks to the VA hospital where I work. The army took care of me here too. OR Just lucky. I know a bunch of people who received a specialty in the Army or the Air Force (for example, my friend Tom has been repairing jet engines in the Air Force, on transport workers for 8 years, but he could not get a job in civilian life)
                        And now if the state drags taxes from you, officials and oligarchs are bathed in such luxury that in the USSR the first secretary of the regional committee would have strangled himself with envy and would have said, "Well, you freaks, you need to know the boundaries." By the way, he studied with his son at the beginning of the trust at school. And this beginning of the trust lived in an ordinary 3-room apartment and not in an estate. And his son studied at school 102, and not in an elite "lyceum", and this son went to the university to the CPU, and not abroad - this is just an example. So, if the standard of living falls, crime is on the streets, society is criminalized, health care is at its peak as the notorious "Oka" (not a car, but an airplane shell), schools, technical schools, clinics are closed, and what is not closed is transferred to a paid basis. The question is - what for is a state and a government? To love such a government / state (which says "We did not ask you to give birth, we do not owe you anything") is masochism, this is already from a series of mental disorders. Syndrome of the "beaten woman" when her husband pounds on drunkenness, puts out cigarettes on her, and she continues to love and justify him. I knew such women (the mother of a friend of mine) both in the USSR and in the USA ..
                        With ALL of its shortcomings, the USSR CAREDED about its citizens. And SUCH a gap between those in power and just citizens was not. Do you feel sick? No problem, the doctor will come home. Is free. New family? The country will give you an apartment. IS FREE. Perhaps I will have to wait (my parents received an apartment a YEAR after my birth. 42 square meters of living space). Was the apartment perfect? No. But it was a HUGE step up from a 15m room in a communal apartment. Technical schools, universities and factories were built. In the village where my great-aunt lived, a "house of culture" and an 8-year-old school was built in the early 60s, before me, and already when I was a child, the polyclinic was doubled, and the school became a 10-year-old school. The streets were SAFE. THIS country SHOULD be loved and protected. (and her generation of my family was solemnly loved). And if the country / government puts you in a situation where you work, pay taxes, and the standard of living (and opportunities for your children) keeps falling and falling, and in schools they teach that there are 72 options for sexual orientation, and that the whole history of your country this is a story of "oppression, enslavement and systemic racism" ... And taxes go to support the horde of welders who sport fashionable sneakers for 120 bucks, live on everything ready, have free medicine and demand more, and you buy yourself sneakers for 30 .. When traditions, norms, morals, morals are destroyed and in return there is “Repent and pay”. Then love for such is from a series of masochism. This is me, by the way, about the United States, not about Russia. But the idea is about the same. The country should take care of its citizens, and the citizens should protect it and work for the country's benefit and see that the STANDARD OF LIVING INCREASES. If this is not the case, then citizens of ANYTHING are not obliged to such a country.
                        Sorry for the opus, but it hurt. In addition, the "powers that be" (or rather the money elites) stole our elections, and then the whole world will teach how to hold elections and teach democracy. Let the Zuckebergs, Bloombergs, Soros, Dorsei, Pages and Brins and Clintons and the like defend themselves.
                      13. +1
                        19 November 2020 22: 35
                        Thank you for an interesting look from the inside. They told me similar things, but to be honest, I doubted them a little. I thought they were exaggerating.
                      14. 0
                        17 November 2020 21: 16
                        Quote: Tagil
                        And it turns out that Europe is far from heaven.


                        In Russia too. But many more people leave than come back. They probably know something.
                      15. +1
                        18 November 2020 20: 10
                        So to speak. I still have a family in Kharkov and Podolsk and in Vladimir. Even if you two go to work in the USA at 13-14 Basques per hour. (and this is quite a bit), then your standard of living in the United States will be higher than in Russia. Two working at 13.50 an hour is 56000 a year. You will have enough for renting a small apartment in a safe area and for an inexpensive car. And the mortgage is 3%, not 15%. A nurse in the United States starts working at 50-60 kilobax per year. If a honey sister comes from Russia and passes the exam (and this requires only the language), then she will earn these money. Now compare with the salary of a nurse in the same paradise polyclinic in Podolsk or Vladimir. I had a neighbor in Kiev with a sonorous surname Nemelman. In the USSR he had 27 patents or 28 patents, a Zaporozhets car and a small summer house near Kiev. PhD in Physics. When the Ukrainian SSR became a Banderostan, he, at the age of 55, rushed to the United States, together with his wife - a librarian. And his first job was at 60000 a year. Considering not only the fact that he had a good-natured English, but the fact that he did not pronounce half of the letters in Russian, FIFECT FICTIONS. I’m not saying that EVERYONE works like that, but many. And he had no illusions about the "startup". I just went to work for some company in Arizona for a good salary.
                      16. +12
                        16 November 2020 23: 55
                        Quote: Tagil
                        I wanted to say that people are leaving who only consume, but do not produce. The sense of education if you go to work as a sales manager, not an engineer. Only I think that they are not needed abroad either, there are enough of our own managers. So a good life and a bad life for everyone has its own definition.

                        You even destroyed Yandex along with Apple. And they are alive and you are using her products.
                        Here is a teacher who does not produce anything, but you can read and write. Doctors, engineers, scientists of all stripes. They have taken away, and you are using their products. What do you think the Bolsheviks and Sikorsky left. You are neo-Bolshevik in the worst sense
                      17. +5
                        17 November 2020 00: 02
                        You are a neo-Bolshevik in the worst sense
                        Komsomolets, and the ticket is still there. I am surprised how someone else lives in Russia and did not leave for a happy life abroad.
                        Here is a teacher who does not produce anything, but you can read and write. Doctors, engineers, scientists of all stripes.
                        You are talking about the older generation.
                      18. +8
                        17 November 2020 02: 56
                        What do you think the Bolsheviks and Sikorsky left.

                        Really? And the Bolsheviks, except for Sikorsky, had no one left to build airplanes? Or for one Sikorsky who left, the Bolsheviks had Tupolev and Ilyushin, Sukhoi and Myasishchev, Polikarpov and Yakovlev, Kamov and Mil. Or is it your first time hearing about such? But to replace the modern left scientists who work for our potential adversary, in his universities, the Russian "authorities" have little guts to bring up worthy competitors. Before you write nonsense, think at least sometimes ...
                      19. +3
                        17 November 2020 03: 41
                        lol lol lol About dogs - cool !!!
            2. +5
              16 November 2020 15: 39
              Suffice it to recall all the children of the opposition, especially non-systemic ones, as well as their leaders: where do they live, where is the business, where is the real estate? everything is in the west, like everyone else.
              1. +15
                16 November 2020 20: 07
                Quote: VORON538
                real estate? everything in the west, like everyone else

                Do yours? I believe that the majority of the country's population has children at home.
                Quote: VORON538
                all opposition children, especially non-systemic ones,

                Indicate, pliz ... But about the children of today's elite, you can safely list: Zolotov, Naryshkin. By the way, fighter for justice, explain to us the meaning of Putin's decree on the right of the top of the FSB to receive passports for travel to permanent residence. Previously, he, Putin, forbade it laughing
                1. +12
                  16 November 2020 22: 13
                  I believe that the majority of the country's population has children at home.

                  Many people, I suppose (like me, for example) have children without a home, without work, without social guarantees and without a future.
                  They earn their bread on covens, money from which is only enough to eat a day and pay for a rented apartment in housing in the middle of the last century.
                  1. +4
                    16 November 2020 22: 17
                    Quote: DED_peer_DED
                    Many people, I suppose (like me, for example) have children without a home, without work, without social guarantees and without a future.

                    This is what voronov and Tagil are happy with. It doesn't matter that the hard workers hang themselves out of despair on the "Wagon" - they have everything in openwork.
                  2. +1
                    17 November 2020 01: 37
                    Who is to blame?
                  3. -11
                    17 November 2020 07: 38
                    Quote: DED_peer_DED
                    Many people, I suppose (like me, for example) have children without a home, without work, without social guarantees and without a future.
                    They earn their bread on covens, money from which is only enough to eat a day and pay for a rented apartment in housing in the middle of the last century.

                    Are you proud of this? You raised him and brought him up so that he is without everything. He was trained in such a way that he is not in demand, does not have a profession that could feed him. And here neither Putin nor the government is to blame that you raised your child not adapted to life. It's your fault.
              2. 0
                16 November 2020 23: 36
                Quote: VORON538
                Suffice it to recall all the children of the opposition, especially non-systemic ones, as well as their leaders: where do they live, where is the business, where is the real estate? everything is in the west, like everyone else.

                I would like to hear about Udaltsov, for example, where are his children and real estate? Or about Dvurechensky, what can you tell? You got the balabolas already. Overseas business and real estate on the non-systemic left. Ha-ha-ha.
            3. +20
              16 November 2020 15: 51
              Vyacheslav hi, "whiskers carrying a blizzard" as if in spirit said that they had sent their offspring abroad, I quote, "so that they get used to difficulties from an early age." winked laughing
            4. +8
              16 November 2020 18: 35
              From free. Here, no one wants to do anything, under various pretexts even for themselves, but for ready-made, like rats, even for distillation
          2. +10
            16 November 2020 15: 56
            Quote: Tagil
            Maybe that's enough about the rulers' kids ah? Besides "kids", how many Russians live abroad and work on a permanent basis? You didn't say a word about these "traitors" of the Motherland (just don't say that they were forced to leave).

            Are you seriously writing all this game? belay Well, it cannot be that you are surrounded from all sides by enemies, who are even former friends, plus even internal ones and Zhidapechenegs and Geyurop a reptile, and then there is tryampvash. belay
            Tin, as people uproots brains from the TV. wassat
            PySy. I don't need to advise me anything, like buying tickets laughing
            1. 0
              16 November 2020 17: 30
              Quote: Stroporez
              Quote: Tagil
              Maybe that's enough about the rulers' kids ah? Besides "kids", how many Russians live abroad and work on a permanent basis? You didn't say a word about these "traitors" of the Motherland (just don't say that they were forced to leave).

              Are you seriously writing all this game? belay Well, it cannot be that you are surrounded from all sides by enemies, who are even former friends, plus even internal ones and Zhidapechenegs and Geyurop a reptile, and then there is tryampvash. belay
              Tin, as people uproots brains from the TV. wassat
              PySy. I don't need to advise me anything, like buying tickets laughing

              You're right. According to Zhvanetsky. Maybe at the conservatory to fix something!
          3. +20
            16 November 2020 16: 10
            So!
            If you have not noticed, then we are talking about the children of "officials" and the like.
            And this is a big difference with ordinary people!
            To an official, especially at the top, a lot of everything from ordinary people (in particular, the budget) was taken and given away, that's why the demand from them is completely different than from ordinary people!
            1. -14
              16 November 2020 16: 59
              That is, you can be dumped abroad because because, well, at the same time, if something is betrayed or sold to the Motherland, but the official (whom you yourself have chosen or the majority) is that he is not a person with all his shortcomings (God, we have only one and then in heaven)? I do not make excuses for the officials (Navalny and his family should be sorry), but then everyone should be responsible. And then I'll see that apart from officials, everyone else is just saints.
              1. +28
                16 November 2020 17: 34
                There was no talk at all about the betrayal of the Motherland.
                And the official, taking his children abroad, gives leverage to himself, and he, among other things, makes decisions that affect the fate of the people, which is why the measures are completely different.
                Besides, an official is also called upon (to a much greater extent than an ordinary citizen) to make life in the country better, including better than where he takes the children out, that's why the demand from him is ten times stricter!
                1. -13
                  16 November 2020 17: 39
                  Everything you say is correct. But again you forget that an official is the same person who, like you, wants to relax in Turkey or Cyprus. It's not that he takes his children abroad. The fact is that these children would not fall into power after school. In my opinion we have a law for this.
                  1. +21
                    16 November 2020 17: 44
                    Yes, we have plenty of laws.
                    Since 2006, there has been a law banning citizenship for MPs, etc.
                    Yes, something had to be pushed into the constitution ...
                    And still something is not heard rustling of the mandates being handed over ..
                    The nice title of the amendment has done its job, the "Moor" may go away ... especially since the "Moor" turned out to be a "naked king" even before the adoption, the point about the prohibition of real estate was blown away in public even before the adoption ..
                    And to have a rest in Turkey, it's not to take out permanent residence and study!
                    1. -13
                      16 November 2020 17: 48
                      You know, I can argue, but I won't. But I guess that whichever group comes to power, they will also send their children abroad. If you disagree, name those who will be honest as an angel in power.
                      1. +11
                        16 November 2020 18: 04
                        Quote: Tagil
                        But I guess that whichever group comes to power, they will also send their children abroad. If you disagree, name those who will be honest as an angel in power.

                        Do you really not understand what they are telling you or pretend to be?
                        And now, point by point, there should be such people in power so that there is no need for foreign education, but to make one's own, not worse, but better. It is the same with medicine, remember that they are servants of the people, hired by that people for a time to perform certain duties! And with your position you are simply trying to take our lives from direct genocide, and our children have a future!
                        I hope so understand?
                      2. -13
                        16 November 2020 18: 15
                        If you disagree, name those who will be honest as an angel in power.
                        I did not see the answer who these people are.
                      3. +8
                        16 November 2020 18: 20
                        Quote: Tagil
                        I did not see the answer who these people are.

                        Even your candidacy in the current conditions will be better, but if you are not sure of your decency, then I can offer my modest candidacy soldier
                      4. -6
                        16 November 2020 18: 27
                        For some reason I thought so. You understand a sling cutter (nothing on you?) Everything you say, you talk about an ideal society, but this does not happen. And even you, no matter how ideal the ball is, you will not be able to realize what you dream of. Well, it won't work. I do not consider myself ideal, and if God forbid I find myself in power, so that I can somehow straighten things out, I will jump to dictatorship, I do not see any other way. So it's better without me.
                      5. -6
                        17 November 2020 13: 50
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        in power there should be such people so that there is no need for foreign education, but to make their own not worse, but better. It is the same with medicine, remember that they are servants of the people, hired by that people for a time to perform certain duties!

                        Ideally, maybe yes. But without knowing what is there, abroad, you will never understand "how you are here." Nevertheless, one must have something to compare with. About servants - stupidity. There, among the officials (as I understand it, we do not mean the workers of rural state civil service agencies, who can also be civil servants) of high rank are the same people as you, and me, and many others, but unlike you and me, We have moved a little further up the career ladder, mostly due to some qualities that we lacked. And these qualities are not always negative. It can be persistence in achieving goals, a desire to learn new something, it can be the ability to take responsibility and lead other people. And most importantly, they can worry about the results of their work and love their (ours including) homeland no less than yours. As people who have gone through a serious school of life and love their children, they make tangible efforts to educate and educate them. This is normal for serious people. I know enough specialists from private business (from the category of employees) who also give their children the opportunity to study abroad and even live for some time in the housing they have purchased there. It is available today. And we sometimes take away the future of our children ourselves when we remember their upbringing and study a week before graduation. Nothing harms children more than lack of attention from their own parents. Even in the countryside, today you can get the level of secondary education that allows children to move through life, and quite successfully. And instead of chattering about "genocides" of different stripes, you go to your child and ask what the child did at school, ask about his academic performance, his friends and foes, problems. There will be more sense and problems with "genocides" will be solved by themselves.
                      6. 0
                        16 November 2020 23: 22
                        We do not select gatekeepers for the gates to paradise, angels are not meant, but the absence of angels does not justify the presence of a complete .......................
                      7. +1
                        17 November 2020 11: 28
                        The Bolsheviks, true communists, will not. And honest ones, like an angel, do not exist in nature. Like the angels themselves, priestly nonsense. Another imperious bond for slaves. Only in the modern world it does not roll at all. Only former Soviet churches go to churches.
                        It worked in the Union, why can't it work now?
              2. +11
                16 November 2020 18: 01
                Quote: Tagil
                but the official (whom you yourself chose or the majority) is that he is not a person with all his shortcomings

                If he is a man with his own shortcomings, then a broomstick in his hands (a more complicated bureaucrat is definitely not worth trusting), and wells for free bread. And if he is an official, then he is not a man, but a screw in the state machine. And for thoughts, how to attach the children to the hillock, he must be assigned to the bunk. And if he doesn't want to be a cog ... Then again, a broom in his hands.
              3. +7
                16 November 2020 19: 53
                Quote: Tagil
                And then I'll see that apart from officials, everyone else is just saints.
                Exactly. The rest do not manage the resources of the state. And there is a special demand from officials. An official who does not work in the interests of the country, the social equivalent of cancer. And all the rest are not part of the organism of the state, but simply the social equivalent of the environment. Feel the difference.
                1. 0
                  17 November 2020 18: 42
                  Don't be nitpicky, just for the sake of accuracy for the future:
                  An official who does not work in the interests of the country ...
                  An official is a rank in the service. It serves, it doesn't work (that's the main difference). Before the service, it is not for nothing that they usually take the oath.
                  In an amicable way, all bureaucrats must take an oath. And strike in rights for its violation for life.
              4. +9
                16 November 2020 20: 10
                Quote: Tagil
                That is, you can dump abroad

                And why did the Naryshkin family receive a residence permit in the Czech Republic? Why Putin canceled his decree and with a new decree allowed the generals to receive a second citizenship? This is to start
                1. -7
                  16 November 2020 20: 17
                  Your inferences are just your inferences. What cockroaches are not found in the head.
                  1. 0
                    16 November 2020 22: 06
                    Quote: Tagil
                    Your reasoning is

                    So you can't read either? Bottom!
                    Use a search engine and don't listen to General Vonyaev
              5. +10
                16 November 2020 20: 15
                Quote: Tagil
                And then I'll see that apart from officials, everyone else is just saints.

                Why are you all rowing wholesale? More than 20 million people live in poverty in the country, 30% of medical institutions do not have hot water. Is it the officials who live like this or because of them the rest of them live like this? Who is stealing the budget? Doctors and nurses? Teachers and educators? Or officials, of whom there are many times more in comparison with the Union. The population is smaller, the territory is smaller, and there are more officials. Paradox
                1. -7
                  16 November 2020 20: 21
                  Yes, yes, everything is bad, all the thieves, everything ruined everything. Only once here you knock on the keys, it means there is light, probably garbage is taken out and there is bread in the store, buses run. I have a lot more to say. It means that bad officials are at least good for something, since you are publishing about them here.
                  1. 0
                    16 November 2020 22: 05
                    Quote: Tagil
                    there is bread in the store

                    Do not specify the price? How many times did the cost of living fall after the slamming door to OPEC and the fall in oil prices and the flight of the ruble into space?
                  2. -3
                    16 November 2020 22: 37
                    Only once here you knock on the keys, it means there is light, probably garbage is taken out and there is bread in the store

                    Officials, it means, logically, no longer eat bread from the "principle", do not use garbage, they try everything for the people, they leave it to their beloved. And they themselves do not need anything, everything is for us.
                    1. 0
                      16 November 2020 22: 40
                      Yeah, everything is for us.
                  3. +7
                    16 November 2020 23: 25
                    We do not need those "who are at least good for something", and the argument well, they do not beat you and do not rape you every day "means good, it does not pass, here are not serf slaves
                    1. -1
                      16 November 2020 23: 31
                      Listen, according to your logic, I do not understand at all how our country still exists, if all our officials are so bad. And nothing that these officials grew up in this country, they were brought up like that. And it turns out that these thieving, incompetent hundreds of thousands! Maybe then it's not the officials, but the people who live in Russia. Proceeding from this, then the entire population is no better than officials.
                      1. +2
                        17 November 2020 12: 02
                        And just as it existed before the well-known events, the beginning of the last century.
                        The problem is not in a specific Ivan Ivanovich. The system allows him to enrich himself; in general, it does not prohibit everyone from doing this. Please, elbows the running alongside, kill, steal, so that there is enough for the ransom and you have enough left. Well capitalism, in general.
                        Only our capitalism has grown out of the gangster chaos of the 90s and the laws of wolf packs continue to operate. It will not work, not belonging to the group, this. And people with a conscience have zero chances at all.
                        Conclusion - the ban on personal enrichment is the only solution. The authorities can be allowed only a minimal excess of benefits over the rest of the citizens, for really creative, tireless work for their good and the good of the Motherland.
              6. -1
                16 November 2020 22: 30
                Quote: Tagil
                And then I'll see that apart from officials, everyone else is just saints.

                There ... everyone will answer fairly.
                But, for some reason, you want here too, if you stole a nail - pay 15 kopecks to the cashier, if you stole a plant - for national construction for 15 years, or even better ...
                1. +1
                  16 November 2020 22: 35
                  But, for some reason, you want here too, if you stole a nail - pay 15 kopecks to the cashier, if you stole a plant - for national construction for 15 years, or even better ...
                  I would like to, but has it ever been so?
                  1. +1
                    16 November 2020 22: 48
                    Quote: Tagil
                    I would like to, but has it ever been so?

                    That is how it should be.
                    1. +3
                      16 November 2020 22: 51
                      Yes, everyone understands everything, but for some reason, your shirt is always closer to the body. Only we live in a different world.
                      1. +2
                        16 November 2020 22: 57
                        Quote: Tagil
                        Yes, everyone understands everything, but for some reason, your shirt is always closer to the body. Only we live in a different world.

                        So, why, then, should this world order sing praises?
                      2. +1
                        16 November 2020 23: 03
                        So, why, then, should this world order sing praises?
                        Me and praises are not compatible things. just a statement of facts. Many simply cannot accept, or understand what kind of world they live in. I would like to change all this (I would gladly return to the USSR), but the water does not flow backwards.
                      3. 0
                        16 November 2020 23: 07
                        Quote: Tagil
                        but the water does not flow backwards.

                        Stalin also promised to help in this matter. Did not have time
                      4. +1
                        16 November 2020 23: 11
                        Yes, Stalin is a personality comparable to Peter the Great and the Terrible, although both of them did not have successors after his death, there was no one to continue what he had begun. It's a shame.
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        2. +19
          16 November 2020 15: 21
          Quote: kapitan92
          Harsh, but fair!

          The time for diplomatic streamlined statements is already ending .. they do not reach the addressee ..
          1. +8
            16 November 2020 15: 56
            Vladimir hi,
            to the "addressee", looking at how he plays with the text and the folder, along the way, much "does not reach".
            1. +4
              16 November 2020 17: 32
              Quote: lexus
              Vladimir hi,
              to the "addressee", looking at how he plays with the text and the folder, along the way, much "does not reach".

              And in Belarus, too, it didn’t come to one unchangeable. And it seems that even now it does not reach. By the way.
              1. -3
                16 November 2020 20: 58
                Quote: cmax
                And it doesn't seem to reach now

                The worse and more painful the fall will be. And it will
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        3. +6
          16 November 2020 16: 04
          Quote: kapitan92
          Russia will win when the kids of the "rulers" are in the trenches

          When did this happen? It is not worth giving isolated examples.
          1. -12
            16 November 2020 16: 39
            When the kids of the fighters with the regime of all colors sit in the trenches, then Russia will win.
            They won’t sit down. Their parents taught that.
            1. -4
              16 November 2020 16: 44
              Until now, I somehow managed to win in spite of everything.
              1. +4
                16 November 2020 18: 06
                Quote: Flood
                Until now, I somehow managed to win in spite of everything.

                Until now, neither the Russian Empire, nor the USSR, nor post-Soviet Russia had a defense minister who, according to the terms of the current Criminal Code, is an evader from military service. If for me, then the army led by a deserter .... The chances of victory are ambiguous.
                1. +1
                  16 November 2020 20: 48
                  The funny thing about your comment is that you consider yourself competent enough to assess Shoigu's professional suitability and the country's defense capability.
                2. +1
                  16 November 2020 21: 25
                  Quote: Lannan Shi
                  who, according to the terms of the current Criminal Code, is a dodger from military service

                  Do you have information that he did not graduate from college as a reserve lieutenant?
                  Quote: Lannan Shi
                  If for me, then the army led by a deserter

                  Excuse me, just now you have Shoigu was an evader.
                  Now, without hesitation, you have branded him a deserter.
                  Is that allowed? Teach you how you can be both a deviator and a deserter at the same time.
                  Or is there no difference for you?
                  1. -2
                    18 November 2020 10: 28
                    A purely formal feature. What is the length of service in the RF Armed Forces for the current Minister of Defense and in what ranks? On the basis of which he missed as many as 5 feet (we generally omit the fact that the departments are different and when moving from one to another rank at least decreases, or even does not remain at all due to obvious incompetence with such a transfer) and from a lieutenant of the reserve of the USSR Armed Forces instantly became as a major general of the Russian Emergencies Ministry (http://kremlin.ru/acts/bank/3460), and then as an army general (http://kremlin.ru/acts/bank/19510). It's funny, but in the first order, at least it is clearly indicated in which department the rank is. In the second, this is not. That is, an army general of what? FSB, MVD, VS, EMERCOM?
                    From the point of view of regular military personnel, he does not look any better than Ivanov or Serdyukov. Even worse, because for the sake of "weight" he was put on a military uniform with one small but very colorful detail - if you look closely at the stripes even on the official photo, then he does not have the words "Armed Forces" or "Armed Forces". Simply "Russia", that is, "like a general of the army" - this is a suit of this cut for him.
                    I do not in any way diminish the organizational skills of this person, they are also considerable. But such an incident looks at least ridiculous.
        4. +1
          16 November 2020 20: 02
          Quote: kapitan92
          in the trenches there will be children of the "rulers" and the so-called elite of society,

          It will never be
          Quote: kapitan92
          The article is written to the point! Harsh, but fair!

          Definitely!
      3. +23
        16 November 2020 15: 19
        Quote: Tagil
        Well, if you and the author get off the couch in the front rows of those going to the front and sit in the trenches, then Russia will win all.

        For whom, for what to get up from the couch? These figures have repeatedly spoken out .. that if he didn’t fit into the market, then he himself somehow .. go retrain or go into business ..
        I think in this case, the answer should be the same .. Why should I or my loved ones die for their super-profits or capital?
        1. +9
          16 November 2020 15: 21
          For whom, for what to get up from the couch?

          You will stand up for the children !!!
          1. -8
            16 November 2020 16: 39
            These?
            These are only for their children. They don't care about the rest.
          2. +1
            16 November 2020 22: 01
            For the children it is of course yes .. BUT I am trying to save my own simply by taking them out of here! I won't die for this power I don't WANT! And the homeland ... sorry for her, but I no longer see the future at all. About 6 years ago, I have seen it now.
            1. -4
              16 November 2020 22: 16
              For the children it is of course yes .. BUT I am trying to save my own simply by taking them out of here! I won't die for this power I don't WANT! And the homeland ... sorry for her, but I no longer see the future at all. About 6 years ago, I have seen it now.


              I will not earn a second scar from a moderator. Well, you understand who you are ....... You even have the word Motherland, with a small letter .... devil.
              1. +2
                16 November 2020 22: 23
                No. Just after all the kiddies of this homeland. After spitting on ordinary people, let her herself. My HOMELAND disappeared in 91. and this country ... I will save my family. So everything is simple for me in this sense.
                1. -5
                  17 November 2020 08: 30
                  Quote: bondrostov
                  and this country ... I will save my family

                  Where did the deserter "take" his family?

                  To the occupier? So you have to shoot at your own rations for the family.

                  To neutrals? Show me where they were in WWII.

                  You will have to pay for your canine existence with betrayal of the Motherland (and who needs you there in a different capacity) with conscience, humiliation, lack of rights and women.
                  1. +1
                    17 November 2020 13: 58
                    Enough pathos for me, it does not work. Women, humiliation .. leave your cliché with you! I will go to Thailand with a friend of mine who has been living for 6 years and no one humiliates him and has found a lot for himself and everything is fine with him.
                    1. 0
                      18 November 2020 14: 44
                      Quote: bondrostov
                      Enough pathos for me, it does not work. Women, humiliation .. leave your cliché with you! I will go to Thailand with a friend of mine who has been living for 6 years and no one humiliates him and has found a lot for himself and everything is fine with him.

                      That's right, take it out. Fewer rats will be on the deck.
                      1. -1
                        18 November 2020 17: 13
                        Follow the words I did not offend you. If there were fewer uryakolki and couch warriors of nakedness, then the country would not turn into a homeless ...
                    2. +1
                      18 November 2020 15: 59
                      Quote: bondrostov
                      Women, humiliation .. leave your cliché with you! I will leave for Thailand, my acquaintance has been living there for 6 years and no one humiliates him and local I found myself and everything is fine with him.

                      so run faster, and then the bodies SHOOT for desertion. And you won't find MEAT.
                      Yes, and don't forget: the local army will also call you. when you need it, and you go to fight, with the Chinese, Japanese, etc., and you will not go anywhere, otherwise they will shoot (they will do it right)
        2. -3
          16 November 2020 15: 22
          I think in this case, the answer should be the same .. Why should I or my loved ones die for their super-profits or capital?
          Well, if you don't want to die for "our" capital, you can change your place of residence and die for the American, Polish, Chinese and so on. capital. The capitalists will not let you sit on the sidelines, this is the law of the bourgeoisie.
          1. +3
            16 November 2020 15: 24
            Quote: Tagil
            Well, if you don't want to die for "our" capital, you can change your place of residence and die for the American, Polish, Chinese and so on. capital.

            No ... let them change their place of residence and fight for themselves ... a lot of money, so let them buy an army of mercenaries ... Chinese, Polish and others ..
            1. -8
              16 November 2020 16: 41
              Yep, exactly!
              On the other side, the damned capitalists will sit down - and here we are from the rear, you fighters for justice.
              1. -1
                16 November 2020 23: 01
                Quote: Carte
                and here you are from the rear

                You have fantasies, however.
            2. +3
              16 November 2020 18: 08
              I have not seen a more stupid and ridiculous point of view, but what, then, are you going to live on a separate island, or maybe you will bury yourself in a bunker, this is just the pose of an ostrich - with your head in the sand or my hut on the edge !!!
              1. -2
                17 November 2020 09: 42
                Quote: sgrabik
                I have never seen a more dumb and ridiculous point of view,

                Yes, the people will go to the front (voluntarily / by conscription), and they will proudly sit in the kitchen, "fighting" against the regime.

                But the state car has not gone anywhere and so quickly they will write out a fair ten in Kolyma for desertion
          2. +4
            16 November 2020 21: 36
            Quote: Tagil
            The capitalists will not let you sit on the sidelines, this is the law of the bourgeoisie.

            + + +
            I support. It looks like your message is not understood.
            I understand that the thought that in case of something you will have to defend not only the Motherland, but also the capital and billions of its elite residents, may not seem very pleasant.
            But it's true.
            1. +1
              16 November 2020 21: 38
              Yes, something like that, although it is unpleasant.
            2. +1
              17 November 2020 09: 54
              Quote: Flood
              I understand, the idea that in case of something you will have to defend not only the Motherland, but also the capital and billions of its elite residents,

              capitals and billions do not need such protection: their owners are determined on stock exchanges and markets.

              Homeland, society and family need protection.

              It was the people who always defended, not slavery, serfdom or capitalism.
              1. +1
                17 November 2020 10: 05
                Quote: Olgovich
                Homeland, society and family need protection.

                First, society and family are included in the concept of Motherland.
                Second, I did not say that the Motherland does not need protection.
                Quote: Olgovich
                It was people who always defended, not slavery, serfdom or capitalism

                Then what was the Civil War about?
                Quote: Olgovich
                capitals and billions do not need such protection: their owners are determined on stock exchanges

                Then what were all the bourgeois revolutions, the struggle of the capitalist system with communist ideas about?
                1. -3
                  17 November 2020 11: 38
                  Quote: Flood
                  First, society and family are included in the concept of Motherland.

                  families outside the homeland, do not exist?
                  "A picture in your primer" (c) is also the Motherland.
                  Quote: Flood
                  Then what was the Civil War about?

                  not about the interventions that were discussed: in OV 1812, on the Kulikovo field and near Volokolamsk, they defended the Motherland, not the system.
                  Quote: Flood
                  When were all the bourgeois revolutions, the struggle of the capitalist system against communist ideas about?

                  about the change of the social system from feudalism to capitalism. They have nothing to do with OV1812, PMV, WWII, etc.
                  1. +1
                    17 November 2020 12: 18
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    families outside the homeland, do not exist?

                    Outside the homeland, like the place where you were born and raised - yes, there are.
                    Outside the Motherland, for which you are ready to give your life - no.
                    There are many examples of this.
                    Follow the destinies of numerous emigrants of any nationality.
                    Spelling again: Motherland, people, society, family are inseparable concepts.
                    It is impossible to love the Motherland, but not to love its people.
                    How impossible it is for someone who does not love his relatives, his family to fall in love with the Motherland.
                    And the wording that you used
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Homeland, society and family need protection.

                    is tantamount to a phrase about the need to protect families and children.
                    Children are family, family is Motherland.
                    PS
                    Only in the end I understood your balancing act.
                    Initially, it was about the Motherland.
                    And you started to moralize and spread.
                    1. 0
                      17 November 2020 12: 28
                      Quote: Flood
                      Spelling again: Motherland, people, society, family are inseparable concepts.

                      once again: everyone defends the Motherland, society and family.

                      About homeland:
                      Where does the homeland begin?
                      From the picture in your letter
                      With good and faithful comrades
                      Living in a nearby yard
                      Or maybe it starts
                      From the song that our mother sang to us
                      Since in any tests
                      We do not take anyone away
                      Where does the homeland begin?
                      From the cherished bench at the gate
                      From the same birch tree in the field
                      Bending in the wind grows
                      Or maybe it starts
                      Since the spring funeral of the starling
                      And from this road country
                      Which can not see the end
                      Where does the homeland begin?
                      From the windows burning in the distance
                      Or maybe it starts
                      From the clatter of car wheels
                      And from the vow that in youth
                      You brought her in your heart
                      1. +4
                        17 November 2020 12: 35
                        I sang this song in the days when televisions in most families were black and white.
                        Stop doing empty moralizing.
                  2. +1
                    17 November 2020 12: 23
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    not the interventions in question

                    Curve. It was about the defense of capital by military force.
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    on the change of the social system from feudalism to capitalism

                    Bravo. It turns out that there was feudalism in the Russian Empire until 1917.
                    In fact, in my opinion, we can talk about the protection of capital by political force.
          3. -1
            16 November 2020 22: 55
            hi
            Quote: Tagil
            Well, if you don't want to die for "our" capital, you can change your place of residence and die for the American, Polish, Chinese and so on. capital. The capitalists will not let you sit on the sidelines, this is the law of the bourgeoisie.

            Mayakovsky has a poem called "You", I would bring it here, but I was blocked for it once. Here is the link: https://www.culture.ru/poems/21300/vam Read informatively. What am I talking about, just the same sentiments we will have in less than a year, a more or less serious war. This is neither good nor bad, it just will.
        3. +14
          16 November 2020 15: 43
          First of all, you need to stand up for yourself from the couch. And then they will use you on this couch.
        4. -5
          16 November 2020 18: 02
          We all live in one country, Russia, and we are all responsible for it, for its independence, it is impossible to divide the country into friends and foes, into ours and not ours, otherwise we will sink to complete collapse and disaster !!!
          1. +7
            16 November 2020 21: 03
            Quote: sgrabik
            We all live in one country, Russia, and we are all responsible for it, for its independence,

            It's like fighting covid. While the population is suffering, sick, and maybe those with whose help health care was ruined, earn money on the population - for masks, gloves, fines. Don't you find this strange? It seems like one country, but someone can, and who mows the loot on them
          2. +2
            16 November 2020 22: 45
            Quote: sgrabik
            We all live in one country, Russia, and we are all responsible for it, for its independence, it is impossible to divide the country into friends and foes, into ours and not ours, otherwise we will sink to complete collapse and disaster !!!

            Take the "class approach", it will deprive you of a lot of illusions.
        5. +1
          16 November 2020 23: 05
          Hello Vladimir hi
          Quote: Svarog
          I think in this case, the answer should be the same .. Why should I or my loved ones die for their super-profits or capital?

          But it will be morally difficult to act from the “Leninist” position. Is the other justified?
      4. +8
        16 November 2020 15: 26
        Judging by your rhetoric, you've already scored a place in the policemen.
        1. -14
          16 November 2020 15: 34
          Can I give up my seat, or are you afraid not to have time to follow me in line?
          1. +4
            17 November 2020 07: 21
            I was born in the USSR, so I was brought up correctly. Don't worry, it's your turn too. At the wall.
            1. -3
              17 November 2020 08: 40
              Quote: Varyag71
              I was born in the USSR, so I was brought up correctly. Don't worry, it's your turn too. At the wall.
              Pu and why did you decide that I was not brought up correctly and insulted me by writing to the police?
        2. -1
          16 November 2020 15: 42
          He naively thinks that they will pass by his house and finally bring him the long-awaited freedom.
          So sat the Khataskrains, who were waiting for the Germans, who promised to rid the population of the communist power! hi
          1. -18
            16 November 2020 16: 42
            They won't, really.
            They will come in and take out everything, and they will kill the family - this is the damned capitalist. Why pity him in the name of the people's happiness?
      5. -1
        16 November 2020 15: 27
        Quote: Tagil
        Well, if you and the author get off the couch in the front rows of those going to the front and sit in the trenches, then Russia will win all.

        Maybe it's better not to go to the front? Inside the country, there are plenty of powerful scoundrels.
        1. +1
          16 November 2020 15: 32
          And where are they missing? Have they ever been translated, have anyone ever won them? Maybe you need to appreciate what you have now? Or is everything really bad for you?
          1. +15
            16 November 2020 15: 36
            For me personally, everything is not bad yet, but there is such a thing as "it is insulting for the State", because in reality Russia is no longer considered anything.
            1. -5
              16 November 2020 15: 39
              Well, why so, they just listen to us, if only because we are fulfilling the word we said, and everyone knows that. And when we say that we will fight, these words will also be taken seriously.
            2. +1
              16 November 2020 16: 26
              Quote: lis-ik
              For me personally, everything is not bad yet, but there is such a thing as "it is insulting for the State", because in reality Russia is no longer considered anything.

              But then Russia finish off the Georgians at 08.08 .08. Establish your authority there. And there would be no slaughter in Ukraine, Armenia, Belarus. Why did they stop tanks near Tbilisi? I don't understand .. You didn't have enough strength, there was no money, were you afraid of the sanctions? So a chain of tragedies stretched. PS-Crimea-Sevastopol, Turks -svido ukram, do not take. Not Armenia, Karabakh. Russia ! Russian people live!
              1. +3
                16 November 2020 16: 50
                Quote: 30 vis
                But then Russia finish off the Georgians at 08.08 .08 ...

                This is not where you start.
                1. -6
                  16 November 2020 16: 53
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  Quote: 30 vis
                  But then Russia finish off the Georgians at 08.08 .08 ...

                  This is not where you start.

                  The rope curled from there. How not to twist it! Here cause -not finished off. Here Investigation -Ukra and all the rest of the shit.
                  1. +4
                    16 November 2020 16: 58
                    Quote: 30 vis
                    The rope curled from there. How not to twist it! That's the reason - they didn't finish it off. Here is the consequence -Ukra and all the rest of the shit.

                    "The rope curled" even under Gorbachev, and if you dig deeper, then much earlier. Or do you disagree with the fact that all these are the consequences of the collapse of the USSR?
                    1. +1
                      16 November 2020 17: 04
                      Of course I agree. But you, I think, agree that it would have been possible to prevent these "Maidans" from giving way, had Russia then show more courage and determination! One devil is sitting under sanctions!
                      1. +12
                        16 November 2020 17: 14
                        Quote: 30 vis
                        But you, I think, agree that it would have been possible to prevent these "Maidans" from giving way, had Russia then show more courage and determination! One devil is sitting under sanctions!

                        The Russian people are ready to show both courage and decisiveness, but the authorities have completely different concerns, primarily related to the preservation of their capital in foreign accounts. This is what infuriates.
                      2. 0
                        16 November 2020 18: 06
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Quote: 30 vis
                        But you, I think, agree that it would have been possible to prevent these "Maidans" from giving way, had Russia then show more courage and determination! One devil is sitting under sanctions!

                        The Russian people are ready to show both courage and decisiveness, but the authorities have completely different concerns, primarily related to the preservation of their capital in foreign accounts. This is what infuriates.


                        Those. Do you know many who are ready to just quit their job, leave their family, children and go to fight in Donbass?

                        Considering that he is a simple 35-40 year old man. Served as expected. Perhaps one of the Chechens passed.
                        Never worked in security, security, etc.

                        Do you think that he will break loose and go to fight in the Donbass ????

                        Not...
                        I have acquaintances who have linked their lives with the war.
                        Since the beginning of the 90s.
                        Sumgait and Sukhum - this is how my acquaintance with them began.

                        After the army and in the special forces of the GUINN and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, they went to work so that they could go on "business trips", I will not talk about Wagner, I will say that I do not know anything about this composer. But I'm sure that 5 of my acquaintances are now somewhere.

                        Please stop speaking for everyone.
                        Because this is your phrase: The Russian people are ready to show both courage and determination - should be in the context of "I think, I hope" ...
                      3. +2
                        16 November 2020 18: 17
                        Quote: SovAr238A
                        Because this is your phrase: The Russian people are ready to show both courage and determination - should be in the context of "I think, I hope" ...

                        The Russian (in the broadest sense of the word) people have shown courage and decisiveness more than once or twice, they will have to show more than once. Only this has nothing to do with the oligarchic showdown in Donbas. I'm not talking about the beginning of the conflict, many were ready to go then, and many did. How can the Russian people be associated with mercenaries from any PMC, what are they fighting for their Motherland?
                      4. +1
                        16 November 2020 19: 25
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Quote: SovAr238A
                        Because this is your phrase: The Russian people are ready to show both courage and determination - should be in the context of "I think, I hope" ...

                        The Russian (in the broadest sense of the word) people have shown courage and decisiveness more than once or twice, they will have to show more than once. Only this has nothing to do with the oligarchic showdown in Donbas. I'm not talking about the beginning of the conflict, many were ready to go then, and many did. How can the Russian people be associated with mercenaries from any PMC, what are they fighting for their Motherland?


                        100 years ago.
                        When the Russians were Russians.
                        When no propaganda of the Western way of life has ever taken anyone ...

                        In 1917, “there were about one and a half million deserters from the front. The enemy already had about 2 million soldiers in captivity ...

                        Who were they?
                        Russians or not?

                        So I repeat ...
                        Stop talking for everyone

                        History will curse you and you will spin in a coffin for your lies and criminal arrogance!
                        Well, for stupidity, of course!
                      5. 0
                        16 November 2020 20: 07
                        Quote: SovAr238A
                        History will curse you and you will spin in a coffin for your lies and criminal arrogance!
                        Well, for stupidity, of course!

                        Maybe you remember that in 1941-45, it was the Soviet people who broke the back of fascism. Although I do not understand the essence of our dispute. If you are talking about today, then yes, there will be many Vlasovs and few Matrosovs. Can we do it again? If there is a Soviet people, then yes, if like today, then no. The reasons, I think, are clear.
                      6. +2
                        16 November 2020 20: 34
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Quote: SovAr238A
                        History will curse you and you will spin in a coffin for your lies and criminal arrogance!
                        Well, for stupidity, of course!

                        Maybe you remember that in 1941-45, it was the Soviet people who broke the back of fascism. Although I do not understand the essence of our dispute. If you are talking about today, then yes, there will be many Vlasovs and few Matrosovs. Can we do it again? If there is a Soviet people, then yes, if like today, then no. The reasons, I think, are clear.


                        Will not...
                        I'll tell you right away. that I am 50 years old, my great father died on May 2, 1945 in Austria in Oberwart. on the last day of the war ...

                        But it won't.
                        The new generation is already different.

                        And then. the generation that we are, of course, we will analyze the AK in 25 seconds from the second third time, because the handles are remembered. but nothing more, the belly is already sticking out. and the tail falls off ...

                        And those. who are now half 20-30 - will not go


                        : ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( (((
                      7. -1
                        16 November 2020 20: 38
                        Quote: SovAr238A
                        But it won't.
                        The new generation is already different.

                        Being determines consciousness.
                      8. 0
                        16 November 2020 20: 44
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets

                        Being determines consciousness.


                        When was the last time you visited a modern university?
                      9. 0
                        16 November 2020 20: 52
                        Quote: SovAr238A
                        When was the last time you visited a modern university?

                        Not so long ago I was in a technical school where I started to study. I talked with the director, I know her from my studies. The impressions are painful. Why did you ask?
                      10. +1
                        16 November 2020 23: 47
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Quote: SovAr238A
                        When was the last time you visited a modern university?

                        Not so long ago I was in a technical school where I started to study. I talked with the director, I know her from my studies. The impressions are painful. Why did you ask?


                        Out of 2500 applicants of SamSTU, whom I saw this year, no more than 30 people themselves will go to the military registration and enlistment office ...

                        That's all...
                      11. +2
                        16 November 2020 23: 53
                        Quote: SovAr238A
                        Out of 2500 applicants of SamSTU, whom I saw this year, no more than 30 people themselves will go to the military registration and enlistment office ...

                        And they will most likely go for a reason, but for some reason. Our government leaders have taken RI as a role model, and will get exactly the same thing. There would be a welfare state, at least like the late USSR, the alignment would be completely different.
                      12. -1
                        16 November 2020 23: 33
                        In 1917, “there were about one and a half million deserters from the front.

                        And how many agitators and provocateurs were there in 1917 at the fronts?
                        And how many there were in 1944-45. in the Soviet Army?
                        They could ..., after all, earlier, but after the breakdown of the previous system.
                        The world order is now extremely fragile. Cataclysms and their results are possible. No matter how we treat them.
                      13. -1
                        16 November 2020 23: 54
                        Quote: DED_peer_DED
                        In 1917, “there were about one and a half million deserters from the front.

                        And how many agitators and provocateurs were there in 1917 at the fronts?
                        And how many there were in 1944-45. in the Soviet Army?
                        They could ..., after all, earlier, but after the breakdown of the previous system.
                        The world order is now extremely fragile. Cataclysms and their results are possible. No matter how we treat them.

                        Suddenly...
                        You are really so out of touch with reality. don't you understand the difference between 1941 and 2020?

                        Where do you come from, not of this world?
                        What cocoon do you live in?
                        How old are you?
                        Do you walk the streets?
                        Do you see youth culture?
                        Everyone is in contact there. Instagrammers?
                        Where do tens of thousands of young animals come from in Khabarovsk. Minsk and many other places ...

                        You understand. at least something in the life of those. who is now from 20 dl 35 ???


                        Are you aliens or what?
                      14. 0
                        16 November 2020 23: 59

                        I can't have more questions than you have. I can inadvertently choke. Sorry, for the details ...
                      15. -5
                        17 November 2020 00: 09
                        Quote: DED_peer_DED

                        I can't have more questions than you have. I can inadvertently choke. Sorry, for the details ...

                        Details are of course not needed.
                        Just from the experience of communicating with women of easy virtue, I will probably advise ...
                        probably not necessary to do so deeply.
                        Stay safe.
                        You should also write and write.
                        You were hired for a reason.

                        although what am I talking about.
                        just speculating ...
                      16. +1
                        17 November 2020 00: 11
                        Quote: SovAr238A
                        just speculating ...

                        Do not strain.
                      17. 0
                        16 November 2020 23: 18
                        but the authorities have completely different concerns, primarily related to the preservation of their capital

                        The authorities are now, almost everywhere, the same. Pockets, that's just, they still have different pants, are located. But this is for now.
                    2. +5
                      16 November 2020 17: 43
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      "The rope curled" even under Gorbachev, and if you dig deeper, then much earlier.

                      How and where did Gorbachev appear, an unknown “pawn” “and suddenly became a queen. Nothing just happens.
                      1. 0
                        16 November 2020 17: 59
                        hi
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        How and where did Gorbachev appear, an unknown “pawn” “and suddenly became a queen. Nothing just happens.

                        I think that all these processes began with Khrushchev.
                      2. +10
                        16 November 2020 18: 18
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        I think that all these processes began with Khrushchev.
                        Alexander YAKOVLEV from 1958 to 1959 trained at Columbia University (USA) [1]. During the internship, Yakovlev was in the same group with the KGB officer Oleg Kalugin. Yakovlev's scientific advisor in the United States was the famous David Truman. It was under Khrushchev that the work superintendent of perestroika Yakovlev passed his first educational program on the destruction of the USSR under the leadership of anti-communist David Truman.
                        Famous expressions of Yakovlev:
                        - it is necessary to beat Lenin against Stalin, and then Plekhanov against Lenin;
                        - we broke the back of Soviet power.
                      3. 0
                        16 November 2020 18: 33
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        Alexander YAKOVLEV from 1958 to 1959 trained ...

                        I think that it all started with the abolition of the Stalinist constitution and, accordingly, the removal of the clauses on the dictatorship of the proletariat and much else there. As a result, we got a party bureaucracy independent of the people, which brought us to where we are now.
                      4. 0
                        16 November 2020 23: 35
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        I think that all these processes began with Khrushchev.

                        Or even from Trotsky.
                      5. -1
                        16 November 2020 23: 38
                        Quote: DED_peer_DED
                        Or even from Trotsky.

                        Trotsky, then where?
                      6. -3
                        16 November 2020 23: 40
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Trotsky, then where?

                        Traitor.
                      7. -1
                        16 November 2020 23: 46
                        Quote: DED_peer_DED
                        Traitor.

                        So it is so, only it was a long time ago. And yet we now have a person who, together with the people, the Polovtsy and the Pechenegs won.
                  2. -1
                    16 November 2020 21: 05
                    Quote: 30 vis
                    Here is the reason

                    This is a Swiss accountant at Putin's reception. And after his visit - stop
                2. -2
                  21 November 2020 14: 48
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  This is not where you start.

                  I cannot answer for the author of the statement, but it depends on what is meant by the word "finished off".
                  To paraphrase - having won a military victory, did the Russian Federation use it to the maximum?

                  Let's try to imagine what would be the reaction of the United States if some small country gouged their peacekeepers?
                  What would be the consequences for this country? In 10 years after that, there would be talk about whether to create a Russian base in this country?

                  Remind me what happened to Saddam Hussein? He was hanged. What happened to Gaddafi? He was killed.
                  And what happened to Saakashvili? He has been running all over the world all this time. He performed both in the USA and in Ukraine!

                  It would not be bad that all the puppets, before selling their country by implementing the next scenario, understand that they can finish the same way as their predecessor.
            3. -2
              16 November 2020 16: 56
              After all, in reality, Russia is no longer put in anything.

              You are probably a great diplomat. I see something else: that in the 90s they did not put it, but now they do it.
              And if I'm wrong, then why is Assad still alive, why is South Ossetia not under Georgia, why the DPR didn’t roll out NATO tanks?
              So what about "insulting for the power" is about 91 and 93 ....
              But in 91 the inheritance of the Union was much more, why then were they not counted?
              1. +2
                16 November 2020 19: 57
                Quote: bk316
                After all, in reality, Russia is no longer put in anything.

                You are probably a great diplomat. I see something else: that in the 90s they did not put it, but now they do it.
                And if I'm wrong, then why is Assad still alive, why is South Ossetia not under Georgia, why the DPR didn’t roll out NATO tanks?
                So what about "insulting for the power" is about 91 and 93 ....
                But in 91 the inheritance of the Union was much more, why then were they not counted?


                Your examples are such crap in fact ... gudgeons in front of pikes ...
                1. 0
                  17 November 2020 16: 05
                  this is such crap really ... gudgeons in front of pikes ...

                  still not a diplomat ... laughing
                  I explain.
                  All examples are not pikes and gudgeons, these are REGIONAL issues.
                  That is, the world obviously recognizes that the Russian Federation is the leading regional power in its region.

                  And the fact that the Russian Federation is not a leading world power is obvious.
                  Only one should not be offended by this (there are actually 1-2 such powers now), but be glad that they have risen to this level, because 20 years ago, not only did they not ask about Syria, but calmly discussed how to cut Russia apart. Not in the plans but directly in the order. Give Chechnya, give Tatarstan!
              2. 0
                16 November 2020 21: 17
                Perhaps because Assad, South Ossetia and the DPR have not yet played their part in this performance. They are still needed, so they still exist.
            4. -3
              16 November 2020 18: 15
              That's right, enough of all revolutions and troubles, we must remember about the interests of the Motherland, and not just about our personal pockets, this applies to everyone without exception, and to officials, and to oligarchs, and to ordinary Russian citizens !!!
              1. +4
                16 November 2020 21: 22
                Quote: sgrabik
                That's right, enough of all revolutions and troubles, we must remember about the interests of the Motherland, and not just about our personal pockets, this applies to everyone without exception, and to officials, and to oligarchs, and to ordinary Russian citizens !!!

                Explain to me, sick one, what are my common interests with the oligarchs? I know my homeland, but where is Abramovich's homeland? And Potanin's? And where is the homeland of our senior government officials, if their children and families live abroad? Do they study enemies from the inside? Whose Homeland interests should I remember? Mine or theirs? And yet, finally find out the difference between Maidan and revolution.
      6. +8
        16 November 2020 16: 37
        And you yourself, I suppose, current from the front?
      7. +13
        16 November 2020 16: 47
        Quote: Tagil
        Well, if you and the author get off the couch in the front rows of those going to the front and sit in the trenches, then Russia will win all.

        How did you get the uryakalka already, in fact, you can say something about the commentary? In your opinion, is Russia ready for war? There is no money in the budget, they are no longer the same as the army, they are going to cut civil servants, and you are broadcasting about the war. How much does the war cost? Have you thought about this?
        1. -5
          16 November 2020 17: 07
          And you go somewhere that I call to fight?
          Russia is not ready for war. V.V. Putin has been avoiding confrontation for 20 years. When the Kremlin is forced into war - Georgia (2008), Ukraine (2014), Syria (2015), it tries to “settle”, “stabilize” the situation. There is no victory, just as there is no obvious defeat.
          This infuriates me, if Russia fought for every "offense" of the author, then we would no longer exist.
          1. +13
            16 November 2020 17: 51
            Quote: Tagil
            This infuriates me, if Russia fought for every "offense" of the author, then we would no longer exist.

            It infuriates me that Russia has ineptly squandered all the Soviet backlog and slipped into the category of third-rate powers. As you know, the weak are beaten.
            1. -9
              16 November 2020 17: 54
              Break not build. To destroy the "Khrushchev" is enough 10 kg. spent (if you know where to lay), but it takes time to build it. So what do you want? And I disagree with you. Russia is not a third-rate power, and even in the worst years it was not.
              1. +6
                16 November 2020 18: 04
                Quote: Tagil
                Russia is not a third-rate power, and even in the worst years it was not.

                Today it has become. Thanks to the "great" guides. These are her worst years.
                1. -8
                  16 November 2020 18: 06
                  Why, then, on our streets negros do not go from the US Marine Corps? Probably scary? You're dramatizing.
                  1. +5
                    16 November 2020 18: 10
                    Quote: Tagil
                    Why, then, on our streets negros do not go from the US Marine Corps? Probably scary? You're dramatizing.

                    If the degradation of the economy and education continues at such a pace, then we will see the Turks here. It will only be a matter of time.
                    1. -4
                      16 November 2020 18: 13
                      I agree with degradation. But in my opinion this applies to the whole world. How to fix this for us, I do not know. My conclusions are just my conclusions. I am not competent in this.
                      1. +5
                        16 November 2020 18: 26
                        Quote: Tagil
                        I agree with degradation. But in my opinion this applies to the whole world.

                        China is developing. And in economics, and in education and in medicine. We have already overtaken us in terms of the average salary.
                        Quote: Tagil
                        How to fix this for us, I do not know.

                        Maybe it's worth looking back?
                      2. -7
                        16 November 2020 18: 36
                        China is developing. And in economics, and in education and in medicine. We have already overtaken us in terms of the average salary.
                        Yes, only he had to retreat a little from communism. It's easier for China, there was no hunchback and alcoholic in China.
                        Maybe it's worth looking back?
                        I think so too, but time is lost, personnel are lost, just like the younger generation. We need something new, a new idea.
                      3. +15
                        16 November 2020 19: 09
                        Quote: Tagil
                        I think so too, but time is lost, personnel are lost, just like the younger generation. We need something new, a new idea.


                        There is no other adequate idea other than social justicebut how does it terrify those in power.
                      4. -9
                        16 November 2020 19: 14
                        There is no other adequate idea other than social justice
                        I completely agree, but this justice was not even at the beginning of the USSR. The upper echelons fought for power, first with the Trotskyists and Socialist-Revolutionaries, then the communists among themselves. Maybe in the future something will work out, but you can't change people. Power is too "sweet" word.
                      5. +3
                        16 November 2020 19: 14
                        Quote: Tagil
                        We need something new, a new idea.

                        Quote: Cyril G ...
                        There is no other adequate idea other than social justice, but how does it terrify those in power.

                        You probably can't answer better.
                    2. +4
                      16 November 2020 19: 07
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      degradation of the economy and education


                      Where is THIS not? Hegemon so generally whistled ahead with a margin.
                  2. +7
                    16 November 2020 19: 22
                    Quote: Tagil
                    Why, then, on our streets negros do not go from the US Marine Corps? Probably scary? You're dramatizing.

                    I was in Vilnius. Military negroes from the infantry are already walking. Quite oversized.
                    1. 0
                      16 November 2020 19: 27
                      Naash the kind German host gave us our wonderful old famillias. They are no strangers.
                  3. -1
                    16 November 2020 23: 39
                    Quote: Tagil
                    Why, then, on our streets negros do not go from the US Marine Corps?

                    It's not fashionable now. Now they take it for "soft" and twist it as they want.
              2. +2
                16 November 2020 21: 08
                Quote: Tagil
                To destroy the "Khrushchev" is enough 10 kg. spent (if you know where to lay), but it takes time to build it.

                Stalin made a bomb after the Patriotic War, he could not even build an airplane after 20 years.
          2. +2
            16 November 2020 21: 24
            The art of politics is precisely to defend their interests without resorting to wars. I think you will agree that now there is an obvious tendency for us to lose our positions. Certainly not in everything and everywhere, but on average. Ambitious energy and economic projects are dying out, influence is being lost, we are beginning to lag behind even where we used to be leaders (I'm talking about space exploration, if anything). And "jerks" are given harder and harder. It's not even about being unprepared for war, but about being unprepared for the future.
            1. 0
              16 November 2020 21: 35
              I think you will agree that now there is an obvious tendency for us to lose our positions.
              Tell me, were our positions in the 90s worse or better than now?
              Ambitious energy and economic projects are dying out, influence is being lost, we are starting to lag behind even where we used to be leaders (I'm talking about astronautics, if anything)
              We fly and flew into space, the Americans flew to the ISS themselves just now (understand, before the USSR spoke only of a fait accompli, "Gagarin in space", but they were silent about failures), as well as about projects. Previously, you would have learned about Chkalov's flight to America only when it ended, but if it crashed? Projects started but not finished. Let's see what happens. I'm not a pessimist after all, I believe that we will succeed.
              1. +1
                16 November 2020 21: 49
                In the 90s, we were not perceived by the West as opponents. And now we are exactly the enemies. The difference seems to me in this.

                God grant that if everything works out. I really want you to be right.
                1. -2
                  16 November 2020 21: 53
                  In the 90s, we were not perceived by the West as opponents. And now we are exactly the enemies. The difference seems to me in this.
                  You yourself have answered most of the questions. Before the Second World War, we were also enemies for Europe, but weak, after, enemies but strong. Nothing changed.
              2. -1
                16 November 2020 23: 48
                Tell me, were our positions in the 90s worse or better than now?

                For some reason, I immediately remember:
                Compared to .... year

                1. -1
                  16 November 2020 23: 50
                  That's right, everything is relative. Only everyone does not remember this anymore.
      8. nnm
        -3
        16 November 2020 17: 13
        The Kremlin hides and runs from any conflict, as it feels its weakness in the absence of unity of power, the leading party and the people.

        For some reason, too, when reading such words, I desperately want to send the author, his relatives, friends to knead the November dirt into the trenches, or wait out the winter cold from the dugouts!
        Yes, these lovers of great upheavals for the country have already got it with or without! It feels like they are sleeping with a saber under their combat sofa!
        Give Russia at least a couple of decades of peace to concentrate forces and develop!
        1. -9
          16 November 2020 17: 20
          The worst thing in these words is that people like me, wearing shoulder straps, must fight, but the author is unlikely to end up in the trenches, but you can see it offensive to him from the couch for Russia.
          1. +3
            16 November 2020 18: 05
            Quote: Tagil
            The worst thing in these words is that people like me, wearing shoulder straps, must fight, but the author is unlikely to end up in the trenches, but you can see it offensive to him from the couch for Russia.

            Don't like wearing shoulder straps?
            1. -6
              16 November 2020 18: 09
              No, I do not like that all sorts of Samsonovs talk with their empty tongue, while not knowing anything about the war.
              1. +8
                16 November 2020 18: 22
                Quote: Tagil
                No, I do not like...

                Then why are you groaning, why should you fight?
                Quote: Tagil
                The Samsonovs talk with their empty tongue, while not knowing anything about the war.

                Samsonov, after all, does not call for war, but only states the fact that "not everything is safe in the Kingdom of Denmark."
                1. -1
                  16 November 2020 18: 31
                  Then why are you groaning, why should you fight?
                  War is my profession, and as a military man I cannot refuse to fight, in the end I was taught this.
                  Samsonov, after all, does not call for war, but only states the fact that "not everything is safe in the Kingdom of Denmark."
                  Samsonov sees everything only from his bell tower, and his presentation is distorted, but for some reason all the authors claim infallibility.
                  1. +7
                    16 November 2020 18: 49
                    Quote: Tagil
                    War is my profession, and as a military man I cannot refuse to fight, in the end I was taught this.

                    God grant that you do not have to fight. I am a civilian, and always have been. Even as a warrant officer, I was only a technician, with three soldiers in command.
                    Quote: Tagil
                    Samsonov sees everything only from his bell tower, and his presentation is distorted, but for some reason all the authors claim infallibility.

                    After all, it practically does not touch upon purely military problems. From a political point of view, not all of his conclusions, in my opinion, are correct. But the fact that Russia is losing ground is a fact. The blood of war is money. Until we put things in order in the economy, we will continue to give up our positions.
                    1. -8
                      16 November 2020 18: 53
                      Until we put things in order in the economy, we will continue to give up our positions.
                      You can see for yourself that we are not given this, but I still hope that we will cope. We have always coped and we will manage now. Life is a vest, a stripe is white, a stripe is black. So everything will be fine.
                      1. +8
                        16 November 2020 18: 58
                        Quote: Tagil
                        You can see for yourself that we are not given this, but I still hope that we will cope. We have always coped and we will manage now. Life is a vest, a stripe is white, a stripe is black. So everything will be fine.

                        I'm afraid that I will have to cope as in 1917.
                      2. -9
                        16 November 2020 19: 00
                        It would be better without it. For the 17th year, conditions are needed, but now they are not. And to what system to change?
                      3. +6
                        16 November 2020 19: 06
                        Quote: Tagil
                        It would be better without it.

                        Better is better, just got this mess already. I see no way out. And if nothing is changed, then everything only gets worse.
                      4. -1
                        16 November 2020 19: 24
                        Better is better, just got this mess already. I see no way out. And if nothing is changed, then everything only gets worse.
                        In the 17th year, changing the system, we lost territories (Poland, Finland, Western Belarus, Ukraine, the Baltic states, maybe I forgot something). In 1990 we lost even more and are in a worse position than in 17th. Further we will lose even more. So change, but only very carefully, and this is almost unrealistic. "Partners" will not give.
                      5. +8
                        16 November 2020 19: 56
                        Quote: Tagil
                        In the 17th year, changing the system, we lost territories (Poland, Finland, Western Belarus, Ukraine, the Baltic states, maybe I forgot something)

                        Strictly speaking, they have lost even during the temporary, but not the essence. The Bolsheviks returned almost everything, although this is not the point.
                        Quote: Tagil
                        So change, but only very carefully,

                        Would love to.
                        Quote: Tagil
                        "Partners" will not give.

                        "Partners" in the second place, first of all, will not be given by "privatizers".
                      6. +1
                        16 November 2020 20: 23
                        No "partners". To destroy what is left, they will not miss this opportunity. Better to start a civil war first (reduce the population), and then pick up what is left.
                      7. +5
                        17 November 2020 09: 23
                        it is better to start a civil war first (reduce the population), and then pick up what is left.

                        What for? Covid will handle it for you. And all health care reforms, signed with one hand, only contribute to this. Based on this, personally, I have only one question: for whom does the bunker grandfather work?
                      8. -1
                        17 November 2020 09: 30
                        How I work for whom, for the Martians is it not visible!
                      9. +5
                        17 November 2020 09: 53
                        Sergey, "bunker grandfather" is not about you. You didn’t put your signature on the health care reform, but he did. So I have no questions for you. Let the addressee answer, although given the likelihood of it, my question will most likely remain rhetorical.
                      10. +1
                        16 November 2020 21: 16
                        And now, without changing anything, Russia is losing the Russian people, in 1989 there were 119 million Russians in Russia, in 2010 there were only 111 left, and the losses abroad are generally catastrophic, so many Russians did not lose people even in the war.
                      11. -1
                        16 November 2020 21: 25
                        Well, how to change and what to change and to whom to change. I am in favor, but I would like to hear something adequate.
                      12. +3
                        17 November 2020 08: 34
                        Under the USSR, there was a regime in which people were not afraid to give birth and believed in the future. And today - the country has the highest level of social inequality, 10% of citizens control 90% of the national wealth of the Russian Federation.
                        Pay attention to the graph above - this is the total property of Forbes billionaires in% of national income for different countries.
                      13. -1
                        17 November 2020 08: 45
                        Only you have forgotten where the current system came from, and who were in the union, these 10% of citizens who have everything. It's a pity, but the comrades who considered themselves communists and Komsomol members have traded our future for their korman.
                      14. +4
                        17 November 2020 09: 21
                        So change, but only very carefully, and this is almost unrealistic. "Partners" will not give.

                        Based on your words, it is better not to do anything at all, it still will not work. What do I suppose in the Kremlin exactly the same opinion, tk. the results of their "inaction" are quite obvious.
                      15. -1
                        17 November 2020 09: 27
                        What do I suppose in the Kremlin exactly the same opinion, tk. the results of their "inaction" are quite obvious.
                        Inaction of what? What is not being done in our country? The army is not being raised, the economy is not being moved, hospitals and stadiums are not being built? Maybe first, to start doing something, you need to achieve that the "partners" are afraid to even think to interfere with us?
                      16. +4
                        17 November 2020 10: 13
                        Inaction of what? What is not being done in our country? The army is not being raised, the economy is not being moved, hospitals and stadiums are not being built?

                        The army is not raised, the army is supported. This is how they say in Odessa: "Two big differences." Although I am a purely civilian person, by virtue of my competence I am an "interested person", and therefore I know what I am talking about. I've only been reading VO for more than 10 years and this is not my only source of information.

                        The economy is not being moved - it is being pushed in. In my area, the massive collapse of production facilities did not even take place in the distant and already semi-mythical 90s, but in 2008. And the revival of the lost industries did not follow (except for the opening of shopping centers on the site).

                        Hospitals are not being built. Or they build one to close the heels of others. Optimization-s. So, for example, it was with the regional perinotal center: they opened one hospital, optimized the bed of maternity hospitals in the districts. And do not care that a woman on the 9th month on our ideal roads will still need to somehow shake up to this very center, while before she had her own hospital nearby, albeit an old, poor one, but her own and help there could "timely". I already keep silent that in the districts with new buildings I promise to build a polyclinic for the second five-year plan, and the school was hardly introduced until this year.

                        Stadiums are being built locally in the most convenient directions, where it is not profitable, they are not being built. In our region, it is apparently not profitable. Well, the market has decided, nothing can be done about it. And who needs those stadiums now.

                        I watch life not from the TV screen and not from the window of my own car, so I have very specific examples from the harsh reality of such victorious reports. If you are in our area I can even arrange an excursion. We have here a whole avenue of achievements in the national economy, although it is now abandoned and dilapidated. The impression is made by something else. At least no one has left indifferently yet.

                        Maybe first, to start doing something, you need to achieve that the "partners" are afraid to even think to interfere with us?

                        You know, just no kidding, I would love to look at the script for solving this issue for your authorship. Surely there would be a lot to discuss, but isn't truth born in a dispute?
                  2. 0
                    16 November 2020 21: 10
                    Quote: Tagil
                    his presentation is distorted

                    Stunned! Maybe you sat too long in the last century with your ideas?
                    1. 0
                      16 November 2020 21: 18
                      Listen Sylvester, I understand that shit is much easier than saying something smart. If you do not like the country in which you live, try to change it, just not at meetings and chats.
                      1. +1
                        16 November 2020 22: 03
                        Quote: Tagil
                        that shit is much easier than saying something smart.

                        In fact, there are objections? - No.
                        Bubbles blow up against the written by the author is your everything!
                        Quote: Tagil
                        If you do not like the country in which you live, try to change it, just not at meetings and chats.

                        And this is already a call to overthrow the government. I hate thieves and blockheads in power. Breakthroughs and successes over the past 20 years, please, indicate?
                      2. -1
                        16 November 2020 22: 16
                        And this is already a call to overthrow the government. I hate thieves and blockheads in power. Breakthroughs and successes over the past 20 years, please, indicate?
                        Honestly, you already got it. The power will somehow survive my impulses, like your statements against it, it has been captured by Putin, and he is a despot and a usurper, only the camp does not threaten you for some reason, near Navalny is the very place. You will find outbursts of power for 20 years, the Internet is big. Well, go catch the thieves, the police will appreciate your impulse. But to catch is not to use your tongue, yes.
                      3. +3
                        16 November 2020 22: 37
                        Quote: Tagil
                        Honestly, you already got it.

                        You got it along with the authorities. Only the power in Russia has been changing forward for centuries, which I look forward to
                      4. +1
                        16 November 2020 22: 42
                        You are evil Sylvester. Only after the change of power is another half of the country carried forward.
          2. +1
            17 November 2020 08: 05
            "The worst thing in these words is that people like me, wearing shoulder straps, should fight, but the author is unlikely to end up in the trenches, but you can see it offensive to him from the couch for Russia."
            As I understand it, you are a professional military man, since you are wearing shoulder straps? Your homeland has been feeding you, dressing, treating and giving you a pension at 40 and housing for demobilization for so many years, and that is why it requires only one thing from you - to fight for it. This is your duty. Eating another can of stew, remember - right now they have forged a bullet for you , somewhere in the states, and it is your duty to know this and wait for this bullet. but I won't end up in the trenches, old already, if only in the partisans
            1. +1
              17 November 2020 08: 33
              All that you said I know and knew when dressing a uniform.
              1. +2
                17 November 2020 17: 09
                "Everything that you said I know and knew when wearing a uniform"
                Well then, don't make yourself a hero. freebies need to be worked out, including in the trenches
        2. +1
          16 November 2020 18: 21
          Quote: nnm
          Give Russia at least a couple of decades of peace to concentrate forces and develop!

          What did Alexander III and Stolypin talk about?
        3. -1
          16 November 2020 19: 11
          Quote: nnm
          Reading such words, I desperately want to send the author, his family and friends to knead the November dirt into the trenches, or wait out the winter cold from the dugouts!

          I support this approach to solving the issue!

          The worst thing in these words is that people like me, wearing shoulder straps, must fight, but the author is unlikely to end up in the trenches, but you can see it offensive to him from the couch for Russia.

          The author is above that! He "rules the fronts" (p.)
          1. +2
            17 November 2020 09: 33
            Namesake, no offense, but why Turkey can afford to openly harness for Azrebaidzhan, while we cannot for Dondbass, confining ourselves to the vague "we are not responsible for the vacationers"? That our military business is worse or our men are made of less strong material than the "hot southern guys". No, even it seems to be the opposite, they were always beaten. But we cannot, and therefore we are weaker and we recognize this weakness. It is not only a matter of war here, but also politics.
            1. 0
              17 November 2020 10: 43
              Quote: Dante
              We cannot stand for Donbass, confining ourselves to the vague "we are not responsible for the vacationers"?


              I can not answer this question. And yes, in general, I agree with you. However, we do not see the whole picture either. Politics.
            2. +3
              17 November 2020 17: 15
              "But we cannot, and therefore we are weaker and we recognize this weakness"
              we may not be weaker, but our authorities cannot use force against partners. those who have nothing are not afraid of losing something, but those who have money and power will go for anything in order not to lose it. but it is not we who decide, but they, and they do everything that would be good for them, not for us
      9. +6
        16 November 2020 17: 45
        It was interesting to know why. No idea, no people. There is a rotten ear of power. It turns out to be a swamp.
      10. +4
        16 November 2020 19: 54
        the question is not about the readiness of the Army and the Navy - but about the readiness to carry the hardships and deprivation of war in the rear of the collective Mary Ivanovna - will women (no longer women) "plow on themselves"? letting men go to war - THEIR, WOMEN'S PSYCHOLOGY - THE COUNTRY'S WILL BE READY FOR WAR. to give birth again, to replace the dead.
        everything else is an oral account, corvettes and the number of tanks with cartridges and dry rations, for first graders.
      11. 0
        16 November 2020 21: 16
        Urrra, for Gazprom! For Abramovich's yacht! Give ... Hurray!
      12. +1
        17 November 2020 07: 59
        And what does the front have to do with it !!! ??? If our brains do not have enough production in the country to establish, to make import substitution, to build a dialogue with other countries competently, everyone is pissed away thieves are trading in oil !!! Nato tam. Further legs someone does not piss on the go!
      13. -1
        17 November 2020 08: 42
        Quote: Tagil
        Well, if you and the author get off the couch in the front rows of those going to the front and sit in the trenches, then Russia will win all.

        Frozen pregnancy is a serious danger to health and life.
      14. +2
        17 November 2020 12: 56
        For whom to go for people who already do not fit into the plasma, or for promises that are not fulfilled and there is no money as always. The author correctly stated everything along the borders of Russia create instability, but we can not do anything, because as we depended on the West, we are still dependent in the field of technology, sanctions, oil, etc. and no one wants to get away from this, the moneybags eliminate everything, they have enough.
      15. 0
        19 November 2020 08: 11
        Quote: Tagil
        Well, if you and the author get off the couch in the front rows of those going to the front and sit in the trenches, then Russia will win all.

        By yourself! All by yourself!
        The Armenians have added to the list of those to whom the Russian Federation owes nothing ... laughing
      16. 0
        19 November 2020 18: 18
        Tagil (Sergei) Tuta some do not remember the proverb three thousand years ago - a bad peace is better than a good war. Based on what happened to Armenia, they impose on Russia. This is how to compare the situation in an anecdote. The old lord comes to the doctor and says - he married a young girl and I want children. A year passed and the lord told the doctor the baby was born. Then the doctor told an anecdote. An old man is walking in Africa and a lion comes across to him. Then the old man raised his cane, pointed it at the lion and said Poo, the lion fell down dead. And when the old man turned around, he saw that behind him was a hunter with a real gun. So, a grandfather at 80 thinks - if I don't, then that guy at 30, of course, also shouldn't. Once they beat Armenia, they will beat Russia. Once Hitler captured Europe in a month, he would capture the USSR in two months.
    2. +1
      16 November 2020 15: 09
      Lyosha, tie everything up with yours.
      Russia is Me, and You too! Everyone who came to us - Everyone is buried here, We have a lot of Earth - we'll dig the next ones too!
      Hi!
      1. -1
        16 November 2020 15: 14
        Abramovich's yacht has enough room for everyone ...float away
        1. +10
          16 November 2020 15: 37
          It would be better of course- "THEY DROWNED"
          1. +6
            16 November 2020 15: 38
            Onozh ...not drowning
        2. KCA
          -3
          16 November 2020 15: 59
          Abramovich sold Rosneft to the state, worked as a governor, fed Chukotka for his own money, threw Berezovsky on the grandmother, has the right to a yacht, but what does everyone remember him? Is he a citizen of Russia or Great Britain, by the way?
          1. +1
            16 November 2020 17: 54
            Holy man Abramovich ..........))
        3. -1
          16 November 2020 18: 22
          Quote: SaLaR
          There is enough space for everyone on Abramovich's yacht ...

          If you have time.
          1. -1
            16 November 2020 18: 24
            They will have time ... and we will take the rap ...
      2. +16
        16 November 2020 16: 03
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Everyone who came to us - Everyone is buried here, We have a lot of Earth - we'll dig the next ones too!

        Loud slogans. The oligarchs and state capitalism have come to us .. Are you going to bury them, or will you peacefully coexist with them?
      3. +22
        16 November 2020 16: 21
        I would not be so optimistic. For in the coming war - why should the people crawl under the tanks? Everything will be like in WWI - everyone will simply spit and go home, stupidly refusing to defend such power. For to die for the thief who stole the country - bad nema .. Last time - Russia was able to pull out the Bolsheviks. It remains only to pray that this time they will be found. Otherwise, with such rulers, we are all definitely kirdyk ..
      4. +7
        16 November 2020 16: 55
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Lyosha, tie everything up with yours.
        Russia is Me, and You too! Everyone who came to us - Everyone is buried here, We have a lot of Earth - we'll dig the next ones too!
        Hi!

        Alexey, in our history there were not only heroic victories, but also shameful defeats. Today we are categorically not ready for war. The war is primarily about the economy and finance, and you can see how it is on this front.
    3. +16
      16 November 2020 15: 16
      There is no victory, just as there is no obvious defeat. At the exit, we get zones, "fronts" where the problem is not solved, but only postponed. As in Donbass, in Ukraine as a whole.

      When there is no victory, it is already a defeat. For a frozen, smoldering conflict drains resources, and the more such conflicts along the perimeter, the more dangerous the situation is.
      As noted above, Turkey has again burst into the former sphere of our influence. Three hundred years of military-political efforts and a lot of blood of the Russian people in the Caucasus - the Kremlin "bargained" for three decades.

      Now it is already obvious to many that the king is naked ..
      1. +22
        16 November 2020 16: 21
        Now it is already obvious to many that the king is naked ..


      2. +21
        16 November 2020 16: 46
        Outdated information, but clear:

        Well, add "patriotism": you have to fight for something:
        1. +7
          16 November 2020 17: 17
          Yes, everything is "easier and easier for me to live" in that country. Every day I receive notifications about the "relief" of my ̶k̶a̶r̶m̶a̶n̶a̶ life. Here's right, literally, now:
          On Monday, November 16, it became known that in St. Petersburg the metro fare may rise. The corresponding draft resolution of the tariff committee was published on the administration website.

          According to the document, the fare will rise to 60 rubles. This is how much a one-time trip to the metro will cost using a token. The price of hand luggage is still unknown - for one piece in excess of the established norms.

          Also, it is not known how the fares for the carriers of "Plantain" will change.

          https://news.mail.ru/economics/44172437/?frommail=1
          1. +10
            16 November 2020 17: 46
            Colleague hi,
            and not figs on Peter fumble! We must go to Putin's fronts or crawl to the cemetery.smile
    4. -17
      16 November 2020 15: 20
      With such "rulers" Russia is not ready for anything. Unless only for the sale of the latter.

      We have you dear. We will win with you. Well, if you tear off zh2py from the sofa.
    5. +1
      16 November 2020 15: 36
      Lexus, from time immemorial it has become a tradition that Russia was not ready for this or that war, but quite often Russia turned out to be the winner, or among the winners! I will not hide, and lost as the Russian-Japanese war of 1904-1905, but then, years later, "the debt" was returned in full! And, as always, thanks to our people, their desire to live as they please, but not as slaves!
      1. +4
        16 November 2020 15: 39
        I have a couple of hats in the attic ...give?
      2. +13
        16 November 2020 17: 34
        Quote: Thrifty
        Lexus, from time immemorial it has become a tradition that Russia was not ready for this or that war, but quite often Russia turned out to be the winner, or among the winners! I will not hide, and lost as the Russian-Japanese war of 1904-1905, but then, years later, "the debt" was returned in full! And, as always, thanks to our people, their desire to live as they please, but not as slaves!


        Could we fight the Japanese and the Germans on two fronts?
        And with all their armada, which captured almost the entire Southeast Asia?

        I don't think they could.

        And the "favor" that we supposedly returned was in fact a beating.
        Twice as many soldiers, and all veterans, and not like the Japanese, old men and young people.
        Five or six times more equipment.
        Therefore, the Japanese army was defeated in 12 days.


        Of course, you can pull phrases out of context - but this is not so pretentious and fabulous.

        Of course, you can and should be proud of the memory of your ancestors!

        But
        Since then, military affairs have gone far ahead.

        There is no longer a mob reserve system.
        It is no longer possible to launch enterprises on a war footing.
        Evacuate the plant to the Urals?
        Who will it help?
        Now even conventional weapons have a range. which shoots through our huge country up and down.

        There hasn't been a major war of attrition in the past 35 years.
        The last were Iran and Iraq.

        Everything shows that in the event of war, you will have to fight only with what the troops already have.
        And that's all.
        even 5 planes will not have time to build.
        They won't have time to build a single ship.
        A maximum of a dozen tanks and infantry fighting vehicles.
        We are now building 1 combat aircraft for 4 months, the name of 1000 suppliers all over the country.
        And there won't be this supplier? there will be no plane.
        Everything is the same with tanks and infantry fighting vehicles.
        learn to think with your head - and not throw slogans.

        We have 250 aircraft in service - and count on them.
        No longer.

        And the infantry, like cannon fodder, does not solve anything in principle right now.
        Nothing at all. From the word zero.
        Only take positions that were previously destroyed by someone to zero.
        Designate!
        1. 0
          16 November 2020 19: 18
          Quote: SovAr238A
          Could we fight the Japanese and the Germans on two fronts?
          And with all their armada, which captured almost the entire Southeast Asia?

          I don't think they could.


          Actually, I could. Cruisers do not travel along the railway and do not climb hills .... And by the way, do not cry so much about the powerlessness of the Kwantung Army. This is not nearly so. Another question, they basically did not think that you can fight like this !!! Yes, and the expense of the Japanese personnel, in principle, is not comparable. Losses during the island campaign and in the Philippines are really scanty.
          1. -2
            16 November 2020 19: 46
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Quote: SovAr238A
            Could we fight the Japanese and the Germans on two fronts?
            And with all their armada, which captured almost the entire Southeast Asia?

            I don't think they could.


            Actually, I could. Cruisers do not travel along the railway and do not climb hills .... And by the way, do not cry so much about the powerlessness of the Kwantung Army. This is not nearly so. Another question, they basically did not think that you can fight like this !!! Yes, and the expense of the Japanese personnel, in principle, is not comparable. Losses during the island campaign and in the Philippines are really scanty.


            Don't underestimate the Far East.
            This is the misfortune of all superficial historians.

            The same Far Eastern Lend-Lease - was many times more important than the Atlantic ...
            They just did not write books and poems about him.
            Through the Far East, only military equipment, strategic materials, food products arrived in the USSR 3 times more than through the Atlantic.
            I mean only sea transportation.
            Are you talking about some kind of cruiser ????


            All Soviet orders for delivery through the Far East were carried out with an accuracy of 3 weeks - and not 90 days, as was the case in the Atlantic.

            About 8 thousand combat aircraft were delivered to us on their own.
            Through the Far East and Siberia.

            Do you understand that if the Japanese opened a war on the second front, they would calmly reach Novosibirsk ????
            And we wouldn't have half of the country.
            Just because. that there were very few of our troops and we simply would not have coped with a war on 2 fronts.

            And there wouldn't be those 8 thousand planes.
            there would be no 40 frigates that the Americans gave us.
            there would be no thousands of our tanks. since without alloying elements, our metallurgy could not have made armor even for 1 tank ...
            The fact that almost all aviation gasoline was American and went exactly through the Far East?
            And what would you do without aviation on the western front?
            No tanks, no stew, no oil for technology, no tobacco and smoking paper, no drinking alcohol?
            Never mind...
            Our Country would simply be torn apart. if Japan entered the war on a full scale!
            1. -1
              16 November 2020 19: 55
              Quote: SovAr238A
              This is the misfortune of all superficial historians.

              The trouble of superficial "historians" like you is in completely denying the lessons of the Chinese company and the peculiarities of the Far Eastern theater of operations

              Quote: SovAr238A
              there would be no 40 frigates that the Americans gave us.

              Well, there wouldn't be any of them

              Quote: SovAr238A
              The fact that almost all aviation gasoline was American and went exactly through the Far East?


              It's not that close.
              Moreover, I will tell you that the Lend-Lease, as something more or less serious, did not go until 1943, imported aviation gasoline went to imported aircraft, etc. etc.

              All Soviet orders for delivery through the Far East were carried out with an accuracy of 3 weeks - and not 90 days, as was the case in the Atlantic.

              Transsib transshipment was successfully devouring this profit. That is why the Atlantic route was so important
              1. 0
                16 November 2020 20: 16
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                Quote: SovAr238A
                This is the misfortune of all superficial historians.

                The trouble of superficial "historians" like you is in completely denying the lessons of the Chinese company and the peculiarities of the Far Eastern theater of operations

                Quote: SovAr238A
                there would be no 40 frigates that the Americans gave us.

                Well, there wouldn't be any of them

                Quote: SovAr238A
                The fact that almost all aviation gasoline was American and went exactly through the Far East?


                It's not that close.
                Moreover, I will tell you that the Lend-Lease, as something more or less serious, did not go until 1943, imported aviation gasoline went to imported aircraft, etc. etc.

                All Soviet orders for delivery through the Far East were carried out with an accuracy of 3 weeks - and not 90 days, as was the case in the Atlantic.

                Transsib transshipment was successfully devouring this profit. That is why the Atlantic route was so important


                Come on? Those. armor steel without hundreds of thousands of tons of nickel. manganese. chromium, vanadium - could it be done?
                Do you really think so?
                Yes, not a single tank would have come out without supplies from America, because our reserves were at zero ...
                350 thousand trucks?
                Nothing?
                The entire rear, supporting the front, was on Lend-Lease trucks, and not on the ZIS-5, of which about 80 thousand were produced during the war.
                And what is a front without a rear? nothing. Zero without a stick !!!!
                You put yourself as a former military man - why such illiteracy in understanding the simplest foundations of military affairs?
                We have produced 63 thousand aircraft, and we have delivered 19 thousand helicopters.
                It's nothing?
                Every fourth plane was Lend-Lease ...
                About the fact that it was from America that planting materials for collective farms came - you don't even know about it ...
                Have you ever wondered how the food supply was created for the entire population of the country? And what she could do in the face of losses of Ukrainian granaries. if you understand. that before the virgin lands it was still 20 years almost ... ???
                You survived precisely due to Lend-Lease.
                They gave us seed. they gave us calves, chicken eggs for broilers ... Military equipment is important, but food during the war is a hundred times more important.
                And even if our poultry farms and dairies worked, it was only because under the Lend-Lease they gave us sperm, calves, piglets and eggs ...
                And the war was won also for this reason, that both people and soldiers had something to eat and something to fight ...
                The service of the rear at certain moments is a hundred times more important than that of the front.

                And yes.
                The letters went on the Transsib for 20 days - no transshipment slowed down anything.
                as if from Arkhangelsk it was much faster ...
                I am familiar with the railway.
                The way from Samara to Naberezhnye Chelny (500 km) by freight train takes 6-7 days., Moscow (1100 km) - 6-7 days, Novosibirsk (3000 km) - 8-10 days ... See for yourself the dependence of distance and speed.
                1. 0
                  16 November 2020 21: 33
                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  no transshipment slowed down anything.
                  as if from Arkhangelsk it was much faster ...

                  A naive Chukchi youth. From Arkhangelsk it was just instant compared to the Far East. It could not be otherwise.

                  We have produced 63 thousand aircraft, and we have delivered 19 thousand helicopters.

                  As usual, you do not know how it was there in reality .... We have not built 63 thousand aircraft, if anything.

                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  You survived precisely due to Lend-Lease.

                  Are you not us?

                  why such illiteracy in understanding the simplest foundations of military affairs?

                  You are correct about yourself. Besides, you don't know how to communicate.
                  Since you are hurricane sclerosis, I do not remember. We stopped the Nazis and turned the tide of events with a minimal Lend-Lease. He barely flickered there. And about supplies to the Far East, I think you are fantasizing
                  The entire rear, supporting the front, was on Lend-Lease trucks, and not on the ZIS-5, of which about 80 thousand were produced during the war.

                  You do not know how many trucks the USSR had at the beginning of the war. And not in the subject of the word at all.

                  Come on? Those. armor steel without hundreds of thousands of tons of nickel. manganese. chromium, vanadium - could it be done? Do you really think so?

                  I wonder where I said that? You are a noble dreamer. Themselves for the opponent came up with arguments and brilliantly exposed them. Cool.
                  Let me remind you that I just said without supplies the USSR would not have remained if the route through Vladik collapsed. And you probably do not know what kind of sword dance were delivered to the Far East. So I will explain, since you cannot master what you read. When delivering goods to the Far East, some of the transports went through the Kuril Straits with very high risk and losses, some reached Petropavlovsk, where they were transshipped to Ust-Bolsheretsk. And pushing cargo along the Transsib was an extremely difficult event.

                  Yes, not a single tank would have come out without supplies from America, because our reserves were at zero ...


                  This is a case of so-called lies. Study the fundamental works on the activities of the defense industry during the war years and supplies according to L-L and a separate article on buying for currency ... Where, when, how much, etc.
        2. -1
          16 November 2020 21: 35
          Yes you are right. Very sober assessment
      3. +19
        17 November 2020 15: 27
        Quote: Thrifty
        but quite often Russia turned out to be the winner, or even among the winners!

        at what cost! How many dead!
    6. -2
      16 November 2020 16: 09
      [quote = Lexus] With such "rulers" Russia is not ready for anything. Unless only for the sale of the latter. [/ Quote]
      And more specifically, can you say something or name the rulers who were ready to repel the attacker?
      It is known that Russia was more than once invaded by the Mongols, fought, became dependent and only then threw off the yoke.
      The Poles occupied Moscow at one time, but they were defeated and made their way home. It was the same with the French and their coalition in 1812.
      After the First World War, the former Russian Empire was torn apart by a pack of Western dogs, some having chopped off a piece for themselves, some robbed and got out with the loot, but the pieces of the former empire were later returned thanks to the heroism of the Soviet people.
      Hitlerite Germany, together with allies and hangers-on, invaded the USSR in 1941, but was subsequently defeated and surrendered.
      So, you have outlined a solid era, choose from it the most worthy, whom contemporaries did not later blame for weakness and unpreparedness for war.

      [/ quote] When the Kremlin is forced into war - Georgia (2008), Ukraine (2014), Syria (2015), it tries to "settle", "stabilize" the situation. There is no victory, just as there is no obvious defeat. [/ Quote]
      The author did not explain what he expected from the listed companies. Russia, which was supposed to re-include Georgia and Ukraine, and at the same time Syria, or maybe put its governors at the head of these countries and support the power with bayonets?
      Given the presence in these countries of a huge number of opponents of Russia, any of the listed options looks simply utopian.
      1. +1
        16 November 2020 19: 19
        Quote: credo
        The author did not explain what he expected from the listed companies. Russia, which was supposed to re-include Georgia and Ukraine, and at the same time Syria, or maybe put its governors at the head of these countries and support the power with bayonets?


        It's a mystery to me too
    7. +16
      16 November 2020 16: 16
      The question is not in personalities, but in the state system. Bourgeois - under any president, the country will screw up. What we clearly see. And only Soviet power can save us all. Just like 100 years ago .. The sooner we understand this, the less we lose ..
      1. -10
        16 November 2020 16: 32
        Quote: paul3390
        The question is not in personalities, but in the state system. Bourgeois - under any president, the country will screw up. What we clearly see. And only Soviet power can save us all. Just like 100 years ago .. The sooner we understand this, the less we lose ..

        Have you forgotten who destroyed the great and mighty USSR?
        So I will remind you - the Soviet government, together with the "fiery and incorruptible" Bolshevik Communists, Komsomol "leaders" and trade union "leaders".
        Looking at today's communists, socialists and liberal democrats in the State Duma, we can safely say that the arrival of Soviet power 2.0 in our country and with such "leaders"
        will turn into a real catastrophe, which the country certainly will not survive, therefore if something is created on the ruins of the USSR, then it is definitely not Soviet power, since she discredited herself completely and has no faith.
        1. +17
          16 November 2020 16: 37
          And who said that the Communist Party is a communist party ??? No.
          As for Soviet power, isn't it funny yourself? Until now, we can’t devour her mighty legacy, despite all our efforts .. And to the same place, I discredited it .. That’s why I look like Comrade Stalin, the further we go, the more we are honored by the people. Despite all the tubs of dirt that the Soviet Union is trying to pour on him. Only liberal bastards can not believe in the future of socialism. And write such nonsense.
          1. -12
            16 November 2020 16: 53
            Quote: paul3390
            And who said that the Communist Party is a communist party ??? No.
            As for Soviet power, isn't it funny yourself? Until now, we can’t devour her mighty legacy, despite all our efforts .. And to the same place, I discredited it .. That’s why I look like Comrade Stalin, the further we go, the more we are honored by the people. Despite all the tubs of dirt that the Soviet Union is trying to pour on him. Only liberal bastards can not believe in the future of socialism. And write such nonsense.

            Before writing about the shitheads, it may be worth looking around you and counting the number of those who are ready to build socialism, as you imagine it, together with you.
            I advise you to formulate your program for the future and publish it, and we will see what is nonsense in it, and what is really feasible.
            Just take care of yourself and your nerves, because I suppose there will be many questions to your program, especially in light of the known facts that led to the death of the first state of the Soviets.
            1. +8
              16 November 2020 20: 25
              Quote: credo
              Before writing about the shitheads, it may be worth looking around you and counting the number of those who are ready to build socialism, as you imagine it, together with you.

              Just count the number of cons of those who pour slop on the USSR. Maybe then you will understand that there is a great demand for social justice in society.
              Quote: credo
              I advise you to formulate your program for the future and publish it, and we will see what is nonsense in it, and what is really feasible.

              Are you an expert in state building?
              1. -3
                16 November 2020 20: 53
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Quote: credo
                Before writing about the shitheads, it may be worth looking around you and counting the number of those who are ready to build socialism, as you imagine it, together with you.

                Just count the number of cons of those who pour slop on the USSR. Maybe then you will understand that there is a great demand for social justice in society.
                Quote: credo
                I advise you to formulate your program for the future and publish it, and we will see what is nonsense in it, and what is really feasible.

                Are you an expert in state building?

                Ha ha ha, yes, you are like a teenager who checks his opinion against the number of positive likes.
                Learn to look realistically at life and evaluate not only positive but also negative facts from the life of the USSR, maybe then you will understand that the ancient wisdom - You cannot enter the same river twice - also applies to the USSR, therefore, you need to draw conclusions from the fact of its death and not rave gone.
                In any society, there is a great demand for social justice, but this does not mean that it needs to be achieved in a revolutionary way, as in October 1917. We already went through this and drowned in blood. We need to look for another way, experiment, try, and not torment the past, picking it out to pain.
                1. +4
                  16 November 2020 21: 24
                  Quote: credo
                  rather than tormenting the past, picking it out to the point of pain.

                  Yes Yes. Understand and forgive.
          2. -3
            17 November 2020 16: 20
            Communism won't pass
            1. +1
              17 November 2020 16: 23
              Repeat a couple of dozen more times - maybe you will believe it and it will feel better ..
    8. -1
      16 November 2020 16: 37
      General Staff, call the author urgently, otherwise it will be too late !!!
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    10. +2
      16 November 2020 16: 50
      bullshit, why should we react like that to any nonsense? We have Kuz'ka's mother, she will take care of everything.
    11. 0
      16 November 2020 17: 35
      The current ruler is better than the previous ones, the best there is now, not the fact that someone will be better in the future
      1. +1
        17 November 2020 09: 39
        The current ruler is better than the previous ones, the best there is now, not the fact that someone will be better in the future

        Remember the anecdote about the blonde on the Arbat? Here it is also: maybe it will be better, maybe not. The probability is 50 to 50. But until we try, we won't know. Fortunately, this "leader" is not eternal.
        Threat, well, about the fact that the current one is better than the previous ones - it depends on whom you will compare with, it all depends purely on your personal knowledge.
    12. +1
      17 November 2020 07: 51
      Quote: lexus
      With such "rulers" Russia is not ready for anything

      Enough ABOUT. Why are the "rulers" of Russia not happy with you? Moreover, you yourself choose them ...
    13. 0
      21 November 2020 21: 41
      And what have you got to the bottom of the rulers ?? Only they are there in the country ?? And what have you been doing all these years? And what has everyone in the country been doing these years? Let's be honest - many people liked it and many were satisfied - the old generation flattered their pride and were fed by the state. For security officials - additional ration and influence. All who decided were in business.

      So it is not necessary to scold the authorities and the youth as is customary. It's all just *****. And pensioners, as they were touched, immediately ran. And officials - the layoffs have just begun, if the machine is working, it has a very large inertia, many will be laid off.
      And remember before - "Road to the young!"
      And what will they say about you ?? And they will say the time of reinforced concrete assholes. Well, - sit further on warm chairs, just do not shout - that you were not involved in the fall.

      Now we need to ask ourselves the question - who will fix everything, who will be able to and who knows how?
  2. +2
    16 November 2020 15: 08
    In my opinion, the last paragraph describes the state of affairs very correctly. Let us remember when in 91 Russia, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, was playing with vouchers, all other republics threw themselves into nationalism, where they are still arriving. And the Russian authorities especially do not want to correct the situation; they probably count money out of habit.
  3. +10
    16 November 2020 15: 09
    In fact, now Russia finds itself in the situation of 1904 and 1914. Shameful failures in the war with Japan. The heroism of Russian soldiers and sailors did not evoke any positive response in Russian society, on the contrary, among the students, only criticism. Hurray-patriotic frenzy at the beginning of the war with Germany, and then the complete collapse and disintegration of Russian society. Military failures triggered the collapse of the empire.
    I'm just trying to understand what has to do with the current life and situation and I can't understand)
    what war ... with what Turkish empire ...
    1. +3
      16 November 2020 15: 31
      Quote: carstorm 11
      I'm just trying to understand what has to do with the current life and situation and I can't understand)

      in vain. In my opinion, it is useless to look for a reasonable grain in this hysterical whining of a group of comrades under the nickname "Samsonov". What are they, interestingly, feeding their cockroaches in their heads?
      1. KCA
        -13
        16 November 2020 16: 05
        Nick Samsonov is he in honor of General Samsonov, together with Rennekampf, who merged the offensive of the Russian army in 1914?
        1. -6
          16 November 2020 16: 11
          In honor of the blessed Samsonius - the patron saint of capitulators and all-perpetrators.
        2. +3
          16 November 2020 16: 35
          What does "drain" mean? Samsonov completely fulfilled the task - he pulled back the German units from the western front. The task was initially self-destructive.
          1. -2
            16 November 2020 21: 37
            Samsonov screwed up to the fullest. He forgot to think about the flanks and the rear not to forget
    2. +17
      16 November 2020 15: 36
      With the great empire of the Turks, how can you deny this Dmitry))))
      Everything and the empire of the Turks showed up and fucking advanced methods of war without any pilots and the Turks special forces with a reinforced frontal bone.
      Gentlemen, fans of security pilots can at least make a comparison with submarines of the beginning of WWI, the same stealth (difficulties with detection), the same difficulty of destruction (and not very long and relative vulnerability) and that someone won the war against submarines when they were taken seriously?
      It may be time to think that the UAV is a weapon against a deliberately weak enemy, not against even an approximately equal one and in a war only of low intensity (there is no danger of raking in your cities and villages).
      Everything, as always, is again falling into imported new quirks.
      Where do the Turks have experience of war with a normal enemy?
      1. -1
        16 November 2020 17: 57
        Quote: saigon
        .
        Gentlemen, fans of security pilots can at least make a comparison with submarines of the beginning of WWI, the same stealth (difficulties with detection), the same difficulty of destruction (and not very long and relative vulnerability) and that someone won the war against submarines when they were taken seriously?
        It may be time to think that the UAV is a weapon against a deliberately weak enemy, not against even an approximately equal one and in a war only of low intensity (there is no danger of raking in your cities and villages).
        Everything, as always, is again falling into imported new quirks.
        Where do the Turks have experience of war with a normal enemy?


        You are also systemically mistaken.
        Submarines reigned for almost 30 years before they could be pacified.
        30 years is in those moments. when the development of Scientific and Technical Progress went by leaps and bounds.
        When 2-3 weeks passed from idea to serial sample.

        And what now?
        Wars are fleeting.
        They are not going to exterminate the people, nobody needs infantry for a long time.
        Wars are aimed at destroying infrastructure and military equipment.
        Already 40 as it became clear, and only that there is no mobilization reserve in armaments.
        And no one will build tanks and planes and submarines and radars and torpedoes with missiles.
        They will not build.
        And they do not give birth.
        They will fight only with what is here and now.

        And whoever quickly destroys the maximum of equipment here and now is the winner.

        And the infantry?
        And you saw that the infantry - how drones were chasing it ...
        Thus instilling fear in every soldier ...

        This is the reason - fear.

        And fear appears after complete disappointment.
        And disappointment appears there. where there were unreasonable expectations of success.
        And unreasonable expectations of success are the work of jingoistic patriots.
        1. 0
          16 November 2020 19: 22
          Quote: SovAr238A
          Submarines reigned for almost 30 years

          Not a single modern submarine battleship was sunk during WWI, if anything.
          1. 0
            16 November 2020 19: 53
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Quote: SovAr238A
            Submarines reigned for almost 30 years

            Not a single modern submarine battleship was sunk during WWI, if anything.


            so they never went anywhere ...
            From 14 to 44, the role of battleships was near-zero ...
            In those places. where the submarines were and were built ..

            To be honest? It is so?
            1. +2
              16 November 2020 20: 01
              Quote: SovAr238A
              From 14 to 44, the role of battleships was near-zero ...


              I disagree - look how many miles the Black Sea battleships reeled in WWII, and how many miles Allied battleships reeled in and fired shells during WWII.
              1. 0
                17 November 2020 08: 20
                "I disagree - look how many miles the Black Sea battleships reeled in WWII, and how many miles Allied battleships reeled in and fired shells during WWII."
                Well, we are not talking about winding up miles and shooting shells, but about the meaning of their existence, combat effectiveness. the battleship is not a Zhiguli, at its fabulous cost, it should bring at least some benefit, except for winding the run
            2. +2
              17 November 2020 06: 13
              Sir, what about the Battle of Jutland?
              Probably from the bases, the arc was fired into a friend or not?
              During WWII, the British on their battleships in the Mediterranean did not stand in bases despite about a hundred Italian boats, the Japanese fleet and the American fleet did not stand in bases.
              The heavy cruisers of the Japanese fought intensely until the very end while there was fuel.
        2. +4
          16 November 2020 19: 23
          Here the infantry will always not be able to occupy the city from the air; in the fight of approximately equal opponents, the weapon of terror will not justify itself.
          The successes of all UAVs where there is no approximate equality.
          Low-intensity conflicts and counter-guerrilla operations.
          Have you ever thought that the UAV is the second edition of the Douai theory on a new technological basis and nothing more, the search for the sword of the kladenets and the tales of the gods throwing lightning.
          Everything is nothing new and believe me the antidote will be found very quickly, all this was already true in a different form.
      2. +2
        16 November 2020 18: 06
        Quote: saigon
        With the great empire of the Turks, how can you deny this Dmitry))))
        Everything and the empire of the Turks showed up and fucking advanced methods of war without any pilots and the Turks special forces with a reinforced frontal bone.
        Gentlemen, fans of security pilots can at least make a comparison with submarines of the beginning of WWI, the same stealth (difficulties with detection), the same difficulty of destruction (and not very long and relative vulnerability) and that someone won the war against submarines when they were taken seriously?
        It may be time to think that the UAV is a weapon against a deliberately weak enemy, not against even an approximately equal one and in a war only of low intensity (there is no danger of raking in your cities and villages).
        Everything, as always, is again falling into imported new quirks.
        Where do the Turks have experience of war with a normal enemy?

        You are a strange comrade. There are two armies approximately the same in relation to (Armenia and not Armenia) identical tanks, aircraft
        , S300, guns and even machine guns. But one side has drones and barge ammunition. The result is known. Or you have to sit in the trench yourself and wait for this thing to fly on your head and you will understand that there are more weighty arguments than unhealthy optimism.
        Of course, the song about the Varyag flatters pride, but it won't save you from the cemetery. But most likely you represent someone else in the trenches. You already feel good. Uryayaya !!! In a country where the power without exception (for example, the fourth mayor of Tomsk was imprisoned) steals, where the average salary of 35000 rubles is considered very good at current exchange rates, it cannot have prospects by default. Remember, only 1930 years passed from 1945 to 15. From 2000 to 2020 ????
        1. +3
          16 November 2020 19: 32
          Well, I know how it is in the trenches (which are also badly dug out because you can force someone to dig). So the nastiest thing is mortars (howitzers were rare), I can tell you about it, just to understand this, you have to try it yourself.
          So I can imagine what the infantry feels, but what a tanker or artilleryman feels in battle is gone, I can’t imagine.
      3. +2
        16 November 2020 21: 42
        Quote: saigon
        that a UAV is a weapon against an obviously weak enemy


        Not so again. UAVs of a small class conducting reconnaissance in the interests of the ground forces (with the issuance of a control center for artillery and missilemen) is a vital necessity, and by the beginning of this year, 2300 units were purchased for the Russian Armed Forces. Like Outpost, Aileron, Orlan. But male-class UAVs (such as Orion or Bayraktar) are yes, in their regard, I can agree with this assessment. BUT we need these first of all for long-distance sea reconnaissance (Same Altius)
        1. +3
          17 November 2020 06: 02
          At the expense of reconnaissance, one can agree, shock UAVs only have an effect against a weak enemy.
          Another search for a miracle weapon.
          All cited examples of the success of these devices take place in conditions of little or no opposition.
          Again, many have a skewed and playful mind in their heads, forgetting that the armed forces are a complex of different types of troops. In my opinion (subjective), the weak point in this type of weapon is the direct and reverse connection, and most likely they will solve the issue of countering UAVs precisely in the light of depriving them of communication.
  4. -6
    16 November 2020 15: 10
    Everything is gone ... The client is leaving .. The gypsum is being removed ..............
  5. -5
    16 November 2020 15: 11
    Yes, there will be no war, as here some members of the forum argue ... Only our enemies made our country in the list of enemies number 1, and intend to destroy it by any available means.
    I am amazed at their naivety.
    1. +12
      16 November 2020 15: 30
      Only our enemies included our country in the list of enemies number 1, and intend to destroy it by any available means.
      ... And how despicable they are. Bought a VAZ, now Renault-Nissan-VAZ, Ford has built screwdriver factories, Coca-Cola and Pepsi are fighting for the market space of Russia, Protekter and Gambel are doing the same, I don't want to talk about Rusal ... all contribute and contribute ... And the GDP calls them partners ..
      1. -1
        16 November 2020 15: 31
        That's right, the economy is our Achilles heel.
        1. +3
          16 November 2020 15: 33
          The war will begin at their factories, we will produce Armata, Petrels, with Vanguards - let the partners build ...
      2. KCA
        -2
        16 November 2020 16: 09
        And how many assets does China have in the camp of the enemy - the United States? And how much investment have American companies made in the Chinese economy? T
        1. +2
          16 November 2020 16: 24
          The article is called Lessons of Karabakh. Russia is not ready for war, not the lessons of the Uyghur region. China is not ready for war.
          1. 0
            17 November 2020 08: 05
            Is the USA ready for it?
  6. +7
    16 November 2020 15: 11
    There is no unity between the country's leadership, the party in power and the people. And it cannot be, since social injustice in the Russian Federation has reached unprecedented heights.

  7. -4
    16 November 2020 15: 11
    Aaaaa! FSE is gone, Turkey BREAKED !! Russia is helpless !!! Ugh on you!
    1. 0
      16 November 2020 18: 11
      Quote: ASAD
      Aaaaa! FSE is gone, Turkey BREAKED !! Russia is helpless !!! Ugh on you!

      Put on a mask, but Covid!
  8. +7
    16 November 2020 15: 11
    The Kremlin hides and runs from any conflict, as it feels its weakness in the absence of unity of power, the leading party and the people.

    Only for some reason the whole world is convinced of the opposite. Russia is involved and even is the organizer of all existing conflicts.
  9. +8
    16 November 2020 15: 12
    Who is not ready for what war ???
    Everything was lost, the top ones were all merged !!!
    So does it come out?
    Question .... and who is READY and for what war ???
    Can the author give someone an example for comparison?
    1. +2
      16 November 2020 16: 18
      Today there is not a single state that would be ready for war, well, maybe apart from Israel, and then for very specific actions, otherwise everyone is not ready ...
      1. 0
        16 November 2020 16: 59
        Some people want to rest against their capabilities ...
        We have some possibilities, fortunately, Wishlist does not go beyond the reasonable ...
        I do not consider our top ones to be the most, the most, but .... "play" against us is not kids, very serious guys, moreover, rabid enemies !!!
        In general, it is necessary to prepare more thoroughly .... giveaway is not played, but it does not run into time.
        Enemies, really, more ... this is not forever, and finally, we are no stranger to, BREAK!
        1. +3
          16 November 2020 17: 30
          The fact of the matter is that they again gather a crowd against us and there are not children at all ...
  10. +8
    16 November 2020 15: 14
    Oh my God! Crazy with their war.
    It’s wonderful to live in the midst of fire and smoke,
    And listen to the machine gun chatter
    Lead us the invincible king -
    Go-go.
    When the shells burst day and night,
    Rather give ranks and orders,
    So let it always rumble -
    War, war, war.
    The accelerant from a peaceful life grows dull
    Silk banners fade and decay
    And the one who speaks of humanism -
    Spy, spy.
    When the shells burst day and night,
    Rather give ranks and orders,
    So let it always rumble -
    War, war, war.
    We agree that a physicist and a philosopher,
    They moved their science forward,
    But the main issues are being resolved -
    In the ranks, in the ranks.
    When the shells burst day and night,
    Rather give ranks and orders,
    So let it always rumble -
    War, war, war.
  11. -6
    16 November 2020 15: 18
    Sheer whining, not an article. Russia is always ready for war.
    1. -1
      16 November 2020 15: 26
      .Russia is always ready for war.
      Yes, Russia was never ready for war, our helicopter was recently shot down and two of our pilots were killed ... Also tell me they were ready for this.
      1. KCA
        -2
        16 November 2020 16: 16
        After the end of the Korean War, the USSR was ready for war as never before, but when over the territory of friendly China, American fighters shot down a transport IL-12 without weapons and with identification marks of the USSR, when 21 people died, the USSR wiped out and simply shook out the USA monetary compensation for the plane and dead? We could have slapped the USA on cabbage soup
      2. -2
        16 November 2020 18: 15
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        .Russia is always ready for war.
        Yes, Russia was never ready for war, our helicopter was recently shot down and two of our pilots were killed ... Also tell me they were ready for this.

        He himself was absent from the helicopter. So I'm ready.
  12. +3
    16 November 2020 15: 19
    Quote: Hunter 2
    Lyosha, tie everything up with yours.
    Russia is Me, and You too! Everyone who came to us - Everyone is buried here, We have a lot of Earth - we'll dig the next ones too!
    Hi!
    And where do we get so many shovels? Is that the BAP with a rotor to attract?
    1. +3
      16 November 2020 15: 38
      Quote: aleks neym_2
      And where do we get so many shovels? Is that the BAP with a rotor to attract?

      I - to you, I personally will give you a personal name! Well, if you understand the digging technique "BAT with a rotor" - generally an irreplaceable Human! wink
      1. +2
        17 November 2020 07: 35
        Very grateful! Just don't forget to add fuel and lubricants in the optimal amount!
  13. +1
    16 November 2020 15: 21
    After reading this nonsense, it became clear that Turkey is the world's imba)))
    1. 0
      16 November 2020 18: 23
      Quote: Bessik
      After reading this nonsense, it became clear that Turkey is the world's imba)))

      At the beginning of the 15s, China did not look good, but now where is the economy of Russia and where is China. Go to the store, not grocery. Iran, Israel, Turkey, Brazil have already taken the lead. The world is changing, and you still think in the old way. Look what will happen in the next XNUMX years and where Russia will end up with such an attitude towards the economy, its population and the theft of those in power. One Piskov is worth it - the voice of the state.
      1. 0
        17 November 2020 07: 16
        Okay, China, but what should I see in the store from Turkey?
        1. +3
          17 November 2020 09: 47
          Well China, but what should I see in the store from Turkey

          Well, even here in Siberia there is a lot of Turkish knitwear, and Turkish guns are more and more often found in hunting shops. There are household appliances again. Few?
          1. 0
            17 November 2020 10: 59
            I don’t know how you have in Siberia, I have not seen Turkish knitwear in the Urals, not to mention household appliances.
            1. +2
              17 November 2020 13: 13
              Strange, but the CSN of the city of Yekaterinburg (not advertising) says the opposite, it is enough to drive in the name of the company Beko
              1. +4
                17 November 2020 13: 17
                For example, there are electric ovens
                1. -1
                  17 November 2020 17: 41
                  This is the first time I see such a brand, for such a low price it is better to take the Belarusian Hephaestus.
                  Russia also has its own brands of household appliances and what of this? Do you have household appliances in Slovenia, should you also be afraid of this country?
                  1. +1
                    18 November 2020 06: 44
                    This is the first time I see such a brand, for such a horse price it is better to take the Belarusian Hephaestus.

                    Well, I don't offer you anything to buy and I don't impose anything on you. You said that there are no Turkish-made household appliances on sale in the Urals, but I just demonstrated that this statement, to put it mildly, is not true. And what you choose is up to you.
                    Do you have household appliances in Slovenia, should you also be afraid of this country?

                    It’s not a matter of which country’s household appliances are represented in the store, but in their volumes, and therefore in who is the sales market for whom. This is how we found out that Turkish household appliances are present in domestic retail, but what about our appliances in Turkish or Slovenian stores? And if it is absent, then why? Poor quality, problems with logistics or limited production, which is not enough even for our own customers. Here you need to look in more detail. And having received the answers - to draw conclusions about the industrial potential.
                    1. 0
                      18 November 2020 08: 57
                      Maybe I did not correctly state my thoughts: on the Russian market there are household appliances from the same Slovenia or Belarus BUT why do you focus on Turkish? Well, there are Turkish gas stoves on the Russian market of household appliances, so what? Does this make Turkey a Muslim China? I don't know for sure, but the Russian ELIKOR may also be present on the Turkish market.
                      It's funny, honestly, Turkey is the world's imba since we sell Turkish gas stove))
                      This is from the same song as Turkish tomatoes, they seem to be there, but no one sees them
  14. +7
    16 November 2020 15: 24
    in Ukraine as a whole. Now also in Karabakh.

    Does Samsonov have problems with prepositions?
    Therefore, the Kremlin is fleeing any confrontation. Makes a beautiful face and retreats ...

    we have a kitchen hawk here. A bored man in the street, Samsonov, is tired of a vegetarian diet, does he want meat fried with napalm? "I pay taxes - show me the war on TV!" - So?
    1. +5
      16 November 2020 15: 35
      Monday, a hard day, and right after Sunday for Samsonov. From historical obscurantism to political ...
  15. +1
    16 November 2020 15: 26
    Excellent article! I fully reflected the current situation and my own thoughts and premonitions.
  16. +2
    16 November 2020 15: 38
    Were they mushrooms or synthetic already?
    1. +1
      16 November 2020 15: 42
      Were they mushrooms or synthetic already?
      .... No ... it's a birth injury .. laughing
      1. -4
        16 November 2020 19: 16
        All of you giggle, and Samsonov is a fine fellow - he has made a supply of salt-matches-buckwheat and is scribbling 'about the war' from the cellar.
  17. -2
    16 November 2020 15: 39
    In the headline, Russia is not ready for war. From a lot of text bukaff it is not visible. Except for one phrase that there is no unity of power and people, as in the 41st. In 41, Getler also thought that there was no such unity in the USSR. In part he was right, but external aggression united the entire people. Such is our dryness.
    1. +9
      16 November 2020 16: 31
      In 1941 there was a military industry with a full production cycle. There were young people with badges with TRP and GSO badges. There was a belief in the progressiveness of communism and the Soviet system and an understanding of the inhumanity of Nazism. Those. it was clear what to fight for.

      Now there is almost nothing. The only trump card is atomic weapons.
      1. +4
        16 November 2020 17: 24
        In sovremennoets war, industry does not play such a role as in the Second World War. The production cycle of modern technology is too long. Therefore, everything will be decided by the pre-war reserves. These are the modern realities .. Well, the TRP badges are still worn and even "Yunarmiya" is available. And this is not irony, since before the Second World War, not everyone was ready for work and defense. Well, there is also enough faith to rejoice. A Russian person fights for his homeland, whatever it may be, and it does not matter who is the head of the country. Not everyone loved Stalin, and neither did socialism. But these people stood up against the occupiers.
        1. 0
          16 November 2020 18: 26
          The production cycle of modern technology is too long.
          Too long for nuclear war. But if you think about conventional war, if we assume that the belligerents are afraid to use the last "nuclear trump card", then "not everything is so simple."

          The Russian man sometimes fights, and sometimes (the end of the First World War) escapes from the trenches. Sometimes he suffers hardships for the sake of a brighter future, and sometimes (the end of the USSR) he destroys the country for the sake of McDonald's. This, by the way, also concerns other peoples, Russians are not unique here.
          1. +2
            16 November 2020 21: 26
            Even with conventional warfare with modern means of destruction, intensive hostilities will no longer last for years.
            1. 0
              17 November 2020 16: 15
              Well, here's the Karabakh war. Lasted 1,5 months. If the Armenians had a decent air defense system and a network of long-term fortifications (which cannot be pierced with an 8-kilogram "bayraktar" bomb), the war could last for months. If the Azerbaijanis wanted to occupy not only Karabakh, but the whole of Armenia, the war could last a year. If the warring parties were larger (say, Russia and Turkey), the war would drag on for several years. These are huge costs of bombs and missiles (with the need for reproduction), loss of ships and aircraft (with the need to replenish), hundreds of thousands of wounded military and civilians (with a corresponding load on hospitals).
              1. 0
                17 November 2020 16: 56
                The war in Karabakh is a low intensity conflict. Moreover, both sides took care of and did not use the most expensive weapons. Well, this conflict was not as violent as, for example, in Donbas. There, the most intense hostilities (near Idovaysk and Debaltseve) did not exceed a couple of weeks in both cases. And how much equipment was lost in these battles? That's it. A couple more weeks in the same impe and Ukraine would have been left without aircraft and tanks at all. Well, now consider here the production cycle of a modern tank and aircraft.
                Well, the war on 08.08.08 generally lasted only 5 days.
                1. 0
                  17 November 2020 17: 30
                  What parrots do you measure "intensity" in? If we take the loss of people and equipment, then Karabakh is more or less comparable to the Donbass: several thousand dead. Only the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not have drones, and the militia had air defense, and the terrain was flat, that's all the differences. Official losses of Ukrainian armored vehicles - 1000 units in 10 months (before Minsk-2015), which corresponds to the losses of Armenian armored vehicles (150 units in 1,5 months). I am sure that a country of 30 million, like Ukraine, is quite capable (with a developed industry and stocks of raw materials) to produce / repair 100 armored vehicles per month. In 1944, the USSR produced 1000 T-34 tanks alone (not to mention other armored vehicles) per month.
                  1. 0
                    17 November 2020 17: 48
                    The intensity of a military conflict is determined by the degree to which the strength of the armed forces is used in combat operations per unit of time, and not in parrots.
                  2. 0
                    17 November 2020 17: 54
                    Even the US industry cannot afford to produce 100 modern main tanks per month. Well, repairs are different: current, medium and major. Even Russia cannot capitalize 100 tanks a month. Not like Ukraine. Read how many armored vehicles are purchased from their manufacturers by Ukraine per year and you will understand everything. All this equipment is after a major overhaul, and not newly produced.
                    1. -2
                      17 November 2020 19: 09
                      Losses of Ukrainian tanks, according to Lostarmor, 25 per month. And another 70 per month other equipment (BMP, armored personnel carrier, self-propelled guns) The release of 1 tank per day is quite a feasible task (for a developed industry; and not for what is now in Russia or Ukraine).

                      By the way, according to the plans of 2015, the Russian army was to receive 2020 Armata tanks by 2300. Those. planned production - 1,25 tanks per day. And this is in peacetime, without taking into account the mobilization deployment of industry.

                      According to Sienko, the state armament program provides for the delivery of the Armata army of 2300 units until the 2020 year, however, most likely, it will be adjusted in time: “The volumes will probably remain, but the period will shift to the 2025 year.”
                      1. +1
                        17 November 2020 19: 13
                        He seems to be an adult uncle, but he believes in fairy tales.
                        It is necessary to count not what someone promised to build, but how much is actually being built.
                      2. 0
                        17 November 2020 19: 30
                        Oh well. Take the United States. During the year, 4000 JLTV armored vehicles were built i.e. 11 pieces per day.

                        For FY 2020 (1 October 2019 - 30 September 2020) the Pentagon's JLTV funding request totals US $ 1.641 billion, this to procure 2,530 vehicles for the Army, 1,398 for the Marines (with 3,986 more between FY2021 and FY2024)

                        This is roughly equivalent to 1 tank per day (when compared by price).

                        And I am sure that the United States has a mobilization plan, according to which, in the event of a war, the release of equipment increases significantly.
                      3. 0
                        17 November 2020 19: 37
                        Why did you decide that it corresponds to 1 tank per day? Arguments? Give real examples of what country is now building 1 modern main tank per day from scratch.
                        You can pull anything by the ears. But reality will not change from this. Armenians, too, have been drawing their beliefs to reality for almost 30 years. As a result, only Russia was able to prevent their defeat.
                      4. -1
                        17 November 2020 19: 57
                        Now tanks are not built. The basis of the US ground forces is relatively cheap and massive armored vehicles. But before they built, and very quickly, about 1 "Abrams" per day:

                        Low initial rate production (LIRP) of the vehicle was approved on 7 May 1979. [4] In February 1982, General Dynamics Land Systems Division (GDLS) purchased Chrysler Defense, after Chrysler built over 1,000 M1s.

                        You can also (roughly) compare by price. The cost of the armored vehicle is 410 thousand dollars, the cost of the "Abrams" is 8,9 million dollars. We get that 11 armored vehicles per day corresponds to 0,5 tanks per day.
                      5. 0
                        18 November 2020 06: 48
                        No need to build theories. We must live by the realities. But even if you follow your theories, then in modern conditions they build tanks, armored vehicles, etc., not to mention aircraft and air defense systems, much less per day than they are destroyed during that day during intense hostilities.
    2. +5
      16 November 2020 17: 21
      "external aggression has united the whole people"
      Well, now there is external aggression in the form of sanctions against our big officials - they were forbidden to travel to Europe and their accounts were frozen. But I still did not unite with the officials, but on the contrary was delighted.
      1. +3
        16 November 2020 21: 32
        Very few of the common people have experienced these sanctions directly. And the majority of our people think that these sanctions did not touch our bourgeoisie. On the contrary, sanctions are used as an excuse for the inability to manage the economy competently. So the people do not perceive any obvious external aggression in the form of sanctions.
  18. +2
    16 November 2020 15: 58
    I think the author, to put it mildly, exaggerates the colors.
  19. +4
    16 November 2020 15: 58
    "And in the morning they woke up." Russia is always not ready for war. Nobody is ready for war. So it's time.
  20. +2
    16 November 2020 16: 07
    I wonder how Turkey has set its sights on Crimea? Is there that Crimea is not recognized? So no one recognized him. The fact that Turkey climbed into the Caucasus is quite logical, it has a common border with all the participants. The author shouted too loudly that everything was lost.
    1. -3
      16 November 2020 16: 26
      Quote: ZAV69
      I wonder how Turkey has set its sights on Crimea?

      According to the agreement between Russia and the Ottoman Empire, if Russia leaves Crimea, then Crimea is Turkish. Because in Kiev, they shout, "Krymnash", and Erdogan has a project to recreate the New Ottoman Empire (moreover, on the ruins of the Russian Federation too).
      1. +5
        16 November 2020 16: 48
        There is no longer either the Turkish Empire or the Russian. And about the wreckage of the Russian Federation .... Many people want it. But the RF does not break and that's it.
        1. 0
          16 November 2020 20: 18
          Quote: ZAV69
          There is no longer either the Turkish Empire or the Russian.

          ... but there is a contract. It remains to recreate the Ottoman Empire. As there old man Brzezinski taught our bosses:

          “Russia is a conquered power. She lost the titanic struggle. And to say “it was not Russia, but the Soviet Union” means to flee from reality. It was Russia, called the Soviet Union. She challenged the USA. She was defeated. Now there is no need to fuel illusions about the great power of Russia. It’s necessary to discourage such a way of thinking ... Russia will be fragmented and under guardianship. ”

          "A new world order with US hegemony is being created against Russia, at the expense of Russia and on the ruins of Russia."

          From the book “Choice. World domination or global leadership ”(Moscow, International Relations, 2010, p. 127):
          1. +2
            17 November 2020 07: 53
            Well, Bzezhinsky taught it. But this is just his wishlist. Of course, we are walking along the edge, the problem is that there is foulbrood at the top, and partners support her in full. In 24, this whole toilet will seethe, and how it will end is unclear. They will probably try to arrange some kind of revolution for us.
      2. +1
        16 November 2020 16: 52
        Erdogan can dream, only an impossible task for him.
        1. +1
          16 November 2020 20: 21
          Erdogan does not dream, but acts. Moreover, under the guidance of competent mentors from MI6. Google
          "The Secret Intelligence Service of the British Foreign Office", (SIS / MI-6) (English Secret Intelligence Service, SIS / Military Intelligence, MI6) - the service of the British foreign policy ". There is a very interesting leader there today.
  21. +11
    16 November 2020 16: 09
    Young people come from the army. Some for a year, some for a year and a half. They almost did not shoot, they only saw grenades in the movies. It's funny, they can't open a tin can with a knife. I ask: "Did you even peel the potatoes?
    -No, we had civilian cooks.
    I will not talk about schools, technical schools, institutes, you yourself know what kind of CWP training there is. Interceded for a passer-by, a child, a girl from a bully, rapist, robber. You will be jailed for real, and the bully will be put on probation !! If someone thinks that this is how men are being prepared for the war for the Motherland, then it is simply "uneducated". I think Putin has a police state. Capable of suppressing the protests of the hungry and the disaffected. Putin has been preparing for this for 20 years. And I'm ready, I think. If the elections are faked in a blatant, YouTube is full of videos. Hard workers will not fight for this power. Only for the Motherland! But for this it is necessary to remove the inner uneducated. I am for the free sale of weapons, as in the USA !!
    1. +2
      17 November 2020 23: 14
      Quote: steel maker
      I think Putin has a police state.


      Duc takes an example from the USA. Moreover, our "police state" is no match for their police state ... Flimsy and thinner ...
  22. -6
    16 November 2020 16: 12
    Smacks of 282 tbsp. UK. and in 1904 and 1914 and in 1941 those were completely different situations. Author - Alexander Samsonov, stop posting defeatist articles
  23. +4
    16 November 2020 16: 12
    What nonsense have I just read ... what kind of war are we not ready for, or that we again “lost” some war without even showing up for it?
    What does 1905 and 1914 have to do with it? Where did the author see the Ottoman Empire in today's Turkey?
    In short, another article about the fact that today the Motherland is dying especially badly.
    1. +1
      16 November 2020 19: 42
      Quote: Chessmaster97
      What nonsense have I just read ... what kind of war are we not ready for, or that we again “lost” some war without even showing up for it?


      That's for sure. By the way, the author should have known that from the 15th year to the beginning of this, the RF Armed Forces received at least 2300 small-class drones sharpened for solving reconnaissance tasks, issuing control points and adjusting artillery and missile fire. That in each MRBR there is already a state-owned detachment of unmanned aircraft. A male-class UAV of the notorious Bayraktar type is quite amazed by any modern air defense system. And the fact that attack UAVs are not at all a wunderwaffe, because "shock" leads to a sharp increase in visibility and, consequently, a decrease in the survival rate of UAVs in the front zone.
  24. +6
    16 November 2020 16: 13
    Sadly, the author is right.
    His point of view is an alternative response to the cheerful statements of the authorities and the media affiliated with it about the wisdom of our leadership, about some strategic victories achieved by dexterous maneuvering in acute situations.
    The loss of Russia's geostrategic initiative in all areas is evident.
    From Moldova and Transnistria to Belarus.
    From the Balkans to the Caucasus. From Kiev to Astana.
    On the queue - the Far East ..
    The Turks are literally driving us across the table with their muzzles, either through a gas pipeline, in Libya and Syria, and now in the Caucasus.
    And we notify Erdogan about the coup, we sell him the most modern air defense system, let millions of tourists visit him.
    And he, in a grateful response, enters into an alliance with Kiev to reject Crimea.
    Our most supreme guarantor (something there) either forgot how to show his teeth and beat strangers, or due to age and fatigue, he decided to hold on to retirement as calmly as possible, without burdening himself with the struggle for Russia's international influence.
    But with retirees he does it dashingly ..
    1. -5
      16 November 2020 16: 34
      Quote: U-58
      The loss of Russia's geostrategic initiative in all areas is evident.

      And when did Russia own the initiative?
      Quote: U-58
      His point of view is an alternative response to the cheerful statements of the authorities and the media affiliated with it about the wisdom of our leadership,

      In other words - a delusional reaction to media delirium? ))
      1. 0
        16 November 2020 16: 41
        Or maybe a sober assessment of media delirium?
        We had the initiative in 1944-45
        1. -4
          16 November 2020 17: 05
          Quote: U-58
          Or maybe a sober assessment of media delirium?

          do not make me laugh. An analyst from Samsonov is like wallpaper from pipifax. Where is the sobriety in his whining?
          Quote: U-58
          We had the initiative in 1944-45

          and what events preceded this to you remind? And the price at the same time?
          1. +3
            16 November 2020 17: 29
            Exactly. That's what I'm talking about. Again we roll, we roll until we roll, so that later "at the cost of incredible efforts, unparalleled heroism and great sacrifices" ...
            As for the author's personalities, I huch Samsonov, huch Goliaths or Apollo, it does not matter if I agree with the content.
        2. -1
          16 November 2020 17: 32
          Yeah, especially in 41st and even 42nd. Do not remember what year the turning point in the Second World War came and when the initiative passed to us?
  25. 0
    16 November 2020 16: 16
    Not an article, but solid snot. For whom is the paper dirty?
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    1. +10
      16 November 2020 16: 24
      What was done under Putin will be assessed by the descendants of nothing more than the next stage of the collapse of the country and its plundering. The only thing that was done well under Putin was the scenery of well-being, it's a pity that even good decorations are still decorations.
      1. -7
        16 November 2020 16: 41
        Quote: Rudkovsky
        What was done under Putin will be assessed by the descendants of nothing more than the next stage of the collapse of the country and its plundering. The only thing that was done well under Putin was the scenery of well-being, it's a pity that even good decorations are still decorations.

        But don't give a damn about Putin ... If you are a serious journalist, write thoroughly ... and not these superficial articles, the purpose of which is to say in the end that Putin is not a good person ... ... But if he were good, he would have pulled this Samsonov up ... laughing
        1. +3
          16 November 2020 16: 48
          Is Putin a good man?
          1. 0
            16 November 2020 19: 11
            Quote: Rudkovsky
            Is Putin a good man?

            If I wrote it, I would be good, I would have pulled this Samsonov on a rack. wassat
        2. -2
          16 November 2020 17: 07
          Quote: Nasr
          If you are a serious journalist

          this, sorry, who are you talking about?
    2. +1
      16 November 2020 18: 29
      Quote: Nasr
      For me, the title gave the author ... The author's crazy articles are growing like mushrooms ... Whatever the author writes about, the main thing is to spoil everything that was done under Putin, Putin, during Putin's rule ...
      I advise the author not to write many letters - just a title (any) and a conclusion - Putin is to blame ...
      The main thing that amazes me about the author is that he absolutely does not understand the topic, is absolutely not competent in the question about which he writes - but draws conclusions !!!!

      In general, VO is just empty ... which is being driven in a circle .. crisis of the genre ..

      Noooooo Santa Claus is to blame!
  27. +1
    16 November 2020 16: 27
    So what does the author call for?
    An anti-constitutional coup?
    Ideology is prohibited by the Constitution.
    And the project of the country's future, for the absence of which the author is crying, is an ideology.
    Those. our country is obviously doomed to be a "vegetable". And the fate of vegetables is known, either to rot or to be eaten.
  28. 0
    16 November 2020 16: 35
    Is it possible that another round of history will end in a basement?
  29. +2
    16 November 2020 16: 36
    And although I agree with many things, I cannot consider that we acted wrong in the situation with Nagorno-Karabakh. From the point of view of the NKR law, this is the territory of Azerbaijan, from the point of view of the law, we have agreements on defense with Armenia in case of an attack on the territory of Armenia. And it would be irrational to harness on the side of the Armenians in an obscure enterprise, given the long-term distance of Armenian politics from us. The Turks helped Azerbaijan - their right, and the right of their relationship with a sovereign state. Our country had no interests on the territory of the NKR - it would, and we would recognize this self-proclaimed state. The former republics of the USSR were eager to gain independence - here it is, the taste of this "independence" - in the face of those who decided on the vassalage of any side.

    As for doubts about our readiness for a local conflict with a regional power like Turkey or actively supported by Ukraine, the problem is growing, this is a fact.
    1. 0
      16 November 2020 16: 46
      .... especially since the history of the wars with Turkey shows the score 6: 6
  30. -2
    16 November 2020 16: 48
    Is this an article or a book?
  31. +1
    16 November 2020 16: 48
    Dedicated to the author of the article:
    IN he left
    Went to fight
    So that Haropa's helmet
    Aim down fellow
    1. +2
      16 November 2020 17: 05
      Krasnodar hi according to the old Russian custom lol drones a la serpent gornych shoot down good fellows with improvised means, if they did not give out the kladenets sword in the warehouse wassat
      1. -1
        16 November 2020 17: 59
        Shaft and spear? Ali with a helm with a barmitsa? laughing
  32. 0
    16 November 2020 16: 48
    A lost war begins with defeatism.
    Not even an army, a society.
    So it was in 1905, 1917.
  33. +2
    16 November 2020 16: 50
    The same can be said about all possible parties to the conflict.
  34. -2
    16 November 2020 16: 55
    And that would be the first to send the author to the war!
    But I'm afraid it won't work. He, most likely, cut off from the army.
    1. -2
      16 November 2020 17: 55
      Flat feet or ...
  35. +3
    16 November 2020 16: 59
    The author apparently suggests constantly keep a mobilized wartime army.
    Even the Soviet Union did not think of such stupidity.
    Too wasteful.
    1. -1
      16 November 2020 19: 02
      Quote: Ulysses
      The author apparently suggests constantly keep a mobilized wartime army.
      Even the Soviet Union did not think of such stupidity.
      Too wasteful.

      Come on
      Just the economy kirdyk))
  36. -1
    16 November 2020 17: 02
    Fsё prapalo ... Russia did not go to fight instead of Armenians. Now Russia will die ...
    1. 0
      22 November 2020 21: 22
      yeah)))) these whiners just to groan and arrange a provocation.
  37. +1
    16 November 2020 17: 03
    You might think Recep Tayyip Erdogan is ready for war with Russia and the whole world like Hitler. Kurdistan is in his rear. an actually existing state on the territory of Turkey. Apart from Karabakh, Recep's victories are not noticeable.
    1. -2
      17 November 2020 08: 07
      Which side is Karabakh the victory of old Erdi?
  38. +4
    16 November 2020 17: 11
    No, I restrained myself in an article about the fleet ... where it was "everything is gone, the Japanese woman will sink" .... and direct analogies to Tsushima. But here I can no longer be silent. Gs- dean Samsonov- Stop pulling the Owl on the globe. Enough wishful thinking.
    You are extremely arbitrary comparing the period of the early 20th century and the 21st century. Moreover, you turn the facts as you please and consider them only in the context that suits you. Enough. Stop.
    The Russian Empire and the Russian Federation are not the same thing. Nikolai and Vladimir are different from any point of view a) people b) rulers. International relations in the 21st century are not what they were in the 20th, many things work in a completely different way (for example, the navy).
    No, I understand that you are creating for yourself the "amber" of the prophet and the harbinger of change. But you are wrong. They will not be, communism will not return.
  39. -1
    16 November 2020 17: 11
    I wanted to go to the side, I took off my hat and boots, but in the comments the ENEMIES woke up! angry
  40. +1
    16 November 2020 17: 13
    FSE is gone. Where is the sdavazza?
  41. +3
    16 November 2020 17: 17
    what is the idiotic output in the title ???
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  43. -3
    16 November 2020 17: 21
    I hesitate to ask, why does the Russian Federation need a presence in Armenia and the former NKAO, Syria?
    Isn't it easier to strengthen your state borders?
  44. +1
    16 November 2020 17: 35
    The article in style is all gone.
  45. +3
    16 November 2020 17: 36
    Quote: maktub
    I hesitate to ask, why does the Russian Federation need a presence in Armenia and the former NKAO, Syria?
    Isn't it easier to strengthen your state borders?

    The war on their borders means they slept through the war.
    1. -3
      16 November 2020 17: 52
      Syria is also on the border?
  46. +1
    16 November 2020 17: 47
    author -> author -> author BURNS - as the youth would say. And the fact that Russia is losing everywhere "... and teachers survive on pensions and salaries of 12–20 thousand rubles ..." and "... there is no unity between the authorities and the people, as in 1941 ..." country you live about which you are talking about?
    The other day I got a joke:

    So this is all about you, my dear author .. Devastation always arises first in the head ..
    And according to your article it is not even clear: you are either upset that everything is so bad (and you are telling us about this, trying to impress and upset us) and do not hope for changes, or you are trying to tell horrors and scare us in what terrible POPE we live (how as if we are not from this country and do not see reality with our own eyes).
    Well, not everything is as good as we would like, but no one dies of hunger either.
    A couple of examples:
    1. And even during a pandemic he buys new cars: Autostat https://www.autostat.ru/news/45830/ writes that in 9 months of 2020, 946 thousand cars of the mass segment and 101 thousand of the premium segment were sold. Who is this million lucky ones ?? What planet are they from or what country?
    2. According to the results of September, over 7 contracts were registered in Moscow, which is 200 times more than last year's figure for the same period. However, this is also the largest number of transactions on the capital's primary market over the past 1,7 years! The maximum figure since December 5. recorded in New Moscow. And in just 2018 months (excluding September), more than 8 thousand apartments in new buildings were bought in Moscow. I am silent about the secondary. And if you walk down the street and see houses under construction, then someone buys them !!! Is not it.
    And everything is bad in your country (((You are strange people ..
  47. +4
    16 November 2020 17: 52
    the author is an example of a classic panic-monger!
    Shoot!
    1. -2
      16 November 2020 22: 26
      the author is an example of a classic panic-monger!
      Shoot!


      One two, three
  48. +3
    16 November 2020 17: 54
    Another hysteria of Samsonov? War is coming soon? Well, well: "Orthodox people, we want to help the Moscow state, we will not regret our bellies, but not just our bellies - we will sell our yards, we will lay our wives and children and we will beat our heads so that someone becomes our boss. It's a great thing! we will accomplish it if God helps. And what praise will be to all of us from the Russian land, that from such a small city like ours (Nizhny Novgorod) such a great thing will happen: I know, only we will move on to this, so many cities will come to us will stick and we will get rid of foreigners. "So, 400 years ago, Tinkoff-Bank's advertisement for a loan was announced. laughing
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  50. +8
    16 November 2020 18: 03
    Another face of Mr. Samsonov. This time, the prolific author's opinion is well-founded. In Russia there is not even an approximate unity of the cosmopolitan elite and peoples. The weapons program is stalled. All the "interested parties" are now marking time on Russian interests.
    If you look at the priorities of the RF policy, then there is only one thing: "The main thing is to push through the gas, and then - even the Flood."
  51. +15
    16 November 2020 18: 06
    Dear warriors, who are you going to fight with?? Russia was always provoked by the Anglo-Saxons into wars, and Russia “led” to this, abundantly shedding blood not only on our land, but also on someone else’s. But then families had 5-6 or more children. For example, my own grandmother had 5 brothers during the Second World War: two were captured, one died, one went missing, and only the youngest saw the end of the war and therefore came alive and unharmed. Now what? At best there are two children. And one only son is “licked” from head to toe, pampered and cherished. And few of his parents would send him to die even for the interests of the state. Gone is the era of wars littering with corpses. Therefore, we clearly shouldn’t get involved in “showdowns.” Russia has gone to war. You need to be more cunning and fight only with “other people’s” hands. In this regard, US tactics are very indicative.
    1. +3
      16 November 2020 18: 15
      Quote: Dimy4
      The Kremlin hides and runs away from any conflict, because it feels its weakness...

      Straight to the point!

      The Kremlin is playing a complex game of how to win against strong opponents. And most importantly, he wins.
      And this is not waving a saber over the sofa.
  52. +1
    16 November 2020 18: 09
    Quote: Svarog
    There is no victory, just as there is no obvious defeat. At the exit, we get zones, "fronts" where the problem is not solved, but only postponed. As in Donbass, in Ukraine as a whole.

    When there is no victory, it is already a defeat. Because a frozen, smoldering conflict drains resources, and the more such conflicts there are around the perimeter, the more dangerous the situation..
    As noted above, Turkey has again burst into the former sphere of our influence. Three hundred years of military-political efforts and a lot of blood of the Russian people in the Caucasus - the Kremlin "bargained" for three decades.

    Now it is obvious to many that the king is naked..


    As an illustration - a song.



    With her, Vadim Mulerman became a laureate of the 1966 All-Union Variety Artists Competition. At this competition, he was forced to throw out the last verse from the song (the editors saw a hint of the country's top leadership in the last verse).
    Here he is -
    Drum beat, carnival banners -
    The king returned home from the war.
    Lost the war, lost half a leg,
    But he was glad to tears that he remained alive.

    So the original title of the song, "The Lame King" - turned into
    "The Victorious King".
  53. -1
    16 November 2020 18: 09
    The Kremlin hides and runs away from any conflict, because it feels its weakness...

    Straight to the point!
  54. +7
    16 November 2020 18: 13
    Thus, there is no unity between the government and the people, as in 1941. We are on the brink of war with the new Turkish empire, behind which (as before) is the West (in particular, Britain).

    Dear Author! Gazprom supplied 2020 billion m^1,9 of gas to Turkey in September 3. For the same period in 2019 - 1,017 billion m^3. Almost double growth! And this means an increase in mutual trade. It is not profitable for Erdogan to buy gas through swaps. This means that we need stability in the exchange rates of national currencies so as not to kill trade.
    Now let's look at the dynamics of the Turkish lira to ruble exchange rate

    Do you see how the exchange rate sank in the last “victorious” days of the war? After what you saw, do you seriously think that Türkiye is ready to fight?
    Do you know why UAVs have taken root in Turkey? All Air Force pilots prayed incorrectly and in general are Gülenists...
    Sincerely
    1. +1
      16 November 2020 19: 31
      Quote: nobody75
      Do you know why UAVs have taken root in Turkey? All Air Force pilots prayed incorrectly and in general are Gülenists...


      I wrote about this several times. After the political purges of F-16s, the Turkish Air Force was provided with no more than 30 percent of flight personnel
      1. +2
        16 November 2020 19: 59
        Yes, Erdogan had to hire Pakistani pilots... Because of this, he had a scandal with the states
        PS
        By the way, I calculated a model with shooting at a UAV with a 30mm shrapnel BP for 2a42... To a first approximation, the interception of a Nagor with a probability of 0,8 when using remote detonation at a distance of 1500 m, with a BP with a contact 800 m. I’m still racing... I’ll check and emboss the article.
        Sincerely
        1. 0
          17 November 2020 08: 12
          Quote: nobody75
          .As a first approximation, interception of the Nagor with a probability of 0,8 when using remote detonation at a distance of 1500 m, with a BP with a contact 800 m. I’m still racing... I’ll check it and emboss the article.


          Ammo consumption? And then you need to compare it with the consumption of conventional OFS - I already wrote to you about this.
          1. 0
            17 November 2020 11: 33
            Due to expense, I don’t publish everything. Still need to drive
            With respect.
        2. -1
          17 November 2020 10: 27
          But what if a 100-mm (BMP-3) shrapnel with a controlled detonation is tinned - the idea is that a sheaf of fragments will definitely hit the elements of the UAV’s airframe.
      2. +6
        16 November 2020 20: 06
        I'm wondering..."the artillerymen" who fire at the bayraktar from infantry fighting vehicles, the sailors who armor the kayak, have now become home-grown political scientists? Judging by the article above...The other day, one “signalman” suggested using quantum encryption to communicate with UAVs. Little does he know that quantum encryption does not exist. There's just regular Vernam code with one-time keys. These keys are transmitted using light quanta - photons - along an optical fiber. If he invented a detector of single photons for radio waves, then this will go straight to the Nobel Committee!
        Sincerely
        1. +1
          20 November 2020 08: 45
          Even Google banned such people. They don’t even know how to use search, and therefore they constantly come up with their own vision of reality. And then they publish it.
  55. +4
    16 November 2020 18: 18
    Quote: maktub
    Syria is also on the border?

    Yes, in modern categories of war.
  56. +2
    16 November 2020 18: 21
    His merchants have already explained to Erdogan that trade with the Russian Federation is more important than his political ambitions. Especially given the falling lira.
  57. +12
    16 November 2020 18: 35
    I disagree with the author on the issue of readiness for war - we have not yet forgotten how to fight. True, our male population in the country is divided into those who have served, know military craft, still live in spirit, appreciate both the army and military chapters in life, and those who went through the zone and live in Ukagan vulgarity, the latter number has certainly increased since the collapse of the USSR .

    Otherwise, we are losing within the country, what can we say about foreign policy. We do not have a unified ideology and value system that is attractive to the entire population, and accordingly we have nothing to broadcast to the external environment, to other peoples and countries. Our naked and wild capitalism is aggravated by the lawlessness of power - there is a lot of this goodness in both Africa and Asia, not only the residents there are not interested, but also the residents of the ex-Soviet republics. Well, judge for yourself what will be the choice of our neighbors between the more or less civilized Western or European capitalism of our counterparts and our capitalism wrapped in wild lawlessness?...

    We are unattractive even to Tajiks or Uzbeks, but what about Belarusians, Ukrainians, and Moldovans?
    In Central Asia, for example, there is a counterbalance to wild capitalism in the form of their adat customs and religion; as a result, they have more or less normal conditions. They come to us only because they are poor, stupidly to earn money, but not because Russia is attractive in some way. But we have lost a lot, we no longer have a counterweight, but like a weight on the cuckoo clock, when the authorities are completely out of touch, even without reason, they hit us on the head, then we open the gate and “cuckoo”, and then back, but soon and we will not be able to do this.
    We are discussing with a colleague whether a Tajik babai will work not for 60-65, but for 45-50 thousand, while we don’t think about how many of our population work day and night for 25-45 thousand, but the majority of them. The majority of our population is BELOW OR AT THE POVERTY LINE, and we have migrant workers all around...

    At one time, our revival was helped by our enemies in the First World War. The operation of the German General Staff with Lenin and the Bolsheviks not only knocked out the country with the most powerful ground forces from the ranks of their opponents, but also gave us a chance. A former seminarian, revolutionary, perhaps an agent of the secret police, and the devil, and the devil in the flesh, but STATESMAN and PERSONALITY Dzhugashvili - Stalin, not only raised the country from the dump of sin and garbage, but shook it up, but also set such an impulse that we got there until the end of the 80s.
    And here we need to look at what we are missing, PERSONALITY or IDEOLOGY. Since the last, the USSR, after the death of Stalin, has slipped into the dustbin of history, which means there is not enough PERSONALITY, hence we conclude - PERSONALITY will come after Putin, we live, what Misha America will come, Russia in its current form will cease to exist, just like the USSR in its time, and we will argue here or where about the visa-free travel regime from Ryazan to Moscow and Tula border guards hi You only need to choose the enemies of “that system” for good luck laughing
    Putin is a lesser evil, not a PERSON, but he hasn’t flushed the country down the toilet either. After all, everything is learned by comparison, compare America with Misha...
    1. 0
      17 November 2020 20: 13
      Quote: Azimuth
      Putin is a lesser evil, not a PERSON, but he hasn’t flushed the country down the toilet either. After all, everything is learned by comparison, compare America with Misha...

      Well, colleague, the whole post is strong! Sincerely! hi
  58. +1
    16 November 2020 18: 46
    Quote: parusnik
    “Orthodox people, we want to help the Moscow state, we will not spare our bellies, and not just our bellies - we will sell our yards, we will pawn our wives and children and we will beat our heads so that someone will become our boss. A great deed! We will accomplish it, if God will help. And what praise will all of us receive from the Russian land, that from such a small city as ours (Nizhny Novgorod), such a great thing will happen: I know that as soon as we move towards this, many cities will come to us and we will get rid of foreigners."
    So, 400 years ago, an advertisement from Tinkoff Bank was announced about providing a loan. laughing
    laughing laughing laughing good good good
    Could not resist hi
    1. +2
      16 November 2020 20: 19
      So, 400 years ago, an advertisement from Tinkoff Bank was announced about providing a loan. laughing

      “And we, Sovereign, decided to stand aside from the thief, and to beat the Tsar with his forehead” - an application for refinancing a mortgage loan with a request to reduce the rate.
      Sincerely
  59. -5
    16 November 2020 18: 52
    "Military Review" is a blatantly anti-Russian project, such information resources wedge themselves into our information space and misinform society
  60. -8
    16 November 2020 18: 57
    “Military Obscenity” project is openly anti-Russian and has earned the label “foreign agent”
    1. +3
      16 November 2020 19: 45
      Dear man, are you stuck or something? If you have something to say, write, why keep repeating the same thing?
  61. -7
    16 November 2020 19: 00
    Has Türkiye experienced another drone attack, this time in Karabakh? it's a shame listen
    1. -1
      17 November 2020 20: 17
      Quote: Sergey_11
      Has Türkiye experienced another drone attack, this time in Karabakh? it's a shame listen
      Have you had too much to drink or what? Third post, but it’s not clear what it’s about! If you want to say something, say it, otherwise there will be only interjections and definitions!
  62. -2
    16 November 2020 19: 03
    Without nuclear weapons, Russia, with a population of 150 million, will not dance even against the golden billion, and if they also pull up their colonies, then in general, twenty years ago this was discussed and then they came to the conclusion that if you do not destroy the places where all sorts of evil spirits appear f35, drones, aircraft carriers and so on, the suppression of defense is only a matter of time. Armenia could not do anything because the format of the war was not Azerbaijan-Armenia, but like a conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh and this, thank God, limited the extent of the conflict
    1. 0
      16 November 2020 20: 24
      In modern warfare, the suppression of defenses is always a matter of time. Only Clausewitz, I remember, postulated the primacy of defense over offense.
      Sincerely
      1. -1
        16 November 2020 21: 38
        A modern army must simultaneously defend, attack and influence the enemy’s rear, otherwise there will be no luck
    2. -3
      17 November 2020 20: 14
      "Without nuclear weapons, Russia with a population of 150 million..."

      But Russia does not exist in nature without nuclear weapons.
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  64. +5
    16 November 2020 19: 30
    Russia is not ready for war. V.V. Putin has been avoiding confrontation for 20 years. When the Kremlin is forced into war - Georgia (2008), Ukraine (2014), Syria (2015), it tries to “regulate”, “stabilize” the situation.


    here it’s worth examining in more detail. Georgia, having attacked Russian peacekeepers in 2008, completely raked it (the Georgian army was defeated, the air defense and the Georgian military fleet were destroyed) and the only thing they refused was to hang Saakashvili on the first pillar. Since in this case they would have had to pay for the maintenance Georgia on the Russian budget and keep occupation troops there and do this at the time of the acute phase of the global economic crisis of 2008.
    Not only did no one force Russia into the war in Syria in 2015, but no one even wanted Russia to participate there and save Syria and Assad. Russia itself entered into the conflict and successfully resolved it.
    As for Ukraine, it’s worth remembering the expression “bite off the piece you can swallow” and Russia chose and made the only right choice that could not be avoided and chose Crimea.
    If Russia had entered and captured Ukraine in 2014, then now Russia would not have a single base in the world (ISIS would rule in Syria) and the rearmament of the Russian army would have reached a dead end (there would simply be no money since it would have to be fed from the Russian budget of Ukraine and pay off debts for it).

    Russia is not the USSR, which sent an army to save everyone who called themselves a communist and then supported and fed these countries from the union budget. The USSR was not overstrained by the arms race, but because it fed and supported friendly regimes around the world.
    Now about Armenia. To begin with, Armenia was in the first ranks after the Baltic states who were pushing to leave the Soviet Union. A few years ago, the Maidan won in Armenia, as a result of which a protege of the West came to power, supervised by Soros and the British intelligence services. By the way, Turkey also has the closest ties with the British intelligence services.
    So who should Russia fit in with in such a situation and suffer military losses at the same time becoming an enemy of Azerbaijan in order for Soros’ protege to remain in power in Armenia, supported by the Armenian population, and celebrate his triumph?
    For me, the Western intelligence services set a goal for Pashinyan to surrender Karabakh and then close the Russian base in GYUMRI, because why is such a base needed if Russia did not protect the interests of Armenia in Karabakh.
    So to speak, completely squeeze Russia out of the South Caucasus.

    But Russia ruined this plan by adding another base in Karabakh, and Armenia showed the true insides of the traitor Pashinyan.
    1. 0
      17 November 2020 20: 19
      Quote: lopvlad
      the only thing they refused was to hang Saakashvili on the first pillar.
      Now, if they did this, then you wouldn’t have to voice the entire post today! Not to mention all sorts of flower beds in each of the post-Soviet countries! smile
    2. 0
      23 November 2020 15: 08
      Bravo on all counts! good
  65. +5
    16 November 2020 19: 49
    The beginning of the article intrigued me, it seemed to be written beautifully, but the last paragraphs baffled me: I started it for the sake of my health, but I finished it...like a tub of manure dumped in front of my nose.
    In short, a bold minus, and let it go to the echo of Moscow time.
    Py.sy. I’m not saying that only my opinion is correct; you can walk out of step.
  66. -1
    16 November 2020 20: 55
    Quote: nnm
    The Kremlin hides and runs from any conflict, as it feels its weakness in the absence of unity of power, the leading party and the people.

    For some reason, too, when reading such words, I desperately want to send the author, his relatives, friends to knead the November dirt into the trenches, or wait out the winter cold from the dugouts!
    Yes, these lovers of great upheavals for the country have already got it with or without! It feels like they are sleeping with a saber under their combat sofa!
    Give Russia at least a couple of decades of peace to concentrate forces and develop!

    That is, thirty years was not enough, two dozen more are needed? To finally tear apart what is left of a great power? Just half a century. From what office in the Kremlin are you writing this? Or from Courchevel? sad
    1. -1
      16 November 2020 21: 31
      Quote: Radikal
      That is, thirty years was not enough, two dozen more are needed?


      Of these 30 years, we were falling apart economically for 15 years, and the army was falling apart until 2008 (that same August 2008 when it became clear that there was no way forward without modernizing the army). The real rearmament took place less than 8 years ago. To understand this, you don’t need to be a “best student”, but just look at the share of modern weapons in the Russian troops by year.
      For example, in 2013, the share of modern weapons in the Russian army was only 16%. And with such junk, are you planning to seize Ukraine? The lesson of Karabakh is the same for everyone and is that you cannot start a modern war with weapons from the last war in your hands.
      1. -4
        16 November 2020 22: 47
        Germany, after a severe defeat in ww2, by the mid-50s!, 10 years later it not only cleared away the ruins, but became the leading world economy. Japan is the same. And we still have a mantra: the turbulent 90s and population decline due to the war.
      2. 0
        17 November 2020 08: 20
        Offhand, over about 10 years, the Russian Air Force has delivered about 400 multirole fighters and 35 air defense missile systems, for example. By the beginning of this year, 2300 small-class drones were purchased for the Armed Forces to solve reconnaissance and control tasks.
  67. 0
    16 November 2020 21: 00
    [quote=tagil][quote]Then why are you moaning that you should fight?[/quote] War is my profession, and as a military man I cannot refuse to fight, after all, I was taught this. [quote] Is the letter “A” in the word TNT in your previous comment the result of your professional studies, or just a typo?
  68. +1
    16 November 2020 21: 21
    The heroism of Russian soldiers and sailors did not evoke any positive response in Russian society; among students, on the contrary, only criticism.
    - it was not the heroism of the soldiers and sailors that caused criticism, but the actions of the command (with a few exceptions) and the government...
  69. +2
    16 November 2020 21: 26
    Quote: rocket757
    Some people want to rest against their capabilities ...
    We have some possibilities, fortunately, Wishlist does not go beyond the reasonable ...
    I do not consider our top ones to be the most, the most, but .... "play" against us is not kids, very serious guys, moreover, rabid enemies !!!
    In general, it is necessary to prepare more thoroughly .... giveaway is not played, but it does not run into time.
    Enemies, really, more ... this is not forever, and finally, we are no stranger to, BREAK!

    What do you mean when you say “they play against us” - football, hockey? They are fighting against us, albeit with very specific, non-military means, but nevertheless we are already losing this war. And with you - we’ll break through, Spartak (Zenit, CSKA, Dynamo - who else is there?) - champion! sad
  70. +1
    16 November 2020 21: 56
    Quote: lopvlad
    Quote: Radikal
    That is, thirty years was not enough, two dozen more are needed?


    Of these 30 years, we were falling apart economically for 15 years, and the army was falling apart until 2008 (that same August 2008 when it became clear that there was no way forward without modernizing the army). The real rearmament took place less than 8 years ago. To understand this, you don’t need to be a “best student”, but just look at the share of modern weapons in the Russian troops by year.
    For example, in 2013, the share of modern weapons in the Russian army was only 16%. And with such junk, are you planning to seize Ukraine? The lesson of Karabakh is the same for everyone and is that you cannot start a modern war with weapons from the last war in your hands.

    I somehow didn’t understand your main message, and arithmetic - don’t worry, I’ve become slow-witted in my old age. As for your last phrase, it is banal; military school cadets learn about this in their first year, during orientation lectures. hi
  71. +1
    16 November 2020 22: 08
    then he tries to “resolve”, “stabilize” the situation
    Do you want blood and unrest?
    As for the economy, I see that everyone is in poverty, eating the last horseradish without salt. There's nowhere to park. There are only Cayennes and BMW X5/6s on the sidewalks. And this is not even in Moscow.
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  74. +2
    16 November 2020 22: 32
    The author clearly does not understand the situation. Karabakh is a pure provocation. The defenders of Karabakh have become a bargaining chip in the dirty game of the United States against Russia. But they don’t do that to the “weak”. Before that, I tried my hand at Ossetia, then in Ukraine, and now in Karabakh. The enemies are waiting for Russia to make a mistake and mess things up, and then tell their people that they say, look. We are good, they are evil. It used to work easier, but now in the age of the Internet, more convincing evidence is needed. Although for some people a test tube is enough.
  75. +2
    16 November 2020 22: 35
    Alexander, thank you very much for the article.
    If I may, some questions.

    V.V. Putin has been avoiding confrontation for 20 years

    Introduction of troops into Georgia.
    Referendum in Crimea.
    The decision to send troops to Syria.

    Is it conflict avoidance?
    Then describe an example of non-avoidance.

    There is no victory, just as there is no obvious defeat

    How do you see winning scenarios?
    1. +2
      17 November 2020 07: 35
      Quote: Alexander Vorontsov
      How do you see winning scenarios?

      I would venture to guess: the Russian flag is over Istanbul, in Syria east of the Euphrates there are endless fields of killed American patrols mixed with Kurds, instead of Idlib there is a large crater, a land border with Crimea and Kaliningrad, Hokkaido is ours... This is what the author will like.
    2. -4
      17 November 2020 08: 56
      Introduction of troops into Georgia.

      This successful company was led by Medvedev
  76. +3
    16 November 2020 22: 36
    Hello another lazhe from Samsonov.
  77. -2
    16 November 2020 22: 36
    The Russian Federation is a colossus with feet of clay. It is no longer possible to hide this fact. Potential partners already seem to suspect something.
  78. 0
    16 November 2020 23: 01
    Half the country is full of biggies who paid off the army and, what’s most interesting, are in senior positions in all spheres of the economy and life. What will happen if a war starts, they will pay off again?
  79. +2
    16 November 2020 23: 10
    And when was Russia (RF, USSR) ready for war? The world does not stand still and spheres of influence are periodically subject to redistribution - legs need to be stretched over clothes. Russia has weakened: physically, intellectually, industrially, technologically. Sad but true. “When we sit down to play by someone else’s rules,” which, moreover, during the course of the game the “partners” change in their favor, we are guaranteed to lose. Hundreds of billions of money are being transferred abroad, the best “brains” are flowing there, the people, especially the state-forming Russians, are dying out. In addition, national minorities are slowly separating themselves within their “republic-states,” where each, to the best of its strength and ability, is slowly forging its future independence. And our multinational, nationless federal government “goes with the flow” with Olympic calm, observing the change in the national and demographic landscape of the country,
    also rejoicing at the tens and hundreds of thousands of poorly educated migrants from other civilizations, since acting in the paradigm of liberal democratic values ​​is not able to radically change anything! So the problems are deep and systemic in nature and are not at all limited to those external manifestations about which the author of the article writes.
  80. -2
    16 November 2020 23: 24
    After Putin did not dare to “enter” Ukraine in 2014 (although such plans were discussed at the highest level), the West and Turkey realized that Russia is weak, and the Russian leadership is not ready to take risks beyond its own borders. After this, a massive information onslaught began on Russia and the imposition of sanctions on it. Not to mention the transfer of American armored vehicles to Eastern European countries closer to the Russian borders, which can be considered as preparation for a local war with Russia (for example, in Ukraine or Transnistria).
  81. -1
    16 November 2020 23: 36
    Today everything is repeating itself. The lessons of history have not been learned.

    I remember the Ipatiev method
  82. +3
    16 November 2020 23: 41
    ahahahaha))) great historian, terrible Scythian-Tartarian Samsonov.... nothing more to add - no comments. This man's articles are just for laughs
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  84. +2
    17 November 2020 00: 57
    Armenia lost, but for some reason Russia is not ready for war? The conclusion is strange.
    There is no doubt that society is not ready to mobilize all forces like the Great Patriotic War. But such a war is not on the horizon. And Russia has enough strength to hit Turkey in the nose
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  86. -2
    17 November 2020 01: 41
    Well done, well said...
  87. +4
    17 November 2020 01: 51
    The author is smoking something intoxicating... I haven’t read such nonsense for a long time. The parallels with 1917 are overwhelming, and in general in the text....
    Not everything is good in the kingdom of Denmark, but the author of this scribble is simply hysterical out of nowhere. The conclusions come out of the nose... It’s just that the whole article is calla lilies))))) there are no words to describe this shameful excrement on the readers’ heads.....
    1. -1
      17 November 2020 01: 58
      I agree only with regard to the separation of the people. I personally am not going to die for the material benefits of Vasilyeva, the Rotenbergs, the Grefs, etc.
      For example Donbass. How many sons of the fatherland laid down their lives in this war? And for what? What's going on there now? It’s the same as everywhere else: bureaucrats take off their discounts at the feeding trough and the common people barely survive. Pension for grandmothers 1500 rubles, salary 5000 rubles. Etc. no social justice or anything at all. Vague prospects for entering back into Ukraine.....
  88. -1
    17 November 2020 04: 03
    All of this is a failure of foreign policy, and what results can there be!? when the entire “top” is focused on stealing something else in this country and fooling the people!?
  89. +1
    17 November 2020 04: 33
    This is where I doubt it... rather the AUTHOR is not ready to expose his ass! and go to war not with a pen but with your hands! but our people are simple)) the time will come and everyone who is adequate will stand up to arms! so... the author don't get too excited! and learn to shoot!
  90. +3
    17 November 2020 06: 51
    A custom article not related to military analytics, which only adds disadvantages to the resource’s rating.
  91. +3
    17 November 2020 07: 02
    It's funny, but the author hears and reads only himself. There are no real allies ready to act together with Russia. The CSTO members clearly count only on the assistance of the Russian Armed Forces. The West does not hide the fact that it sets the task of exhausting it with various conflicts, bleeding it dry, squandering resources and taking it with little blood.
  92. 0
    17 November 2020 08: 12
    Is that you Samsonov? I was pleasantly surprised by the article, for the first time I agree with you)
  93. +3
    17 November 2020 08: 39
    This nonsense again. The author himself is unlikely to be able to explain what Russia should have achieved in 2008. Occupy Georgia or something? As a result, 5 days of shootings, Georgia was forever thrown out of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, Russian military bases were established.

    Or what Russia should have achieved in 2014? Occupy the remnants of Ukraine? Can I ask a simple question, why? To feed a population that will feel deprived of a bright European future? To continuously send home boys in 200 loads due to permanent terrorist attacks? Until the Little Russians themselves understand that without Russia they will have an eternal bloody circus and start beating people in the face for their language, Russia has nothing to do there. In fact, the loyal population has been leaving for Russia since the collapse of the Union. Who is there to free? Of course, I feel sorry for the old people who didn’t have time to get out of there in due time, but they should have thought earlier.

    Result: without corpses, the most important territory in the form of Crimea was obtained, and even with its 2.5 million population after 20+ years of ukrovlast there are problems, especially with officials. The most developed regions were cut off from Ukraine and were actually annexed to Russia (documents, money, etc.).

    Or maybe motorized rifle brigades should have been sent to Syria while healthy Syrian men sat in cafes or hid in Europe? In fact, the war there was won long ago, if not for the United States and Turkey, Idlib would not have been left unturned long ago. So now start a world war there? Or maybe in Libya you can harness someone’s power? For whom? There, Fly Agaric was not a figure worth saving. And gangs can sit in Idlib for at least 20 years, as long as they don’t interfere with rebuilding the rest of the country. But most likely they will simply stop supporting them, or they will be taken somewhere else.

    About the new Turkish empire is simply nonsense. Erdogan can dream about anything. In Poland they also dream of a great Poland from sea to sea, I’m only afraid that if something happens, Poland will most likely have to return Stalin’s gifts to Germany.

    The author clearly needs to have a new WWII in scale. Then we will definitely live.
  94. -2
    17 November 2020 08: 46
    Russia has flirted too much with Turkey and Azerbaijan! That is why such a situation has developed near our borders! They regarded this as weakness and unwillingness to fight for their territories! But they are quite ready to shoot down our planes and helicopters with impunity! Before it’s too late, we need to draw conclusions and act tough with our potential opponents (enemies)!
  95. +2
    17 November 2020 08: 54
    Crimea is approaching (fortunately Ankara did not recognize Crimea as Russian)
    author, please explain the word BLAG....... am
  96. +1
    17 November 2020 09: 01
    Quote: Alexander Nikiforov_3
    Gromyko said...

    That's right.
    They only understand the language of power.
    Our politicians are so sure that the policy of “deep concern” is the best that Russia can do in the international arena.
    The interests of our Motherland were wasted wherever possible (except Syria).
    But the former republics of the USSR are even worse.
    Georgians (who do not have time to escape to Moscow) will soon be converted into Muslim Turks.
    Azerbaijanis will be content with the position of “younger brother”.
    The Armenians will be doomed to wander, like the Jews.
    All this disgrace will end with a showdown: which of them is the more native Muscovite: Georgian, Armenian or Azerbaijani?
  97. +3
    17 November 2020 09: 24
    Contra author and provocateur! What kind of person do you have to be to call for hostilities, sacrifices, destruction, when the conflict can be resolved through negotiations? (you can ban me for insults).
  98. -2
    17 November 2020 09: 40
    I think that, apart from rocket science, Russia is inferior in all respects and, as usual, for many years. They only show and tell us beautifully in the media.
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  100. 0
    17 November 2020 10: 00
    It’s not Rus' that has settled in the Kremlin..... sidelocks, sidelocks are fluttering....... the bloody commissars in leather jackets have not gone away..... soon the bloody Elkind sofkas will come out